by ti-amie Tournament: BNP Paribas Open
Location: Indian Wells, California, United States
Dates: March 8 - March 19, 2023
Level: WTA 1000
Total Financial Commitment: $8,800,000
Surface: Hard
Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Iga Swiatek 1 1
2 Aryna Sabalenka 2 2
3 Ons Jabeur 3 3
4 Jessica Pegula 4 4
5 Caroline Garcia 5 5
6 Coco Gauff 6 6
7 Maria Sakkari 7 7
8 Daria Kasatkina 8 8
9 Belinda Bencic 9 9
10 Elena Rybakina 10 10
11 Veronika Kudermetova 11 11
12 Beatriz Haddad Maia 12 14
13 Petra Kvitova 13 13
14 Jelena Ostapenko 14 12
15 Liudmila Samsonova 15 19
16 Victoria Azarenka 17 16
17 Ekaterina Alexandrova 18 17
18 Karolina Pliskova 19 20
19 Paula Badosa 20 21
20 Magda Linette 21 22
21 Shuai Zhang 22 23
22 Madison Keys 23 24
23 Qinwen Zheng 24 29
24 Martina Trevisan 25 25
25 Marie Bouzkova 26 26
26 Anett Kontaveit 27 18
27 Jil Teichmann 28 28
28 Barbora Krejcikova 29 30
29 Petra Martic 30 34
30 Anastasia Potapova 31 44
31 Donna Vekic 32 33
32 Anhelina Kalinina 33 31
Amanda Anisimova 35 36
Bianca Andreescu 36 37
Elise Mertens 37 32
Irina-Camelia Begu 38 27
Leylah Fernandez 39 39
Sloane Stephens 40 40
Lin Zhu 41 41
Danielle Collins 42 42
Yulia Putintseva 43 45
Aliaksandra Sasnovich 44 38
Bernarda Pera 45 43
Shelby Rogers 46 46
Katerina Siniakova 47 47
Kaia Kanepi 48 48
Lauren Davis 49 49
Linda Noskova 50 50
Alycia Parks 51 51
Linda Fruhvirtova 52 52
Mayar Sherif 53 53
Elisabetta Cocciaretto 54 54
Marta Kostyuk 55 57
Anna Kalinskaya 56 55
Claire Liu 57 56
Alison Riske-Amritraj 58 58
Alizé Cornet 60 60
Camila Osorio 61 61
Xiyu Wang 62 62
Danka Kovinic 63 64
Jasmine Paolini 64 65
Lucia Bronzetti 65 66
Xinyu Wang 67 69
Camila Giorgi 68 73
Jule Niemeier 69 71
Sorana Cirstea 70 63
Anna Blinkova 71 67
Tatjana Maria 72 70
Alison Van Uytvanck 73 76
Marketa Vondrousova 74 32 (SR)
Rebecca Marino 75 74
Ana Bogdan 76 72
Anna Bondar 77 75
Karolina Muchova 123 22 (SR)
Evgeniya Rodina 430 73 (SR)
Patricia Maria Tig 692 65 (SR)
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Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Maryna Zanevska 78 77
2 Nuria Parrizas Diaz 80 79
3 Emma Raducanu 82 80
4 Tamara Korpatsch 83 81
5 Madison Brengle 81 82
6 Garbiñe Muguruza 86 83
7 Varvara Gracheva 84 84
8 Taylor Townsend 126 84 (SR)
9 Kateryna Baindl 87 85
10 Viktorija Golubic 88 86
11 Cristina Bucsa 89 87
12 Tereza Martincova 98 88
13 Julia Grabher 90 90
14 Kristina Kucova 343 90 (SR)
15 Caty Mcnally 94 91
16 Dalma Galfi 85 92
17 Anna Karolina Schmiedlova 91 93
18 Diana Shnaider 92 94
19 Panna Udvardy 93 95
20 Ysaline Bonaventure 96 96
Withdrawals
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
Jaqueline Cristian 232 65 (SR)
by ti-amie Tournament: BNP Paribas Open
Location: Indian Wells, CA, U.S.A.
Dates: March 08 - March19 2023
Tier: ATP M1000
Surface: Hard
Prize Money: $8,800,000
Total Financial Commitment: $10,143,750
Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Novak Djokovic 1 1
2 Carlos Alcaraz 2 2
3 Stefanos Tsitsipas 3 3
4 Casper Ruud 4 4
5 Andrey Rublev 5 5
6 Rafael Nadal 6 6
7 Taylor Fritz 7 8
8 Felix Auger-Aliassime 8 7
9 Holger Rune 9 9
10 Hubert Hurkacz 10 10
11 Daniil Medvedev 11 12
12 Cameron Norrie 12 11
13 Karen Khachanov 13 13
14 Jannik Sinner 14 17
15 Frances Tiafoe 15 14
16 Pablo Carreno Busta 16 15
17 Alexander Zverev 17 16
18 Tommy Paul 18 19
19 Nick Kyrgios 19 20
20 Lorenzo Musetti 20 18
21 Borna Coric 21 23
22 Marin Cilic 22 21
23 Matteo Berrettini 23 22
24 Roberto Bautista Agut 24 24
25 Alex de Minaur 25 25
26 Sebastian Korda 26 26
27 Denis Shapovalov 27 27
28 Grigor Dimitrov 28 29
29 Daniel Evans 29 30
30 Francisco Cerundolo 30 31
31 Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 31 32
32 Diego Schwartzman 32 28
Miomir Kecmanovic 33 33
Yoshihito Nishioka 34 34
Botic van de Zandschulp 35 35
Sebastian Baez 36 47
John Isner 37 39
Jack Draper 38 38
J.J. Wolf 39 43
Maxime Cressy 40 51
David Goffin 41 40
Ben Shelton 42 41
Jenson Brooksby 43 36
Albert Ramos-Vinolas 44 54
Richard Gasquet 45 45
Brandon Nakashima 46 46
Marc-Andrea Huesler 47 49
Benjamin Bonzi 48 42
Federico Coria 49 67
Alexander Bublik 50 50
Alex Molcan 51 52
Emil Ruusuvuori 52 53
Jiri Lehecka 53 37
Constant Lestienne 54 48
Marcos Giron 55 55
Mackenzie McDonald 56 59
Laslo Djere 57 62
Adrian Mannarino 59 63
Lorenzo Sonego 60 56
Tallon Griekspoor 61 57
Quentin Halys 62 70
Soonwoo Kwon 63 60
Arthur Rinderknech 64 68
Corentin Moutet 65 64
Fabio Fognini 66 58
Jaume Munar 67 65
Pedro Cachin 68 66
Filip Krajinovic 69 71
Andy Murray 70 61
Gregoire Barrere 71 75
Mikael Ymer 72 73
Pedro Martinez 73 72
Marton Fucsovics 75 69
Ilya Ivashka 77 74
Reilly Opelka 81 44
Stan Wawrinka 130 22 (PR)
Gael Monfils 210 35 (PR)
Kyle Edmund 546 48 (PR)
Guido Pella 723 75 (PR)
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Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Bernabe Zapata Miralles 74 76
2 Roberto Carballes Baena 76 77
3 Thiago Monteiro 78 78
4 Jason Kubler 79 79
5 Oscar Otte 80 80
6 Tomas Martin Etcheverry 82 81
7 Roman Safiullin 83 82
8 Daniel Elahi Galan 85 83
9 Jordan Thompson 93 84
10 Ugo Humbert 86 85
11 Michael Mmoh 87 86
12 Nikoloz Basilashvili 84 87
13 Facundo Bagnis 88 88
14 Jeremy Chardy 628 88 (PR)
15 Dusan Lajovic 90 89
16 Alexei Popyrin 91 90
17 Zhizhen Zhang 92 91
18 Denis Kudla 95 92
19 Marco Cecchinato 89 93
20 Christopher O'Connell 96 94
by ti-amie Qualifying Entry Lists - ATP
Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Yibing Wu 58 58
2 Bernabe Zapata Miralles 74 74
3 Roberto Carballes Baena 76 76
4 Thiago Monteiro 78 78
5 Jason Kubler 79 79
6 Oscar Otte 80 80
7 Roman Safiullin 83 83
8 Nikoloz Basilashvili 84 84
9 Daniel Elahi Galan 85 85
10 Ugo Humbert 86 86
11 Michael Mmoh 87 87
12 Dusan Lajovic 90 90
13 Alexei Popyrin 91 91
14 Zhizhen Zhang 92 92
15 Jordan Thompson 93 93
16 Emilio Gomez 94 94
17 Denis Kudla 95 95
18 Christopher O'Connell 96 96
19 Cristian Garin 100 100
20 Christopher Eubanks 102 102
21 Nuno Borges 104 104
22 Taro Daniel 106 106
23 Francesco Passaro 108 108
24 Matteo Arnaldi 109 109
Vasek Pospisil 111 111
Yosuke Watanuki 112 112
Radu Albot 113 113
Alexander Shevchenko 114 114
Tomas Machac 115 115
Rinky Hijikata 116 116
Steve Johnson 118 118
Aleksandar Kovacevic 122 122
Pavel Kotov 126 126
Leandro Riedi 128 128
James Duckworth 138 138
John Millman 139 139
Thanasi Kokkinakis 141 141
Joao Sousa 142 142
Jack Sock 143 143
Borna Gojo 145 145
Filip Misolic 146 146
Bradley Klahn 764 145 (PR)
Yuichi Sugita 807 142 (PR)
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Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Ryan Peniston 147 147
2 Alejandro Tabilo 148 148
3 Mattia Bellucci 149 149
4 Geoffrey Blancaneaux 150 150
5 Maximilian Marterer 154 154
6 Jan-Lennard Struff 156 156
7 Lloyd Harris 157 157
8 Manuel Guinard 161 161
9 Elias Ymer 163 163
10 Felipe Meligeni Alves 164 164
11 Juncheng Shang 165 165
12 Pablo Andujar 168 168
13 Flavio Cobolli 170 170
14 Aleksandar Vukic 171 171
15 Tung-Lin Wu 172 172
16 Alexandre Muller 173 173
17 Laurent Lokoli 175 175
18 Vit Kopriva 180 180
19 Enzo Couacaud 183 183
20 Emilio Nava 184 184
by ti-amie Qualifying Entry Lists - WTA
Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Maryna Zanevska 78 78
2 Nuria Parrizas Diaz 79 80
3 Madison Brengle 80 81
4 Tamara Korpatsch 82 83
5 Dalma Galfi 83 85
6 Kateryna Baindl 84 87
7 Viktorija Golubic 85 88
8 Cristina Bucsa 86 89
9 Anna Karolina Schmiedlova 88 91
10 Varvara Gracheva 89 84
11 Diana Shnaider 90 92
12 Panna Udvardy 91 93
13 Caty Mcnally 92 94
14 Rebeka Masarova 93 95
15 Ysaline Bonaventure 95 96
16 Katie Volynets 96 97
17 Kamilla Rakhimova 97 114
18 Tereza Martincova 98 98
19 Lesia Tsurenko 100 101
20 Laura Pigossi 102 103
21 Magdalena Frech 104 104
22 Clara Burel 105 105
23 Sara Errani 106 106
24 Anna-Lena Friedsam 107 107
Leolia Jeanjean 108 108
Harriet Dart 111 109
Kaja Juvan 114 112
Diane Parry 115 111
Arantxa Rus 116 115
Eva Lys 117 116
Reka Luca Jani 118 117
Dayana Yastremska 122 99
Simona Waltert 124 122
Marina Bassols Ribera 126 125
Taylor Townsend 127 126
Lucrezia Stefanini 128 127
Viktoria Kuzmova 129 129
Laura Siegemund 130 130
Jodie Burrage 131 131
Ylena In-Albon 132 133
Erika Andreeva 136 132
Olga Danilovic 142 130 (SR)
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Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Emma Navarro 134 134
2 Coco Vandeweghe 135 135
3 Kimberly Birrell 133 136
4 Peyton Stearns 137 137
5 Nao Hibino 138 138
6 Katie Swan 139 139
7 Rebecca Peterson 140 140
8 Katie Boulter 141 141
9 Elena-Gabriela Ruse 164 143
10 Ana Konjuh 143 145
11 Katarina Zavatska 280 145 (SR)
12 Su Jeong Jang 145 146
13 Daria Snigur 159 147
14 Mirjam Bjorklund 152 148
15 Aliona Bolsova 146 149
16 Elizabeth Mandlik 154 150
17 Heather Watson 148 151
18 Kristina Mladenovic 149 152
19 Oksana Selekhmeteva 150 153
20 Despina Papamichail 151 155
Withdrawals
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
Garbiñe Muguruza 87 86
Eugenie Bouchard 317 118 (SR)
by ti-amie Doubles Entry Lists - WTA
Entries
Seed* Names Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Barbora Krejcikova / Katerina Siniakova 4 4
2 Jessica Pegula / Coco Gauff 6 6
3 Elise Mertens / Storm Hunter 20 20
4 Lyudmyla Kichenok / Jelena Ostapenko 21 21
5 Zhaoxuan Yang / Yifan Xu 25 25
6 Demi Schuurs / Desirae Krawczyk 27 27
7 Giuliana Olmos / Shuai Zhang 30 30
8 Ellen Perez / Nicole Melichar-Martinez 35 35
Luisa Stefani / Gabriela Dabrowski 36 36
Shuko Aoyama / Ena Shibahara 39 39
Laura Siegemund / Beatriz Haddad Maia 50 50
Asia Muhammad / Anna Danilina 52 52
Marta Kostyuk / Elena-Gabriela Ruse 74 74
Miyu Kato / Aldila Sutjiadi 74 74
Monica Niculescu / Alicja Rosolska 78 78
Alexa Guarachi / Erin Routliffe 82 82
Kimberley Zimmermann / Anna Bondar 85 85
Caroline Dolehide / Madison Keys 94 94
Makoto Ninomiya / Ulrikke Eikeri 95 95
Yana Sizikova / Eri Hozumi 97 97
Alycia Parks / Alexandra Panova 102 102
Latisha Chan / Hao-Ching Chan 106 106
Marketa Vondrousova / Miriam Kolodziejova 136 106
Bethanie Mattek-Sands / Kirsten Flipkens 339 53
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Names Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Caty Mcnally / Anna Kalinskaya 107 107
2 Natela Dzalamidze / Oksana Kalashnikova 111 111
3 Olivia Nicholls / Alicia Barnett 126 126
4 Sabrina Santamaria / Kaitlyn Christian 132 132
5 Angela Kulikov / Sophie Chang 138 138
6 Xinyun Han / Lidziya Marozava 139 139
7 Marie Bouzkova / Magda Linette 144 144
8 Panna Udvardy / Alizé Cornet 157 157
9 Ingrid Neel / Catherine Harrison 170 170
10 Ingrid Martins / Andrea Gamiz 187 187
by ti-amie Doubles Entry Lists - ATP
Entries
Seed* Names Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Wesley Koolhof / Neal Skupski 4 4
2 Rajeev Ram / Joe Salisbury 5 5
3 Marcelo Arevalo / Jean-Julien Rojer 10 10
4 Nikola Mektic / Mate Pavic 15 15
5 Ivan Dodig / Austin Krajicek 19 19
6 Lloyd Glasspool / Harri Heliovaara 23 23
7 Marcel Granollers / Horacio Zeballos 31 31
8 Hugo Nys / Jan Zielinski 35 35
Jamie Murray / Michael Venus 47 47
Juan Sebastian Cabal / Robert Farah 48 48
Rohan Bopanna / Matthew Ebden 54 54
Rafael Matos / David Vega Hernandez 54 54
Santiago Gonzalez / Edouard Roger-Vasselin 58 58
Rinky Hijikata / Jason Kubler 61 61
Kevin Krawietz / Fabrice Martin 63 63
John Isner / Jack Sock 64 64
Simone Bolelli / Fabio Fognini 69 69
Daniel Evans / John Peers 114 64
Matwe Middelkoop / Botic van de Zandschulp 178 56
Marcelo Melo / Alexander Zverev 186 57
Lucas Miedler / Cameron Norrie 218 69
Grigor Dimitrov / Hubert Hurkacz 226 36
Taylor Fritz / Tommy Paul 279 28
Karen Khachanov / Andrey Rublev 386 19
Holger Rune / Ben Shelton 519 52
Frances Tiafoe / Stan Wawrinka 682 37
Felix Auger-Aliassime / Sebastian Korda 1230 35
Roberto Bautista Agut / Pablo Carreno Busta - 45
Casper Ruud / Dominic Thiem - 10
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Names Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Francisco Cerundolo / Maximo Gonzalez 278 72
2 Alex de Minaur / Mackenzie McDonald 290 72
3 Gonzalo Escobar / Yoshihito Nishioka 335 77
4 Andres Molteni / Diego Schwartzman 155 80
5 Alexander Bublik / Miomir Kecmanovic 350 80
6 Jannik Sinner / Lorenzo Sonego 1221 83
7 Ilya Ivashka / Daniil Medvedev - 87
8 Nathaniel Lammons / Jackson Withrow 94 94
9 Sander Gille / Joran Vliegen 99 99
by Deuce Regarding the WTA doubles...
It's nice to see Gaby Dabrowski back with Luisa Stefani - tough to just miss out on a seeding, though...
I hope Caty McNally gets in (with Kalinskaya) - they should get a WildCard. Caty's a very good doubles player, and after losing Gauff as a partner, hasn't had a long-term, reliable partner. She's also been focussing more on her singles than before (with mixed results).
I'd have thought that Caty could have paired up with Mertens, who is also a very good doubles player, and who has had 4 different partners in the past 4 years - Sabalenka, Su Wei Hsieh, Kudermatova, and now Storm Hunter (Sanders).
by ti-amie UPDATED MD Singles Entry List - ATP
Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Novak Djokovic 1 1
2 Carlos Alcaraz 2 2
3 Stefanos Tsitsipas 3 3
4 Casper Ruud 4 4
5 Taylor Fritz 5 8
6 Andrey Rublev 6 5
7 Daniil Medvedev 7 12
8 Felix Auger-Aliassime 9 7
9 Holger Rune 10 9
10 Hubert Hurkacz 11 10
11 Cameron Norrie 12 11
12 Jannik Sinner 13 17
13 Karen Khachanov 14 13
14 Frances Tiafoe 15 14
15 Alexander Zverev 16 16
16 Pablo Carreno Busta 17 15
17 Lorenzo Musetti 18 18
18 Borna Coric 20 23
19 Alex de Minaur 22 25
20 Tommy Paul 23 19
21 Matteo Berrettini 24 22
22 Grigor Dimitrov 25 29
23 Roberto Bautista Agut 27 24
24 Daniel Evans 28 30
25 Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 29 32
26 Denis Shapovalov 30 27
27 Miomir Kecmanovic 31 33
28 Francisco Cerundolo 32 31
29 Botic van de Zandschulp 33 35
30 Yoshihito Nishioka 34 34
31 Sebastian Baez 35 47
32 Maxime Cressy 36 51
Diego Schwartzman 37 28
John Isner 38 39
Tallon Griekspoor 39 57
Ben Shelton 41 41
Bernabe Zapata Miralles 42 76
Richard Gasquet 43 45
J.J. Wolf 44 43
Alexander Bublik 46 50
Jiri Lehecka 47 37
Jenson Brooksby 48 36
Brandon Nakashima 49 46
Albert Ramos-Vinolas 50 54
Marc-Andrea Huesler 51 49
Andy Murray 52 61
Jack Draper 53 38
Emil Ruusuvuori 54 53
Laslo Djere 55 62
Constant Lestienne 56 48
Alex Molcan 57 52
Federico Coria 58 67
Mikael Ymer 59 73
Gregoire Barrere 60 75
Pedro Cachin 61 66
Mackenzie McDonald 62 59
Adrian Mannarino 64 63
Jaume Munar 66 65
Lorenzo Sonego 67 56
Soonwoo Kwon 68 60
Marcos Giron 69 55
Filip Krajinovic 70 71
Jason Kubler 71 79
Arthur Rinderknech 72 68
Quentin Halys 73 70
Roberto Carballes Baena 74 77
Tomas Martin Etcheverry 76 81
Oscar Otte 78 80
Marton Fucsovics 79 69
Ilya Ivashka 80 74
Jordan Thompson 81 84
Fabio Fognini 82 58
Daniel Elahi Galan 83 83
Thiago Monteiro 84 78
Stan Wawrinka 97 22 (PR)
(WC) Dominic Thiem 99
Roman Safiullin 109 82
Pedro Martinez 117 72
Gael Monfils 208 35 (PR)
Guido Pella 732 75 (PR)
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Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Ugo Humbert 89 85
2 Michael Mmoh 86 86
3 Nikoloz Basilashvili 113 87
4 Facundo Bagnis 94 88
5 Jeremy Chardy 629 88 (PR)
6 Dusan Lajovic 75 89
7 Alexei Popyrin 98 90
8 Zhizhen Zhang 93 91
9 Denis Kudla 88 92
10 Marco Cecchinato 91 93
11 Christopher O'Connell 92 94
12 Aslan Karatsev 102
14 Yibing Wu 63 97
15 Juan Pablo Varillas 77 98*
16 Daniel Altmaier 95 99*
17 Hugo Gaston 103 101*
18 Emilio Gomez 90 102*
19 Cristian Garin 100 103*
20 Christopher Eubanks 105 104
Note: * means dual entry lists
Withdrawals
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
Rafael Nadal 8 6
Nick Kyrgios 19 20
Marin Cilic 21 21
Sebastian Korda 26 26
David Goffin 40 40
Benjamin Bonzi 45 42
Corentin Moutet 65 64
Reilly Opelka 107 44
Kyle Edmund 545 48 (PR)
by ti-amie UPDATED Qualifying Entry Lists - ATP
Entries
Seed Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Yibing Wu 63 58
2 Dusan Lajovic 75 90
3 Nuno Borges 85 104
4 Michael Mmoh 86 87
5 Denis Kudla 88 95
6 Ugo Humbert 89 86
7 Emilio Gomez 90 94
8 Christopher O'Connell 92 96
9 Zhizhen Zhang 93 92
10 Alexei Popyrin 98 91
11 Cristian Garin 100 100
12 Thanasi Kokkinakis 101 141
13 Christopher Eubanks 105 102
14 Radu Albot 106 113
15 Francesco Passaro 110 108
16 Matteo Arnaldi 111 109
17 James Duckworth 112 138
18 Nikoloz Basilashvili 113 84
19 Yosuke Watanuki 118 112
20 Alexander Shevchenko 119 114
21 Aleksandar Kovacevic 121 122
22 Rinky Hijikata 123 116
23 Taro Daniel 125 106
24 Borna Gojo 127 145
Leandro Riedi 128 128
Tomas Machac 130 115
Steve Johnson 131 118
Jan-Lennard Struff 136 156
Pavel Kotov 138 126
Filip Misolic 145 146
Joao Sousa 147 142
Mattia Bellucci 150 149
Jack Sock 154 143
Geoffrey Blancaneaux 155 150
Maximilian Marterer 156 154
Lloyd Harris 159 157
Felipe Meligeni Alves 162 164
Juncheng Shang 165 165
Elias Ymer 170 163
John Millman 185 139
Alejandro Tabilo 186 148
Bradley Klahn 768 145 (PR)
Yuichi Sugita 809 142 (PR)
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Alternates
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Pablo Andujar 251 168
2 Flavio Cobolli 166 170*
3 Aleksandar Vukic 194 171*
4 Tung-Lin Wu 163 172*
5 Alexandre Muller 146 173
6 Vit Kopriva 168 180*
7 Enzo Couacaud 196 183*
8 Emilio Nava 187 184*
9 Luciano Darderi 184 185*
10 Dalibor Svrcina 178 187
11 Alexander Ritschard 198 188*
12 Facundo Diaz Acosta 171 191*
13 Andrea Collarini 191 193*
14 Kaichi Uchida 172 195*
15 Brandon Holt 195 199
16 Antoine Escoffier 188 201
17 Facundo Mena 201 204*
18 Adrian Andreev 202 205
19 Nick Hardt 212 211*
20 Gabriel Diallo 211 214*
Withdrawals
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
Bernabe Zapata Miralles 42 74
Jason Kubler 71 79
Roberto Carballes Baena 74 76
Oscar Otte 78 80
Jordan Thompson 81 93
Daniel Elahi Galan 83 85
Thiago Monteiro 84 78
Roman Safiullin 109 83
Vasek Pospisil 139 111
by ti-amie UPDATED Doubles Entry Lists - ATP
Entries
Seed* Names Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Rajeev Ram / Joe Salisbury 3 5
2 Wesley Koolhof / Neal Skupski 6 4
3 Marcelo Arevalo / Jean-Julien Rojer 10 10
4 Nikola Mektic / Mate Pavic 15 15
5 Ivan Dodig / Austin Krajicek 19 19
6 Lloyd Glasspool / Harri Heliovaara 23 23
7 Marcel Granollers / Horacio Zeballos 29 31
8 Hugo Nys / Jan Zielinski 33 35
Juan Sebastian Cabal / Robert Farah 46 48
Rohan Bopanna / Matthew Ebden 51 54
Santiago Gonzalez / Edouard Roger-Vasselin 53 58
Jamie Murray / Michael Venus 54 47
Rafael Matos / David Vega Hernandez 55 54
Rinky Hijikata / Jason Kubler 64 61
Kevin Krawietz / Fabrice Martin 64 63
John Isner / Jack Sock 69 64
Simone Bolelli / Fabio Fognini 73 69
Daniel Evans / John Peers 115 64
Matwe Middelkoop / Botic van de Zandschulp 156 56
Marcelo Melo / Alexander Zverev 185 57
Lucas Miedler / Cameron Norrie 222 69
Grigor Dimitrov / Hubert Hurkacz 225 36
Taylor Fritz / Tommy Paul 280 28
Karen Khachanov / Andrey Rublev 387 19
Holger Rune / Ben Shelton 512 52
Frances Tiafoe / Stan Wawrinka 687 37
Roberto Bautista Agut / Pablo Carreno Busta - 45
Casper Ruud / Dominic Thiem - 10
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Names Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Francisco Cerundolo / Maximo Gonzalez 268 72
2 Alex de Minaur / Mackenzie McDonald 285 72
3 Gonzalo Escobar / Yoshihito Nishioka 333 77
4 Andres Molteni / Diego Schwartzman 135 80
5 Alexander Bublik / Miomir Kecmanovic 366 80
6 Jannik Sinner / Lorenzo Sonego 1217 83
7 Ilya Ivashka / Daniil Medvedev - 87
8 Nathaniel Lammons / Jackson Withrow 90 94
9 Sander Gille / Joran Vliegen 109 99
Withdrawals
Names Current Ranking Entry Ranking
Felix Auger-Aliassime / Sebastian Korda 1240 35
by ti-amie UPDATED MD Singles Entry Lists - WTA
Entries
Seed Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Iga Swiatek 1 1
2 Aryna Sabalenka 2 2
3 Jessica Pegula 3 4
4 Ons Jabeur 4 3
5 Caroline Garcia 5 5
6 Coco Gauff 6 6
7 Maria Sakkari 7 7
8 Daria Kasatkina 8 8
9 Belinda Bencic 9 9
10 Elena Rybakina 10 10
11 Veronika Kudermetova 11 11
12 Liudmila Samsonova 12 19
13 Beatriz Haddad Maia 13 14
14 Victoria Azarenka 14 16
15 Petra Kvitova 15 13
16 Barbora Krejcikova 16 30
17 Karolina Pliskova 17 20
18 Ekaterina Alexandrova 18 17
19 Madison Keys 20 24
20 Magda Linette 21 22
21 Paula Badosa 22 21
22 Shuai Zhang 23 23
23 Qinwen Zheng 24 29
24 Martina Trevisan 25 25
25 Jelena Ostapenko 26 12
26 Petra Martic 27 34
27 Anastasia Potapova 28 44
28 Anhelina Kalinina 29 31
29 Marie Bouzkova 30 26
30 Donna Vekic 31 33
31 Leylah Fernandez 32 39
32 Amanda Anisimova 34 36
Bianca Andreescu 35 37
Irina-Camelia Begu 36 27
Jil Teichmann 37 28
Danielle Collins 38 42
Shelby Rogers 39 46
Yulia Putintseva 40 45
Lin Zhu 41 41
Elise Mertens 42 32
Bernarda Pera 43 43
Aliaksandra Sasnovich 44 38
Katerina Siniakova 45 47
Camila Giorgi 46 73
Lauren Davis 47 49
Kaia Kanepi 48 48
Elisabetta Cocciaretto 49 54
Alycia Parks 50 51
Sloane Stephens 51 40
Marta Kostyuk 52 57
Mayar Sherif 53 53
Linda Fruhvirtova 54 52
Linda Noskova 55 50
Claire Liu 56 56
Ana Bogdan 57 72
Alison Riske-Amritraj 58 58
Xiyu Wang 59 62
Jasmine Paolini 60 65
Danka Kovinic 62 64
Xinyu Wang 65 69
Alizé Cornet 66 60
Anna Kalinskaya 67 55
Lucia Bronzetti 68 66
Jule Niemeier 69 71
Camila Osorio 70 61
Sorana Cirstea 71 63
Anna Blinkova 72 67
Tatjana Maria 73 70
Rebecca Marino 74 74
Anna Bondar 76 75
Karolina Muchova 77 22 (SR)
Nuria Parrizas Diaz 78 79
Alison Van Uytvanck 79 76
Maryna Zanevska 82 77
Marketa Vondrousova 104 32 (SR)
Evgeniya Rodina 425 73 (SR)
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1 Emma Raducanu 80 80
2 Tamara Korpatsch 81 81
3 Madison Brengle 95 82
4 Varvara Gracheva 88 84
5 Taylor Townsend 125 84 (SR)
6 Kateryna Baindl 84 85
7 Viktorija Golubic 93 86
8 Cristina Bucsa 86 87
9 Tereza Martincova 114 88
10 Julia Grabher 91 90
11 Kristina Kucova 364 90 (SR)
12 Caty Mcnally 75 91
13 Dalma Galfi 83 92
14 Anna Karolina Schmiedlova 100 93
15 Diana Shnaider 94 94
16 Ysaline Bonaventure 96 96
17 Katie Volynets 92 97
18 Kaja Juvan 132 98
19 Rebeka Masarova 90 99
20 Lesia Tsurenko 98 100
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Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
Anett Kontaveit 61 18
Jaqueline Cristian 266 65 (SR)
Patricia Maria Tig 694 65 (SR)
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Entries
Seed Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Caty Mcnally 75 94
2 Tamara Korpatsch 81 83
3 Dalma Galfi 83 85
4 Kateryna Baindl 84 87
5 Cristina Bucsa 86 89
6 Varvara Gracheva 88 84
7 Rebeka Masarova 90 95
8 Katie Volynets 92 97
9 Viktorija Golubic 93 88
10 Diana Shnaider 94 92
11 Madison Brengle 95 81
12 Ysaline Bonaventure 96 96
13 Kamilla Rakhimova 97 114
14 Lesia Tsurenko 98 101
15 Anna Karolina Schmiedlova 100 91
16 Laura Pigossi 102 103
17 Dayana Yastremska 103 99
18 Magdalena Frech 105 104
19 Clara Burel 106 105
20 Sara Errani 107 106
21 Anna-Lena Friedsam 108 107
22 Harriet Dart 110 109
23 Leolia Jeanjean 112 108
24 Diane Parry 113 111
Tereza Martincova 114 98
Kimberly Birrell 116 136
Reka Luca Jani 117 117
Lucrezia Stefanini 120 127
Eva Lys 121 116
Laura Siegemund 122 130
Simona Waltert 123 122
Marina Bassols Ribera 124 125
Taylor Townsend 125 126
Viktoria Kuzmova 128 129
Jodie Burrage 129 131
Ylena In-Albon 130 133
Kaja Juvan 132 112
Arantxa Rus 133 115
Emma Navarro 134 134
Erika Andreeva 135 132
Coco Vandeweghe 136 135
Olga Danilovic 143 130 (SR)
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1 Peyton Stearns 137 137
2 Nao Hibino 139 138
3 Katie Swan 140 139
4 Rebecca Peterson 99 140
5 Katie Boulter 142 141
6 Elena-Gabriela Ruse 160 143
7 Ana Konjuh 156 145
8 Katarina Zavatska 262 145 (SR)
9 Su Jeong Jang 141 146
10 Daria Snigur 157 147
11 Mirjam Bjorklund 151 148
12 Aliona Bolsova 148 149
13 Elizabeth Mandlik 154 150
14 Heather Watson 145 151
15 Oksana Selekhmeteva 149 153
16 Despina Papamichail 150 155
17 Maria Carle 153 156
18 Greet Minnen 192 157
19 Harmony Tan 161 158
20 Elsa Jacquemot 158 159
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Nuria Parrizas Diaz 78 80
Maryna Zanevska 82 78
Panna Udvardy 89 93
Garbiñe Muguruza 127 86
Eugenie Bouchard 318 118 (SR)
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1 Barbora Krejcikova / Katerina Siniakova 3 4
2 Jessica Pegula / Coco Gauff 8 6
3 Lyudmyla Kichenok / Jelena Ostapenko 18 21
4 Demi Schuurs / Desirae Krawczyk 22 27
5 Zhaoxuan Yang / Yifan Xu 25 25
6 Elise Mertens / Storm Hunter 27 20
7 Giuliana Olmos / Shuai Zhang 31 30
8 Ellen Perez / Nicole Melichar-Martinez 35 35
Luisa Stefani / Gabriela Dabrowski 36 36
Shuko Aoyama / Ena Shibahara 43 39
Laura Siegemund / Beatriz Haddad Maia 52 50
Asia Muhammad / Anna Danilina 54 52
Latisha Chan / Hao-Ching Chan 65 106
Miyu Kato / Aldila Sutjiadi 74 74
Marta Kostyuk / Elena-Gabriela Ruse 76 74
Monica Niculescu / Alicja Rosolska 81 78
Alexa Guarachi / Erin Routliffe 84 82
Kimberley Zimmermann / Anna Bondar 88 85
Caroline Dolehide / Madison Keys 94 94
Makoto Ninomiya / Ulrikke Eikeri 96 95
Yana Sizikova / Eri Hozumi 100 97
Alycia Parks / Alexandra Panova 112 102
Marketa Vondrousova / Miriam Kolodziejova 131 106
Bethanie Mattek-Sands / Kirsten Flipkens 215 53
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1 Caty Mcnally / Anna Kalinskaya 96 107
2 Natela Dzalamidze / Oksana Kalashnikova 113 111
3 Olivia Nicholls / Alicia Barnett 127 126
4 Sabrina Santamaria / Kaitlyn Christian 150 132
5 Angela Kulikov / Sophie Chang 139 138
6 Xinyun Han / Lidziya Marozava 161 139
7 Marie Bouzkova / Magda Linette 146 144
8 Panna Udvardy / Alizé Cornet 158 157
9 Ingrid Neel / Catherine Harrison 173 170
10 Ingrid Martins / Andrea Gamiz 186 187
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by ashkor87 if only to test the theory that the court surface/speed matters:
I would expect the following (let us see how it works out)
since IW and Miami are typically much slower than any other hard court on the planet,
1. Swiatek will dominate again
2. Sabalenka, Rybakina and Anisimova will do well - so will Badosa (though not as well)
3. Raducanu, Leylah, Garcia, Gauff and Pegula will not - the court wlll be too slow for them.
4. I would venture to guess that even Krejcikova will find conditions too slow.
I never know with Bencic - she really should not do well here but she will somehow find a way!
On the men's side, it is harder to say because of the uncertainty around Djokovic..
1. Fritz, Berretini, Alcaraz will do well
2. Medvedev, FAA and Sinner will not
any thoughts?
by Deuce Gauff, who made the Final of Roland Garros last year, and who won there as a Junior, and who generally does well on hard courts, as well, won't do well because the IW and Miami courts are too slow??
Leylah, who made the Quarter-Finals at Roland Garros last year, and only didn't make the Semis because she had a stress fracture in her foot, and who also won Roland Garros as a Junior, also won't do well because the IW and Miami courts are too slow??
Leylah doesn't care about the court speed - she's a tennis player, and if there's a tennis ball and a court, she's eager to play.
Swiatek will do well... Gee - really going out on a limb there!
But she 'wasn't supposed' to do well on the 'fast' courts of Dubai - yet she made some good players look bad there (including Leylah, who is 'supposed to' do well on fast courts, remember), and she (Swiatek) made the Final of Dubai.
Oh, well - so much for the importance of court speed again - and so much for labelling players based on court speed again...
by ponchi101 The Djokovic factor. It will depend on IF HE CAN PLAY. if he plays, he reaches the final. But since he will not get vaccinated, it is very doubtful he will be granted entry in the USA.
About court speed. Until the tournaments come up with some index, this factor is so intangible that I can't judge it. Changes of balls are much more relevant (I think). And I really don't know if IW/Miami are the slowest hard courts on the planet.
I say:
Swiatek, of course. Sabalenka and Rybakina too. Badosa has been out too long to come back and make a statement. Raducanu will get injured while lying on her hotel bed, Pegula will do fine.
The men? Medvedev is playing up to level again, FAA will not. It will be a really open tournament, with at least 10 players able to win it.
by ashkor87 trust your own eyes!
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 4:30 pm
The Djokovic factor. It will depend on IF HE CAN PLAY. if he plays, he reaches the final. But since he will not get vaccinated, it is very doubtful he will be granted entry in the USA.
About court speed. Until the tournaments come up with some index, this factor is so intangible that I can't judge it. Changes of balls are much more relevant (I think). And I really don't know if IW/Miami are the slowest hard courts on the planet.
I say:
Swiatek, of course. Sabalenka and Rybakina too. Badosa has been out too long to come back and make a statement. Raducanu will get injured while lying on her hotel bed, Pegula will do fine.
The men? Medvedev is playing up to level again, FAA will not. It will be a really open tournament, with at least 10 players able to win it.
on a slow court, Alcaraz should be favorite even if Djokovic plays...Nadal would be, but he isnt playing...I dont think 10 players can win - I can name 3, as usual - Alcaraz, Norrie and Fritz.. one of them should win.
If Djokovic plays, replace Fritz with Djokovic.
you dont need data to tell a court is slow, your eyes and ears can tell you. All of us have watched enough tennis matches to know..
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Suliso ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:21 pm
on a slow court, Alcaraz should be favorite even if Djokovic plays...Nadal would be, but he isnt playing...I dont think 10 players can win - I can name 3, as usual - Alcaraz, Norrie and Fritz.. one of them should win.
I'd be willing to be that neither of these guys will win even if Djokovic doesn't play.
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ponchi101 Suliso wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:49 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:21 pm
on a slow court, Alcaraz should be favorite even if Djokovic plays...Nadal would be, but he isnt playing...I dont think 10 players can win - I can name 3, as usual - Alcaraz, Norrie and Fritz.. one of them should win.
I'd be willing to be that neither of these guys will win even if Djokovic doesn't play.
I will.
I bet three chewed up balls that none of those will win. They could, but this is a fair bet.
About my eyes telling me how slow courts are. ALL courts are playing slower than anything we saw in the 90's. That does not mean (to me) that they are slower when compared to each other, nowadays. The speed differences are basically non-existent to me.
by JTContinental It looks like Alcaraz might not even be there
by ashkor87 Actually the irony is RG is playing faster than it used to...soon it will be faster than the USO! It is already comparable to Wimbledon..
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ashkor87 Suliso wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:49 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:21 pm
on a slow court, Alcaraz should be favorite even if Djokovic plays...Nadal would be, but he isnt playing...I dont think 10 players can win - I can name 3, as usual - Alcaraz, Norrie and Fritz.. one of them should win.
I'd be willing to be that neither of these guys will win even if Djokovic doesn't play.
Oh, I wouldn't bet even a dog-chewed ball on it - it is just an expectation..tier 2 players can never actually be relied on ! And Alcaraz may not be fit anyway...
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ashkor87 Suliso wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:49 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:21 pm
on a slow court, Alcaraz should be favorite even if Djokovic plays...Nadal would be, but he isnt playing...I dont think 10 players can win - I can name 3, as usual - Alcaraz, Norrie and Fritz.. one of them should win.
I'd be willing to be that neither of these guys will win even if Djokovic doesn't play.
Even if Alcaraz is fit?
by ti-amie I just took a peek at the MD singles entry lists for IW and there's no change - yet. It's concerning that Carlitos said he felt the discomfort in the same place he felt it before. I don't know if he'll be allowed to withdraw as late as he did for Acapulco.
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Deuce ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:24 am
I just took a peek at the MD singles entry lists for IW and there's no change - yet. It's concerning that Carlitos said he felt the discomfort in the same place he felt it before. I don't know if he'll be allowed to withdraw as late as he did for Acapulco.
Why wouldn't he be allowed to withdraw late? These players can basically do whatever they want. They shouldn't be allowed to, but they are.
Besides, if he is going to pull out of Indian Wells, maybe he has already made that decision - and in that case, it's very possible that the tournament is already aware of it, but are withholding the public announcement because... well, we know why...
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Suliso ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:12 am
Suliso wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:49 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:21 pm
on a slow court, Alcaraz should be favorite even if Djokovic plays...Nadal would be, but he isnt playing...I dont think 10 players can win - I can name 3, as usual - Alcaraz, Norrie and Fritz.. one of them should win.
I'd be willing to be that neither of these guys will win even if Djokovic doesn't play.
Even if Alcaraz is fit?
Alcaraz would be a slight favorite with no Djokovic, but really only slight. I'd not take the other two particularly serious given their recent form.
by
Deuce Suliso wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:04 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:12 am
Suliso wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:49 pm
I'd be willing to be that neither of these guys will win even if Djokovic doesn't play.
Even if Alcaraz is fit?
Alcaraz would be a slight favorite with no Djokovic, but really only slight.
I'd not take the other two particularly serious given their recent form.
?
Norrie just beat Alcaraz in the Rio Final.
Fritz just won the Delray Beach tournament.
by Suliso Actually you're right... I completely forgot about this week. In that case I upgrade their chances for sure albeit I'd still not bet any money on them winning a big tournament like IW.
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ashkor87 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:08 am
Suliso wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:49 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:21 pm
on a slow court, Alcaraz should be favorite even if Djokovic plays...Nadal would be, but he isnt playing...I dont think 10 players can win - I can name 3, as usual - Alcaraz, Norrie and Fritz.. one of them should win.
I'd be willing to be that neither of these guys will win even if Djokovic doesn't play.
Oh, I wouldn't bet even a dog-chewed ball on it - it is just an expectation..tier 2 players can never actually be relied on ! And Alcaraz may not be fit anyway...
Except Bencic, who can be relied on .also Pegula, rapidly becoming the benchmark player to define a tier 1 player..if you can beat Pegula, you may be tier 1..if you can't, you are not.
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JTContinental ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:06 am
Actually the irony is RG is playing faster than it used to...soon it will be faster than the USO! It is already comparable to Wimbledon..
???
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Wheels ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:06 am
Actually the irony is RG is playing faster than it used to...soon it will be faster than the USO! It is already comparable to Wimbledon..
I don't quite understand this analogy. You are stating that at Roland Garros the courts are playing comparable to the Wimbledon courts? In what way?
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ashkor87 Wheels wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 8:58 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:06 am
Actually the irony is RG is playing faster than it used to...soon it will be faster than the USO! It is already comparable to Wimbledon..
I don't quite understand this analogy. You are stating that at Roland Garros the courts are playing comparable to the Wimbledon courts? In what way?
They are getting faster, especially on a sunny day...wimbledon, meanwhile is slower and bouncier than it used to be ..
by ti-amie UPDATED MD Singles Entry Lists - WTA
Entries
Seed Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Iga Swiatek 1 1
2 Aryna Sabalenka 2 2
3 Jessica Pegula 3 4
4 Ons Jabeur 4 3
5 Caroline Garcia 5 5
6 Coco Gauff 6 6
7 Maria Sakkari 7 7
8 Daria Kasatkina 8 8
9 Belinda Bencic 9 9
10 Elena Rybakina 10 10
11 Veronika Kudermetova 11 11
12 Liudmila Samsonova 12 19
13 Beatriz Haddad Maia 13 14
14 Victoria Azarenka 14 16
15 Petra Kvitova 15 13
16 Barbora Krejcikova 16 30
17 Karolina Pliskova 17 20
18 Ekaterina Alexandrova 18 17
19 Madison Keys 20 24
20 Magda Linette 21 22
21 Paula Badosa 22 21
22 Shuai Zhang 23 23
23 Martina Trevisan 25 25
24 Jelena Ostapenko 26 12
25 Petra Martic 27 34
26 Anastasia Potapova 28 44
27 Anhelina Kalinina 29 31
28 Marie Bouzkova 30 26
29 Donna Vekic 31 33
30 Leylah Fernandez 32 39
31 Amanda Anisimova 34 36
32 Bianca Andreescu 35 37
Irina-Camelia Begu 36 27
Jil Teichmann 37 28
Danielle Collins 38 42
Shelby Rogers 39 46
Yulia Putintseva 40 45
Lin Zhu 41 41
Elise Mertens 42 32
Bernarda Pera 43 43
Aliaksandra Sasnovich 44 38
Katerina Siniakova 45 47
Camila Giorgi 46 73
Lauren Davis 47 49
Kaia Kanepi 48 48
Elisabetta Cocciaretto 49 54
Alycia Parks 50 51
Sloane Stephens 51 40
Marta Kostyuk 52 57
Mayar Sherif 53 53
Linda Fruhvirtova 54 52
Linda Noskova 55 50
Claire Liu 56 56
Alison Riske-Amritraj 58 58
Xiyu Wang 59 62
Jasmine Paolini 60 65
Danka Kovinic 62 64
Xinyu Wang 65 69
Alizé Cornet 66 60
Anna Kalinskaya 67 55
Lucia Bronzetti 68 66
Jule Niemeier 69 71
Camila Osorio 70 61
Sorana Cirstea 71 63
Anna Blinkova 72 67
Tatjana Maria 73 70
Rebecca Marino 74 74
Anna Bondar 76 75
Karolina Muchova 77 22 (SR)
Nuria Parrizas Diaz 78 79
Alison Van Uytvanck 79 76
Emma Raducanu 80 80
Tamara Korpatsch 81 81
Maryna Zanevska 82 77
Marketa Vondrousova 104 32 (SR)
Evgeniya Rodina 425 73 (SR)
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1 Madison Brengle 95 82
2 Varvara Gracheva 88 84
3 Taylor Townsend 125 84 (SR)
4 Kateryna Baindl 84 85
5 Viktorija Golubic 93 86
6 Cristina Bucsa 86 87
7 Tereza Martincova 114 88
8 Julia Grabher 91 90
9 Kristina Kucova 364 90 (SR)
10 Caty Mcnally 75 91
11 Dalma Galfi 83 92
12 Anna Karolina Schmiedlova 100 93
13 Diana Shnaider 94 94
14 Ysaline Bonaventure 96 96
15 Katie Volynets 92 97
16 Kaja Juvan 132 98
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Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
Qinwen Zheng 24 29
Ana Bogdan 57 72
Anett Kontaveit 61 18
Jaqueline Cristian 266 65 (SR)
Patricia Maria Tig 694 65 (SR)
by ti-amie UPDATED Qualifying Entry Lists - WTA
Entries
Seed Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Caty Mcnally 75 94
2 Dalma Galfi 83 85
3 Kateryna Baindl 84 87
4 Cristina Bucsa 86 89
5 Varvara Gracheva 88 84
6 Rebeka Masarova 90 95
7 Katie Volynets 92 97
8 Viktorija Golubic 93 88
9 Diana Shnaider 94 92
10 Madison Brengle 95 81
11 Ysaline Bonaventure 96 96
12 Kamilla Rakhimova 97 114
13 Lesia Tsurenko 98 101
14 Anna Karolina Schmiedlova 100 91
15 Laura Pigossi 102 103
16 Dayana Yastremska 103 99
17 Magdalena Frech 105 104
18 Sara Errani 107 106
19 Anna-Lena Friedsam 108 107
20 Harriet Dart 110 109
21 Leolia Jeanjean 112 108
22 Diane Parry 113 111
23 Tereza Martincova 114 98
24 Kimberly Birrell 116 136
Reka Luca Jani 117 117
Lucrezia Stefanini 120 127
Eva Lys 121 116
Laura Siegemund 122 130
Simona Waltert 123 122
Marina Bassols Ribera 124 125
Taylor Townsend 125 126
Viktoria Kuzmova 128 129
Jodie Burrage 129 131
Ylena In-Albon 130 133
Kaja Juvan 132 112
Arantxa Rus 133 115
Emma Navarro 134 134
Erika Andreeva 135 132
Coco Vandeweghe 136 135
Peyton Stearns 137 137
Nao Hibino 139 138
Olga Danilovic 143 130 (SR)
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1 Katie Swan 140 139
2 Rebecca Peterson 99 140
3 Katie Boulter 142 141
4 Elena-Gabriela Ruse 160 143
5 Ana Konjuh 156 145
6 Katarina Zavatska 262 145 (SR)
7 Daria Snigur 157 147
8 Mirjam Bjorklund 151 148
9 Aliona Bolsova 148 149
10 Elizabeth Mandlik 154 150
11 Heather Watson 145 151
12 Oksana Selekhmeteva 149 153
13 Despina Papamichail 150 155
14 Maria Carle 153 156
15 Greet Minnen 192 157
16 Harmony Tan 161 158
17 Elsa Jacquemot 158 159
18 Ann Li 184 160
19 Katrina Scott 159 161
20 Jessika Ponchet 138 162
Withdrawals
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
Nuria Parrizas Diaz 78 80
Tamara Korpatsch 81 83
Maryna Zanevska 82 78
Panna Udvardy 89 93
Clara Burel 106 105
Garbiñe Muguruza 127 86
Eugenie Bouchard 318 118 (SR)
by ti-amie Doubles Lists for the WTA show no changes at this time.
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Deuce So much for comeback #83 for Genie, huh?
I certainly hope that there is not one tennis fan left on the planet who takes her seriously.
Very fittingly, there is not one mention of tennis in this 'article' (below).
Indeed, she is no longer a tennis player. She has joined the ranks of the Paris Hiltons, Kardashian women, etc., whose only 'talent' seems to be that they are 'famous for being famous'...
And the claim by her sister that Genie and her siblings were estranged is not entirely true - her brother William was with Genie and their mom around some of the Junior tennis tournaments that Genie was playing in - I saw him myself.
Eugenie Bouchard Flaunting Herself for Attention Again (Still)...
by JazzNU USTA officially caping for Novax like he's some life-saving doctor or scientist deserving of an exemption. Embarrassing.
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JTContinental Suliso wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 8:23 am
Actually you're right... I completely forgot about this week. In that case I upgrade their chances for sure albeit I'd still not bet any money on them winning a big tournament like IW.
Although both of them already have
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ponchi101 JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:29 pm
USTA officially caping for Novax like he's some life-saving doctor or scientist deserving of an exemption. Embarrassing.
Basically: rules DON'T apply to this greatest of all men.
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mick1303 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:30 am
JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:29 pm
USTA officially caping for Novax like he's some life-saving doctor or scientist deserving of an exemption. Embarrassing.
Basically: rules DON'T apply to this greatest of all men.
Those rules are stupid and illogical. And they are going to be cancelled soon - everyone knows this. Basically these rules shall not be applied to anybody, not just Djokovic. The reason he is not allowed to play is that bureaucracy always works slow. The slower - the better.
by ponchi101 Which is a different subject. Is the rule stupid? Well, we can ask that question. But the rule is in place, and therefore it should be applied, like it was applied to me last time I went to the USA. I needed proof of vaccination to enter.
That is the point in which we have always disagreed. It is not whether the rule should be in place or not; it is whether it should be followed.
If tomorrow the USA decides to allow Novak in, fine. But then, let ANYBODY and EVERYBODY in. Not just him.
by Owendonovan Mandate needs to be dropped, barely anyone lives as though there's a bug flying around that might kill you. No one is demanding masks any longer. Everyone has accepted there's a bigger roll of the dice in 2023 to live on earth. Whaddya gonna do?
by Suliso I think we all agree that the mandate makes no sense anymore. Maybe a year ago, but not now.
It doesn't mean that Djokovic ought to be treated differently than other visitors, though.
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ponchi101 Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:25 pm
I think we all agree that the mandate makes no sense anymore. Maybe a year ago, but not now.
It doesn't mean that Djokovic ought to be treated differently than other visitors, though.
And that is my point. Mandates are dropped? If so, for everybody. They are still in place? Then, in place for everybody.
Heck, I am meeting some friends later on tonight. We will certainly not be wearing masks at their place (having dinner). But we all are vaccinated.
by JTContinental There is a very easy solution to this problem, which Novak dismisses out of hand, so pay the consequences and shut up, IMO. Play IW next year.
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Deuce Owendonovan wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:15 pm
Mandate needs to be dropped, barely anyone lives as though there's a bug flying around that might kill you. No one is demanding masks any longer. Everyone has accepted there's a bigger roll of the dice in 2023 to live on earth. Whaddya gonna do?
It has been my experience in life that, when given a choice between doing the right thing and living in a comfortable illusion, the majority will choose the comfortable illusion almost every time.
Just because the majority are doing something doesn't make it the right thing to do - it simply makes it the most popular and most convenient thing to do.
"Phocion took it right, who, when being applauded by the multitude, asked, 'What have I done amiss?'"
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by Owendonovan ^Unfortunately, we have a sizable portion of the population who keeps that moving right along. Best I can do is my own version of personal responsibility which includes thinking of others.
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Deuce Owendonovan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:33 am
^Unfortunately, we have a sizable portion of the population who keeps that moving right along. Best I can do is my own version of personal responsibility which includes thinking of others.
Yes - but we can also encourage others to behave responsibly, and hold them accountable when they don't.
by ashkor87 Based on what we have seen thus far and the presumption (almost certainly correct) that IW will be slow and no Djokovic.
1. Swiatek
2. Sabalenka
3. Kudermetova
4. Samsonova
5. Rybakina
6. Kostyuk
7. Badosa (first time ever I had a good word for her!)
8. Alexandrova
on the Men:
1. Alcaraz (if he is fit)
2. Fritz
3. Norrie
4. Medvedev (reluctantly he is just too good to ignore)
5. zverev
6.:Tsitsipas
Only the top 4 have a real chance of winning the tournament..the others may just do well..
by ponchi101 In the same way that recently we were talking about Iga being "a monster", Daniil has been playing superb tennis as of late. Three straight tournaments, barely breaking a sweat. So, I will flip your Alcaraz for Daniil at IW.
Norrie? Sure, he has won it before. But I don't give him much of a chance.
Fritz and not Paul, who just beat him (a very close match, we know that)? I give Paul a chance.
Zverev? Nope, not yet. Still recovering from the long lay off.
Stefanos? Uhm, yes. He should be very fresh, and by your theory of slow courts, he should like it here.
If we are going again by your court speed hypothesis, we have to include Ruud. USO Finalist, and if the court is slow, he could do well. But he is playing poor tennis.
DeMinaur. Fastest man on the tour, on your slow court. How do you get a ball by him?
Women.
Sure, Iga and Aryna. Those are given.
Kudermetova, Samsonova and Alexandrova? But not Garcia? Nah, can see those doing much.
Paula? She has done nothing in a long time. Former champion, yes, but I don't know how well she is playing.
Vekic and Kostyuk are in finals this weekend. They are playing well.
You don't like Pegula. But she is consistent as hell. She can take it, if somebody at least softens Iga a little bit. Aryna can still self destruct, so we always know she can take herself out of a match in a hurry.
Miss OTHER can raise her head. But, to me, your trio of OVA's are included there, so it might work.
by mick1303 Sinner surely shall be in top 5. I like his chances more than Norrie/Fritz.
by ponchi101 After a bit of a long layoff, one has to watch a couple of matches to see what shape he is on. But sure, he should be in the mix, and he likes this kind of courts.
by New England Nitemare I have to agree with Ponchi, gotta include Jess Pegula in the mix. She has been the queen of consistency lately and is a tough out. She may not win it, but I expect a deep run for her. Plus, she' beat Iga earlier this year. Iga is still the favorite.
If you go just on form alone, Medvedev is the guy to beat here, IMO. He made it look very easy in Dubai last week and took out Novak to boot.
by ti-amie Now if only they'd release the Qualifying Draws and tomorrow's OoP...
by ti-amie WTA Qualifying Draw
D. Galfi (1) vs A. Konjuh
K. Swan vs L. Jeanjean (17)
C. Bucsa (2) vs E. Andreeva
E. Ruse vs T. Martincova (19)
V. Gracheva (3) vs P. Marcinko (WC)
M. Bassols Ribera vs A. Friedsam (15)
R. Masarova (4) vs M. Bjorklund
L. Hovde (WC) vs R. Jani (21)
V. Golubic (5) s O. Danilovic
K. Juvan vs L. Stefanini (22)
D. Shnaider (6) vs A. Rus
Y. In-Albon vs S. Errani (14)
Y. Bonaventure (7) vs V. Kuzmova
K. Zavatska vs E. Lys (23)
K. Rakhimova (8) vs N. Hibino
J. Burrage vs K. Birrell (20)
L. Tsurenko (9) vs T. Townsend
K. Boulter vs D. Parry (18)
R. Peterson (10) vs S. Waltert
C. Dolehide (WC) vs H. Dart (16)
A. Schmiedlova (11) vs S. Yakoff (WC)
C. Vandeweghe vs L. Siegemund (24)
L. Pigossi (12) vs A. Krueger (WC)
R. Montgomery (WC) vs M. Frech (13)
by ti-amie ATP Qualifying Draw
(1) Dusan Lajovic vs (WC) Tennys Sandgren
Felipe Meligeni Alves vs (16) Rinky Hijikata
(2) Nuno Borges vs Pablo Andujar
Andrea Collarini vs (18) Borna Gojo
(3) Denis Kudla vs Alexandre Muller
(WC) Alex Michelsen vs (19) Leandro Riedi
(4) Emilio Gomez vs Aleksandar Vukic
(PR) Roberto Marcora vs (Alt) Stefan Kozlov
(5) Christopher O'Connell vs Alejandro Tabilo
(WC) Zachary Svajda vs (21) Steve Johnson
(6) Zhizhen Zhang vs Elias Ymer
Juncheng Shang vs (14) Yosuke Watanuki
(7) Alexei Popyrin vs (PR) Bradley Klahn
Nick Hardt vs (17) Taro Daniel
(8) Cristian Garin vs (WC) Learner Tien
Joao Sousa vs (24) Filip Misolic
(9) Thanasi Kokkinakis vs (PR) Yuichi Sugita
Lloyd Harris vs (13) Matteo Arnaldi
(10) Christopher Eubanks vs Maximilian Marterer
Emilio Nava vs (23) Pavel Kotov
(11) Radu Albot vs Mattia Bellucci
Geoffrey Blancaneaux vs (22) Jan-Lennard Struff
(12) Francesco Passaro vs (WC) Mitchell Krueger
Tung-Lin Wu vs (15) Alexander Shevchenko
by ti-amie UPDATED ATP MD Singles Entry Lists
Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Carlos Alcaraz 2 2
2 Stefanos Tsitsipas 3 3
3 Casper Ruud 4 4
4 Taylor Fritz 5 8
5 Andrey Rublev 6 5
6 Daniil Medvedev 7 12
7 Felix Auger-Aliassime 9 7
8 Holger Rune 10 9
9 Hubert Hurkacz 11 10
10 Cameron Norrie 12 11
11 Jannik Sinner 13 17
12 Karen Khachanov 14 13
13 Frances Tiafoe 15 14
14 Alexander Zverev 16 16
15 Pablo Carreno Busta 17 15
16 Lorenzo Musetti 18 18
17 Borna Coric 20 23
18 Alex de Minaur 22 25
19 Tommy Paul 23 19
20 Matteo Berrettini 24 22
21 Grigor Dimitrov 25 29
22 Roberto Bautista Agut 27 24
23 Daniel Evans 28 30
24 Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 29 32
25 Denis Shapovalov 30 27
26 Miomir Kecmanovic 31 33
27 Francisco Cerundolo 32 31
28 Botic van de Zandschulp 33 35
29 Yoshihito Nishioka 34 34
30 Sebastian Baez 35 47
31 Maxime Cressy 36 51
32 Diego Schwartzman 37 28
John Isner 38 39
Tallon Griekspoor 39 57
Ben Shelton 41 41
Bernabe Zapata Miralles 42 76
Richard Gasquet 43 45
J.J. Wolf 44 43
Alexander Bublik 46 50
Jiri Lehecka 47 37
Brandon Nakashima 49 46
Albert Ramos-Vinolas 50 54
Marc-Andrea Huesler 51 49
Andy Murray 52 61
Jack Draper 53 38
Emil Ruusuvuori 54 53
Laslo Djere 55 62
Constant Lestienne 56 48
Alex Molcan 57 52
Federico Coria 58 67
Mikael Ymer 59 73
Gregoire Barrere 60 75
Pedro Cachin 61 66
Mackenzie McDonald 62 59
(WC) Yibing Wu 63
Adrian Mannarino 64 63
Jaume Munar 66 65
Lorenzo Sonego 67 56
Marcos Giron 69 55
Filip Krajinovic 70 71
Jason Kubler 71 79
Arthur Rinderknech 72 68
Quentin Halys 73 70
Roberto Carballes Baena 74 77
Tomas Martin Etcheverry 76 81
Oscar Otte 78 80
Marton Fucsovics 79 69
Ilya Ivashka 80 74
Jordan Thompson 81 84
Fabio Fognini 82 58
Daniel Elahi Galan 83 83
Thiago Monteiro 84 78
Michael Mmoh 86 86
Ugo Humbert 89 85
Stan Wawrinka 97 22 (PR)
(WC) Dominic Thiem 99
Roman Safiullin 109 82
Nikoloz Basilashvili 113 87
Pedro Martinez 117 72
(WC) Aleksandar Kovacevic 121
(WC) Jack Sock 154
(WC) Brandon Holt 195
Gael Monfils 208 35 (PR)
Guido Pella 732 75 (PR)
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Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
Novak Djokovic 1 1
Rafael Nadal 8 6
Nick Kyrgios 19 20
Marin Cilic 21 21
Sebastian Korda 26 26
David Goffin 40 40
Benjamin Bonzi 45 42
Jenson Brooksby 48 36
Corentin Moutet 65 64
Soonwoo Kwon 68 60
Reilly Opelka 107 44
Kyle Edmund 545 48 (PR)
by ti-amie Interesting to see the tournament promoting these two.
by Deuce Interesting to see some names at the bottom end of the seedings that we're not used to seeing seeded in big tournaments - Cressy, Botic, Baez, Cerundolo, Nishioka...
by ti-amie Monday, March 06, 2023 Day 1 Qualifying
STADIUM 2 Starts At 11:00 Am
Q1
(10) Christopher Eubanks VS Maximilian Marterer
Followed By
Q1
(7) Alexei Popyrin VS (PR) Bradley Klahn
Followed By
Q1
(9) Thanasi Kokkinakis VS (PR) Yuichi Sugita
Followed By
Q1
(WC) Zachary Svajda VS (21) Steve Johnson
Followed By
Q1
(3) Denis Kudla VS Alexandre Muller
Followed By
Q1
(1) Dusan Lajovic VS (WC) Tennys Sandgren
STADIUM 3 Starts At 11:00 Am
Q1
(WC) Robin Montgomery VS (13) Magdalena Frech
Followed By
Q1
Coco Vandeweghe VS (24) Laura Siegemund
Followed By
Q1
(WC) Caroline Dolehide VS (16) Harriet Dart
Followed By
Q1
(9)Lesia Tsurenko VS Taylor Townsend
Q1
Followed By
(WC) Liv Hovde VS (21) Reka-Luca Jani
Q1
Followed By
Ylena In-Albon VS (14) Sara Errani
STADIUM 4 Starts At 11:00 Am
Q1
(12) Laura Pigossi VS (WC) Ashlyn Krueger
Q1
Followed By
(11) Anna Karolina Schmiedlova VS (WC) Stephanie Yakoff
Q1
Followed By
(7) Ysaline Bonaventure VS Viktoria Kuzmova
Q1
Followed By
Katie Boulter VS (18) Diane Parry
Q1
Followed By
(4) Rebeka Masarova VS Mirjam Bjorklund
Q1
Followed By
(6) Diana Shnaider VS Arantxa Rus
STADIUM 5 Starts At 11:00 Am
Q1
Emilio Nava VS (23) Pavel Kotov
Followed By
Q1
Geoffrey Blancaneaux VS (22) Jan-Lennard Struff
Followed By
Q1
(8) Cristian Garin VS (WC) Learner Tien
Followed By
Q1
Juncheng Shang VS (14) Yosuke Watanuki
Followed By
Q1
(WC) Alex Michelsen VS (19) Leandro Riedi
Followed By
Q1
Felipe Meligeni Alves VS (16) Rinky Hijikata
STADIUM 6 Starts At 11:00 Am
Q1
(1) Dalma Galfi VS Ana Konjuh
Q1
Followed By
Q1
Elena-Gabriela Ruse VS (19) Tereza Martincova
Followed By
Q1
Katarina Zavatska VS (23) Eva Lys
Followed By
Q1
(5) Viktorija Golubic VS Olga Danilovic
Followed By
Q1
(3) Varvara Gracheva VS (WC) Petra Marcinko
Followed By
Q1
(8) Kamilla Rakhimova VS Nao Hibino
STADIUM 7 Starts At 11:00 Am
Q1
(12) Francesco Passaro VS (WC) Mitchell Krueger
Followed By
Q1
Nick Hardt VS (17) Taro Daniel
Followed By
Q1
Lloyd Harris VS (13) Matteo Arnaldi
Followed By
Q1
(5) Christopher O'Connell VS Alejandro Tabilo
Followed By
Q1
(4) Emilio Gomez VS Aleksandar Vukic
Followed By
Q1
(2) Nuno Borges VS Pablo Andujar
STADIUM 8 Starts At 11:00 Am
Q1
Katie Swan VS (17) Leolia Jeanjean
Followed By
Q1
(2) Cristina Bucsa VS Erika Andreeva
Followed By
Q1
(10) Rebecca Peterson VS Simona Waltert
Followed By
Q1
Kaja Juvan VS (22) Lucrezia Stefanini
Q1
Followed By
Marina Bassols Ribera VS (15) Anna-Lena Friedsam
Q1
Followed By
Jodie Burrage VS (20) Kimberly Birrell
STADIUM 9 Starts At 11:00 Am
Q1
Tung-Lin Wu VS (15) Alexander Shevchenko
Followed By
Q1
(11) Radu Albot VS Mattia Bellucci
Followed By
Q1
Joao Sousa VS (24) Filip Misolic
Followed By
Q1
(6) Zhizhen Zhang VS Elias Ymer
Followed By
Q1
(PR) Roberto Marcora VS (Alt) Stefan Kozlov
Followed By
Q1
Andrea Collarini VS (18) Borna Gojo
by ti-amie With Carlitos now the Top Seed he won't play until Friday or can they save him for the weekend? I'm never sure about these things.
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skatingfan ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:25 am
With Carlitos now the Top Seed he won't play until Friday or can they save him for the weekend? I'm never sure about these things.
2nd round is being played Friday, and Saturday, so yes.
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ashkor87 mick1303 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:57 pm
Sinner surely shall be in top 5. I like his chances more than Norrie/Fritz.
sinner seems to do better on faster courts.. I expect the IW will be too slow for him..
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:58 pm
In the same way that recently we were talking about Iga being "a monster", Daniil has been playing superb tennis as of late. Three straight tournaments, barely breaking a sweat. So, I will flip your Alcaraz for Daniil at IW.
Norrie? Sure, he has won it before. But I don't give him much of a chance.
Fritz and not Paul, who just beat him (a very close match, we know that)? I give Paul a chance.
Zverev? Nope, not yet. Still recovering from the long lay off.
Stefanos? Uhm, yes. He should be very fresh, and by your theory of slow courts, he should like it here.
If we are going again by your court speed hypothesis, we have to include Ruud. USO Finalist, and if the court is slow, he could do well. But he is playing poor tennis.
DeMinaur. Fastest man on the tour, on your slow court. How do you get a ball by him?
Women.
Sure, Iga and Aryna. Those are given.
Kudermetova, Samsonova and Alexandrova? But not Garcia? Nah, can see those doing much.
Paula? She has done nothing in a long time. Former champion, yes, but I don't know how well she is playing.
Vekic and Kostyuk are in finals this weekend. They are playing well.
You don't like Pegula. But she is consistent as hell. She can take it, if somebody at least softens Iga a little bit. Aryna can still self destruct, so we always know she can take herself out of a match in a hurry.
Miss OTHER can raise her head. But, to me, your trio of OVA's are included there, so it might work.
Yes, Pegula is consistent, which gives her a high ranking.. but her best isnt good enough to beat the top players, and she prefers faster courts, which is why I dont give her much chance..
Badosa will be fresh, and she likes this court - a former champion after all, so I give her a sliver of a chance.
should be fun to watch how this all pans out anyway..
by ashkor87 I have several friends, not US citizens, who strolled into the US without anyone even asking them about vaccination. of course, they will make a point of asking Djokovic but the whole thing seems arbitrary at best
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skatingfan ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:45 am
I have several friends, not US citizens, who strolled into the US without anyone even asking them about vaccination. of course, they will make a point of asking Djokovic but the whole thing seems arbitrary at best
Serbians require a visa to enter the US, so it would be part of the application process.
by ashkor87 Indians do too
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:58 pm
In the same way that recently we were talking about Iga being "a monster", Daniil has been playing superb tennis as of late. Three straight tournaments, barely breaking a sweat. So, I will flip your Alcaraz for Daniil at IW.
Norrie? Sure, he has won it before. But I don't give him much of a chance.
Fritz and not Paul, who just beat him (a very close match, we know that)? I give Paul a chance.
Zverev? Nope, not yet. Still recovering from the long lay off.
Stefanos? Uhm, yes. He should be very fresh, and by your theory of slow courts, he should like it here.
If we are going again by your court speed hypothesis, we have to include Ruud. USO Finalist, and if the court is slow, he could do well. But he is playing poor tennis.
DeMinaur. Fastest man on the tour, on your slow court. How do you get a ball by him?
Women.
Sure, Iga and Aryna. Those are given.
Kudermetova, Samsonova and Alexandrova? But not Garcia? Nah, can see those doing much.
Paula? She has done nothing in a long time. Former champion, yes, but I don't know how well she is playing.
Vekic and Kostyuk are in finals this weekend. They are playing well.
You don't like Pegula. But she is consistent as hell. She can take it, if somebody at least softens Iga a little bit. Aryna can still self destruct, so we always know she can take herself out of a match in a hurry.
Miss OTHER can raise her head. But, to me, your trio of OVA's are included there, so it might work.
Medvedev just doesnt have enough power to hit through a slow court.. he never does well here.
by ashkor87 Actually, Medvedev's performance is one way I am testing the theory that slow courts call for power, fast courts call for foot speed and defense. Let us see what real life says about the theory.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 12:34 pm
Actually, Medvedev's performance is one way I am testing the theory that slow courts call for power, fast courts call for foot speed and defense. Let us see what real life says about the theory.
The problem is how to collect the data.
For example. You and I agree that the current grass at Wimbledon is slower than ever. There is some data in that the grass mix was changed several years ago precisely to make the surface a bit sturdier, but we have no data on the speed. We don't even have a scale.
For clay, we know that the speed is related to the depth of the clay bed: the more clay, the slower the court. For hard courts, the paint mix determines the speed (or, more precisely, the amount of "sand" or "dirt" in the mix).
But, again, we have no scale, and I can't agree with your concept of an eye test. It is too subjective. I agree that the courts today are slower than the courts of past, but where I disagree with you is that the difference between Doha/Dubai and IW/MIA are so extreme that you can say that some players simply cannot win in one place or another.
I believe that the balls affect play much more than any surface. If IW/MIA use the same ball as the other recent tournaments, players will be used to that. If there is a new change of balls, then we can see some changes.
As you say, let's see how that goes.
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:27 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 12:34 pm
Actually, Medvedev's performance is one way I am testing the theory that slow courts call for power, fast courts call for foot speed and defense. Let us see what real life says about the theory.
The problem is how to collect the data.
For example. You and I agree that the current grass at Wimbledon is slower than ever. There is some data in that the grass mix was changed several years ago precisely to make the surface a bit sturdier, but we have no data on the speed. We don't even have a scale.
For clay, we know that the speed is related to the depth of the clay bed: the more clay, the slower the court. For hard courts, the paint mix determines the speed (or, more precisely, the amount of "sand" or "dirt" in the mix).
But, again, we have no scale, and I can't agree with your concept of an eye test. It is too subjective. I agree that the courts today are slower than the courts of past, but where I disagree with you is that the difference between Doha/Dubai and IW/MIA are so extreme that you can say that some players simply cannot win in one place or another.
I believe that the balls affect play much more than any surface. If IW/MIA use the same ball as the other recent tournaments, players will be used to that. If there is a new change of balls, then we can see some changes.
As you say, let's see how that goes.
I do agree that court speed is only one of several factors but I do think it is a factor. Most people dont think it is a factor at all - I keep harping on it only because I see that as a gap in the way we think about the game.
I dont see why we need data beyond what our eyes and ears are telling us - if most knowledgeable people see a court as slow, it is slow. The day is soon coming when we rely on AI for everything.. I hope to be gone by then!
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:37 pm
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I do agree that court speed is only one of several factors but I do think it is a factor. Most people dont think it is a factor at all - I keep harping on it only because I see that as a gap in the way we think about the game.
I dont see why we need data beyond what our eyes and ears are telling us - if most knowledgeable people see a court as slow, it is slow. The day is soon coming when we rely on AI for everything..
I hope to be gone by then!
I hope not because then you will have to be gone next month!
I do like data. I am a data rat, and I like to quantify these facts. For example.
We are also talking about how more powerful racquets are today. But it goes deeper than that. We are seeing players retiring from matches, but we are not seeing a lot of ARM and SHOULDER injuries. The injuries we are seeing are knees, hips, ankles, hamstrings and abs, but not much about wrists and elbows (Thiem is the last player I can recall with a bad wrist injury, and before him, Delpo). So, the racquets seem to be more powerful, but they also seem to be more forgiving. Yet, I don't see a power rating for racquets. We KNOW that the Babolats are more powerful than the Yonexes, but not by how much.
And I think we are not that far away on the relevance of speed (of the court). We agree it is a factor; but it is not THE factor. Example: Medvedev. he is obviously a very good player on hard courts, regardless of speed (USO champ, Aussie RU), but he has done very little on clay (not even Madrid, which is recognized as fast) and has a minor title on grass. I say the surface, not the speed, is what dictates his results.
by ti-amie Nothing but tweets so far from the folks at IW.
by ti-amie Main Draw Singles - WTA
Top Half
POL I. Swiatek (1)/BYE
USA C. Liu vs BEL A. Van Uytvanck
Qualifier vs USA P. Stearns
BYE/CAN B. Andreescu (32)
POL M. Linette (20)/BYE
MNE D. Kovinic vs GBR E. Raducanu
CZE K. Siniakova vs GER J. Niemeier
BYE/BRA B. Haddad Maia (13)
RUS L. Samsonova (12)/BYE
USA B. Pera vs ITA L. Bronzetti
ROU S. Cirstea vs Qualifier
BYE/USA M. Keys (19)
CAN L. Fernandez (30)/BYE
USA E. Navarro vs USA C. McNally
GER T. Korpatsch vs USA D. Collins
BYE/FRA C. Garcia (5)
TUN O. Jabeur (4)/BYE
BEL M. Zanevska vs USA L. Davis
CZE M. Vondrousova vs CAN R. Marino
BYE/CZE M. Bouzkova (28)
ITA M. Trevisan (23)/BYE
Qualifier vs USA M. Brengle
KAZ Y. Putintseva vs CZE K. Muchova
BYE/BLR V. Azarenka (14)
KAZ E. Rybakina (10)/BYE
USA S. Stephens vs USA S. Kenin
ESP N. Parrizas Diaz vs ITA E. Cocciaretto
BYE/ESP P. Badosa (21)
CRO P. Martic (25)/BYE
Qualifier vs Qualifier
GER T. Maria vs ITA J. Paolini
BYE/RUS D. Kasatkina (8)
GRE M. Sakkari (7)/BYE
USA K. Volynets vs USA S. Rogers
EGY M. Sherif vs CZE L. Fruhvirtova
BYE/ UKR A. Kalinina (27)
CZE K. Pliskova (17)/BYE
RUS A. Kalinskaya vs USA A. Parks
USA A. Li vs RUS A. Blinkova
BYE/RUS V. Kudermetova (11)
CZE P. Kvitova (15)/BYE
USA E. Mandlik vs USA A. Riske-Amritraj
BLR A. Sasnovich vs EST K. Kanepi
BYE/LAT J. Ostapenko (24)
RUS A. Potapova (26)/BYE
Qualifier vs CHN X. Wang
Qualifier vs ITA C. Giorgi
BYE/USA J. Pegula (3)
USA C. Gauff (6)/BYE
Qualifier vs Qualifier
CZE L. Noskova vs ROU I. Begu
BYE/USA A. Anisimova (31)
CHN S. Zhang (22)/BYE
Qualifier vs UKR M. Kostyuk
Qualifier vs SUI J. Teichmann
BYE/SUI B. Bencic (9)
CZE B. Krejcikova (16)/BYE
UKR D. Yastremska vs HUN A. Bondar
CHN X. Wang vs BEL E. Mertens
BYE/RUS E. Alexandrova (18)
CRO D. Vekic (29)/BYE
Qualifier vs CHN L. Zhu
RUS E. Rodina vs FRA A. Cornet
BYE/BLR A. Sabalenka (2)
by ashkor87 I agree surface, of which speed is a subset, is more important than speed alone.actually, it is best to say 'conditions' -Madrid's altitude is what causes balls to fly there.
But the point about a player like Medvedev doing well at the USO and AO and not IW and Miami, would argue for court speed as being important - they are all Harcourts, USO and AO are just faster.
by ashkor87 Nothing jumps out as a very interesting first round match ..
by ashkor87 Good point about lower body injuries..wonder if the surfaces are getting harder..more hard courts?
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Owendonovan ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:20 pm
Another Billionaire right winger pitching a hissy fit over something silly?
by ti-amie Main Draw Singles - ATP
(1) Carlos Alcaraz/Bye
Qualifier vs (WC) Brandon Holt
Thiago Monteiro vs (PR) Guido Pella
Bye/(31) Tallon Griekspoor
(24) Daniel Evans/Bye
Qualifier vs Jack Draper
Tomas Martin Etcheverry vs Andy Murray
Bye/(15) Pablo Carreno Busta
(9) Hubert Hurkacz/Bye
Qualifier vs Qualifier
Michael Mmoh vs Quentin Halys
Bye/(17) Tommy Paul
(27) Francisco Cerundolo/Bye
Gregoire Barrere vs (WC) Jack Sock
Pedro Martinez vs Marc-Andrea Huesler
Bye/(8) Felix Auger-Aliassime
(4) Taylor Fritz/Bye
Ben Shelton vs Fabio Fognini
Mikael Ymer vs Qualifier
Bye/(30) Sebastian Baez
(18) Borna Coric/Bye
Alex Molcan vs Albert Ramos-Vinolas
J.J. Wolf vs Marton Fucsovics
Bye/(16) Alex de Minaur
(11) Jannik Sinner/Bye
Qualifier vs Richard Gasquet
(WC) Dominic Thiem vs Adrian Mannarino
Bye/(19) Lorenzo Musetti
(26) Miomir Kecmanovic/Bye
(PR) Stan Wawrinka vs Qualifier
Mackenzie McDonald vs Filip Krajinovic
Bye/(7) Holger Rune
(5) Daniil Medvedev/Bye
John Isner vs Brandon Nakashima
Ilya Ivashka vs Roman Safiullin
Bye/(28) Botic van de Zandschulp
(22) Roberto Bautista Agut/Bye
Emil Ruusuvuori vs Constant Lestienne vs
Pedro Cachin vs Nikoloz Basilashvili
Bye/(12) Alexander Zverev
(13) Karen Khachanov/Bye
Laslo Djere vs Oscar Otte
(WC) Yibing Wu vs Jaume Munar
Bye/(23) Alejandro Davidovich Fokina
(29) Yoshihito Nishioka/Bye
Daniel Elahi Galan vs Qualifier
Diego Schwartzman vs Federico Coria
Bye/(3) Casper Ruud
(6) Andrey Rublev/Bye
Jiri Lehecka vs Arthur Rinderknech
Bernabe Zapata Miralles vs Ugo Humbert
Bye/(25) Denis Shapovalov
(20) Matteo Berrettini/Bye
Qualifier vs Roberto Carballes Baena
Alexander Bublik vs Qualifier
Bye/(10) Cameron Norrie
(14) Frances Tiafoe/Bye
Marcos Giron vs (WC) Aleksandar Kovacevic
Jason Kubler vs Lorenzo Sonego
Bye/(21) Grigor Dimitrov
(32) Maxime Cressy/Bye
Qualifier vs Qualifier
Jordan Thompson vs (PR) Gael Monfils
Bye/(2) Stefanos Tsitsipas
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ti-amie These are interesting to me in the WTA draw.
POL I. Swiatek (1)/BYE
USA C. Liu vs BEL A. Van Uytvanck
Qualifier vs USA P. Stearns
BYE/CAN B. Andreescu (32)
Iga vs Andreescu is the hoped for outcome for this section I think?
CAN L. Fernandez (30)/BYE
USA E. Navarro vs USA C. McNally
GER T. Korpatsch vs USA D. Collins
BYE/FRA C. Garcia (5)
Leylah has a chance here but not much of a chance.
RUS A. Potapova (26)/BYE
Qualifier vs CHN X. Wang
Qualifier vs ITA C. Giorgi
BYE/USA J. Pegula (3)
Depending on which Giorgi shows up she can make this section interesting.
CZE B. Krejcikova (16)/BYE
UKR D. Yastremska vs HUN A. Bondar
CHN X. Wang vs BEL E. Mertens
BYE/RUS E. Alexandrova (18)
Krejcikova should make it out of this section. Sorry Ashkor I just don't think Alexandrova will get past her.
by
ti-amie (4) Taylor Fritz/Bye
Ben Shelton vs Fabio Fognini
Mikael Ymer vs Qualifier
Bye/(30) Sebastian Baez
Shelton will have to use guile to get past Fabio. Mikael Ymer needs to keep his temper under control. That said I don't see Fritz losing to any of them.
(
11) Jannik Sinner/Bye
Qualifier vs Richard Gasquet
(WC) Dominic Thiem vs Adrian Mannarino
Bye/(19) Lorenzo Musetti
Musetti has been playing better tennis as of late but Sinner should win this group.
(5) Daniil Medvedev/Bye
John Isner vs Brandon Nakashima
Ilya Ivashka vs Roman Safiullin
Bye/(28) Botic van de Zandschulp
I would love Botic or Brandon to come out of this section but...
(22) Roberto Bautista Agut/Bye
Emil Ruusuvuori vs Constant Lestienne vs
Pedro Cachin vs Nikoloz Basilashvili
Bye/(12) Alexander Zverev
Hoping RBA can get it together long enough to come out of this group. If he doesn't that guy will probably make it out.
(6) Andrey Rublev/Bye
Jiri Lehecka vs Arthur Rinderknech
Bernabe Zapata Miralles vs Ugo Humbert
Bye/(25) Denis Shapovalov
Lehecka can wreak havoc here. I'm all for it but I'd love to see Andrey do well at a M1000.
by
Deuce Putinseva vs. Muchova has the potential to be interesting...
Kenin vs. Stephens - given the way that these two are going, there's a distinct possibility that both will somehow lose this one
.
It's surprising to see Danielle Collins not seeded. Her ranking must have fallen significantlyc amidst her ongoing health problems.
On the men's side, potentially interesting 1st round matches...
Nakashima vs. Isner
Wolf vs. Fuscovics
Maybe Shelton vs. Fognini (we never know what we'll get with Fabio)...
by ashkor87 Generally agree, but no first round stunners I think
by JTContinental I don’t think it takes that much guile to heat Fognini these days
by
ashkor87 ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:52 am
Sorry Ashkor I just don't think Alexandrova will get past her.
we shall see, wont we. I think on a slow court, Alexandrova has a chance (maybe 40%) of beating Krejcikova..I love Krejcikova so am reluctant o bet against her..!
by
ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:13 pm
I do like data. I am a data rat, and I like to quantify these facts.
as a leading data scientist said recently - 'If you torture the data enough, it will confess to anything'..
by ashkor87 lots of interesting potential third round matches, of course, which is as it should be..! like Coco versus Anisimova (yet again!) Garcia versus Fernandez, Musetti versus Sinner.. i think Bencic-Kostyuk will be close too...
by dave g Which halves play the first day (Wednesday)? Is it the top half of each draw?
by
ponchi101 JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:52 am
I don’t think it takes that much guile to heat Fognini these days
With JT here. I don't think Shelton needs to do much to beat Fabio. Fabio is retiring slowly and just collecting these last few 1st round loss checks.
Unless JT DID mean "heat Fognini".
by
ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:58 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:13 pm
I do like data. I am a data rat, and I like to quantify these facts.
as a leading data scientist said recently - 'If you torture the data enough, it will confess to anything'..
Yes. The bad scientists say that.
Surprising how it is still the way the whole thing works.
by Suliso Indeed. Data and statistics is a powerful tool. Of course if your intention is to deceive in the first place then it's a different kind of discussion. Also one needs to be very careful about the applicability domain of any analysis. That's the hard part where errors are often made.
by ti-amie Tuesday, March 07, 2023 Day 2
STADIUM 3 Starts At 11:00 Am
Q2
(9) Thanasi Kokkinakis VS (13) Matteo Arnaldi
Followed By
Q2
(7) Alexei Popyrin VS (17) Taro Daniel
Not Before 4:00 Pm
Q2
(WC) Tennys Sandgren VS (16) Rinky Hijikata
STADIUM 4 Starts At 11:00 Am
(WC) Ashlyn Krueger VS (13) Magdalena Frech
Followed By
(10) Rebecca Peterson VS (WC) Caroline Dolehide
Followed By
Olga Danilovic VS Kaja Juvan
Not Before 4:00 PM
Arantxa Rus VS (14) Sara Errani
STADIUM 5 Starts At 11:00 Am
Q2
(11) Radu Albot VS (22) Jan-Lennard Struff
Not Before 1:00 Pm
Q2
Alejandro Tabilo VS (WC) Zachary Svajda
Not Before 2:00 Pm
Q2
(6) Zhizhen Zhang VS Juncheng Shang
STADIUM 6 Starts At 11:00 Am
(1) Dalma Galfi VS Katie Swan
Followed By
(2) Cristina Bucsa VS Elena-Gabriela Ruse
Not Before 2:00 PM
(4) Rebeka Masarova VS (WC) Liv Hovde
Not Before 4:00 PM
Nao Hibino VS (20) Kimberly Birrell
STADIUM 7 Starts At 11:00 Am
Q2
Maximilian Marterer VS Emilio Nava
Followed By
Q2
(8) Cristian Garin VS (24) Filip Misolic
Not Before 3:00 Pm
Q2
Alexandre Muller VS (19) Leandro Riedi
Followed By
Q2
Pablo Andujar VS (18) Borna Gojo
STADIUM 8 Starts At 11:00 Am
(11) Anna Karolina Schmiedlova VS (24) Laura Siegemund
Followed By
(7) Ysaline Bonaventure VS (23) Eva Lys
Not Before 2:00 PM
(3) Varvara Gracheva VS (15) Anna-Lena Friedsam
STADIUM 9 Starts At 11:00 Am
Q2
(12) Francesco Passaro VS Tung-Lin Wu
Not Before 1:00 PM
(9) Lesia Tsurenko VS Katie Boulter
Not Before 3:00 Pm
Q2
Aleksandar Vukic VS (PR) Roberto Marcora
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nelslus ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:26 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:52 am
I don’t think it takes that much guile to heat Fognini these days
With JT here. I don't think Shelton needs to do much to beat Fabio. Fabio is retiring slowly and just collecting these last few 1st round loss checks.
Unless JT DID mean "heat Fognini".
AS much as it pains me to state- and as I hate to disagree with my fellow geezers
- I think Fognini will take this match. He tortured Carlos a few weeks ago, and I think he'll be all in for more torture for the newbie. This match-up is gonna make Fognini want to win this match. (Hope to be wrong.)
by
nelslus Suliso wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:32 pm
Indeed. Data and statistics is a powerful tool. Of course if your intention is to deceive in the first place then it's a different kind of discussion. Also one needs to be very careful about the applicability domain of any analysis. That's the hard part where errors are often made.
i don't know anything about applicability domains- and I plan to keep in this way. (Sometimes, y'all make me feel so blonde.)
PS: Giorgi is, of course, the Applicability Domain Nullifier.
by ti-amie Wednesday, March 08, 2023 Day 3
STADIUM 1 Starts At 11:00 Am
Marcos Giron VS (WC) Aleksandar Kovacevic
Followed By
John Isner VS Brandon Nakashima
Followed By
(WC) Katie Volynets VS Shelby Rogers
Not Before 6:00 Pm
Jordan Thompson VS (PR) Gael Monfils
Followed By
Anna Kalinskaya VS Alycia Parks
STADIUM 2 Starts At 11:00 Am
Aliaksandra Sasnovich VS Kaia Kanepi
Followed By
Xinyu Wang VS Elise Mertens
Not Before 2:00 Pm
(WC) Yibing Wu VS Jaume Munar
Not Before 6:00 PM
(WC) Elizabeth Mandlik VS Alison Riske-Amritraj
Followed By
Alexander Bublik VS Qualifier
STADIUM 3 Starts At 11:00 Am
Bernabe Zapata Miralles VS Ugo Humbert
Followed By
Mayar Sherif VS Linda Fruhvirtova
Followed By
Qualifier vs Camila Giorgi
Not Before 5:00 Pm
Diego Schwartzman VS Federico Coria
Followed By
Qualifier VS Qualifier
STADIUM 4 Starts At 11:00 Am
Linda Noskova VS Irina-Camelia Begu
Followed By
Jason Kubler VS Lorenzo Sonego
Followed By
Jiri Lehecka VS Arthur Rinderknech
Followed By
Qualifier vs M Kostyuk
Followed By
Qualifier vs J Tiechmann
STADIUM 5 Starts At 11:00 Am
Ilya Ivashka VS Roman Safiullin
Followed By
Pedro Cachin VS Nikoloz Basilashvili
Followed By
Qualifier VS Roberto Carballes Baena
STADIUM 6 Starts At 11:00 Am
(WC) Ann Li VS Anna Blinkova
Followed By
(WC) Dayana Yastremska VS Anna Bondar
Followed By
WTA TBC -
Qualifier vs Qualifier
STADIUM 7 Starts At 11:00 Am
Laslo Djere VS Oscar Otte
Followed By
Emil Ruusuvuori VS Constant Lestienne
Followed By
Daniel Elahi Galan VS Qualifier
STADIUM 8 Starts At 11:00 Am
Evgeniya Rodina VS Alizé Cornet
Followed By
WTA TBC
Qualifier vs Qualifier
Followed By
WTA TBC
Qualifier vs Qualifier
by martini4me Men's and women's draws start play on the same day this year? I recall the women all started a day earlier here (and in Miami).
by ashkor87 strangely enough, good volleyers can also do well on a slow court.. because they DO have a way to finish the point.. so BHM, Leylah, Krejcikova can do well here.. among the men, the only GOOD volleyers in the world are Nadal, Kyrgios and Murray.. last year, Nadal came to the net a lot against Alcaraz and was practically unpassable..
on a slow court, you need a way to finish the point, just hanging about at the back and returning the ball wont do, everyone can do that nowadays..
Even in era gone by..Noah best all comers on clay by coming to the net.. of course, he had no other shots so he had to, but he had a great serve, and that plus his volleying ability was enough to beat even Wilander at RG...l
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:38 am
strangely enough, good volleyers can also do well on a slow court.. because they DO have a way to finish the point.. so BHM, Leylah, Krejcikova can do well here.. among the men, the only GOOD volleyers in the world are Nadal, Kyrgios and Murray.. last year, Nadal came to the net a lot against Alcaraz and was practically unpassable..
on a slow court, you need a way to finish the point, just hanging about at the back and returning the ball wont do, everyone can do that nowadays..
Even in era gone by..Noah best all comers on clay by coming to the net.. of course, he had no other shots so he had to, but he had a great serve, and that plus his volleying ability was enough to beat even Wilander at RG...l
Noah was a "serve and approach" player, indeed, but that was 1983, with nobody playing with a racquet worth a lick to generate power by itself. Wilander's Rossignol F200 was a 14.5 oz club that only generated power the old-fashioned way: he had to swing it like a cricket bat. Lendl's Adidas GTX (really a Kneissl) weighted 15 oz, and recently retired Borg played with that Borg Pro at 16 oz.
So Noah could approach and volley because Wilander had to swing at the ball, not stab it.
And, let's be honest. Noah's win is in the list of "flukes". He was a fine player, but he never even made another Slam final. A fine volleyer indeed, he made the Wimby 3R twice, and on Aussie SF, when it was played on grass. I really liked him but... great he was not.
by meganfernandez Fritz's reverse serve last night. I need to see a chiropractor just from watching it.
by ponchi101 At the club I played in in Caracas, there was a guy that only served that way. All his serves were reversed. It was quite interesting and it drove a lot of people crazy. Of course, he did not have the speed, but the spin made it complicated for many.
by JTContinental Alize Cornet is 1-6 to start the year now, and her only win is against Maria Carle at the United Cup.
by ti-amie Doubles Draw - ATP
(1) Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski vs Marcelo Melo/Alexander Zverev
(PR) Frances Tiafoe/Stan Wawrinka vs Roberto Bautista Agut/Pablo Carreno Busta
Taylor Fritz/Tommy Paul vs Daniel Evans/John Peers
Jamie Murray/Michael Venus vs (6) Marcel Granollers/Horacio Zeballos
(4) Nikola Mektic/Mate Pavic vs (PR) Casper Ruud/Dominic Thiem
Santiago Gonzalez/Edouard Roger-Vasselin vs (WC) Nathaniel Lammons/Jackson Withrow
(WC) Marcos Giron/J.J. Wolf vs (WC) Jannik Sinner/Lorenzo Sonego
Matwe Middelkoop/Botic van de Zandschulp vs (5) Lloyd Glasspool/Harri Heliovaara
(8) Juan Sebastian Cabal/Robert Farah vs Simone Bolelli/Fabio Fognini
Rinky Hijikata/Jason Kubler vs Austin Krajicek/Mackenzie McDonald
Karen Khachanov/Andrey Rublev vs Kevin Krawietz/Fabrice Martin
John Isner/Jack Sock vs (3) Marcelo Arevalo/Jean-Julien Rojer
(7) Hugo Nys/Jan Zielinski vs Lucas Miedler/Cameron Norrie
Felix Auger-Aliassime/Denis Shapovalov vs Holger Rune/Ben Shelton
Rafael Matos/David Vega Hernandez vs Rohan Bopanna/Matthew Ebden
Grigor Dimitrov/Hubert Hurkacz vs (2) Rajeev Ram/Joe Salisbury
by ti-amie Doubles Draw - WTA
CZE B. Krejcikova/CZE K. Siniakova (1) vs RUS V. Kudermetova/RUS L. Samsonova
TPE H. Chan/TPE L. Chan vs CAN L. Fernandez/USA T. Townsend
HUN A. Bondar/BEL K. Zimmermann vs USA D. Collins/USA P. Stearns
ESP P. Badosa/KAZ E. Rybakina vs AUS S. Hunter/BEL E. Mertens (6)
USA D. Krawczyk/NED D. Schuurs (4) vs CRO P. Martic/CZE K. Pliskova
POL M. Linette/USA C. McNally vs ROU M. Niculescu/POL A. Rosolska
NOR U. Eikeri/JPN M. Ninomiya vs JPN S. Aoyama/JPN E. Shibahara
CAN B. Andreescu/KAZ Y. Putintseva vs USA N. Melichar-Martinez/AUS E. Perez (8)
MEX G. Olmos/CHN S. Zhang (7) vs RUS A. Panova/USA A. Parks
RUS D. Kasatkina/ITA M. Trevisan vs USA C. Dolehide/USA M. Keys
JPN E. Hozumi/RUS Y. Sizikova vs BRA B. Haddad Maia/GER L. Siegemund
UKR M. Kostyuk/ROU E. Ruse vs UKR L. Kichenok/LAT J. Ostapenko (3)
CHN Y. Xu/CHN Z. Yang (5) vs CHI A. Guarachi/NZL E. Routliffe
CAN G. Dabrowski/BRA L. Stefani vs KAZ A. Danilina/USA A. Muhammad
BEL K. Flipkens/USA B. Mattek-Sands vs JPN M. Kato/INA A. Sutjiadi
CZE M. Kolodziejova/CZE M. Vondrousova vs USA C. Gauff/USA J. Pegula (2)
by ti-amie Thursday, March 09, 2023 Day 4
STADIUM 1 Starts At 11:00 Am
(LL) Dalma Galfi VS Danielle Collins
Followed By
Danka Kovinic VS Emma Raducanu
Followed By
Tomas Martin Etcheverry VS Andy Murray
Not Before 6:00 PM
Sloane Stephens VS (WC) Sofia Kenin
Followed By
Gregoire Barrere VS (WC) Jack Sock
STADIUM 2 Starts At 11:00 Am
(PR) Stan Wawrinka VS (Q) Aleksandar Vukic
Followed By
Ben Shelton VS Fabio Fognini
Followed By
Yulia Putintseva VS Karolina Muchova
Not Before 6:00 Pm
(WC) Dominic Thiem VS Adrian Mannarino
Followed By
(WC) Emma Navarro VS (WC) Caty McNally
STADIUM 3 Starts At 11:00 Am
Mackenzie McDonald VS Filip Krajinovic
Followed By
(Q) Thanasi Kokkinakis VS (WC) Brandon Holt
Followed By
J.J. Wolf VS Marton Fucsovics
Not Before 5:00 PM
Claire Liu VS (LL) Anna Karolina Schmiedlova
Followed By
Maryna Zanevska VS Lauren Davis
STADIUM 4 Starts At 11:00 Am
Bernarda Pera VS Lucia Bronzetti
Followed By
Marketa Vondrousova VS Rebecca Marino
Followed By
(Q) Rebeka Masarova VS (WC) Peyton Stearns
Not Before 5:00 Pm
Taylor Fritz/Tommy Paul VS Daniel Evans/John Peers
Followed By
Felix Auger-Aliassime/Denis Shapovalov VS Holger Rune/Ben Shelton
STADIUM 5 Starts At 11:00 Am
(Q) Leandro Riedi VS Jack Draper
Followed By
Thiago Monteiro VS (PR) Guido Pella
Followed By
Pedro Martinez VS Marc-Andrea Huesler
Followed By
(Q) Borna Gojo VS Richard Gasquet
Followed By
(LL) Alexei Popyrin VS (Q) Zhizhen Zhang
STADIUM 6 Starts At 11:00 Am
(7) Hugo Nys/Jan Zielinski VS Lucas Miedler/Cameron Norrie
Followed By
(1) Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski VS Marcelo Melo/Alexander Zverev
Followed By
Grigor Dimitrov/Hubert Hurkacz VS (2) Rajeev Ram/Joe Salisbury
Followed By
Hao-Ching Chan/Latisha Chan VS (WC) Leylah Fernandez/Taylor Townsend
Followed By
(OSE) Daria Kasatkina/Martina Trevisan VS Caroline Dolehide/Madison Keys
STADIUM 7 Starts At 11:00 Am
(Q) Jan-Lennard Struff VS Quentin Halys
Followed By
Karen Khachanov/Andrey Rublev VS Kevin Krawietz/Fabrice Martin
Followed By
Alex Molcan VS Albert Ramos-Vinolas
Followed By
Mikael Ymer VS (Q) Rinky Hijikata
STADIUM 8 Starts At 11:00 Am
(Q) Ysaline Bonaventure VS (Q) Varvara Gracheva
Followed By
Tatjana Maria VS Jasmine Paolini
Followed By
Nuria Parrizas Diaz VS Elisabetta Cocciaretto
Followed By
(4) Desirae Krawczyk/Demi Schuurs VS (OSE) Petra Martic/Karolina Pliskova
STADIUM 9 Starts At 11:00 Am
Katerina Siniakova VS Jule Niemeier
Followed By
Sorana Cirstea VS (Q) Kimberly Birrell
Followed By
(Q) Laura Siegemund VS Madison Brengle
Followed By
(7) Giuliana Olmos/Shuai Zhang VS Alexandra Panova/Alycia Parks
by ashkor87 The Infosys prediction - probability of win in each match is based on data...if our judgment beats that, it will tell us our judgment is better than data and analytics.. First up..Kenin vs Sloane..prediction is 50-50. If Kenin is fit (no clue about that) she will win..the court is too slow for Sloane. Let us see what happens.
by ti-amie Munar argued, to no avail, that he should've gotten the point because Wu's racquet touched the net before the ball bounced the second time. There was a problem with the replay system though. Munar was the beneficiary of a questionable call in the first set.
by
ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:06 am
The Infosys prediction - probability of win in each match is based on data...if our judgment beats that, it will tell us our judgment is better than data and analytics.. First up..Kenin vs Sloane..prediction is 50-50. If Kenin is fit (no clue about that) she will win..the court is too slow for Sloane. Let us see what happens.
Sure. But you need to know how to read the data.
In tennis, we are always constrained by the "Law of small numbers". When you see that somebody has a 3-2 H2H, for true statistics that means nothing. The sample space is too small.
As a rule of thumb, anything with a sample of less than 15 events is basically non-deterministic. And it cuts both ways. If you beat the Infosys prediction once, it means very little. You would have to beat it by a statistically significant margin to claim that your judgement is better than analytics.
So. If you believe that Kenin is healthy, and she will therefore win, I cannot disagree. But I agree because Sloane has been playing very poorly.
by Scoob This situation is extremely tough because it was at match point. Munar should have won the point. The main point in this situation is the ball as it crosses the net must bounce twice before a racquet or any part of the player touches the net. On the replay that definitely did not happen. The problem as stated above is the replay at the time was not working and the chair umpire could not focus on everything that was happening all at once. Wu won the match.
by ashkor87 I take it back.. the model only says 50-50, cant be wrong, really. Not a good test.
by
Deuce ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:06 am
Munar argued, to no avail, that he should've gotten the point because Wu's racquet touched the net before the ball bounced the second time. There was a problem with the replay system though. Munar was the beneficiary of a questionable call in the first set.
^ Very interesting situation...
In the end, I believe that Munar is right. If the player, his.her clothes, shoes, socks, or racquet hits the net before the point is officially over (ie before the ball bounces twice), he/she loses the point.
It is true that Munar had no chance to reach the dive volley shot - but that is irrelevant to the rule. The rule is there for a reason. In this case, it could be said that Wu could not have hit that shot without having his racquet hit the net - so this nullifies the shot.
The only question, I feel, would be whether Wu was still holding the racquet when it touched the net. If yes, he loses the point - period. If not, I don't know what the rule states about a racquet touching the net before the second bounce if the player is not holding it.
To me, this could be the only way that Wu could claim the point - if the rule states that a raquet is allowed to touch the net before the second bounce if the player is not touching a part of the racquet when it touches the net.
I will ask my umpire friends about this case when I get the chance.
by ti-amie The match by the way was pretty good.
by Deuce InfoSys predictions lack one important element: Common Sense.
Therefore, any knowledgeable tennis fan will completely ignore it as nonsense.
It is the equivalent of having an 8 year old pick the potential winner of a match. While the 8 year old may pick the winner based only on the 'cool' colour of the player's shoes, or racquet, InfoSys will pick the potential winner based only on numbers and the calculation it is programmed to make.
I have seen that ridiculous InfoSys prediction be wrong more than it is right. And it changes its prediction percentages based on irrelevant elements. It clearly does not understand tennis - which is not at all surprising, as it is just software or whatever.
In the end, the 8 year old kid would have just as much chance of picking the actual winner as InfoSys does.
by ashkor87 I don't expect Parks to get past Kalinskaya today...
by Deuce Kostyuk is out in the 1st round - three 7-5 sets to Rebecca Peterson.
And I am happy that the tournament, the fans, and the players won't have to deal with her negative disrespect toward selected fellow players - at least not in singles.
by Deuce Kalinskaya beat Parks 6-1, 6-1 in 56 minutes.
In exactly what year do you think Parks will win Wimbledon?
by
ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:23 am
As a rule of thumb, anything with a sample of less than 15 events is basically non-deterministic.
which is why we should not rely on all this in a discussion on tennis
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Deuce Deuce wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:27 am
ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:06 am
Munar argued, to no avail, that he should've gotten the point because Wu's racquet touched the net before the ball bounced the second time. There was a problem with the replay system though. Munar was the beneficiary of a questionable call in the first set.
^ Very interesting situation...
In the end, I believe that Munar is right. If the player, his.her clothes, shoes, socks, or racquet hits the net before the point is officially over (ie before the ball bounces twice), he/she loses the point.
It is true that Munar had no chance to reach the dive volley shot - but that is irrelevant to the rule. The rule is there for a reason. In this case, it could be said that Wu could not have hit that shot without having his racquet hit the net - so this nullifies the shot.
The only question, I feel, would be whether Wu was still holding the racquet when it touched the net. If yes, he loses the point - period. If not, I don't know what the rule states about a racquet touching the net before the second bounce if the player is not holding it.
To me, this could be the only way that Wu could claim the point - if the rule states that a raquet is allowed to touch the net before the second bounce if the player is not touching a part of the racquet when it touches the net.
I will ask my umpire friends about this case when I get the chance.
I asked one of my umpire friends about this - I sent him the video, and we talked about it on the phone.
He said that it's pretty black & white - that it should have been Munar's point (and thus that the tiebreak should have continued).
He said that if the player or any part of his/her paraphernalia (racquet, clothing, wristband, hat, shoes, etc.) touches the net before the point is officially over (second bounce of the ball), that player loses the point.
He said that even if the player's vibration dampener flies into the net before the point is over, that player loses the point. The player does not have to be in physical contact with the item that touches the net, he said.
I wonder if there will be any follow-up to this situation - and if there is, I wonder if we'll hear about it. If my umpire friend is correct, I expect that the chair umpire in that match will get a talking to.
(I assume that my umpire friend is right, as he is pretty astute with the rules - but then, he is only a white badge chair umpire, and is more often on the court as a linesperson than he is in the chair
).
by Scoob It all comes down to if a player or a player's piece of equipment/clothing touches the net with or without contact to them before the ball bounces on the other side of the net twice regardless if his/her opponent can retrieve that said ball. The player who touches the net or equipment touches the net loses the point and the point. Munar should have won the point.
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ashkor87 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:06 am
The Infosys prediction - probability of win in each match is based on data...if our judgment beats that, it will tell us our judgment is better than data and analytics.. First up..Kenin vs Sloane..prediction is 50-50. If Kenin is fit (no clue about that) she will win..the court is too slow for Sloane. Let us see what happens.
Now the predictor says 52% Kenin!! I wonder what new intelligence it acquired in 24 hours!
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:34 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:06 am
The Infosys prediction - probability of win in each match is based on data...if our judgment beats that, it will tell us our judgment is better than data and analytics.. First up..Kenin vs Sloane..prediction is 50-50. If Kenin is fit (no clue about that) she will win..the court is too slow for Sloane. Let us see what happens.
Now the predictor says 52% Kenin!! I wonder what new intelligence it acquired in 24 hours!
Bets were placed on either side.
Let's say that 100 people are betting on Kenin. For example, Ashkor01 through Ashkor101 posted bets, and a considerable number of them put their money on Kenin. Those are new data, and the algorithm takes them into account. So, most likely, a few more people are betting on Kenin and now the odds are reflecting that.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:14 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:23 am
As a rule of thumb, anything with a sample of less than 15 events is basically non-deterministic.
which is why we should not rely on all this in a discussion on tennis
Why not? It's just data. You look at it, and decide how much weight you want to put on it.
An example. At Wimby last year, Iga looked uncomfortable. And, before the Alize match, I said Iga would lose. And she did.
Hooray! Ponchi101 is a genius! No, not really. That time, I saw at some data, saw Iga playing, and felt that Alize had a better chance. I got a bit lucky.
And the day when I said that Djokovic would not win the Tour Finals, I did not become an idiot. I had my reasons. Ended up being wrong, but I tried to look at the whole picture and felt somebody would tag him.
It is just data. And, when you have so little of it, you try to do the best you can. Hey, you claimed that Iga had over 50% chance of winning the Aussie. You were wrong, but that does not make any of your analysis useless. Simply, the other 50% chance won.
by ti-amie This is the point in the first set that was a bit controversial and resulted in a long conversation with the chair.
by ponchi101 I can't tell.
Can't the new hawk-eye tell if it is a double bounce?
by ponchi101 Alicia Parks out in R1, 1 & 1.
A tough match up, but together with Kostyuk, another player that recently had success and now the wheels fell off again.
by ti-amie Galfi took the first set 6-4 from Collins and just broke her for a 2-1 lead in the second set. Collins is not sitting down during the changeover.
by ti-amie It looks like Collins woke up. She's 4-2 second set.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:10 pm
Alicia Parks out in R1, 1 & 1.
A tough match up, but together with Kostyuk, another player that recently had success and now the wheels fell off again.
Parks' success seems to be almost entirely indoors. I think a tennis journalist I follow calls her the Indoor Queen or something in that vicinity (which is a stretch, but you get the idea). Those wheels were shaky the moment she left the European Indoor Tournaments. Until she figures out how to work with the elements more consistently, I think she's going to be on a cycle of impressive to not so much in the blink of an eye.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:13 pm
Galfi took the first set 6-4 from Collins and just broke her for a 2-1 lead in the second set.
Collins is not sitting down during the changeover.
That's a very regular thing for her FYI, not an indication of anything.
by JazzNU Galfi has a nice looking game. I can't remember why she hasn't been doing much on the pro tour, but maybe she just needed time to adjust a la Badosa and she'll make a push up the rankings this year. I'm certainly not seeing a big reason why she can't and shouldn't be ranked higher watching her play Danielle today.
Also, super cute kit. I'm not a pink person at all, so my preference would be for a different color combo, but still, very cute.
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ti-amie You can tell I don't watch her matches that often!
Galfi is serving for the match at 6-4, 5-4.
by ti-amie Galfi serves out the match vs Collins to love. It's the little things that are causing Collins problems. She can still hit the ball through the court but her foot work and mental agility aren't there atm. TBH I've never heard of Galfi before.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:49 pm
Galfi serves out the match vs Collins to love. It's the little things that are causing Collins problems. She can still hit the ball through the court but her foot work and mental agility aren't there atm. TBH I've never heard of Galfi before.
Don't remember much about her, but she was a highly ranked junior at one point. She won at least one GS Junior title.
by ti-amie Kovinic breaks Raducanu to go up 2-0 first set.
Raducanu breaks back to 15.
by Scoob Looking forward to see what Rebecca Marino can do in her first match.
by ti-amie Raducanu is up 4-2 first set.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:14 pm
Kovinic breaks Raducanu to go up 2-0 first set.
Raducanu breaks back to 15.
Didn't even realize she was playing right now because her match isn't on TC. I'm gonna call that growth and I'm happy we're finally here.
by ti-amie I'm watching on my tablet via the App. Who is TC showing from the WTA?
Raducanu should win this match. I don't think Kovinic has played much lately not that she has either...
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:39 pm
I'm watching on my tablet via the App. Who is TC showing from the WTA?
Raducanu should win this match. I don't think Kovinic has played much lately.
No one (as usual). Ben Shelton is playing Fognini right now. I have many objections to TC's match selections, but this is one where it makes sense, so no complaints this time around.
I don't think she's been winning much, but Kovinic has been playing recently. Emma hasn't played since the Aussie Open.
by Scoob How many games has Emma won in a row now? I see she has won the 1st set 6-2.
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ti-amie Scoob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:47 pm
How many games has Emma won in a row now? I see she has won the 1st set 6-2.
Six?
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Scoob ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:52 pm
Scoob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:47 pm
How many games has Emma won in a row now? I see she has won the 1st set 6-2.
Six?
Now it looks like she has started the 2nd set the same way she started the 2nd set in a 0-2 hole.
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ti-amie Scoob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:53 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:52 pm
Scoob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:47 pm
How many games has Emma won in a row now? I see she has won the 1st set 6-2.
Six?
Now it looks like she has started the 2nd set the same way she started the 2nd set in a 0-2 hole.
And has just broken back.
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Scoob ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:59 pm
Scoob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:53 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:52 pm
Six?
Now it looks like she has started the 2nd set the same way she started the 2nd set in a 0-2 hole.
And has just broken back.
It would be a real shock if she rolls off another 6 games and mirrors the 1st set.
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ti-amie Scoob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:01 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:59 pm
Scoob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:53 pm
Now it looks like she has started the 2nd set the same way she started the 2nd set in a 0-2 hole.
And has just broken back.
It would be a real shock if she rolls off another 6 games and mirrors the 1st set.
I was just going to say that if Kovinic doesn't hold here this match is pretty much done. She didn't and Raducanu is up 3-2.
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Scoob ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:08 pm
Scoob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:01 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:59 pm
And has just broken back.
It would be a real shock if she rolls off another 6 games and mirrors the 1st set.
I was just going to say that if Kovinic doesn't hold here this match is pretty much done. She didn't and Raducanu is up 3-2.
Raducanu is up 4-2 now. It does look like Kovinic holds to get to 4-3 and only a break down.
by ti-amie Uh don't look at Marino's match Canadians. Vondrousova is romping right now.
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Scoob ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:30 pm
Uh don't look at Marino's match Canadians. Vondrousova is romping right now.
Marino won't win if she keeps serving her 1st serve at 43%.
by ponchi101 We have been a bit on the down side with Emma for a while now, and we can't be blamed. She has done very little as of late.
But she is still a USO Champ, and we saw her game in 2021. She can play. So, maybe after the mother of all sophomore jinxes is over, she may be ready to re-enter the conversation.
I hope so. And Kovinic is not an easy out, so that is a good win. Linette, next in line, is a winnable match.
by patrick Until the situation improves, it looks like 2021 USO will be a fluke for Raducanu
by ponchi101 Sure. But, as I said when she won. NO player has ever won a slam before turning 20 that did not win at least another one, in the WTA. For the men, only Chang.
She has a long career ahead of her. I can wait.
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Scoob ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:28 pm
Sure. But, as I said when she won. NO player has ever won a slam before turning 20 that did not win at least another one, in the WTA. For the men, only Chang.
She has a long career ahead of her. I can wait.
Plus wasn't she also either a Wild card or a Qualifier when she won the US Open?
by JTContinental I don't think it's completely over for Raducanu, but she does need to grow up and leave her helicopter parents on the sidelines.
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nelslus Scoob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:43 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:28 pm
Sure. But, as I said when she won. NO player has ever won a slam before turning 20 that did not win at least another one, in the WTA. For the men, only Chang.
She has a long career ahead of her. I can wait.
Plus wasn't she also either a Wild card or a Qualifier when she won the US Open?
Qualifier. And, she didn't drop a set in any of her matches.
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Scoob nelslus wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:53 pm
Scoob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:43 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:28 pm
Sure. But, as I said when she won. NO player has ever won a slam before turning 20 that did not win at least another one, in the WTA. For the men, only Chang.
She has a long career ahead of her. I can wait.
Plus wasn't she also either a Wild card or a Qualifier when she won the US Open?
Qualifier. And, she didn't drop a set in any of her matches.
That is having to play a lot of matches in a two week period and she was 18 years old at the time. That feat was completely unexpected. I think if she just had a normal US Open that year and went onto play out her career to where she is right now, I think we all would have a totally different perspective on her game and outlook on her game.
She is only 20 years old and has a lot more time for improvement in her game.It is totally up to her and the people she surrounds herself with if she does improve and moves up.
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ponchi101 JTContinental wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:52 pm
I don't think it's completely over for Raducanu,
but she does need to grow up and leave her helicopter parents on the sidelines.
I said it before. She MUST talk to Caro Garcia (for whom it might have been too late).
Actually, Caroline could make a killing talking to a lot of players. But I digress.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:01 pm
We have been a bit on the down side with Emma for a while now, and we can't be blamed. She has done very little as of late.
But she is still a USO Champ, and we saw her game in 2021. She can play. So, maybe after the mother of all sophomore jinxes is over, she may be ready to re-enter the conversation.
I hope so. And Kovinic is not an easy out, so that is a good win. Linette, next in line, is a winnable match.
I'm down on her because she has been relentlessly shoved down my throat even after she did jacksh!t after that USO win. I didn't have any true dislike for her and still don't, but I became very annoyed with the way they were force feeding her to me and it became entirely too much. And really, if people will remember, it started at Wimbledon, not at the US Open. I think it was Mubadala Open in CA where they gave her a wild card and there were a healthy number of replies that were like, it's fine to give her a wild card, but don't announce it like some HOF just said yes, which they indeed had done. It was a lot. And it got appreciably worse after the US Open. Had she kept winning, a la Bianca, then so be it. But she didn't. And it's not like she torched thru some murderer's row to get her US Open title either. It made it worse especially because it was like they weren't watching her matches as they kept acting like she was looking amazing out there and she didn't. She wasn't just losing after the USO, she couldn't rack up a win against a player in the top 50 I believe. I think it took her well into 2022 before that occurred. She had an epic two weeks in NYC for sure, but that's it. Others who have won titles haven't gotten even a tenth of this kind of PR from the various organizations.
Let her quietly get back into the conversation on her own, don't overstate her wins when she does get them, and if she does something actually noteworthy, then let me know. People, me included, will be more open to her if they just let her win over fans on her own, without the aggressive assist from the organizations desperate for her to take off.
by ashkor87 Galfi win the USO junior title in 2015...usually,junior champions start making their mark about 3 years later...she is a bit late, but maybe covid and lockdown can be blamed .2 years grace...
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JazzNU ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:31 am
Galfi win the USO junior title in 2015...usually,junior champions start making their mark about 3 years later...she is a bit late, but maybe covid and lockdown can be blamed .2 years grace...
She's really not though. I believe Ons won hers in 2011 and Paula won in 2014 or 2015. There is no set script for when junior girls champions find success on the pro tour, only that many of them are able to eventually.
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Deuce ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:28 pm
Sure. But, as I said when she won. NO player has ever won a slam before turning 20 that did not win at least another one, in the WTA. For the men, only Chang.
She has a long career ahead of her. I can wait.
We must also remember that the 2021 was still in the midst of the COVID-19 restrictions that messed everything up - from players' psyches and their physical health to the running of tournaments to the tournament atmosphere, etc...
Without COVID-19, I think it's very safe to say that we would not have seen a Leylah - Emma Final.
by ashkor87 Medvedev could go down to Nakashima today...I just don't see Medvedev doing well here..but how well can he do?
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Scoob ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:47 am
Medvedev could go down to Nakashima today...I just don't see Medvedev doing well here..but how well can he do?
I think Medvedev will win over Nakashima, but it will be a test for him. The match I think that could be an upset is the Rublev and Lehecka match. Lehecka has been playing some really strong tennis lately and Rublev could be tired.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:47 am
Medvedev could go down to Nakashima today...I just don't see Medvedev doing well here..but how well can he do?
Could? Sure. But will? Daniil is playing solid again, his defense is up again, and Nakashima has few weapons.
Plus, and this applies to Rublev too: his last match lasted 1:12 hours. He should have plenty on the tank.
Daniil in two.
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Scoob ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:21 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:47 am
Medvedev could go down to Nakashima today...I just don't see Medvedev doing well here..but how well can he do?
Could? Sure. But will? Daniil is playing solid again, his defense is up again, and Nakashima has few weapons.
Plus, and this applies to Rublev too: his last match lasted 1:12 hours. He should have plenty on the tank.
Daniil in two.
You have to agree that Lehecka is playing some really good tennis right now?
by ponchi101 Sure. If Lehecka beats Rublev, I will not be surprised. He is playing quality tennis.
And I will not claim the reason for such a victory would be Rublev's fatigue. As I said, Rublev had a good week last week, but it was not exhausting. Fatigue will not be a factor (other than in-match fatigue, if it gets to be a monstrous 3 setter).
by ti-amie March 10 Day 5
STADIUM 1 11:00 AM PT
ARG Diego Schwartzman vs NOR Casper Ruud [3]
FOLLOWED BY
AUS Jordan Thompson vs GRE Stefanos Tsitsipas [2]
NOT BEFORE 3:00 PM
GRE Maria Sakkari [7] vs USA Shelby Rogers
NOT BEFORE 6:00 PM
RUS Daniil Medvedev [5] vs USA Brandon Nakashima
NOT BEFORE 8:00 PM
ITA Camila Giorgi vs USA Jessica Pegula [3]
STADIUM 2 11:00 AM PT
SUI Jil Teichmann vs SUI Belinda Bencic [9]
FOLLOWED BY
RUS Evgeniya Rodina vs BLR Aryna Sabalenka [2]
FOLLOWED BY
ARG Pedro Cachin vs GER Alexander Zverev [12]
NOT BEFORE 6:00 PM
USA Coco Gauff [6] vs ESP Cristina Bucsa
FOLLOWED BY
USA Frances Tiafoe [14] vs USA Marcos Giron
STADIUM 3 11:00 AM PT
TPE Tung-Lin Wu vs GBR Cameron Norrie [10]
FOLLOWED BY
CZE Barbora Krejcikova [16] vs UKR Dayana Yastremska
FOLLOWED BY
CZE Petra Kvitova [15] vs USA Elizabeth Mandlik
NOT BEFORE 5:00 PM
ITA Matteo Berrettini [20] vs JPN Taro Daniel
FOLLOWED BY
RUS Andrey Rublev [6] vs CZE Jiri Lehecka
STADIUM 4 11:00 AM PT
BLR Aliaksandra Sasnovich vs LAT Jelena Ostapenko [24]
FOLLOWED BY
AUS Jason Kubler vs BUL Grigor Dimitrov [21]
UPCOMING
FRA Ugo Humbert vs CAN Denis Shapovalov [25]
NOT BEFORE 5:00 PM
CZE Karolina Pliskova [17] vs RUS Anna Kalinskaya
FOLLOWED BY
CZE Linda Noskova vs USA Amanda Anisimova [31]
STADIUM 5 11:00 AM PT
JPN Yoshihito Nishioka [29] vs CHI Cristian Garin
FOLLOWED BY
ESP Roberto Bautista Agut [22] vs FIN Emil Ruusuvuori
UPCOMING
USA Maxime Cressy [32] vs CHI Alejandro Tabilo
UPCOMING
RUS Karen Khachanov [13] vs GER Oscar Otte
STADIUM 6 11:00 AM PT
COL Juan Sebastian Cabal [8]/COL Robert Farah [8] vs ITA Simone Bolelli/ITA Fabio Fognini
FOLLOWED BY
CAN Bianca Andreescu/KAZ Yulia Putintseva vs USA Nicole Melichar-Martinez [8]/AUS Ellen Perez [8]
NOT BEFORE 2:30 PM
POL Magda Linette/USA Caty McNally vs ROU Monica Niculescu/POL Alicja Rosolska
FOLLOWED BY
USA John Isner/USA Jack Sock vs ESA Marcelo Arevalo [3]/NED Jean-Julien Rojer [3]
UPCOMING
AUS Rinky Hijikata/AUS Jason Kubler vs USA Austin Krajicek/USA Mackenzie McDonald
STADIUM 7 11:00 AM PT
BLR Ilya Ivashka vs NED Botic van de Zandschulp [28]
FOLLOWED BY
GBR Jamie Murray/NZL Michael Venus vs ESP Marcel Granollers [6]/ARG Horacio Zeballos [6]
UPCOMING
CHN Yibing Wu vs ESP Alejandro Davidovich Fokina [23]
UPCOMING
BRA Rafael Matos/ESP David Vega Hernandez vs IND Rohan Bopanna/AUS Matthew Ebden
STADIUM 8 11:00 AM PT
CZE Linda Fruhvirtova vs UKR Anhelina Kalinina [27]
FOLLOWED BY
RUS Anastasia Potapova [26] vs CHN Xiyu Wang
FOLLOWED BY
CHN Xinyu Wang vs RUS Ekaterina Alexandrova [18]
FOLLOWED BY
JPN Eri Hozumi/RUS Yana Sizikova vs BRA Beatriz Haddad Maia/GER Laura Siegemund
STADIUM 9 11:00 AM PT
CRO Donna Vekic [29] vs UKR Lesia Tsurenko
FOLLOWED BY
RUS Anna Blinkova vs RUS Veronika Kudermetova [11]
FOLLOWED BY
CHN Shuai Zhang [22] vs SWE Rebecca Peterson
FOLLOWED BY
HUN Anna Bondar/BEL Kimberley Zimmermann vs USA Danielle Collins/USA Peyton Stearns
by ti-amie Peyton Stearns is about to take out Masarova - and she does 4-6, 6-4, 6-4 in front of a full house.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:28 pm
Sure. But, as I said when she won. NO player has ever won a slam before turning 20 that did not win at least another one, in the WTA. For the men, only Chang.
She has a long career ahead of her. I can wait.
I've seen you mention this before about Emma, but it seems like something you're pulling out only for her these days. Serious question. Are you pulling out that stat when talking about Bianca? Because I haven't seen you mention it with her in a long time.
And the "turning 20" seems arbitrary to me. Ostapenko was like 20 years and 4 days when she won the French Open. I mean, she was 19 when the tournament began that year. Makes me wonder if there's another just turned 20 year old that ruins this statline.
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Scoob JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:49 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:28 pm
Sure. But, as I said when she won. NO player has ever won a slam before turning 20 that did not win at least another one, in the WTA. For the men, only Chang.
She has a long career ahead of her. I can wait.
I've seen you mention this before about Emma, but it seems like something you're pulling out only for her these days. Serious question. Are you pulling out that stat when talking about Bianca? Because I haven't seen you mention it with her in a long time.
And the "turning 20" seems arbitrary to me. Ostapenko was like 20 years and 4 days when she won the French Open. I mean, she was 19 when the tournament began that year. Makes me wonder if there's another just turned 20 year old that ruins this statline.
On the women's side I am not sure if there is a player you can put in that mold other than maybe Coco Gauff and I don't see her winning a major tournament before the age of 20.
As for the men's side that is a different story. There is Carlos Alcaraz, Holger Rune, and even the American Ben Shelton that could pull something like this off.
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martini4me ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:10 pm
Alicia Parks out in R1, 1 & 1.
A tough match up, but together with Kostyuk, another player that recently had success and now the wheels fell off again.
Zhu Lin is another who's been on a roll and lost first round.
by ashkor87 Vondrousova is one of the best players in the world on this kind of surface...look for her to beat many people..
by Deuce To the surprise of many, there was actually a winner in the Kenin - Stephens match.
Kenin - 6-4, 6-1.
Muchova over Putinseva in 3 sets...
And Rinky Hijikata had a good win over Mikael Ymer in the final round of qualifying.
by Deuce Thiem goes out at the hands of Mannarino in a 3rd set tiebreak.
The career paths of Thiem and Kenin are quite similar to this point...
Looking to tomorrow (Friday), potentially interesting WTA matches are...
Linda Fruhvirtova vs. Kalinina
Noskova vs. Anisimova
Kalinskaya vs. Pliskova
Mandlik vs. Kvitova (Mandlik, of course, has Czech roots with her mom... she beat Alison Riske yesterday... I like the way she plays, and see her as a top 30-ish player in a couple of years.)
Teichmann vs. Bencic (Teichmann probably knows Bencic's game better than anyone - they are both Swiss, and are good friends.)
Pegula vs. Giorgi (Giorgi is the WTA's answer to Fognini - a natural talent, and you never know what you're going to get from her - could be great, or terrible, or anything in between.)
by Deuce McNally - Navarro was 3 one-sided sets.
1-6, 6-1, 6-1 Navarro.
Caty was in complete control of the match in the 1st set - she made 4 unforced errors in that set. Then she made 35 unforced errors over the next 2 sets.
I watched the match, and can’t pinpoint anything that happened to turn the match around so radically.
Very disappointing for McNally, who had been playing well lately.
Navarro gets Leylah, who had a 1st round bye, in round 2.
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Suliso Can we say that "statistics" was right in predicting Kenin over Stephens?
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ashkor87 Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 7:50 am
Can we say that "statistics" was right in predicting Kenin over Stephens?
Atleast they were not wrong!!
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:55 pm
At the club I played in in Caracas, there was a guy that only served that way. All his serves were reversed. It was quite interesting and it drove a lot of people crazy. Of course, he did not have the speed, but the spin made it complicated for many.
What a nightmare. How is his spine not ruined?
by Scoob I expect Leylah to get by in her 2nd round match over Navarro, but whatever she did to turn around the match on McNally must have worked to force Caty into hitting more unforced errors. It could be an interesting match.
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ponchi101 JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:49 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:28 pm
Sure. But, as I said when she won. NO player has ever won a slam before turning 20 that did not win at least another one, in the WTA. For the men, only Chang.
She has a long career ahead of her. I can wait.
I've seen you mention this before about Emma, but it seems like something you're pulling out only for her these days. Serious question. Are you pulling out that stat when talking about Bianca? Because I haven't seen you mention it with her in a long time.
And the "turning 20" seems arbitrary to me. Ostapenko was like 20 years and 4 days when she won the French Open. I mean, she was 19 when the tournament began that year. Makes me wonder if there's another just turned 20 year old that ruins this statline.
I have actually never mentioned it regarding Bianca, and you are correct there. She was also under 20 when she won her USO.
I am not a fan of either player, nor am I a detractor. If neither ever wins big again I will not be worried. It is just a number to reflect how young Emma still is.
And the 20 yo cut is of course arbitrary. For example, Tracy Austin did win two slams before 20. And then the injuries derailed her. Not only that, she did very little other than those two USO (which is kind of odd to say: most players would kill for having a career with two USO's).
And your Ostapenko example is a great one. And there, I do have doubts she will win another big title again because of her reckless way of playing: everything has to be creamed.
Again, only pointing out that Emma is still young, and has had a very short career. I will still give her some time.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:18 am
Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 7:50 am
Can we say that "statistics" was right in predicting Kenin over Stephens?
Atleast they were not wrong!!
You are starting to sound like a politician.
And I apologize profusely for such an insult!
C'mon, Ashkor. That was a great example of stats. Some algorithm gave Kenin a slightly higher winning probability, which turned out to be "correct". Look at the data. Both players are:
Former Slam champions on hard courts
Former RG finalists.
1-0 H2H (Stephens, prior to the match).
Career highs: 3 and 4 (Sloane/Sofia).
It was a very close match to call. And then, surprise, it was a definitive win by Sofia.
So, there was very little to call this match one way or another. It was indeed 52-48.
And, BTW. If stats in sports did not matter, there would not be a brilliant, shiny city built in a desert in Nevada, raking in the profits. You have to look at it long term.
Kenin's chances tomorrow? I have no idea.
by Scoob Statistics... there is an entire profession based around it. Many make a lot of money off of it. Statistics as a college course tormented the hell out of me until I took the class with a Professor who was this old Japanese guy who had this method of teaching it in a way that made it simple for me. The following semester I became one of his student teacher's assistants for the class after failing miserably at it twice before with other professors.
by ashkor87 This was not much of a test of anything .judgment, data all agreed and the result was what they predicted. So no discrimination ..
by Scoob Here is where I go 0-2 for the day. For the Friday matches, I am going to attempt to select two upsets of the day. One from the Men's Draw and One from the Women's Draw and see how miserable it goes.
On the Men's side: Lehecka over Rublev
On the Women's side: Rogers over Sakkari
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New England Nitemare Scoob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:24 pm
Here is where I go 0-2 for the day. For the Friday matches, I am going to attempt to select two upsets of the day. One from the Men's Draw and One from the Women's Draw and see how miserable it goes.
On the Men's side: Lehecka over Rublev
On the Women's side: Rogers over Sakkari
Scoob, you could be right on with those picks. Sakkari has been kinda shaky lately, and Lehecka has had one heck of a season so far. Should be interesting to see what happens!!!
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Scoob New England Nitemare wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:35 pm
Scoob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:24 pm
Here is where I go 0-2 for the day. For the Friday matches, I am going to attempt to select two upsets of the day. One from the Men's Draw and One from the Women's Draw and see how miserable it goes.
On the Men's side: Lehecka over Rublev
On the Women's side: Rogers over Sakkari
Scoob, you could be right on with those picks. Sakkari has been kinda shaky lately, and Lehecka has had one heck of a season so far. Should be interesting to see what happens!!!
It could happen, with the way my predictions usually go it probably won't but it will be interesting to watch. I hope at least one of these will be televised up here.
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martini4me Deuce wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:08 am
Thiem goes out at the hands of Mannarino in a 3rd set tiebreak.
The career paths of Thiem and Kenin are quite similar to this point...
Well, the last 3 1/2 years have a lot of similarities.
But Thiem is over 5 years older, so I don't think you can say their CAREER arcs are that similar.
by ti-amie I have Yastremska vs Krejcikova on. I'm not exactly sure why though...
by Scoob Vekic snubs Tsurenko after the match. She didn't even go to the net for the handshake. Not really sure why. I didn't watch the match. Just saw the highlight of when the match ended. Tsurenko even went over to Vekic who was packing up her bag and she didn't even acknowledge her at all.
by ponchi101 Bencic out to Teichmann, in a rather strange match.
I had to look at Tsureno and Vekic's flags to make sure. Why the snub? Let's she if she gets asked in the presser.
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ti-amie Scoob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:39 pm
Vekic snubs Tsurenko after the match. She didn't even go to the net for the handshake. Not really sure why. I didn't watch the match. Just saw the highlight of when the match ended. Tsurenko even went over to Vekic who was packing up her bag and she didn't even acknowledge her at all.
That is odd.
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nelslus I watched much of the third set of the Vekic loss. Other than Tsurenko smiling after some winners and such- no over-celebrating at all- I sure can't figure out why Vekic snubbed Tsurenko.
I also watched some of the third set of the Bencic loss. Teichmann played some outstanding tennis to go up 5-1- with Bencic doing her usual grouchy and sulking Lady Macbeth act- at which point Bencic got better, Teichmann showed some nerves, but played well enough to win it 6-3 in the third. Which, of course, is all that matters.
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nelslus ....AND since, odds are, Petra would lose to Mandlikova- I am not getting anywhere near Kvitova's match with her daughter.
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Scoob ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:50 pm
Scoob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:39 pm
Vekic snubs Tsurenko after the match. She didn't even go to the net for the handshake. Not really sure why. I didn't watch the match. Just saw the highlight of when the match ended. Tsurenko even went over to Vekic who was packing up her bag and she didn't even acknowledge her at all.
That is odd.
When she didn't even acknowledge her when she walked over to her bench while she was packing her bag, Vekic must have been pissed about something.
by ti-amie
From what I've read there was some gamesmanship by Tsurenko?
by Deuce Would that disrespect/non- handshake/non-acknowledgement have occurred if Kostyuk's nonsense had not been accepted by the WTA?
Hmmmm...
Other players see that Kostyuk is getting away with totally disrespecting selected opponents without any punishment - so what's to stop players from deciding that they, too, have a 'justifiable reason' to show no respect for their opponent, as well?
If they are threatened with punishment, they need only point to Kostyuk's behaviour being accepted.
The WTA better be very, very careful with this - because Kostyuk's behaviour, apart from being bush-league, sets an ugly and unwanted precedent.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:30 pm
From what I've read there was some gamesmanship by Tsurenko?
I wasn't watching this match, but Lesia definitely has a history of some healthy acting out there on court. For me, it's gotten out of control and I barely watch her. But I can't remember the last time I watched her where her mannerisms and ailments on court didn't have the commentators talking about her needing to consider retiring from the match and she's gone on to win all of the ones that come to mind. It's her go to.
by Scoob I also did not watch the match. I do agree that there are certain things that a player should abide by during the match that does not lead to disruption or gamesmanship. The players expect that from the fans. They certainly would not like a fan booing them during a match while the other player gets cheered or while serving a fan calls out. It is just the rules and etiquette of the game. The handshake is also the etiquette of the game as well.In the end what are they playing... A GAME. Sure there is a lot of prize money involved, but it is a game between 2 competitors or 4 competitors.
I am not sure how this can be handled, because I do not think it is at the level of a chair umpire to handle something like this or even a tournament director. I am not sure where this would go to be handled, actually. It seems it is in the players hands right now.
by ponchi101 If you are going to enforce it, it must be by fining the offending player. After all, the match is over.
by ti-amie Stefanos vs Thompson in a third set TB. 4 all.
by ti-amie MP Thompson on his serve 6-5
by ti-amie Stefanos is out 6-7(0), 6-4, 6-7(5)
by Deuce Kvitova escapes with the 2nd set and the match vs. Mandlik.
This was a classic case of experience winning over inexperience...
Mandlkik was outplaying Kvitova in the 2nd set, was up a break and was serving for the set. She got broken to tie it 5-5. Kvitova then held her serve. Then Madlik double faulted on match point.
The veteran held steady, while the youngster got nervous. As they say - there's no substitute for experience.
by ti-amie Reading Dimitrov retired from his match with injury.
by Scoob Tsitsipas lost to Thompson in 3 sets: 6-7, 6-4, 6-7. Biggest upset of the tournament or really is it with his injury? Did he come back a bit too soon?
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ponchi101 ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:45 pm
Reading Dimitrov retired from his match with injury.
More retirements. I wonder if somebody is keeping track of this.
Edit. And BVDZ retires too.
by ashkor87 I wouldn't even call Rogers over sakkari an upset...I am not surprised at Tsitsi losing, either...except for the AO, where he did well, hard courts are not his best surface...his topspin makes the ball sit up and beg to be hit...
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nelslus ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:35 pm
I have Yastremska vs Krejcikova on. I'm not exactly sure why though...
I wish I could love this post.
by nelslus It's funny- I did notice Tsurenko at times making some weird gestures and all. But, Donna- you were Bencic-Lady-Macbeth all over the place when things weren't going your way. Did anyone else who watched this match think that Tsurenko had been out of line?
by Scoob Per Pam Shriver who is Vekic's coach: Vekic did not shake Tsurenko's hand because in the previous match they just had Tsurenko retired from the match which seems to be a pattern that she has and players do not like that. Shriver went on to say that Vekic still should have shook the hand of Tsurenko after this match.
by Deuce Shuai Zhang retired from her match after 13 minutes of play.
I don't know why she retired - but that's at least 3 in-match retirements today in this tournament.
And the day's not over yet.
by Deuce I would call a Rogers win over Sakkari an upset at this point, as, apart from Abu Dhabi, Shelby hasn't done much of note this year, while Sakkari has made a couple of semis.
Right now it's 4-1 Rogers (1st set) in a rain delay...
by ashkor87 why was play suspended? I dont get any live feed here, so I really dont know what is going on.. someone, please enlighten me?
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ashkor87 nelslus wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:59 pm
I watched much of the third set of the Vekic loss. Other than Tsurenko smiling after some winners and such- no over-celebrating at all- I sure can't figure out why Vekic snubbed Tsurenko.
I also watched some of the third set of the Bencic loss. Teichmann played some outstanding tennis to go up 5-1- with Bencic doing her usual grouchy and sulking Lady Macbeth act- at which point Bencic got better, Teichmann showed some nerves, but played well enough to win it 6-3 in the third. Which, of course, is all that matters.
i dont get any live feed here so this kind of description is really useful.. so thanks!
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nelslus ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:14 am
why was play suspended? I dont get any live feed here, so I really dont know what is going on.. someone, please enlighten me?
It's raining.
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ashkor87 nelslus wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:21 amIt's raining.
wow! in a desert? Was Alexander the Great passing through?
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nelslus ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:26 am
nelslus wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:21 amIt's raining.
wow! in a desert? Was Alexander the Great passing through?
Palm Springs is a gorgeous area. I went to the Indian Wells tournament three years in a row with some fellow TAT-ites (albeit ex-TAT-ites mostly). There are mountains close-by. So, every kind of weather can happen- including, at night-times, very, VERY cold weather. So, rain is no big surprise there.
by Deuce They had snow in Palm Springs a few weeks ago.
It seems that California can have any type of weather this year.
by Owendonovan There's an 11,000 ft mountain, San Jacinto, that blocks most rain from ever getting to that part of CA.
by Scoob I have heard it has not reached 80 degrees Fahrenheit in Palm Springs this entire tournament.
by Deuce Well, right now centre court looks pretty dry... but the sky looks very menacing...
by Scoob They said there is rain still in the forecast.
by Deuce The players have come out to the court... but, based on the look of the sky, I don't expect them to be there for very long.
by Scoob It's raining again and the 3rd delay.
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ashkor87 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:46 am
I wouldn't even call Rogers over sakkari an upset...I am not surprised at Tsitsi losing, either...except for the AO, where he did well, hard courts are not his best surface...his topspin makes the ball sit up and beg to be hit...
Just to elaborate...Rogers is probably the best of the second tier of US players, powerful (which helps on this slooow surface) and is a big match player, afraid of noone.
by ashkor87 Meanwhile, not surprised Bencic lost, a bit more surprised at Vekic..Bencic feeds off her opponents pace, rather than generate her own..works better on a fast surface, not this one.
For those who don't believe IW is slow, please see what Sabalenka remarked after her match.!
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ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:54 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:45 pm
Reading Dimitrov retired from his match with injury.
More retirements. I wonder if somebody is keeping track of this.
Edit. And BVDZ retires too.
by Deuce Sakkari takes the 2nd set off of Rogers, 6-4 (Rogers won the 1st set 6-2).
Rogers was a significant threat to every player a couple of years ago, but in the past 18 to 24 months, she has taken a step back. She's still capable of beating top players - but not as often as before.
by Scoob I wonder what effects these short periods of rain delays have on these players?
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ponchi101 Scoob wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:29 am
I wonder what effects these short periods of rain delays have on these players?
I say minimal. Especially when you have only played for 5-6 games.
Much shorter turn-around that coming from your off court warm up, and then having to rev-up again.
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Scoob ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:32 am
Scoob wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:29 am
I wonder what effects these short periods of rain delays have on these players?
I say minimal. Especially when you have only played for 5-6 games.
Much shorter turn-around that coming from your off court warm up, and then having to rev-up again.
I guess I am thinking more on Shelby Rogers in the 2nd set. She had just broken Sakkari and the 3rd rain delay started. They came back and she went on to lose the set.
Sakkari also got a bagel out on Rogers in the 3rd set to win the match 2-6, 6-4, 6-0
by Deuce Shapovalov is out in straight sets to Humbert.
Denis continues to waste his natural talent.
by Scoob I have no idea what needs to be done with Shapo. He certainly has the game to beat the players he is losing to and to challenge even the top players and go far into these types of tournaments and here we are again he is out right away. I shake my head because he has the talent to put it all together. Yet it never seems to get done.
by Deuce Bucsa is playing really well in the 2nd set vs. Gauff.
Kalinskaya up 4-2 over Pliskova, 1st set...
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JazzNU ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:34 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:46 am
I wouldn't even call Rogers over sakkari an upset...I am not surprised at Tsitsi losing, either...except for the AO, where he did well, hard courts are not his best surface...his topspin makes the ball sit up and beg to be hit...
Just to elaborate...Rogers is probably the best of the second tier of US players, powerful (which helps on this slooow surface) and is a big match player, afraid of noone.
Rogers over Sakkari is an upset if it had happened, which it didn't. The way people view Rogers continues to be wildly out of whack. She's like Ajla Tomljanovic in many ways. She's well known name by most tennis fans, but has done very little in the grand scheme of things and has never been ranked as highly as people perceive her to have been. A big match player is a good way to think of her, but also one with little to show for those big match wins except for apparently making fans believe she's going to follow up those wins and making them forget she rarely ever does.
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Scoob JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:54 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:34 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:46 am
I wouldn't even call Rogers over sakkari an upset...I am not surprised at Tsitsi losing, either...except for the AO, where he did well, hard courts are not his best surface...his topspin makes the ball sit up and beg to be hit...
Just to elaborate...Rogers is probably the best of the second tier of US players, powerful (which helps on this slooow surface) and is a big match player, afraid of noone.
Rogers over Sakkari is an upset if it had happened, which it didn't. The way people view Rogers continues to be wildly out of whack. She's like Ajla Tomljanovic in many ways. She's well known name by most tennis fans, but has done very little in the grand scheme of things and has never been ranked as highly as people perceive her to have been. A big match player is a good way to think of her, but also one with little to show for those big match wins except for apparently making fans believe she's going to follow up those wins and making them forget she rarely ever does.
I really think all the stop and starts with the rain delays hurt her tonight and she lost her rhythm. Just before the 3rd delay she had just broken Sakkari early in the 2nd set after winning the 1st set. Once they came back from that rain delay she could not get it together.
by Deuce Kalinskaya won the 1st set 6-2 over Pliskova, who didn't hold serve once.
Kalinskaya's face bears a striking resemblance to the face of Genie Bouchard, who I believe also played tennis at one time...
Alexandrova out in straight sets to Xinyu Wang...
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JazzNU
Yes, California weather has been crazy lately, rapidly reversing extreme drought conditions. But, San Bernardino is not near Indian Wells fwiw. Completely different areas.
by Scoob M. Berrettini out in 3 sets to T. Daniel.
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nelslus JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:54 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:34 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:46 am
I wouldn't even call Rogers over sakkari an upset...I am not surprised at Tsitsi losing, either...except for the AO, where he did well, hard courts are not his best surface...his topspin makes the ball sit up and beg to be hit...
Just to elaborate...Rogers is probably the best of the second tier of US players, powerful (which helps on this slooow surface) and is a big match player, afraid of noone.
Rogers over Sakkari is an upset if it had happened, which it didn't. The way people view Rogers continues to be wildly out of whack. She's like Ajla Tomljanovic in many ways. She's well known name by most tennis fans, but has done very little in the grand scheme of things and has never been ranked as highly as people perceive her to have been. A big match player is a good way to think of her, but also one with little to show for those big match wins except for apparently making fans believe she's going to follow up those wins and making them forget she rarely ever does.
LOL, now, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
I mean, to be perfectly fair- Shelby has made two Slam singles QF's- AND, of all things, two Slam doubles QF's- Australian Open and French Open. But, I actually did not realize the highest Shelby has ever gotten in the rankings is #30. There you go. Plus, in their two matches, Shelby has beaten Petra in two Slam matches (but then again, who hasn't??). So, any Shelby snark is appreciated.
And, sure, Tomljanovic's peak was at #33 (bragging rights, Shelby!!!!), and she has two Slam QF singles and one Slam QF result. But, Alja banged Matteo. If THAT doesn't get you in the HOF, I don't know what would.
by Deuce Berrettini very deliberately did not shake the umpire's hand after the match.
He stared down the umpire after he shook Daniel's hand, then walked right past him. I don't know the reason, as I didn't see the match.
This refusing to shake hands thing is apparently going 'viral'!
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texasniteowl JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:03 am
Yes, California weather has been crazy lately, rapidly reversing extreme drought conditions. But, San Bernardino is not near Indian Wells fwiw. Completely different areas.
I'm not saying they are directly next door, but unless I'm doing something wrong in google maps, it's only 76 miles from Indian Wells to San Bernardino? So snow in the mountains above SB and rain in the other seems related with the craziness they are getting? Indian Wells is just south east of Palm Springs, right? On I-10?
by Deuce The WTA's answer to Fognini - Camila Giorgi - took the 1st set from Pegula 6-3.
But Pegula easily took the 2nd, 6-1.
Like Fabio, Camila is capable of great tennis and terrible tennis - and anything in between - it depends on how much effort she wants to give at any particular time.
Starting the 3rd now...
Noskova won the 1st set tiebreak over Anisimova... Starting the 2nd now.
Pliskova ran over Kalinskaya 6-0 in the 2nd, and finished it off 6-4 in the 3rd.
Nakashima played well, but, unsurprisingly, it wasn't good enough - Medvedev in straight sets...
Tiafoe over Giron easily...
And Rublev in straight sets over Lehecka.
by Deuce Anisimova's struggles continue - out to Noskova in straight sets (6-3 in the 2nd).
Many people (still) talk about Amanda's talent - that's been going on for a few years now, without any significant results on her part. At what point will people start to give up on her? I think that time draws nearer and nearer with each passing tournament these days.
To my eye, she simply doesn't have the commitment or dedication to tennis to rise to the level of what people say her talent is and to be a top player. She is also prone to not be emotionally strong during matches and to be very emotional and allow her negative emotions to affect her play.
Like her Italian compatriot Fabio, Giorgi produced some flashes of brilliance throughout the match... but, again like Fabio, there were too many lulls, and Pegula won - 6-2 in the 3rd.
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mick1303 patrick wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:22 pm
Until the situation improves, it looks like 2021 USO will be a fluke for Raducanu
Or maybe she'll still have more success in the tournaments that utilize lighter balls for WTA than for ATP (like US Open). And I reckon it is not a majority of tournaments.
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mick1303 Deuce wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:00 pm
Would that disrespect/non- handshake/non-acknowledgement have occurred if Kostyuk's nonsense had not been accepted by the WTA?
Hmmmm...
Other players see that Kostyuk is getting away with totally disrespecting selected opponents without any punishment - so what's to stop players from deciding that they, too, have a 'justifiable reason' to show no respect for their opponent, as well?
If they are threatened with punishment, they need only point to Kostyuk's behaviour being accepted.
The WTA better be very, very careful with this - because Kostyuk's behaviour, apart from being bush-league, sets an ugly and unwanted precedent.
It is debatable what is an "ugly and unwanted precedent" - Kostyuk not shaking hands with Russians, or WTA/ATP permitting Russians to play and then pay taxes to their government from prize money, financing the terror Russia conducts. Just 2 days ago they launched another missile attack, destroying 4 power grid nodes in Kharkov only and damaging the fossil power plant. I was 44 hours straight without electricity, which is merely an inconvenience. But some people were killed.
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Deuce mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:07 am
Deuce wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:00 pm
Would that disrespect/non- handshake/non-acknowledgement have occurred if Kostyuk's nonsense had not been accepted by the WTA?
Hmmmm...
Other players see that Kostyuk is getting away with totally disrespecting selected opponents without any punishment - so what's to stop players from deciding that they, too, have a 'justifiable reason' to show no respect for their opponent, as well?
If they are threatened with punishment, they need only point to Kostyuk's behaviour being accepted.
The WTA better be very, very careful with this - because Kostyuk's behaviour, apart from being bush-league, sets an ugly and unwanted precedent.
It is debatable what is an "ugly and unwanted precedent" - Kostyuk not shaking hands with Russians, or WTA/ATP permitting Russians to play and then pay taxes to their government from prize money, financing the terror Russia conducts. Just 2 days ago they launched another missile attack, destroying 4 power grid nodes in Kharkov only and damaging the fossil power plant. I was 44 hours straight without electricity, which is merely an inconvenience. But some people were killed.
Though I can't imagine what it's like to experience it, I very much both recognize and respect what you are going through there, Mick, and I certainly hope that it ends soon. But I don't believe that Russian and Belarusian tennis players are complicit in what is happening in Ukraine simply by virtue of where they were born. Not any more than I can legitimately take any degree of credit for the
'Canadarm', or for any type of aid that Canada is supplying to Ukraine, simply by virtue of my being Canadian.
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mick1303 Deuce wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:26 am
mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:07 am
Deuce wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:00 pm
Would that disrespect/non- handshake/non-acknowledgement have occurred if Kostyuk's nonsense had not been accepted by the WTA?
Hmmmm...
Other players see that Kostyuk is getting away with totally disrespecting selected opponents without any punishment - so what's to stop players from deciding that they, too, have a 'justifiable reason' to show no respect for their opponent, as well?
If they are threatened with punishment, they need only point to Kostyuk's behaviour being accepted.
The WTA better be very, very careful with this - because Kostyuk's behaviour, apart from being bush-league, sets an ugly and unwanted precedent.
It is debatable what is an "ugly and unwanted precedent" - Kostyuk not shaking hands with Russians, or WTA/ATP permitting Russians to play and then pay taxes to their government from prize money, financing the terror Russia conducts. Just 2 days ago they launched another missile attack, destroying 4 power grid nodes in Kharkov only and damaging the fossil power plant. I was 44 hours straight without electricity, which is merely an inconvenience. But some people were killed.
Though I can't imagine what it's like to experience it, I very much both recognize and respect what you are going through there, Mick, and I certainly hope that it ends soon. But I don't believe that Russian and Belarusian tennis players are complicit in what is happening in Ukraine simply by virtue of where they were born. Not any more than I can legitimately take any degree of credit for the
'Canadarm', or for any type of aid that Canada is supplying to Ukraine, simply by virtue of my being Canadian.
First - thank you for kind words, I very much appreciate them.
Second - you ignored the portion where they (and you yourself) pay taxes.
Canada buys whatever ammunition it sends to Ukraine from taxpayers money.
So some portion of those is coming from your taxes.
You see where I go with this? By voting, paying taxes and generally accepting the government you have, you share some responsibility, whatever small it can be. And if your government does something good, you share the credit as well.
by Scoob I went 0-2 with my upset picks for Friday. Expect more of the same with today's upset predictions. On the men's side I really don't like any of the upsets so I am just randomly selecting one and going with Popyrin over Hurkacz. On the women's side, I am going to pick Siniakova over Haddad Maia.
by ponchi101 Popyrin over Hurkacz is a really low percentage. I know you are picking upsets, but that one, to me, would be a big one.
Siniakova over BHM not so much. Siniakova can play on hard courts, BHM is Brazilian and a clay court lover. I agree, don't see it happening, but that one has a chance.
And I know. BHM best results came on grass last year. Which still puzzles me.
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Scoob ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:38 pm
Popyrin over Hurkacz is a really low percentage. I know you are picking upsets, but that one, to me, would be a big one.
Siniakova over BHM not so much. Siniakova can play on hard courts, BHM is Brazilian and a clay court lover. I agree, don't see it happening, but that one has a chance.
And I know. BHM best results came on grass last year. Which still puzzles me.
These courts in IW are slow and they say are gritty and the ball bounces high so that may help BHM. Both of these predictions, I don't really expect to to happen, but that is what upsets are all about.
The Popyrin pick would really be a surprise and I pick out of my backside if that one would come to be.
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Deuce mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:02 pm
Deuce wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:26 am
mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:07 am
It is debatable what is an "ugly and unwanted precedent" - Kostyuk not shaking hands with Russians, or WTA/ATP permitting Russians to play and then pay taxes to their government from prize money, financing the terror Russia conducts. Just 2 days ago they launched another missile attack, destroying 4 power grid nodes in Kharkov only and damaging the fossil power plant. I was 44 hours straight without electricity, which is merely an inconvenience. But some people were killed.
Though I can't imagine what it's like to experience it, I very much both recognize and respect what you are going through there, Mick, and I certainly hope that it ends soon. But I don't believe that Russian and Belarusian tennis players are complicit in what is happening in Ukraine simply by virtue of where they were born. Not any more than I can legitimately take any degree of credit for the
'Canadarm', or for any type of aid that Canada is supplying to Ukraine, simply by virtue of my being Canadian.
First - thank you for kind words, I very much appreciate them.
Second - you ignored the portion where they (and you yourself) pay taxes.
Canada buys whatever ammunition it sends to Ukraine from taxpayers money.
So some portion of those is coming from your taxes.
You see where I go with this? By voting, paying taxes and generally accepting the government you have, you share some responsibility, whatever small it can be. And if your government does something good, you share the credit as well.
I don't agree, Mick. I think you're grasping at straws in an effort to try to assign responsibility.
The Russian and Belarusian tennis players cannot, as you've previously suggested, simply renounce their citizenship and pack up and move themselves and their families out of the country. It's not that simple.
Life is not that simple.
Also, by your erroneous definition, every single American who paid any federal tax is guilty of all of the idiotic things - including the crimes - that Trump did while president.
This perspective is simply not realistic. This kind of guilt by association is inherently inaccurate and unfair.
by Scoob Switching back to the events of Indian Wells tennis from the awful events occurring in the Ukraine, Auger-Aliassime wins the first set in a tiebreak over Martinez, Sinner wins his match in straight sets, and Raducanu wins the first set over Linette in a tiebreak and is up 4-1 in the 2nd set.
by Suliso Mildly surprised that Azarenka and Linette look to be going out in straight sets.
by
Scoob Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 8:47 pm
Mildly surprised that Azarenka and Linette look to be going out in straight sets.
Yes, I thought those matches would be a lot closer.
by Deuce I'm not surprised at Muchova beating Azarenka. Muchova is a high quality player, and has been getting back to that high level of late, after her injury problems.
I'm more surprised with Raducanu beating Linette so convincingly.
I'm also surprised that Felix came back from a break down late in the 1st set to win it.
Bouzkova continues to disappoint - losing to Vondrousova, 1 and 1. I've been waiting for Bouzkova to break through since I first saw her in 2019... and she had a really good second half of the season last year, getting herself into the top 30 for the first time... But she has reacted badly to that higher ranking, as, ever since then, her results have been quite poor.
by Scoob FAA wins in straight sets 7-6, 6-4 over Pedro Martinez.
by
ti-amie Scoob wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:36 pm
FAA wins in straight sets 7-6, 6-4 over Pedro Martinez.
He needed that kind of win on an outdoor hardcourt right now.
by Deuce Leylah vs. Navarro is 5-3 for Leylah - in double faults. And they've only played 5 games.
Despite that, 4-1 Leylah.
Siniakova took the 1st set 7-5 over Haddad Maia.
2-0 Haddad Maia in the 2nd...
by Deuce Leylah won the 1st set 6-2... but Navarro is in total control of the 2nd set thus far - 3-0.
Leylah's up to 9 double faults now.
by
ti-amie Deuce wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 10:09 pm
Leylah won the 1st set 6-2... but Navarro is in total control of the 2nd set thus far - 3-0.
Leylah's up to 9 double faults now.
Me right now
by ti-amie Packed house for Leylah I see.
by Scoob After sweating the 2nd set of the Leylah match she is now serving for the set up 5-4.
Leylah wins 6-2, 6-4.
by Deuce Leylah 'won'.
That was pretty sloppy from both players.
Leylah is not going to beat any top 50 players, or players with experience, playing at that level.
by Scoob Alex de Minaur loses in straight sets to Márton Fucsovics 6-4, 6-2.
by
JazzNU texasniteowl wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:15 am
JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:03 am
Yes, California weather has been crazy lately, rapidly reversing extreme drought conditions. But, San Bernardino is not near Indian Wells fwiw. Completely different areas.
I'm not saying they are directly next door, but unless I'm doing something wrong in google maps, it's only 76 miles from Indian Wells to San Bernardino? So snow in the mountains above SB and rain in the other seems related with the craziness they are getting? Indian Wells is just south east of Palm Springs, right? On I-10?
I'm not saying that the weather over almost all parts of Southern California can't be related. But Google Maps can't tell you much besides distance. So I'm telling you as someone very familiar with California, San Bernardino and Indian Wells are definitely not areas considered near one another. San Francisco and Sacramento are a similar distance from one another, but they are two completely different metropolitan areas with two different weather patterns. Los Angeles is closer to San Bernardino than any of the other distances mentioned, but again, not considered "near" one another and vastly different cities. Point being, distance isn't everything.
Indian Wells is considered near Palm Springs, but they are different communities that do not neighbor one another.
by
JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 10:37 pm
Packed house for Leylah I see.
Crowds have been interesting thus far. And rather telling.
by
Scoob JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:40 pm
texasniteowl wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:15 am
JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:03 am
Yes, California weather has been crazy lately, rapidly reversing extreme drought conditions. But, San Bernardino is not near Indian Wells fwiw. Completely different areas.
I'm not saying they are directly next door, but unless I'm doing something wrong in google maps, it's only 76 miles from Indian Wells to San Bernardino? So snow in the mountains above SB and rain in the other seems related with the craziness they are getting? Indian Wells is just south east of Palm Springs, right? On I-10?
I'm not saying that the weather over almost all parts of Southern California can't be related. But Google Maps can't tell you much besides distance. So I'm telling you as someone very familiar with California, San Bernardino and Indian Wells are definitely not areas considered near one another. San Francisco and Sacramento are a similar distance from one another, but they are two completely different metropolitan areas with two different weather patterns. Los Angeles is closer to San Bernardino than any of the other distances mentioned, but again, not considered "near" one another and vastly different cities. Point being, distance isn't everything.
Indian Wells is considered near Palm Springs, but they are different communities that do not neighbor one another.
San Bernardino, California is approximately 75 minutes NW of Indian Wells, California.
by
Deuce ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 10:37 pm
Packed house for Leylah I see.
She was also playing an American in America, which helps with the size of the crowd.
Also, it wasn't a very big court - in terms of the number of seats.
And those who witnessed the match live might be asking for their money back.
by Scoob Caroline Garcia is in a tight one in the 3rd set with Dalma Gálfi. If she doesn't get it together like she had in the 1st set she might not see Leylah in the next round.
by JazzNU Didn't watch early in the match, but seems like Galfi adjusted well to Garcia's game and is now firmly in the match.
Not sure what court they are on, but it's full. If Caro gets through, she plays Leylah next, given how packed her match was too, they will hopefully be given one of the show courts.
by
JazzNU Scoob wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:50 pm
San Bernardino, California is approximately 75 minutes NW of Indian Wells, California.
Yes. And? Was there something unclear about what I wrote?
by JazzNU WTH is going on with these Adidas kits? One is more unappealing and unflattering than the next. And what is the pattern on Rybakina's shoulders?
by
Scoob JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:30 am
Scoob wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:50 pm
San Bernardino, California is approximately 75 minutes NW of Indian Wells, California.
Yes. And? Was there something unclear about what I wrote?
No not at all.I was just giving a measurement of distance , that is all. Your post was clear as a bell.
by
nelslus JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:30 am
Scoob wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:50 pm
San Bernardino, California is approximately 75 minutes NW of Indian Wells, California.
Yes. And? Was there something unclear about what I wrote?
I mean, LOL, I don't know what Jazz still needs to explain?!?! Here in Chicago, we live on the North side of the city, right next to Lake Michigan. Folks most definitely closer to 75 miles away from us- the South side of Chicago, local suburbs- more often than not have distinctly different weather patterns than we do (especially many of the local suburbs, which tend to get zapped with rough weather more than we do).
So- you know- I'd tend to believe the person who lives in the same areas concerning weather patterns.
by
nelslus Scoob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:59 am
JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:30 am
Scoob wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:50 pm
San Bernardino, California is approximately 75 minutes NW of Indian Wells, California.
Yes. And? Was there something unclear about what I wrote?
No not at all.I was just giving a measurement of distance , that is all. Your post was clear as a bell.
(Someone else had already brought up the "argument" that there was a 76 miles difference.)
by
Scoob nelslus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:59 am
JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:30 am
Scoob wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:50 pm
San Bernardino, California is approximately 75 minutes NW of Indian Wells, California.
Yes. And? Was there something unclear about what I wrote?
I mean, LOL, I don't know what Jazz still needs to explain?!?! Here in Chicago, we live on the North side of the city, right next to Lake Michigan. Folks most definitely closer to 75 miles away from us- the South side of Chicago, local suburbs- more often than not have distinctly different weather patterns than we do (especially many of the local suburbs, which tend to get zapped with rough weather more than we do).
So- you know- I'd tend to believe the person who lives in the same areas concerning weather patterns.
His post was perfectly fine, I am not disputing it at all. I was just giving a measurement of distance between the two places. That is all I was doing.
by
Scoob nelslus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:01 am
Scoob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:59 am
JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:30 am
Yes. And? Was there something unclear about what I wrote?
No not at all.I was just giving a measurement of distance , that is all. Your post was clear as a bell.
(Someone else had already brought up the "argument" that there was a 76 miles difference.)
I'm sorry I missed that post.
by ti-amie Fritz won as he should have but that was an entertaining match. I'm interested in seeing how well Shelton does this year.
by Deuce For anyone looking for something to watch right now, surprisingly (shockingly?), Kenin just took Rybakina to a tiebreak in the 1st set (Rybakina won it 8-6).
Kenin is playing inspired tennis for the first time in a long while. And she has the crowd behind her.
No-one knows if it will endure - but so far, it's a close and enjoyable match to watch.
by Scoob For tomorrow's upsets I will go with Emil Ruusuvuori over Alexander Zverev. One the ladies side I will predict Linda Nosková over Coco Gauff.
by
JazzNU nelslus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:59 am
I mean, LOL, I don't know what Jazz still needs to explain?!?! Here in Chicago, we live on the North side of the city, right next to Lake Michigan. Folks most definitely closer to 75 miles away from us- the South side of Chicago, local suburbs- more often than not have distinctly different weather patterns than we do (especially many of the local suburbs, which tend to get zapped with rough weather more than we do).
So- you know- I'd tend to believe the person who lives in the same areas concerning weather patterns.
Haha. Exactly. I can remember several times when my cousin living on the South Side had barely a dusting and we had like 8-10 inches in Evanston with lake effect snow and he happily called to rub it in. The lake is pretty of course, but yeah, that's a down side, makes a difference in the weather patterns.
by JazzNU Kenin is so confusing. Is she fully healthy? Because she had a great win or two a few weeks ago and then lost unceremoniously to no one. Looked great and competed even better against Sloane. Is doing that again today vs. Lena. So, is she back back? Just needs to find her rhythm again? I feel like we very rarely hear on what her injury progress is so it is hard to know. But maybe she gave an interview this week that makes it clearer? If someone knows, please share here or in the Injury thread.
by Scoob Bianca up an early break(2-0) in the first set over Stearns.
by Deuce Musetti is another Shapovalov - tons of very natural talent being wasted through a very questionable psychological approach. He has gotten himself close to the top 20 - but, hey - a guy like Mannarino is beatable.
Kenin and Rybakina are into to another tiebreak in the 2nd.
And I'm quite sure that Kenin didn't have to be anywhere near her level from a few years ago to beat Stephens in the first round here, given Sloane's lacklustre performances over most of the past 2 years.
by ti-amie Kenin was up 4-1 in the second set...
by ti-amie Watching Andreescu vs Stearns
by
Deuce ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:05 am
Kenin was up 4-1 in the second set...
Rybakina was up by about the same score in the 1st set...
by Deuce Really tough way to end it for Kenin - a double fault on match point in the tiebreak.
She put up a good fight, and with the intensity returning.
Welcome back, I hope.
And Stearns wins the 1st set 6-4 over Andreescu.
Interesting....
by ti-amie Stearns takes the first set 6-4...
Interesting.
by
Deuce ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:19 am
Stearns takes the first set 6-4...
Interesting.
Copycat.
by ti-amie I didn't see your post!
Seriously I thought Stearns was in control of the first set but wasn't sure she'd hold her nerve.
by Scoob Bianca came out looking like she was going to take it to Stearns going up a quick break and then her opponent picked up her game. Stearns has a really good game and if Bianca doesn't step it up even more she is going to be out in straight sets.
by Scoob Kenin also double faulted on match point. I saw Kenin leaving the court and she was crying. They said she played really well in the match.
by
Scoob ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:27 am
And dare I say I am 0-4 with my upset predictions now.
Sunday I have: Men: Ruusuvuori over Zverev
Women: Nosková over Gauff
by Scoob Bianca evens the match up at a set a piece. 4-6, 6-4.
by
Deuce An older friend of mine plays and follows tennis, but he doesn't bother with any of the gossip or details, etc.
He always has a good sense of humour...
He's watching the Andreescu - Stearns match, and just sent me a message asking
"Why is Andreescu wearing that telephone cord on her arm? Any idea?"
by Deuce Jabeur is in a little trouble vs. Frech.
6-4 Frech 1st set.
Jabeur just broke for 5-4 in the 2nd.
by Scoob The plastic hair tie is nothing more than a good luck charm for her.
by Scoob Bianci looks to be in control of the 3rd set over Stearns up 4-1.
Bianci wins the match over Stearns in 3 sets 4-6, 6-4, 6-3.
by
nelslus JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:28 am
nelslus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:59 am
I mean, LOL, I don't know what Jazz still needs to explain?!?! Here in Chicago, we live on the North side of the city, right next to Lake Michigan. Folks most definitely closer to 75 miles away from us- the South side of Chicago, local suburbs- more often than not have distinctly different weather patterns than we do (especially many of the local suburbs, which tend to get zapped with rough weather more than we do).
So- you know- I'd tend to believe the person who lives in the same areas concerning weather patterns.
Haha. Exactly. I can remember several times when my cousin living on the South Side had barely a dusting and we had like 8-10 inches in Evanston with lake effect snow and he happily called to rub it in. The lake is pretty of course, but yeah, that's a down side, makes a difference in the weather patterns.
Yup. As I got my MA and BA at Northwestern, I also lived in Evanston for a number of years. We go to Evanston a good amount of times, including that we get take-out from Dave's Italian Kitchen- which has moved a few times.
STRANGELY enough- global warming, y'all- for a number of years, over-all, we've gotten pretty reasonable winter weather, even being next to Lake Michigan.
by nelslus The most fun I've had watching a match (well, much of this match) from Indian Wells this year so far, was, of all things, Giron/Wolf d. Sinner/Sonego. From about the middle of the second set through the third set tiebreaker, all of the players were playing great- just pounding the hell out of the ball all over the place, while showing a lot of great defensive play. I love an excellent doubles match- even if this match was a lot of four players playing great singles tennis.
by
JazzNU Scoob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:26 am
Kenin also double faulted on match point. I saw Kenin leaving the court and she was crying. They said she played really well in the match.
Yeah, Sonya played a great match. She has to be disappointed she didn't at least push it to a 3rd with how well she was playing. But hopefully she will walk away from this thinking positively. She's always seemed tough on herself, so may take awhile for her to see the positives. If she can keep this form and get good draws, she'll move up the rankings pretty fast. That's assuming she's fully recovered from her injuries. She looked it.
by
JazzNU nelslus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:12 am
Yup. As I got my MA and BA at Northwestern, I also lived in Evanston for a number of years. We go to Evanston a good amount of times, including that we get take-out from Dave's Italian Kitchen- which has moved a few times.
STRANGELY enough- global warming, y'all- for a number of years, over-all, we've gotten pretty reasonable winter weather, even being next to Lake Michigan.
Dave's Italian Kitchen! Taking me back. Good to hear that it's still open even if it moved locations.
by Scoob Madison Keys has withdrawn due to not feeling great during her match with Cirstea and also her Blood Pressure was not good when checked on court. She had lost the 1st set 6-1.
by
JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:41 am
Djokovic really broke this boy. He was ascending so well and it's just seeming like maybe we'll hear from him seriously in a few years when he gets his head on right, but it's getting harder to imagine he's going to be in the Alcaraz/Rune camp anytime soon the way it was seeming like he would be for a bit there.
by skatingfan Alcaraez's serving position showing Kokkinakis' returns no respect.
by
nelslus JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:50 am
nelslus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:12 am
Yup. As I got my MA and BA at Northwestern, I also lived in Evanston for a number of years. We go to Evanston a good amount of times, including that we get take-out from Dave's Italian Kitchen- which has moved a few times.
STRANGELY enough- global warming, y'all- for a number of years, over-all, we've gotten pretty reasonable winter weather, even being next to Lake Michigan.
Dave's Italian Kitchen! Taking me back. Good to hear that it's still open even if it moved locations.
I first discovered Dave's with college friends (some still my friends) when it was on Church Street. I do know that it then moved to 1635 Chicago Ave. At some point, I believe that they posted in social media that they had closed, possibly for good. But, then, it resurrected to 815 Noyes Street. It now has a teeny-weenie dining area. So, we do take-out. I almost always get the lasagna, sometimes chicken parmesan. Plus, there's still that bread....
I figured, if someone has ever lived in Evanston, that Dave's would be a good memory.
by
nelslus skatingfan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:39 am
Alcaraez's serving position showing Kokkinakis' returns no respect.
To excel fully again- Carols is going to have to improve his serve, and his way too frequent same serving positions.
by ashkor87 I expect Kudermetova to beat Pliskova now but Pliskova remains an inscrutable mystery to me ..
Coco vs Noskova should be fun, but I didn't think that win over Anisimova was anything special ...Anisimova was spewing UFEs from every wing. .Coco won't do that....
by ti-amie DAY 7 - MARCH 12
STADIUM 1 11:00 AM PT
CHI Cristian Garin vs NOR Casper Ruud [3]
FOLLOWED BY
FIN Emil Ruusuvuori vs GER Alexander Zverev [12]
NOT BEFORE 3:00 PM
USA Coco Gauff [6] vs CZE Linda Noskova
NOT BEFORE 6:00 PM
RUS Daniil Medvedev [5] vs BLR Ilya Ivashka
NOT BEFORE 8:00 PM
UKR Lesia Tsurenko vs BLR Aryna Sabalenka [2]
STADIUM 2 11:00 AM PT
GRE Maria Sakkari [7] vs UKR Anhelina Kalinina [27]
FOLLOWED BY
RUS Anastasia Potapova [26] vs USA Jessica Pegula [3]
FOLLOWED BY
USA Frances Tiafoe [14] vs AUS Jason Kubler
NOT BEFORE 6:00 PM
CZE Petra Kvitova [15] vs LAT Jelena Ostapenko [24]
FOLLOWED BY
GER Kevin Krawietz/FRA Fabrice Martin vs USA John Isner/USA Jack Sock
STADIUM 3 11:00 AM PT
JPN Taro Daniel vs GBR Cameron Norrie [10]
FOLLOWED BY
RUS Karen Khachanov [13] vs ESP Alejandro Davidovich Fokina [23]
FOLLOWED BY
RUS Andrey Rublev [6] vs FRA Ugo Humbert
NOT BEFORE 5:00 PM
CZE Barbora Krejcikova [16] vs CHN Xinyu Wang
FOLLOWED BY
BEL Kirsten Flipkens/USA Bethanie Mattek-Sands vs JPN Miyu Kato/INA Aldila Sutjiadi
STADIUM 4 11:00 AM PT
SWE Rebecca Peterson vs SUI Jil Teichmann
NOT BEFORE 12:00 PM
CZE Karolina Pliskova [17] vs RUS Veronika Kudermetova [11]
NOT BEFORE 2:30 PM
ESP Paula Badosa/KAZ Elena Rybakina vs AUS Storm Hunter [6]/BEL Elise Mertens [6]
FOLLOWED BY
AUT Lucas Miedler/GBR Cameron Norrie vs CAN Felix Auger-Aliassime/CAN Denis Shapovalov
NOT BEFORE 7:00 PM
CHI Alejandro Tabilo vs AUS Jordan Thompson
STADIUM 6 11:00 AM PT
CAN Gabriela Dabrowski/BRA Luisa Stefani vs KAZ Anna Danilina/USA Asia Muhammad
FOLLOWED BY
GBR Daniel Evans/AUS John Peers vs GBR Jamie Murray/NZL Michael Venus
FOLLOWED BY
NOR Ulrikke Eikeri/JPN Makoto Ninomiya vs JPN Shuko Aoyama/JPN Ena Shibahara
by Scoob I've got to say some of today's matches look intriguing, especially on the women's side. This tournament so far has had some pretty good tennis to watch.
Today it is once again tough to select an upset from the men's draw, but I will go with Emil Ruusuvuori to upset Alexander Zverev today. I am not really sure why I picked this match other than the fact, I still don't feel that Zverev is 100%.
On the women's side of the draw, I am taking one 18 year old over another. I think the young talented Linda Nosková will upset the other young talented Coco Gauff today. For me, this match is going to be the premiere match up of the day.
by ponchi101 Can't say anything because I have yet to watch Noskova play.
Zverev is not 100%, but he is getting better. Ruusuvuori should be a challenge, but a test he could pass.
by
Scoob ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:05 pm
Can't say anything because I have yet to watch Noskova play.
Zverev is not 100%, but he is getting better. Ruusuvuori should be a challenge, but a test he could pass.
Most likely by days end I will go to 0-6 with these predictions.
by ti-amie Sakkari dropped the first set 3-6 to Kalinina
by
Scoob ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:07 pm
Sakkari dropped the first set 3-6 to Kalinina
Not really surprised about this, but watch Sakkari pick it up and knock her off in 3 sets.
by Deuce And Taro Daniel just took the 1st set tiebreak off of Norrie.
by Scoob Kalinina is now up a break in the 2nd set. Which was just erased by Sakkari and now 2-2 in the 2nd set.
by Scoob Sakkari seems to have rolled through the 2nd set winning it 6-2.
by Suliso Ruud continues to disappoint this year. This surface should suit his game just fine.
by
mick1303 Scoob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:47 pm
I've got to say some of today's matches look intriguing, especially on the women's side. This tournament so far has had some pretty good tennis to watch.
Today it is once again tough to select an upset from the men's draw, but I will go with Emil Ruusuvuori to upset Alexander Zverev today. I am not really sure why I picked this match other than the fact, I still don't feel that Zverev is 100%.
On the women's side of the draw, I am taking one 18 year old over another. I think the young talented Linda Nosková will upset the other young talented Coco Gauff today. For me, this match is going to be the premiere match up of the day.
For some reason Zverev handles 5-set format worse than Daniil Medvedev. But if you look at his resume outside slams - it is very impressive. After the big 4 era we had only 4 players with multiple masters: Zverev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas and Alcaraz. Even slam winners like Wawrinka, Cilic, Thiem, DelPo had only one masters each to their credit. Zverev has 5 masters, 2 YEC and Olympics. Even in his diminished state he is formidable.
by
skatingfan Suliso wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:13 pm
Ruud continues to disappoint this year. This surface should suit his game just fine.
I'm not sure if it's an injury, or just a return to the mean, but Ruud does not seem to be the same player so far this season - maybe once the clay court season starts he will find his game.
by ponchi101 Garin is not so bad on hards, but indeed, this is a poor result. The problem with the return to the mean idea is that he was very high for almost the entire year (2022). RG, USO and YEC finals. That seemed to say he indeed reached a new plateau.
But: not too many other explanations, right?
by
Deuce ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:56 pm
What I like most about that point is the apology. Ruusuvuori knew that his framed return set up the entire point for him, and apologized for that. Nice.
by Scoob Jessica Pegula evens up the match at one set a piece with Anastasia Potapova with a 6-4 2nd set win. Potapova up a break in the 3rd.
by
Deuce ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:56 pm
Meh
It wasn't a great shot by Zverev - Ruusuvuori absolutely gave him that shot. I'm watching the match and I couldn't believe that Ruusuvuori blew that point. The point was his for the easy taking. And it was break point!
Ruusuvuori had 2 other break points in that game, and didn't convert. If he loses this match, he's got only himself to blame.
by ti-amie 3-6, 6-4, 7-5 win for Pegula over Potapova. Nothing spectacular but she's the winner.
by
Scoob I guess Emil only has himself to blame
as he lost the match. He did however play a pretty tough match to take Zverev to 3 sets . Yeah he couldn't get it done in the end, but credit that to Sascha for his play. All in all it was a really good match.
by
ponchi101 Scoob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:20 pm
I guess Emil only has himself to blame
as he lost the match. He did however play a pretty tough match to take Zverev to 3 sets . Yeah he couldn't get it done in the end, but credit that to Sascha for his play. All in all it was a really good match.
Less than one week in this forum, and your jinxing powers are already pretty good
Pegula. I don't like her game. It does nothing for me. But she shows up, and may be about time to give her credit for fighting all points. So, will never be a fan, but respect I will give her.
by
Scoob ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:25 pm
Scoob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:20 pm
I guess Emil only has himself to blame
as he lost the match. He did however play a pretty tough match to take Zverev to 3 sets . Yeah he couldn't get it done in the end, but credit that to Sascha for his play. All in all it was a really good match.
Less than one week in this forum, and your jinxing powers are already pretty good
Pegula. I don't like her game. It does nothing for me. But she shows up, and may be about time to give her credit for fighting all points. So, will never be a fan, but respect I will give her.
Pegula is that player who beats the opponents she is expected to beat. It may not look great every time, but she seems to always make at least the SF's by beating players she is supposed to beat and then lose to Sabanlenka or Iga.
by
Deuce The chair umpire for Gauff - Noskova, Julie Kjendlie, entertained us right off the bat while having a tough time with the coin toss...
She asks the token coin toss guest (who for some reason has brought his tennis racquet with him) who he would like to ask to choose heads or tails.
He says “I guess Coco. Coco, do you want heads or tails?”
Gauff says “Heads.”
Guest turns to Julie (chair umpire) and holds his hand out for the coin to toss.
Julie says “Oh, I took it. I said I was going to hold on to it.”
Julie checks both her pants pockets, finds a coin.
Julie says “Sh*t, wrong coin. I swore. Not good.”
Julie finds the proper coin, gives it to the guest.
Guest flips it.
Julie says “Ok... It’s tails.”
Julie turns to Gauff to see if she elects to serve or receive.
Gauff says “Um, I picked heads.”
Julie turns to Noskova
“Ok, Linda, what do you choose?”
Apparently the players are not the only nervous people before a match...
by Scoob Coco Gauff takes the 1st set 6-4 against Linda Nosková.
Coco Gauff wins in straight sets 6-4 , 6-3 over Linda Nosková.
by Scoob Now 0-6 with my upset predictions. For Mondays predictions I will go with Stan Wawrinka over Holger Rune in the men's draw. in the women's draw, I will go with Leylah Fernandez over Caroline Garcia.
by ti-amie Ostapenko up 5-0 on Petra first set.
by
ponchi101 Ostapenko on
or is Petra cold?
by ti-amie Monday, March 13, 2023 Day 8
STADIUM 1 Starts At 11:00 Am
(30) Leylah Fernandez VS (5) Caroline Garcia
Followed By
(10) Elena Rybakina VS (21) Paula Badosa
Not Before 3:00 Pm
(4) Taylor Fritz VS (30) Sebastian Baez
Not Before 6:00 PM
(1) Iga Swiatek VS (32) Bianca Andreescu
Followed By
(1) Carlos Alcaraz VS (31) Tallon Griekspoor
STADIUM 2 Starts At 11:00 Am
(9) Hubert Hurkacz VS (17) Tommy Paul
Followed By
(PR) Stan Wawrinka VS (7) Holger Rune
Not Before 3:00 PM
(4) Ons Jabeur VS Marketa Vondrousova
Not Before 6:00 Pm
Jack Draper VS Andy Murray
Not Before 8:00 PM
(Q) Varvara Gracheva VS (8) Daria Kasatkina
STADIUM 3 Starts At 11:00 Am
(27) Francisco Cerundolo VS (8) Felix Auger-Aliassime
Followed By
Emma Raducanu VS (13) Beatriz Haddad Maia
Followed By
(11) Jannik Sinner VS Adrian Mannarino
Followed By
(1) Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski VS (PR) Frances Tiafoe/Stan Wawrinka
Followed By
Simone Bolelli/Fabio Fognini VS Austin Krajicek/Mackenzie McDonald
STADIUM 4 Starts At 11:00 Am
Bernarda Pera VS Sorana Cirstea
Followed By
(23) Martina Trevisan VS Karolina Muchova
Followed By
Alex Molcan VS Marton Fucsovics
After Suitable Rest
(1) Barbora Krejcikova/Katerina Siniakova VS (WC) Leylah Fernandez/Taylor Townsend
Followed By
Alexandra Panova/Alycia Parks VS (ALT) Belinda Bencic/Jil Teichmann
STADIUM 6 Starts At 11:00 Am
(4) Desirae Krawczyk/Demi Schuurs VS (OSE) Magda Linette/Caty McNally
1:00 Pm
(4) Nikola Mektic/Mate Pavic VS Santiago Gonzalez/Edouard Roger-Vasselin
Not Before 2:00 PM
TBD VS (2) Coco Gauff/Jessica Pegula
After Suitable Rest
Beatriz Haddad Maia/Laura Siegemund VS (3) Lyudmyla Kichenok/Jelena Ostapenko
Followed By
(WC) Marcos Giron/J.J. Wolf VS (5) Lloyd Glasspool/Harri Heliovaara
by
ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:47 am
Ostapenko on
or is Petra cold?
P3tra seems to be gone now and Petra is back. Petra is up 2-0 in the second set.
by ti-amie Petra is up 5-0 in the second set. I have no idea what is happening.
by
Scoob ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:47 am
Ostapenko on
or is Petra cold?
Petra is on
or is Ostapenko cold as ice?
by
ti-amie Scoob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:19 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:47 am
Ostapenko on
or is Petra cold?
Petra is on
or is Ostapenko cold as ice?
by
Deuce ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:16 am
After I saw 6-0 Ostapenko in the 1st, I had an urge to post something like "This match can change rapidly, though", because, given Ostapenko's impulsivity, she could feel like she's got this match in the bag and start going for crazy winners everywhere... and Kvitova being the veteran would be able to exploit that.
I chose not to post it, though - just in case
.
Now that that's been done, I suppose the 3rd set will be a 20-18 tiebreak...
by Scoob Ostapenko is ill and has had the Physio out to check her after dropping 9 straight games. She seemed to be coughing terribly sitting there. She has now lost 10 games in a row and is down 4-0 in the 3rd set. Something is definitely not right with her all of the sudden.
by
Owendonovan 
Appears to be a continued spanking by Petra.
by Scoob Ostapenko has now lost 10 games in a row and something suddenly is not right with her. She is now down 4-0 in the 3rd set.
She finally breaks the streak and gets a game. She is down 4-1.
by
JTContinental Scoob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:14 am
Coco Gauff takes the 1st set 6-4 against Linda Nosková.
Coco Gauff wins in straight sets 6-4 , 6-3 over Linda Nosková.
This was always going to be a tough upset, as Coco hasn't lost to a player ranked outside the top 50 since the AO last year.
by Scoob I cannot get a read at all on this Petra/Ostapenko match at all. Just when I think Ostapenko is done she rolls off two games in a row and is now only down one break in the 3rd set. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if she rolls off 4 more games in a row and wins the 3rd set 6-4.
by
Owendonovan Owendonovan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:38 am
Appears to be a continued spanking by Petra.
I may have jinxed this.
by
Scoob Owendonovan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:48 am
Owendonovan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:38 am
Appears to be a continued spanking by Petra.
I may have jinxed this.
Certainly possible, but I just might have given the counter jinx to Ostapenko saying she would win the next 4 games and win the 3rd set and match.
But she has evened the set up at 4-4.
Kvitova wins a crazy match over Ostapenko 0-6, 6-0, 6-4.
by Scoob Tsurenko withdraws again right before her match with Sabalenka tonight.
I don't really quite get this withdrawal. It was the last match of the evening session and Tsurenko had to have had all day to work whatever the situation she was dealing with and to wait till a few minutes before the match to start to withdraw, that doesn't make sense to me.
by ponchi101 ESPN says that this is Tsurenko's 8 w/o in her last 11 tournaments. I checked her stats, and she was RET or W/O 6 times since Eastbourne.
by ashkor87 My brave prediction of the day- Vondrousova will beat Jabeur...MV excels on this kind of slow hard court..Jabeur doesn't, and hadn't been playing much .good chance of an upset.
by Deuce Krejcikova was having a difficult time with Xinyu Wang, but she seems to have rectified the situation now...
by JTContinental Tsurenko seems like a paycheck chaser to me.
by ashkor87 Meanwhile, Muchova playing like a champ..her potential was always there..hope she goes far now, in many tournaments..she is lovely to wstch
by
mmmm8 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:53 am
My brave prediction of the day- Vondrousova will beat Jabeur...MV excels on this kind of slow hard court..Jabeur doesn't, and hadn't been playing much .good chance of an upset.
May be brave, but this is also what the betting odds are showing, interestingly
by ashkor87 Not so brave then! Ok.
by ashkor87 Medvedev not impressive, as I expected...if Zverev is anywhere close to his best, he should beat Medvedev...hanging about 10 feet behind the baseline and returning everything, is not good enough. Med doesn't have many ways to actually win a rally, except on serve.
by Scoob I am not sure about Ons Jabeur losing today, but I do think Stan Wawrinka has a chance of taking down Holger Rune. On the ladies side this is more of a sentimental upset pick, but I am picking Leylah Fernandez to upset Caroline Garcia today. We shall see if my streak goes to 0-8.
by ponchi101 I saw Rune play his first round. His FH is clocking; I wonder how much it is a coincidence that him and Carlitos use the same Babolat aero. For Stan to beat him, he will really have to get on a time machine and go back to 2017. I don't see much chance there.
The news corrected my statement above that Tsurenko has retired 8 times in the last 11 events. It has been 8 times in the last 15. A combination of RET and W/O's. And she has retired to a lot of different players, so there is no political motivation (Sabalenka being Belarusian) or anything like that. Maybe she will talk about it.
by
Scoob ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:22 pm
I saw Rune play his first round. His FH is clocking; I wonder how much it is a coincidence that him and Carlitos use the same Babolat aero. For Stan to beat him, he will really have to get on a time machine and go back to 2017. I don't see much chance there.
The news corrected my statement above that Tsurenko has retired 8 times in the last 11 events. It has been 8 times in the last 15. A combination of RET and W/O's. And she has retired to a lot of different players, so there is no political motivation (Sabalenka being Belarusian) or anything like that. Maybe she will talk about it.
Hell, if we flip back to 2017 then I am definitely predicting Stan to beat Holger because he would be only 13 years old at the time.
by ashkor87 I make a point of never betting on or against Pliskova, having suffered so many times! But I think she will beat Sakkari here...big serve, slow courts lessening the effect of her slow movement ..Sakkari has great defense but not as many offensive weapons as Pliskova has...
Rybakina vs Badosa is very intriguing too..badosa always does well here.. I don't think she is quite in Rybakina's class but on this slow court Badosa could win...I hope not but....
by ponchi101 Agree that Pliskova is a puzzle. I would bet only dog-chewed balls on her (or against her). Never real coin.
I am surprised that you are not very bullish on Rybakina vs Badosa. Paula was taken to a deep 3rd set by Parrizas Dias, certainly not a hard court player. I don't see how Badosa will be able to handle Rybakina's current serve and FH.
by Deuce Blood has been drawn!
Felix hit himself in the chin with his racquet or something like that vs. Cerundolo, and appeared to get some quick stitching done on-court.
I didn't see what happened - I turned the match on when Felix was starting a Medical Time Out... and one of the people attending to him asked him "How did this happen?", and Felix appeared to say "I went for a return, and I mis-hit it, and the racquet came up into my face."
The treatment was done on-court, but he then left the court just to change his shorts (maybe there was blood on them?). He was off the court for less than one minute.
Play has resumed now - 3-2, 1st set. It was 2-0 Felix when his injury occurred - Felix has lost all 3 games played since the injury. It doesn't appear to be bothering him physically - but maybe the shock of hitting himself, plus the stoppage of play breaking his momentum...
Garcia took the 1st set off of Leylah 6-4. Garcia is rock-solid on her serve.
It's tough when two Canadians are playing at the same time...
by
JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:51 am
ESPN says that this is Tsurenko's 8 w/o in her last 11 tournaments. I checked her stats, and she was RET or W/O 6 times since Eastbourne.
I think ESPN's stat is correct and yours is as well, you're just counting different things. I'm assuming you're watching the ESPN Latin American feed, right? I think we determined before that how they pull stats is a bit different. Like whatever they are accessing likely allows for them to change the parameters to see a data point, something not as widely available to us. I think this came up before when they gave a stat about Badosa's retirements. It'd be great if they gave more context to the criteria they are using.
In this case, I'm pretty sure the difference is going to be their stats are just WTA main tour tournaments, so leaving off everything the ITF runs and any WTA 125k events. If you count her last WTA main tour tournaments starting last week in Mexico, yeah, you'll hit 8 out of 11. It's an astounding stat.
by Deuce Leylah takes the 2nd set in a tiebreak.
Leylah is playing some really good tennis today - and she has to, as Garcia is playing well, too... and Garcia always puts pressure on her opponents with her aggressive game.
Garcia still hasn't even faced a break point today.
This is an enjoyable, high quality match.
Felix got a late break to win the 1st set 7-5, and is up 3-2 with a break in the 2nd...
by ti-amie Apparently the shirt that Potapova wore to walk on court is for a team called Spartak Moscow and some are comparing it to wearing a shirt with a "Z" on it. Does anyone know what this team represents for Russians?
by
ti-amie Re Tsurenko giving the walkover. This might need to go to another thread for an in depth discussion. I put it here first because of the valid discussion about Tsurenko's retirements that we're having.
Alex Dolgopolov
@TheDolgo
Steve Simon, @WTA CEO to @LTsurenko
:“I don’t support the war, but it’s OK if
players support it”.
Steve, instead of intimidating Ukrainian women, be a man and take this to the public. Conversation happened with you on duty,people deserve to know,it’s OK, to support genocide
by Deuce ^ Thanks for that.
And, yes... this certainly deserves to be discussed in another thread.
by Deuce Felix needed several match points, and about 15 minutes, to put Cerundolo away in the 2nd set.
Good win for Felix - but he still needs to work on finishing matches more solidly.
Garcia won the 3rd set 6-1 over Leylah.
Leylah was playing really well - matching Garcia through the whole match up until Garcia broke her in the 4th game of the 3rd set. That deflated Leylah. A Garcia hold and another break followed.
Still - a solid effort by Leylah, who is still just 20 years old.
by JazzNU I'm shocked that Leylah has a seed here. Her matches haven't been on the main channel, so this is the first I've seen of her and not much at that even today. But wasn't expecting to see a number next to her name.
Feels like we're getting closer to the time where she's not going to be able to escape criticism on following up her USO run with anything significant. That injury bought her some time, just not sure how much.
by
nelslus JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:43 pm
I'm shocked that Leylah has a seed here. Her matches haven't been on the main channel, so this is the first I've seen of her and not much at that even today. But wasn't expecting to see a number next to her name.
Feels like we're getting closer to the time where she's not going to be able to escape criticism on following up her USO run with anything significant. That injury bought her some time, just not sure how much.
WELL, before you give the TAT Canadians prolonged vapors (they're fragile, after all), MISS Leylah Fernandez wishes to let you know that she is only 20 years old, and just last year, she made the French Open QF. beating Singles Tennis :egends Mladenovic, Siniakova, Olympics GOLD medalist Bencic, and Anisimova, before bowing down, of course, to Tennis Immortal Trevisan in THREE!! SETS!!!!. MISS Fernandez also carried the doughy Jack Sock to the 2022 US Open mixed QF's. HARUMPH, MISS Fernandez wishes to shame you with The Truth.
by JazzNU Is Holger Rune a big Texas Longhorn fan? It's all I'm seeing looking at him.
by
nelslus PS: I want Stan to beat Rune, and then call him a baby again.
by Deuce Raducanu surprisingly over Haddad Maia 6-1 in the 1st.
4-2 Haddad Maia in the 2nd...
After winning the 1st set 6-4, Muchova lost the plot toward the end of the 2nd.
Now on serve halfway through the 3rd...
Rybakina won the 1st set over Badosa.
Badosa up 4-3 with a break in the 2nd.
by Deuce Nice comeback in the 2nd for Rybakina, who wins it in straight sets.
Muchova got a late break to win the 3rd set 6-4.
This was a very tough battle. Muchova wasn't at her best, and Trevisan was fighting and scrapping for everything.
Raducanu and Haddad Maia are into a 3rd set now.
Rune sends it to a 3rd set, winning the tiebreak in the 2nd after being behind.
One would think it's advantage to the much younger Rune in the 3rd over the older Wawrinka - but Rune was cramping badly in the 3rd set a couple of weeks ago...
by
Deuce Raducanu was quite impressive in the 3rd set, winning it 6-4.
This match, too, was high quality tennis.
Wawrinka wins the 3rd set 6-4 over Rune, who appeared to be cramping again.
Am I the only one here who's actually watching any tennis today? Apart from me, no comments at all on any actual matches today. Many more posts about the Oscars than about tennis...
by ti-amie Does anyone know what is happening here between Wawrinka and Rune?
by
ponchi101 Rune finishes the match and after shaking hands with Stan, takes a couple of steps and tells Stan:
"You have anything to say to me now?"
Stan: "What do you want me to tell you?"
by
ponchi101 ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:21 pm
Does anyone know what is happening here between Wawrinka and Rune?
When they played in Paris, and Rune won, Stan told him at the net not to behave like a little kid. That it was unprofessional.
I gather Holger took that advice to heart.
(Nah, he didn't)
by
JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:23 pm
When they played in Paris, and Rune won, Stan told him at the net not to behave like a little kid. That it was unprofessional.
I gather Holger took that advice to heart.
(Nah, he didn't)
Oh yeah, I remember. Stan was correct in his assessment. Rune is just about the biggest brat on tour since Sascha and there's been a lot of competition for that title.
by Owendonovan I only had to see how Rune treated his mother publicly a while back to form my very low opinion of him. He's one of those players whose losses I relish.
by nelslus BTW, you know who's really making tennis boring? Krejcikova and Siniakova are just destroying their opponents, over and over again. They're Iga on Steroids with the women's doubles.
by ashkor87 Not paying too much attention to the men because if alcaraz is fit there is no real contest..only Zverev to be considered...Fritz doing well as expected, Sinner struggling, also as expected, on a slow court..
Very interested to see if Kvitova can beat Pegula..she should, but...
by
ashkor87 nelslus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:22 am
BTW, you know who's really making tennis boring? Krejcikova and Siniakova are just destroying their opponents, over and over again. They're Iga on Steroids with the women's doubles.
I love to watch them, though, so much to learn...
by
Deuce Owendonovan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:10 am
I only had to see how Rune treated his mother publicly a while back to form my very low opinion of him. He's one of those players whose losses I relish.
None of us know anything about the relationship between Holger and his mom, and so are not in any position to accurately judge anything involving their interactions.
I've never heard his mother complain about 'how he treats her'.
As they say, if an outsider has a bigger problem with certain behaviour than the one the behaviour is targeted at, there's a problem.
Too many people love to create villains and victims.
by
Owendonovan Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:33 am
Owendonovan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:10 am
I only had to see how Rune treated his mother publicly a while back to form my very low opinion of him. He's one of those players whose losses I relish.
None of us know anything about the relationship between Holger and his mom, and so are not in any position to accurately judge anything involving their interactions.
I've never heard his mother complain about 'how he treats her'.
As they say, if an outsider has a bigger problem with certain behaviour than the one the behaviour is targeted at, there's a problem.
Too many people love to create villains and victims.
It's not just him, it's
anyone that behaves that way in public. He's just one of those people.
by
JazzNU nelslus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:22 am
BTW, you know who's really making tennis boring? Krejcikova and Siniakova are just destroying their opponents, over and over again. They're Iga on Steroids with the women's doubles.
They are on a certain path to the HOF. Krejcikova adding in her singles accomplishments makes that even more likely. And Siniakova has already been ranked doubles #1 at the time required to get the automatic bid with the lower GS titles. They are a juggernaut.
by Deuce Vondrousova, who seems to have spilled milk all over her shirt and had a 4 year old child draw random things on her arms, is about to take out Jabeur in straight sets...
by Deuce Meanwhile, Leylah and Taylor Townsend have come back from 1-5 to make it 4-5 vs. Krejcikova and Siniakova. 1st set.
by
Deuce Owendonovan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:38 am
Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:33 am
Owendonovan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:10 am
I only had to see how Rune treated his mother publicly a while back to form my very low opinion of him. He's one of those players whose losses I relish.
None of us know anything about the relationship between Holger and his mom, and so are not in any position to accurately judge anything involving their interactions.
I've never heard his mother complain about 'how he treats her'.
As they say, if an outsider has a bigger problem with certain behaviour than the one the behaviour is targeted at, there's a problem.
Too many people love to create villains and victims.
It's not just him, it's
anyone that behaves that way in public. He's just one of those people.
I thought you were against judging people on a small sample size - and especially judging people you barely know.
by Owendonovan It's not a judgement, I don't like people airing their laundry in public and I don't like people who yell at other people privately or publicly. It's emotionally immature.
by
ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:23 am
Not paying too much attention to the men because if alcaraz is fit there is no real contest..only Zverev to be considered...Fritz doing well as expected,
Sinner struggling, also as expected, on a slow court..
Very interested to see if Kvitova can beat Pegula..she should, but...
Are you watching the match? Mannarino is just showing how a compact game can make others go nuts. Sinner is not struggling; Mannarino is playing wonderful, counter attacking tennis.
by ti-amie Andreescu just broke Iga to open their match. It looks as if she's playing the kind of tennis that gives Iga fits.
by
mmmm8 ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:07 pm
Apparently the shirt that Potapova wore to walk on court is for a team called Spartak Moscow and some are comparing it to wearing a shirt with a "Z" on it. Does anyone know what this team represents for Russians?
Meh. It doesn't mean anything more than any other big Russian football club. Is it the best idea to wear a Russian sports team logo at the moment? Maybe not. But she's supported them before. I understand the outrage is coming from a Polish journalist who has equated it to supporting the war?
by mmmm8 Don't know if it's noted above in the discussion about Tsurenko withdrawing, but apparently she had a conversation with Steve Simon about Russians playing on tour (where he said Russia should be able to participate in the Olympics) a couple days ago and it's upset her so much she had a panic attack before playing Sabalenka.
This is from an interview with Tsurenko.
Again, no right or wrong here, imho, as with Kostyuk, but I can't blame her.
by mmmm8 Never mind, saw the Tsurenko quotes posted above!
by ti-amie Iga broke back but that game was a war.
by
Deuce Owendonovan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:04 am
It's not a judgement, I don't like people airing their laundry in public and I don't like people who yell at other people privately or publicly. It's emotionally immature.
Come on, Owen, of course it's a judgement - and a powerful one at that. Your dislike of him comes through loud and clear. You've judged him as being rude, immature, bratty - whatever labels you want to put on him - and as being completely unworthy of your support because of your negative judgement/assessment of what you perceive is his character, based on a very small sample size, and without knowing anything about him other than the few things you've seen on TV.
But I've also seen you criticize people for being judgemental.
I've said many times that those who criticize others for being judgemental are often the most judgemental people of all. I've seen this an infinite number of times from people.
And it's fine to be judgemental - it's absolute human nature to judge and assess everything and everyone... It's actually part of our basic survival instinct. And so anyone who claims to be 'non-judgemental' is either not human, or is a liar.
We all make dozens of judgements every single day - from choosing our favourite cereal to differentiating between our friends and our enemies.
The key is to judge based on a fair sample size, and on relevant criteria, and to not PRE-judge, as that is where the word 'prejudice' comes from.
My problem with judgements is that too many people are very critical of others forming negative judgements about people or things that they themselves like, while giving a free pass to themselves and the people they like who negatively judge other people and things that they don't like.
by Deuce After losing a close 1st set 5-7, Taylor and Leylah have just won the 2nd set 6-3 from Krejcikova/Siniakova.
What exactly is going on here? Taylor and Leylah are playing doubles here for the first time together, and their opponents are one of the best women's doubles teams ever...
Is one of the Czech women physically ill?
Going to the silly 'match tiebreak' now...
by ti-amie Game five first set was another battle royale between Iga and Andreescu. Iga came out on top for 3-2 on serve but I wonder if either woman will be able to play like this an entire match.
by Owendonovan OK, I've judged someone badly for behaving badly, weird. The homophobic stuff doesn't help his case much either. He can always redeem himself, he's young.
by ti-amie Iga breaks and consolidates for 5-2. Andreescu already threw a mini tantrum sitting down on the court.
by Deuce The cream rose to the top in the doubles match - Krejcikova/Siniakova won the stupid tiebreak thing that relaces a proper 3rd set 10-7.
But Leylah and Taylor won 71 points in the match to the Czechs' 70!
Strange - but whenever any doubles team plays those two that close, they can take pride in their performance.
by JazzNU Emma looked good in her match against Haddad Maia. Not sure it means much, but it was definitely more on the side of her top level. But I don't get the impression this is the Haddad Maia's best surface where she plays to where her current ranking is. So I'd like to see more against better competition before I'm thinking this is officially a turnaround for Emma. But she looked good against high ranked opponent today, so that's something.
by
JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:00 am
Iga breaks and consolidates for 5-2. Andreescu already threw a mini tantrum sitting down on the court.
She's mad about many, many missed opportunities in the game when Swiatek held with the wind. According to the commentators, wind is playing a major factor in the match, so you need to take all the opportunities you have when you're on the side with it.
by ti-amie Despite all of the hard hitting and long rallies Iga takes the first set 6-3.
by Deuce Meanwhile, on the men's side, the old Brit and the young Brit have begun their battle.
5-5 in the 1st...
by
ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:06 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:23 am
Not paying too much attention to the men because if alcaraz is fit there is no real contest..only Zverev to be considered...Fritz doing well as expected,
Sinner struggling, also as expected, on a slow court..
Very interested to see if Kvitova can beat Pegula..she should, but...
Are you watching the match? Mannarino is just showing how a compact game can make others go nuts. Sinner is not struggling; Mannarino is playing wonderful, counter attacking tennis.
No, am at the court, playing myself..sinful
by
ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:12 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:06 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:23 am
Not paying too much attention to the men because if alcaraz is fit there is no real contest..only Zverev to be considered...Fritz doing well as expected,
Sinner struggling, also as expected, on a slow court..
Very interested to see if Kvitova can beat Pegula..she should, but...
Are you watching the match? Mannarino is just showing how a compact game can make others go nuts. Sinner is not struggling; Mannarino is playing wonderful, counter attacking tennis.
No, am at the court, playing myself..sinful
Envy you. Hope you are playing like Mannarino; you should win
by
JazzNU Owendonovan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:52 am
OK, I've judged someone badly for behaving badly, weird. The homophobic stuff doesn't help his case much either. He can always redeem himself, he's young.
I'm fully in support of you holding that against him for however long you want to. For me, someone shows me they are racist, I assume their "redemption" is PR spin or in real life, something they are doing to be more accepted, not truly them being a better person. I might tolerate them in the future if I must, but I'll never forget.
by Deuce ^ You're also the one who blatantly called Isner a 'racist', which is a huge accusation (and one that Isner's good friend James Blake, who knows him far better than you do, would surely object to).
I rest my case about judgmentalism.
by ti-amie Tuesday, March 14, 2023 Day 9
STADIUM 1 Starts At 11:00 Am
(5) Daniil Medvedev VS (12) Alexander Zverev
Followed By
(4) Taylor Fritz VS Marton Fucsovics
Not Before 3:00 PM
(15) Petra Kvitova VS (3) Jessica Pegula
Not Before 6:00 Pm
Carlos Alcaraz Or Tallon Griekspoor VS Jack Draper Or Andy Murray
Not Before 8:00 PM
TBD VS Emma Raducanu
STADIUM 2 Starts At 11:00 Am
(6) Coco Gauff VS (Q) Rebecca Peterson
Followed By
(16) Barbora Krejcikova VS (2) Aryna Sabalenka
Followed By
(14) Frances Tiafoe VS (Q) Alejandro Tabilo
Not Before 6:00 PM
Sorana Cirstea VS (5) Caroline Garcia
Followed By
(17) Tommy Paul VS (8) Felix Auger-Aliassime
STADIUM 3 Starts At 11:00 Am
(7) Maria Sakkari VS (17) Karolina Pliskova
Followed By
(6) Andrey Rublev VS (10) Cameron Norrie
Followed By
Marketa Vondrousova VS Karolina Muchova
Not Before 5:00 PM
(10) Elena Rybakina VS TBD
Followed By
(11) Jannik Sinner VS (PR) Stan Wawrinka
STADIUM 4 Starts At 11:00 Am
(23) Alejandro Davidovich Fokina VS (Q) Cristian Garin
Followed By
(WC) Danielle Collins/Peyton Stearns VS (6) Storm Hunter/Elise Mertens
Followed By
Shuko Aoyama/Ena Shibahara VS (8) Nicole Melichar-Martinez/Ellen Perez
Followed By
Alexa Guarachi/Erin Routliffe VS Gabriela Dabrowski/Luisa Stefani
STADIUM 7 Starts At 10:00 Am / Fila BNPJunior Boys
(1) Kaylan Bigun VS Matthew Forbes
Followed By
(1) Iva Jovic VS Nadia Lagaev
Followed By
Stefan Regalia/Jordan Reznik VS Denny Bao/Connor Church
Followed By
Isabella Chhiv/Maren Urata VS Raphaelle Leroux/Stephanie Yakoff
STADIUM 8 Starts At 10:00 Am
(4) Keegan Rice VS (Q) Krish Arora
Followed By
(3) Clervie Ngounoue VS Raphaelle Leroux
Followed By
Tygen Goldammer/Kase Schinnerer VS StephanePierre-Jo Kamendje/Vidhan Vyas
Followed By
Maya Dutta/Martina Marica VS Jessica Bernales/Ava Bruno
COURT 15 Starts At 10:00 Am
(12) Tristan Stringer VS (WC) Rudy Quan
Followed By
(9) Alanis Hamilton VS (WC) Kristina Penickova
Followed By
(WC) Keaton Hance/Jack Kennedy VS (WC) Sebastian Bielen/Brody Mccollum
Followed By
Eliana Kook/Nadia Lagaev VS Valerie Glozman/Anya Murthy
COURT 16 Starts At 10:00 Am
(WC) Jack Kennedy VS (7) Adhithya Ganesan
Followed By
Jessica Bernales VS (6) Ashton Bowers
Followed By
Brody Nejedly/Nathaniel Suh VS Paris Pouatcha/Miguel Tobon
Followed By
(WC) Annika Penickova/Kristina Penickova VS Mika Ikemori/Rachel Lee
COURT 17 Starts At 10:00 Am
TBD VS (16) Rohan Belday
Followed By
(Q) Julieta Pareja VS (16) Victoria Osuigwe
Followed By
Matisse Farzam/Cyrus Mahjoob VS Krish Arora/Rudy Quan
Followed By
Alyssa Ahn/Tianmei Wang VS Kayla Chung/Alanis Hamilton
COURT 18 Starts At 10:00 Am
Dylan Charlap VS (15) Nikita Filin
Followed By
Maya Dutta VS (15) Tyra Caterina Grant
Followed By
Rohan Belday/Dylan Charlap VS Jagger Leach/Joseph Oyebog JR
Followed By
Mariya Dobreva/Catherine Gagnon VS (WC) Kenna Erickson/Sabrina Lin
COURT 19 Starts At 10:00 Am
(11) Cooper Woestendick VS (Q) Parashar Bhardwaj
Followed By
(12) Maya Joint VS Ava Bruno
Followed By
Hanu Patel/Heath Waters VS (WC) Noah Johnston/Calvin Wang
Followed By
Kate Fakih/Shannon Lam VS (WC) Monika Ekstrand/Thea Latak
COURT 20 Starts At 10:00 Am
(WC) Connor Church VS (6) Meecah Bigun
Followed By
(Q) Rachel Lee VS (8) Anya Murthy
Followed By
Calvin Baierl/Adam Faragcao VS Ian Bracks/Abhishek Thorat
Followed By
Teah Chavez/Ellie Daniels VS Allie Bittner/Thea Frodin
by ponchi101 Iga has lost her bearings, but Bianca has been very solid the last 4 games (duh, obvious). But this smells like 3rd set, and it might be a good one.
by Deuce Nice tiebreak between the two Brits.
It went the way of the younger.
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ponchi101 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:43 am
Iga has lost her bearings, but Bianca has been very solid the last 4 games (duh, obvious). But this smells like 3rd set, and it might be a good one.
Man, did I jinx that.
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Deuce ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:59 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:43 am
Iga has lost her bearings, but Bianca has been very solid the last 4 games (duh, obvious). But this smells like 3rd set, and it might be a good one.
Man, did I jinx that.
^ Not yet...
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:59 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:43 am
Iga has lost her bearings, but Bianca has been very solid the last 4 games (duh, obvious). But this smells like 3rd set, and it might be a good one.
Man, did I jinx that.
No need to fill in for @suliso when he's not here.
Bianca played a very good match, still not where she was, but certainly better. It'd be great if her body would allow her to find her previous form. Seems like the serve is one of the things that's a difference and she certainly had shoulder injuries, so not surprising.
by Deuce Kasatkina's difficult start to the year continues - out to Gracheva in straight sets.
Gracheva, unlike Kasatkina, is impressing people thus far this year.
by ashkor87 something has been wrong with Kasatkina for a while now.. wonder what, and, more important, hope she gets over it soon.. the game needs her variety and creativity..
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Owendonovan ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:54 am
something has been wrong with Kasatkina for a while now.. wonder what, and, more important, hope she gets over it soon.. the game needs her variety and creativity..
Could it be her cruelly homophobic home country hates homosexuals and invaded a neighboring country preventing her a safe return and that is weighing on her?
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mmmm8 Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:26 am
^ You're also the one who blatantly called Isner a 'racist', which is a huge accusation (and one that Isner's good friend James Blake, who knows him far better than you do,
would surely object to).
I rest my case about judgmentalism.
How do you know James Blake's inner thoughts and feelings? Having a black friend doesn't make someone not a racist.
by ashkor87 Strangely enough for a 2 time Wimbledon champion, kvitova is really quite good on this kind of surface..but if pegula gets enough balls back...who knows. I think Kvitova should win, 55% probability I would say.
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mmmm8 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:05 pm
Strangely enough for a 2 time Wimbledon champion, kvitova is really quite good on this kind of surface..but if pegula gets enough balls back...who knows. I think Kvitova should win, 55% probability I would say.
I looked up their H2H, 3-1 Petra. If Petra is on an upswing, as she seems, I agree, she should pull through.
Of course, who knows, after that bizarre Ostapenko match.
by ponchi101 We know her best results have been her two W's, but she has good records in the other slams. 1 F at the Aussie, 2 SF at RG. The fact that she is good on grass does not preclude her from being good on other surfaces.
I will take Pegula, though. The consistency can get to somebody like Petra, who can go into a few funky games now and then.
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ponchi101 Owendonovan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:03 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:54 am
something has been wrong with Kasatkina for a while now.. wonder what, and, more important, hope she gets over it soon.. the game needs her variety and creativity..
Could it be her cruelly homophobic home country hates homosexuals and invaded a neighboring country preventing her a safe return and that is weighing on her?
Of course, this forum is not representative of other locations, but while we totally accepted her decision, who knows what the feelings are back home. If she loves her country and now finds herself unable to even go back, it might be a terrible position to be in. And very hard to play under those circumstances.
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mmmm8 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:23 pm
Owendonovan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:03 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:54 am
something has been wrong with Kasatkina for a while now.. wonder what, and, more important, hope she gets over it soon.. the game needs her variety and creativity..
Could it be her cruelly homophobic home country hates homosexuals and invaded a neighboring country preventing her a safe return and that is weighing on her?
Of course, this forum is not representative of other locations, but while we totally accepted her decision, who knows what the feelings are back home. If she loves her country and now finds herself unable to even go back, it might be a terrible position to be in. And very hard to play under those circumstances.
She is unlikely to be afraid to go back (to visit, she lives in Barcelona) because of her coming out, but that same interview contained very strong antiwar positions from her and the interviewer both (also Rublev to a lesser extent). She is probably not in danger of legal persecution, but she would possibly be declared a "foreign agent" as many public figures expressing an antiwar position have been. That carries not only a reputational risk but financial restrictions.
The psychological impact is probably more than all that, though.
by ti-amie Junior Boys Singles Draw
USA Kaylan Bigun [1]/Bye
USA Matthew Forbes vs CAN StephanePierre-Jo Kamendje
USA Jordan Reznik vs USA Matisse Farzam
Bye/USA Rohan Belday [16]
USA Tristan Stringer [12]/Bye
CAN Danny Yassine vs USA Rudy Quan
USA Jack Kennedy vs USA Tygen Goldammer
Bye/USA Adhithya Ganesan [7]
CAN Keegan Rice [4]/Bye
USA Stefan Regalia vs USA Krish Arora
USA Dylan Charlap vs USA Paris Pouatcha
Bye/USA Nikita Filin [15]
USA Cooper Woestendick [11]/Bye
USA Parashar Bhardwaj vs USA Calvin Baierl
USA Hanu Patel vs CAN Connor Church
Bye/USA Meecah Bigun [6]
CAN Duncan Chan [8]/Bye
USA Abhishek Thorat vs USA Nathaniel Suh
USA Noah Johnston vs USA Miguel Tobon
Bye/USA Maxwell Exsted [10]
USA Cyrus Mahjoob [13]/Bye
USA Kase Schinnerer vs CAN Kuang Qing Xu
USA Joseph Oyebog JR vs USA Brody Nejedly
Bye/USA Alexander Razeghi [3]
GBR Oliver Bonding [5]/Bye
USA Francesco Cordova vs USA Nathan Blokhin
USA Jagger Leach vs CAN Adam Faragcao
Bye/USA Stiles Brockett [9]
USA Aayush P Bhat [14]/Bye
USA Nikola Parichkov vs USA Mitchell Lee
CAN Denny Bao vs USA Keaton Hance
Bye/USA Roy Horovitz [2]
by ti-amie Junior Girls Singles Draw
USA Iva Jovic[1]/Bye
USA Annika Penickova vs CAN Nadia Lagaev
USA Brooke Lynn Schafer vs USA Julieta Pareja
Bye/USA Victoria Osuigwe [16]
USA Alanis Hamilton [9]/Bye
USA Tianmei Wang vs USA Kristina Penickova
USA Jessica Bernales vs CAN Teah Chavez
Bye/USA Ashton Bowers [6]
USA Clervie Ngounoue [3]/Bye
USA Kate Fakih vs CAN Raphaelle Leroux
USA Maya Dutta vs USA Mika Ikemori
Bye/USA Tyra Caterina Grant [15]
USA Maya Joint [12]/Bye
USA Martina Marica vs USA Ava Bruno
USA Maren Urata vs USA Rachel Lee
Bye/USA Anya Murthy [8]
USA Theadora Rabman [7]/Bye
USA Stephanie Yakoff vs CAN Mariya Dobreva
USA Shannon Lam vs USA Alyssa Ahn
Bye/USA Qavia Lopez [10]
CAN Ellie Daniels [13]/Bye
USA Ahmani Guichard vs USA Allie Bittner
NOR Emily Sartz-Lunde vs USA Sahana Sanjeev
Bye/USA Tatum Evans [4]
USA Ariana Anazagasty-Pursoo [5]/Bye
USA Aspen Schuman vs USA Valerie Glozman
USA Kayla Chung vs USA Susanna Maltby
Bye/USA Ava Krug [11]
USA Piper Charney [14]/Bye
USA Isabella Chhiv vs USA Thea Frodin
CAN Eliana Kook vs USA Meera Jesudason
Bye/USA Kaitlin Quevedo [2]
by
Deuce mmmm8 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:05 pm
Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:26 am
^ You're also the one who blatantly called Isner a 'racist', which is a huge accusation (and one that Isner's good friend James Blake, who knows him far better than you do,
would surely object to).
I rest my case about judgmentalism.
How do you know James Blake's inner thoughts and feelings? Having a black friend doesn't make someone not a racist.
Yes... so let's just assume that people are racist, then, without any supporting evidence.
Let's all accuse others of racism and of other disgusting elements on a whim just because we feel like it and because it makes us feel better. Sure. What a wonderful world that would be, huh?
I think it's pretty safe to say that if John Isner had a racism problem, James Blake would not be one of his close friends - Blake would have called him on it a long time ago.
In addition, Isner has always been one of the most liked and respected players on the tour according to his peers.
The fact that we're even discussing whether Isner is a racist is incredibly unfair to him.
And I'm not saying this because I like Isner - I'm entirely indifferent toward him. I do absolutely loathe unjust accusations of anyone, though.
The demonizing and extreme accusations which are flippantly made today toward anyone one disagrees with (mostly by the 'politically correct' faction) make me sick. They like to claim that they are 'saving society', but what they're truly doing is destroying society with their endless demonizing and accusations - all while preaching 'tolerance', of course!
What utter hypocrisy.
Sigh.
If you're attempting to be a moral beacon, methinks your contempt and disapproval would be better aimed at the person who blatantly and publicly (as this is a public forum) accused Isner of being a racist.
by Deuce Gauff is having a really tough time with Rebecca Peterson right now. Peterson has been playing well of late.
Gauff was totally lost in the 2nd set, which she lost 1-6, after winning the 1st rather convincingly 6-3.
4-4 in the 3rd now...
Sakkari - Pliskova are starting the 3rd set...
Medvedev - Zverev are at 4-4 in the 2nd set.
Zverev won the 1st in a tiebreak.
by Deuce Gauff got a late break in the 3rd to win it...
Sakkari served for the match at 5-2, but couldn't get it done - she had to break in the next game to win it - Pliskova double faulted on match point.
Sakkari had 29 break points - and converted on 7 of them.
Medvedev won the 2nd in another tiebreak, and they are into the 3rd now.
Medvedev hurt his ankle in the 2nd set... then whined about the timing of the ball change(!) at the beginning of the 3rd...
by JazzNU Great win and well played for Sakkari. Not a great win for Coco, but a win is a win. She's going to need to button that up big time to compete well in the next round. I hope she's on the practice court right now working on her forehand.
by ponchi101 They showed a bit of Coco'a match. Count me alone in the "her forehand is not thaaaaat bad" camp. But she was hitting a heavy ball.
Still, if you get pushed by Peterson deep into the 3rd, yes, an extra practice session can come handy.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:01 pm
They showed a bit of Coco'a match. Count me alone in the "her forehand is not thaaaaat bad" camp. But she was hitting a heavy ball.
Still, if you get pushed by Peterson deep into the 3rd, yes, an extra practice session can come handy.
What you may have missed is that she was in that position because her forehand went truly awry today, just a ton of errors off that side. It was majorly off, she just couldn't control it today.
by Deuce Krejcikova and Sabalenka are into a 3rd set.
I think Krejcikova may be the player who uses her intelligence the most to figure out the best way to beat an opponent. She goes into a match with a plan, and she can adjust along the way if her initial plan isn't working. That's how she won the 2nd set today.
She's down a break in the 3rd now, though...
by ponchi101 They are showing a rerun of a match between Rublev and Norrie.
I say rerun because I am sure I have seen this Rublev match before. Like 10 times. 11. Always.
by
Owendonovan 
Zverev lost 7-5 in the 3rd.
by JTContinental It’s been a few years since they played, but Peterson kicked Coco’s butt 1 & 2 in their only other meeting.
by Deuce Muchova was just about to put a solid, comprehensive straight set win in the books over Vondrousova - she was serving at 5-3 in the 2nd... had a match point... and she lost the plot again, as she did in the 2nd set yesterday vs. Trevisan.
She had another match point on Vondrousova’s serve at 6-5.
Vondrousova just won the 2nd set in a tiebreak.
Muchova seems to be getting nervous and questioning herself at certain points in these matches. It’s disappointing - because up to 5-3 in the 2nd, it looked like vintage Muchova was back, with her very nice all court game.
To my eye, Kvitova simply outsmarted Pegula in the 1st set, winning it 6-2.
Trying to keep one eye on each match.
A few sprinklings of rain on the courts...
by martini4me That's some heavy cloud rolling in. A good bit of rain is forecast for this evening and overnight.
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by JazzNU Daniil was acting special through a good bit of the match. Some call it entertainment, some call it unprofessional. And let's be honest, that ump could've done more.
by ti-amie Muchova is serving for the match again...
The taping on her left upper thigh is both kinesio and the heavier stuff and yet here we are.
by Deuce The Muchova - Vondrousova match was brutal to watch as a Muchova fan...
Muchova finally won it - but it was a massive struggle.
It wasn't the taping on her thigh(s) that was the issue - it was her nervousness.
Every time she would take a step forward, she would immediately take a step - OR TWO - back. In the 3rd set, she would break, and then immediately give the break right back.
She was playing very nervous, frightened tennis.
She admitted after the match that she was “very shaky and stressed”.
She needs to get her mind stabilized if she is to get back to where she was.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:36 am
He wanted them to find a new surface mid-match. Also, it's his 3rd match, so an interesting complaint to have right now. Might have had something to do with him losing at that point.
by JazzNU This shaggy dog hair and overly relaxed kit is not working to make Fritz the face of US Men's Tennis the way they are hoping. I don't care that he can clean up well, he so rarely looks the way he does in a magazine spread. I think Marton picked up more fans today than Taylor did when he changed his shirt mid-match on court.
by Deuce That was a captivating end to the Pegula - Kvitova match...
Pegula gets broken by a very determined Kvitova when serving for the match at 5-4... Then Kvitova goes up 30 - love on her serve, only to blow the game with a double fault and a couple of nervous errors...
Then Kvitova breaks right back to send it to a tiebreak...
Kvitova was definitely the one deciding the path of those last few games, both in her favour and against herself - it was reminiscent of the back & forth Jekyll & Hyde we see so often from Sabalenka, but all concentrated into a few games.
The tiebreak was, predictably, rather shaky from both players, with most points coming from unforced errors. But every once in a while, a clutch winner would come out of nowhere.
You knew the tiebreak was going to be back & forth, and not straightforward, and would go to double digits.
In the end, Kvitova won - that's really all that can be said.
Total points were 95-95. Of course.
by ponchi101 I don't know if that was an awfully terrific match or a terrifically awful match.
But it was fun.
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ponchi101 JazzNU wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:54 am
This shaggy dog hair and overly relaxed kit is not working to make Fritz the face of US Men's Tennis the way they are hoping. I don't care that he can clean up well, he so rarely looks the way he does in a magazine spread.
I think Marton picked up more fans today than Taylor did when he changed his shirt mid-match on court.
GF. Marton Fucsovics instant fan. Could not care less how well he plays.
by ashkor87 Phew . kvitova just escaped..not for nothing is she a grand slam champion..didn't get to see the match but I wonder if it was good tennis- drama certainly, but tennis?
by ti-amie Wednesday, March 15, 2023 Day 10
STADIUM 1 Starts At 11:00 Am
QF
(10) Cameron Norrie VS (14) Frances Tiafoe
Not Before 1:00 PM
(6) Coco Gauff VS (2) Aryna Sabalenka
Not Before 3:00 Pm
QF
(5) Daniil Medvedev VS (23) Alejandro Davidovich Fokina
Not Before 6:00 PM
(7) Maria Sakkari VS TBD
Not Before 8:00 Pm
QF
Simone Bolelli/Fabio Fognini VS John Isner/Jack Sock
STADIUM 2 Not Before 1:00 PM
(ALT) Belinda Bencic/Jil Teichmann VS Beatriz Haddad Maia/Laura Siegemund
Followed By
(OSE) Magda Linette/Caty McNally VS Shuko Aoyama/Ena Shibahara
Not Before 6:00 Pm
QF
Felix Auger-Aliassime/Denis Shapovalov VS Rohan Bopanna/Matthew Ebden
STADIUM 5 Starts At 10:00 Am / FILA International Jr. Girls
Eliana Kook VS (2) Kaitlin Quevedo
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Boys
(WC) Keaton Hance VS (2) Roy Horovitz
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Girls
(1) Qavia Lopez/Clervie Ngounoue VS Isabella Chhiv/Maren Urata
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Boys
(1) Roy Horovitz/Alexander Razeghi VS Stefan Regalia/Jordan Reznik
STADIUM 6 Starts At 10:00 Am / FILA International Jr. Girls
Emily Sartz-Lunde VS (4) Tatum Evans
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Boys
Jagger Leach VS (9) Stiles Brockett
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Girls
(WC) Kenna Erickson/Sabrina Lin VS (4) Ava Krug/Theadora Rabman
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Boys
Ian Bracks/Abhishek Thorat VS (2) Duncan Chan/Keegan Rice
STADIUM 7 Starts At 10:00 Am / FILA International Jr. Girls
Shannon Lam VS (10) Qavia Lopez
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Boys
(5) Oliver Bonding VS (WC) Nathan Blokhin
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Girls
(3) Piper Charney/Kaitlin Quevedo VS Valerie Glozman/Anya Murthy
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Boys
Jagger Leach/Joseph Oyebog JR VS (3) Aayush P Bhat/Adhithya Ganesan
STADIUM 8 Starts At 10:00 Am / FILA International Jr. Girls
(7) Theadora Rabman VS (WC) Stephanie Yakoff
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Boys
(Q) Brody Nejedly VS (3) Alexander Razeghi
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Girls
Teah Chavez/Ellie Daniels VS (2) Tyra Caterina Grant/Iva Jovic
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Boys
Paris Pouatcha/Miguel Tobon VS (8) Matthew Forbes/Cooper Woestendick
STADIUM 9 Starts At 10:00 Am / FILA International Jr. Girls
(13) Ellie Daniels VS Ahmani Guichard
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Boys
(13) Cyrus Mahjoob VS Kase Schinnerer
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Girls
(5) Ariana Anazagasty-Pursoo/Maya Joint VS Kayla Chung/Alanis Hamilton
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Boys
(5) Stiles Brockett/Kuang Qing Xu VS Krish Arora/Rudy Quan
COURT 16 Starts At 10:00 Am / FILA International Jr. Girls
(5) Ariana Anazagasty-Pursoo VS (WC) Valerie Glozman
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Boys
(14) Aayush P Bhat VS Mitchell Lee
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Girls
(WC) Annika Penickova/Kristina Penickova VS (6) Tatum Evans/Ahmani Guichard
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Boys
Tygen Goldammer/Kase Schinnerer VS (6) Oliver Bonding/Mitchell Lee
COURT 17 Starts At 10:00 Am / FILA International Jr. Girls
(Q) Susanna Maltby VS (11) Ava Krug
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Boys
(8) Duncan Chan VS Abhishek Thorat
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Girls
(8) Victoria Osuigwe/Emily Sartz-Lunde VS Kate Fakih/Shannon Lam
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Boys
(4) Maxwell Exsted/Nikita Filin VS (WC) Keaton Hance/Jack Kennedy
COURT 18 Starts At 10:00 Am / FILA International Jr. Girls
(14) Piper Charney VS Thea Frodin
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Boys
Miguel Tobon VS (10) Maxwell Exsted
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Girls
Jessica Bernales/Ava Bruno VS (7) Ashton Bowers/Brooke Lynn Schafer
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Boys
(7) Francesco Cordova/Tristan Stringer VS (WC) Noah Johnston/Calvin Wang
by
ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:41 am
Phew . kvitova just escaped..not for nothing is she a grand slam champion..didn't get to see the match but I wonder if it was good tennis- drama certainly, but tennis?
Errors galore. Pegula served for it, Kvitova kept hitting everything hard and some landed in.
What you say. Good drama, the tennis was questionably decent.
by Deuce Rybakina easily over Gracheva, 3 and love...
Garcia is trying to dig herself out of the hole she put herself in (although Cirstea is playing some decent tennis).
4-4 in the 3rd...
by
JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:11 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:41 am
Phew . kvitova just escaped..not for nothing is she a grand slam champion..didn't get to see the match but I wonder if it was good tennis- drama certainly, but tennis?
Errors galore. Pegula served for it, Kvitova kept hitting everything hard and some landed in.
What you say. Good drama, the tennis was questionably decent.
In the tiebreak for sure, the wind was carrying Kvitova's balls further than what she meant to hit it, but almost always just by a bit. She was so exasperated that that series of shots kept going out. Thank goodness she finally took the ball the other direction.
by Deuce Add yet another in-match retirement - this time Draper, in his match vs. Alcaraz.
I'm curious to see how and what Raducanu does vs. Swiatek. Hopefully not another retirement. They'll be starting in about 15 minutes.
by ponchi101 Garcia regressing slowly to what we have seen for the last few years.
by ponchi101 So.
ESPN down here is showing a small promo for women's equality (women' day was recent) and with the hashtag #cheerforequality.
But, with the world #1 playing a former USO champ, they are showing Stan/Jannick. Iga/Emma is being shown in ESPN+, their subscription service.
Makes a lot of sense. To somebody else...
by ashkor87 Garcia becoming as much of an enigma as Pliskova..!
by JazzNU Emma competed much, much better than the scoreline suggests. Let's hope this form continues in Miami and beyond.
Happy that Iga isn't rolling over most of opponents like she was in many of her matches in the Middle East. Hopefully this helps blunt that trend of what appeared to be players ducking out on matches against her with no visible injuries.
by ashkor87 'I know what is hard court,” he told Lichtenstein, “I’m a specialist at hard court. This is not hard court.” Medvedev complaining about the slow court! Told the umpire he would take his time walking slow to the bathroom because it is a sloooow court !
This is for those on this forum who don't believe IW is the slowest court on the planet! Actually, I think Miami may be even slower..we shall see!
by Deuce Raducanu stayed right with Swiatek for the first half of the 1st set. Then Emma appeared to be getting tired from the constant running she was doing, and Swiatek won the second half of the set. 6-3.
The 2nd set continued in that direction, and was more and more one-sided. 6-1.
Emma said the day before that she had done 'hardly any preparation' for Indian Wells.
by Suliso What's her excuse for doing hardly any preparation?
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Deuce Suliso wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:05 am
What's her excuse for doing hardly any preparation?
I don't know - she didn't specify. I assume it had something to do with the injuries she had that caused her to retire and withdraw so much... but then again, that was late last year, so who knows?
It was strange... it was during the on-court interview after she beat Haddad Maia where she said she had hardly prepared for Indian Wells. And she said that very clearly, in the context of saying that she was surprised that she was playing so well. But right after that, she said that she had "worked hard for the past 2 weeks". So I imagine she meant that she had not done much preparation prior to the past 2 weeks.
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JTContinental ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:21 am
Garcia regressing slowly to what we have seen for the last few years.
I knew that level of tennis was unsustainable for her
by
Deuce Felix displayed a ton of guts, being down 3 match points at 0-40, 5-6, and coming back to send it to a tiebreak.
But he choked in the tiebreak as Paul won 5 straight points, and Felix faced 3 more match points. He saved those 3 match points, as well, as he ran off 5 straight points of his own to win the tiebreak 8-6.
Well done!
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JTContinental JazzNU wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:25 am
Emma competed much, much better than the scoreline suggests. Let's hope this form continues in Miami and beyond.
Happy that Iga isn't rolling over most of opponents like she was in many of her matches in the Middle East. Hopefully this helps blunt that trend of what appeared to be players ducking out on matches against her with no visible injuries.
Both Emma and Bianca played much better tennis here, and both of those would qualify as "good" losses.
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JTContinental Suliso wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:05 am
What's her excuse for doing hardly any preparation?
I think I saw something a couple of weeks ago about a wrist tweak.
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ashkor87 JazzNU wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:25 am
Emma competed much, much better than the scoreline suggests. Let's hope this form continues in Miami and beyond.
Happy that Iga isn't rolling over most of opponents like she was in many of her matches in the Middle East. Hopefully this helps blunt that trend of what appeared to be players ducking out on matches against her with no visible injuries.
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"emma competed much, much better than the scoreline suggests".
That is probably true of many of her wins..the thing is, she wins the important points, other players win points on their own serve, to Iga it doesn't matter whose serve it is ..
by ashkor87 Tiafoe vs Norrie tomorrow is intriguing..Both playing well,. Both have the right kind of game..I would bet on Norrie but would be pleased if Tiafoe wins through..
Sakkari vs Kvitova..wel, Pegula is better than Sakkari so ...
Gauff hss no more than 10% chance against Sabalenka...Rybakina will find Muchova tough but should be able to overpower her ..
by ponchi101 That was a tough loss for Paul. Very much in his hands and then, nothing.
If he wants to enter the realm of top players, he cannot lose matches like this.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:26 am
'I know what is hard court,” he told Lichtenstein, “I’m a specialist at hard court. This is not hard court.” Medvedev complaining about the slow court! Told the umpire he would take his time walking slow to the bathroom because it is a sloooow court !
This is for those on this forum who don't believe IW is the slowest court on the planet! Actually, I think Miami may be even slower..we shall see!
So, we are supposed to take the word of a famous complainer like Medvedev at face value? It is not as if he has never complained about "anything" about a court.
(Remember when he threatened to sue the Canada tournament because of the position of the cameras? After he ran into one because he was so far back).
And we are not saying courts today are not slow. What some are saying is that it is not the determining factor that you claim they are. Medvedev may have been complaining about the court, yet he still won the match.
by ashkor87 I never said they are the determining factor, they are simply an overlooked factor especially at the highest level, where margins are anyway so thin
by ashkor87 Sinner's win over Wawrinka surprised me..did he play that well or was Wawrinka tired?
by ponchi101 It was a slugfest, and Jannick was able to keep the ball in a bit longer. If you are into power tennis, catch the replay. There were some points in which, if you were seating at the very edge of the court, you would whiplash your neck.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:19 pm
I never said they are the determining factor, they are simply an overlooked factor especially at the highest level, where margins are anyway so thin
C'mon, Ashkor. You frequently post predictions about who will win, who will do well, who will not, and you usually claim some court speed factor.
It is your most important factor. You even recently claimed that Wimbledon is close to playing slower that RG.
For me. This court, and all courts in the world, are becoming too slow for the combination of power and speed the players and the new racquets are bringing. Medvedev and Zverev were ripping the ball yesterday, yet we had a lot of long rallies. Sinner/Stan was the same. It was almost impossible to hit a winner.
So, I agree. Courts today are slow. TOO slow. But all players are playing well on them, so it is (to me) not an important factor.
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:12 pm
That was a tough loss for Paul. Very much in his hands and then, nothing.
If he wants to enter the realm of top players, he cannot lose matches like this.
True, but he is not really that good anyway, not that complete a player, FAA is a 'higher class' player..if Paul weren't American...
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:32 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:19 pm
I never said they are the determining factor, they are simply an overlooked factor especially at the highest level, where margins are anyway so thin
C'mon, Ashkor. You frequently post predictions about who will win, who will do well, who will not, and you usually claim some court speed factor.
It is your most important factor. You even recently claimed that Wimbledon is close to playing slower that RG.
For me. This court, and all courts in the world, are becoming too slow for the combination of power and speed the players and the new racquets are bringing. Medvedev and Zverev were ripping the ball yesterday, yet we had a lot of long rallies. Sinner/Stan was the same. It was almost impossible to hit a winner.
So, I agree. Courts today are slow. TOO slow. But all players are playing well on them, so it is (to me) not an important factor.
Which doesn't prove I think it is the determining factor. I venture to submit that nobody except me even thinks it is a factor, which I am interested in correcting.
by ashkor87 But enough of this! I will stop writing about court speed if people on this forum aren't interested. I have made my points often enough!
by ponchi101 No need to go that far. We are here to TAT. And that is one aspect.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:43 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:12 pm
That was a tough loss for Paul. Very much in his hands and then, nothing.
If he wants to enter the realm of top players, he cannot lose matches like this.
True, but he is not really that good anyway, not that complete a player, FAA is a 'higher class' player..if Paul weren't American...
Ah, another disagreement brews!
I actually like Paul's game a lot. The strokes are solid; you don't see any biomechanical flaws in there. He is solid at the net, the serve is good. What I am not sure is if he has a weapon to dominate. A "Rafa's FH" or "Novak's BH". I don't know if he is going to be like a Berdych or a Ferrer, good enough for a very good career. But he may be missing that final something.
by dryrunguy Honest question... Why would a young tennis player choose to have a really high ball toss on their serve? With so much of the season played outdoors, I am a bit mystified why someone would choose such a toss. If conditions aren't perfect, things can go horribly wrong very quickly.
(This is not intended to advocate for the other end of the spectrum--like a shoulder-high Conchita Martinez serve.)
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:12 pm
That was a tough loss for Paul. Very much in his hands and then, nothing.
If he wants to enter the realm of top players, he cannot lose matches like this.
An excellent (and very dramatic) win for FAA. A much needed one I'd say as well.
And I wouldn't say it was in Paul's hands. FAA was down 3 match points in that final game and then down 3 more match points in the tiebreaker, but almost all were on FAA's serve and he came up with the goods. There was one shot that FAA got lucky on in the 5-6 game that was unlucky for Paul that it managed to land in despite being (expletive), but that wouldn't have been Paul winning it there, but an FAA error.
I thought Tommy would win this on a slower court, but not because I think he's a better player. I agree that he can't lose matches like this, but I also haven't felt like he has the tools in his game to take control of a match like this the way FAA did on his end. I think Tommy might be on the losing end of many matches like this against top 20-ish talent if he leaves it for the end, assuming his game stays this way.
by ti-amie Tiafoe just took Norrie out in straights 4&4
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nelslus ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:08 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:43 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:12 pm
That was a tough loss for Paul. Very much in his hands and then, nothing.
If he wants to enter the realm of top players, he cannot lose matches like this.
True, but he is not really that good anyway, not that complete a player, FAA is a 'higher class' player..if Paul weren't American...
Ah, another disagreement brews!
I actually like Paul's game a lot. The strokes are solid; you don't see any biomechanical flaws in there. He is solid at the net, the serve is good. What I am not sure is if he has a weapon to dominate. A "Rafa's FH" or "Novak's BH". I don't know if he is going to be like a Berdych or a Ferrer, good enough for a very good career. But he may be missing that final something.
.....WELL, finally- what we all have been waiting for, inevitably. A Ponchi/Ashkor war. SOMEONE, bring me my popcorn.
Actually, I've been talking about the slowing down of the court surfaces for ages. For example, I think Rafa would have struggled at Wimbledon back when the Wimbledon grass was lightning fast. However- IMO, it is very arguable that the courts getting slowed down has made for more entertaining tennis matches, with better rallies.
Of course, court speeds are a significant factor with the success of today's players. Interestingly enough- I truly have no idea the court surface speeds have changed over the years with Indian Wells and Miami. I just haven't paid attention to these tournaments as much, in many ways. Does anyone have any sense of any changes with Indian Wells and/or Miami.
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nelslus ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:07 pm
Tiafoe just took Norrie out in straights 4&4
I love when Francis plays this well. I'd love for him to win at least one Slam. If only he could find a consistently high level.
by nelslus BTW, truly- one has to see Sabalenka live to fully appreciate how freakin' hard she hits the ball. I actually especially loved watching some of her doubles live when she played with Mertens. Incredible groundstrokes. The sound of the thumps when she hits the ball.
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ponchi101 nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:12 pm
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.....WELL, finally- what we all have been waiting for, inevitably. A Ponchi/Ashkor war. SOMEONE, bring me my popcorn.
Actually, I've been talking about the slowing down of the court surfaces for ages. For example, I think Rafa would have struggled at Wimbledon back when the Wimbledon grass was lightning fast. However- IMO, it is very arguable that the courts getting slowed down has made for more entertaining tennis matches, with better rallies.
Of course, court speeds are a significant factor with the success of today's players. Interestingly enough- I truly have no idea the court surface speeds have changed over the years with Indian Wells and Miami. I just haven't paid attention to these tournaments as much, in many ways. Does anyone have any sense of any changes with Indian Wells and/or Miami.
Rafa and Novak would have never won Wimbledon on 1985's grass. Never.
Roger would have reached 10 titles.
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nelslus ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:26 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:12 pm
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.....WELL, finally- what we all have been waiting for, inevitably. A Ponchi/Ashkor war. SOMEONE, bring me my popcorn.
Actually, I've been talking about the slowing down of the court surfaces for ages. For example, I think Rafa would have struggled at Wimbledon back when the Wimbledon grass was lightning fast. However- IMO, it is very arguable that the courts getting slowed down has made for more entertaining tennis matches, with better rallies.
Of course, court speeds are a significant factor with the success of today's players. Interestingly enough- I truly have no idea the court surface speeds have changed over the years with Indian Wells and Miami. I just haven't paid attention to these tournaments as much, in many ways. Does anyone have any sense of any changes with Indian Wells and/or Miami.
Rafa and Novak would have never won Wimbledon on 1985's grass. Never.
Roger would have reached 10 titles.
AND the Aussie was still on grass in 1985.
I think Novak would have won some Wimbledon titles regardless. Rafa would, for sure, have struggled. I do agree that Roger could have gotten double digit Wimbledon titles. In any era, Rafa was gonna win 20 Roland Garros titles. But, hey- all three got ridiculous careers out of today's court speeds.
by nelslus BTW, yet another default. Bencic & Teichmann have apparently dropped out of the doubles. No specific snark meant against either player- could be injuries, illnesses, etc. But, this is, indeed, a significant issue.
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JazzNU dryrunguy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:42 pm
Honest question... Why would a young tennis player choose to have a really high ball toss on their serve? With so much of the season played outdoors, I am a bit mystified why someone would choose such a toss. If conditions aren't perfect, things can go horribly wrong very quickly.
(This is not intended to advocate for the other end of the spectrum--like a shoulder-high Conchita Martinez serve.)
As a guess, that they were having trouble timing the hit right when the ball toss was lower. Like maybe they were chasing it too much or maybe most of the serves with the lower toss were going into the net or something like that because their contact point was lower than it should be. They also might have been bad at timing the lower throw well or just not great at throwing in general with their non dominant hand. But yes, the higher ball tosses can go awry.
by ponchi101 We are also seeing the European school. Steffi had a super high toss. Lendl too. Sukova's was high.
It does give you a bit more time for that racquet to get there. And since nobody is even pretending to serve and volley, no big deal.
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JazzNU ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:26 am
'I know what is hard court,” he told Lichtenstein, “I’m a specialist at hard court. This is not hard court.” Medvedev complaining about the slow court! Told the umpire he would take his time walking slow to the bathroom because it is a sloooow court !
This is for those on this forum who don't believe IW is the slowest court on the planet!
Actually, I think Miami may be even slower..we shall see!
What are you basing this on?
by nelslus .....As for the Sabalenka/Gauff match....SHEEEESH!!!!
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mick1303 nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:32 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:26 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:12 pm
...
.....WELL, finally- what we all have been waiting for, inevitably. A Ponchi/Ashkor war. SOMEONE, bring me my popcorn.
Actually, I've been talking about the slowing down of the court surfaces for ages. For example, I think Rafa would have struggled at Wimbledon back when the Wimbledon grass was lightning fast. However- IMO, it is very arguable that the courts getting slowed down has made for more entertaining tennis matches, with better rallies.
Of course, court speeds are a significant factor with the success of today's players. Interestingly enough- I truly have no idea the court surface speeds have changed over the years with Indian Wells and Miami. I just haven't paid attention to these tournaments as much, in many ways. Does anyone have any sense of any changes with Indian Wells and/or Miami.
Rafa and Novak would have never won Wimbledon on 1985's grass. Never.
Roger would have reached 10 titles.
AND the Aussie was still on grass in 1985.
I think Novak would have won some Wimbledon titles regardless. Rafa would, for sure, have struggled. I do agree that Roger could have gotten double digit Wimbledon titles. In any era, Rafa was gonna win 20 Roland Garros titles. But, hey- all three got ridiculous careers out of today's court speeds.
Disagree about "any era". Without synthetic strings and without over-sized racketheads Rafa's game would suffer the most. I actually think that Borg would win against Nadal more often than lose if they were meeting back then.
by ponchi101 If Rafa had ever tried to hit that FH with a wood racquet, his elbow would have been shattered.
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ti-amie nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:33 pm
.....As for the Sabalenka/Gauff match....SHEEEESH!!!!
You're too kind.
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nelslus ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:37 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:33 pm
.....As for the Sabalenka/Gauff match....SHEEEESH!!!!
You're too kind.
....First time I've ever gotten this compliment.
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nelslus mick1303 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:08 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:32 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:26 pm
Rafa and Novak would have never won Wimbledon on 1985's grass. Never.
Roger would have reached 10 titles.
AND the Aussie was still on grass in 1985.
I think Novak would have won some Wimbledon titles regardless. Rafa would, for sure, have struggled. I do agree that Roger could have gotten double digit Wimbledon titles. In any era, Rafa was gonna win 20 Roland Garros titles. But, hey- all three got ridiculous careers out of today's court speeds.
Disagree about "any era". Without synthetic strings and without over-sized racketheads Rafa's game would suffer the most. I actually think that Borg would win against Nadal more often than lose if they were meeting back then.
Borg's one of my all-time favorites. So, I'm all for you being right about this. (IF, sadly, I'd also disagree in this case. But, again, I'd rather agree with you.)
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:37 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:33 pm
.....As for the Sabalenka/Gauff match....SHEEEESH!!!!
You're too kind.
Honestly thought it was great Coco got on the board and made that first set not completely one way traffic given how on Sabalenka was today. There was a point in the first set when I said out loud to the TV "hope she at least wins a game" because it was feeling like a 35 minute kind of match initially. But, if Aryna doesn't even throw in a single double fault, you know she's in the zone.
by ti-amie Day 11 - March 16 Order of Play
STARTS AT 11:00 AM
CZE Karolina Muchova vs KAZ Elena Rybakina[10]
FOLLOWED BY
POL Iga Swiatek [1] vs ROU Sorana Cirstea
NOT BEFORE 3:00 PM
USA Taylor Fritz [4] vs ITA Jannik Sinner [11]
NOT BEFORE 6:00 PM
ESP Carlos Alcaraz [1] vs CAN Felix Auger-Aliassime [8]
FOLLOWED BY
NED Wesley Koolhof [1]/GBR Neal Skupski [1] vs GBR Jamie Murray/NZL Michael Venus
STADIUM 2 1:00 PM PT
CZE Barbora Krejcikova [1]/CZE Katerina Siniakova [1] vs AUS Storm Hunter [6]/BEL Elise Mertens [6]
FOLLOWED BY
CAN Gabriela Dabrowski/BRA Luisa Stefani vs JPN Miyu Kato/INA Aldila Sutjiadi
NOT BEFORE 6:00 PM
MEX Santiago Gonzalez/FRA Edouard Roger-Vasselin vs GBR Lloyd Glasspool [5]/FIN Harri Heliovaara [5]
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ti-amie JazzNU wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:02 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:37 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:33 pm
.....As for the Sabalenka/Gauff match....SHEEEESH!!!!
You're too kind.
Honestly thought it was great Coco got on the board and made that first set not completely one way traffic given how on Sabalenka was today. There was a point in the first set when I said out loud to the TV "hope she at least wins a game" because it was feeling like a 35 minute kind of match initially. But, if Aryna doesn't even throw in a single double fault, you know she's in the zone.
She looked completely lost out there, Cori that is. I was glad she made the first set competitive.
by ti-amie
Frances kit is just wonderful on him.
by Deuce I am pretty much convinced that Medvedev is not of the human species.
He's a cartoon character.
He has the face of a cartoon character - always with that permanent silly grin/scowl...
He plays tennis like a cartoon character - his strokes are so incredibly awkward looking, like he's made of rubber...
His personality is like a cartoon character - unpredictable, often irrational, but also bordering on genius...
Davidovich-Fokina is definitely getting his chances - but he's blowing them with very careless unforced errors.
by texasniteowl So what medical issue is DM having? I'm watching the score (not the match) and it says a medical evaluation on Medvedev?
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Deuce texasniteowl wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:39 pm
So what medical issue is DM having? I'm watching the score (not the match) and it says a medical evaluation on Medvedev?
He slipped slightly when trying to start a sprint for a drop shot, and when he slipped, he landed on his hands without letting go of the racquet, and his right thumb was jammed between the racquet and the court.
Of course, he's been blaming the court surface for his thumb injury, saying it's because the surface is too rough...
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texasniteowl Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:49 pm
texasniteowl wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:39 pm
So what medical issue is DM having? I'm watching the score (not the match) and it says a medical evaluation on Medvedev?
He slipped slightly when trying to start a sprint for a drop shot, and when he slipped, he landed on his hands without letting go of the racquet, and his right thumb was jammed between the racquet and the court.
Of course, he's been blaming the court surface for his thumb injury, saying it's because the surface is too rough...
ah. thanks. Did he complain about the court in his previous match too?
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Deuce texasniteowl wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:04 am
Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:49 pm
texasniteowl wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:39 pm
So what medical issue is DM having? I'm watching the score (not the match) and it says a medical evaluation on Medvedev?
He slipped slightly when trying to start a sprint for a drop shot, and when he slipped, he landed on his hands without letting go of the racquet, and his right thumb was jammed between the racquet and the court.
Of course, he's been blaming the court surface for his thumb injury, saying it's because the surface is too rough...
ah. thanks. Did he complain about the court in his previous match too?
Yes... complaining that it's too slow... saying that he's going to take a long time to walk to the bathroom because the courts are so slow... saying that he's a "hard court specialist", and this is not a normal hard court, etc.
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ashkor87 JazzNU wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:08 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:26 am
'I know what is hard court,” he told Lichtenstein, “I’m a specialist at hard court. This is not hard court.” Medvedev complaining about the slow court! Told the umpire he would take his time walking slow to the bathroom because it is a sloooow court !
This is for those on this forum who don't believe IW is the slowest court on the planet!
Actually, I think Miami may be even slower..we shall see!
What are you basing this on?
The YouTube videos of last year
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:17 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:26 am
'I know what is hard court,” he told Lichtenstein, “I’m a specialist at hard court. This is not hard court.” Medvedev complaining about the slow court! Told the umpire he would take his time walking slow to the bathroom because it is a sloooow court !
This is for those on this forum who don't believe IW is the slowest court on the planet! Actually, I think Miami may be even slower..we shall see!
So, we are supposed to take the word of a famous complainer like Medvedev at face value? It is not as if he has never complained about "anything" about a court.
(Remember when he threatened to sue the Canada tournament because of the position of the cameras? After he ran into one because he was so far back).
And we are not saying courts today are not slow. What some are saying is that it is not the determining factor that you claim they are. Medvedev may have been complaining about the court, yet he still won the match.
Best not to get emotionally involved with players one doesn't know..which, for me, is all of them .if you know Medvedev or anyone else personally, by all means do..but ...
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ashkor87 JazzNU wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:08 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:26 am
'I know what is hard court,” he told Lichtenstein, “I’m a specialist at hard court. This is not hard court.” Medvedev complaining about the slow court! Told the umpire he would take his time walking slow to the bathroom because it is a sloooow court !
This is for those on this forum who don't believe IW is the slowest court on the planet!
Actually, I think Miami may be even slower..we shall see!
What are you basing this on?
What are you basing this on?
YouTube videos of last year...Miami looks even slower than IW .it could change every year, of course..I remember Agassi and Edberg regularly met in the finals of both and Miami was significantly faster then..lately they have been comparable, I think .
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JazzNU texasniteowl wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:04 am
ah. thanks. Did he complain about the court in his previous match too?
So, so much.
by ashkor87 Speaking of eras, there used to be an exhibition at Caesar'S Palace, I think .where I have seen Borg play Laver (Laver did quite well, and narrowly lost) and Roche beat Stockron easily...the Laver/Roche era players were really very good!
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ashkor87 nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:32 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:26 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:12 pm
...
.....WELL, finally- what we all have been waiting for, inevitably. A Ponchi/Ashkor war. SOMEONE, bring me my popcorn.
Actually, I've been talking about the slowing down of the court surfaces for ages. For example, I think Rafa would have struggled at Wimbledon back when the Wimbledon grass was lightning fast. However- IMO, it is very arguable that the courts getting slowed down has made for more entertaining tennis matches, with better rallies.
Of course, court speeds are a significant factor with the success of today's players. Interestingly enough- I truly have no idea the court surface speeds have changed over the years with Indian Wells and Miami. I just haven't paid attention to these tournaments as much, in many ways. Does anyone have any sense of any changes with Indian Wells and/or Miami.
Rafa and Novak would have never won Wimbledon on 1985's grass. Never.
Roger would have reached 10 titles.
AND the Aussie was still on grass in 1985.
I think Novak would have won some Wimbledon titles regardless. Rafa would, for sure, have struggled. I do agree that Roger could have gotten double digit Wimbledon titles. In any era, Rafa was gonna win 20 Roland Garros titles. But, hey- all three got ridiculous careers out of today's court speeds.
A Ponchi/Ashkor war.
actually, Ponchi is too nice, too courteous, so a war wont happen..not with me anyway.
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Fastbackss ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:22 pm
Frances kit is just wonderful on him.
I agree, with one comment. It appears his shorts "yellow" as the match goes on. I noticed at the end , not the beginning, so not sure what the cause is.
Unrelated - the Norris - Tiafoe match was highly entertaining. I was stoked for Gauff-Sabalenka. And as others have said, it was over early. Aryna stood on her neck and Gauff had no counters of consequence. It was impressive
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ashkor87 Fastbackss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:36 am
ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:22 pm
Frances kit is just wonderful on him.
I agree, with one comment. It appears his shorts "yellow" as the match goes on. I noticed at the end , not the beginning, so not sure what the cause is.
Unrelated - the Norris - Tiafoe match was highly entertaining. I was stoked for Gauff-Sabalenka. And as others have said, it was over early. Aryna stood on her neck and Gauff had no counters of consequence. It was impressive
Gauff-Sabalenka was always going to be like that ..a year ago, Coco might have had a chance, this edition of Sabakenka is one class superior to Coco..and almost everyone else, except Swiatek and Rybakina ..
by ponchi101 If Aryna goes 8 service games with no DF's... I don't think even Iga.
by JazzNU Lindsay Davenport's son (Jagger Leach) is in the junior tournament here. Guess he's still alive in the doubles, lost in the singles today. But has been doing well on the ITF tour this season. Guess we'll be hearing more about him soon.
by Deuce Petra can still play some serious tennis. The intensity's still there - that's obvious...
But she runs out of gas often now.
Yesterday was an exception vs. Pegula. Petra did run out of gas yesterday to a degree, as well - but Pegula wasn't playing high quality tennis, and so Petra was able to get away with her level decreasing in the 3rd set.
But tonight vs. Sakkari was a different story. These days, Petra's going to lose more 3 set matches than she wins.
That's unfortunate.
Age catches up with everyone eventually...
by ashkor87 If Swiatek and Rybakina do meet in the semis, expect the AO result to be reversed...because, you know, the unmentionable CS!
by Deuce ^ Of course - but court speed is NOT the primary element that determines the winner of each match to you, right?
However, it IS what you write in every post where you predict the winner - 'Player A will win this match because the court is slow'; 'Player B will struggle next week because the court is fast'; 'Player C will not do well here because the court is slow' etc., etc., etc. in all of your posts which predict how players will do. It's ALWAYS court speed - and ONLY court speed - that is the determining factor. No other element is ever mentioned - only court speed... hot streaks don't matter, cold streaks don't matter, injuries don't matter (unless their injury makes it more difficult for them to play on a fast court, or slow court, etc.), head-to-head results don't matter... Only court speed determines how players will perform. That is very clear.
So why deny it?
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mick1303 JazzNU wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:08 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:26 am
'I know what is hard court,” he told Lichtenstein, “I’m a specialist at hard court. This is not hard court.” Medvedev complaining about the slow court! Told the umpire he would take his time walking slow to the bathroom because it is a sloooow court !
This is for those on this forum who don't believe IW is the slowest court on the planet!
Actually, I think Miami may be even slower..we shall see!
What are you basing this on?
IW is higher from the sea level. Balls are flying a bit faster and it may give an impression that Miami is slower (also humidity may slightly slow down the balls).
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:16 am
If Aryna goes 8 service games with no DF's... I don't think even Iga.
I would say Swiatek, Rybakina and Sabalenka are in the same class...as are Djokovic and Nadal, Medvedev, Zverev, Alcaraz..though alcaraz may soon be in the Djokovic/Nadal class
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ponchi101 mick1303 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:44 am
JazzNU wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:08 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:26 am
'I know what is hard court,” he told Lichtenstein, “I’m a specialist at hard court. This is not hard court.” Medvedev complaining about the slow court! Told the umpire he would take his time walking slow to the bathroom because it is a sloooow court !
This is for those on this forum who don't believe IW is the slowest court on the planet!
Actually, I think Miami may be even slower..we shall see!
What are you basing this on?
IW is higher from the sea level. Balls are flying a bit faster and it may give an impression that Miami is slower (also humidity may slightly slow down the balls).
Interestingly, I find two elevations for IW. One claims 27 meters OSL. The other shows it at around 841 meters. But most claim the lower figure.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:47 am
If Swiatek and Rybakina do meet in the semis, expect the AO result to be reversed...because, you know, the unmentionable CS!
I think you are selling your girl Elena short.
Serve goes to Rybakina. FH is even, but I will also give it to Rybakina. BH goes to Iga. Foot work too. Net game Elena. And Rybakina is the most composed competitor, while Iga sometimes gets a tiny bit rattled.
Sure, you have to go for Iga; she is the Defending Champ, but I say Elena has as good a chance as anybody.
60-40, Iga.
by ashkor87 I play with a guy regularly who is better than me at everything except serve..he can never beat me so I am not sure breaking it down is useful.
by ashkor87 But 60-40 is about right, I agree
by JazzNU Great win for Sakkari, she's having a great week. Interesting that Kvitova has never reached the SF here in her career. I'd have thought maybe the desert conditions in the Spring might be one of the best places in the US for her to play.
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nelslus JazzNU wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:37 pm
Great win for Sakkari, she's having a great week. Interesting that Kvitova has never reached the SF here in her career. I'd have thought maybe the desert conditions in the Spring might be one of the best places in the US for her to play.
Petra's never done all that well in Indian Wells, relatively speaking- just her second QF. She was on Team Medvedev this year about not liking the slow IW courts. Never done that well at Miami either- one QF. And, the US Open- two QF's. Seemingly being a shyer person- I don't think she much cares for the big US tournaments. Too noisy, her asthma can act up, etc. AND, of course- we'll never know what might have happened, if that monster had never attacked her in her own apartment. I believe she still has no feeling in, maybe, two of her fingers, if I am remembering this correctly. Plus, she's a tour grandma now. So, this tournament was a pretty great one for her.
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JazzNU nelslus wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:59 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:37 pm
Great win for Sakkari, she's having a great week. Interesting that Kvitova has never reached the SF here in her career. I'd have thought maybe the desert conditions in the Spring might be one of the best places in the US for her to play.
Petra's never done all that well in Indian Wells, relatively speaking- just her second QF. She was on Team Medvedev this year about not liking the slow IW courts. Never done that well at Miami either- one QF. And, the US Open- two QF's. Seemingly being a shyer person- I don't think she much cares for the big US tournaments. Too noisy, her asthma can act up, etc. AND, of course- we'll never know what might have happened, if that monster had never attacked her in her own apartment. I believe she still has no feeling in, maybe, two of her fingers, if I am remembering this correctly. Plus, she's a tour grandma now. So, this tournament was a pretty great one for her.
Many asthma sufferers do better in desert conditions, especially when it's not 100 degrees, hence my comment.
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nelslus JazzNU wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:02 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:59 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:37 pm
Great win for Sakkari, she's having a great week. Interesting that Kvitova has never reached the SF here in her career. I'd have thought maybe the desert conditions in the Spring might be one of the best places in the US for her to play.
Petra's never done all that well in Indian Wells, relatively speaking- just her second QF. She was on Team Medvedev this year about not liking the slow IW courts. Never done that well at Miami either- one QF. And, the US Open- two QF's. Seemingly being a shyer person- I don't think she much cares for the big US tournaments. Too noisy, her asthma can act up, etc. AND, of course- we'll never know what might have happened, if that monster had never attacked her in her own apartment. I believe she still has no feeling in, maybe, two of her fingers, if I am remembering this correctly. Plus, she's a tour grandma now. So, this tournament was a pretty great one for her.
Many asthma sufferers do better in desert conditions, especially when it's not 100 degrees, hence my comment.
I meant that asthma is an issue for her in general with some US tournaments- especially the US Open- and, of course, many other tournaments. I meant to just list some of what I feel are issues for her not doing well at the big US tournaments. The attack being, of course, the biggest issue. It continues to kill me that two of my all-time favorites have had to deal with these horrendous attacks.
by ti-amie Muchova is serving to force a TB vs Rybakina in the first set.
by ponchi101 Elena- Iga tomorrow. That should be the good one to see.
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JazzNU nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:37 pm
BTW, yet another default. Bencic & Teichmann have apparently dropped out of the doubles. No specific snark meant against either player- could be injuries, illnesses, etc. But, this is, indeed, a significant issue.
FYI
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nelslus JazzNU wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:39 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:37 pm
BTW, yet another default. Bencic & Teichmann have apparently dropped out of the doubles. No specific snark meant against either player- could be injuries, illnesses, etc. But, this is, indeed, a significant issue.
FYI
Ugghhhh. Sorry to hear about this, of course.
by ti-amie Friday, March 17, 2023 Day 12
STADIUM 1 Starts At 11:00 Am
(1) Barbora Krejcikova/Katerina Siniakova VS Shuko Aoyama/Ena Shibahara
Followed By
Beatriz Haddad Maia/Laura Siegemund VS Miyu Kato/Aldila Sutjiadi
Not Before 3:00 PM
(7) Maria Sakkari VS (2) Aryna Sabalenka
Not Before 6:00 PM
(1) Iga Swiatek VS (10) Elena Rybakina
Not Before 8:00 Pm
John Isner/Jack Sock VS Rohan Bopanna/Matthew Ebden
STADIUM 2 Not Before 6:00 Pm
Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski Or Jamie Murray/Michael Venus VS Santiago Gonzalez/Edouard Roger-Vasselin Or Lloyd Glasspool/ Harri Heliovaara
by ashkor87 Am impressed with Sinner..great win over Fritz..would not have expected it...he is progressing...
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Jeff from TX ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:21 am
Am impressed with Sinner..great win over Fritz..would not have expected it...he is progressing...
I'm not really surprised, given the court speed
Just a little levity, but I do appreciate your comments.
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ashkor87 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:37 pm
I play with a guy regularly who is better than me at everything except serve..he can never beat me so I am not sure breaking it down is useful.
I think we have to visualise how the point would unfold .
On a slow court, Rybakina serves, first serve, not more than 1 ace per game max, ball comes back, rally begins .Swiatek drives her from corner to corner, wins most of the points. If second serve, Swiatek just kills it right away. When Swiatek serves, Rybakina hammers the ball deep and hard, but Swiatek gets many back, court slows it down..overall Swiatek wins the match
On a fast court, Rybakina serves .if she gets a high percentage of first served, Swiatek will be on her back foot, unable to swing away, Rybakina comes up and whacks a winner. When Swiatek serves, Rybakina hammers the ball back, Swiatek pushed back, same story..Rybakina wins .
No point matching forehand with forehand and so on...the progression point by point is what we have to think of
by ashkor87 Saw a bit of Aoyama and Shibahara..Aoyama's interceptions are uncanny..how does she know when to go across? Wish I could learn how to do it, half the time I get passed down the line which I just vacated!!
by ashkor87 Sinner had a comment similar to Cirstea's..his coach has taught him to look beyond his own game, at what his opponent is doing.
Cahill..
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3mlm ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:17 pm
mick1303 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:44 am
JazzNU wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:08 pm
What are you basing this on?
IW is higher from the sea level. Balls are flying a bit faster and it may give an impression that Miami is slower (also humidity may slightly slow down the balls).
Interestingly, I find two elevations for IW. One claims 27 meters OSL. The other shows it at around 841 meters. But most claim the lower figure.
Altitude in Indian Wells depends on where you are. The city limits extend from the lower area near the freeway (I10) up to about 600-700 meters altitude into the mountains. The tournament venue appears to be just a little higher than the lowest areas. I think the 27 meters refers to the lower area where most residences, businesses and resorts are.
The 841 meters probably refers to the unincorporated area called Indian Wells in Kern County California which is at 841 meters elevation.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:10 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:37 pm
I play with a guy regularly who is better than me at everything except serve..he can never beat me so I am not sure breaking it down is useful.
I think we have to visualise how the point would unfold .
On a slow court, Rybakina serves, first serve, not more than 1 ace per game max, ball comes back, rally begins .Swiatek drives her from corner to corner, wins most of the points. If second serve, Swiatek just kills it right away. When Swiatek serves, Rybakina hammers the ball deep and hard, but Swiatek gets many back, court slows it down..overall Swiatek wins the match
On a fast court, Rybakina serves .if she gets a high percentage of first served, Swiatek will be on her back foot, unable to swing away, Rybakina comes up and whacks a winner. When Swiatek serves, Rybakina hammers the ball back, Swiatek pushed back, same story..Rybakina wins .
No point matching forehand with forehand and so on...the progression point by point is what we have to think of
I think you are selling Rybakina's strokes short. You don't get to the final of the Aussie open with no strokes; Elena's BH is a solid stroke, and her FH can travel.
Yes, we agree. You have to give the percentages to Iga, but Cirstea's match (yesterday) was a good indication. Iga can be beat. You have to play very well, but she can be beat.
Or maybe I am just a bigger fan of Rybakina that you are
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mick1303 nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:56 pm
mick1303 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:08 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:32 pm
AND the Aussie was still on grass in 1985.
I think Novak would have won some Wimbledon titles regardless. Rafa would, for sure, have struggled. I do agree that Roger could have gotten double digit Wimbledon titles. In any era, Rafa was gonna win 20 Roland Garros titles. But, hey- all three got ridiculous careers out of today's court speeds.
Disagree about "any era". Without synthetic strings and without over-sized racketheads Rafa's game would suffer the most. I actually think that Borg would win against Nadal more often than lose if they were meeting back then.
Borg's one of my all-time favorites. So, I'm all for you being right about this. (IF, sadly, I'd also disagree in this case. But, again, I'd rather agree with you.)
In the mythical Borg-Nadal matchup I was liking Borg chances because I was sure that Borg's cardio would be superior to anyone (including even Nadal). The matchup itself is mythical because it is hard (impossible) to find fair conditions with regard to equipment. Nadal will win with a modern rackets/strings. Borg will win if they both play with the wooden rackets. So even if you have time machine and bring young Borg to the present, or put prime Nadal to the 70s (w/o his rackets) - you still out of luck determining who was better. Also I have a feeling that playing with heavier racket with much smaller frame surface requires better hand-eye coordination. Which is also advantage to Borg. Advantage to Nadal that he was able to preserve his dominance on clay over his contemporaries for much longer time than Borg.
by ponchi101 Factor in the fact that Borg retired at age 25, and was still the RG champion, and truly impossible to even fathom all the variables.
For those of us old enough to remember him: the footwork on clay was beyond belief.
by 3mlm And back to Indian Wells...which extremity will Medvedev injure today?
by mick1303 I've read a story. Maybe it was even from Mats himself. Like he was training with Borg right before Roland Garros 82 (which Wilander won) and Borg was beating him badly without breaking a sweat. So yes, quite easy to imagine that Borg could win some more.
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ponchi101 The Sakkari-Aryna match has been delayed because... they don't have the balls on court.
You know, who would have thought you needed them?
by atlpam Delayed because the audio isn’t working for the line calling system
by atlpam Why is there no backup plan to use linespeople in the event the automated system fails?
Seems like very poor planning from a tournament perspective.
One thing I learned working is that technology is great, when it works. From a workplace perspective, you were completely unproductive if the network went down. Tools were available via the corporate network; files were stored in the cloud, all communication tools were network based. I wouldoften wonder how we used to accompish anything before computer networks took over.
by ti-amie Saturday, March 18, 2023 Day 13
STADIUM 1 Starts At 11:00 Am
F
(1) Barbora Krejcikova/Katerina Siniakova VS Beatriz Haddad Maia/Laura Siegemund
Not Before 1:00 Pm
SF
(5) Daniil Medvedev VS (14) Frances Tiafoe
Followed By
SF
(1) Carlos Alcaraz VS (11) Jannik Sinner
Not Before 5:00 Pm
F
Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski Or Santiago Gonzalez/Edouard Roger-Vasselin VS John Isner/Jack Sock Or Rohan Bopanna/Matthew Ebden
by Deuce They did have linespeople ready to take to the court when the audio/HawkEye Live system was not working. They may have had to summon the linespeople from the 4 corners of the tournament site, but they were there, under the seats, ready to take to the court. The decision was made to wait until 3:30pm (local time), and if the system was still not functional, they were going to bring the linespeople in.
I have a few friends who are linespeople, and they've told me in the past that the tournaments do have a plan in case of a failure of the automatic line calling system (whether it's due to a power failure or other cause), and there are linespeople on site to come onto the courts if this occurs (usually only enough to cover the main courts - so if the automatic system fails at the beginning of a tournament when there are many matches to play on various courts that use the automatic system, there will be delays in the schedule).
by Deuce Sabalenka is continuing to prove the accuracy of the theory that tennis is 95% mental at the pro level.
She always had the shots to be a dominant force on the tour - but she was psychologically weak/fragile; she was beating herself more than opponents were beating her. But now, she has obviously matured (which is obviously emotional/psychological, not physical), and has a different demeanour and outlook on the court. And that’s why she’s winning so often now - because her mental game has finally caught up with her physical abilities.
She is not playing any differently technically - the physical strokes were always there. She is playing with more self-confidence, self-belief, focus, clarity, calmness... her mental approach is significantly better than it was in the past - and that is what has made the difference.
Ergo, tennis is 95% mental at the pro level.
They all know how to hit a tennis ball very well. The difference among them is 95% mental. Even the players themselves say this.
Whether Sabalenka can maintain this better mental approach for the rest of her career or not obviously remains to be seen. Of course, there will be a few 'blips' here and there - because it's human nature to not be able to maintain an absolutely consistent psychological state at all times - it is often dependent upon, among other elements, what is happening in a person's life at any given time.
So whether Sabalenka is able to retain a consistent enough psychological approach/outlook to remain at the top of the game or not is something that only time will tell. But for right now, she's certainly headed in a good direction.
by Deuce The problem with Swiatek dominating the tour as she has been (she has one of the biggest leads in points ever) is that she gets so used to not being threatened in a match that she doesn't know what to do or how to react when she is threatened.
We've seen that the few times that she is challenged in a match - she looks lost, she looks down, she's very frustrated, she even looks resigned to the fact that she won't win. The 'killer instinct' seems to disappear, and is replaced with sort of a frustrated depression.
That's what we saw in the 1st set tonight, as well.
Can she lift herself up before Rybakina closes it out? Right now, it doesn't look like it...
by ti-amie Right now Iga is down 6-2, 4-0 to Rybakina and there's no reason to think this match is not done and dusted.
by martini4me Swiatek has not played a three-set match this year. So she's either crushing people, or getting crushed herself. Of her four losses this year (I'm being just slightly premature here), the closest was the 6-4 6-4 loss to Rybakina at the Australian Open.
Not that she's losing to just anyone: her last six losses have been to Rybakina, Krejcikova, Rybakina, Pegula, Sabalenka and Krejcikova again. So those are all absolutely top-tier opponents. But as Deuce said, when she's been seriously challenged, she hasn't had any clue of how to fight back out of it.
by ponchi101 I absolutely love how Rybakina goes bonkers when she wins.
She makes Borg look downright psychotic.
by Deuce The Rybakina - Swiatek result here shows, once again, that court speed is not a significant factor in determining who will do well, and who won’t.
Court surface matters more than court speed (due to the bad bounces on clay and grass, the footing stability on hardcourt as compared with clay and grass, etc.) - but even court surface isn’t very significant these days.
These players are talented and intelligent enough to adapt quite well to different court speeds.
by ashkor87 Rybakina is evidently better than (even) I think! Ponchi is right.
I can't see any matches so will have to hear from you folks how it went
by ashkor87 Rybakina versus Sabalenka should be a great match..I think it will depend on how fearless Rybakina can be - at the AO, when it got close, she went into a bit of a shell and tried to play up and down the centre, hoping for an error, which didnt happen.. also how well she serves - at the AO, there were patches when she couldnt get a first serve in at all, mostly in the second set..
Sabalenka will play well, I am sure, she has been managing her game well all year..
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ashkor87 I just can't see Tiafoe as being in Medvedev's class, though he has the right kind of game ..Alcaraz and Sinner are roughly in the same class, but only roughly..Alcaraz is at the top of the class, Sinner is at the lower end of it...so I expect a Med-<Alcaraz finals, and again and again over the next few years.
by ashkor87 Some gracious and some not-so remarks by Swiatek - after her defeat...'i tried my best but Elena was the better player' and ',I felt pain in my ribs..' respectively.
by ashkor87 Happy to note Bopanna is in the finals of doubles, he partnered ebden to beat defending champs Sock and Isner...doubly happy because Sock lost!
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:54 am
Rybakina is evidently better than (even) I think! Ponchi is right.
I can't see any matches so will have to hear from you folks how it went
It was what the score tells you. Rybakina started strong, and simply never lifted her foot from the pedal. Iga's sole break, at the end, was just because she completely smacked two shots that were hit in the "I can't lose anything else at this point" mode.
If Rybakina can anchor her FH, she will really get to the top. The serve was consistently in the 115-118 mph range, and she played a very simple pattern. Almost all her FH's went crosscourt, given herself a really good margin. She basically dared Iga to go into a FH-to-FH duel. And Iga could not.
Iga is also saying she has a bit of a rib issue. What is it with these Rafa fans? Rafa tears an ab, Carlitos tears and ab. Rafa lost last year's final because of a rib issue, Iga now says she has a rib issue.
Either they are copying him too much, or being a Rafa fan is hazardous to your health.
(Man, my back hurts...)
by Deuce Saving 7 match points wasn't quite enough for Tiafoe. He had impressive streaks in the match, but Medvedev couldn't be stopped in the end.
That's 19 wins in a row now...
by dryrunguy Please forgive me if this has already been pointed out. I have been struggling to pay attention since I have been home alone since early Tuesday morning and cannot keep up with everything.
But Carlitos is now winning a lot of matches in straights that he used to win--or lose--in three.
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ponchi101 dryrunguy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:07 am
Please forgive me if this has already been pointed out. I have been struggling to pay attention since I have been home alone since early Tuesday morning and cannot keep up with everything.
But Carlitos is now winning a lot of matches in straights that he used to win--or lose--in three.
The serve has improved. The FH is a bit more accurate. The BH is completely not a liability.
The drop shots are used as a fantastic change of pace.
You're right.
by ashkor87 He better beat medvedev now .for my sake if not his own,,!
by ashkor87 Bopanna won! At his age..but of course doubles is always easier
by ashkor87 Today, Alcaraz 70% Medvedev 30%
Sabalenka 55% Rybakina 45%
Rybakina is playing great but so is Sabalenka, and at the AO she showed she is more willing to take risks and be creative..the AO surface suited Rybakina slightly better, yet Sabalenka could beat her.
Medvedev plays too passively won't work against Alcaraz
We shall see how it goes. I like Med and Ryba a lot, equally happy if I am wrong..
by ti-amie Sunday, March 19, 2023 Day 14
STADIUM 1 Starts At 1:00 Pm
(10) Elena Rybakina VS (2) Aryna Sabalenka
Not Before 4:00 Pm
F
(1) Carlos Alcaraz VS (5) Daniil Medvedev
STADIUM 2 Starts At 10:00 Am / FILA International Jr. Girls
F
(3) Clervie Ngounoue VS (7) Theadora Rabman
Followed By / FILA International Jr. Boys
F
(11) Cooper Woestendick VS (5) Oliver Bonding
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:59 pm
Today, Alcaraz 70% Medvedev 30%
Sabalenka 55% Rybakina 45%
Rybakina is playing great but so is Sabalenka, and at the AO she showed she is more willing to take risks and be creative..the AO surface suited Rybakina slightly better, yet Sabalenka could beat her.
Medvedev plays too passively won't work against Alcaraz
We shall see how it goes. I like Med and Ryba a lot, equally happy if I am wrong..
Wow! We agree! Impossible!
I say Medvedev has a better defense than anybody Carlitos has faced. He may get a couple of extra balls in, and it may give him a better chance.
And Daniil's serve is underrated. He has speed and variety. But yes, 70% Carlitos.
If Sabalenka keeps her DF under control, and there is no reason to assume she will not (because she has as of late), the 55% is accurate. But if Rybakina can also anchor her FH, we are ready for one hell of a match.
by ponchi101 Really looking forward to the women's final. So, after ESPN has shown plenty of matches this week, and announced they would show it too, I tuned in.
Nope. Nowhere to be seen. Again, moved to their subscription service.
And then they show the little commercial about #supportequality.
A******S
by ti-amie It took Sabalenka almost five minutes to hold in her first service game.
by ti-amie I thought that shot was in along with Sabalenka but there's no replay available again today?
by ti-amie Also it's not a full house.
by ti-amie Sabalenka got the first break for 3-2 first set and consolidates for 4-2. You can never tell what Rybakina is thinking or feeling but I thought that Sabalenka was showing the most nerves.
by ti-amie And just like that Sabalenka does a Sabalenka and it's now 4 all.
by ponchi101 Sounds like a fun match. I decided not even to look at the live scores. Of either final, the women's was the one I wanted to watch.
(My enjoyment of Carlitos gets trampled by my dislike of Daniil's strokes).
by ti-amie Sabalenka forced a TB and is up 2-0...make that 2-1.
She can't hold onto the lead though and Rybakina comes back for 3-2, misses and it's now 3 all.
by ti-amie It's 9 all in the TB.
by skatingfan The double-faults are starting to add up for Sabalenka.
by skatingfan Set point saved with a wicked forehand cross court winner by Sabalenka.
by ti-amie Rybakina took the TB and first set 7-6(11). She's ahead 3-1 in the second set.
by ti-amie Rybakina isn't having problems with her slice back hand anymore.
by ti-amie They've shown TD Tommy Haas a lot during the tournament. I don't think they show any other TD half as much.
by Deuce The first 4 or 5 games went to multiple deuces.
The entire set was even and back & forth until the last point.
Double faults are creeping back into Sabalenka's life.
Advantage Rybakina in the second set thus far (4-2).
I suppose they are playing some 'spectacular' tennis... but it's not the kind of tennis I enjoy the most. There is no point construction, no creativity, very little variety (unless one considers double faults as being a variation). It's just bang-bang-bang - whoever hits hardest wins the point.
I prefer thinking tennis to this bashing tennis.
We're lucky here in Canada that TSN has carried the entire tournament on TV - but, once again, there are free streams that are quite easily available for anyone who wants to watch.
by ti-amie I came to say that the level of tennis has been under whelming from both players. Sabalenka was on a bit of a roll until that short walkabout she took in the first set. Everything she did after that was reactive and smelled of desperation. She was competitive during the TB but I never thought she had control of the set. Also Rybakina got control of her slice backhand.
by ti-amie There are many more people in the stands now by the way.
by ashkor87 Wow!! rybakina!
by skatingfan Rybakina seemed to deal with the wind better than Sabalenka.
I don't think I'll ever complain about someone overdoing it again after winning after watching Rybakina celebrate a big win like she just finished the warm-up.
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skatingfan ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:00 pm
They've shown TD Tommy Haas a lot during the tournament. I don't think they show any other TD half as much.
Feliciano Lopez
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ti-amie skatingfan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:18 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:00 pm
They've shown TD Tommy Haas a lot during the tournament. I don't think they show any other TD half as much.
Feliciano Lopez
Ah. Of course.
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Deuce ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:20 pm
skatingfan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:18 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:00 pm
They've shown TD Tommy Haas a lot during the tournament. I don't think they show any other TD half as much.
Feliciano Lopez
Ah. Of course.
I think James Blake is up there, as well, in terms of camera time.
Basically, any decently known ex-player who is now a tournament director.
Sabalenka's post match on-court comments are the most awkward of any player. She often cracks 'jokes' that fall flat, and she ends up being the only one laughing at them. I suppose it can be seen as 'endearing', but it kind of makes one cringe a bit, too. She's like the opposite of Sasnovich, who is an absolute master of on-court post match comments.
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ti-amie Deuce wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:27 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:20 pm
skatingfan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:18 pm
Feliciano Lopez
Ah. Of course.
I think James Blake is up there, as well, in terms of camera time.
Basically, any decently known ex-player who is now a tournament director.
Sabalenka's post match on-court comments are the most awkward of any player. She often cracks 'jokes' that fall flat, and she ends up being the only one laughing at them. I suppose it can be seen as 'endearing', but it kind of makes one cringe a bit, too. She's like the opposite of Sasnovich, who is an absolute master of on-court post match comments.
Azarenka's jokes fall flatter than a French crepe too.
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ponchi101 skatingfan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:18 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:00 pm
They've shown TD Tommy Haas a lot during the tournament. I don't think they show any other TD half as much.
Feliciano Lopez
You beat me to it
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ponchi101 skatingfan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:17 pm
Rybakina seemed to deal with the wind better than Sabalenka.
I don't think I'll ever complain about someone overdoing it again after winning after watching Rybakina celebrate a big win like she just finished the warm-up.
The main reason I like her. She does not celebrate like "I'm the greatest thing on Earth". She celebrates like:
"Yep. I won. I'm good".
We will be in a good run for #1 this year. And don't count out Krejcikova.
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Their banter back and forth was fun, especially when Aryna said this won't happen again
by Deuce Alcaraz is faster and more dynamic and spectacular... but Medvedev is more thoughtful and intelligent and experienced.
It's an interesting contrast.
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skatingfan ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:57 pm
The main reason I like her. She does not celebrate like "I'm the greatest thing on Earth". She celebrates like:
"Yep. I won. I'm good".
I'm not sure that we can make that assessment - we've seen too many 'yep I'm good' from people who really weren't - doesn't mean this is true for Rybakina, but it just seems odd to be that nonchalant about these major career accomplishments.
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by dryrunguy Good grief. That was an ass kicking.
by skatingfan Alcarez putting on a show of dominance.
by Deuce That was surprisingly quick (1 hour, 10 minutes) and easy.
Well deserved.
Let's be a little careful with the talk of the #1 ranking, though, as his main competition for that spot has been voluntarily handicapped.
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ptmcmahon Fastbackss wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:18 pm
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Their banter back and forth was fun, especially when Aryna said this won't happen again
Well, the cliché winners line of "I know we'll play in many more finals" at AO did come true pretty quickly.
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mmmm8 ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:00 pm
They've shown TD Tommy Haas a lot during the tournament. I don't think they show any other TD half as much.
They do when it's Feli Lopez in Madrid... must be for their tennis accolades
by ashkor87 We are seeing the emergence of a 'big 3' among the women now...Sabalenka/Swiatek/Rybakina...not just on hardcourts, I mean..the order between them can change in clay, grass etc but these 3 seem to have pulled several lengths clear of the field...
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ashkor87 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:12 am
if only to test the theory that the court surface/speed matters:
I would expect the following (let us see how it works out)
since IW and Miami are typically much slower than any other hard court on the planet,
1. Swiatek will dominate again
2. Sabalenka, Rybakina and Anisimova will do well - so will Badosa (though not as well)
3. Raducanu, Leylah, Garcia, Gauff and Pegula will not - the court wlll be too slow for them.
4. I would venture to guess that even Krejcikova will find conditions too slow.
I never know with Bencic - she really should not do well here but she will somehow find a way!
On the men's side, it is harder to say because of the uncertainty around Djokovic..
1. Fritz, Berretini, Alcaraz will do well
2. Medvedev, FAA and Sinner will not
any thoughts?
Well, Miami is still to happen but at the halfway point, doesn't look very wrong. Medvedev and Sinner did much better than I expected but Alcaraz did turn out to be the best..
Swiatek did dominate until the semis and Rybakina and Sabalenka lived up to my expectations. Anisimova did not...
by Deuce ^ Or maybe the players who did well at Indian Wells did well because they are very good tennis players who have been playing well this year.
I'd say that Felix did well - he lost in the quarters to Alcaraz, who is top 3 in the world. Medvedev and Sinner did well, too, despite your predicting that none of these three would do well because of the (sigh...) court speed.
Berrettini was gone early, despite you predicting he'd do well...
Fritz made the quarters, where he lost to a player of roughly the same calibre in Sinner - I'd say that's a lukewarm result.
Raducanu had her best tournament in a long while, and turned some heads. She lost to the #1 player in the world. I'd say her tournament qualifies as a 'did well'.
Leylah lost a fairly tight match to Garcia. I didn't think Leylah would do well here, either - and that had nothing to do with (sigh...) court speed.
Garcia was a disappointment, losing to Cirstea... Garcia's winning percentage on clay is better than her winning percentage on hard court - so why didn't she do well here on a slow, gritty hard court surface that plays 'like the speed of clay'?
Pegula's tournament was disappointing, as well, losing to Kvitova. Kvitova has done well on the much faster grass of Wimbledon, and had 1 win and 4 losses on clay last year - so why did she beat Pegula on these slow courts? Maybe she simply played better on that day (it was an extremely close match, with Pegula having match points).
Gauff didn't have a particularly tough draw before she lost, and she lost in the quarters to Sabalenka. Not a bad loss (though she did lose that match badly).
Krejcikova lost a close match to eventual Finalist Sabalenka. Not a bad loss, just one of those things that happens when you get a tough draw (tough because she met Sabalenka before the quarters). Krejcikova's winning percentage on clay (slow) is better than her winning percentage on any other surface, while Sabalenka's winning percentage on clay is worse than on any other surface. So Sabalenka beating Krejcikova here (which you more or less predicted) would certainly seem to go against your theory of (sigh...) court speed.
Picking Alcaraz, Swiatek, Rybakina, and Sabalenka to do well here was basically a no-brainer. Those three women have been the best female players this year by a good margin. And Alcaraz is always going to be in the conversation for any title.
In the end, I submit again that 95% of the time, court speed is not a significant or determining factor in who will do well at a given tournament, or of who will win a given match. Because these players are very good tennis players, and because they can adapt to any court speed.
And that any player in the top 20 is capable of beating any other player in the top 20 * - not based on the speed of the court, but based simply on who is playing better on that day, or week, or month, which has nothing to do with court speed in my opinion.
* - Except when playing Djokovic, Alcaraz, Medvedev, and Nadal (when he is healthy). Beating these players (on any surface or court speed) is extremely difficult. Not impossible, but very difficult.
by ashkor87 I didn't see the match but I hear Sabalenka's serving yips returned...in windy conditions it is always difficult anyway...
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skatingfan ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:22 pm
I didn't see the match but I hear Sabalenka's serving yips returned...in windy conditions it is always difficult anyway...
Yes, there were a large number of double faults, particularly in the first set.
by ashkor87 At crucial times?! Then the problem would be mental...
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meganfernandez mmmm8 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:31 am
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:00 pm
They've shown TD Tommy Haas a lot during the tournament. I don't think they show any other TD half as much.
They do when it's Feli Lopez in Madrid... must be for their tennis accolades
yeah, the audience recognizes them and has an interest. James Blake and Amelie Mauresmo, too. Other TDs might not even want to be on camera, so I imagine Tennis Channel and ESPN leave them alone.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:57 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:12 am
if only to test the theory that the court surface/speed matters:
I would expect the following (let us see how it works out)
since IW and Miami are typically much slower than any other hard court on the planet,
1. Swiatek will dominate again
2. Sabalenka, Rybakina and Anisimova will do well - so will Badosa (though not as well)
3. Raducanu, Leylah, Garcia, Gauff and Pegula will not - the court wlll be too slow for them.
4. I would venture to guess that even Krejcikova will find conditions too slow.
I never know with Bencic - she really should not do well here but she will somehow find a way!
On the men's side, it is harder to say because of the uncertainty around Djokovic..
1. Fritz, Berretini, Alcaraz will do well
2. Medvedev, FAA and Sinner will not
any thoughts?
Well, Miami is still to happen but at the halfway point, doesn't look very wrong. Medvedev and Sinner did much better than I expected but Alcaraz did turn out to be the best..
Swiatek did dominate until the semis and Rybakina and Sabalenka lived up to my expectations. Anisimova did not...
I will only add this to your "court speed" theory.
It seems to me that your hypothesis is that, if the court is slow, that affects the power hitters. They can't win easily because the court slows down their shots. But, it still works the same for the non-power hitters, because they have no power to begin with, and then the court is too slow for their shots to make a difference.
On the women's side, look at who wins RG. It was not Hingis, Radwanska or a Kasatkina. Sure, ASV did win it solely on defense, but more often that not, it was Seles, Graf, Serena, Sharapova. Players that can hit through the slow court.
A slow court is even worse for players with no power; sure, they can get to the ball and maneuver it, but they are the ones that can't finish the points. When you have a Sabalenka with good mobility, a Rybakina with decent footwork, they are the ones that can actually finish a point on a slow court.
About your picks. Picking Iga is currently a given. So are Sabalenka and Rybakina. Anisimova is not doing well, regardless of where she plays or what she plays on. You are around the .500 mark, and that is fine.
Let's wait and see how MIA goes.
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skatingfan ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:51 pm
At crucial times?! Then the problem would be mental...
Yes, she double-faulted set point up at least twice during the tie-breaker.
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:55 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:57 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:12 am
if only to test the theory that the court surface/speed matters:
I would expect the following (let us see how it works out)
since IW and Miami are typically much slower than any other hard court on the planet,
1. Swiatek will dominate again
2. Sabalenka, Rybakina and Anisimova will do well - so will Badosa (though not as well)
3. Raducanu, Leylah, Garcia, Gauff and Pegula will not - the court wlll be too slow for them.
4. I would venture to guess that even Krejcikova will find conditions too slow.
I never know with Bencic - she really should not do well here but she will somehow find a way!
On the men's side, it is harder to say because of the uncertainty around Djokovic..
1. Fritz, Berretini, Alcaraz will do well
2. Medvedev, FAA and Sinner will not
any thoughts?
Well, Miami is still to happen but at the halfway point, doesn't look very wrong. Medvedev and Sinner did much better than I expected but Alcaraz did turn out to be the best..
Swiatek did dominate until the semis and Rybakina and Sabalenka lived up to my expectations. Anisimova did not...
I will only add this to your "court speed" theory.
It seems to me that your hypothesis is that, if the court is slow, that affects the power hitters. They can't win easily because the court slows down their shots. But, it still works the same for the non-power hitters, because they have no power to begin with, and then the court is too slow for their shots to make a difference.
On the women's side, look at who wins RG. It was not Hingis, Radwanska or a Kasatkina. Sure, ASV did win it solely on defense, but more often that not, it was Seles, Graf, Serena, Sharapova. Players that can hit through the slow court.
A slow court is even worse for players with no power; sure, they can get to the ball and maneuver it, but they are the ones that can't finish the points. When you have a Sabalenka with good mobility, a Rybakina with decent footwork, they are the ones that can actually finish a point on a slow court.
About your picks. Picking Iga is currently a given. So are Sabalenka and Rybakina. Anisimova is not doing well, regardless of where she plays or what she plays on. You are around the .500 mark, and that is fine.
Let's wait and see how MIA goes.
no, no, you have it exactly backwards
on a slow court, you need a way to finish the points.. hence power is required, or the ability to come to the net and volley.
on a fast court, defense is more important.. the ability to change direction etc like Bencic
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:54 pm
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no, no, you have it exactly backwards
on a slow court, you need a way to finish the points.. hence power is required, or the ability to come to the net and volley.
on a fast court, defense is more important.. the ability to change direction etc like Bencic
Ok.
Then we agree on that. Slow courts favor the power players.
by ponchi101 They are showing the replay of the women's final.
Rybakina is going crosscourt on 90% of her FH's. For somebody that hits flat, a high percentage play. But she did it also to Iga, and she is basically daring the other player (Iga and Aryna, no less) to get into FH crosscourt rallies.
I wonder if her level of confidence is that high, that she feels she can out punch all other players with her FH.
or is Petra cold?
players support it”.