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ti-amie From a s/reddit. The poster is 100% correct.
USO prices this year are outrageous & scalpers have complete control of the event
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I’ve attended the USO 10+ times. Unfortunately, this tournament‘s fan experience has gone downhill.
Sheeesh. $152 (before fees) grounds pass. $230 before fees for nosebleeds in Ashe. $350+ for any worthwhile seats in Ashe that provide an experience you can actually watch the tennis.
All lower bowl for Armstrong are already sold out it seems? 70% of the tickets are marked for resale already. The scalpers have won at this event and it’s not a good look. It appears the USO is selling tickets on the upper level of Armstrong that previously were GA seats too - for $230 (before fees).
Kind of shocking how downhill the fan experience has gone with this tournament. I miss the days of the old Armstrong and grandstand. Constant packed matches on these courts where anybody with a groundspass could get a good spot. The fan experience at the USO is so lousy compared to what it used to be.
by ponchi101 Of all the slams, the one I want to go the least.
And after that post, even less.
by ti-amie It's disgusting what the USTA has done to what was a great fan opportunity by monetizing Qualfying. It was a great time to wander the grounds, see the up and comers, and visit the practice courts to see top ten and 20 players.
I used to go when you had to bring your own food since the vendors weren't open. Then they figured out that people would pay to eat and the vendors could get a handle on what sold and what didn't. Even the merchandizers got a chance to sell their shirts.
Ticketmaster is being sued for price fixing. It doesn't only happen with Taylor Swift.
by Owendonovan I suppose I'll go if by some chance I know someone with a box I can get into.......
First week night sessions used to be a fun, fairly inexpensive thing to do after work.
by ti-amie Those were the days Owen. Those were the days.
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ponchi101 I think that clip goes in another topic
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 9:49 pm
Of all the slams, the one I want to go the least.
And after that post, even less.
So I guess the Saudi investment isnt't going to trickle down to the fans in the form of reasonable prices?
It's so massively packed that unless you have a seat on Louis or Grandstand for the session or can park on one court (or 4, 5 and 6, where you can see al three), then it can be miserable. Especially if it's hot. On TV last year, the crowds the first week to weekend, cant' remember, looked like a human slide puzzle.
It's so sad the tournament has gotten so expensive. How much is qualifying now? Tennis was getting a foothold with growing popularity, and thie just pushes those people away.
I'm worried the same thing will happen to Cincinnati once Ben Navarro is done with it and more improvements are made. Sometimes you can't even buy a grounds pass - you have to buy the cheapest reserved seat and use it as a grounds pass. If the two stadiums with reserved seating don't sell out, they don't sell a grounds pass. It's still less than $100 for one of those seats early and mid week, but you should be able to go early for $25 or so with a grounds pass. Otherwise families can't afford it.
Is it this hard to get ticktes for Indian Wells? These stories are definitely off-putting. I won't pay hundreds of dollars to attend a tennis tournanment.
by ti-amie For some reason both the ATP site and the WTA site are not posting the Mixed Doubles and Juniors draws. I could be wrong but this is the first time I've seen them not post them. They're also not showing which matches were suspended. Maybe Megan has heard something about the why of this?
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meganfernandez ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:31 pm
For some reason both the ATP site and the WTA site are not posting the Mixed Doubles and Juniors draws. I could be wrong but this is the first time I've seen them not post them. They're also not showing which matches were suspended. Maybe Megan has heard something about the why of this?
I haven't heard anything. I usually et this kind of news from you.
I think you mean RG, though? And the XD and Juniors draws are on the RG website.
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skatingfan ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:31 pm
For some reason both the ATP site and the WTA site are not posting the Mixed Doubles and Juniors draws. I could be wrong but this is the first time I've seen them not post them. They're also not showing which matches were suspended. Maybe Megan has heard something about the why of this?
Is it possible because this tournament doesn't happen for another 3 months? I'm assuming you're talking about the French Open, but I can't say that I generally check the tour sites during the Grand Slams.
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ti-amie skatingfan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:48 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:31 pm
For some reason both the ATP site and the WTA site are not posting the Mixed Doubles and Juniors draws. I could be wrong but this is the first time I've seen them not post them. They're also not showing which matches were suspended. Maybe Megan has heard something about the why of this?
Is it possible because this tournament doesn't happen for another 3 months? I'm assuming you're talking about the French Open, but I can't say that I generally check the tour sites during the Grand Slams.
UGH
Yes this is about the French Open. The US Open is busy pricing out regular folks.
by ti-amie Tournament: US Open
Location: New York, NY, UNITED STATES
Dates: August 26 - September 8, 2024
Level: Grand Slam
Surface: Hard
Seed Name Entry Ranking
1 Iga Swiatek 1
2 Coco Gauff 2
3 Aryna Sabalenka 3
4 Elena Rybakina 4
5 Jasmine Paolini 5
6 Jessica Pegula 6
7 Qinwen Zheng 7
8 Maria Sakkari 8
9 Danielle Collins 9
10 Barbora Krejcikova 10
11 Jelena Ostapenko 11
12 Daria Kasatkina 12
13 Liudmila Samsonova 13
14 Madison Keys 14
15 Emma Navarro 15
16 Ons Jabeur 16
17 Anna Kalinskaya 17
18 Marketa Vondrousova 18
19 Marta Kostyuk 19
20 Victoria Azarenka 20
21 Donna Vekic 21
22 Beatriz Haddad Maia 22
23 Leylah Fernandez 23
24 Caroline Garcia 24
25 Dayana Yastremska 25
26 Linda Noskova 26
27 Ekaterina Alexandrova 27
28 Diana Shnaider 28
29 Yulia Putintseva 29
30 Elina Svitolina 30
31 Mirra Andreeva 31
32 Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova 32
Katie Boulter 33
Elise Mertens 34
Karolina Muchova 35
Xinyu Wang 36
Sorana Cirstea 37
Katerina Siniakova 38
Veronika Kudermetova 39
Yue Yuan 40
Anastasia Potapova 41
Clara Burel 42
Marie Bouzkova 43
Karolina Pliskova 44
Sloane Stephens 45
Elisabetta Cocciaretto 46
Anhelina Kalinina 47
Magda Linette 48
Viktoriya Tomova 49
Lin Zhu 50
Caroline Dolehide 51
Peyton Stearns 52
Lulu Sun 53
Xiyu Wang 54
Sofia Kenin 55
Magdalena Frech 56
Katie Volynets 57
Diane Parry 58
Sara Sorribes Tormo 59
Tatjana Maria 60
Cristina Bucsa 61
Arantxa Rus 62
Clara Tauson 63
Laura Siegemund 64
Paula Badosa 65
Jaqueline Cristian 66
Mayar Sherif 67
Ana Bogdan 68
Moyuka Uchijima 69
Lucia Bronzetti 70
Nadia Podoroska 71
Varvara Gracheva 72
Yafan Wang 73
Anna Blinkova 74
Elina Avanesyan 75
Caroline Wozniacki 76
Martina Trevisan 77
Daria Saville 78
Anna Karolina Schmiedlova 79
Greet Minnen 80
Camila Osorio 81
Bernarda Pera 82
Viktorija Golubic 83
Harriet Dart 84
Ashlyn Krueger 85
Jessica Bouzas Maneiro 86
Taylor Townsend 87
Oceane Dodin 88
Tamara Korpatsch 89
Lesia Tsurenko 90
Brenda Fruhvirtova 91
Erika Andreeva 92
Maria Lourdes Carle 93
Emma Raducanu 94
Jule Niemeier 95
Sara Errani 96
Ajla Tomljanovic 33 (SR)
Shuai Zhang 48 (SR)
Shelby Rogers 51 (SR)
Lauren Davis 59 (SR)
Julia Grabher 73 (SR)
Kateryna Baindl 86 (SR)
Saisai Zheng 89 (SR)
Qiang Wang 94 (SR)
by ti-amie Tournament: US OPEN
Dates: 26 August - 8 September, 2024
Location: New York, NY, USA
Tier: Grand Slam
Surface: Hard
Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Jannik Sinner 1 1
2 Novak Djokovic 2 2
3 Carlos Alcaraz 3 3
4 Alexander Zverev 4 4
5 Daniil Medvedev 5 5
6 Alex de Minaur 6 6
7 Hubert Hurkacz 7 7
8 Andrey Rublev 8 8
9 Casper Ruud 9 9
10 Grigor Dimitrov 10 10
11 Taylor Fritz 11 11
12 Stefanos Tsitsipas 12 12
13 Tommy Paul 13 13
14 Ben Shelton 14 14
15 Ugo Humbert 15 15
16 Lorenzo Musetti 16 16
17 Holger Rune 17 17
18 Felix Auger-Aliassime 18 18
19 Sebastian Baez 19 19
20 Alejandro Tabilo 20 20
21 Karen Khachanov 21 21
22 Sebastian Korda 22 22
23 Nicolas Jarry 23 23
24 Alexander Bublik 24 24
25 Adrian Mannarino 25 25
26 Jack Draper 26 26
27 Tallon Griekspoor 27 27
28 Arthur Fils 28 28
29 Jiri Lehecka 29 29
30 Frances Tiafoe 30 30
31 Gael Monfils 31 31
32 Tomas Martin Etcheverry 32 32
Francisco Cerundolo 33 33
Zhizhen Zhang 34 34
Luciano Darderi 35 35
Mariano Navone 36 36
Jan-Lennard Struff 37 37
Tomas Machac 38 38
Matteo Arnaldi 39 39
Jordan Thompson 40 40
Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 41 41
Cameron Norrie 42 42
Alexei Popyrin 43 43
Giovanni Mpetshi Perricard 44 44
Fabian Marozsan 45 45
Marcos Giron 46 46
Miomir Kecmanovic 47 47
Flavio Cobolli 48 48
Pedro Martinez 49 49
Sebastian Ofner 50 50
Nuno Borges 51 51
Lorenzo Sonego 52 52
Brandon Nakashima 53 53
Roberto Carballes Baena 54 54
Dusan Lajovic 55 55
Alexander Shevchenko 56 56
Laslo Djere 57 57
Daniel Evans 58 58
Jaume Munar 59 59
Pavel Kotov 60 60
Alex Michelsen 61 61
Dominik Koepfer 62 62
Corentin Moutet 63 63
Max Purcell 64 64
Aleksandar Vukic 65 65
Arthur Rinderknech 66 66
Roman Safiullin 67 67
Sumit Nagal 68 68
Federico Coria 69 69
Emil Ruusuvuori 70 70
Daniel Altmaier 71 71
Thiago Seyboth Wild 72 72
Zizou Bergs 73 73
Rinky Hijikata 74 74
Roberto Bautista Agut 75 75
Luca Nardi 76 76
Facundo Diaz Acosta 77 77
James Duckworth 78 78
Jakub Mensik 79 79
Fabio Fognini 80 80
Hugo Gaston 81 81
Matteo Berrettini 82 82
Marton Fucsovics 83 83
Borna Coric 84 84
Thiago Monteiro 85 85
Yoshihito Nishioka 86 86
Botic van de Zandschulp 87 87
Thanasi Kokkinakis 88 88
Juncheng Shang 89 89
Taro Daniel 90 90
Aleksandar Kovacevic 91 91
Arthur Cazaux 92 92
Christopher O'Connell 93 93
Constant Lestienne 94 94
Adam Walton 95 95
Camilo Ugo Carabelli 96 96
Albert Ramos-Vinolas 97 97
David Goffin 98 98
Denis Shapovalov 139 27 (PR)
Dominic Stricker 175 94 (PR)
Rafael Nadal 261 9 (PR)
Soonwoo Kwon 349 80 (PR)
Pablo Carreno Busta 799 18 (PR)
Reilly Opelka 1187 33 (PR)
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1 Mackenzie McDonald 99 99
2 Francisco Comesana 100 100
3 Lloyd Harris 101 101
4 Jozef Kovalik 102 102
5 Alexandre Muller 103 103
6 Luca Van Assche 104 104
7 Stan Wawrinka 105 105
8 Cristian Garin 106 106
9 Borna Gojo 176 106 (PR)
10 Damir Dzumhur 107 107
11 Maximilian Marterer 108 108
12 Aslan Karatsev 109 109
13 Pedro Cachin 110 110
14 Yannick Hanfmann 111 111
15 Vit Kopriva 112 112
16 Zachary Svajda 113 113
17 Jesper de Jong 114 114
18 Valentin Vacherot 115 115
19 Billy Harris 116 116
20 J.J. Wolf 117 117
by ti-amie Michal Samulski
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The 2024 US Open women's and men's singles draw "will be revealed" on Thursday, Aug. 22.
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ti-amie 2024 US Open prize money will be largest purse in tennis history
Wednesday, August 07, 2024
The stars of the ATP and WTA tours will be competing for the largest purse in tennis history at the 2024 US Open. This year's tournament will offer a total of $75 million in player compensation, with the sum representing a 15% increase from 2023.
All rounds played this year in Queens will see an increase in the prize money awarded from last year, which was the 50th year of equal prize money for men and women at the US Open. The men's and women's singles champions will see a 20% bump from $3 million to $3.6 million, while first-round main-draw losers in both men's and women's singles will also pocket $100,000 for the first time—a 23% increase from 12 months ago.
Over the last five years, first-round main draw US Open prize money has increased by 72% ($58,000 in 2019). Prize money for final-round qualifying losers has also increased by 63% ($32,000 in 2019) over that same time period to reach $52,000, which is 16% higher than 2023.
Total prize money for men’s and women’s doubles will increase 9% from 2023, while total prize money for mixed doubles is increasing by 18%.
The full breakdown of US Open player compensation is as follows:
Main Draw Singles
Champion: $3,600,000
Runner-Up: $1,800,000
Semifinalists: $1,000,000
Quarterfinalists: $530,000
Round of 16: $325,000
Round of 32: $215,000
Round of 64: $140,000
Round of 128: $100,000
Main Draw Doubles (per team)
Champions: $750,000
Runners-Up: $375,000
Semifinalists: $190,000
Quarterfinalists: $110,000
Round of 16: $63,000
Round of 32: $40,000
Round of 64: $25,000
Qualifying Singles
Round of 32: $52,000
Round of 64: $38,000
Round of 128: $25,000
Mixed Doubles (per team)
Champions: $200,000
Runners-Up: $100,000
Semifinalists: $50,000
Quarterfinalists: $27,500
Round of 16: $16,500
Round of 32: $10,000
In addition, as there is no US Open Wheelchair Championships presented by Deloitte being staged in 2024 due to the Paralympic Games, the USTA has made the decision to provide the players that would have been entered into the US Open via direct acceptance with a player grant to ensure that these players are receiving the equivalent of prize money as compensation.
https://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/artic ... story.html
by ashkor87 No surprise there . Nadal never really enjoyed the US hard court grind....
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FredX ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 10:32 pm
It's disgusting what the USTA has done to what was a great fan opportunity by monetizing Qualfying. It was a great time to wander the grounds, see the up and comers, and visit the practice courts to see top ten and 20 players.
I used to go when you had to bring your own food since the vendors weren't open. Then they figured out that people would pay to eat and the vendors could get a handle on what sold and what didn't. Even the merchandizers got a chance to sell their shirts.
Ticketmaster is being sued for price fixing. It doesn't only happen with Taylor Swift.
I do miss the old days when the qualifying rounds seemed like a well-kept secret (I saw Murray play the qualies way back when!), but they are still free and you don't HAVE to buy their food or merch, so it's still a great deal.
The regular sessions on the other hand...not so much. The prices are absolutely staggering this year. And no, it's just not as fun...there was nothing like getting up early and fighting for front row seats on a grounds pass at the old Grandstand Stadium. You'd be surrounded by real tennis fans, and I'd see the same people every year. I was fortunate enough to grab a subscription plan for the new Grandstand when those were still available, so getting good seats there isn't a problem for me, but now I'm sitting next to empty seats or rich people...and it's just not the same magic or energy.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 7:42 am
No surprise there . Nadal never really enjoyed the US hard court grind....
Why do you think so? He won it 4 times (his second more successful slam) and he played some amazing matches.
Plus, I know it is almost a formula to say they will miss a tournament, but he did not have to post that he will not play. Simply withdrawing would have made it easier. He did a little extra here.
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 3:02 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 7:42 am
No surprise there . Nadal never really enjoyed the US hard court grind....
Why do you think so? He won it 4 times (his second more successful slam) and he played some amazing matches.
Plus, I know it is almost a formula to say they will miss a tournament, but he did not have to post that he will not play. Simply withdrawing would have made it easier. He did a little extra here.
He has won it 4 times but he has missed it many times too.. i think his knees always bothered him towards the end of the year..other people (gossip) have been less charitable in their hypotheses...
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ti-amie Oleg S.
@AnnaK_4ever
Video Review technology will be available at US Open for all main draw matches on Ashe, Armstrong, Grandstand, Stadium 17, Courts 5, 7, 11 and 12.
Players are allowed 3 video reviews per set (+1 in each tiebreak), however code violations cannot be challenged by players.
Cheryl Y.
@cherylllogic
Can the players watch the video review with the umpire? Cause chances are umpires don’t change their minds that easily and players might think they get cheated?!
Oleg S.
@AnnaK_4ever
No. Players are prohibited from engaging with chair umpires during video review. The video will be displayed on the stadium's screen though so everyone will be able to see what chair umpire sees on his/her tablet.
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ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:37 pm
2024 US Open prize money will be largest purse in tennis history
Wednesday, August 07, 2024
The stars of the ATP and WTA tours will be competing for the largest purse in tennis history at the 2024 US Open. This year's tournament will offer a total of $75 million in player compensation, with the sum representing a 15% increase from 2023.
All rounds played this year in Queens will see an increase in the prize money awarded from last year, which was the 50th year of equal prize money for men and women at the US Open. The men's and women's singles champions will see a 20% bump from $3 million to $3.6 million, while first-round main-draw losers in both men's and women's singles will also pocket $100,000 for the first time—a 23% increase from 12 months ago.
Over the last five years, first-round main draw US Open prize money has increased by 72% ($58,000 in 2019). Prize money for final-round qualifying losers has also increased by 63% ($32,000 in 2019) over that same time period to reach $52,000, which is 16% higher than 2023.
Total prize money for men’s and women’s doubles will increase 9% from 2023, while total prize money for mixed doubles is increasing by 18%.
The full breakdown of US Open player compensation is as follows:
Main Draw Singles
Champion: $3,600,000
Runner-Up: $1,800,000
Semifinalists: $1,000,000
Quarterfinalists: $530,000
Round of 16: $325,000
Round of 32: $215,000
Round of 64: $140,000
Round of 128: $100,000
Main Draw Doubles (per team)
Champions: $750,000
Runners-Up: $375,000
Semifinalists: $190,000
Quarterfinalists: $110,000
Round of 16: $63,000
Round of 32: $40,000
Round of 64: $25,000
Qualifying Singles
Round of 32: $52,000
Round of 64: $38,000
Round of 128: $25,000
Mixed Doubles (per team)
Champions: $200,000
Runners-Up: $100,000
Semifinalists: $50,000
Quarterfinalists: $27,500
Round of 16: $16,500
Round of 32: $10,000
In addition, as there is no US Open Wheelchair Championships presented by Deloitte being staged in 2024 due to the Paralympic Games, the USTA has made the decision to provide the players that would have been entered into the US Open via direct acceptance with a player grant to ensure that these players are receiving the equivalent of prize money as compensation.
https://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/artic ... story.html
by ti-amie I agree with Wertheim.
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mmmm8 ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:37 pm
2024 US Open prize money will be largest purse in tennis history
In addition, as there is no US Open Wheelchair Championships presented by Deloitte being staged in 2024 due to the Paralympic Games, the USTA has made the decision to provide the players that would have been entered into the US Open via direct acceptance with a player grant to ensure that these players are receiving the equivalent of prize money as compensation.
https://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/artic ... story.html
This bit is nice
by ashkor87 The Olympics and its aftermath have really messed up the run-up to the USO! I would ignore form and focus on class -the fundamentals..
So Sinner, Alcaraz, Djokovic, Medvedev will do well, so will the big 4 in the wta and outliers like Osaka, Andreescu, Raducanu.
by ponchi101 Osaka and Andreescu are not doing well in any way. Raducanu is not getting the WC's and therefore she is not playing. She is at the stage in which she may become the "other" Emma.
There is something going on with Sinner. Alcaraz will adjust, but we have to wait and see. Djokovic will come in cold.
Having said that: I don't think that the change in surface will be that tough. It is not as if they are playing on plexiglass. These are hard courts, the truest courts of them all. It should not take that long to get used to them, again.
by ashkor87 I am not worried about Osaka/Raducanu - just a bit unsure about Andreescu..I think they will all be fine by the USO..am a bit concerned about Coco, though..she doesn't seem to have fixed the technical problem with her forehand. Rybakina will soon be well, I imagine - it is just an infection.
Sinner, yes, seems to be not recovered yet but I expect he will be fine in 2 weeks.
by ashkor87 Pegula really played well at Toronto, more convincing even than last year..great volleys, well-timed forays to the net. Not a Pegula fan generally, but impressed with her game on hard courts this year..
by ponchi101 I don't think that whatever is ailing Rybakina is just an infection. It has been lingering too long.
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:31 pm
I don't think that whatever is ailing Rybakina is just an infection. It has been lingering too long.
Sometimes, when your immune system takes a hit, you just get one ailment after another..hopefully that is all it is.. of course, immune systems in general can be hit by depression, stress too...
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ti-amie Former men's champions Thiem, Wawrinka among 2024 US Open wild cards
Wednesday, August 14, 2024
A pair of former champions will be among the eight men's singles wild cards this summer at the 2024 US Open.
Dominic Thiem, the 2020 champ, will make his 10th and final US Open appearance as a wild card, while 2016 winner Stan Wawrinka is also guaranteed a place in the main draw.
In addition to the former titlists, the other six men's singles wild cards announced Wednesday include Americans Christopher Eubanks, Zachary Svajda, Learner Tien and Matthew Forbes, plus France's Alexandre Muller and Australia's Tristan Schoolkate. The names were anounced alongside the women's wild cards, which include former champs Naomi Osaka and Bianca Andreescu.
Thiem, 30, will compete in his farewell US Open four years after winning his first major crown in New York in 2020. The Austrian was not able to defend his US Open title due to a wrist injury that has persisted since 2021. He announced earlier this year that he would retire after the 2024 season, in large part because of the wrist issue.
"I want to tell you a very important, very sad, but also very beautiful message," Thiem said in May. "The 2024 season is going to be my last one. I’m going to finish my career with the end of this season."
Wawrinka is set for his 72nd Grand Slam main-draw appearance, which would make him fifth all-time on the all-time men's singles list behind Roger Federer (81), Feliciano Lopez (81), Novak Djokovic (75, before the US Open) and Richard Gasquet (74 before the US Open).
The 39-year-old Swiss star won his three Grand Slam titles in consecutive years, triumphing at the 2014 Australian Open and 2015 Roland Garros before his 2016 New York crown. The former world No. 3 reached the second round at both Roland Garros and Wimbledon this season and is currently at No. 141 in the ATP rankings.
Eubanks, 28, is currently ranked No. 123. Last summer he reached a career-high ranking of world No. 29 after advancing to the Wimbledon quarterfinals and winning his first ATP Tour title in Mallorca. He reached the semifinals at the ATP 250 event in Newport earlier this summer and recently represented the United States at the Paris Olympics.
Svajda, 21, is currently ranked No. 110, one spot off his career-best ranking of No. 109 achieved in July. In 2023 he qualified for the US Open main draw after receiving wild cards in 2020 and 2021 as the USTA Boys’ 18s national champion. He earned his best US Open result in 2021, reaching the second round where he lost to current world No. 1 Jannik Sinner in five sets.
Tien, 18, is currently ranked a career-best No. 232 and earned his wild card by winning the US Open Wild Card Challenge. This summer Tien won 28 consecutive matches, winning five consecutive tournaments including his first ATP Challenger Tour title at the USTA Pro Circuit event in Bloomfield Hills, Mich. This will be Tien’s third consecutive US Open main draw appearance after receiving a wild card each of the past two years as the USTA Boys’ 18s national champion.
Forbes, 18, will make his Grand Slam debut after winning the singles title at the USTA Boys’ 18s National Championships. The Raleigh, N.C., native will play college tennis at Michigan State in the fall. He won the boys’ 18s doubles title at th
A pair of former champions will be among the eight men's singles wild cards this summer at the 2024 US Open.
Dominic Thiem, the 2020 champ, will make his 10th and final US Open appearance as a wild card, while 2016 winner Stan Wawrinka is also guaranteed a place in the main draw.
In addition to the former titlists, the other six men's singles wild cards announced Wednesday include Americans Christopher Eubanks, Zachary Svajda, Learner Tien and Matthew Forbes, plus France's Alexandre Muller and Australia's Tristan Schoolkate. The names were anounced alongside the women's wild cards, which include former champs Naomi Osaka and Bianca Andreescu.
Thiem, 30, will compete in his farewell US Open four years after winning his first major crown in New York in 2020. The Austrian was not able to defend his US Open title due to a wrist injury that has persisted since 2021. He announced earlier this year that he would retire after the 2024 season, in large part because of the wrist issue.
"I want to tell you a very important, very sad, but also very beautiful message," Thiem said in May. "The 2024 season is going to be my last one. I’m going to finish my career with the end of this season."
Wawrinka is set for his 72nd Grand Slam main-draw appearance, which would make him fifth all-time on the all-time men's singles list behind Roger Federer (81), Feliciano Lopez (81), Novak Djokovic (75, before the US Open) and Richard Gasquet (74 before the US Open).
The 39-year-old Swiss star won his three Grand Slam titles in consecutive years, triumphing at the 2014 Australian Open and 2015 Roland Garros before his 2016 New York crown. The former world No. 3 reached the second round at both Roland Garros and Wimbledon this season and is currently at No. 141 in the ATP rankings.
Eubanks, 28, is currently ranked No. 123. Last summer he reached a career-high ranking of world No. 29 after advancing to the Wimbledon quarterfinals and winning his first ATP Tour title in Mallorca. He reached the semifinals at the ATP 250 event in Newport earlier this summer and recently represented the United States at the Paris Olympics.
Svajda, 21, is currently ranked No. 110, one spot off his career-best ranking of No. 109 achieved in July. In 2023 he qualified for the US Open main draw after receiving wild cards in 2020 and 2021 as the USTA Boys’ 18s national champion. He earned his best US Open result in 2021, reaching the second round where he lost to current world No. 1 Jannik Sinner in five sets.
Tien, 18, is currently ranked a career-best No. 232 and earned his wild card by winning the US Open Wild Card Challenge. This summer Tien won 28 consecutive matches, winning five consecutive tournaments including his first ATP Challenger Tour title at the USTA Pro Circuit event in Bloomfield Hills, Mich. This will be Tien’s third consecutive US Open main draw appearance after receiving a wild card each of the past two years as the USTA Boys’ 18s national champion.
Forbes, 18, will make his Grand Slam debut after winning the singles title at the USTA Boys’ 18s National Championships. The Raleigh, N.C., native will play college tennis at Michigan State in the fall. He won the boys’ 18s doubles title at the 2023 Orange Bowl.
Muller, 27, is currently ranked No. 77 and reached a career high ranking of No. 71 in January. He earned his wild card based on a reciprocal agreement between the USTA and FFT where wild cards between the US Open and Roland Garros are exchanged.
Schoolkate, 23, is currently ranked No. 160 and won his first ATP Challenger Tour title earlier this year. He earned his wild card based on a reciprocal agreement between the USTA and Tennis Australia where wild cards between the US Open and Australian Open are exchanged.
The USTA also announced the American men receiving wild cards into the US Open Qualifying tournament, held Aug. 19-22 at the USTA Billie Jean King National Tennis Center:
Brandon Holt, 26, who has reached three singles finals this year, winning one title; Ethan Quinn, 20, the 2023 NCAA singles champion who reached his first ATP Challenger Tour final in Cleveland in January; Nishesh Basavareddy, 19, the Stanford All-American who reached the final at the ATP Challenger in Bloomfield Hills in July; Kaylan Bigun, 18, the 2024 French Open boys’ singles champion who was ranked as the No. 1 junior in the world as recently as June; Eliot Spizzirri, 22, the two-time ITA National Player of the Year at the University of Texas; Aidan Mayo, 21, who reached the singles final at the ATP Challenger in Charlottesville in October; Bruno Kuzuhara, 20, the former world No. 1 junior; Michael Zheng, 20, the Columbia University junior who was the 2024 NCAA men’s singles runner-up; and Jack Kennedy, 16, the USTA Boys’ 18s national singles runner-up.
https://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/artic ... cards.html
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ti-amie Osaka, Andreescu and Anisimova among US Open wild card recipients
2024 US Open
Former champions Naomi Osaka and Bianca Andreescu, as well as resurgent Amanda Anisimova, are among the eight players who received US Open main-draw wild cards on Wednesday.
Main-draw play at the year's last Grand Slam event starts on Monday, Aug. 26. The wild cards join an already jam-packed field, with top-ranked Iga Swiatek and defending champion Coco Gauff leading the way.
Naomi Osaka: Former World No.1 Osaka won two of her four Grand Slam titles at the US Open, in 2018 and 2020. Overall, the Japanese star has played the US Open main draw seven times, and she has a commanding 22-5 win-loss record in the main draw of the event.
Osaka returned from maternity leave at the start of this season after giving birth to daughter Shai in 2023. The 26-year-old returned to the Top 100 last month and has risen to World No.90 as of this week.
Bianca Andreescu: Andreescu won her first Grand Slam title at the 2019 US Open, becoming the first Canadian player to win a major singles title. That same year, she also won WTA 1000 titles at Indian Wells and her home event of Toronto.
Former World No.4 Andreescu holds a 12-2 main-draw win-loss record at the US Open. The 24-year-old missed last year's edition due to injuries.
Amanda Anisimova: Former Top 25 player Anisimova zoomed back up the rankings after making her first WTA 1000 final at the National Bank Open in Toronto last week. The American defeated four straight Top 20 players in Canada to reach her first singles final since 2022.
The 22-year-old Anisimova took an eight-month hiatus from the sport last year and started this season ranked outside the Top 300, but she is now back inside the Top 50 after Toronto. Her performance in Canada won her this year's USTA's US Open Wild Card Challenge.
McCartney Kessler: American Kessler also received a main-draw wild card and will be making her US Open main-draw debut. The 25-year-old is a former All-American from the University of Florida.
After playing in the main draw at this year's Australian Open and Wimbledon, Kessler won the ITF W100 Challenger event in Landisville, Pa. last week and made her Top 100 debut on Monday.
Iva Jovic: American teen Jovic earned her main-draw wild card by winning the USTA Girls’ 18s National Championships in San Diego last week, and she will make her Grand Slam main-draw debut. The 16-year-old Jovic is a two-time Junior Grand Slam doubles champion.
Alexa Noel: The 21-year-old American Noel will also make her Grand Slam main-draw debut, notching a main-draw wild card by winning this year's NCAA singles championship for the University of Miami. Noel had a solid junior career, reaching the 2019 Junior Wimbledon final.
Chloe Paquet: Paquet received her main-draw wild card through a reciprocal exchange with the French Tennis Federation. The 30-year-old Frenchwoman made a long-awaited Top 100 debut last month. Paquet has played in the main draw at the other three Grand Slams, but this will be her first US Open main-draw appearance.
Taylah Preston: Rising 18-year-old Preston received her main-draw wild card through a reciprocal exchange with Tennis Australia. The teen made her Grand Slam main draw debut on home soil at this year's Australian Open, and she will play the US Open main draw for the first time.
The USTA also announced the American women who received wild cards into the US Open qualifying draw: Clervie Ngounoue, Liv Hovde, Tyra Grant, Akasha Urhobo, Sophie Chang, Mary Stoiana, Kristina Penickova, Julieta Pareja, and Valerie Glozman. US Open qualies will take place Aug. 19-22.
https://www.wtatennis.com/news/4082168/ ... wild-cards
by ponchi101 I am going to make so sure I pick against Paquet for the SP...
(Yes, I am still bitter. Blame it on my inner 7 yo).
by JTContinental Learner Tien is going to be a bigtime player in a few years.
by ti-amie
I disagree and find that this is more of a distraction for the players than anything else. I've waited for changeovers at the US Open many times and didn't find it an inconvenience. People arguing over seats or having trouble finding one lasts a long time.
by mmmm8 That is good news at the outer courts but it's not for the bigger courts. People take FOREVER to get to their sets, so there will be constant movement.
by ti-amie Oleg S.
@AnnaK_4ever
US Open tournament director Stacey Allaster on the surface characteristics this year:
"We aim for the court pace rating to be medium fast. Medium fast, per the ITF, is anywhere from 41 to 44. All 17 courts have been resurfaced. The average CPR right now is 42."
And another interesting remark from Allaster -- on Hawkeye Live:
"It's 98% correct. We do know previously when we used line umpires, the line umpires were 75%. With any technology there could be a few glitches, but we have a lot of confidence in the system."
by ashkor87 The ATP side looks a bit off but generally ok..Alcaraz, Djokovic are probably fine .Medvedev is off the boil, and Sinner seems unwell..but 2 out of 4 is not bad.
The WTA side looks very shaky...the only player who has struck form is Pegula- she is playing with the kind of crisp authority that can win her the USO..
Swiatek has been off ever since the French, Coco and Sabalenka are on an express train to nowhere..only Rybakina playjng well, when she is not sick ..this could be Pegula's year after all..it is that kind of topsy-turvy year ...
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ashkor87 ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2024 1:22 am
Oleg S.
@AnnaK_4ever
US Open tournament director Stacey Allaster on the surface characteristics this year:
"We aim for the court pace rating to be medium fast. Medium fast, per the ITF, is anywhere from 41 to 44. All 17 courts have been resurfaced. The average CPR right now is 42."
And another interesting remark from Allaster -- on Hawkeye Live:
"It's 98% correct. We do know previously when we used line umpires, the line umpires were 75%. With any technology there could be a few glitches, but we have a lot of confidence in the system."
Wow! 42 would make it the fastest of the slams
by ponchi101 About Hawkeye.
If it is not 100%, use both. 25% error times 2% error is 0.5% error. Better than the 98% being spoken about.
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ti-amie Ben Rothenberg
@BenRothenberg
#USOpen main draw wildcards announced:
Women:
Andreescu (
2019)
Anisimova
Jovic
Kessler
Noel
Osaka (
2018, 2020)
Paquet
Preston
Men:
Eubanks
Forbes
Muller
Schoolkate
Z. Svajda
Tien
Thiem (
2020)
Wawrinka (
2016)
by nelslus Qualifying Wild Cards-
Men's- Brandon Holt, Ethan Quinn, Nishesh Basavareddy, Kaylan Bigun, Eliot Spizzirri, Aidan Mayo, Bruno Kuzuhara, Michael Zheng and Jack Kennedy.
Women's- Clervie Ngounoue, Liv Hovde, Tyra Grant, Akasha Urhobo, Sophie Chang, Mary Stoiana, Kristina Penickova, Julieta Pareja, and Valerie Glozman.
I don't know if they will be announcing any qualifying wild cards for non-USA players.
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2024 2:08 am
About Hawkeye.
If it is not 100%, use both. 25% error times 2% error is 0.5% error. Better than the 98% being spoken about.
But what if they make the same kind of mistake? then your calculation doesnt work.
BTW, 42 is pretty fast - historical Cincy rating was 33.6
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2024 6:46 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2024 2:08 am
About Hawkeye.
If it is not 100%, use both. 25% error times 2% error is 0.5% error. Better than the 98% being spoken about.
But what if they make the same kind of mistake? then your calculation doesnt work.
BTW, 42 is pretty fast - historical Cincy rating was 33.6
If they make the same rate of mistake (assuming 98%, which is what is being claimed for Hawkeye):
2% errors by the judges, times 2% errors for hawkeye means that you get a mistake rate of 0.04%. That is one bad call every 2500 calls.
Mind you. The machine makes a call when the ball lands close to the lines, and that is where you can have discrepancies. The line judges make a call on EVERY ball, because they are tacitly making a call on even the clearest ball in (NOT calling the ball out is making a call).
If Hawkeye has a success rate of 98% accuracy, that means it will call two balls wrong during 100 calls. In a sport measured by one or two points of difference per set, that rate can be questioned as "acceptable".
by ashkor87 No, if they get the same kind of call wrong, the error rate would be the lower of the two, namely 2%
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FredX ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2024 3:06 pm
No, if they get the same kind of call wrong, the error rate would be the lower of the two, namely 2%
And if you have both, which do you defer to if there is a discrepency? Seems you would have to defer to Hawkeye given it's overall higher success rate, so I don't see how having both could work.
I do wonder what conditions might contribute to Hawkeye being inaccurate. The technology is predictive based on assumed trajectory - does that mean it's 99.8% accurate in perfect weather, but only say...92% accurate when that hurricane is threatening to blow in? Do certain types of shots and spins lead to more errors?
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2024 3:06 pm
No, if they get the same kind of call wrong, the error rate would be the lower of the two, namely 2%
No.
If the lines person makes the call, and he has a 98% success rate, he will miss 2 out of every 100 calls made.
The player then challenges and Hawkeye comes into play. Hawkeye will then miss 2 out of those 100 CHALLENGES. So, 0.02 X 0.02 gives you the rate of 0.0004.
You cannot assume that the line judge and Hawkeye will make the SAME wrong call, because then it is not a random rate of failure.
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FredX ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2024 5:34 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2024 3:06 pm
No, if they get the same kind of call wrong, the error rate would be the lower of the two, namely 2%
No.
If the lines person makes the call, and he has a 98% success rate, he will miss 2 out of every 100 calls made.
The player then challenges and Hawkeye comes into play. Hawkeye will then miss 2 out of those 100 CHALLENGES. So, 0.02 X 0.02 gives you the rate of 0.0004.
You cannot assume that the line judge and Hawkeye will make the SAME wrong call, because then it is not a random rate of failure.
What do you mean by a random rate of failure? There's no indication that Hawkeye gets 2% of all shots wrong randomly as if it were the margin of error of a random probability sample...I'm sure the 2% it gets wrong are very close calls, the same close calls that lines people would miss. And if Hawkeye gets 2% of all calls wrong, that doesn't mean it will get 2% calls wrong that are disputed by the player and line judge, that percentage would logically be much larger.
by ponchi101 The errors have to be random, or otherwise, it is a system failure. The system, as you say, must be calibrated and it certainly does not make some mistakes that would be flagrant. If, for example, the system were to call 2% of all balls that land squarely in the middle of the back box out, then that would be random, but completely useless.
You are right in that the definition of bad call has to be attached to a measurement of "close call". You have to define such close calls; are they balls that land within 2 mm of a line, be it in or out?
And how they measure the rate of errors by the lines people? Because if they measure those by using Hawkeye, then you have a circularity: the line judges miss 25% of calls when measured by Hawkeye, but the point that we want to know is how good are the line judges Vs Hawkeye, but using Hawkeye to measure them is circular.
by ashkor87 If the USO is going to be played on such fast courts, Rybakina, Sabalenka will not do well...swiatek and gauff are the best movers on the tour, they will do ok ..so will Raducanu and Leylah ...on the men's side, Paul will do better than Fritz, alcaraz and DeMinaur will do well, so will Sinner..
Leylah and Raducanu did so well a couple years ago at the USI because the court was very fast..it was not a fluke
by ashkor87 Andreeva is really improving with every run...she could be a force at the USO...she is quick, her defense is great...
by ashkor87 USOpen probabilities
Sinner 35%
Alcaraz 35
djokovic 25
Field 5
Swiatek 35%
Sabalenka 25
Rybakina 15
Coco 5
Andreeva 5
Pegula 5
Osaka 5
Field 5
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ponchi101 You will never learn
Starting in 2015, the field has won 5 times: Penetta, Sloane, Osaka, Andreescu and Raducanu. It has also placed 3 other finalists (Vinci, Keys and Fernandez).
I know that you don't like the "open to anybody" concept. But the field at 5%, when we so constantly have new winners at slams that are ranked below the top ten (Barbora Krejcikova at W is the latest) is simply not looking at the data.
And...
Not including Paolini, right now, is kind of not looking at the whole picture. RU at the last two slams, and she is playing well in Cincy. I would give her a better chance than Osaka.
Rybakina at 15% is too high.
by ashkor87 Ok, let us agree to disagree..! We shall see in a couple weeks who is right.
by ashkor87 Osaka and Andreescu would have been long shots only for people who didn't follow tennis those years. Andreescu was undefeated on hard courts till then, and Osaka had already won big hard court tournaments earlier.
Re Paolini, I like her a lot -remember, I am the one who said she would be a force at Wimbledon..but I don't give her any chance of actually winning a major, she lacks that indefinable something...
I don't give Krejcikova much chance either, because she needs too much time to hit her shots, and the courts will be fast
It is not data, it is judgement I am calling on.
by skatingfan Osaka, and Andreescu have no form going into the US Open. They will be lucky to make the 3rd round, but happy to be wrong. I just don't see them suddenly pulling it together. It's not their pattern.
by ponchi101 Osaka with a very interesting quote. Roughly, that she feels like her body is not hers.
Must be tough to play tennis with such a feeling.
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ptmcmahon ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 3:14 pm
You will never learn
Starting in 2015, the field has won 5 times: Penetta, Sloane, Osaka, Andreescu and Raducanu. It has also placed 3 other finalists (Vinci, Keys and Fernandez).
I know that you don't like the "open to anybody" concept. But the field at 5%, when we so constantly have new winners at slams that are ranked below the top ten (Barbora Krejcikova at W is the latest) is simply not looking at the data.
Hey now, he used to say 0% some of the time... at least I got him out of that habit
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ashkor87 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 3:59 am
USOpen probabilities
Sinner 35%
Alcaraz 35
djokovic 25
Field 5
Swiatek 35%
Sabalenka 25
Rybakina 15
Coco 5
Andreeva 5
Pegula 5
Osaka 5
Field 5
Now that it has been revealed that the court is going to be quick (42?)
revised probabilities:
Sinner 35%
Alcaraz 35%
Djolovic 20%
Medvedev 5%
Field 5%
Swiatek 25%
Sabalenka 15%
Rybakina 15%
Leylah 15%
Andreeva 10%
Coco 5%
Raducanu 5%
Pegula 5%
Osaka 4%
field 1%
Raducanu and Leylah thrived on the fastest USO court we have yet seen, there is always a chance of a repeat (though not as high as I would hope for!) - that was not a fluke. Gave the field 1% just to evade the usual comments! but it is certainly unusual for 4 players to make up 70% of the probabiity space.
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FredX What did Sabalenka and Rybakina do to find themselves on the same footing as the great Leylah Fernandez? They must be very proud. Well, it gives something for Coco to aspire to
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ashkor87 FredX wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:09 pm
What did Sabalenka and Rybakina do to find themselves on the same footing as the great Leylah Fernandez? They must be very proud. Well, it gives something for Coco to aspire to
Nice sarcasm but what probabilities would you assign them?
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ponchi101 I don't think that it is assigning Aryna and Elena a different probability. I believe it is that you have Leylah too high.
Sure, she is playing well this week and her best result ever has certainly been at the USO. But at 15%, it seems high.
I would still give Osaka a better chance. Naomi has power and size; right now, she is having problems but those pale in comparison with Leylah's performance since her RU finish.
Leylah belongs in the field. And raise the field to 2%, then.
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FredX ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:23 pm
FredX wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:09 pm
What did Sabalenka and Rybakina do to find themselves on the same footing as the great Leylah Fernandez? They must be very proud. Well, it gives something for Coco to aspire to
Nice sarcasm but what probabilities would you assign them?
You must admit, your Fernandez ranking here is bold statement. I wouldn't know how to assign probabilities, particularly given that there's been only one repeat champion in a decade, and half of those champions were ranked outside the top 10, but sure, why not, I'll go with:
Swiatek 20%
Sabalenka 10%
Rybakina 5%
Gauff 5%
Field 60%
by ashkor87 Well, making bold predictions and discussing them, is what this forum is for, isn't it?! Not all it is for..but a good, fun way to talkabouttennis?
And saying 'field' will win is a cop-out..you may as well say 'no opinion'?
by ponchi101 And now I say: No, the field at 60% is too high. This is the USO; this is not Wimby, with a weird surface on which most players don't really know how to play, or RG, on a surface on which EVERYBODY and her cat knows how to play. Or not even the Aussie, very early in the year and with players still coming into form.
Sure, I said that the USO is very wide open, but there is a limit. When Osaka and Andreescu won, they were part of the field but as Ashkor said, they were having good seasons (which turned into great when they won).
I say the spectrum of winners at the USO is the most reduced. Can I see a Paula Badosa breaking through? Sure, she is playing well and has had good success on hards. Can I see a Camila Osorio? No, too much for those players.
by FredX Sure, I will cop to 60% field as being a cop out. (So what is the cut off for "field" anyways)? The Olympics is probably a factor, but it doesn't seem like any one person is particularly surging above the others lately. I would say everyone know how to play hardcourt to higher degree than clay, but I'm not sure if that makes predictions easier or harder. Coco is a great hardcourt player and thrives at the U.S. Open, but she's struggling a little lately and defending a title is difficult task if you're not named Serena. Sabalenka and Swiatek are strong on hard courts, but not dominantly so. Osaka and Andreescu could come in and spoil things or lose in the first round. Pegula, Collins, Madison Keys could create some noise... Svitolina, Kasatkina, Andreeva, Ostapenko...I don't know...seems VERY open to me this year. I don't see a clear handful of favorites.
by ponchi101 I would say that the field is something like any player below the top 16 seeds. And you have to add some players like Osaka, Andreescu and Raducanu, that have won it before.
But it is very vague, I agree.
by JTContinental I give Fernandez, Raducanu, Andreeva, and Osaka a 0% chance of winning the USOpen
by ponchi101 After today's match vs Iga, I will not give Andreeva 0%. She is a dark horse.
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ponchi101 ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 9:33 pm
Wow!
Nike really brainstormed this one, didn't they?
by JTContinental Fair enough, although Swiatek isn’t playing her best tennis right now. It’s been a couple of months since I’ve seen Mirra play, but her shot selection was still woefully lacking then, so winning 7 matches seems unlikely to me.
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ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 10:11 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 9:33 pm
Wow!
Nike really brainstormed this one, didn't they?
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skatingfan ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 10:11 pm
Wow!
Nike really brainstormed this one, didn't they?
I'm sure they spent many hours determining the colour of the swoosh.
by jazzyg To me, Leylah Fernandez is the most overrated player in tennis history, but only by the segment that loves her game.
She gives away so many matches with terrible unforced error patches. And she stands too close to the baseline to be effective against in- form power players. Reminds me in that respect of Garcia without the first serve and Bouchard when she was motivated.
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FredX ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:02 pm
I would say that the field is something like any player below the top 16 seeds. And you have to add some players like Osaka, Andreescu and Raducanu, that have won it before.
But it is very vague, I agree.
Following new "field' guidelines, my revised list:
Swiatek = 20%
Sabalenka = 10%
Rybakina = 5%
Gauff = 5%
Pegula = 4%
Krejcikova = 4%
Ostapenko = 4%
Keys = 4%
Andreeva = 4%
Collins = 3%
Kasatkina = 3%
Navarro = 2%
Svitolina = 2%
Badosa = 2%
Osaka = 2%
Wozniacki = 1%
Azarenka = 0
Raducanu = 0
Stephens = 0
Bianca = 0
Now reduced field = 25%
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:02 pm
I would say that the field is something like any player below the top 16 seeds. And you have to add some players like Osaka, Andreescu and Raducanu, that have won it before.
But it is very vague, I agree.
i would say 'field' is anyone not named explicitly by whoever is making the post..
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ashkor87 jazzyg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:03 pm
To me, Leylah Fernandez is the most overrated player in tennis history, but only by the segment that loves her game.
She gives away so many matches with terrible unforced error patches. And she stands too close to the baseline to be effective against in- form power players. Reminds me in that respect of Garcia without the first serve and Bouchard when she was motivated.
considering her size and strength, she is really very good.. she has capabilities that few people can match - the ability to take the ball early and redirect it, plus her movement at the net and volleying.. she is actually the best in the world at these, I think. Better on a fast court, of course, but then, they say, the USO is going to be fast, so look out for Leylah! she wont win the whole thing but she will do very well.
by jazzyg She does hit some incredible shots, but her style is not sustainable in my view. She was down a set and a break to Yue Yuan in the first round. I watched most of her match against Rybakina, who served for a straight sets win and had double match point before double faulting both of them away for her 15th and 16th double faults through two sets. She choked away that match rather than Leylah winning it. although Fernandez won the next two points with fantastic winners and played a better third set, when Rybakina double faulted only once.
I only caught the very end of her match with Pegula today, but her string of errors in the third-set tiebreak were really bad. That's what I've usually seen from her since her impressive U.S. open run, and she still got crushed by Raducanu in that final.
by ashkor87 But she did get to the finals, beating some great players!
by ponchi101 At a slam, you can get one lucky match. For example, Karen Khachanov would get lucky to draw Fran Cerundolo, who simply can't handle him. You can get lucky with a soft draw, and get to a final fresh.
But you don't win a slam or reach the final just on luck.
I don't like Leylah. Her fist pumping and constant jumping and other quirks bore me to tears. But she is s USO RU. That is not meaningless. She plays well and never quits. But that is the extent of her game.
I would never sit down through an entire with her playing.
by ashkor87 Well, I quite like her feistiness..matter of taste
by Fastbackss After seeing Carlos' kit I proceeded to downgrade him in my personal percentages for the USO
by Suliso Do we increase Sinner's odds even further after his Cincy title?
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ashkor87 ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 12:49 am
good to know.. we shall know after the first day I suppose
by ashkor87 Pegula clearly isnt in the same league as the big 4..and not enough up-side to have a real shot at winning. and Coco hasnt been in such great form lately... so
Swiatek 25%
Sabalenka 20%
Rybakina 15%
Leylah 15%
Andreeva 10%
Coco 5%
Raducanu 5%
Osaka 5%
that is it. Field 0%
by ashkor87 On the Men's side, we may need to upgrade Sinner but Alcaraz has proved again and again that he is a different animal in grand slams..
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 1:45 pm
Pegula clearly isnt in the same league as the big 4..and not enough up-side to have a real shot at winning. and Coco hasnt been in such great form lately... so
Swiatek 25%
Sabalenka 20%
Rybakina 15%
Leylah 15%
Andreeva 10%
Coco 5%
Raducanu 5%
Osaka 5%
that is it. Field 0%
Rybakina is nowhere near at 15%. She is not there physically.
Swiatek has won it before, but not enough to be the top bet.
Raducanu has not played a competitive match in over a month, due to petulance. No way she has more chance than Pegula.
People in the field: Pegula, Krejcikova, Collins, Badosa. No way they have a combined 0%.
Your love for Leylah will take her to 4R.
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Sinner looks like the favorite, but I say Carlitos bounces back well. This is best of five.
And He-that-shan't-be-named will always be a factor.
It seems very difficult to see anybody else.
by ashkor87 Who would you make top bet then? Sabalenka?
by ashkor87 Remember we are talking about chances of winning the whole thing, not doing well .does Badosa have a chance? No. Pegula? No, just not good enough .. Krejcikova maybe but not if the court is fast ..Collins, again, good player but can she win a major? Actually win? No.
Noskova has a nonzero chance, as does Andreeva..they are going to win this one day- has the day come? For Andreeva, it is rapidly approaching, just the way she is getting better and better every day
by Fastbackss "Due to petulance" sounds live a gravestone inscription
by
ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:25 pm
Who would you make top bet then? Sabalenka?
Yes. I say Sabalenka has the higher percentage. I would flip Iga and her.
And I say that Pegula has a higher chance of winning the Open than Raducanu. I agree, most likely she won't, but I have eaten those words so many times in my life that I have cold cuts inscribed with them for my sandwich when I get to munch them.
by ti-amie
I know where this is. She's a brave woman for wading into that scrum.
by ti-amie UPDATED Women's Entry List
US Open, New York, USA Grand Slam
Date: 8/26/2024 Original Cut Off: 96 Ranking Date: 7/15/2024
Draw Size: 128 Direct Acceptances: 104 Wild Cards: 8 Qualifiers: 16 Special Exempts: 0
Main Draw Singles
1 Swiatek, Iga (POL)
2 Gauff, Coco (USA)
3 Sabalenka, Aryna (BLR)
4 Rybakina, Elena (KAZ)
5 Paolini, Jasmine (ITA)
6 Pegula, Jessica (USA)
7 Zheng, Qinwen (CHN)
8 Sakkari, Maria (GRE)
9 Collins, Danielle (USA)
10 Krejcikova, Barbora (CZE)
11 Ostapenko, Jelena (LAT)
12 Kasatkina, Daria (RUS)
13 Samsonova, Liudmila (RUS)
14 Keys, Madison (USA)
15 Navarro, Emma (USA)
16 Jabeur, Ons (TUN)
17 Kalinskaya, Anna (RUS)
18 Vondrousova, Marketa (CZE)
19 Kostyuk, Marta (UKR)
20 Azarenka, Victoria (BLR)
21 Vekic, Donna (CRO)
22 Haddad Maia, Beatriz (BRA)
23 Fernandez, Leylah (CAN)
24 Garcia, Caroline (FRA)
25 Yastremska, Dayana (UKR)
26 Noskova, Linda (CZE)
27 Alexandrova, Ekaterina (RUS)
28 Shnaider, Diana (RUS)
29 Putintseva, Yulia (KAZ)
30 Svitolina, Elina (UKR)
31 Andreeva, Mirra (RUS)
32 Pavlyuchenkova, Anastasia (RUS)
33 Boulter, Katie (GBR)
33 Tomljanovic, Ajla (AUS) SR
34 Mertens, Elise (BEL)
35 Muchova, Karolina (CZE)
36 Wang, Xinyu (CHN)
37 Cirstea, Sorana (ROU)
38 Siniakova, Katerina (CZE)
39 Kudermetova, Veronika (RUS)
40 Yuan, Yue (CHN)
41 Potapova, Anastasia (RUS)
42 Burel, Clara (FRA)
43 Bouzkova, Marie (CZE)
44 Pliskova, Karolina (CZE)
45 Stephens, Sloane (USA)
46 Cocciaretto, Elisabetta (ITA)
47 Kalinina, Anhelina (UKR)
48 Linette, Magda (POL)
48 Zhang, Shuai (CHN) SR
49 Tomova, Viktoriya (BUL)
50 Zhu, Lin (CHN)
51 Dolehide, Caroline (USA)
51 Rogers, Shelby (USA) SR
52 Stearns, Peyton (USA)
53 Sun, Lulu (NZL)
54 Wang, Xiyu (CHN)
55 Kenin, Sofia (USA)
56 Frech, Magdalena (POL)
57 Volynets, Katie (USA)
58 Parry, Diane (FRA)
59 Sorribes Tormo, Sara (ESP)
59 Davis, Lauren (USA) SR
60 Maria, Tatjana (GER)
61 Bucsa, Cristina (ESP)
62 Rus, Arantxa (NED)
63 Tauson, Clara (DEN)
64 Siegemund, Laura (GER)
65 Badosa, Paula (ESP)
66 Cristian, Jaqueline (ROU)
67 Sherif, Mayar (EGY)
68 Bogdan, Ana (ROU)
69 Uchijima, Moyuka (JPN)
70 Bronzetti, Lucia (ITA)
71 Podoroska, Nadia (ARG)
72 Gracheva, Varvara (FRA)
73 Wang, Yafan (CHN)
73 Grabher, Julia (AUT) SR
74 Blinkova, Anna (RUS)
75 Avanesyan, Elina (RUS)
76 Wozniacki, Caroline (DEN)
77 Trevisan, Martina (ITA)
78 Saville, Daria (AUS)
79 Schmiedlova, Anna Karolina (SVK)
80 Minnen, Greet (BEL)
81 Osorio, Camila (COL)
82 Pera, Bernarda (USA)
83 Golubic, Viktorija (SUI)
84 Dart, Harriet (GBR)
85 Krueger, Ashlyn (USA)
86 Bouzas Maneiro, Jessica (ESP)
86 Baindl, Kateryna (UKR) SR
87 Townsend, Taylor (USA)
88 Dodin, Oceane (FRA)
89 Korpatsch, Tamara (GER)
89 Zheng, Saisai (CHN) SR
90 Tsurenko, Lesia (UKR)
91 Fruhvirtova, Brenda (CZE)
92 Andreeva, Erika (RUS)
93 Carle, Maria Lourdes (ARG)
94 Raducanu, Emma (GBR)
94 Wang, Qiang (CHN) SR
95 Niemeier, Jule (GER)
96 Errani, Sara (ITA)
97 Zarazua, Renata (MEX)
98 Bondar, Anna (HUN)
99 Martic, Petra (CRO)
Alternates
100 Hibino, Nao (JPN)
by ti-amie Vondrousova is out due to shoulder surgery.
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ti-amie Djokovic to play US Open R1 Monday, Sinner & Alcaraz compete Tuesday
Order of play still to be released
August 22, 2024
Four-time champion Novak Djokovic will begin his US Open on Monday, while World No. 1 Jannik Sinner and 2022 titlist Carlos Alcaraz will begin their tournament on Tuesday.
The full Monday order of play is still to be made, but Djokovic and the bottom half will compete on Day 1, followed by players in the top half of the draw on Day 2.
In the bottom half of the draw Monday, Djokovic will face a qualifier, fourth seed Alexander Zverev will play Emil Ruusuvuori, sixth seed Andrey Rublev will take on Thiago Seyboth Wild and Casper Ruud will try to advance past a qualifier.
In the top half of the draw Tuesday, Sinner will play Mackenzie McDonald for the fourth time in their Lexus ATP Head2Head series (Sinner leads 3-0), Alcaraz will face a qualifier, former World No. 1 Daniil Medvedev will play Dusan Lajovic and seventh seed Hubert Hurkacz will open against a qualifier.
All matches in the bottom half of the women's singles draw will be played Monday and the top half will compete Tuesday.
No men's doubles or women's doubles will be played until Wednesday.
https://www.atptour.com/en/news/us-open ... 1-schedule
by ashkor87 Again I hear everyone saying the USO will be slightly slower than Cincy ..we shall have to see. Are the qualies being played on the same courts as the tournament itself? If anyone has seen any, they can enlighten us?
by ashkor87 Of course, court speed is at most a 10% factor but it is a factor when the players are so evenly matched . I would expect that, on a fast court, someone like Pegula or Coco would beat Krejcikova, Samsonova..but on a slow court, that may be reversed. Anisimova -QZ is an example of a matchup where boh prefer slower courts, so speed wont be a factor..on the men's side, DeMinaur will be formidable if the court is fast, not so much if it is slower..the big 4 are all equally adept at all speeds, so Medvedev etc will not care much
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skatingfan ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:09 am
Again I hear everyone saying the USO will be slightly slower than Cincy ..we shall have to see. Are the qualies being played on the same courts as the tournament itself? If anyone has seen any, they can enlighten us?
Yes, qualifying took place on the same courts as the tournament.
by ashkor87 Do the courts look fast?
by
skatingfan ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 12:27 pm
Do the courts look fast?
I didn't see the qualifying matches - just followed the results.
by ponchi101 The Open has always been a true court (since it moved to Flushing). The speed has been traditionally suitable for a lot of different styles. Roger's five straight years were good for a fast player, Rafa's 4 were good for a slow player. On the woman's side, Wozniacki never won it, but made a couple of finals, saying that even a totally defensive player can do well. Jabeur's tricky game made the final, Sabalenka's blast-them-all too.
The court is fair. The speed will matter little to most of them.
by ashkor87 I agree the Flushing Meadows courts are the fairest of all .all styles can work..
by ashkor87 Seedings-
#1 ausopen champion
#2 champion of nothing - was uso champ last year
#3 French and Wimbledon champion
Odd, isn't it?
Women's is not so odd..
#1 French Open champion
#2 AusOpen champion
#3 USO champion last year
Only Wimbledon champion not in top 3
by patrick Did that ATP number 2 just win the Olympics?
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ashkor87 patrick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2024 12:35 pm
Did that ATP number 2 just win the Olympics?
It is just that I couldn't fathom how the reigning French and Wimbledon champion is the #3! Most years, he would be #1 by a mile.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2024 4:45 pm
patrick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2024 12:35 pm
Did that ATP number 2 just win the Olympics?
It is just that I couldn't fathom how the reigning French and Wimbledon champion is the #3! Most years, he would be #1 by a mile.
Agree that it is odd.
But Carlitos is showing something that a lot of people define as a champion's mind. Remember his clay court season? I don't, because it was truly awful. And then he won RG. And, during his preparation for W, he lost to Draper at Queens. Which was a bad loss.
So, the RG and W champ has really not done much outside the big tournaments. His other title of the year? IW, another big one.
Maybe he does get a bit less motivated at smaller tournaments. Which is not bad, but lands you as #3 in the rankings, while being a double slam holder.
Odd.
by skatingfan I think we also have to remember that Alcaraz only just turned 21, and it's not surprising that he hasn't had a period of unbeatable play across all tournaments to date in his career. Maybe he never has that kind of a stretch, and remains a big match, big tournament player, but I wouldn't be surprised if he went on a run sometime in the next 3 to 6 years.
by ashkor87 After Monterrey, I would make Noskova a contender..10% perhaps. There is a certain sturdy inevitability about her that I last saw with Andreescu as she marched to her USO triumph...
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ashkor87 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 1:45 pm
Pegula clearly isnt in the same league as the big 4..and not enough up-side to have a real shot at winning. and Coco hasnt been in such great form lately... so
Swiatek 25%
Sabalenka 20%
Rybakina 15%
Leylah 15%
Andreeva 10%
Coco 5%
Raducanu 5%
Osaka 5%
that is it. Field 0%
Updated:
Swiatek 20
sabalenka 20
Leylah 10
Andreeva 10
Noskova 10
Coco 10
Osaka 10
Field 10 including Andreescu, Raducanu etc.
by ponchi101 Moving Noskova as a contender after winning a smaller tournament, the week before a slam, seems like recency bias to me.
For Noskova to win the USO it would mean a 12 match winning streak. I am tempted to use her in 1R in the SP. For a younger player, having to perform at a high level in the next tournament, especially at a slam, is asking for a bit much.
She is in the field.
And you dropped Rybakina out of her 15%. Why? I know she split from the coach but that is a drastic change in odds.
I am still amazed at your trust in Leylah. She lost in the first round in Cleveland, 6-2 in the 3rd, to Ana Bogdan. How can such a player still be given 10% chance of winning a slam?
by ponchi101 One of the most ignored figures in all of sports, not only tennis.
Had she had the slightest amount of money and had not been forced to go pro (and therefore unable to play slams), one has to wonder how many majors she would have won. Easily, 10.
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mmmm8 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 12:16 am
One of the most ignored figures in all of sports, not only tennis.
Had she had the slightest amount of money and had not been forced to go pro (and therefore unable to play slams), one has to wonder how many majors she would have won. Easily, 10.
There were two biographies of Althea GIbson that came out last year
by ashkor87 Rybakina- just oversight. She should remain at 15%
Reduce Osaka to 5 and field to 0..
Noskova, it is just a feeling I have . That she cannot be stopped..astonishing array of weapons...
by ashkor87 Vekic interview I just saw..she also says USO surface is slower than Cincy...she adds 'thank God,'
I do think Cincy is as fast as Beijing and Turin ..faster than any of the majors..I don't know what the rating would be.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 2:25 am
Rybakina- just oversight. She should remain at 15%
Reduce Osaka to 5 and field to 0..
Noskova,
it is just a feeling I have . That she cannot be stopped..astonishing array of weapons...
Ok. That is good enough reason for me.
She is 19. If she is going to be a great champ, this is about the time in which many of the previous greats broke through. Serena, Pete, Steffi, Rafa, etc. Players that simply went out there and hit hard and played better than the competition. Played not with a plan, but with a pattern.
I decided to include her in my THRtNY team. See how many points she gets me at the USO.
by dave g It appears that Ruusuvouri has withdrawn and has been replaced by Marterer.
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 11:30 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 2:25 am
Rybakina- just oversight. She should remain at 15%
Reduce Osaka to 5 and field to 0..
Noskova,
it is just a feeling I have . That she cannot be stopped..astonishing array of weapons...
Ok. That is good enough reason for me.
She is 19. If she is going to be a great champ, this is about the time in which many of the previous greats broke through. Serena, Pete, Steffi, Rafa, etc. Players that simply went out there and hit hard and played better than the competition. Played not with a plan, but with a pattern.
I decided to include her in my THRtNY team. See how many points she gets me at the USO.
yes, we can visit the RBW lounge together then!
by Irena2 Motobass and I bit the bullet and got two seats tonight in Louis Armstrong, not together, but in consecutive rows. Bought at the box office to avoid extra fees, but still over $300 for the night session. Hoping the day matches run long to tuck in some time before the first match starts. We, too, miss the old days of the Quallies when it was about the matches. We did get to see a day and a half of good tennis, and we probably could have gotten away with bringing food because our bag checker was chill, but other people weren't so lucky.
by ashkor87 Watching Anisimova vs Zheng..court doesn't seem all that fast ..certainly slower than Cincy
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mmmm8 Irena2 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 2:53 pm
Motobass and I bit the bullet and got two seats tonight in Louis Armstrong, not together, but in consecutive rows. Bought at the box office to avoid extra fees, but still over $300 for the night session. Hoping the day matches run long to tuck in some time before the first match starts. We, too, miss the old days of the Quallies when it was about the matches. We did get to see a day and a half of good tennis, and we probably could have gotten away with bringing food because our bag checker was chill, but other people weren't so lucky.
I am surprised tickets are still available at the box office!
I've never had an issue bringing food, just liquids.Is this new? I guess I'll find out this week
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mmmm8 ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 3:48 am
It's because they've been selling more sections of Armstrong as paid tickets.
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meganfernandez mmmm8 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:06 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 3:48 am
It's because they've been selling more sections of Armstrong as paid tickets.
Hey, M8! Have you been gone?
How does paid/reserved ticket vs general admission affect attendance? I figured it was because they were selling more grounds passes.
Either way, it sounds miserably crowded to me. Good for tennis, but I'm glad to watch at home especially in the heat.
by
FredX meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:30 pm
mmmm8 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:06 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 3:48 am
It's because they've been selling more sections of Armstrong as paid tickets.
Hey, M8! Have you been gone?
How does paid/reserved ticket vs general admission affect attendance? I figured it was because they were selling more grounds passes.
Either way, it sounds miserably crowded to me. Good for tennis, but I'm glad to watch at home especially in the heat.
Theoretically, I would think for every reserved seat they've added they would take away a grounds pass slot, BUT....
In the past they didn't have GA night passes, so the entire upper bowl of Louis Armstrong (which used to be all GA) was just left over people with day tickets or people who bought night tickets for Ashe and decided to go to Armstrong instead. They are now selling some of those as reserved seats AND selling night grounds passes...so there are indeed more tickets up for sale.
Honestly, I think it makes sense. In the past the upper bowl of Armstrong was pretty empty at night...might as well fill it with people who want to see those matches. I was there last night, great energy and not too crowded (Can't speak for the day session, but will find out Wednesday!). The skyrocketing prices are a real drag, but I have to say that they've done a fantastic job over the past few years in terms of redesigning the grounds and whatever protocols they use with the staff to make it feel less crowded and more streamlined than it used to feel compared to a decade ago even as attendence grows. I arrived right at six and got through the gates in five minutes...ten years ago that alone took a half an hour.
by ashkor87 The women are playing with the regular duty balls, lighter than the extra duty..they fly through the air a bit...magnified the court speed
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mmmm8 FredX wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:27 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:30 pm
mmmm8 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:06 pm
It's because they've been selling more sections of Armstrong as paid tickets.
Hey, M8! Have you been gone?
How does paid/reserved ticket vs general admission affect attendance? I figured it was because they were selling more grounds passes.
Either way, it sounds miserably crowded to me. Good for tennis, but I'm glad to watch at home especially in the heat.
Theoretically, I would think for every reserved seat they've added they would take away a grounds pass slot, BUT....
In the past they didn't have GA night passes, so the entire upper bowl of Louis Armstrong (which used to be all GA) was just left over people with day tickets or people who bought night tickets for Ashe and decided to go to Armstrong instead. They are now selling some of those as reserved seats AND selling night grounds passes...so there are indeed more tickets up for sale.
Honestly, I think it makes sense. In the past the upper bowl of Armstrong was pretty empty at night...might as well fill it with people who want to see those matches. I was there last night, great energy and not too crowded (Can't speak for the day session, but will find out Wednesday!). The skyrocketing prices are a real drag, but I have to say that they've done a fantastic job over the past few years in terms of redesigning the grounds and whatever protocols they use with the staff to make it feel less crowded and more streamlined than it used to feel compared to a decade ago even as attendence grows. I arrived right at six and got through the gates in five minutes...ten years ago that alone took a half an hour.
I didn't even realize there are night groundspasses this year!
I went yesterday too! I got there early and they started letting people in around 5:40. Although last year I think gates opened at 5 for the night session.
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mmmm8 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:30 pm
mmmm8 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:06 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 3:48 am
It's because they've been selling more sections of Armstrong as paid tickets.
Hey, M8! Have you been gone?
How does paid/reserved ticket vs general admission affect attendance? I figured it was because they were selling more grounds passes.
Either way, it sounds miserably crowded to me. Good for tennis, but I'm glad to watch at home especially in the heat.
As FredX suggests, my feel is that they didn't reduce the number of groundspasses and just added the extra paid Armstrong seats.
It was quite crowded last night but didn't feel like "record attendance" crowded to be honest, not quite like on the middle Saturday. But not too far off.
by
ti-amie mmmm8 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:06 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 3:48 am
It's because they've been selling more sections of Armstrong as paid tickets.
UGH
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FredX mmmm8 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 4:53 pm
FredX wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:27 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:30 pm
Hey, M8! Have you been gone?
How does paid/reserved ticket vs general admission affect attendance? I figured it was because they were selling more grounds passes.
Either way, it sounds miserably crowded to me. Good for tennis, but I'm glad to watch at home especially in the heat.
Theoretically, I would think for every reserved seat they've added they would take away a grounds pass slot, BUT....
In the past they didn't have GA night passes, so the entire upper bowl of Louis Armstrong (which used to be all GA) was just left over people with day tickets or people who bought night tickets for Ashe and decided to go to Armstrong instead. They are now selling some of those as reserved seats AND selling night grounds passes...so there are indeed more tickets up for sale.
Honestly, I think it makes sense. In the past the upper bowl of Armstrong was pretty empty at night...might as well fill it with people who want to see those matches. I was there last night, great energy and not too crowded (Can't speak for the day session, but will find out Wednesday!). The skyrocketing prices are a real drag, but I have to say that they've done a fantastic job over the past few years in terms of redesigning the grounds and whatever protocols they use with the staff to make it feel less crowded and more streamlined than it used to feel compared to a decade ago even as attendence grows. I arrived right at six and got through the gates in five minutes...ten years ago that alone took a half an hour.
I didn't even realize there are night groundspasses this year!
I went yesterday too! I got there early and they started letting people in around 5:40. Although last year I think gates opened at 5 for the night session.
They came on sale this past weekend and were sold out for all sessions immediately - no idea how much they were even charging for them!
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 3:34 pm
The women are playing with the regular duty balls, lighter than the extra duty..they fly through the air a bit...magnified the court speed
A quick internet search says that starting in 2023, they are both using the extra duty ball. Are you sure they went back to the regulars? (The women, I mean).
And I never saw that. To me, a heavier ball flies faster because it is heavier and cuts more through the air. My completely unsupported belief (I always liked playing with heavy balls).
by
nelslus ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 8:59 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 3:34 pm
The women are playing with the regular duty balls, lighter than the extra duty..they fly through the air a bit...magnified the court speed
A quick internet search says that starting in 2023, they are both using the extra duty ball. Are you sure they went back to the regulars? (The women, I mean).
And I never saw that. To me, a heavier ball flies faster because it is heavier and cuts more through the air. My completely unsupported belief (I always liked playing with heavy balls).
Yes, I do remember hearing about that the women went back to their regular duty tennis balls. Women and men used the heavier tennis balls last year only. Tennis Channel commentary, if I am remembering this correctly.
by
atlpam nelslus wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:24 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 8:59 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 3:34 pm
The women are playing with the regular duty balls, lighter than the extra duty..they fly through the air a bit...magnified the court speed
A quick internet search says that starting in 2023, they are both using the extra duty ball. Are you sure they went back to the regulars? (The women, I mean).
And I never saw that. To me, a heavier ball flies faster because it is heavier and cuts more through the air. My completely unsupported belief (I always liked playing with heavy balls).
Yes, I do remember hearing about that the women went back to their regular duty tennis balls. Women and men used the heavier tennis balls last year only. Tennis Channel commentary, if I am remembering this correctly.
I heard this reported as well. Women are back using regular duty balls this year.
by Fastbackss Love so many "on the ground" reports from TAT'rs plus Ti posting from "nearby".
by
ti-amie Fastbackss wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 10:52 pm
Love so many "on the ground" reports from TAT'rs plus Ti posting from "nearby".
Thank you! We don't only talk tennis we watch and go to tournaments. It's why I love this site.
by ashkor87 All my faves loding! Except Osaka...noskova, leylah gone, andreescu will lose, I am sure..Raducanu fighting but may not survive.
by
ti-amie What is Harajuku fashion?
The style came about during the early 80s in Tokyo and was named after the Harajuku station in the Shibuya district. It started gaining popularity in the 90s, merging subcultural Japanese and Western styles together, and by the early 2000s, the style transpired all over the world.Jul 21, 2023
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ti-amie I loved it but I knew about the Harajuku fashion aesthetic already.
Now if Penko shows up dressed as her favorite anime character...
by ashkor87 Osaka was very impressive today.. actually, so was Andreescu, just ran out of steam.. Hope Osaka can go far here.. she is a two-time USO champion after all..
by
ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 8:59 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 3:34 pm
The women are playing with the regular duty balls, lighter than the extra duty..they fly through the air a bit...magnified the court speed
A quick internet search says that starting in 2023, they are both using the extra duty ball. Are you sure they went back to the regulars? (The women, I mean).
And I never saw that. To me, a heavier ball flies faster because it is heavier and cuts more through the air. My completely unsupported belief (I always liked playing with heavy balls).
Newton's first law!
by ponchi101 Newton's first law works as you claim in a vacuum. When you factor in friction, it is a different thing.
Accelerating a lighter object indeed takes less energy than a heavier object. But, if you accelerate a heavier object to the same speed, the kinetic energy of the heavier object will be more.
Imagine an extreme. A tennis ball and a cannonball of the same dimensions. IF they start at the same speed, the cannon ball will fly longer because it cuts through the air easier.
I think.
by ti-amie Simon Cambers
@scambers73
Annual reminder that grounds pass tickets at the
@usopen (bought through the website) are disproportionately expensive. Thursday: $160, Friday $224, Saturday $228: At @AustralianOpen they start at A$29 ($20), @Wimbledon = max £30 ($40) and it's about the same at @rolandgarros
At the @AustralianOpen you can get a 1-week ground pass for something like AUD $130
by ponchi101 But we will never have a fans' boycott.
I mean, if people in NYC have that kind of money, so be it. Nobody is forcing you to go, and I gather there are a few more things to do in that city.
by
ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 3:58 pm
Newton's first law works as you claim in a vacuum. When you factor in friction, it is a different thing.
Accelerating a lighter object indeed takes less energy than a heavier object. But, if you accelerate a heavier object to the same speed, the kinetic energy of the heavier object will be more.
Imagine an extreme. A tennis ball and a cannonball of the same dimensions. IF they start at the same speed, the cannon ball will fly longer because it cuts through the air easier.
I think.
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Air friction is a second order effect, quite minor
by
mick1303 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:05 am
Newton's first law works as you claim in a vacuum. When you factor in friction, it is a different thing.
Accelerating a lighter object indeed takes less energy than a heavier object. But, if you accelerate a heavier object to the same speed, the kinetic energy of the heavier object will be more.
Imagine an extreme. A tennis ball and a cannonball of the same dimensions. IF they start at the same speed, the cannon ball will fly longer because it cuts through the air easier.
I think.
Air friction is a second order effect, quite minor
If two objects have the same size, then they have roughly the same air friction (if not account for variation in surface smoothness). If one object is heavier, then the same friction will present a lesser share of influence on its movement.
by ponchi101 You guys are too experienced NOT to have played with a fluffy ball. You can tell how air drag affects a ball clearly then.
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mmmm8 ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:07 pm
Simon Cambers
@scambers73
Annual reminder that grounds pass tickets at the
@usopen (bought through the website) are disproportionately expensive. Thursday: $160, Friday $224, Saturday $228: At @AustralianOpen they start at A$29 ($20), @Wimbledon = max £30 ($40) and it's about the same at @rolandgarros
At the @AustralianOpen you can get a 1-week ground pass for something like AUD $130
My tickets for Saturday for Ashe - which INCORORATE the groudspass access - were $188
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mmmm8 ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:18 pm
I watched her practice yesterday.. it was interesting because instead of (in addition to?) the physio, she has a "mental, movement and mobility coach." I didn't know this as I don't follow players' social media, generally. So I was surprised to see three big dudes and a small woman out with her at the practice court. It was a hitting partner, a "performance coach" - he was leading the hitting practice basically, and then Fissette was kind of hovering around and was chatting to this woman who was taking notes and sometimes talking to Osaka (she also picked up some balls.. takes a village). I looked her up (Simone Elliott) and her background is in dance. Thought it was an interesting approach.
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ti-amie Ben Rothenberg
@BenRothenberg
Putting Shelton-Tiafoe in the day session is a pretty wild choice by the #USOpen for tomorrow’s schedule.
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ti-amie
How to spot a Non NYC resident...
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nelslus
A LOT of folks are gonna be pissed off that they aren't putting Ben and Frances as the night match. AND, Novak should be willing to play whenever- within reason, of course. BUT, oh, well.
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ti-amie nelslus wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:09 pm
A LOT of folks are gonna be pissed off that they aren't putting Ben and Frances as the night match. AND, Novak should be willing to play whenever- within reason, of course. BUT, oh, well.
I agree and they are already pissed about it. I agree that Ben and Frances should be the night match but believe it or not I think this is the first time Sabalenka has played on Ashe so far.
AFAIK* Djokovic never plays anywhere except the Center Court of a tournament. Again, I could be wrong about that.
*As far as I know
by ti-amie
I absolutely love the day kit. The night kit is pedestrian.
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ti-amie Jon Wertheim @jon_wertheim
So many surprising/compelling/tight matches through grounds of @usopen
on this gorgeous day..and in Ashe? Sinner wins 6-4, 6-0, 6-2 and Swiatek up 6-0, 5-1....A phrase you don't often hear: pity the folks in the suites. #USOpen2024
This is why so many buy grounds passes if they're attending the first week. It's also why the situation around prices of grounds passes is infuriating.
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FredX ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:13 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:09 pm
A LOT of folks are gonna be pissed off that they aren't putting Ben and Frances as the night match. AND, Novak should be willing to play whenever- within reason, of course. BUT, oh, well.
I agree and they are already pissed about it. I agree that Ben and Frances should be the night match but believe it or not I think this is the first time Sabalenka has played on Ashe so far.
AFAIK* Djokovic never plays anywhere except the Center Court of a tournament. Again, I could be wrong about that.
*As far as I know
I don't think I tracked that Djokovic never played day matches anymore. Of course he should be on center court, but it's ridiculous that they allow him to dictate the night matches. The funny thing is, I remember there were a couple of years way back when (2011 was one of them) when he requested to play on the old Armstrong stadium for his round of 16 matches. That was when he was in full-on trying to ingratiate himself with the crowd mode...I always figured someone on his PR team told him that's where the real tennis fans were...
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Irena2 mmmm8 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:58 pm
Irena2 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 2:53 pm
Motobass and I bit the bullet and got two seats tonight in Louis Armstrong, not together, but in consecutive rows. Bought at the box office to avoid extra fees, but still over $300 for the night session. Hoping the day matches run long to tuck in some time before the first match starts. We, too, miss the old days of the Quallies when it was about the matches. We did get to see a day and a half of good tennis, and we probably could have gotten away with bringing food because our bag checker was chill, but other people weren't so lucky.
I am surprised tickets are still available at the box office!
I've never had an issue bringing food, just liquids.Is this new? I guess I'll find out this week
It looks like you can bring food! I do remember showing up sometime between 2008 and 2019 and food, a drink, and sprayable sunblock were confiscated before entering the grounds. (I used to go every year starting in 1993 through 2001... never had a problem then.) We brought empty water bottles with us this time - not big ones, they probably held 16 oz. Motobass and I were in in parallel lines to enter during the quallies and his line was moving so slowly. The person in front of him was having a problem with their stuff, so he got in my line - the inspector just passed the bag through without looking. (We brought only one non-backpack cloth bag that was close to meeting the size rules.)
We felt lucky to get a couple of tickets at the box office to the night match the day before, but there were only a handful of tickets left in Armstrong, no grounds passes, no AA day or night, no Grandstand or LA during the day either. Next year we will plan it out well in advance, fingers crossed!
by skatingfan ABC, owner of ESPN, is broadcasting the US Open on the network on Sunday at 3pm. That will almost certainly be the men's match on Arthur Ashe, and it will feature an American vs probably Djokovic. So the Americans are scheduled for a day match tomorrow because they're going to play a day match on Sunday, and the winner won't have to change their schedule.
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FredX skatingfan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:58 am
ABC, owner of ESPN, is broadcasting the US Open on the network on Sunday at 3pm. That will almost certainly be the men's match on Arthur Ashe, and it will feature an American vs probably Djokovic. So the Americans are scheduled for a day match tomorrow because they're going to play a day match on Sunday, and the winner won't have to change their schedule.
But then Djokovic has to change his...so you're saying they're are purposely trying to give Shelton or Tiafoe a better chance against him?
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ti-amie FredX wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:19 am
skatingfan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:58 am
ABC, owner of ESPN, is broadcasting the US Open on the network on Sunday at 3pm. That will almost certainly be the men's match on Arthur Ashe, and it will feature an American vs probably Djokovic. So the Americans are scheduled for a day match tomorrow because they're going to play a day match on Sunday, and the winner won't have to change their schedule.
But then Djokovic has to change his...so you're saying they're are purposely trying to give Shelton or Tiafoe a better chance against him?
Make me out a liar.
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nelslus LOL, I have Open tickets for next Tuesday- Friday. Decided I was not gonna pay over $200 for any individual ticket. So, I decided to skip the REALLY expensive women's final, and I already have a cheap ticket for the Broadway show Stereophonic for a week from this Saturday at 7 p.m. IF I can get my lazy butt up early enough, I will also go to a matinee Broadway show that day. Bless his heart, John got me a TKTS gift card for my birthday or X-mas, so I could pick up a ticket for a matinee Broadway show, and/or see if I can get a matinee lottery ticket.
REALLY extra excited to go now- assuming that Carlos continues his hitting the skids today and/or otherwise losing another pre-SF match, I may end up selling my Friday men's SF ticket....especially if the remaining men's players are Novak and the likes of Novak, Zverev, dull Sinner, Medvedev, etc. AS much as I also love watching doubles....
AND. It does indeed look like Carlos is human. Quite sad if he does lose today. BUT, as a fan, I shall, somehow, HAVE to just live with the memories of his Wimbledon and Roland Garros titles this year. AND his lonely and unloved Silver Medal. Try not to feel too bad for me.
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skatingfan FredX wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:19 am
But then Djokovic has to change his...so you're saying they're are purposely trying to give Shelton or Tiafoe a better chance against him?
I think Djokovic is an after thought to giving the best chance to an American, and they've looking to this schedule since the draw came out.
by ashkor87 Now that we know how the players are doing, and Alcaraz is gone, clearly it is a straight fight between Dinner and Djokovic for the men,'s title . 60 sinner, 40 Djokovic..
On the women's side, it is probably still Swiatek and Sabalenka...while we hope Muchova has a chance, it doesn't really look likely, given the way the two top players are playing .. but maybe 50-50 now between them..?
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FredX skatingfan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 5:08 am
FredX wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:19 am
But then Djokovic has to change his...so you're saying they're are purposely trying to give Shelton or Tiafoe a better chance against him?
I think Djokovic is an after thought to giving the best chance to an American, and they've looking to this schedule since the draw came out.
I don't know. That would mean ABC thinks Shelton or Tiafoe would bring them better ratings going into next week that Djokovic? Maybe, but he's still the greatest player of all time looking for his 25 grand slam, and those guys aren't exactly household names yet. This isn't the Sampras/Agassi era.
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skatingfan FredX wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 12:23 pm
I don't know. That would mean ABC thinks Shelton or Tiafoe would bring them better ratings going into next week that Djokovic? Maybe, but he's still the greatest player of all time looking for his 25 grand slam, and those guys aren't exactly household names yet. This isn't the Sampras/Agassi era.
It's not about the name - it's just that they are American, and that will draw in viewers, or at least I think that's the thought, who are watching TV on Sunday afternoon. Interestingly ABC is airing an episode of the Serena docuseries in the hour before the match.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:15 am
Now that we know how the players are doing, and Alcaraz is gone, clearly it is a straight fight between Dinner and Djokovic for the men,'s title .
60 sinner, 40 Djokovic..
On the women's side, it is probably still Swiatek and Sabalenka...while we hope Muchova has a chance, it doesn't really look likely, given the way the two top players are playing .. but maybe 50-50 now between them..?
Uhm.... Nope. He is still Novak Djokovic, and Jannik Sinner is Jannik Sinner. And the difference is clear.
I say it will be Novak against some poor spring chicken on that side. And the end result will be the expected.
by ashkor87 That outfit Svitolina is wearing is horrible! Ruse too but I thought it was just her .
by ponchi101 I like it. And they both have the shape to strut it.
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Owendonovan nelslus wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:24 am
LOL, I have Open tickets for next Tuesday- Friday. Decided I was not gonna pay over $200 for any individual ticket. So, I decided to skip the REALLY expensive women's final, and I already have a cheap ticket for the Broadway show Stereophonic for a week from this Saturday at 7 p.m. IF I can get my lazy butt up early enough, I will also go to a matinee Broadway show that day. Bless his heart, John got me a TKTS gift card for my birthday or X-mas, so I could pick up a ticket for a matinee Broadway show, and/or see if I can get a matinee lottery ticket.
REALLY extra excited to go now- assuming that Carlos continues his hitting the skids today and/or otherwise losing another pre-SF match, I may end up selling my Friday men's SF ticket....especially if the remaining men's players are Novak and the likes of Novak, Zverev, dull Sinner, Medvedev, etc. AS much as I also love watching doubles....
AND. It does indeed look like Carlos is human. Quite sad if he does lose today. BUT, as a fan, I shall, somehow, HAVE to just live with the memories of his Wimbledon and Roland Garros titles this year. AND his lonely and unloved Silver Medal. Try not to feel too bad for me.
Illinoise (Sufjan Stevens album set in dance)and Cats, the Jellical Ball (Cats as a kind of vogueing ball) are a couple shows I've seen recently that were really good.
by mick1303 Anybody knows what is the deal with female players rolling up one side of the skirt? Is it a fashion statement or serves some utilitarian purpose?
by ponchi101 They are tucking their skirts tighter. But then, Azarenka tucks her shorts up too.
I have no idea what purpose it serves. But it makes their clothing look very bad.
by mick1303 It seems like a relatively new thing. Don't remember them doing it 10-8 years ago.
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:44 pm
They are tucking their skirts tighter. But then, Azarenka tucks her shorts up too.
I have no idea what purpose it serves. But it makes their clothing look very bad.
They tuck a ball in on the side that is rolled up
by ashkor87 Swiatek is in full monster mode..nobody is going to beat her here.
by ashkor87 Now Sinner 90% , field 10%
Swiatek 60% Sabalenka 35% field 5%
by ponchi101 As if I needed more reasons to dislike her.
The kind of stuff that you should be suspended for.
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FredX ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 1:14 am
Now Sinner 90% , field 10%
Swiatek 60% Sabalenka 35% field 5%
Going out a limb here...I'm going with Zverev to take the trophy.
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ashkor87 https://www.theguardian.com/sport/artic ... ng-meadows
both djokovic and alcaraz seem to blame the schedule, specifically, Olympics for their lack of energy.. Take note, ITF.. maybe it is time to separate the Olympics from the grand slam schedules - dont hold the majors so close to Olympics.. but what can they actually do about it? I personally would prefer to have tennis NOT be an Olympic sport- there are enough and more tournaments for players to shine - let the Trrack and Field, and Swimmers etc have the stage to themselves..
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 1:38 am
As if I needed more reasons to dislike her.
The kind of stuff that you should be suspended for.
Surprised the umpire didn't speak up, call the referee..
The umpire is responsible for protecting the linestaff and ball kids...
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skatingfan ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 5:04 am
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/artic ... ng-meadows
both djokovic and alcaraz seem to blame the schedule, specifically, Olympics for their lack of energy.. Take note, ITF.. maybe it is time to separate the Olympics from the grand slam schedules - dont hold the majors so close to Olympics.. but what can they actually do about it? I personally would prefer to have tennis NOT be an Olympic sport- there are enough and more tournaments for players to shine - let the Trrack and Field, and Swimmers etc have the stage to themselves..
But would Alcaraz, and Djokovic want to not play the Olympics? Seemed like they wanted to be there. Sometimes you can't win everything.
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mick1303 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:52 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:44 pm
They are tucking their skirts tighter. But then, Azarenka tucks her shorts up too.
I have no idea what purpose it serves. But it makes their clothing look very bad.
They tuck a ball in on the side that is rolled up
From what I saw there was no ball and it is too tight so there is no room for the ball. Besides storing balls like this is an invitation for ball drop and let to happen
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 5:04 am
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/artic ... ng-meadows
both djokovic and alcaraz seem to blame the schedule, specifically, Olympics for their lack of energy.. Take note, ITF.. maybe it is time to separate the Olympics from the grand slam schedules - dont hold the majors so close to Olympics.. but what can they actually do about it?
I personally would prefer to have tennis NOT be an Olympic sport- there are enough and more tournaments for players to shine - let the Trrack and Field, and Swimmers etc have the stage to themselves..
My position about tennis being in the Olympics is well known. It should not be.
But, c'mon, Carlos and Novak. The Olympics were more than a month away, and it was 5 rounds of best-of-three matches, two of which were jokes (remember Novak's first round? Mathew Ebden. 0 & 1, so don't tell me he had it rough that day).
To Carlos: you are going through a bit of a downturn. Happens to everybody. Your tennis will be back.
To Novak: age is catching up, and you played no warm ups. Something was bound to happen. And, you played a guy that is in the opposite location: he is playing his best tennis ever.
by ashkor87 Agree..I think Djokovic is in the twilight of his career..he will have many bad losses interspersed with some amazing wins .
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FredX ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:20 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 5:04 am
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/artic ... ng-meadows
both djokovic and alcaraz seem to blame the schedule, specifically, Olympics for their lack of energy.. Take note, ITF.. maybe it is time to separate the Olympics from the grand slam schedules - dont hold the majors so close to Olympics.. but what can they actually do about it?
I personally would prefer to have tennis NOT be an Olympic sport- there are enough and more tournaments for players to shine - let the Trrack and Field, and Swimmers etc have the stage to themselves..
My position about tennis being in the Olympics is well known. It should not be.
But, c'mon, Carlos and Novak. The Olympics were more than a month away, and it was 5 rounds of best-of-three matches, two of which were jokes (remember Novak's first round? Mathew Ebden. 0 & 1, so don't tell me he had it rough that day).
To Carlos: you are going through a bit of a downturn. Happens to everybody. Your tennis will be back.
To Novak: age is catching up, and you played no warm ups. Something was bound to happen. And, you played a guy that is in the opposite location: he is playing his best tennis ever.
The Olympics was taxing emotionally more than physically, and not something that can be fixed with scheduling. For Alcaraz, it's just the pressure of another (at least in his mind) high-stakes tournament. He just seems fried, and his meltdown against Monfils was an early indicator. I agree he'll figure it out and expect him to come back fresh in January.
For Novak, I think it's the letdown after reaching the one of two things he's never achieved in his career that he's always wanted: an Olympic gold medal. He probably celebrated, relaxed, basked in his achievement and perhaps taking stock of his career - it would surprise me if both a little of his fight wasn't there and he wasn't motivated enough to prep properly. And the older you get, the more bad days you have.
I think it will be interesting to see what happens to him next year, which I suspect might be his last. I'm guessing he'll give it one last go for that 25th grand slam, and if he doesn't get it, so be it. I can't imagine his motivation will continue - what would he still be out there for? His great rivals are gone. Sure, he has a rivalry with Carlos now, but that is an ultimately losing battle with Father Time pushing his thumb down on the scale.
The other thing that he's never achieved in his career that he always wanted is the adoration of the crowd. I didn't see the match, but from what I understand, even two-sets down he still didn't have the full support of the crowd, which would have been unheard of for Roger or Rafa. I wonder if he was sticking around a little longer hoping to finally get that crowd approval now that Roger and Rafa or gone, and he now seems resigned to the fact that he'll never have that kind of popularity. Another thing not worth fighting for anymore. Ironically, I think him announcing it's going to be his last year on the tour might be the only way he gets it as a final send-off.
by ponchi101 He can get the crowd to adore him. Agassi wrote the book on how to become a FULL crowd favorite.
I don't see him retiring at all next year. Physically he is still very much there. It is not Nadal, riddled with injuries.
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skatingfan ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 6:17 pm
He can get the crowd to adore him. Agassi wrote the book on how to become a FULL crowd favorite.
I don't see him retiring at all next year. Physically he is still very much there. It is not Nadal, riddled with injuries.
I think you're right, but I'm so confident about the injury thing. Something happened to his serve between Paris, and New York.
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ti-amie ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 1:30 am
BBC Sport :press:
@
BBCSport@press.coop
Swiatek credits Williams chat for third-round US Open win
Iga Swiatek says a chat with tennis great Serena Williams gave her a "positive kick" for her dominant third-round victory over Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova. #press
https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/articles/
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FredX ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 6:17 pm
He can get the crowd to adore him. Agassi wrote the book on how to become a FULL crowd favorite.
Agassi had a fan club almost immediately and was an overall beloved figure by the early 90s. Novak has been a villian for twenty years. And he's tried everything - NYFD baseball cap, calling McEnroe down from the booth to play a few points...including copying Agassi with a signature heart salute to the four corners of the crowd and taking it one step further by dragging the ball kids into it...none of it has worked. He doesn't do that anymore....he has no more F***s to give in that department.
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ponchi101 FredX wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 10:28 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 6:17 pm
He can get the crowd to adore him. Agassi wrote the book on how to become a FULL crowd favorite.
Agassi had a fan club almost immediately and was an overall beloved figure by the early 90s. Novak has been a villian for twenty years. And he's tried everything - NYFD baseball cap, calling McEnroe down from the booth to play a few points...including copying Agassi with a signature heart salute to the four corners of the crowd and taking it one step further by dragging the ball kids into it...none of it has worked. He doesn't do that anymore....he has no more F***s to give in that department.
Disagree. Agassi was polarizing. Not completely, but there were many people that disliked his antics. I was one.
By the end, I admit he had become a great ambassador for the game. That is the change I am talking about.
by FredX Fair. I'm giving Agassi too much credit too early...he had his fans, but it really wasn't until his 99 run after his rankings fall that he become more universally esteemed. I still don't see that happening with Novak...Agassi's change seemed real, it's not something you can emulate (and Novak's PR team has certainly tried). And it was only a little over a decade after Agassi's debut. Novak's persistent lack of love may be unfair at this point - and it actually surprises me at how much its stuck to him at this point - but I don't see him being able to turn that around now until he has one foot out the door. I also don't get the sense he's trying anymore.
by JTContinental As if having my laptop conk out in the middle of a Survivor Pool wasn’t enough, today DirecTV shutoff all Disney channels, including ESPN, in the middle of the Tiafoe/Popyrin match over some dumb contract dispute.
by ti-amie Randy Walker
@TennisPublisher
Props to Anna Wintour who is not only on-site at 11 am at the US Open but sitting on Grandstand for Paolini vs. Muchova.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 1:14 am
Now Sinner 90% , field 10%
Swiatek 60% Sabalenka 35% field 5%
Serious question.
You don't give Muchova any chance against Iga? She played a poor start of the match today against Paolini, but then she turned that corner and played a lovely match.
I say that is a 60-40 match, Iga.
by ashkor87 Muchova played great ..didn't expect it! Yes, 40% chance..maybe wishful thinking though
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mmmm8 mick1303 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 7:50 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:52 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:44 pm
They are tucking their skirts tighter. But then, Azarenka tucks her shorts up too.
I have no idea what purpose it serves. But it makes their clothing look very bad.
They tuck a ball in on the side that is rolled up
From what I saw there was no ball and it is too tight so there is no room for the ball. Besides storing balls like this is an invitation for ball drop and let to happen
The ball is stored in the undershorts, which are already tight, which protects it from falling out, but I think some find it more "secure" to also tuck the skirt to prevent the ball from moving and distracting them. They've been doing it for at least as long as I've been watching live tennis (early 00's).
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mmmm8 ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 11:40 pm
ESPN+ has its own app, weird that wasn't an option they suggest.
by jazzyg Exactly. I have DirecTV and ESPN+ and if they would just put the damn matches on ESPN+. it would not be an issue for me. As it is, I'm locked out of watching the rest of the U.S. Open.
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mmmm8 jazzyg wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:57 pm
Exactly. I have DirecTV and ESPN+ and if they would just put the damn matches on ESPN+. it would not be an issue for me. As it is, I'm locked out of watching the rest of the U.S. Open.
I was at the tournament, so didn't realize the matches are locked out from ESPN+ on the ESPN app? Sometimes, checking they don't turn off access for the Spanish stream, so check that!
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ti-amie Ben Rothenberg
@BenRothenberg
“Nice that we’ve got four English speakers in the quarters and semis!” says Brad Gilbert between interviewing Draper and de Minaur, giving one of the less relevant selling points for the men’s draw that I can imagine.
#USOpen
Sigh
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ti-amie And the fight over how to pronounce Zheng Qinwen's name continues
Ratazana
@Ratazana
Hey
@espn, please let Mr Drysdale, Ms Fernandez and Ms Shriver know that Qinwen is pronounced as ‘Chinwen’ (closest to the mandarin pronunciation). Not ‘Kinwen’. Please and thank you.
(Cc @PHShriver )
Blair Henley
@BlairHenley
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Sep 3
She pronounces it KINH-when on her wta profile, which makes it tricky!
Ratazana
@Ratazana
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Sep 3
Omg…it’s her trying to make it easy for the western media…this is extremely unfortunate….
LionKing
@LionKin59270705
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8h
Almost every name is mispronounced in tennis as most of the names are not of English origin. It's normal that some names are mispronounced in a way. The same goes with many of the European names. Europeans just don't care about that.
by ti-amie I hope this nonsense of letting fans enter between points ends with this Slam.
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JTContinental mmmm8 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:55 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 11:40 pm
ESPN+ has its own app, weird that wasn't an option they suggest.
It’s because they are blocking ESPN+ for DirecTV users as well, even if you have an ESPN subscription
I’m finna cancel DirecTV tonight in favor of YouTubeTV, which is apparently half the price
by jazzyg You will lose the five channels dedicated solely to tennis in the first week at every slam but Wimbledon, the best viewing option out there in the world.
That's why I won't drop DirecTV until they no longer have channels 903 through 907 at the slams.
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skatingfan ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:36 am
Ben Rothenberg
@BenRothenberg
“Nice that we’ve got four English speakers in the quarters and semis!” says Brad Gilbert between interviewing Draper and de Minaur, giving one of the less relevant selling points for the men’s draw that I can imagine.
#USOpen
Sigh
Wait till he finds out that de Minaur speak Spanish.
by Fastbackss YouTube TV doesn't have TC on the base tier. You have to add the sports package.
I have been waiting to pull the plug for a bit now...luckily the incumbent isn't directtv
Ps - ironically - traveling for work last night - went to two places - neither would put on the match. Got back to hotel as sinner/medvedev were warming up.
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mmmm8 jazzyg wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 4:08 am
You will lose the five channels dedicated solely to tennis in the first week at every slam but Wimbledon, the best viewing option out there in the world.
That's why I won't drop DirecTV until they no longer have channels 903 through 907 at the slams.
ESPN+ shows all the courts, as many channels as there are matches, for the slams it covers.
by jazzyg Yes it does but the picture is sharper on live TV than on streaming, you can rewind much more easily to rewatch a great point or shot than you can on streaming and you are not 30 seconds behind the live action. I follow all the matches in the 1st week, and I am constantly seeing the result of the point on my phone before it is shown on ESPN+.
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JTContinental jazzyg wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 2:24 pm
Yes it does but the picture is sharper on live TV than on streaming, you can rewind much more easily to rewatch a great point or shot than you can on streaming and you are not 30 seconds behind the live action. I follow all the matches in the 1st week, and I am constantly seeing the result of the point on my phone before it is shown on ESPN+.
It is true that I will miss those tennis mix channels and watching 5 matches at once, but I should be able to watch any match I want using the ESPN app now. DirecTV and I have always had a disharmonious relationship, so it's best for me to walk away.
by ashkor87 A clear pattern- anyone who went deep in the Olympics is physically and mentally compromised here . Swiatek, Djoko, Alcaraz,, QZ..those who didn't are doing fine- Saba, Sinner, even Pegula (who played but didn't go deep)
by ashkor87 Navarro stepping in on Saba's second serve .right thing to do, will rattle Sabalenka!
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:05 pm
A clear pattern- anyone who went deep in the Olympics is physically and mentally compromised here . Swiatek, Djoko, Alcaraz,, QZ..those who didn't are doing fine- Saba, Sinner, even Pegula (who played but didn't go deep)
Yes. A tournament that was 6 weeks ago.
These players are really weak.
by ashkor87 Navarro has an amazing ability to stay focused on her own game plan, not worry about what her opponent is doing .
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:30 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:05 pm
A clear pattern- anyone who went deep in the Olympics is physically and mentally compromised here . Swiatek, Djoko, Alcaraz,, QZ..those who didn't are doing fine- Saba, Sinner, even Pegula (who played but didn't go deep)
Yes. A tournament that was 6 weeks ago.
These players are really weak.
Facts are facts.
by ponchi101 Indeed. Like the fact that Iga could not beat Pegula, which you said is the standard to gauge a good player.
by ti-amie Let's say Pegula played her best match to defeat Iga.
by ashkor87 Sabalenka is such an awesome physical specimen..like an Amazon princess..could walk on to a role as Wonder Woman!
by ashkor87 Navarro looks a bit like Petkovic ..
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ti-amie ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 12:22 am
Navarro looks a bit like Petkovic ..
Now that you mention it...
by ti-amie I see Sabalenka is wearing the clover pendant.
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ashkor87 ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 12:39 am
I see Sabalenka is wearing the clover pendant.
Significance?
by ashkor87 Pegula moving really well..not up there with Coco but still...will help her a lot on this fast court
by ashkor87 Of course, Pegula's court sense and footwork was always superb
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ti-amie ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:22 am
ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 12:39 am
I see Sabalenka is wearing the clover pendant.
Significance?
It has to do with achieving a certain status on the WTA tour. I thought I had posted it here but I can't remember where...
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Fastbackss ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:30 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:05 pm
A clear pattern- anyone who went deep in the Olympics is physically and mentally compromised here . Swiatek, Djoko, Alcaraz,, QZ..those who didn't are doing fine- Saba, Sinner, even Pegula (who played but didn't go deep)
Yes. A tournament that was 6 weeks ago.
These players are really weak.
QZ didn't underachieve here. I would argue neither did Iga.
Fritz didn't (went deep in doubles). Same for Tommy Paul.
I would add Tiafoe to the list who skipped.
And Roddick talked about not only "missing a training block" but how from clay to grass to clay to hard is an extra transition
by ashkor87 Vekic too...and Musetti..all medalists..
Every single medallist flopped
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skatingfan ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 3:45 am
Vekic too...and Musetti..all medalists..
Every single medallist flopped
You could also make the same argument about Wimbledon, and the French Open.
by ashkor87 Remind me- who won Wimbledon? And the French?
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skatingfan ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 8:24 am
Remind me- who won Wimbledon? And the French?
Krejcikova, Alcaraz, and Swiatek.
by ashkor87 yes, a silver and a bronze..and the runnerup at Wimbledon won the gold.. so what are you saying?
by ashkor87 oh, ok, are you saying those who did well at Wimbledon and French also did poorly at the USO? Yes, but that is because the same folks did well at the Olympics, so hard to deduce anything.. Olympics was the proximate cause.
by ashkor87 Jovic is on the semis of the girls event...someone worth tracking .win a round in the main draw and then pushed Alexandrova hard...
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skatingfan ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 8:57 am
oh, ok, are you saying those who did well at Wimbledon and French also did poorly at the USO? Yes, but that is because the same folks did well at the Olympics, so hard to deduce anything.. Olympics was the proximate cause.
post hoc ergo propter hoc
by ashkor87 Muchova probably just needs more match practice to learn to stay tough in long matches...if she stays healthy, she will get there .Great achievement, to come back from she was at the start of the year...
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Fastbackss ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 3:45 am
Vekic too...and Musetti..all medalists..
Every single medallist flopped
Flopped really got in my craw. As such -
Because I hate selective statistics let's look at ALL of them.
Novak - fine
Carlos - fine
Musetti - lost in round of 32, but that isn't abnormal given his ranking (18). Lost to Nakashima - sub par but not a flop imo.
Felix (4th) - I will add this one because he lost in first round.
Those who made it to medal round of doubles and also play singles?
Fritz -still alive
Paul - lost in R16 but held to ranking (loss to sinner)
Machac - unseeded but made it to R16 (loss to draper )
Zheng - lost in quarters to Sabalenka but held ranking
Vekic - lost in R16, to Zheng, but held ranking
Swiatek - lost in quarters
Schmiedlova - lost in opening round. But as a bonus is in the semi finals of another tourney currently. (Also - ranked 87th so in theory should have lost opening round anyway)
Doubles medalists is a litany:
Errani - made it to 3rd round, which is overachieve. Not to mention won mixed.
Paolini - made it to R16. Bit of a letdown here
Shnaider - lost in R16 to pegula. Held ranking.
Andreeva - lost in 2nd round. That is underachievement.
Noskova - lost in 1st round - not completely unexpected as was unseeded and played a seed.
Muchova - unseeded and made semi's - I would say that's fine
SST - lost in 2nd round to a seed (she was unseeded)
Bucsa - lost in 1st round to Errani.
by ashkor87 Great stats ..but I don't think doubles counts, not as taxing as singles...the larger point is,- how much did Olympics take out of the players, and therefore damage the USO..anyway doesn't matter, ITF is not going to change their schedule because of this. Not really worth it.
by ashkor87 Tiafoe will give Sinner a better fight than Fritz can...hope Tiafoe wins today ..4th set going on...
Fritz has nothing in his game that would bother Sinner...Tiafoe can at least get the crowd behind him ..
by ashkor87 Tiafoe's forehand action is so flawed, it causes wild mishits..slapping action is never sustainable - unless your name is Nadal of course
by ti-amie And this is not distracting...
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 2:38 am
Tiafoe's forehand action is so flawed, it causes wild mishits..slapping action is never sustainable - unless your name is Nadal of course
All of Tiafoe's strokes are unorthodox. This is just one amazing athlete with incredible strength and eye-hand coordination. But as soon as a little bit of that timing is gone, the strokes suffer. And fatigue induces that loss of timing.
by ashkor87 Pegula feeling the pressure too .and Saba's really poor lateral movement is getting exposed..dramatic but low quality match thus far, start of set 2
by ashkor87 Sabalenka is really too slow ..and ungainly..this court is not ideal for her.
by ponchi101 I am definitely blind. I can't see Sabalenka as slow. Especially for a woman so big.
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by ashkor87 we both (my wife and I) got up at 130 am to watch the Saba match.. not likely to do it again today! Highlights will be good enough.. I dont anyway expect a very good match.. something like 7-5,7-6,6-2 is my expectaton.. the crowd will make it close in the second set and Sinner will run away with it in the third.. let us see what happens.
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Fastbackss ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:09 am
we both (my wife and I) got up at 130 am to watch the Saba match.. not likely to do it again today! Highlights will be good enough.. I dont anyway expect a very good match.. something like 7-5,7-6,6-2 is my expectaton.. the crowd will make it close in the second set and Sinner will run away with it in the third.. let us see what happens.
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by ti-amie Ben Rothenberg
@BenRothenberg
Honest and revealing of Sinner not to shy away from alluding to his anti-doping travails both at trophy ceremony and then again at ESPN desk.
Reckoning with that uncomfortable saga has to be an important part of understanding and contextualizing this win and his entire season.
by ashkor87 Now that we can look back at the whole season of slams - what I have predicted is exactly what happened - Sinner won the two on fast courts (Australian and USO), Alcaraz won the two on (slightly) slower courts - French and Wimbledon. This is the pattern I expect to see for a few years more.
by ashkor87 It is interesting to see Wimbledon evolving to be closer to RG.. champions like Alcaraz, Krejcikova, Vondrousova...all FO champions or RUs, doing well at W. Only Swiatek hasn't made the adjustments yet..Paolini did well on both too..
Not a bad thing, perhaps- too much change in court surface within a few weeks is not good for the players , or the game - as we saw this year with Olympics on slow clay followed by the USO on fast hard courts..
by ashkor87 Sinner combines the strengths of Djokovic (the stretch, the speed, the defense) and Federer (the effortless ease, serve, forehand) - Alcaraz combines the best of Nadal and Federer ..and he is a better volleyer than Federer ..the future of tennis is bright, and Djokovic/Nadal/Federer get some credit for it ..
by skatingfan It speaks to the difference between natural surfaces, and hard courts. The way natural surfaces take spin, and angles, and drop shots to a greater extent than hard courts.
by ashkor87 so Taylor Swift came to watch Taylor Not-So-Swift?!
by ashkor87 An aside..Alexandrova was the only player to take a set off Sabalenka...justifies my support of her. !!
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 2:06 am
Sinner combines the strengths of Djokovic (the stretch, the speed, the defense) and Federer (the effortless ease, serve, forehand) - Alcaraz combines the best of Nadal and Federer ..and he is a better volleyer than Federer ..the future of tennis is bright, and
Djokovic/Nadal/Federer get some credit for it ..
Nope. Tennis is a cathedral, not a warehouse.
R/R/N can take credit. So can Pete and Agassi, who introduced innovations to the game (Pete showed the new way of serving, Agassi was the mold for many Two handed BH's). Edberg and Becker were heroes in Europe and helped the ascendance of the players there. Before that, Lendl and Borg in Europe and McEnroe and Connors in the USA made the sport popular in both places.
Even "smaller" players can take credit. Chang was the very first player that started sliding on hard courts. Courier showed that unorthodox backhands could work. Rios showed that slapping and breaking your wrist generated more power, and he was the first one to display that "jumping on one leg" BH.
Again, it is a cathedral, and a large one.
by mick1303 Does anybody know who was the girl sitting next to Kalinskaya in the Sinner's box during the final?
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I'll accept that claim.
You can play tennis into your 70's, at a good level. I remember a gentleman at a club I used to play. He was around 70, and his groundstrokes were still damn good and powerful. Sure, he had limited mobility, but he was fit.
And I once got my butt kicked by a 50 yo older man (man, how time passes). I was 20. He jerked me around the court like a trout.
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