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ti-amie Tournament: Internazionali BNL d'Italia
Location: Rome, Italy
Dates: May 9 - May 20, 2023
Level: WTA 1000
Total Financial Commitment: $3,572,618
Surface: Clay
Pos Player Name Nat Rank Pref
1 F IGA SWIATEK POL 1 1
2 F ARYNA SABALENKA 2 1
3 F JESSICA PEGULA USA 3 1
4 F ONS JABEUR TUN 4 1
5 F SOFIA KENIN USA 4 SR 1
6 F CAROLINE GARCIA FRA 5 1
7 F COCO GAUFF USA 6 1
8 F ELENA RYBAKINA KAZ 7 1
9 F DARIA KASATKINA 8 1
10 F MARIA SAKKARI GRE 9 1
11 F PETRA KVITOVA CZE 10 1
12 F BELINDA BENCIC SUI 11 1
13 F BARBORA KREJCIKOVA CZE 12 1
14 F VERONIKA KUDERMETOVA 13 1
15 F BEATRIZ HADDAD MAIA BRA 14 1
16 F LIUDMILA SAMSONOVA 15 1
17 F VICTORIA AZARENKA 16 1
18 F KAROLINA PLISKOVA CZE 17 1
19 F EKATERINA ALEXANDROVA 18 1
20 F MAGDA LINETTE POL 19 1
21 F MARTINA TREVISAN ITA 20 1
22 F MADISON KEYS USA 21 1
23 F ANASTASIA PAVLYUCHENKOVA 21 SR 1
24 F JELENA OSTAPENKO LAT 22 1
25 F DONNA VEKIC CRO 23 1
26 F ANASTASIA POTAPOVA 24 1
27 F QINWEN ZHENG CHN 25 1
28 F BIANCA ANDREESCU CAN 27 1
29 F ELINA SVITOLINA UKR 27 SR 1
30 F SHUAI ZHANG CHN 28 1
31 F ELISE MERTENS BEL 29 1
32 F JIL TEICHMANN SUI 30 1
33 F PAULA BADOSA ESP 31 1
34 F PETRA MARTIC CRO 32 1
35 F MARKETA VONDROUSOVA CZE 32 SR 1
36 F BERNARDA PERA USA 33 1
37 F MARIE BOUZKOVA CZE 34 1
38 F ANHELINA KALININA UKR 35 1
39 F IRINA-CAMELIA BEGU ROU 37 1
40 F MARTA KOSTYUK UKR 38 1
41 F DANIELLE COLLINS USA 39 1
42 F NADIA PODOROSKA ARG 39 SR 1
43 F BARBORA STRYCOVA CZE 39 SR 1
44 F SHELBY ROGERS USA 40 1
45 F SORANA CIRSTEA ROU 41 1
46 F LIN ZHU CHN 42 1
47 F CAMILA GIORGI ITA 43 1
48 F VARVARA GRACHEVA 44 1
49 F YULIA PUTINTSEVA KAZ 45 1
50 F KATERINA SINIAKOVA CZE 46 1
51 F AMANDA ANISIMOVA USA 47 1
52 F ALIAKSANDRA SASNOVICH 48 1
53 F SLOANE STEPHENS USA 49 1
54 F LEYLAH FERNANDEZ CAN 50 1
55 F ELISABETTA COCCIARETTO ITA 51 1
56 F KAROLINA MUCHOVA CZE 52 1
57 A LINDA NOSKOVA CZE 53 1
58 F XIYU WANG CHN 54 1
59 F ALYCIA PARKS USA 55 1
60 F CLAIRE LIU USA 56 1
61 F LAUREN DAVIS USA 57 1
62 F ANA BOGDAN ROU 58 1
63 F LINDA FRUHVIRTOVA CZE 59 1
64 F XINYU WANG CHN 60 1
65 F MAYAR SHERIF EGY 61 1
66 F ANNA KALINSKAYA 62 1
67 F ANNA BLINKOVA 63 1
68 F KAIA KANEPI EST 64 1
69 F JULE NIEMEIER GER 65 1
70 A PATRICIA MARIA TIG ROU 65 SR 1
71 F JASMINE PAOLINI ITA 66 1
72 F CATY MCNALLY USA 67 1
73 F EMMA RADUCANU GBR 68 1
74 F ANETT KONTAVEIT EST 69 1
75 F ALIZÉ CORNET FRA 70 1
Alternates
Pos Player Name Nat Rank Pref
1 F TATJANA MARIA GER 71 1
2 F LESIA TSURENKO UKR 72 1
3 F DANKA KOVINIC MNE 73 1
4 F REBECCA PETERSON SWE 74 1
5 F KATIE VOLYNETS USA 75 1
6 F MARYNA ZANEVSKA BEL 76 1
7 F CRISTINA BUCSA ESP 77 1
8 F JULIA GRABHER AUT 78 1
9 F LUCIA BRONZETTI ITA 79 1
10 F NURIA PARRIZAS DIAZ ESP 80 1
11 F REBECCA MARINO CAN 81 1
12 F ALISON RISKE-AMRITRAJ USA 83 1
13 F KATERYNA BAINDL UKR 84 1
14 F SARA ERRANI ITA 85 1
15 F YSALINE BONAVENTURE BEL 86 1
16 F ANNA BONDAR HUN 87 1
17 A PEYTON STEARNS USA 89 1
18 F MADISON BRENGLE USA 90 1
19 F ANNA-LENA FRIEDSAM GER 91 1
20 F KAMILLA RAKHIMOVA 92 1
21 F REBEKA MASAROVA ESP 93 1
22 F DALMA GALFI HUN 95 1
23 F ANNA KAROLINA SCHMIEDLOVA SVK 96 1
24 F VIKTORIYA TOMOVA BUL 98 1
25 F OCEANE DODIN FRA 99 1
26 F MAGDALENA FRECH POL 100 1
27 F TAMARA ZIDANSEK SLO 102 1
28 F TEREZA MARTINCOVA CZE 103 1
29 F LAURA SIEGEMUND GER 105 1
30 F TAMARA KORPATSCH GER 106 1
31 F SU-WEI HSIEH TPE 106 SR 1
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by ti-amie Tournament: Internazionali BNL d'Italia
Location: Rome, Italy
Dates: May 10 - 21 2023
Tier: ATP M1000
Surface: Clay
Prize Money: €7,705,780
Total Financial Commitment: €8,637,966
Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Novak Djokovic 1 1
2 Carlos Alcaraz 2 2
3 Casper Ruud 3 4
4 Daniil Medvedev 4 5
5 Stefanos Tsitsipas 5 3
6 Andrey Rublev 6 6
7 Holger Rune 7 9
8 Jannik Sinner 8 8
9 Felix Auger-Aliassime 9 7
10 Taylor Fritz 10 10
11 Karen Khachanov 11 12
12 Frances Tiafoe 12 11
13 Cameron Norrie 13 14
14 Rafael Nadal 14 15
15 Hubert Hurkacz 15 13
16 Alexander Zverev 16 16
17 Pablo Carreno Busta 17 17
18 Tommy Paul 18 18
19 Alex de Minaur 19 19
20 Lorenzo Musetti 20 21
21 Borna Coric 21 20
22 Matteo Berrettini 22 22
23 Marin Cilic 23 23
24 Nick Kyrgios 24 27
25 Roberto Bautista Agut 25 29
26 Daniel Evans 26 28
27 Sebastian Korda 27 26
28 Denis Shapovalov 28 30
29 Botic van de Zandschulp 29 31
30 Sebastian Baez 30 32
31 Grigor Dimitrov 31 25
32 Francisco Cerundolo 32 33
Miomir Kecmanovic 33 34
Tallon Griekspoor 34 35
Yoshihito Nishioka 35 36
Jiri Lehecka 36 42
Ben Shelton 37 39
Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 38 24
Maxime Cressy 39 40
Emil Ruusuvuori 40 38
Bernabe Zapata Miralles 41 41
Richard Gasquet 42 43
Brandon Nakashima 43 44
Benjamin Bonzi 44 48
Lorenzo Sonego 45 45
Adrian Mannarino 46 47
J.J. Wolf 47 46
Diego Schwartzman 48 37
Jack Draper 49 56
Mikael Ymer 50 51
Nicolas Jarry 51 58
Andy Murray 52 54
Roberto Carballes Baena 53 49
Mackenzie McDonald 54 52
Alexander Bublik 55 53
Yibing Wu 56 55
Gregoire Barrere 57 57
Albert Ramos-Vinolas 58 50
Tomas Martin Etcheverry 59 59
Constant Lestienne 60 61
Ilya Ivashka 61 74
Corentin Moutet 62 64
Marc-Andrea Huesler 63 60
Quentin Halys 65 66
Jason Kubler 66 70
John Isner 67 68
Marcos Giron 68 67
Pedro Cachin 69 65
Dusan Lajovic 70 69
Alex Molcan 73 72
Marton Fucsovics 75 73
Federico Coria 76 76
Soonwoo Kwon 77 77
Laslo Djere 78 62
Nuno Borges 79 63
Arthur Rinderknech 80 75
Hugo Dellien 126 73 (PR)
Guido Pella 479 75 (PR)
Kyle Edmund 509 48 (PR)
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Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Filip Krajinovic 74 78
2 Ugo Humbert 72 79
3 Thiago Monteiro 89 80
4 Marco Cecchinato 85 81
5 Christopher O'Connell 82 82
6 Jaume Munar 83 83
7 Cristian Garin 86 84
8 David Goffin 99 85
9 Max Purcell 88 86
10 Luca Van Assche 87 88
11 Jeremy Chardy 637 88 (PR)
12 Jordan Thompson 91 89
13 Stan Wawrinka 84 90
14 Juan Pablo Varillas 92 91
15 Daniel Elahi Galan 96 92
16 Oscar Otte 94 93
17 Alexei Popyrin 81 94
18 Zhizhen Zhang 95 95
19 Alexandre Muller 97 96
20 Fabio Fognini 103 97
Withdrawals
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
Jenson Brooksby 71 71
by ti-amie ATP Qualifying Entry Lists
Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Jan-Lennard Struff 64 64
2 Ugo Humbert 72 72
3 Alexei Popyrin 81 81
4 Christopher O'Connell 82 82
5 Stan Wawrinka 84 84
6 Marco Cecchinato 85 85
7 Cristian Garin 86 86
8 Luca Van Assche 87 87
9 Thiago Monteiro 89 89
10 Juan Pablo Varillas 92 92
11 Daniel Altmaier 93 93
12 Oscar Otte 94 94
13 Zhizhen Zhang 95 95
14 Daniel Elahi Galan 96 96
15 Alexandre Muller 97 97
16 Alexander Shevchenko 98 98
17 David Goffin 99 99
18 Taro Daniel 100 100
19 Aleksandar Kovacevic 104 104
20 Matteo Arnaldi 105 105
21 Roman Safiullin 106 106
22 Pavel Kotov 108 108
23 Borna Gojo 109 109
24 Thanasi Kokkinakis 111 111
Yannick Hanfmann 112 112
Tomas Machac 114 114
Otto Virtanen 116 116
Jurij Rodionov 118 118
Arthur Fils 122 122
Juan Manuel Cerundolo 123 123
Giulio Zeppieri 124 124
Francesco Passaro 125 125
Hugo Grenier 127 127
Aslan Karatsev 129 129
Camilo Ugo Carabelli 130 130
Fabian Marozsan 133 133
Nikoloz Basilashvili 135 135
Pedro Martinez 136 136
Raul Brancaccio 137 137
Elias Ymer 139 139
Luca Nardi 143 143
Maximilian Marterer 144 144
Jeremy Chardy 637 88 (PR)
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Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Timofey Skatov 146 146
2 Franco Agamenone 147 147
3 Tomas Barrios Vera 149 149
4 Mattia Bellucci 151 151
5 Jozef Kovalik 155 155
6 Zizou Bergs 156 156
7 Joao Sousa 157 157
8 Ryan Peniston 158 158
9 Ivan Gakhov 162 162
10 Vit Kopriva 165 165
11 Francesco Maestrelli 168 168
12 Jelle Sels 169 169
13 Emilio Nava 170 170
14 Laurent Lokoli 171 171
15 Andrea Vavassori 172 172
16 Andrea Pellegrino 173 173
17 Geoffrey Blancaneaux 175 175
18 Alejandro Tabilo 176 176
19 Felipe Meligeni Alves 177 177
20 Jan Choinski 178 178
by ti-amie ATP Doubles Entry Lists
Seed* Names Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Wesley Koolhof / Neal Skupski 2 2
2 Rajeev Ram / Joe Salisbury 9 9
3 Ivan Dodig / Austin Krajicek 9 9
4 Marcelo Arevalo / Jean-Julien Rojer 16 16
5 Nikola Mektic / Mate Pavic 17 17
6 Lloyd Glasspool / Harri Heliovaara 22 22
7 Rohan Bopanna / Matthew Ebden 35 35
8 Santiago Gonzalez / Edouard Roger-Vasselin 35 35
Marcel Granollers / Horacio Zeballos 43 43
Kevin Krawietz / Tim Puetz 43 43
Hugo Nys / Jan Zielinski 43 43
Matwe Middelkoop / Andreas Mies 45 45
Jamie Murray / Michael Venus 48 48
Maximo Gonzalez / Andres Molteni 51 51
Nicolas Mahut / Fabrice Martin 58 58
Rafael Matos / David Vega Hernandez 61 61
Nathaniel Lammons / Jackson Withrow 67 67
Juan Sebastian Cabal / Robert Farah 74 74
Alexander Erler / Lucas Miedler 74 74
Simone Bolelli / Fabio Fognini 88 88
Alex de Minaur / Jason Kubler 229 48
Daniel Evans / Ben Shelton 238 62
Tallon Griekspoor / Botic van de Zandschulp 303 65
Mackenzie McDonald / Frances Tiafoe 313 65
Karen Khachanov / Andrey Rublev 353 18
Taylor Fritz / Tommy Paul 359 27
Sebastian Baez / Bernabe Zapata Miralles 1430 73
Marcelo Melo / Alexander Zverev - 61
Alejandro Davidovich Fokina / Hubert Hurkacz - 50
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Alternates (Advanced)
Names Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Roberto Carballes Baena / Pablo Carreno Busta 694 75
2 Roberto Bautista Agut / Nicolas Jarry - 76
3 Maxime Cressy / John Peers 111 83
4 Sander Gille / Joran Vliegen 85 85
5 Nikola Cacic / Miomir Kecmanovic 188 94
6 Sadio Doumbia / Fabien Reboul 99 99
7 Gonzalo Escobar / Robin Haase 100 100
8 Julian Cash / Henry Patten 104 104
9 Romain Arneodo / Sam Weissborn 114 114
10 Pedro Cachin / Yibing Wu 2010 124
11 Nicolas Barrientos / Ariel Behar 130 130
12 Lorenzo Musetti / Giulio Zeppieri - 143
13 Yuki Bhambri / Saketh Myneni 154 154
14 N.Sriram Balaji / Jeevan Nedunchezhiyan 170 170
15 Marco Bortolotti / Sergio Martos Gornes 224 224
by ti-amie UPDATED WTA MD Singles Entry Lists
1 Swiatek, Iga (POL)
2 Sabalenka, Aryna (BLR)
3 Pegula, Jessica (USA)
4 Jabeur, Ons (TUN)
4 Kenin, Sofia (USA) SR
5 Garcia, Caroline (FRA)
6 Gauff, Cori (USA)
7 Rybakina, Elena (KAZ)
8 Kasatkina, Daria (RUS)
9 Sakkari, Maria (GRE)
10 Kvitova, Petra (CZE)
11 Bencic, Belinda (SUI)
12 Krejcikova, Barbora (CZE)
13 Kudermetova, Veronika (RUS)
14 Haddad Maia, Beatriz (BRA)
15 Samsonova, Liudmila (RUS)
16 Azarenka, Victoria (BLR)
17 Pliskova, Karolina (CZE)
18 Alexandrova, Ekaterina (RUS)
19 Linette, Magda (POL)
20 Trevisan, Martina (ITA)
21 Keys, Madison (USA)
21 Pavlyuchenkova, Anastasia (RUS) SR
22 Ostapenko, Jelena (LAT)
23 Vekic, Donna (CRO)
24 Potapova, Anastasia (RUS)
25 Zheng, Qinwen (CHN)
27 Andreescu, Bianca (CAN)
27 Svitolina, Elina (UKR) SR
28 Zhang, Shuai (CHN)
29 Mertens, Elise (BEL)
30 Teichmann, Jil (SUI)
31 Badosa, Paula (ESP)
32 Martic, Petra (CRO)
32 Vondrousova, Marketa (CZE) SR
33 Pera, Bernarda (USA)
34 Bouzkova, Marie (CZE)
35 Kalinina, Anhelina (UKR)
37 Begu, Irina-Camelia (ROU)
38 Kostyuk, Marta (UKR)
39 Collins, Danielle (USA)
39 Podoroska, Nadia (ARG) SR
39 Strycova, Barbora SR
40 Rogers, Shelby (USA)
41 Cirstea, Sorana (ROU)
42 Zhu, Lin (CHN)
43 Giorgi, Camila (ITA)
44 Gracheva, Varvara (RUS)
45 Putintseva, Yulia (KAZ)
46 Siniakova, Katerina (CZE)
47 Anisimova, Amanda (USA)
48 Sasnovich, Aliaksandra (BLR)
49 Stephens, Sloane (USA)
50 Fernandez, Leylah (CAN)
51 Cocciaretto, Elisabetta (ITA)
52 Muchova, Karolina (CZE)
53 Noskova, Linda (CZE)
54 Wang, Xiyu (CHN)
55 Parks, Alycia (USA)
56 Liu, Claire (USA)
57 Davis, Lauren (USA)
58 Bogdan, Ana (ROU)
59 Fruhvirtova, Linda (CZE)
60 Wang, Xinyu (CHN)
61 Sherif, Mayar (EGY)
62 Kalinskaya, Anna (RUS)
63 Blinkova, Anna (RUS)
64 Kanepi, Kaia (EST)
65 Niemeier, Jule (GER)
65 Tig, Patricia Maria (ROU) SR
66 Paolini, Jasmine (ITA)
67 McNally, Caty (USA)
68 Raducanu, Emma (GBR)
69 Kontaveit, Anett (EST)
70 Cornet, Alizé (FRA)
Alternates
71 Maria, Tatjana (GER) To MD
72 Tsurenko, Lesia (UKR) To MD
73 Kovinic, Danka (MNE) To MD
75 Volynets, Katie (USA) To MD
76 Zanevska, Maryna (BEL) To MD
77 Bucsa, Cristina (ESP) To MD
78 Grabher, Julia (AUT) To MD
79 Bronzetti, Lucia (ITA) To MD
80 Parrizas Diaz, Nuria (ESP)
by ti-amie UPDATED ATP MD Singles Entry Lists
Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Novak Djokovic 1 1
2 Carlos Alcaraz 2 2
3 Daniil Medvedev 3 5
4 Casper Ruud 4 4
5 Stefanos Tsitsipas 5 3
6 Andrey Rublev 6 6
7 Holger Rune 7 9
8 Jannik Sinner 8 8
9 Felix Auger-Aliassime 9 7
10 Taylor Fritz 10 10
11 Frances Tiafoe 11 11
12 Karen Khachanov 12 12
13 Cameron Norrie 13 14
14 Hubert Hurkacz 15 13
15 Alexander Zverev 16 16
16 Tommy Paul 17 18
17 Lorenzo Musetti 18 21
18 Alex de Minaur 19 19
19 Borna Coric 20 20
20 Pablo Carreno Busta 22 17
21 Daniel Evans 24 28
22 Roberto Bautista Agut 25 29
23 Denis Shapovalov 27 30
24 Sebastian Korda 28 26
25 Botic van de Zandschulp 29 31
26 Francisco Cerundolo 30 33
27 Sebastian Baez 31 32
28 Grigor Dimitrov 32 25
29 Miomir Kecmanovic 33 34
30 Yoshihito Nishioka 34 36
31 Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 35 24
32 Tallon Griekspoor 36 35
Jiri Lehecka 37 42
Ben Shelton 38 39
Maxime Cressy 39 40
Dusan Lajovic 40 69
Emil Ruusuvuori 41 38
Bernabe Zapata Miralles 42 41
Richard Gasquet 43 43
Brandon Nakashima 44 44
Adrian Mannarino 46 47
Lorenzo Sonego 47 45
J.J. Wolf 49 46
Mikael Ymer 50 51
Nicolas Jarry 51 58
Andy Murray 52 54
Roberto Carballes Baena 53 49
Mackenzie McDonald 54 52
Alexander Bublik 55 53
Gregoire Barrere 56 57
Yibing Wu 57 55
Alex Molcan 58 72
Tomas Martin Etcheverry 59 59
Albert Ramos-Vinolas 60 50
Marcos Giron 61 67
Constant Lestienne 62 61
Jason Kubler 63 70
Corentin Moutet 64 64
Quentin Halys 66 66
Pedro Cachin 67 65
Ilya Ivashka 69 74
Laslo Djere 70 62
Diego Schwartzman 72 37
Cristian Garin 73 84
Nuno Borges 74 63
Marc-Andrea Huesler 76 60
Ugo Humbert 77 79
Filip Krajinovic 79 78
Arthur Rinderknech 80 75
Christopher O'Connell 81 82
Marton Fucsovics 83 73
Marco Cecchinato 85 81
Jaume Munar 88 83
Max Purcell 89 86
David Goffin 95 85
Thiago Monteiro 97 80
(WC) Matteo Arnaldi 105
(WC) Francesco Passaro 120
(WC) Giulio Zeppieri 125
(WC) Fabio Fognini 127
Hugo Dellien 135 73 (PR)
(WC) Luca Nardi 152
Guido Pella 485 75 (PR)
Kyle Edmund 498 48 (PR)
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Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Luca Van Assche 86 88
2 Jeremy Chardy 635 88 (PR)
3 Stan Wawrinka 84 90
4 Juan Pablo Varillas 87 91
5 Daniel Elahi Galan 100 92
6 Oscar Otte 98 93
7 Alexei Popyrin 75 94
8 Zhizhen Zhang 99 95
9 Alexandre Muller 94 96
11 Taro Daniel 109 98
12 Jan-Lennard Struff 65 100
13 Aleksandar Kovacevic 107 101
14 Attila Balazs 747 101 (PR)
Withdrawals
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
Rafael Nadal 14 15
Matteo Berrettini 21 22
Marin Cilic 23 23
Nick Kyrgios 26 27
Benjamin Bonzi 45 48
Jack Draper 48 56
John Isner 68 68
Jenson Brooksby 71 71
Federico Coria 78 76
by ti-amie Qualifying Draw - WTA
V. Tomova (1) vs S. Vickery
J. Bertoldo vs A. Bolsova (19)
R. Masarova (2) vs O. Gadecki
D. Yastremska vs L. Jeanjean (22)
Y. Bonaventure (3) vs A. Moratelli
P. Hon vs H. Dart (24)
A. Friedsam (4) vs M. Uchijima
M. Colmegna vs S. Waltert (20)
A. Bondar (5) vs A. Hesse
K. Scott vs M. Bassols Ribera (16)
K. Rakhimova (6) vs E. Mandlik
E. Ruse vs L. Pigossi (18)
D. Galfi (7) vs E. Bouchard
M. Bjorklund vs T. Townsend (17)
T. Martincova (8) vs J. Fourlis
A. Konjuh vs O. Danilovic (21)
O. Dodin (9) vs A. Turati
D. Chiesa vs C. Osorio (15)
M. Frech (10) vs F. Urgesi
P. Kudermetova vs K. Sebov (23)
A. Rus (11) vs D. Papamichail
E. Jacquemot vs E. Andreeva (14)
N. Hibino (12) vs K. Mladenovic
S. Bejlek vs K. Birrell (13)
by ti-amie Qualifying Draw - ATP
(1) Alexei Popyrin vs Riccardo Bonadio
Andrea Pellegrino vs (24) Raul Brancaccio
(2) Daniel Altmaier vs Jozef Kovalik
Elias Ymer vs (16) Tomas Machac
(3) Alexandre Muller vs (WC) Gianmarco Ferrari
Franco Agamenone vs (14) Otto Virtanen
(4) Alexander Shevchenko vs Oleksii Krutykh
Ryan Peniston vs (17) Arthur Fils
(5) Zhizhen Zhang vs Francesco Maestrelli
Andrea Vavassori vs (23) Pedro Martinez
(6) Daniel Elahi Galan vs Vit Kopriva
Joao Sousa vs (13) Roman Safiullin
(7) Juan Manuel Cerundolo vs Jelle Sels
Mattia Bellucci vs (20) Tomas Barrios Vera
(8) Aleksandar Kovacevic vs (WC) Stefano Napolitano
Maximilian Marterer vs (19) Camilo Ugo Carabelli
(9) Yannick Hanfmann vs (WC) Julian Ocleppo
Andrea Collarini vs (18) Hugo Grenier
(10) Taro Daniel vs Emilio Nava
(WC) Flavio Cobolli vs (22) Nikoloz Basilashvili
(11) Borna Gojo vs Felipe Meligeni Alves
Timofey Skatov vs (21) Fabian Marozsan
(12) Thanasi Kokkinakis vs (WC) Matteo Gigante
Jan Choinski vs (15) Jurij Rodionov
by ti-amie MD Singles - WTA
POL I. Swiatek (1)/BYE
RUS A. Pavlyuchenkova vs ITA S. Errani
UKR L. Tsurenko vs UKR E. Svitolina
BYE/USA B. Pera (28)
CRO D. Vekic (21)/BYE
BLR A. Sasnovich vs CAN L. Fernandez
USA A. Parks vs EST A. Kontaveit
BYE/RUS L. Samsonova (16)
GRE M. Sakkari (9)/BYE
CZE B. Strycova vs BEL M. Zanevska
EST K. Kanepi vs CZE M. Vondrousova
BYE/CAN B. Andreescu (24)
BEL E. Mertens (25)/BYE
Qualifier vs RUS A. Kalinskaya
ITA J. Paolini vs CHN X. Wang
BYE/KAZ E. Rybakina (7)
TUN O. Jabeur (4)/BYE
ESP P. Badosa vs Qualifier
ITA C. Rosatello vs USA C. Liu
BYE/UKR M. Kostyuk (32)
ITA M. Trevisan (18)/BYE
Qualifier vs CZE K. Muchova
Qualifier vs ITA C. Giorgi
BYE/RUS E. Alexandrova (15)
CZE B. Krejcikova (10)/BYE
ITA L. Bronzetti vs MNE D. Kovinic
USA K. Volynets vs ROU S. Cirstea
BYE/LAT J. Ostapenko (20)
SUI J. Teichmann (26)/BYE
ITA N. Brancaccio vs AUT J. Grabher
ITA D. Cherubini vs ITA L. Pigato
BYE/RUS D. Kasatkina (8)
USA C. Gauff (6)/BYE
KAZ Y. Putintseva vs Qualifier
USA C. McNally vs ITA D. Spiteri
BYE/CZE M. Bouzkova (27)
RUS A. Potapova (23)/BYE
ITA E. Cocciaretto vs USA L. Davis
GER J. Niemeier vs ESP N. Parrizas Diaz
BYE/RUS V. Kudermetova (11)
CZE K. Pliskova (13)/BYE
GER T. Maria vs Qualifier
Qualifier vs FRA A. Cornet
BYE/CHN Q. Zheng (22)
ROU I. Begu (31)/BYE
CHN X. Wang vs ITA L. Stefanini
Qualifier vs Qualifier
BYE/USA J. Pegula (3)
FRA C. Garcia (5)/BYE
ROU A. Bogdan vs Qualifier
RUS V. Gracheva vs Qualifier
BYE/CRO P. Martic (29)
POL M. Linette (17)/BYE
CZE L. Noskova vs USA S. Rogers
CHN L. Zhu vs CZE L. Fruhvirtova
BYE/BRA B. Haddad Maia (12)
BLR V. Azarenka (14)/BYE
USA S. Stephens vs ARG N. Podoroska
ITA M. Paoletti vs Qualifier
BYE/USA M. Keys (19)
UKR A. Kalinina (30)/BYE
EGY M. Sherif vs RUS A. Blinkova
USA S. Kenin vs ESP C. Bucsa
BYE/BLR A. Sabalenka (2)
by ti-amie MD Singles - ATP
(1) Novak Djokovic/Bye
Luca Van Assche vs Tomas Martin Etcheverry
Ilya Ivashka vs Stan Wawrinka
Bye/(26) Grigor Dimitrov
(17) Alex de Minaur/Bye
Filip Krajinovic vs Marton Fucsovics
(PR) Kyle Edmund vs Qualifier
Bye/(13) Cameron Norrie
(10) Felix Auger-Aliassime/Bye
Qualifier vs Christopher O'Connell
Qualifier vs Marcos Giron
Bye/(22) Sebastian Korda
(30) Miomir Kecmanovic/Bye
(WC) Fabio Fognini vs Andy Murray
Qualifier vs Qualifier
Bye/(7) Holger Rune
(4) Casper Ruud/Bye
Qualifier vs Arthur Rinderknech
Qualifier vs Alexander Bublik
Bye/(28) Ben Shelton
(23) Botic van de Zandschulp/Bye
Constant Lestienne vs Laslo Djere
Pedro Cachin vs Cristian Garin
Bye/(16) Tommy Paul
(11) Karen Khachanov/Bye
Brandon Nakashima vs Gregoire Barrere
Richard Gasquet vs Yibing Wu
Bye/(24) Francisco Cerundolo
(29) Tallon Griekspoor/Bye
Sebastian Baez vs Juan Pablo Varillas
Jaume Munar vs Qualifier
Bye/(8) Jannik Sinner
(6) Andrey Rublev/Bye
Qualifier vs Alex Molcan
(PR) Guido Pella vs Maxime Cressy
Bye/(27) Alejandro Davidovich Fokina
(21) Roberto Bautista Agut/Bye
Marco Cecchinato vs Mackenzie McDonald
Nicolas Jarry vs Qualifier
Bye/(9) Taylor Fritz
(14) Hubert Hurkacz/Bye
Quentin Halys vs J.J. Wolf
(WC) Luca Nardi vs David Goffin
Bye/(19) Alexander Zverev
(31) Bernabe Zapata Miralles/Bye
Marc-Andrea Huesler vs Jason Kubler
Ugo Humbert vs Emil Ruusuvuori
Bye/(3) Daniil Medvedev
(5) Stefanos Tsitsipas/Bye
Dusan Lajovic vs Nuno Borges
Lorenzo Sonego vs (PR) Jeremy Chardy
Bye/(25) Yoshihito Nishioka
(18) Lorenzo Musetti/Bye
(WC) Matteo Arnaldi vs Diego Schwartzman
(WC) Giulio Zeppieri vs Qualifier
Bye/(12) Frances Tiafoe
(15) Borna Coric/Bye
Adrian Mannarino vs Thiago Monteiro
(PR) Hugo Dellien vs Roberto Carballes Baena
Bye/(20) Daniel Evans
(32) Jiri Lehecka/Bye
Corentin Moutet vs Qualifier
Albert Ramos-Vinolas vs (WC) Francesco Passaro
Bye/(2) Carlos Alcaraz
by JazzNU Iga's fans have become quite the annoying bunch on social media. They are very displeased with the draw and don't believe it is random. They currently believe the WTA is conspiring against having Iga as the #1 ranked player and are gifting Sabalenka with easier draws this season to make her the new #1 and their chief complaint seems to be that Iga is constantly getting Rybakina in her draw.
Why are they so worried about Rybakina in her draw if Iga is the best thing since sliced bread and can beat anyone in straight sets according to them? Beats me. And I'm seriously amazed how insecure they are about her standing during the clay court season in particular.
by ponchi101 As much as I liker Rybakina, on clay I would give her a 10% chance against Iga. So, yes, why are they worried? I would give a better chance to Krejcikova or Sakkari on clay.
by ti-amie Tuesday, May 09, 2023 Day 2
Center Court Starts At 11:00 Am
Mayar Sherif VS Anna Blinkova
Followed By
Xiyu Wang VS (WC) Lucrezia Stefanini
Followed By
Jasmine Paolini VS Xinyu Wang
Followed By
Caty McNally VS (WC) Dalila Spiteri
Grand Stand Arena Starts At 11:00 Am
Q2
(3) Alexandre Muller VS Franco Agamenone
Followed By
Q2
(1) Alexei Popyrin VS Andrea Pellegrino
Not Before 2:00 PM
Kaia Kanepi VS Marketa Vondrousova
Followed By
Alycia Parks VS Anett Kontaveit
Pietrangeli Starts At 11:00 Am
Barbora Strycova VS Maryna Zanevska
Followed By
Linda Noskova VS Shelby Rogers
Followed By
Sofia Kenin VS Cristina Bucsa
Followed By
Aliaksandra Sasnovich VS Leylah Fernandez
Court 12 Starts At 11:00 Am
Jule Niemeier VS Nuria Parrizas Diaz
Followed By
(WC) Diletta Cherubini VS (WC) Lisa Pigato
Followed By
Qualifying
(9) Oceane Dodin VS (15) Camila Osorio
Followed By
Qualifying
(1) Viktoriya Tomova VS (19) Aliona Bolsova
Court 1 Starts At 11:00 Am
Qualifying
(11) Arantxa Rus VS Elsa Jacquemot
Followed By
Qualifying
(7) Dalma Galfi VS (17) Taylor Townsend
Followed By
Qualifying
(3) Ysaline Bonaventure VS Priscilla Hon
Followed By
Qualifying
(2) Rebeka Masarova VS Dayana Yastremska
Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am
Q2
(12) Thanasi Kokkinakis VS Jan Choinski
Followed By
Q2
Francesco Maestrelli VS (23) Pedro Martinez
Followed By
Q2
Emilio Nava VS (WC) Flavio Cobolli
Followed By
Q2
(WC) Stefano Napolitano VS Maximilian Marterer
Court 3 Starts At 11:00 Am
Qualifying
(12) Nao Hibino VS Sara Bejlek
Followed By
Qualifying
(10) Magdalena Frech VS Polina Kudermetova
Followed By
Qualifying
(4) Anna-Lena Friedsam VS (20) Simona Waltert
Followed By
Qualifying
(6) Kamilla Rakhimova VS Elena-Gabriela Ruse
Court 4 Starts At 11:00 Am
Q2
(2) Daniel Altmaier VS Elias Ymer
Followed By
Qualifying
(5) Anna Bondar VS (16) Marina Bassols Ribera
Followed By
Q2
Vit Kopriva VS (13) Roman Safiullin
Followed By
Qualifying
(8) Tereza Martincova VS Ana Konjuh
Court 13 Starts At 11:00 Am
Q2
(9) Yannick Hanfmann VS (18) Hugo Grenier
Followed By
Q2
Felipe Meligeni Alves VS (21) Fabian Marozsan
Followed By
Q2
(4) Alexander Shevchenko VS (17) Arthur Fils
Followed By
Q2
(7) Juan Manuel Cerundolo VS (20) Tomas Barrios Vera
by JazzNU Well this is interesting. TC ended their coverage with McNally's match even though Leylah Fernandez is still playing her first set. And there's a camera on court, I can see it on streaming. Have they moved on from her as one of their future prospects? They have reason to, they just hadn't been doing that for a while.
by JazzNU I think it's hard to say Kenin looked good exactly, she clearly should've won that in straight sets. But she came through the match and elevated her game a bit at the end to close it out.
Noskova has been pretty quiet lately, but that was a good comeback win over Shelby today.
by
ti-amie JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 6:05 pm
Well this is interesting. TC ended their coverage with McNally's match even though Leylah Fernandez is still playing her first set. And there's a camera on court, I can see it on streaming. Have they moved on from her as one of their future prospects? They have reason to, they just hadn't been doing that for a while.
It's streaming via the App. I don't think it's fair for them to do this. For example you can stream every WTA match via the App but for the Final you need to watch it on TV. It's different for the ATP because they have TennisTV.
by jazzyg Fan is short for fanatic for a reason.
Anyone who thinks draws are rigged to favor certain players is a moron. No exceptions. But fans are going to fan.
by ti-amie Wednesday, May 10, 2023 Day 3
Center Court Starts At 11:00 Am
Ilya Ivashka VS Stan Wawrinka
Not Before 1:00 PM
Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova VS (WC) Sara Errani
Followed By
Lesia Tsurenko VS Elina Svitolina
Not Before 7:00 Pm
(WC) Fabio Fognini VS Andy Murray
Not Before 8:30 PM
(Q) Arantxa Rus VS Camila Giorgi
Grand Stand Arena Starts At 11:00 Am
Luca Van Assche VS Tomas Martin Etcheverry
Followed By
Richard Gasquet VS Yibing Wu
Followed By
Lucia Bronzetti VS Danka Kovinic
Followed By
(Q) Flavio Cobolli VS Arthur Rinderknech
Not Before 7:00 PM
Paula Badosa VS (Q) Anna-Lena Friedsam
Pietrangeli Starts At 11:00 Am
Sloane Stephens VS Nadia Podoroska
Followed By
Elisabetta Cocciaretto VS Lauren Davis
Followed By
(Q) Pedro Martinez VS Alexander Bublik
Followed By
Katie Volynets VS Sorana Cirstea
Followed By
Brandon Nakashima VS Gregoire Barrere
Court 12 Starts At 11:00 Am
Sebastian Baez VS Juan Pablo Varillas
Followed By
Pedro Cachin VS Cristian Garin
Followed By
(Q) Alexei Popyrin VS Christopher O'Connell
Followed By
(LL) Kamilla Rakhimova VS Karolina Muchova
Followed By
(WC) Nuria Brancaccio VS Julia Grabher
Court 1 Starts At 11:00 Am
(WC) Matilde Paoletti VS (Q) Magdalena Frech
Not Before 12:30 PM
Yulia Putintseva VS (Q) Viktoriya Tomova
Followed By
(Q) Tereza Martincova VS Alizé Cornet
Followed By
(Q) Dayana Yastremska VS Anna Kalinskaya
Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am
Filip Krajinovic VS Marton Fucsovics
Followed By
Constant Lestienne VS Laslo Djere
Followed By
(PR) Kyle Edmund VS (Q) Alexandre Muller
Followed By
Jaume Munar VS (Q) Thanasi Kokkinakis
Court 3 Starts At 11:00 Am
Tatjana Maria VS (Q) Anna Bondar
Not Before 12:30 PM
Varvara Gracheva VS (Q) Camila Osorio
Followed By
(Q) Elena-Gabriela Ruse VS Linda Fruhvirtova
Followed By
(WC) Camilla Rosatello VS Claire Liu
Court 4 Starts At 11:00 Am
Ana Bogdan VS (Q) Nao Hibino
Followed By
(Q) Taylor Townsend VS (Q) Ysaline Bonaventure
Followed By
(Q) Juan Manuel Cerundolo VS (Q) Arthur Fils
Followed By
(Q) Roman Safiullin VS Marcos Giron
by
mick1303 jazzyg wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 7:49 pm
Fan is short for fanatic for a reason.
Anyone who thinks draws are rigged to favor certain players is a moron. No exceptions. But fans are going to fan.
I still maintain that 2003 Houston YEC was rigged. Too kind for Roddick and too harsh for Federer. All three players who had positive H2H agaisnt him ended up in his group. Nalbandian, Agassi and Ferrero. That McIngvale character was shady as h*ll.
by
ponchi101 mick1303 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:35 am
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I still maintain that 2003 Houston YEC was rigged. Too kind for Roddick and too harsh for Federer. All three players who had positive H2H agaisnt him ended up in his group. Nalbandian, Agassi and Ferrero. That McIngvale character was shady as h*ll.
Serious question. How do you rig a draw and NOT have the other players complain about it? Federer may be a nice guy but how would he not complain about something like that?
The sole time a draw was manipulated, in the 1996 USO, remember the stink that raised? Kafelnikov walked out, all other players complained, and the draw was done again. And it was NOT the draw that was rigged; it was the seeding. If they or anybody else could rig a draw, you would not bother changing the seeding.
If draws were rigged, players would say so because if you rig the draw, somebody ends up losing. And I doubt that the losers would keep it quiet.
by
mick1303 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 3:07 pm
mick1303 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:35 am
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I still maintain that 2003 Houston YEC was rigged. Too kind for Roddick and too harsh for Federer. All three players who had positive H2H agaisnt him ended up in his group. Nalbandian, Agassi and Ferrero. That McIngvale character was shady as h*ll.
Serious question. How do you rig a draw and NOT have the other players complain about it? Federer may be a nice guy but how would he not complain about something like that?
The sole time a draw was manipulated, in the 1996 USO, remember the stink that raised? Kafelnikov walked out, all other players complained, and the draw was done again. And it was NOT the draw that was rigged; it was the seeding. If they or anybody else could rig a draw, you would not bother changing the seeding.
If draws were rigged, players would say so because if you rig the draw, somebody ends up losing. And I doubt that the losers would keep it quiet.
I don't remember the whole story precisely. At the time Federer was far from influential figure he became over the years and more grand slam titles. But I think there were some words exchanged between him and Mattress Mac and mutual displeasure that year. The feeling was that this injustice lit a fire that allowed Federer to destroy all the opposition and that was the turning point in basically all those negative head-to-heads. Roddick's year-end #1 felt hollow and undeserving precisely for the reason that it is possible that it was protected by home-cooking. Adding to the Nalbandian's and Ferrero's displeasure about very preferential scheduling (and in case of Nalbandian - preferential officiating) at US Open.
by mick1303 Also, other players were not wronged by that draw (at least not to a degree to make a fuzz about this). If I'm not mistaken, Federer was the only one with a chance to overtake Roddick if latter wouldn't make a semis and Federer wins YEC undefeated. Federer did his part, but Roddick made semis from the group with Moya, Coria and Schuettler. His group seemed weaker. Probably Agassi, Ferrero and Nalbandian had some reason to complain, but the formalities were met, meaning that 1-2,3-4 etc were seeded in different groups. And Ferrero and Nalbandian were already complaining just recently (during US Open) and probably did not want to look too whiny. Also there was no formal reason for them to complain, because the rules were not violated. They were put in a group with Federer, who before that point was losing to them. So this "injustice" was only from Federer's point of view.
by ti-amie Thursday, May 11, 2023 Day 4
Center Court Starts At 11:00 Am
(14) Victoria Azarenka VS Sloane Stephens
Not Before 1:00 Pm
(WC) Luca Nardi VS David Goffin
Followed By
Lorenzo Sonego VS (PR) Jeremy Chardy
Not Before 7:00 PM
Sofia Kenin VS (2) Aryna Sabalenka
Not Before 8:30 Pm
(WC) Matteo Arnaldi VS Diego Schwartzman
Grand Stand Arena Starts At 11:00 Am
(13) Karolina Pliskova VS (Q) Anna Bondar
Not Before 1:00 PM
(6) Coco Gauff VS Y. Putintseva
Followed By
Albert Ramos-Vinolas VS (WC) Francesco Passaro
Followed By
(Q) Taylor Townsend VS (3) Jessica Pegula
Not Before 7:00 Pm
(Q) Stefano Napolitano VS Alex Molcan
Pietrangeli Starts At 11:00 Am
(WC) Giulio Zeppieri VS (Q) Daniel Altmaier
Followed By
Marco Cecchinato VS Mackenzie McDonald
Followed By
Dusan Lajovic VS Nuno Borges
Followed By
(23) Anastasia Potapova VS Elisabetta Cocciaretto
Followed By
(5) Caroline Garcia VS Ana Bogdan
Court 12 Starts At 11:00 Am
Nuria Parrizas Diaz VS (11) Veronika Kudermetova
Followed By
(17) Magda Linette VS Linda Noskova
Followed By
(Q) Magdalena Frech VS (19) Madison Keys
Followed By
Nicolas Jarry VS (Q) Yannick Hanfmann
Followed By
Quentin Halys VS J.J. Wolf
Court 1 Starts At 11:00 Am
Marc-Andrea Huesler VS Jason Kubler
Followed By
Ugo Humbert VS Emil Ruusuvuori
Followed By
E. Ruse VS (12) Beatriz Haddad Maia
Followed By
(Q) Camila Osorio VS (29) Petra Martic
Followed By
Kirsten Flipkens/Alicja Rosolska VS (4) Storm Hunter/Elise Mertens
Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am
(PR) Hugo Dellien VS Roberto Carballes Baena
Followed By
Adrian Mannarino VS Thiago Monteiro
Followed By
(PR) Guido Pella VS Maxime Cressy
Followed By
Corentin Moutet VS (Q) Fabian Marozsan
Followed By
Ulrikke Eikeri/Miyu Kato VS (8) Yifan Xu/Zhaoxuan Yang
Court 3 Starts At 11:00 Am
(31) Irina-Camelia Begu VS Xiyu Wang
Followed By
Caty McNally VS (27) Marie Bouzkova
Followed By
(30) Anhelina Kalinina VS Anna Blinkova
Followed By
A. Cornet VS (22) Qinwen Zheng
Followed By
Alexa Guarachi/Erin Routliffe VS (6) Shuko Aoyama/Ena Shibahara
Court 4 Starts At 11:00 Am
Juan Sebastian Cabal/Robert Farah VS Karen Khachanov/Andrey Rublev
Followed By
Nicole Melichar-Martinez/Alexandra Panova VS (WC) Jasmine Paolini/Martina Trevisan
Followed By / After Suitable Rest
Sebastian Baez/Bernabe Zapata Miralles VS Alex de Minaur/Jason Kubler
Followed By
Daniel Evans/Ben Shelton VS (WC) Lorenzo Musetti/Giulio Zeppieri
Followed By
Taylor Fritz/Tommy Paul VS Mackenzie McDonald/Frances Tiafoe
by
ponchi101 mick1303 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 3:52 pm
...
I don't remember the whole story precisely. At the time Federer was far from influential figure he became over the years and more grand slam titles. But I think there were some words exchanged between him and Mattress Mac and mutual displeasure that year. The feeling was that this injustice lit a fire that allowed Federer to destroy all the opposition and that was the turning point in basically all those negative head-to-heads. Roddick's year-end #1 felt hollow and undeserving precisely for the reason that it is possible that it was protected by home-cooking. Adding to the Nalbandian's and Ferrero's displeasure about very preferential scheduling (and in case of Nalbandian - preferential officiating) at US Open.
Ok, but that is not rigging a draw. And, to say that the Wimby champion is not an influential figure, and Roger already had a large following, is a bit hard to accept at face value.
I have never heard that Roddick's #1 year ranking felt hollow. Again, he had won the USO and the points were there. A very slim advantage, as we could see just a couple of months later when Roger reached #1 and did not look back.
As for the preferential officiating at the USO... I have no recollection of that. I gather I will have to take your word for it.
by ti-amie Nice to see Flavia and one of their sons, Federico, in the stands. Federico later joined his father for the camera signing ritual.
by ashkor87 Rome is the first real red clay tournament at the 1000 level, Madrid is an outlier, Charleston isnt red clay. so I expect some 'surprises' - like Swiatek doing well, better than Sabalenka, and Alcaraz beating everyone, including Djokovic..
Badosa versus Jebeur is a good one too. on real, slow, red clay, Badosa shuld win.. let us see what happens.. her first round didnt inspire confidence. I am not yet convinced of Jabeur's red clay credentials- Madrid last year was a great result but she didnt do much at RG after that, becausse Madrid is different, anyway. .. . Jabeur's game is better suited to grass and hard court..same with Sinner - he needs a faster surface, I cant visualize him winning here, nor Medvedev of course..
by ponchi101 Well, "first real" is a bit too much, Ashkor. Sure, Madrid seems to be different because the results say so, but it is still played on clay. The sliding and footing remain the same.
Swiatek playing well here will be no news. Sabalenka getting far may be. Alcaraz winning is the default mode.
You don't think that Jabeur's trick shots and movement are good on clay? She moves well, has a good drop shot, can play the long rallies. If she is not injured, I think she can be a factor.
by JazzNU So happy for Taylor, she played a great match.
by JazzNU I'm shocked that Pliskova went out early since she's been playing pretty well this season, especially to a player you'd expect her to beat wherever. I set my expectations very low for Karolina at all times, but Rome is damn near her best tournament on tour for reasons unknown, so this is surprising from her.
by ti-amie Petra Martic was up 4-1 in the first set and dropped it to MCOS losing the match 6-4, 6-2.
Kenin took the first set from Sabalenka 7-6(4) and is up 2-1 on serve in the second set.
Townsend def Pegula 6-2, 3-6, 6-3. Apparently the h2h is in Taylor's favor?
by
JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 6:30 pm
Kenin took the first set from Sabalenka 7-6(4) and is up 2-1 on serve in the second set.
Townsend def Pegula 6-2, 3-6, 6-3. Apparently the h2h is in Taylor's favor?
I thought Sonya was going to blow it, when those set points just kept going away I thought it was over and thought maybe that kind of crushing loss might doom the rest of her year. So good on her for getting through that set. I hope she enjoys this win, but figures out a way to come back with the same intensity for her next match. She's had some impressive showings this year, but she's rarely followed them up with a win.
I don't remember much about Pegula as a junior, but I would guess Taylor might be very familiar with her game going back a long way. She's older than Taylor, but not by much and they are friends off court and have been for awhile. Taylor attended Jessie's wedding.
by JazzNU The two big upsets of the day
by ti-amie Friday, May 12, 2023 Day 5
Center Court Starts At 11:00 Am
(Q) Thanasi Kokkinakis VS (8) Jannik Sinner
Not Before 1:00 PM
(1) Iga Swiatek VS Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova
Followed By
(4) Ons Jabeur VS Paula Badosa
Not Before 7:00 Pm
(1) Novak Djokovic VS Tomas Martin Etcheverry
Not Before 8:30 PM
Jasmine Paolini VS (7) Elena Rybakina
Grand Stand Arena Starts At 11:00 Am
(10) Felix Auger-Aliassime VS (Q) Alexei Popyrin
Followed By
Stan Wawrinka VS (26) Grigor Dimitrov
Followed By
Sorana Cirstea VS (20) Jelena Ostapenko
Followed By
(Q) Arthur Fils VS (7) Holger Rune
Not Before 7:00 PM
Marketa Vondrousova VS (24) Bianca Andreescu
Pietrangeli Starts At 11:00 Am
(9) Maria Sakkari VS Barbora Strycova
Followed By
(18) Martina Trevisan VS Karolina Muchova
Followed By
(30) Miomir Kecmanovic VS (WC) Fabio Fognini
Followed By
Camila Giorgi VS (15) Ekaterina Alexandrova
Followed By
(4) Casper Ruud VS Arthur Rinderknech
Court 12 Starts At 11:00 Am
(Q) Alexandre Muller VS (13) Cameron Norrie
Followed By
(17) Alex de Minaur VS Marton Fucsovics
Followed By
(Q) Roman Safiullin VS (22) Sebastian Korda
Followed By
(10) Barbora Krejcikova VS Danka Kovinic
Followed By
(WC) Lisa Pigato VS (8) Daria Kasatkina
Court 1 Starts At 11:00 Am
Anett Kontaveit VS (16) Liudmila Samsonova
Followed By
(21) Donna Vekic VS Aliaksandra Sasnovich
Followed By
(11) Karen Khachanov VS Gregoire Barrere
Followed By
Alexander Bublik VS (28) Ben Shelton
Followed By
Nicolas Mahut/Fabrice Martin VS (3) Ivan Dodig/Austin Krajicek
Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am
Yibing Wu VS (24) Francisco Cerundolo
Followed By
(LL) Alexander Shevchenko VS Sebastian Baez
Followed By
(23) Botic van de Zandschulp VS Laslo Djere
Followed By
Cristian Garin VS (16) Tommy Paul
Followed By
Hugo Nys/Jan Zielinski VS Maxime Cressy/David Vega Hernandez
Court 3 Starts At 11:00 Am
(26) Jil Teichmann VS Julia Grabher
Followed By
Claire Liu VS (32) Marta Kostyuk
Followed By
(25) Elise Mertens VS Anna Kalinskaya
Followed By
Lesia Tsurenko VS (28) Bernarda Pera
Followed By
(7) Asia Muhammad/Giuliana Olmos VS Timea Babos/Anna Danilina
Court 4 Starts At 11:00 Am
Kevin Krawietz/Tim Puetz VS Marcelo Melo/Alexander Zverev
Not Before 12:30 PM
(1) Coco Gauff/Jessica Pegula VS Oksana Kalashnikova/Yana Sizikova
Followed By
(WC) Andrea Pellegrino/Andrea Vavassori VS Alejandro Davidovich Fokina/Hubert Hurkacz
After Suitable Rest
Veronika Kudermetova/Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova VS (OSE) Victoria Azarenka/Beatriz Haddad Maia
Followed By
(5) Gabriela Dabrowski/Luisa Stefani VS (OSE) Marie Bouzkova/Bethanie Mattek-Sands
by ponchi101 Wide open bottom draw. Kenin and Osorio can gain points there and see if they can return to previous spots in the rankings.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 6:48 am
Rome is the first real red clay tournament at the 1000 level, Madrid is an outlier, Charleston isnt red clay. so I expect some 'surprises' - like Swiatek doing well,
better than Sabalenka, and Alcaraz beating everyone, including Djokovic..
Badosa versus Jebeur is a good one too. on real, slow, red clay, Badosa shuld win.. let us see what happens.. her first round didnt inspire confidence. I am not yet convinced of Jabeur's red clay credentials- Madrid last year was a great result but she didnt do much at RG after that, becausse Madrid is different, anyway. .. . Jabeur's game is better suited to grass and hard court..same with Sinner - he needs a faster surface, I cant visualize him winning here, nor Medvedev of course..
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 3:29 pm
Well, "first real" is a bit too much, Ashkor. Sure, Madrid seems to be different because the results say so, but it is still played on clay. The sliding and footing remain the same.
Swiatek playing well here will be no news.
Sabalenka getting far may be. Alcaraz winning is the default mode.
You don't think that Jabeur's trick shots and movement are good on clay? She moves well, has a good drop shot, can play the long rallies. If she is not injured, I think she can be a factor.
Reserved forecasts, bit we got it. Sabalenka out, together with Pegula. We will have to wait and see who comes out from the bottom half.
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Matteo Arnaldi with a first career win in Rome, beating 2020 runner up Schwartzman 6-1, 4-6, 6-3. Having a great clay court season.
El Peque played much better than in recent matches, still not enough. Will need to defend his R16 points at Roland Garros to stay... on top 100...
by Owendonovan I love the person we see Taylor as.
by JTContinental Taylor Townsend has come back from maternity leave playing the best tennis of her life.
by ashkor87 Re TT, a good volleyer can always do well on clay, given 2 things: fearlessness and movement...TT has both.
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ashkor87 JazzNU wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 6:05 pm
I'm shocked that Pliskova went out early since she's been playing pretty well this season, especially to a player you'd expect her to beat wherever. I set my expectations very low for Karolina at all times, but Rome is damn near her best tournament on tour for reasons unknown, so this is surprising from her.
True but I have given up trying to understand Pliskova...
by ashkor87 But nice to see Kenin doing well .she is very much a player in the Hingis mould- redirects, uses her opponent's pace...would not have worked against, say, Swiatek, but against Saba...
Bencic is probably the player closest to her in style, though Bencic is bigger and stronger...Kenin has already achieved more, though, so great to see. In my estimation Kenin is probably the best bet the US has, not Pegula or ...up-side I mean..
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 7:59 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 6:48 am
Rome is the first real red clay tournament at the 1000 level, Madrid is an outlier, Charleston isnt red clay. so I expect some 'surprises' - like Swiatek doing well,
better than Sabalenka, and Alcaraz beating everyone, including Djokovic..
Badosa versus Jebeur is a good one too. on real, slow, red clay, Badosa shuld win.. let us see what happens.. her first round didnt inspire confidence. I am not yet convinced of Jabeur's red clay credentials- Madrid last year was a great result but she didnt do much at RG after that, becausse Madrid is different, anyway. .. . Jabeur's game is better suited to grass and hard court..same with Sinner - he needs a faster surface, I cant visualize him winning here, nor Medvedev of course..
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 3:29 pm
Well, "first real" is a bit too much, Ashkor. Sure, Madrid seems to be different because the results say so, but it is still played on clay. The sliding and footing remain the same.
Swiatek playing well here will be no news.
Sabalenka getting far may be. Alcaraz winning is the default mode.
You don't think that Jabeur's trick shots and movement are good on clay? She moves well, has a good drop shot, can play the long rallies. If she is not injured, I think she can be a factor.
Reserved forecasts, bit we got it. Sabalenka out, together with Pegula. We will have to wait and see who comes out from the bottom half.
Drops and slices would work better on grass and hard, don't you think?
Madrid has been won by such red clay experts as Kvitova (3 times!) ..so I tend to regard it as an important tournament but too different to be an indicator for RG or even Rome...
by ashkor87 Badosa has beaten Jabeur, as expected...
by Suliso In my opinion 2022 was Jabeur's career year and she'll not approach those heights again.
by ponchi101 Reaching those heights will be hard. But losing to a fellow player who is also in a descending path, by that score, is worrisome.
I actually thought Jabeur would get this one.
by jazzyg Props to Tennis Channel for showing the Fognini-Kecmanovic second set in its entirety.
The atmosphere and Fognini's shotmaking made it the most entertaining match in its time slot, but it is unusual for a tennis network to side with entertainment value over name brand. There were no big-time matches going on, but Ostapenko-Cirstea would have been the normal choice since they were playing on a bigger court and one is a slam winner while the other is playing very well.
Fognini has been really good in his first two matches. His likely match with Rune in the round of 16 should be entertaining as well.
by
jazzyg ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 3:42 pm
Reaching those heights will be hard. But losing to a fellow player who is also in a descending path, by that score, is worrisome.
I actually thought Jabeur would get this one.
Badosa has been playing quite well the past month. She lost two games to Gauff in Madrid. And wasn't Jabeur coming back from an injury?
by
ponchi101 jazzyg wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 4:09 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 3:42 pm
Reaching those heights will be hard. But losing to a fellow player who is also in a descending path, by that score, is worrisome.
I actually thought Jabeur would get this one.
Badosa has been playing quite well the past month. She lost two games to Gauff in Madrid. And wasn't Jabeur coming back from an injury.
Which I would say adds to my point. She has not recovered well from that injury, and we know that sometimes that leads to a vicious circle: you are not fully recovered, come back due to the pressures of the tour, you can't play well, you get injured again and the worst scenario starts.
Badosa has played well the last month, not the last 18 months. She is down to 37. I hope they will both recover.
by ponchi101 We know about the request for absolute silence when players are playing.
But in Rome, there are adjacent courts playing at the same time. Right now, Paul and Garin are playing in such a court, and of course, when their spectators are cheering, the other court is playing, and vice versa. And it is a total mess with the "silence" rule.
And all four players are playing with no issues.
by ti-amie Vondrousova up 4-0 first set vs Andreescu in a mostly empty stadium. Ruud was playing but I waited too long to see how crowded - or not - the stands were.
by ti-amie Meanwhile Vondrousova served Andreescu a nice bagel in the first set in less than half an hour. The second set is underway and match time per the WTA site is 28m.
by ti-amie Official match time 55m as Vondrousova romps 0 & 1 over Andreescu.
by ponchi101 Giorgi with a solid win over Alexandrova. Getting more data for who can be of any risk at RG.
by ti-amie Saturday, May 13, 2023 Day 6
Center Court Starts At 11:00 Am
(5) Caroline Garcia VS (Q) Camila Osorio
Not Before 1:00 Pm
Albert Ramos-Vinolas VS (2) Carlos Alcaraz
Followed By
Lorenzo Sonego VS (25) Yoshihito Nishioka
Not Before 7:00 PM
(6) Coco Gauff VS (27) Marie Bouzkova
Not Before 8:30 Pm
(18) Lorenzo Musetti VS (WC) Matteo Arnaldi
Grand Stand Arena Starts At 11:00 Am
(30) Anhelina Kalinina VS Sofia Kenin
Followed By
(23) Anastasia Potapova VS (11) Veronika Kudermetova
Followed By
(5) Stefanos Tsitsipas VS Nuno Borges
Not Before 5:00 PM
(14) Victoria Azarenka VS (19) Madison Keys
Not Before 7:00 Pm
(21) Roberto Bautista Agut VS Marco Cecchinato
Pietrangeli Starts At 11:00 Am
(6) Andrey Rublev VS Alex Molcan
Not Before 1:00 PM
(17) Magda Linette VS (12) Beatriz Haddad Maia
Followed By
(Q) Anna Bondar VS (22) Qinwen Zheng
Followed By
Emil Ruusuvuori VS (3) Daniil Medvedev
Followed By
David Goffin VS (19) Alexander Zverev
Court 12 Starts At 11:00 Am
Xiyu Wang VS (Q) Taylor Townsend
Followed By
(14) Hubert Hurkacz VS J.J. Wolf
Followed By
(Q) Daniel Altmaier VS (12) Frances Tiafoe
Followed By
(Q) Yannick Hanfmann VS (9) Taylor Fritz
Followed By
(1) Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski VS Matwe Middelkoop/Andreas Mies
Court 1 Starts At 11:00 Am
(15) Borna Coric VS Thiago Monteiro
Followed By
(PR) Guido Pella VS (27) Alejandro Davidovich Fokina
Followed By
(ALT) Daria Kasatkina/Yulia Putintseva VS Monica Niculescu/Makoto Ninomiya
After Suitable Rest
(OSE) Magda Linette/Marketa Vondrousova VS Hao-Ching Chan/Latisha Chan
Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am
Roberto Carballes Baena VS (20) Daniel Evans
Followed By
(32) Jiri Lehecka VS (Q) Fabian Marozsan
Followed By
Simone Bolelli/Fabio Fognini VS Alexander Erler/Lucas Miedler
Followed By
(4) Marcelo Arevalo/Jean-Julien Rojer VS Jamie Murray/Michael Venus
Followed By
(5) Nikola Mektic/Mate Pavic VS Marcel Granollers/Horacio Zeballos
Court 3 Starts At 11:00 Am
(WC) Federico Arnaboldi/Gianmarco Ferrari VS (7) Rohan Bopanna/Matthew Ebden
Followed By
(31) Bernabe Zapata Miralles VS Jason Kubler
Followed By
(6) Lloyd Glasspool/Harri Heliovaara VS Nathaniel Lammons/John Peers
Followed By
Maximo Gonzalez/Andres Molteni VS (2) Rajeev Ram/Joe Salisbury
Followed By
Robin Haase/Botic van de Zandschulp VS (8) Santiago Gonzalez/Edouard Roger-Vasselin
Court 4 Starts At 11:00 Am
Su-Wei Hsieh/Barbora Strycova VS Nadiia Kichenok/Kimberley Zimmermann
Followed By
Marta Kostyuk/Elena-Gabriela Ruse VS Tereza Mihalikova/Alycia Parks
Followed By
(WC) Lucia Bronzetti/Elisabetta Cocciaretto VS (2) Lyudmyla Kichenok/Jelena Ostapenko
After Suitable Rest
(WC) Angelica Moratelli/Camilla Rosatello VS (OSE) Sofia Kenin/Aliaksandra Sasnovich
After Suitable Rest
(OSE) Ekaterina Alexandrova/Anastasia Potapova VS Miriam Kolodziejova/Vera Zvonareva
by JTContinental Iga double bagels Pavs.
Speaking of comebacks, based on the scoreline, Andreescu may have come back too soon.
by
ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 8:41 pm
Giorgi with a solid win over Alexandrova. Getting more data for who can be of any risk at RG.
That is easy..whoever faces either of them early! Both are capable of beating anyone..
by ponchi101 Alexandrova will be seeded. So, no risk for anybody else until 3R.
Giorgi will be a floater. So she is more of a risk for lower ranked, seeded players.
by ponchi101 Osorio upsets Garcia. ESPN reported that Caroline was in tears during her press conference, saying she does not know what is happening, that she does not know what is wrong. She is training and practicing like always, but nothing is working.
This sport can be so brutal. 6 months ago, she reached her highest peak. Now, her game is not working.
by ti-amie It's taking a while for tomorrow's OoP to come out. There must be some interesting discussions going on...
by ti-amie Sunday, May 14, 2023 Day 7
Center Court Starts At 11:00 Am
Karolina Muchova VS Camila Giorgi
Followed By
(1) Iga Swiatek VS Lesia Tsurenko
Followed By
(1) Novak Djokovic VS (26) Grigor Dimitrov
Not Before 7:00 PM
Anna Kalinskaya VS (7) Elena Rybakina
Not Before 8:30 Pm
(LL) Alexander Shevchenko VS (8) Jannik Sinner
Grand Stand Arena Starts At 11:00 Am
(21) Roberto Bautista Agut VS Marco Cecchinato
Not Before 12:30 Pm
(WC) Fabio Fognini VS (7) Holger Rune
Followed By / TBF 6/3 4/3
(5) Stefanos Tsitsipas VS Nuno Borges
Not Before 3:00 PM
(14) Victoria Azarenka VS (19) Madison Keys
Followed By
(10) Barbora Krejcikova VS (20) Jelena Ostapenko
Not Before 7:00 Pm
David Goffin VS (19) Alexander Zverev
Pietrangeli Starts At 11:00 Am
(9) Maria Sakkari VS Marketa Vondrousova
Not Before 12:30 Pm
Emil Ruusuvuori VS (3) Daniil Medvedev
Followed By
(18) Lorenzo Musetti VS (WC) Matteo Arnaldi
Followed By
(4) Casper Ruud VS Alexander Bublik
Followed By
(21) Donna Vekic VS (16) Liudmila Samsonova
Court 12 Starts At 11:00 Am
Julia Grabher VS (8) Daria Kasatkina
Not Before 12:30 PM
(6) Coco Gauff VS (27) Marie Bouzkova
Followed By / TBF 6/3 3/4
(Q) Daniel Altmaier VS (12) Frances Tiafoe
Followed By
Marton Fucsovics VS (13) Cameron Norrie
Followed By
(6) Lloyd Glasspool/Harri Heliovaara VS Mackenzie McDonald/Frances Tiafoe
Court 1 Starts At 11:00 Am
(Q) Alexei Popyrin VS (Q) Roman Safiullin
Followed By
Laslo Djere VS Cristian Garin
Followed By
Paula Badosa VS (32) Marta Kostyuk
Followed By / TBF 0/0
Simone Bolelli/Fabio Fognini VS Alexander Erler/Lucas Miedler
Followed By
(1) Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski VS Matwe Middelkoop/Andreas Mies
Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am
Gregoire Barrere VS (24) Francisco Cerundolo
Not Before 12:30 Pm
(Q) Yannick Hanfmann VS (9) Taylor Fritz
Followed By / TBF 6/4 1/6 1/2
(32) Jiri Lehecka VS (Q) Fabian Marozsan
Followed By
Robin Haase/Botic van de Zandschulp VS (8) Santiago Gonzalez/Edouard Roger-Vasselin
Followed By
Maximo Gonzalez/Andres Molteni VS (2) Rajeev Ram/Joe Salisbury
Court 3 Starts At 12:00 Pm
(WC) Angelica Moratelli/Camilla Rosatello VS (4) Storm Hunter/Elise Mertens
After Suitable Rest
(OSE) Magda Linette/Marketa Vondrousova VS Hao-Ching Chan/Latisha Chan
After Suitable Rest
(1) Coco Gauff/Jessica Pegula [/b]VS Nicole Melichar-Martinez/Alexandra Panova
After Suitable Rest
(3) Desirae Krawczyk/Demi Schuurs VS Marta Kostyuk/Elena-Gabriela Ruse
Court 4 Starts At 12:00 Noon
(5) Nikola Mektic/Mate Pavic VS Marcel Granollers/Horacio Zeballos
Followed By
(OSE) Ekaterina Alexandrova/Anastasia Potapova VS Miriam Kolodziejova/Vera Zvonareva
After Suitable Rest
(ALT) Daria Kasatkina/Yulia Putintseva VS Monica Niculescu/Makoto Ninomiya
After Suitable Rest
(OSE) Marie Bouzkova/Bethanie Mattek-Sands VS Nadiia Kichenok/Kimberley Zimmermann
After Suitable Rest
Timea Babos/Anna Danilina VS (OSE) Victoria Azarenka/Beatriz Haddad Maia
by ponchi101 Cami vs BHM. A winnable match, for both.
Cami needs it more, though.
by
ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 10:45 pm
Cami vs BHM. A winnable match, for both.
Cami needs it more, though.
If she can hold her focus and aggression maybe...
by
JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 6:10 pm
Osorio upsets Garcia. ESPN reported that Caroline was in tears during her press conference, saying she does not know what is happening, that she does not know what is wrong. She is training and practicing like always, but nothing is working.
This sport can be so brutal. 6 months ago, she reached her highest peak. Now, her game is not working.
Observations during the match
by ashkor87 Cami vs bhm also a clash of styles! My theory is bhm's is better suited...I like them both so....
by
ptmcmahon ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 6:10 pm
Osorio upsets Garcia. ESPN reported that Caroline was in tears during her press conference, saying she does not know what is happening, that she does not know what is wrong. She is training and practicing like always, but nothing is working.
This sport can be so brutal. 6 months ago, she reached her highest peak. Now, her game is not working.
My TSIP team can take the blame for the last two weeks
by
ptmcmahon ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 7:02 pm
Anyone else finding these "The moment" tweets silly? The moment the #1 player won a second round match?
Really?
by ashkor87 Re Garcia- true that she has not had the results she should ..could be a couple of things- her own serve may not have been as effective ( has it?) - she led the tour in aces a year or two ago..also, her tactic of standing well inside the baseline to return serve, may have been countered by her opponents, to whom it is not a shock any more..by serving deeper and wider..
Also watched a highlights clip of OS..the way she played against Garcia, she might have beaten anyone...
by ashkor87 Not at all surprised at Vondrousova beating Sakkari..she is a class player, coming back, it seems, now, from injury. Looking forward to seeing her do well here and at RG. Her lefty serve and wicked topspin forehand are really a lot like Nadal....work well on clay and slow surfaces with good bounce...
by ashkor87 watching highlight video of Sakkari vs V and Muchova vs Trevisan - clearly substantiates the view that while drop shots are very good at jerking your opponent out of position, they can easily be chased down on clay by the good, fast movers like Muchova.. not as outright winners as they might be on hard or grass..
by Suliso Swiatek won the last 11 games of the match...
by ashkor87 blockbuster match coming up - former RG champion Krejcikova versus Ostapenko is a clash of styles as well - pure power vs silky smooth .. unhappily, i expect power to win...
by
Owendonovan ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 4:20 am
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 7:02 pm
Anyone else finding these "The moment" tweets silly? The moment the #1 player won a second round match?
Really?
100%. These aren't babies taking their first steps.
by
JazzNU ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 4:20 am
Anyone else finding these "The moment" tweets silly? The moment the #1 player won a second round match?
Really?
I don't mind them at all, seeing the match point and the reaction is great if you missed the match. HOWEVER, I truly do not want to see it from the top players until it's like the Semi-Finals or some hard fought QF against someone notable. I don't give a damn about the Top 10 winning their match 6-2 6-2 over like the 74th ranked player. It's a routine win as it should be, I didn't miss anything.
by JazzNU Djokovic was serving up a break at 6-4, 4-3 and lost the final three games of the 2nd set to Dimitrov. He's now up a break in the 3rd.
by
ponchi101 ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 4:20 am
...
Anyone else finding these "The moment" tweets silly? The moment the #1 player won a second round match?
Really?
The problem when you have nothing to hype because everything is routine.
Yes, it is super silly.
"The moment Alcaraz did EXACTLY WHAT EVERYBODY AND HIS GRANDMOTHER knew he would do".
by
Suliso Krejcikova was ahead 5-2 and then didn't win another game.
by
ponchi101 C'mon, that's not funny...
Actually, surprised. I know Alona can beat anybody, but to go on such a streak for that long, it is pretty impressive.
And, technically, Krejcikova did win one more game. She forced the TB.
by ashkor87 Muchova moving quietly through the draw, knocking off one good player after another...great to see her doing well..she is a complete player ...next up is Badosa.
Zverev vs Wolf next, will ell us a lot about how good JJW really is, and where Zverev is on his way back ..he is the only potential threat to Alcaraz and Djokovic at RG, assuming Nadal is not..
by
JTContinental ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 7:02 pm
Is this really a occasion with calling out? The hype machine is working hard to make me sick of him before he even really gets started.
by
JTContinental ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 4:20 am
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 7:02 pm
Anyone else finding these "The moment" tweets silly? The moment the #1 player won a second round match?
Really?
Ha ha jinx
by ti-amie Monday, May 15, 2023 Day 8
Center Court Starts At 11:00 Am
(19) Madison Keys VS (30) Anhelina Kalinina
Followed By
(Q) Fabian Marozsan VS (2) Carlos Alcaraz
Not Before 3:00 PM
Marketa Vondrousova VS (7) Elena Rybakina
Not Before 7:00 Pm
(5) Stefanos Tsitsipas VS Lorenzo Sonego
Not Before 8:30 PM
(1) Iga Swiatek VS D. Vekic (21)
Grand Stand Arena Starts At 11:00 Am
Marco Cecchinato VS (Q) Yannick Hanfmann
Not Before 1:00 PM
(27) Marie Bouzkova VS (11) Veronika Kudermetova
Followed By
(31) Bernabe Zapata Miralles VS (3) Daniil Medvedev
Followed By
(18) Lorenzo Musetti VS (12) Frances Tiafoe
Not Before 7:00 PM
Paula Badosa VS Karolina Muchova
Pietrangeli Starts At 11:00 Am
(22) Qinwen Zheng VS Xiyu Wang
Followed By
(6) Andrey Rublev VS (27) Alejandro Davidovich Fokina
Followed By
(20) Jelena Ostapenko VS (8) Daria Kasatkina
Followed By
J.J. Wolf VS (19) Alexander Zverev
Followed By
(1) Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski VS Simone Bolelli/Fabio Fognini
Court 12 Starts At 11:00 Am
(15) Borna Coric VS Roberto Carballes Baena
Followed By
(Q) Camila Osorio VS (12) Beatriz Haddad Maia
Followed By
Hugo Nys/Jan Zielinski VS (3) Ivan Dodig/Austin Krajicek
Court 1 Starts At 11:00 Am
Alex de Minaur/Jason Kubler VS (7) Rohan Bopanna/Matthew Ebden
Followed By
(OSE) Ekaterina Alexandrova/Anastasia Potapova VS (6) Shuko Aoyama/Ena Shibahara
Followed By
Monica Niculescu/Makoto Ninomiya VS Ulrikke Eikeri/Miyu Kato
Followed By
Timea Babos/Anna Danilina VS (4) Storm Hunter/Elise Mertens
After Suitable Rest
(OSE) Magda Linette/Marketa Vondrousova VS (2) Lyudmyla Kichenok/Jelena Ostapenko
Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am
(4) Marcelo Arevalo/Jean-Julien Rojer VS Jamie Murray/Michael Venus
Followed By
Marcel Granollers/Horacio Zeballos VS Daniel Evans/Ben Shelton
Followed By
(WC) Andrea Pellegrino/Andrea Vavassori VS (2) Rajeev Ram/Joe Salisbury
by ashkor87 Oh oh danger for Rybakina! Vondrousova might well despatch her.
QZ is another player quietly navigating the early rounds ..she is one with almost unlimited potential...
by
ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 12:33 am
Oh oh danger for Rybakina! Vondrousova might well despatch her.
QZ is another player quietly navigating the early rounds ..she is one with almost unlimited potential...
I say Marketa takes the match. Her best surface is clay, she is playing quality tennis, I still say that the gorgeous flat FH from Elena can't do the same damage on clay.
Vondrousova at 60% (I'll take your cues).
by
ponchi101 JTContinental wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:33 pm
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Is this really a occasion with calling out? The hype machine is working hard to make me sick of him before he even really gets started.
They have no other choice. He is the only solid player, at the moment, that can "replace" (because nobody can) Roger or Nadal.
If they don't do this and do not hype him, tennis' "golden era" ends two Mondays from now, when Nadal announces he is not playing RG.
(Remember the dismal ratings from the Aussie final, featuring the nicest guy in the tour Vs the best coiffed guy in the tour? They can't afford that anymore).
by
ptmcmahon JTContinental wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:33 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 7:02 pm
Is this really a occasion with calling out? The hype machine is working hard to make me sick of him before he even really gets started.
It's not just with him, they seem be doing it often for occasions where it's really not needed. Of course because he's winning so much it's going to be him often.
by
ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 12:45 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 12:33 am
Oh oh danger for Rybakina! Vondrousova might well despatch her.
QZ is another player quietly navigating the early rounds ..she is one with almost unlimited potential...
I say Marketa takes the match. Her best surface is clay, she is playing quality tennis, I still say that the gorgeous flat FH from Elena can't do the same damage on clay.
Vondrousova at 60% (I'll take your cues).
I would say 50-50...
by Owendonovan Will they show the moment when Alcarz loses to Morazsan in the same spirit?
by
ptmcmahon Let's hope so!
Glad I have one more day before predictions
by
ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:58 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 12:45 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 12:33 am
Oh oh danger for Rybakina! Vondrousova might well despatch her.
QZ is another player quietly navigating the early rounds ..she is one with almost unlimited potential...
I say Marketa takes the match. Her best surface is clay, she is playing quality tennis, I still say that the gorgeous flat FH from Elena can't do the same damage on clay.
Vondrousova at 60% (I'll take your cues).
I would say 50-50...
I spoke too soon. It seems Elena will make me eat my words (and I will do so gladly).
If she beats Marketa, I will start changing my tune on her prowess on clay. That would be a solid win, proving her mobility on clay is not a handicap.
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ponchi101 Owendonovan wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 12:57 pm
Will they show the moment when Alcarz loses to Morazsan in the same spirit?
If they don't produce a "The moment Morazsan beat the world's #1" clip, they will look very petty.
by Suliso That might be surprise of the year so far.
by
nelslus ON a positive note- at least this should (at least) temporarily stop CERTAIN members of this site from shrieking about The Invincible Carlitos.
AND, for those of us who are actually fans of this guy- hopefully, this is just a matter of The-Italian-Open-Doesn't-Fit-His-Game, Needs-A-Break=Badly, and Exhaustion-itis.
Otherwise, those of you in fear of a Alcaraz Blitz may have led us to a world where Novak wins the 2023 Roland Garros title.
by
nelslus PS: In the true upset of the day- Ram and Salisbury have won two matches in a row at a tournament.
by
ponchi101 nelslus wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 3:00 pm
ON a positive note- at least this should (at least) temporarily stop CERTAIN members of this site from shrieking about The Invincible Carlitos.
AND, for those of us who are actually fans of this guy- hopefully, this is just a matter of The-Italian-Open-Doesn't-Fit-His-Game, Needs-A-Break=Badly, and Exhaustion-itis.
Otherwise, those of you in fear of a Alcaraz Blitz may have led us to a world where Novak wins the 2023 Roland Garros title.
Was it Robert DeNiro that said "you talking to me?"
Minor hiccup on the road. Do you still not give him the best chances at RG? I know, I know, I know. Novak looks better and better now for that title. But this gives Carlitos two weeks of rest.
And (serious) here, I don't understand the "actual fans of this guy". It is not as if he is lacking members of that club.
by mick1303 For some people over-promoting is off-putting. I caught myself being quite delighted with Alcaraz being beaten. Through no fault of his own, Alcaraz quickly becoming my least favorite player. Another fact that makes me root against him is that Nadal fans switched to him en masse.
by
nelslus ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 3:35 pmWas it Robert DeNiro that said "you talking to me?"
Minor hiccup on the road. Do you still not give him the best chances at RG? I know, I know, I know. Novak looks better and better now for that title. But this gives Carlitos two weeks of rest.
And (serious) here, I don't understand the "actual fans of this guy". It is not as if he is lacking members of that club.
OF course, I was only referring to the true fans of Carlitos within THIS site. Apparently, FAR too few in here, apparently, are True Carlitos Blue Fans.
'
PS: OF course, one has to give Alcaraz more than a chance to win Roland Garros. Truth be told- I had hoped he would drop out of this tournament. 'Cause, such a loss ain't a great way to feel fully confident for any Slam tournament. I do want this kid to have a great career, starting with this Roland Garros.
PSS: mick: TO be clear....No one in here would ever confuse me with a Rafa fan!!!!
No en masse-mess from me. I just really like Carlito's game.
by JazzNU This tournament has made some terrible decisions with the rain. Tiafoe's match should've stopped when they called off play on the other courts. They did this earlier in the tournament in one of Zheng's matches. They kept playing when every other court was called and on match point, her opponent slipped on the clay and they acted like it was just business as usual. The players were dripping wet when they shook hands with each other and the umpire. I thought they'd learn their lessen from that where this inconsistency isn't okay and certainly not in line with player safety rules. But I guess not. And there may have been other times this has happened as well, there have been a decent number of rain delays in the first week.
by
ponchi101 JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 6:37 pm
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And it must be a long time since the #1 and #2 S. Americans played each other.
(Unless I am missing somebody else).
by ti-amie Bia won in straights 3& 3
Cami seems to have stagnated.
by ti-amie
Love the Three Stooges visual reference...
by
Owendonovan nelslus wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 3:00 pm
ON a positive note- at least this should (at least) temporarily stop CERTAIN members of this site from shrieking about The Invincible Carlitos.
AND, for those of us who are actually fans of this guy- hopefully, this is just a matter of The-Italian-Open-Doesn't-Fit-His-Game, Needs-A-Break=Badly, and Exhaustion-itis.
Otherwise, those of you in fear of a Alcaraz Blitz may have led us to a world where Novak wins the 2023 Roland Garros title.
I think he's exactly what the game needed at exactly the right time who wan't named Federer, Nadal, Murray, or Djokovic. I don't think he's a clone of any other player but someone whose play has managed to remind of all 4 of those mentioned above. I also like he doesn't have the silly "next gen" stuck to his name/game.
by ti-amie Tuesday, May 16, 2023 Day 9
Center Court Starts At 11:00 Am
(1) Novak Djokovic VS (13) Cameron Norrie
Not Before 12:30 Pm / TBF 6/3 0/0
(5) Stefanos Tsitsipas VS Lorenzo Sonego
Not Before 1:30 PM
(1) Iga Swiatek VS (21) Donna Vekic
Followed By
(24) Francisco Cerundolo VS (8) Jannik Sinner
Not Before 7:00 PM
(12) Beatriz Haddad Maia VS (30) Anhelina Kalinina
Not Before 8:30 Pm
Stefanos Tsitsipas Or Lorenzo Sonego VS Lorenzo Musetti Or Frances Tiafoe
Grand Stand Arena Starts At 11:00 Am
(Q) Alexei Popyrin VS (7) Holger Rune
Not Before 12:30 Pm / TBF 5/7 6/4 2/1
(18) Lorenzo Musetti VS (12) Frances Tiafoe
Followed By
(4) Casper Ruud VS Laslo Djere
Followed By
(6) Andrey Rublev VS (Q) Yannick Hanfmann
Followed By
J.J. Wolf Or Alexander Zverev VS (3) Daniil Medvedev
Not Before 7:00 Pm
(15) Borna Coric VS (Q) Fabian Marozsan
Pietrangeli Starts At 11:00 Am
(3) Desirae Krawczyk/Demi Schuurs VS Ulrikke Eikeri/Miyu Kato
Not Before 12:30 Pm / TBF 4/6 3/3
J.J. Wolf VS (19) Alexander Zverev
Followed By
(1) Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski VS Simone Bolelli/Fabio Fognini
Not Before 3:00 PM
Paula Badosa VS Karolina Muchova
Followed By
(11) Veronika Kudermetova VS (22) Qinwen Zheng
Court 1 Starts At 1:00 Pm
(OSE) Magda Linette/Marketa Vondrousova VS (2) Lyudmyla Kichenok/Jelena Ostapenko
Followed By
Jamie Murray/Michael Venus VS Robin Haase/Botic van de Zandschulp
Not Before 3:00 Pm / TBA
Mackenzie McDonald/Frances Tiafoe VS Hugo Nys/Jan Zielinski
by ashkor87 I wonder how the court is playing after the rain.. could be the reason for some 'hard court' like results?
anyway, Tsitsi and Zverev are both doing well..people who think Zverev will go out early at the FO may be in for a surprise.. he is getting back, slowly but surely. Medvedev next for him - if he is getting back, he should be able to win that, let us see what happens.
by ponchi101 Remember they recently played at Monte Carlo, with Zverev serving for the match twice (in the 2nd and in the 3rd) and losing.
In the matches I have seen, he is not being able to dictate with the BH. Maybe the timing is a bit off.
by ponchi101 Hadn't noticed that Sinner has also adopted the "extreme back" receiving position.
Mac and Sampras must be thinking "I have a chance against these guys".
by JazzNU Very entertaining match going on right now between Badosa and Muchova. Muchova won the long second set in a tiebreak, but Badosa broke early in the 3rd and has the advantage now at 3-1.
by ponchi101 Then a good day to be in Rome. The Sinner/Cerundolo match is also very entertaining, and it is slowly becoming a Davis Cup match.
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skatingfan ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:13 pm
Hadn't noticed that Sinner has also adopted the "extreme back" receiving position.
Mac and Sampras must be thinking "I have a chance against these guys".
And then they watched the forehand return fly past, and realized they should stay retired.
by ponchi101 Serious here. If you had given Mac such a position in 1984, he could have easily hit the baseline line judge with his slice wide out. Sampras could have done the same in the deuce side.
Anybody that right now develops a "slice-wide out, volley to the open court" combo can do some damage.
by ti-amie Wednesday, May 17, 2023 Day 10
Center Court Starts At 1:00 Pm
QF
(1) Novak Djokovic VS (7) Holger Rune
Not Before 3:00 PM
Paula Badosa VS (20) Jelena Ostapenko
Not Before 7:00 Pm
QF
(4) Casper Ruud VS (24) Francisco Cerundolo
Not Before 8:30 PM
(1) Iga Swiatek VS (7) Elena Rybakina
Grand Stand Arena Starts At 11:00 Am
QF
Marcel Granollers/Horacio Zeballos VS (2) Rajeev Ram/Joe Salisbury
Followed By
(1) Coco Gauff/Jessica Pegula VS (6) Shuko Aoyama/Ena Shibahara
Followed By
QF
(1) Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski VS Alex de Minaur/Jason Kubler
After Suitable Rest
(OSE) Marie Bouzkova/Bethanie Mattek-Sands VS (2) Lyudmyla Kichenok/Jelena Ostapenko
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nelslus ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 3:28 pm
Remember they recently played at Monte Carlo, with Zverev serving for the match twice (in the 2nd and in the 3rd) and losing.
In the matches I have seen, he is not being able to dictate with the BH. Maybe the timing is a bit off.
Pretty embarrassing ending to today's match for Zverev. Medvedev only had to play the "don't hit an error" routine to "win" the second set tiebreaker. Uninspiring- with an anti-Zverev Happy Ending.
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nelslus WELL, since I have to re-do this message anyway, let's go with....
Madison Brengle: Your 2023 Roland Garros Champion.
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nelslus JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 7:56 pm
...."all the feels".....
by JazzNU Another very good match, high quality, just not as entertaining as Badosa vs. Muchova, which had all kinds of shot variety. A very good win for Veronika, she was up two breaks in the 3rd, Zheng got one back and seemed like she was going to get it back to even a couple of times, but Veronika served well under pressure.
by ti-amie I just watched Kudermetova's husband/coach literally talk her through her entire match vs Qinwen to win 3-6, 6-3, 6-4.
#notimpressed
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JazzNU nelslus wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 7:58 pm
...."all the feels".....
What would you prefer they say there?
And let Paula have this one. She's been consistently having tough draws since she's not ranked as high and is finally getting through a few.
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nelslus ....Iga's gotta be having a nasty case of the giggles, with all of these marathon women's matches going on/
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nelslus JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:06 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 7:58 pm
...."all the feels".....
What would you prefer they say there?
And let Paula have this one. She's been consistently having tough draws since she's not ranked as high and is finally getting through a few.
OH, no anti-Badosa commentary meant. I'm all good with Badosa winning many matches. Just wta snark.
I mean, why not go ahead and post "You GO, Girl!!!!" and up the obnoxious comment quotient factor?
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:04 pm
I just watched Kudermetova's husband/coach literally talk her through her entire match vs Qinwen to win 3-6, 6-3, 6-4.
#notimpressed
I mean that's fine, but I hope you were posting that about Carlito in Madrid as well.
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ti-amie JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:11 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:04 pm
I just watched Kudermetova's husband/coach literally talk her through her entire match vs Qinwen to win 3-6, 6-3, 6-4.
#notimpressed
I mean that's fine, but I hope you were posting that about Carlito in Madrid as well.
I didn't but maybe because it was less obvious? Most of the time I'm busy doing other things while I have tennis on mute. Today I just saw Kudermetova's husband/coach working/talking with her during a long bathroom break by Qinwen and then throughout sets 2 & 3. I still thought Qinwen would win it but it wasn't to be.
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JazzNU nelslus wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:10 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:06 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 7:58 pm
...."all the feels".....
What would you prefer they say there?
And let Paula have this one. She's been consistently having tough draws since she's not ranked as high and is finally getting through a few.
ON, no anti-Badosa commentary meant. Just wta snark.
I mean, why not go ahead and post "You GO, Girl!!!!" and up the obnoxious comment quotient factor?
Well they didn't do that because it's not 1992...but seriously, that's an acceptable phrase to use on social media. An ordinary way to describe those reaction shots to most, so expected rather than obnoxious.
by ti-amie It's raining pretty hard right now.
Bia and Kalinina are in a third set.
Borna about to drop the first set to Marozsan. Chair is stopping the women's match I think. It's pouring.
by ti-amie Players from both matches are still on court but they're not playing.
by ti-amie And play has resumed.
by ponchi101 It's legal now so there is nothing to do about it, but it was not only Carlitos or Kudermetova being coached through the entire match. I noticed there were several such matches this week.
It is the new way. We have to accept it.
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ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:54 pm
It's legal now so there is nothing to do about it, but it was not only Carlitos or Kudermetova being coached through the entire match. I noticed there were several such matches this week.
It is the new way. We have to accept it.
i will accept it kicking and screaming.
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skatingfan ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:54 pm
It's legal now so there is nothing to do about it, but it was not only Carlitos or Kudermetova being coached through the entire match. I noticed there were several such matches this week.
It is the new way. We have to accept it.
Just to be clear this was always happening - now it's done in such a way that you don't have to spend most of your time at a live match trying to crain you neck to see the signs.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:31 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:11 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:04 pm
I just watched Kudermetova's husband/coach literally talk her through her entire match vs Qinwen to win 3-6, 6-3, 6-4.
#notimpressed
I mean that's fine, but I hope you were posting that about Carlito in Madrid as well.
I didn't but maybe because it was less obvious? Most of the time I'm busy doing other things while I have tennis on mute. Today I just saw Kudermetova's husband/coach working/talking with her during a long bathroom break by Qinwen and then throughout sets 2 & 3. I still thought Qinwen would win it but it wasn't to be.
It was a major talking point during Madrid on social media and Courier even referenced it during one of the broadcasts because it was getting so much attention. Jim and others have posited that JC coaches that consistently all the time but the microphones at Madrid were more sensitive and picking up so much more that it was getting noticed more.
This is the new norm until they decide it's too much and put in more restrictions.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:41 pm
It's raining pretty hard right now.
Bia and Kalinina are in a third set.
Borna about to drop the first set to Marozsan. Chair is stopping the women's match I think. It's pouring.
I'm getting really tired of the management of this tournament.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:56 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:54 pm
It's legal now so there is nothing to do about it, but it was not only Carlitos or Kudermetova being coached through the entire match. I noticed there were several such matches this week.
It is the new way. We have to accept it.
i will accept it kicking and screaming.
I hear you. I will die on this hill - Safina never gets to #1 if not for the introduction of OCC.
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ti-amie Spinopsys
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Tsitsipas and Musetti on court at midnight in Rome. #Tennis just continues to blow its brains out with local scheduling. On a related note. After watching some recent matches it seems Tsitsipas has decided slice backhands just isn’t his thing anymore and is coming over the ball no matter what. Which is producing some eclectic results on anything which bounces high to that side. So rather than work on learning how to master a weakness, he’s just given up. LOL.
by ti-amie There's also a pretty big crowd watching Stefanos vs Musetti.
I love this new thing the Tsitsipas' are doing. Apostolos sitting in the stands looking like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth when we all know damn well what's going on.
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ponchi101 JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 9:13 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:56 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:54 pm
It's legal now so there is nothing to do about it, but it was not only Carlitos or Kudermetova being coached through the entire match. I noticed there were several such matches this week.
It is the new way. We have to accept it.
i will accept it kicking and screaming.
I hear you. I will die on this hill - Safina never gets to #1 if not for the introduction of OCC.
Just to be clear. I say we have to accept it. Doesn't mean I don't hate it.
Ferrero's advice to Carlitos was very comprehensive. Where to serve, where to stand, direction, height. It is a solid advantage against a lower player that can't pay a "quality" coach. You are going against Juan Carlos and Carlos (JC
2 ?)
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nelslus JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:35 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:10 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:06 pm
What would you prefer they say there?
And let Paula have this one. She's been consistently having tough draws since she's not ranked as high and is finally getting through a few.
OH, no anti-Badosa commentary meant. Just wta snark.
I mean, why not go ahead and post "You GO, Girl!!!!" and up the obnoxious comment quotient factor?
Well they didn't do that because it's not 1992...but seriously, that's an acceptable phrase to use on social media. An ordinary way to describe those reaction shots to most, so expected rather than obnoxious.
To me, "all the feels" is just as 1992-ish territory. I had just been explaining that I wasn't snarking on Badosa is all. I find WAY over-used phrases ("cool beans") to be annoying. So, apparently, we can agree to disagree on "all the feels".
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nelslus skatingfan wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 9:06 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:54 pm
It's legal now so there is nothing to do about it, but it was not only Carlitos or Kudermetova being coached through the entire match. I noticed there were several such matches this week.
It is the new way. We have to accept it.
Just to be clear this was always happening - now it's done in such a way that you don't have to spend most of your time at a live match trying to crain you neck to see the signs.
FOR sure. I've mentioned this before....I was at the Mike Bryan/Jack Sock US Open final that they won, near their coaches. The amount of coaching gong on was so beyond ridiculous. One of many, many examples of the coaching that had always been going on.
Nevertheless, I'm in the Kicking & Screaming group. I am all about letting what has always been special about tennis remain. That, you should have to figure out on your own how to win tennis matches. Just because coaching has "always" been going on doesn't mean IMO to go ahead and, rule-wise, condone and encourage this. Plenty of champion players have taken pride on not relying on on-court coaching to win.
But, yup- that train has clearly already left the station. The Tennis Muckety-Mucks ain't gonna care about what we think.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 11:16 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 9:13 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:56 pm
i will accept it kicking and screaming.
I hear you. I will die on this hill - Safina never gets to #1 if not for the introduction of OCC.
Just to be clear. I say we have to accept it. Doesn't mean I don't hate it.
Ferrero's advice to Carlitos was very comprehensive. Where to serve, where to stand, direction, height. It is a solid advantage against a lower player that can't pay a "quality" coach. You are going against Juan Carlos and Carlos (JC
2 ?)
Yes, I'm of the belief that part of the reason Carlito has come on so quickly and completely when he did is due to the coaching changes. The way people applaud his variety and command at this young of an age and all that, I think that's JC more guiding him through those tight windows than him just game planning those on his own. I think he'd get there eventually, but I'm thinking the consistency that he has at an exceptionally high level is not just him, but him and real-time adjustments from JC. A formidable duo.
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Owendonovan 
I don't think most would want all my "feels".
Borna's been pulling rabbits out of his hat, he's looking good, lets hope he stays this way.
by ponchi101 How much of a chance do we give Borna against Stefanos?
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Owendonovan ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 12:41 am
How much of a chance do we give Borna against Stefanos?
50/50 for the win, 75% to take at least a set. (Borna leads their h2h 3-2)
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 12:41 am
How much of a chance do we give Borna against Stefanos?
I'd only say 50/50 because it's on clay. On hard, I go 60/40 or even 70/30 for Coric. Borna troubles Stefanos greatly. Stefanos did beat him after several losses the last time they played, but it was a tight 3rd set so I wouldn't say he's figured him out or anything. Stefanos also isn't playing anyhere near as good as he was down in Australia so we'll see.
by ashkor87 Rybakina vs Swiatek...am eagerly looking forward to it . On a slow court like this I would have said Rybakina would have no chance..but that is what I said at IW roo ..interesting..
by ashkor87 Coaching could also be the reason Alcaraz lost! Messes with your head.i have found it so when I used to call out to my son in a match. Tennis is played a lot with the instincts, not a reasoned brain. The court is no place for thinking...
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dave g Rune over Djokovic 6-2, 4-6, 6-2
So much for ATP predictions for this week.
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ponchi101 dave g wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 2:39 pm
Rune over Djokovic 6-2, 4-6, 6-2
So much for ATP predictions for this week.
Totally.
But I could not care less.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 3:01 am
Rybakina vs Swiatek...am eagerly looking forward to it . On a slow court like this I would have said Rybakina would have no chance..but that is what I said at IW roo ..interesting..
I am changing my tune. Watching Ostapenko, who is also a maniacal hitter of the ball, the only way to make a winner on this slow clay involves creaming the ball.
So, it will be a matter of: will Elena's shots land in?
I do give her a chance. Not a favorite, though.
by ponchi101 If Iga did not like to play at 1 a.m. in Madrid, I wonder how she will like it here in Rome, in the rain.
Because Ruud/Cerundulo will take a while longer.
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ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 7:22 pm
If Iga did not like to play at 1 a.m. in Madrid, I wonder how she will like it here in Rome, in the rain.
Because Ruud/Cerundulo will take a while longer.
I was thinking the same thing. And it's really raining hard.
In a case like this put ego aside and play on the second court. It's not as if the fans are going to hang around to watch you play...
by ponchi101 Ok, we were wrong. It will conclude soon.
Plus the 25 minute break, they should be on court in about 45 minutes.
by ti-amie Thursday, May 18, 2023 Day 11
Center Court Starts At 1:00 Pm
(1) Coco Gauff/Jessica Pegula VS (3) Desirae Krawczyk/Demi Schuurs
Not Before 3:00 Pm
QF
(Q) Yannick Hanfmann VS (3) Daniil Medvedev
Not Before 7:00 PM
(4) Storm Hunter/Elise Mertens VS TBD
Not Before 8:30 Pm
QF
(5) Stefanos Tsitsipas VS (15) Borna Coric
by ti-amie Early in the first set of their match Iga, with Rybakina a40, stopped play to answer her phone, then took it to someone in her entourage to answer whoever it was and went on to win the set 6-2. I give Rybakina credit for dismissing the nonsense and taking the second set 7-6(3) playing a very good tie break.
Iga then took a long MTO and came back with a strapping on her right upper thigh to start the third set.
Has anyone ever seen a player stop play to answer their phone before?
by ti-amie And Swiatek retires at 2 all in the third.
by ponchi101 And the instance in which she seems to have injured herself was not that "dramatic"; no falls, no slips, nothing like that.
One of those injuries that are scary: no contact, and yet she retires.
About the phone incident: truly odd. And no, I can't recall anything like that.
by ashkor87 Both Rybakina and Swiatek can be satisfied with the match...except S needs to recover from the injury..if she had tried to continue, it could have been worse ...
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 4:11 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 3:01 am
Rybakina vs Swiatek...am eagerly looking forward to it . On a slow court like this I would have said Rybakina would have no chance..but that is what I said at IW roo ..interesting..
I am changing my tune. Watching Ostapenko, who is also a maniacal hitter of the ball, the only way to make a winner on this slow clay involves creaming the ball.
So, it will be a matter of: will Elena's shots land in?
I do give her a chance. Not a favorite, though.
Yes, or come to the net and volley...
by ashkor87 The rain seems to have made the conditions slower and heavier...Djokovic says he couldn't hit through the court..
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Owendonovan ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:30 pm
Early in the first set of their match Iga, with Rybakina a40, stopped play to answer her phone, then took it to someone in her entourage to answer whoever it was and went on to win the set 6-2. I give Rybakina credit for dismissing the nonsense and taking the second set 7-6(3) playing a very good tie break.
Iga then took a long MTO and came back with a strapping on her right upper thigh to start the third set.
Has anyone ever seen a player stop play to answer their phone before?
I would think answering your phone (was the ringer was on?) wasn't allowed with or without on court coaching. Now, I wait for some site to proclaim match fixing.
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Owendonovan ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:37 pm
And the instance in which she seems to have injured herself was not that "dramatic"; no falls, no slips, nothing like that.
One of those injuries that are scary: no contact, and yet she retires.
About the phone incident: truly odd. And no, I can't recall anything like that.
There's better money to be made on a deep run in Paris.
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ashkor87 Owendonovan wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 1:41 am
ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:30 pm
Early in the first set of their match Iga, with Rybakina a40, stopped play to answer her phone, then took it to someone in her entourage to answer whoever it was and went on to win the set 6-2. I give Rybakina credit for dismissing the nonsense and taking the second set 7-6(3) playing a very good tie break.
Iga then took a long MTO and came back with a strapping on her right upper thigh to start the third set.
Has anyone ever seen a player stop play to answer their phone before?
I would think answering your phone (was the ringer was on?) wasn't allowed with or without on court coaching. Now, I wait for some site to proclaim match fixing.
yes, hope not but it will happen.. too easy to come up with a scenario.. i think these players have too much to lose so I wouldnt think they would descend into such things - low-ranked players, struggling to get by, might be tempted but not players at this level, one would think..
by ashkor87 now can Rybakina survive Ostapenko? that would be a good match, Rybakina did beat her at the AO but on a much faster surface.. here, it would be much more even..60-40 Rybakina, I would say.
by ponchi101 Agree. I say Rybakina can match Ostapenko's power, and is more consistent (which is quite the statement).
The serves are nowhere near comparison.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 1:09 am
The rain seems to have made the conditions slower and heavier...Djokovic says he couldn't hit through the court..
The court is so slow that players are not getting flecks of dust on the back of their shirts. That means the clay is so clumpy it is not flying.
Yesterday Rybakina played for over two hours and her white sweater was completely clean by the end. That's how slow the clay is.
by mick1303 If Medvedev will continue to play this far back, Tsitsipas will have a field day with him.
by ti-amie Coric and Tsitsipas taking arriving to an almost full house on center court at 9:08p
by ti-amie The team of Bouzkova/Mattek-Sands won their doubles vs Ostapenko/Kichenok.
by ti-amie Friday, May 19, 2023 Day 12
Center Court Starts At 1:00 Pm
SF
Hugo Nys/Jan Zielinski VS Marcel Granollers/Horacio Zeballos
Not Before 3:30 PM
(11) Veronika Kudermetova VS (30) Anhelina Kalinina
Not Before 7:00 PM
(7) Elena Rybakina VS (20) Jelena Ostapenko
Followed By
SF
(1) Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski VS Robin Haase/Botic van de Zandschulp
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ponchi101 mick1303 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 5:35 pm
If Medvedev will continue to play this far back, Tsitsipas will have a field day with him.
Problem is that Tsitsipas has never had a field day Vs Medvedev. H2H 4-7 Medvedev, and they have split their two clay matches.
And it is not as if Medvedev started receiving serve from the parking lot at this tournament.
by jazzyg I don't know who will win the Rybakina-Ostapenko match--I watched all of Ostapenko's quarterfinal and none of Rybakina-Swiatek--but I do believe this. Discounting movement, competitiveness and all kinds of factors that determine tennis greatness, Ostapenko is the purest ball striker in the history of women's tennis. When she is set for a shot and confident, there has never been anyone like her in ability to change direction and be accurate while absolutely crushing the ball.
The X-factor tomorrow will be Rybakina's serve, which can put Ostapenko on the defense right away. Badosa could not ever put Ostapenko on defense and watched her clock 49 beautiful winners. Having said all that, it felt like a 6-2, 6-2 destruction while watching the match, but it went to 6-3 in the third and Badosa was compromised by a balky back at the end. I'd like to believe Ostapenko can dominate Rybakina in the baseline rallies just like she did Badosa, but it will depend on Rybakina's serving and Ostapenko's mental toughness. The difference between the two in that latter department can be the size of the Grand Canyon.
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mick1303 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 7:33 pm
mick1303 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 5:35 pm
If Medvedev will continue to play this far back, Tsitsipas will have a field day with him.
Problem is that Tsitsipas has never had a field day Vs Medvedev. H2H 4-7 Medvedev, and they have split their two clay matches.
And it is not as if Medvedev started receiving serve from the parking lot at this tournament.
Medvedev accumulated the bulk of those victories mostly against immature Tsitsipas. Lately Tsitsipas turned the tables on him, exploiting this return position with timely volleys.
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nelslus jazzyg wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 8:12 pm
I don't know who will win the Rybakina-Ostapenko match--I watched all of Ostapenko's quarterfinal and none of Rybakina-Swiatek--but I do believe this. Discounting movement, competitiveness and all kinds of factors that determine tennis greatness, Ostapenko is the purest ball striker in the history of women's tennis. When she is set for a shot and confident, there has never been anyone like her in ability to change direction and be accurate while absolutely crushing the ball.
The X-factor tomorrow will be Rybakina's serve, which can put Ostapenko on the defense right away. Badosa could not ever put Ostapenko on defense and watched her clock 49 beautiful winners. Having said all that, it felt like a 6-2, 6-2 destruction while watching the match, but it went to 6-3 in the third and Badosa was compromised by a balky back at the end. I'd like to believe Ostapenko can dominate Rybakina in the baseline rallies just like she did Badosa, but it will depend on Rybakina's serving and Ostapenko's mental toughness. The difference between the two in that latter department can be the size of the Grand Canyon.
NO true snark mean towards you. But....this reminds me of when, on a match broadcast, Davenport once stated (with, of course, no bias to be seen here) that, the way Keys hits the ball so hard- if she is playing her absolute best- no one can beat her.
Similarly- and, while there is no way that Ostapenko is the purest ball striker in history BTW- I mean, Serena, Steffi, Monica- she is indeed a glorious ball striker- at her best. (Like Keys can really make the ball go boom-boom at her best). The huge problem is- Ostapenko and Keys have tons of really, REALLY!!!! bad losses in their careers. Plus, Ostapenko remains out of shape (not sure why that is- who knows what is going on with any player). I've seen many matches where Ostapenko looks unbeatable. Until she, yet again, finds a way to lose. If you don't have excellent Plans B, C, etc. within your game options- your best level becomes irrelevant. So, IMO, it really doesn't matter how beautifully you can hit the ball, if you, too often, hit the ball beautifully out.
PS: AS for who will win this SF- damned if I know. I don't trust Rybakina's clay game, for now.
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nelslus mick1303 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 8:48 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 7:33 pm
mick1303 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 5:35 pm
If Medvedev will continue to play this far back, Tsitsipas will have a field day with him.
Problem is that Tsitsipas has never had a field day Vs Medvedev. H2H 4-7 Medvedev, and they have split their two clay matches.
And it is not as if Medvedev started receiving serve from the parking lot at this tournament.
Medvedev accumulated the bulk of those victories mostly against immature Tsitsipas. Lately Tsitsipas turned the tables on him, exploiting this return position with timely volleys.
Not necessarily disagreeing with you. HOWEVER- especially as of late, Tsitsipas just too many times finds ways to lose- especially during pressure matches. Certainly, you'd think he'll beat Medvedev here. However.....
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ponchi101 jazzyg wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 8:12 pm
I don't know who will win the Rybakina-Ostapenko match--I watched all of Ostapenko's quarterfinal and none of Rybakina-Swiatek--but I do believe this. Discounting movement, competitiveness and all kinds of factors that determine tennis greatness, Ostapenko is the purest ball striker in the history of women's tennis. When she is set for a shot and confident, there has never been anyone like her in ability to change direction and be accurate while absolutely crushing the ball.
The X-factor tomorrow will be Rybakina's serve, which can put Ostapenko on the defense right away. Badosa could not ever put Ostapenko on defense and watched her clock 49 beautiful winners. Having said all that, it felt like a 6-2, 6-2 destruction while watching the match, but it went to 6-3 in the third and Badosa was compromised by a balky back at the end. I'd like to believe Ostapenko can dominate Rybakina in the baseline rallies just like she did Badosa, but it will depend on Rybakina's serving and Ostapenko's mental toughness. The difference between the two in that latter department can be the size of the Grand Canyon.
I watched both matches, entirely.
The score for Iga/Elena is a bit misleading. The first set was 6-2, but all first four games went to deuce; it could have easily been 2-2. Iga hit several glorious shots into the corners, which was the slight difference.
Rybakina's BH was as solid as can be; she was going crosscourt with depth and pace. In short, they were bashing the ball and Elena was more than able to stay in the match until she broke back and Iga blinked.
So, who wins? No idea; just like you say. But I say it will hinge on Ostapenko. If she can keep hitting the ball as cleanly as she was against Badosa, we may be in for a glorious match. If she is hitting them a bit out, it could be quick.
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mick1303 nelslus wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 9:06 pm
mick1303 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 8:48 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 7:33 pm
Problem is that Tsitsipas has never had a field day Vs Medvedev. H2H 4-7 Medvedev, and they have split their two clay matches.
And it is not as if Medvedev started receiving serve from the parking lot at this tournament.
Medvedev accumulated the bulk of those victories mostly against immature Tsitsipas. Lately Tsitsipas turned the tables on him, exploiting this return position with timely volleys.
Not necessarily disagreeing with you. HOWEVER- especially as of late, Tsitsipas just too many times finds ways to lose- especially during pressure matches. Certainly, you'd think he'll beat Medvedev here. However.....
I have no doubt that Medvedev is stronger mentally. But technically and tactically his game has flaws that are exploitable. And on clay Tsitsipas is still more comfortable.
by jazzyg I stand by the greatest ball striker in tennis history* comment.
Ostapenko's biggest problem is being out of shape, which exacerbates her mental instability. The highlights they showed of her win over Halep in the Roland Garros final illustrated the dramatic difference from then and now. Yet, she is 3-0 against Swiatek and has proven she can beat anyone while having a lousy serve for the most part, poor shot selection at times and subpar movement. Go back and watch the way Seles hit the ball and compare her again to Ostapenko. The game has changed. They actually have similar games but Ostapenko hits much harder. Graf had a big forehand and a slice backhand. Keys actually hits harder than Ostapenko but is nowhere near as accurate. Serena was a clean ball striker, but it was her movement and her serve that made all the difference.
*i will pretend Ostapenko's 6-2, 6-0 loss to Samsonova in Madrid did not happen.
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meganfernandez jazzyg wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 9:45 pm
Ostapenko's biggest problem is being out of shape, which exacerbates her mental instability.
Thank god someone finally mentioned it. She is overweight, and it must inhibit her in some way. Does anyone ever run her side to side and try to make her winded or at least force her to hit when she is out of position? I get that she is still in decent shape - she's winning matches at the highest level - but surely she would do even better with optimum fitness. I don't understand why a professional athlete would let their fitness slip so much. It's one think they can totally control.
by ashkor87 Maybe but we must allow for differences in body types...TT, Ostapenko et al, may be perfectly fit for all we know..she doesn't seem to run out of breath nor does she decline to chase balls, so I think she is ok...definitely a threat to win on clay...
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mick1303 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:39 am
jazzyg wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 9:45 pm
Ostapenko's biggest problem is being out of shape, which exacerbates her mental instability.
Thank god someone finally mentioned it. She is overweight, and it must inhibit her in some way. Does anyone ever run her side to side and try to make her winded or at least force her to hit when she is out of position? I get that she is still in decent shape - she's winning matches at the highest level - but surely she would do even better with optimum fitness. I don't understand why a professional athlete would let their fitness slip so much. It's one think they can totally control.
If she loses weight she might gain more endurance, but may also lose a bit of weight on her "punches" (using boxing analogy). And looking at her mentality she'd definitely prefers KOs over decisions ))
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 4:28 am
Maybe but we must allow for differences in body types...TT, Ostapenko et al, may be perfectly fit for all we know..she doesn't seem to run out of breath nor does she decline to chase balls, so I think she is ok...definitely a threat to win on clay...
I think even allowing for body type, she is carrying quite a bit of extra weight. It's objective truth that she is winning matches at her current fitness level, but I have a hard time believing that better fitness wouldn't help her overall. She was still hitting pretty hard when she was fitter.
by ashkor87 Kalinina ! Don't know much about her...about to enter the finals here...
by ponchi101 Starting with her service game to win the match, Kalinina lost 12 straight points to lose the set.
That was sad.
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3mlm ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 3:40 pm
Starting with her service game to win the match, Kalinina lost 12 straight points to lose the set.
That was sad.
Fleeting sadness, followed by the thrill of victory: 7-5, 5-7, 6-2.
by ti-amie They're insisting that the Ostapenko/Rybakina match is in a "rain delay". TC is replaying Kalinina vs Kudermetova right now.
by ponchi101 It was an impressive turnaround. I thought she would crumble.
by ti-amie Saturday, May 20, 2023 Day 13
Center Court Starts At 1:00 Pm
SF
(7) Holger Rune VS (4) Casper Ruud
Followed By
SF
(3) Daniil Medvedev VS (5) Stefanos Tsitsipas
Not Before 7:00 PM
F
(7) Elena Rybakina VS (30) Anhelina Kalinina
Followed By
(1) Coco Gauff/Jessica Pegula VS (4) Storm Hunter/Elise Mertens
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@WTA Yea it looks like Ostapenko said something to Rybakina after she (Penko) walked past the chair. Rybakina shook hands with the ChUmp and pointed ChUmp to Ostapenko and said "please" #tennis #wta
by ti-amie Real video
Can't quite hear what she says
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ti-amie Ostapenko did not want play stopped the first time and was at one point refusing to leave the court.
Fans say this happened too.
Vukov said before that Jelena called Elena a f***ing b**ch during the earlier rain delay so Elena really put her in her place there.
by ponchi101 Alona flies under the radar a lot, but she does get into a few quarrels a year. Nothing major so far but... sometimes it seems funny.
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Owendonovan meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:46 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 4:28 am
Maybe but we must allow for differences in body types...TT, Ostapenko et al, may be perfectly fit for all we know..she doesn't seem to run out of breath nor does she decline to chase balls, so I think she is ok...definitely a threat to win on clay...
I think even allowing for body type, she is carrying quite a bit of extra weight. It's objective truth that she is winning matches at her current fitness level, but I have a hard time believing that better fitness wouldn't help her overall. She was still hitting pretty hard when she was fitter.
Certainly hasn't made a single kit look good on her.
by ponchi101 If body mass (let's call it that) resulted directly in players hitting the ball harder, Iga would not be #1, Pavs would have broken records, and Sharapova would have never made it past the challenger circuit.
I think that idea needs to be thought all over again.
by Owendonovan If I compare Townsend to Ostapenko, I find to Taylor to be more athletic.
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ashkor87 Owendonovan wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2023 3:48 am
If I compare Townsend to Ostapenko, I find to Taylor to be more athletic.
No question. But that doesn't settle anything
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mick1303 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2023 3:06 am
If body mass (let's call it that) resulted directly in players hitting the ball harder, Iga would not be #1, Pavs would have broken records, and Sharapova would have never made it past the challenger circuit.
I think that idea needs to be thought all over again.
Obviously this is not that straightforward. But in certain situations (i.e. the player is not rushed and has enough time to set up) the extra body mass may result in generating more power. This is a question of balancing the power vs mobility/endurance.
by ashkor87 I wonder how much this tournament will tell us about the French Open..from the YouTube videos, the rain seems to have made the clay settle a bit, making it less slippery, more like a hard court..the likes of Medvedev and Rybakina will thrive on it...
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mick1303 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2023 7:55 am
I wonder how much this tournament will tell us about the French Open..from the YouTube videos, the rain seems to have made the clay settle a bit, making it less slippery, more like a hard court..the likes of Medvedev and Rybakina will thrive on it...
The movement even on wet clay is still drastically different from hardcourt. Also there is no guarantee that it will be dry in Paris. Therefore Rome again is more relevant to RG results than Madrid.
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mick1303 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2023 7:55 am
I wonder how much this tournament will tell us about the French Open..from the YouTube videos, the rain seems to have made the clay settle a bit, making it less slippery, more like a hard court..the likes of Medvedev and Rybakina will thrive on it...
Also I'm quite curious what common ground did you find in Medvedev and Rybakina. IMO they are very different. Rybakina is attacking-minded, Medvedev is defensive-minded. The only thing that they seem to have similar is great serve.
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ponchi101 mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2023 7:50 am
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Obviously this is not that straightforward. But in certain situations (i.e. the player is not rushed and has enough time to set up) the extra body mass may result in generating more power. This is a question of balancing the power vs mobility/endurance.
I say that the final speed and power of any shot is given by how fast, and how far forward, that racquet head is moving.
Roger and Nivak are great examples. It never mattered if they were falling backwards, or sideways, or in any other possible direction (I wonder what those would be, but I am hedging here). Their leading hand was always moving forward.
Anyway, Ostapenko has never been in top shape and I don't think that is one of her priorities. She just likes to belt the ball.
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ashkor87 mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2023 1:00 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2023 7:55 am
I wonder how much this tournament will tell us about the French Open..from the YouTube videos, the rain seems to have made the clay settle a bit, making it less slippery, more like a hard court..the likes of Medvedev and Rybakina will thrive on it...
Also I'm quite curious what common ground did you find in Medvedev and Rybakina. IMO they are very different. Rybakina is attacking-minded, Medvedev is defensive-minded. The only thing that they seem to have similar is great serve.
Oh, just the fact that they move better on hard courts than on clay
by ponchi101 By now, Rybakina has made a joke out of my idea that her foot work is not good. She won Wimby, and on grass, poor movers go down, not much anywhere else. Finalist at the Aussie and winner of IW. And she has now reached the finals of a major clay court event.
I have to change my tune and say her foot work is deceptive.
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mick1303 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2023 3:37 pm
By now, Rybakina has made a joke out of my idea that her foot work is not good. She won Wimby, and on grass, poor movers go down, not much anywhere else. Finalist at the Aussie and winner of IW. And she has now reached the finals of a major clay court event.
I have to change my tune and say her foot work is deceptive.
Or maybe it WAS her weakness, but not anymore.
by ti-amie Rune 6-7(2), 6-4, 6-2 over Ruud.
by ti-amie Medvedev and Stefanos at 4 all first set in a rain delay.
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ponchi101 ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2023 4:37 pm
Rune 6-7(2), 6-4, 6-2 over Ruud.
In a match that Ruud had totally in control. He led 4-2 in the second, had BP (won by Rune on a FH that clipped the line) and then everything vanished.
by ti-amie NOW the players are back on court and the fans cheer.
by ti-amie I hope someone got a pic of Stef's mother talking to him from the stands after he dropped the first set 5-7.
by ponchi101 And the women, specifically the doubles, will get to play at.... 3 am?
by ti-amie I think to the people running things it's more important to get the men's match played than the women's. After all Holger has been tucked in and is probably sound asleep while these two are slogging it out. It'll be interesting to see what happens with the women's matches.
by mick1303 I saw yesterday that SF matches were scheduled simultaneously. But then they changed, which is a pity. Now whoever wins between ST-DM will be at severe disadvantage
by ponchi101 It was not a brutal match, and let's see if they move the WTA final for tomorrow, pushing the ATP final a for a bit later.
It would be a way of doing it.
by ponchi101 What happened to Kalinina?
What a lousy day of tennis for the organizers.
by mick1303 It is worth noting that out of 6 big titles this year Swiatek did not win any, while Sabalenka and Rybakina each won 2.
by ti-amie Sunday, May 21, 2023 Day 14
Center Court Starts At 1:00 Pm
F
Robin Haase/Botic van de Zandschulp VS Hugo Nys/Jan Zielinski
Not Before 4:00 Pm
F
(7) Holger Rune VS (3) Daniil Medvedev
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2023 3:37 pm
By now, Rybakina has made a joke out of my idea that her foot work is not good. She won Wimby, and on grass, poor movers go down, not much anywhere else. Finalist at the Aussie and winner of IW. And she has now reached the finals of a major clay court event.
I have to change my tune and say her foot work is deceptive.
Yes, everything about her is deceptive ..including her easy power..
by ashkor87 Rybakina has been quite lucky in these championships.. her opponents have been injured, one after the other. I saw Kalinina was limping even at 3-2 in the first set, very sad.
of course, not Rybakina's fault but we must not take these matches too seriously, as a pointer to the French.
Her win over Vondrousova was excellent, though..
I still would not make her better than third favorite at RG
by ashkor87 I wonder if Medvedev has a chance now, at RG? I think not..after all, it takes someone like Nadal to follow up the Italian with the French, and Medvedev is not that...
by ponchi101 Is he going to move to being the favorite now? I say no; no need to go there.
But saying that somebody that just won Rome does not have a chance at RG is also a bit extreme. He played his matches, beat some solid competitors, is doing well on clay.
And if you give Rune a chance at RG, how could you not give Medvedev a chance? He just beat Rune; the logical conclusion follows.
by mick1303 Before Rome Medvedev was #9 favorite with bookies for RG. He beat 3 players who were above him: Rune, Tsitsipas and Zverev. And this list included Nadal who obviously shall be discounted now.
by ti-amie A bit of history...
by Owendonovan I expected Saint Holger to take this match because I felt Medvedev was on a bit of a lucky streak on clay. I was wrong.
by ponchi101 Saint Holger had chances. The first set should have gone to a TB. Holger forgot to keep the ball in the court, and a truly lousy drop shot attempt sealed that set.
Then he had leads in the second set, and could not. He really should be holding two MS1000 titles this season, because he also let Monte Carlo escape.
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skatingfan ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 6:06 pm
Is he going to move to being the favorite now? I say no; no need to go there.
But saying that somebody that just won Rome does not have a chance at RG is also a bit extreme. He played his matches, beat some solid competitors, is doing well on clay.
And if you give Rune a chance at RG, how could you not give Medvedev a chance? He just beat Rune; the logical conclusion follows.
Medvedev's win in Rome feels a bit to me like Sampras winning Rome in 1994 - a great result for a player not comfortable on the surface, but more of a career highlight than a preview of future success.
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ashkor87 skatingfan wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 12:54 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 6:06 pm
Is he going to move to being the favorite now? I say no; no need to go there.
But saying that somebody that just won Rome does not have a chance at RG is also a bit extreme. He played his matches, beat some solid competitors, is doing well on clay.
And if you give Rune a chance at RG, how could you not give Medvedev a chance? He just beat Rune; the logical conclusion follows.
Medvedev's win in Rome feels a bit to me like Sampras winning Rome in 1994 - a great result for a player not comfortable on the surface, but more of a career highlight than a preview of future success.
I was thinking the same thing...Few people remember that Sampras won the Italian once..never won anything on clay again...I expect Medvedev to be the same
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mick1303 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 3:26 am
skatingfan wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 12:54 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 6:06 pm
Is he going to move to being the favorite now? I say no; no need to go there.
But saying that somebody that just won Rome does not have a chance at RG is also a bit extreme. He played his matches, beat some solid competitors, is doing well on clay.
And if you give Rune a chance at RG, how could you not give Medvedev a chance? He just beat Rune; the logical conclusion follows.
Medvedev's win in Rome feels a bit to me like Sampras winning Rome in 1994 - a great result for a player not comfortable on the surface, but more of a career highlight than a preview of future success.
I was thinking the same thing...Few people remember that Sampras won the Italian once..never won anything on clay again...I expect Medvedev to be the same
Due to Medvedev's laid back personality he may have more success in unexpected moments. I think he learned his lesson from last year and nowadays is not strongly emotionally invested. But in his case it is not interfering with his ability to put in a necessary work. At least, not yet.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 3:26 am
skatingfan wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 12:54 am
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Medvedev's win in Rome feels a bit to me like Sampras winning Rome in 1994 - a great result for a player not comfortable on the surface, but more of a career highlight than a preview of future success.
I was thinking the same thing...Few people remember that Sampras won the Italian once..never won anything on clay again...I expect Medvedev to be the same
Uhm, not so fast. Sampras won the Davis Cup in 1995 on clay, in the infamous Russian tie in which the Russians soaked the courts so much that the ITF sanctioned them. Actually one of Pete's finest achievements (Courier, playing second string, lost both his matches).
But sure, no other clay court titles.
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ponchi101
Technifibre started (as did Babolat) as only a string manufacturer (hence the name). Daniil is using their RAZOR SOFT strings, which is a new line. So he does make a good point and sales pitch.
It reminds me of a comment by Roddick years ago. He said it was not the racquets; he had been playing with the same Babolat Pure Drive since he was a kid. What was making the difference were the strings, because now you could hit as hard as you wanted and still make the ball come down.
Which was something that Babolat, in the 80's, had as a slogan for their commercials: "The ball NEVER touches your super expensive racquet".
I always tell people that. The $250-racquet with cheap strings will always play worse than the ON-SALE-racquet with a quality string job.
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 3:39 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 3:26 am
skatingfan wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 12:54 am
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Medvedev's win in Rome feels a bit to me like Sampras winning Rome in 1994 - a great result for a player not comfortable on the surface, but more of a career highlight than a preview of future success.
I was thinking the same thing...Few people remember that Sampras won the Italian once..never won anything on clay again...I expect Medvedev to be the same
Uhm, not so fast. Sampras won the Davis Cup in 1995 on clay, in the infamous Russian tie in which the Russians soaked the courts so much that the ITF sanctioned them. Actually one of Pete's finest achievements (Courier, playing second string, lost both his matches).
But sure, no other clay court titles.
True but Davis Cup is always special..Stan Smith had similar heroic feats because DC meant a lot to him..beat Nastase on clay in Romania etc...
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