by ti-amie THE CHAMPIONSHIPS, WIMBLEDON 2023
INTENDED ORDER OF PLAY FOR DAY 13 SATURDAY 15 JULY

CENTRE COURT - 2:00PM

1. Ladies' Singles - Final
Marketa Vondrousova (CZE) v Ons Jabeur (TUN) [6]
2. Gentlemen's Doubles - Final
Wesley Koolhof (NED) / Neal Skupski (GBR) [1] v Marcel Granollers (ESP) / Horacio Zeballos (ARG) [15]

NO.1 COURT - 11:00AM

1. Gentleman's Wheelchair Singles - Semi-Finals
Martin De La Puente (ESP) v Alfie Hewett (GBR) [2]

2. Ladies' Invitation Doubles - Round Robin
Cara Black (ZIM) / Caroline Wozniacki (DEN) v Katie O'Brien (GBR) / Agnieszka Radwanska (POL)

3. Gentleman's Wheelchair Doubles - Final
Alfie Hewett (GBR) / Gordon Reid (GBR) [1] v Takuya Miki (JPN) / Tokito Oda (JPN)

NO.3 COURT - 11:00AM

1. Gentleman's Wheelchair Singles - Semi-Finals
Tokito Oda (JPN) [1] v Gordon Reid (GBR)
2. Ladies' Wheelchair Singles - Final
Diede De Groot (NED) [1] v Jiske Griffioen (NED)
3. Quad Wheelchair Doubles - Final
Sam Schroder (NED) / Niels Vink (NED) [1] v Heath Davidson (AUS) / Robert Shaw (CAN) [2]

4. Gentlemen's Invitation Doubles - Round Robin
Tommy Haas (GER) / Mark Philippoussis (AUS) v Bob Bryan (USA) / Mike Bryan (USA)

COURT 12 - 11:00AM

1. Quad Wheelchair Singles - Semi-Finals
Niels Vink (NED) [1] v Donald Ramphadi (RSA)

2. Gentlemen's Invitation Doubles - Round Robin
Sebastien Grosjean (FRA) / Radek Stepanek (CZE) v Wayne Black (ZIM) / Bruno Soares (BRA)
3. Gentlemen's Invitation Doubles - Round Robin
James Blake (USA) / Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Jamie Delgado (GBR) / Jonathan Marray (GBR)
4. Mixed Invitation Doubles - Round Robin
Thomas Johansson (SWE) / Barbara Schett (AUT) v Andrew Castle (GBR) / Iva Majoli (CRO)

COURT 18 - 11:00AM

1. Mixed Invitation Doubles - Round Robin
Mark Woodforde (AUS) / Martina Navratilova (USA) v Nenad Zimonjic (SRB) / Rennae Stubbs (AUS)
2. Gentlemen's Invitation Doubles - Round Robin
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) / Xavier Malisse (BEL) v Jurgen Melzer (AUT) / Gilles Muller (LUX)
Not Before: 2:30pm
3. Mixed Invitation Doubles - Round Robin
Thomas Enqvist (SWE) / Anne Keothavong (GBR) v Todd Woodbridge (AUS) / Alicia Molik (AUS)
4. Mixed Invitation Doubles - Round Robin
Mansour Bahrami (FRA) / Marion Bartoli (FRA) v Greg Rusedski (GBR) / Conchita Martinez (ESP)

COURT 4 - 11:00AM

1. Boys' Singles - Semi-Finals
Henry Searle (GBR) v Cooper Williams (USA) [4]
2. Girls' Doubles - Semi-Finals
Hannah Klugman (GBR) / Isabelle Lacy (GBR) v Tatum Evans (USA) / Alanis Hamilton (USA)
3. Girls' Doubles - Semi-Finals
Alena Kovackova (CZE) / Laura Samsonova (CZE) v Renata Jamrichova (SVK) / Federica Urgesi (ITA) [2]

Not Before: 2:00pm
4. Girls' 14&U Singles Consolation Play-Offs - First Round
Player 01 TBC v Player 02 TBC
Not Before: 3:00pm
5. Boys' 14&U Singles Consolation Play-Offs - First Round
Player 01 TBC v Player 02 TBC

COURT 5 - 11:00AM

1. Boys' Singles - Semi-Finals
Darwin Blanch (USA) [9] v Yaroslav Demin [5]
2. Boys' Doubles - Semi-Finals
Jakub Filip (CZE) / Gabriele Vulpitta (ITA) v Joao Fonseca (BRA) / Juan Carlos Prado Angelo (BOL) [2]
3. Boys' Doubles - Semi-Finals
Darwin Blanch (USA) / Roy Horovitz (USA) [7] v Branko Djuric (SRB) / Arthur Gea (FRA) [6]

Not Before: 2:00pm
4. Girls' 14&U Singles Consolation Play-Offs - First Round
Player 03 TBC v Player 04 TBC
Not Before: 3:00pm
5. Boys' 14&U Singles Consolation Play-Offs - First Round
Player 03 TBC v Player 04 TBC

COURT 6 - 11:00AM

1. Girls' Singles - Semi-Finals
Renata Jamrichova (SVK) [5] v Clervie Ngounoue (USA) [2]

2. Boys' 14&Under Singles - Round Robin
Vihaan Reddy (IND) [2] v Rhys Lawlor (GBR) [8]
3. Boys' 14&Under Singles - Round Robin
Leo Wright (GBR) v Matei Victor Chelemen (ROU)
Not Before: 2:00pm
4. Girls' 14&U Singles Consolation Play-Offs - First Round
Player 05 TBC v Player 06 TBC
Not Before: 3:00pm
5. Boys' 14&U Singles Consolation Play-Offs - First Round
Player 05 TBC v Player 06 TBC

COURT 7 - 11:00AM

1. Girls' Singles - Semi-Finals
Alina Korneeva [1] v Nikola Bartunkova (CZE)

2. Boys' 14&Under Singles - Round Robin
Lachlan King (AUS) v Emilio Camacho (ECU)
3. Boys' 14&Under Singles - Round Robin
Svit Suljic (SLO) [3] v Izyan Ahmad (USA) [7]
Not Before: 2:00pm
4. Girls' 14&U Singles Consolation Play-Offs - First Round
Player 07 TBC v Player 08 TBC
Not Before: 3:00pm
5. Boys' 14&U Singles Consolation Play-Offs - First Round
Player 07 TBC v Player 08 TBC

COURT 8 - 11:00AM

1. Girls' 14&Under Singles - Round Robin
Hollie Smart (GBR) [4] v Jana Kovackova (CZE) [8]
2. Girls' 14&Under Singles - Round Robin
Edie Griffiths (GBR) v Renee Alame (AUS)
Not Before: 2:00pm
3. Girls' 14&Under Singles - Semi-Finals
TBD v TBD
Not Before: 3:00pm
4. Boys' 14&Under Singles - Semi-Finals
TBD v TBD

COURT 10 - 11:00AM

1. Girls' 14&Under Singles - Round Robin
Sabrina Balderrama (VEN) v Oliwia Sybicka (POL)
2. Girls' 14&Under Singles - Round Robin
Annika Penickova (USA) [2] v Dusica Popovski (SRB) [7]
3. Boys' 14&Under Singles - Round Robin
Ryu Kotikula (THA) v Daiki Ando (JPN)
Not Before: 2:00pm
4. Girls' 14&U Singles Consolation Play-Offs - First Round
Player 09 TBC v Player 10 TBC
Not Before: 3:00pm
5. Boys' 14&U Singles Consolation Play-Offs - First Round
Player 09 TBC v Player 10 TBC

COURT 11 - 11:00AM

1. Girls' 14&Under Singles - Round Robin
Veronika Sekerkova (CZE) [3] v Maia Ilinca Burcescu (ROU) [6]
2. Girls' 14&Under Singles - Round Robin
Kristina Penickova (USA) [1] v Luna Vujovic (SRB) [5]
Not Before: 2:00pm
3. Girls' 14&U Singles Consolation Play-Offs - First Round
Player 11 TBC v Player 12 TBC
Not Before: 3:00pm
4. Boys' 14&U Singles Consolation Play-Offs - First Round
Player 11 TBC v Player 12 TBC

COURT 14 - 11:00AM

1. Quad Wheelchair Singles - Semi-Finals
Heath Davidson (AUS) v Sam Schroder (NED) [2]

2. Boys' 14&Under Singles - Round Robin
Mark Ceban (GBR) [1] v Kaan Isik Kosaner (TUR) [5]
Not Before: 2:00pm
3. Girls' 14&Under Singles - Semi-Finals
TBD v TBD
Not Before: 3:00pm
4. Boys' 14&Under Singles - Semi-Finals
TBD v TBD

COURT 15 - 11:00AM

1. Girls' 14&Under Singles - Round Robin
Yeri Hong (KOR) v Mora Carrocera (ARG)
2. Girls' 14&Under Singles - Round Robin
Jizelle Sibai (AUS) v Siyoen Sim (KOR)

COURT 17 - 11:00AM

1. Ladies' Invitation Doubles - Round Robin
Francesca Schiavone (ITA) / Roberta Vinci (ITA) v Andrea Petkovic (GER) / Magdalena Rybarikova (SVK)

2. Boys' 14&Under Singles - Round Robin
Luis Augusto Queiroz Miguel (BRA) v Kensuke Kobayashi (JPN)

TO BE ARRANGED 1 -
Not Before: 5:00pm
1. Ladies' Invitation Doubles - Round Robin
Kim Clijsters (BEL) / Martina Hingis (SUI) v Johanna Konta (GBR) / Sania Mirza (IND)
Not Before: 5:00pm
2. Ladies' Invitation Doubles - Round Robin
Daniela Hantuchova (SVK) / Laura Robson (GBR) v Vania King (USA) / Yaroslava Shvedova (KAZ)

The Committee, while adhering as closely as possible to the order of play given, is unable to guarantee that it will be maintained in
its entirety.
This may result in matches being moved from one court to another. GERRY ARMSTRONG - REFEREE

by ponchi101 Ons in two sets, one of them 7-5 or 7-6.

by ashkor87

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 8:45 pm Ons in two sets, one of them 7-5 or 7-6.

I concur

by ashkor87 This may end up being the least watched W final ever..even I will not be watching...

by ashkor87 Watson says 63% jabeur..oh oh! Danger...Watson has been remarkably consistently WRONG....

by ashkor87 Poor quality first set

by texasniteowl I don't know if it is physical or mental or both, but Jabeur is not displaying much energy. I mean I actually haven't seen a ton of her matches but she seems extremely flat?

by Suliso Seems like Jabeur just doesn't have a champion's mentallity. Performing so poorly in her 3rd GS final on her favorite surface...

by texasniteowl

Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:29 pm Seems like Jabeur just doesn't have a champion's mentallity. Performing so poorly in her 3rd GS final on her favorite surface...

I mean, back to back over Rybakina and Sabalenka may have played a part? But...yeah...

by patrick 2013 revisted as Jabeur took out the heavy hitters but could not close the deal in the finals like Lisicki could not do a decade earlier

by ponchi101 You know I am in disagreement with this "mentality" idea. Jabeur has shown she is a fine player, she has just simply lost important matches. Lendl remains my prime example: his first four finals were losses, and then he became a winner.
Jabeur has not been blown off the court in any of her matches; she has lost them by regular scores, in matches that were winnable by either player.

After saying that:
Marketa Vondrousova, Wimbledon Champion. Anybody saying that earlier in the year would have been put in a straight jacket.

by mick1303

patrick wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:46 pm 2013 revisted as Jabeur took out the heavy hitters but could not close the deal in the finals like Lisicki could not do a decade earlier

I was thinking the same thing. Also add Stosur 2010 Roland Garros, where she cleared the path for Schiavone.

by Suliso Dinara Safina also just lost important matches. Never did win anything big...

by ponchi101 And got to #1. And had a very good career.
My issue with the "champions mentality" argument is that it is self-fulfilling: if you win a slam, you have it, if you don't you don't. But then the circularity kicks in: for you to win a slam you need a champions mentality, but to prove you have a champions mentality you need to win a slam.

Jabeur is a champion. I have yet to see her crumble during a match.

by Suliso Anyway how many more GS titles for Vondrousova?

by nelslus Sometimes, arguments can feel like bending oneself into a pretzel.

I mean, what's complicated to get that, at least for now, Ons has not shown a sufficient champion's mentality? You have to win at least one of the biggest tournaments of your sport to be considered to be....well, a champion.

I haven't watched the whole final yet. But, I mean- both sets, Ons went up a break. I did see almost all of the second set. Ons just had such a down, negative affect, and made way too many simple and really bad errors.

Yes. IMO, Ons crumbled.

Now, Ons, of course, has time. Evert lost her first three Slam singles finals. Ons is more than talented enough to get some Slam wins. She's already had an excellent career. Heck, if shaky-shakes Sabalenka can win a Slam title.....But, who knows?

BTW, I'm currently watching the Doubles Definition of players not having champions' mentalities- Granollers and Zeballos- especially Granollers.

by nelslus

Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:17 pm Anyway how many more GS titles for Vondrousova?

Wild guess.....0. (See: Majoli, Iva.)

by texasniteowl

Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:17 pm Anyway how many more GS titles for Vondrousova?

I'm a little torn on what I think about that. She was injured for so long. I had honestly forgotten she made the RG final years ago. But she is only 24.

Did she have an easier draw than Jabeur? Yes and no. I mean, she beat #12 Kudermetova, #20 Vekic, #32 Bouzkova, and #4 Pegula, then Svitolina. Jabeur had Andreescu, #9 Kvitova, and then #3 Rybakina and #2 Sabalenka.

I haven't watched her play in a long long time, so honestly the SF against Svitolina was the first I'd seen in a while and her game looked so effortless and suited for grass, so it was a surprise when I heard the reminder that she did so well at RG a few years ago.

I'm not sure I see her being a multi-multi-slam winner, but I could see her with at least 1 or 2 more with the right luck. But I could also see her not winning another. But regardless, she can forever say she is a Wimbledon champion.

by ashkor87

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 10:38 am Watson says 63% jabeur..oh oh! Danger...Watson has been remarkably consistently WRONG....

Watson maintains its perfect record!

by ponchi101

nelslus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:19 pm Sometimes, arguments can feel like bending oneself into a pretzel.

I mean, what's complicated to get that, at least for now, Ons has not shown a sufficient champion's mentality? You have to win at least one of the biggest tournaments of your sport to be considered to be....well, a champion.

I haven't watched the whole final yet. But, I mean- both sets, Ons went up a break. I did see almost all of the second set. Ons just had such a down, negative affect, and made way too many simple and really bad errors.

Yes. IMO, Ons crumbled.

Now, Ons, of course, has time. Evert lost her first three Slam singles finals. Ons is more than talented enough to get some Slam wins. She's already had an excellent career. Heck, if shaky-shakes Sabalenka can win a Slam title.....But, who knows?

BTW, I'm currently watching the Doubles Definition of players not having champions' mentalities- Granollers and Zeballos- especially Granollers.

And you are making my point. Sabalenka, to many, will never be a mentally tough player. Regardless of the fact that, slams wise, she has had the best year (W, SF, SF) of all players in the tour. A narrative was set and every time Aryna loses a match, the narrative comes back: she is mentally weak.

by JTContinental But…being mentally weak is almost always the reason when Sabalenka does lose a match. It doesn’t mean that she is always that way, though.

Jabeur is now a modern day Jana Novotna. Maybe the 4th time will be the charm.

by nelslus

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:43 pm

nelslus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:19 pm Sometimes, arguments can feel like bending oneself into a pretzel.

I mean, what's complicated to get that, at least for now, Ons has not shown a sufficient champion's mentality? You have to win at least one of the biggest tournaments of your sport to be considered to be....well, a champion.

I haven't watched the whole final yet. But, I mean- both sets, Ons went up a break. I did see almost all of the second set. Ons just had such a down, negative affect, and made way too many simple and really bad errors.

Yes. IMO, Ons crumbled.

Now, Ons, of course, has time. Evert lost her first three Slam singles finals. Ons is more than talented enough to get some Slam wins. She's already had an excellent career. Heck, if shaky-shakes Sabalenka can win a Slam title.....But, who knows?

BTW, I'm currently watching the Doubles Definition of players not having champions' mentalities- Granollers and Zeballos- especially Granollers.

And you are making my point. Sabalenka, to many, will never be a mentally tough player. Regardless of the fact that, slams wise, she has had the best year (W, SF, SF) of all players in the tour. A narrative was set and every time Aryna loses a match, the narrative comes back: she is mentally weak.

I wasn't in the least making your point. AND- at least one time- Sabalenka showed championship form because....she won a championship.

by jazzyg Jabeur definitely crumbled today, particularly in the 1st set when she could not get a ball in play from 4-2 up untiil she lost it.

That does not mean she will crumble in the future. We will have to wait and see.

by Suliso Champions become champions by winning championships. Hasn't that been true in every sport for time immemorial?

Sabalenka was not one before she won one. Now she has and she is. That simple really.

by Suliso For example, Federer became champion when he won Wimbledon in 2003 not when he beat Sampras two years before.

by mick1303

nelslus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:22 pm

Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:17 pm Anyway how many more GS titles for Vondrousova?

Wild guess.....0. (See: Majoli, Iva.)

This analogy is bad. Majoli's next best result in any slam was R16. For Vondrousova it was 2nd final and on a different surface. She is not a fluke.

by nelslus I think almost everyone can agree that it would be cruel if Jabeur doesn't take at least one Slam title. And, one should then lead to multiple Slam titles. She is so freakin' talented. Albeit, all sports can be very cruel, and remain cruel to some, too (albeit, she's a multi-millionaire, regardless).

To re-state what many have already stated- Ons puts SO much pressure on herself, to be an example for girls in her country, and throughout the world. Which is deeply admirable. But, clearly, it's leading to too much pressure. She'll also have to learn to focus on herself only as exclusively as she can when she's playing at a Slam. They showed her mental coach in the stands- so, this is very smart. I hope that she can fully understand that she already is a great role model. Let yourself win for yourself, first.

(Also- it IS also very cool that Vondroušová is now a Wimbledon champion. Both her and Ons handled the situation beautifully. And, LOL, so much for my thoughts that Vondroušová would be a one-Slam-finalist wonder.)

by nelslus

mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:07 pm

nelslus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:22 pm

Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:17 pm Anyway how many more GS titles for Vondrousova?

Wild guess.....0. (See: Majoli, Iva.)

This analogy is bad. Majoli's next best result in any slam was R16. For Vondrousova it was 2nd final and on a different surface. She is not a fluke.

First, an Iva Majoli analogy is never bad. Which is also why I used the

Next- you are also mistaken. Iva, otherwise, made TWO Slam QF's- at Wimbledon and the Australian Open. And a SF at the WTA Championships. She also won 8 total WTA tournaments, and got to a best world ranking of #4. Very arguably- I was (albeit, unintentionally) doing Vondrousova a favor by using my Majoli analogy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iva_Majoli

IN any case, without first having checked on Iva's results- I still say she'll have her one "lucky" Slam title win, as did Majoli- which was my intended response to Suliso's post. (AND, btw, Majoli beat Hingis in her Slam final.) IF Vondrousova wins more- I am very cool with that. She is a very fun player to watch.

by ponchi101

mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:07 pm

nelslus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:22 pm

Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:17 pm Anyway how many more GS titles for Vondrousova?

Wild guess.....0. (See: Majoli, Iva.)

This analogy is bad. Majoli's next best result in any slam was R16. For Vondrousova it was 2nd final and on a different surface. She is not a fluke.

I say she has as much chance as Rybakina and Sabalenka to win two more. But the field is so even that if she never does, that is also likely.

by skatingfan I could see Vondrousova winning another major - I think she's a Kusnetsova - 4 years from now when no one is expecting it she'll suddenly win another one.

I really hope Jabeur wins one - Lendl, Clijsters, Murray - sometimes it takes a while for a Champion to emerge.

by mick1303

nelslus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:17 pm

mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:07 pm

nelslus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:22 pm

Wild guess.....0. (See: Majoli, Iva.)

This analogy is bad. Majoli's next best result in any slam was R16. For Vondrousova it was 2nd final and on a different surface. She is not a fluke.

First, an Iva Majoli analogy is never bad. Which is also why I used the

Next- you are also mistaken. Iva, otherwise, made TWO Slam QF's- at Wimbledon and the Australian Open. And a SF at the WTA Championships. She also won 8 total WTA tournaments, and got to a best world ranking of #4. Very arguably- I was (albeit, unintentionally) doing Vondrousova a favor by using my Majoli analogy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iva_Majoli

IN any case, without first having checked on Iva's results- I still say she'll have her one "lucky" Slam title win, as did Majoli- which was my intended response to Suliso's post. (AND, btw, Majoli beat Hingis in her Slam final.) IF Vondrousova wins more- I am very cool with that. She is a very fun player to watch.

My bad, I was looking at winners column, without thinking that if she won R16, she should've played QF. But general point stands, even if it is QF, she never reached another semis or finals. Vondrousova did - it was her 2nd final. And she only participated in 13 slams (this Wimbledon is her 14th main draw at a slam.

by JTContinental I count 21 slams on her Wikipedia page

by ti-amie We had a discussion on #tennis #mastodon about whether champions are born or created when talking about this Final. When you talk about Serena, Tiger Woods, Steph Curry, Lebron James, Federer, Nadal, Messi, Christiano Ronaldo and others they walked on the court/course/pitch with the attitude "If you want this beat me because I'm here to beat you."

I think this is a character trait. You can train someone to be very good at a sport. That "extra" comes from within. It's why someone like Jordan could never coach. That extra has to be there from the beginning.

by mick1303

JTContinental wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:49 pm I count 21 slams on her Wikipedia page

You're right, again was making the same mistake - looked only at wins column.

by nelslus

mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:39 pm

nelslus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:17 pm

mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:07 pm

This analogy is bad. Majoli's next best result in any slam was R16. For Vondrousova it was 2nd final and on a different surface. She is not a fluke.

First, an Iva Majoli analogy is never bad. Which is also why I used the

Next- you are also mistaken. Iva, otherwise, made TWO Slam QF's- at Wimbledon and the Australian Open. And a SF at the WTA Championships. She also won 8 total WTA tournaments, and got to a best world ranking of #4. Very arguably- I was (albeit, unintentionally) doing Vondrousova a favor by using my Majoli analogy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iva_Majoli

IN any case, without first having checked on Iva's results- I still say she'll have her one "lucky" Slam title win, as did Majoli- which was my intended response to Suliso's post. (AND, btw, Majoli beat Hingis in her Slam final.) IF Vondrousova wins more- I am very cool with that. She is a very fun player to watch.

My bad, I was looking at winners column, without thinking that if she won R16, she should've played QF. But general point stands, even if it is QF, she never reached another semis or finals. Vondrousova did - it was her 2nd final. And she only participated in 13 slams (this Wimbledon is her 14th main draw at a slam.

LOL, like ponchi stating I had made his point....IMO, for me, your point doesn't stand. I've tried to explain why it turns out not to be a bad analogy. Especially as my bottom line had been, and is, that I believe the two will end up with the same # of Slam titles- and, dare I go there- the same with Ostapenko. HAPPY if Vondrousova and Ostapenko win more than one singles Slam title. (Wouldn't shock me if either- especially Ostapenko- win at least one doubles Slam title).

by nelslus

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:32 pm

mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:07 pm

nelslus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:22 pm

Wild guess.....0. (See: Majoli, Iva.)

This analogy is bad. Majoli's next best result in any slam was R16. For Vondrousova it was 2nd final and on a different surface. She is not a fluke.

I say she has as much chance as Rybakina and Sabalenka to win two more. But the field is so even that if she never does, that is also likely.

I especially view Rybakina as a better candidate for multiple Slam titles, health permitting. Although, this year, this does not look like a done deal. IN any case, let's get ready for a US Open win for Lauren "Bad Analogy" Davis.

by ashkor87 Also remember that only genuine tier 1 players can win Wimby..it is unique to W that, in recent times, W champions have already won a major, or will win another, in their career..only Bartoli is a one-time champion..Rybakina has many years to go..so yes, history says Vondrousova will win at least one more major...

by ponchi101 Novotna, Conchita, Stich, Cash, Goran, Bartoli (you mentioned her).
I agree with your idea, but the list is not empty (one time Wimby champs that never won another slam anywhere else). Marketa and Elena are both 24, so they can be grouped. And the stats are very similar: one slam, one other slam final.
To me is the same: the evenness in the WTA is so extreme that winning ANY major is so hard. I know you don't agree with my idea that OTHER is always there but, we are still pending one slam and we already have two new slam winners. We may be looking at Mugu's by the end of the decade: two slams, two more RU's.

by ashkor87

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:51 am Novotna, Conchita, Stich, Cash, Goran, Bartoli (you mentioned her).
I agree with your idea, but the list is not empty (one time Wimby champs that never won another slam anywhere else). Marketa and Elena are both 24, so they can be grouped. And the stats are very similar: one slam, one other slam final.
To me is the same: the evenness in the WTA is so extreme that winning ANY major is so hard. I know you don't agree with my idea that OTHER is always there but, we are still pending one slam and we already have two new slam winners. We may be looking at Mugu's by the end of the decade: two slams, two more RU's.

I meant women only. And Concita/Novotna were a long time ago..previous century! hence my 'recent times' qualifier

by ashkor87

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:51 am Novotna, Conchita, Stich, Cash, Goran, Bartoli (you mentioned her).
I agree with your idea, but the list is not empty (one time Wimby champs that never won another slam anywhere else). Marketa and Elena are both 24, so they can be grouped. And the stats are very similar: one slam, one other slam final.
To me is the same: the evenness in the WTA is so extreme that winning ANY major is so hard. I know you don't agree with my idea that OTHER is always there but, we are still pending one slam and we already have two new slam winners. We may be looking at Mugu's by the end of the decade: two slams, two more RU's.

BTW this statement of mine does Not apply to aby other slam..my point is it takes class to win Wimbledon..other majors can possibly be won by some 'other'

by ashkor87 Meanwhile another big upset yesterday.. Australian and French Open junior champ Korneeva lost in the semis!

by mick1303 Rybakina with 68.5 and Sabalenka with 68.6 career win-loss percentages have IMO significantly higher chances to add more hardware than Vondrousova. They also both have multiple Tier I titles, while Vondrousova has only one 250. Unlike ATP, where slams stand out with their best of five format, WTA slams IMO are less distinctive from regular tour events, and success rate has more correlation between slams and other events. Nonetheless, there is such thing as "big match player", who tends to over-perform on big occasions. Vondrousova may turn out to be just that.