Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)

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Poll ended at Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:00 pm

Rafa
0
No votes
Tsitsipas
0
No votes
Ruud
1
10%
Medvedev
2
20%
Fritz
1
10%
Rublev
0
No votes
FAA
2
20%
Novak
4
40%
Rune
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 10

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Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)

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Fritz will be in the conversation once Novak finally retires. It is not as if he is considerably worse than FAA, for example.
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Fritz is a good B level player..the game needs people like him..
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ashkor87 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 2:12 am Roddick was a great player..he should have could have won Wimbledon..Fritz is just another big hitting, slow-moving player in the Querrey class..not even Isner..
What??? I’m sorry, but this assessment has no basis in reality.
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ponchi101 wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:56 pm I agree with you except for the prize money. For him, that stopped being a motivation a long time ago.
The prize money for going undefeated is an ATP record for one event - I think that might mean something to him.
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It's not chump change, sure. But he has over $150MM only in prize money. I believe he has other motivations. Tying Roger in most YEC means more to him (I would say).
Anyway, mute points by now. He simply wins when he wants to. It has gotten to be that simple.

BTW. Side question. Is he the best server IN THE TOP TEN? Goran has really helped him with that stroke, in the last years.
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He played different tennis vs Rublev than vs Novak.
Yesterday he was unloading on the FH. Today he did not.
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ti-amie wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:47 pm
That ^ also shows that Ruud does not truly believe he can beat a top player like Djokovic. And believing you can win is so very important in a sport like tennis.
First, you must believe you CAN win. Then you must believe you WILL win.
There's a huge difference between hoping you can win and believing you will win.

In reference to the money that Djokovic won here - of course it is both insane and obscene. As is always the case with people who have far more money than they can possibly spend, the money itself means nothing to Djokovic - but the STATUS that comes with winning more than anyone else does mean something.
Status, unfortunately, is a very valuable commodity to people today, for it inflates the ego, which tells them - on a very superficial level, of course - that they are 'better' than other people.

Well... I picked the winner of the women's year end championship, and the finalist of the men's year end championship. Not bad, really.
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ponchi101 wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:59 pm You posted a similar post in the RANKINGS topic, and I answered there.
So, copy paste here ;) :

I will bet you two dog-chewed balls Novak won't win ;)
Paris is a court that favors him a lot, and yet he could not win. To me, the problem now for Rafa and Novak is the recovery time; if they have one tough match, specially a late one, they don't have the time to come back. It is the reason they are still so dominant at Slams (with the days-off schedule) but have come down to earth, slightly, on the regular tour.
Having said that:
Rafa: won't win. Not his place.
Tsitsipas: As good a chance as anybody else.
Ruud. Not his favorite surface.
Medvedev: Good chances. He likes indoor fast.
FAA: very good chances. He LOVES indoor fast.
Rublev: The one guy that should withdraw so that Rune can get in. Zero chance.
Novak: Contradicting myself here. Betting against him seldom pays off.
Fritz: good fast court player, has some very good strokes, then he fizzles. Or Fritzzles?
Rune: He would not win it; but he would not go 0-3.
Hmm...
Betting against me is ok but betting against Djokovic?!
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JTContinental wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:21 pm
ashkor87 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 2:12 am Roddick was a great player..he should have could have won Wimbledon..Fritz is just another big hitting, slow-moving player in the Querrey class..not even Isner..
What??? I’m sorry, but this assessment has no basis in reality.
Not sure what you mean..I watched Roddick's Wimbledon losses and I have watched Fritz..good enough for me. What is 'reality'? For me, the evidence of my eyes is reality.Please explain.
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Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)

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ashkor87 wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:18 am
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:59 pm You posted a similar post in the RANKINGS topic, and I answered there.
So, copy paste here ;) :

I will bet you two dog-chewed balls Novak won't win ;)
Paris is a court that favors him a lot, and yet he could not win. To me, the problem now for Rafa and Novak is the recovery time; if they have one tough match, specially a late one, they don't have the time to come back. It is the reason they are still so dominant at Slams (with the days-off schedule) but have come down to earth, slightly, on the regular tour.
Having said that:
Rafa: won't win. Not his place.
Tsitsipas: As good a chance as anybody else.
Ruud. Not his favorite surface.
Medvedev: Good chances. He likes indoor fast.
FAA: very good chances. He LOVES indoor fast.
Rublev: The one guy that should withdraw so that Rune can get in. Zero chance.
Novak: Contradicting myself here. Betting against him seldom pays off.
Fritz: good fast court player, has some very good strokes, then he fizzles. Or Fritzzles?
Rune: He would not win it; but he would not go 0-3.
Hmm...
Betting against me is ok but betting against Djokovic?!
Will never learn my lesson ;)
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