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by ti-amie THE CHAMPIONSHIPS, WIMBLEDON 2024
INTENDED ORDER OF PLAY FOR DAY 7 SUNDAY 7 JULY

CENTRE COURT - 1:30PM

1. Gentlemen's Singles - Fourth Round
Carlos Alcaraz (ESP) [3] v Ugo Humbert (FRA) [16]
2. Ladies' Singles - Fourth Round
Lulu Sun (NZL) v Emma Raducanu (GBR)
3. Ladies' Singles - Fourth Round
Emma Navarro (USA) [19] v Coco Gauff (USA) [2]

NO.1 COURT - 1:00PM

1. Ladies' Singles - Fourth Round
Jasmine Paolini (ITA) [7] v Madison Keys (USA) [12]
2. Gentlemen's Singles - Fourth Round
Jannik Sinner (ITA) [1] v Ben Shelton (USA) [14]
3. Gentlemen's Singles - Fourth Round
Grigor Dimitrov (BUL) [10] v Daniil Medvedev [5]

NO.2 COURT - 11:00AM

1. Ladies' Singles - Fourth Round
Paula Badosa (ESP) v Donna Vekic (CRO)
2. Gentlemen's Singles - Fourth Round
Tommy Paul (USA) [12] v Roberto Bautista Agut (ESP)
3. Mixed Doubles - First Round
Lloyd Glasspool (GBR) / Harriet Dart (GBR) v Fabrice Martin (FRA) / Cristina Bucsa (ESP)

NO.3 COURT - 11:00AM

1. Gentlemen's Doubles - Second Round
Rinky Hijikata (AUS) / John Peers (AUS) v Neal Skupski (GBR) / Michael Venus (NZL) [9]
Not Before: 12:00pm
2. Mixed Doubles - First Round
Marcus Willis (GBR) / Alicia Barnett (GBR) v Ivan Dodig (CRO) / Hao-Ching Chan (TPE) [8]
3. Mixed Doubles - First Round
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) / Ulrikke Eikeri (NOR) v Jean-Julien Rojer (NED) / Bethanie Mattek-Sands (USA)
4. Mixed Doubles - First Round
Robert Galloway (USA) / Ingrid Neel (EST) v Jamie Murray (GBR) / Taylor Townsend (USA)

COURT 12 - 11:00AM

1. Ladies' Doubles - Second Round
Timea Babos (HUN) / Nadiia Kichenok (UKR) v Nicole Melichar-Martinez (USA) / Ellen Perez (AUS) [3]
Not Before: 12:00pm
2. Gentlemen's Doubles - Second Round
Rajeev Ram (USA) / Joe Salisbury (GBR) [3] v Andreas Mies (GER) / John-Patrick Smith (AUS)
3. Mixed Doubles - First Round
Neal Skupski (GBR) / Desirae Krawczyk (USA) [6] v Rafael Matos (BRA) / Luisa Stefani (BRA)
4. Mixed Doubles - First Round
Marcelo Arevalo (ESA) / Shuai Zhang (CHN) v Rajeev Ram (USA) / Katie Volynets (USA)

COURT 18 - 11:00AM

1. Ladies' Doubles - Second Round
Irina Khromacheva / Kamilla Rakhimova tied Gabriela Dabrowski (CAN) / Erin Routliffe (NZL) [2] To Finish 1-1
Not Before: 12:30pm
2. Ladies' Doubles - Third Round
Katerina Siniakova (CZE) / Taylor Townsend (USA) [4] v Leylah Fernandez (CAN) / Ena Shibahara (JPN)
3. Mixed Doubles - First Round
Harri Heliovaara (FIN) / Gabriela Dabrowski (CAN) v Michael Venus (NZL) / Erin Routliffe (NZL) [2]
4. Mixed Doubles - First Round
Nathaniel Lammons (USA) / Ena Shibahara (JPN) v Max Purcell (AUS) / Dayana Yastremska (UKR)

COURT 4 - 11:00AM

1. Boys' Singles - First Round
Viktor Frydrych (GBR) v Maxim Mrva (CZE) [10]
2. Girls' Singles - First Round
Iva Ivanova (BUL) [16] v Isabelle Lacy (GBR)
3. Boys' Singles - First Round
Luca Preda (ROU) [5] v Mark Ceban (GBR)
4. Girls' Singles - First Round
Joy De Zeeuw (NED) v Mingge Xu (GBR) [8]
5. Boys' Singles - First Round
Max Schoenhaus (GER) v Charlie Robertson (GBR)
6. Boys' Singles - First Round
Kaylan Bigun (USA) [1] v Maximilian Carrier (GBR)

COURT 5 - 11:00AM

1. Boys' Singles - First Round
Kai-Luca Ampaw (GBR) v Andres Santamarta Roig (ESP)
2. Girls' Singles - First Round
Hollie Smart (GBR) v Annika Penickova (USA)
3. Boys' Singles - First Round
Kase Schinnerer (USA) v Jamie Diack (GBR)
4. Girls' Singles - First Round
Flora Johnson (GBR) v Alena Kovackova (CZE) [7]
5. Boys' Singles - First Round
Federico Cina (ITA) [3] v Zechariah Hamrouni (GBR)
6. Girls' Singles - First Round
Gabia Paskauskas (GBR) v Laura Samson (CZE) [2]

COURT 6 - 11:00AM

1. Girls' Singles - First Round
Renata Jamrichova (SVK) [1] v Christasha McNeil (USA)
2. Boys' Singles - First Round
Timofei Derepasko v Flynn Thomas (SUI)
3. Girls' Singles - First Round
Emily Sartz-Lunde (NOR) v Monika Stankiewicz (POL)
4. Girls' Singles - First Round
Iva Jovic (USA) [6] v Julie Pastikova (CZE)
5. Girls' Singles - First Round
Elizara Yaneva (BUL) v Wakana Sonobe (JPN) [11]
6. Girls' Singles - First Round
Tyra Caterina Grant (USA) [4] v Lilli Tagger (AUT)

COURT 7 - 11:00AM

1. Girls' Singles - First Round
Vendula Valdmannova (CZE) v Olivia Carneiro (BRA)
2. Girls' Singles - First Round
Jeline Vandromme (BEL) [10] v Gaeul Jang (KOR)
3. Boys' Singles - First Round
Atakan Karahan (TUR) v Daniele Rapagnetta (ITA)
4. Girls' Singles - First Round
Teodora Kostovic (SRB) [15] v Malak El Allami (MAR)
5. Boys' Singles - First Round
Cooper Woestendick (USA) [15] v Tom Sickenberger (GER)
6. Boys' Singles - First Round
Maximo Zeitune (ARG) v Thomas Faurel (FRA)

COURT 8 - 11:00AM

1. Boys' Singles - First Round
Matthew Forbes (USA) v Conor Brady (GBR)
2. Girls' Singles - First Round
Mika Stojsavljevic (GBR) v Akasha Urhobo (USA)
3. Girls' Singles - First Round
Allegra Korpanec Davies (GBR) v Julia Stusek (GER)
4. Boys' Singles - First Round
Petr Brunclik (CZE) [8] v Henry Jefferson (GBR)
5. Boys' Singles - First Round
Reda Bennani (MAR) [14] v Oliver Bonding (GBR)
6. Girls' Singles - First Round
Mayu Crossley (JPN) v Eva Maria Ionescu (ROU)

COURT 9 - 11:00AM

1. Girls' Singles - First Round
Ruth Roura Llaverias (ESP) v Ena Koike (JPN) [13]
2. Boys' Singles - First Round
Jangjun Kim (KOR) [9] v Jack Kennedy (USA)
3. Girls' Singles - First Round
Reina Goto (JPN) tied Asylzhan Arystanbekova (KAZ) To Finish 6-2 0-6
4. Girls' Singles - First Round
Eliska Tichackova (CZE) v Thea Frodin (USA)
5. Girls' Singles - First Round
Anna Maria Fedotova (DOM) v Charo Esquiva Banuls (ESP)
6. Girls' Singles - First Round
Laima Vladson (LTU) v Sonja Zhenikhova (GER)

COURT 10 - 11:00AM

1. Boys' Singles - First Round
Gustavo Ribeiro de Almeida (BRA) v Amir Omarkhanov (KAZ) [13]
2. Boys' Singles - First Round
Naoya Honda (JPN) v Miguel Tobon (COL) [11]
3. Boys' Singles - First Round
Jagger Leach (USA) v Izan Almazan Valiente (ESP)
4. Boys' Singles - First Round
Alexander Vasilev (BUL) v Jan Kumstat (CZE) [6]
5. Girls' Singles - First Round
Kristina Penickova (USA) [9] v Yelyzaveta Kotliar (UKR)
6. Boys' Singles - First Round
Donghyun Hwang (KOR) v Rafael Jodar (ESP)

COURT 11 - 11:00AM

1. Boys' Singles - First Round
Trevor Svajda (USA) v Hayden Jones (AUS) [7]
2. Boys' Singles - First Round
Mae Malige (FRA) v Nicolai Budkov Kjaer (NOR) [2]
3. Girls' Singles - First Round
Rosita Dencheva (BUL) v Mika Buchnik (ISR)
4. Girls' Singles - First Round
Shannon Lam (USA) v Mia Pohankova (SVK)
5. Girls' Singles - First Round
Shiho Tsujioka (JPN) v Emerson Jones (AUS) [3]
6. Girls' Singles - First Round
Luna Maria Cinalli (ARG) v Lea Nilsson (SWE)

COURT 14 - 11:00AM

1. Gentlemen's Doubles - Second Round
Sebastian Ofner (AUT) / Sam Weissborn (AUT) v Sebastian Baez (ARG) / Dustin Brown (JAM)
Not Before: 12:30pm
2. Ladies' Doubles - Second Round
Barbora Krejcikova (CZE) / Laura Siegemund (GER) [8] v Hailey Baptiste (USA) / Alycia Parks (USA)
3. Ladies' Doubles - Second Round
Su-Wei Hsieh (TPE) / Elise Mertens (BEL) [1] v Emily Appleton (GBR) / Yuriko Lily Miyazaki (GBR)
4. Mixed Doubles - First Round
Jackson Withrow (USA) / Aldila Sutjiadi (INA) v Andrea Vavassori (ITA) / Sara Errani (ITA) [5]
5. Mixed Doubles - First Round
Jan Zielinski (POL) / Su-Wei Hsieh (TPE) [7] v Hugo Nys (MON) / Demi Schuurs (NED)

COURT 15 - 11:00AM

1. Gentlemen's Doubles - Second Round
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) / Andres Molteni (ARG) [11] v Tomas Machac (CZE) / Zhizhen Zhang (CHN)
Not Before: 12:30pm
2. Ladies' Doubles - Second Round
Asia Muhammad (USA) / Aldila Sutjiadi (INA) [15] tied Diana Shnaider / Elena Vesnina To Finish 6-2 3-6
3. Gentlemen's Doubles - Second Round
Charles Broom (GBR) / Arthur Fery (GBR) v Wesley Koolhof (NED) / Nikola Mektic (CRO) [7]
4. Mixed Doubles - First Round
Matthew Ebden (AUS) / Ellen Perez (AUS) [1] v Andres Molteni (ARG) / Asia Muhammad (USA)
5. Mixed Doubles - First Round
Julian Cash (GBR) / Maia Lumsden (GBR) v Henry Patten (GBR) / Olivia Nicholls (GBR)

COURT 16 - 11:00AM

1. Ladies' Doubles - Third Round
Caroline Dolehide (USA) / Desirae Krawczyk (USA) [7] v Caroline Garcia (FRA) / Kristina Mladenovic (FRA)
2. Ladies' Doubles - Third Round
Lyudmyla Kichenok (UKR) / Jelena Ostapenko (LAT) [9] v Tereza Mihalikova (SVK) / Olivia Nicholls (GBR)
3. Mixed Doubles - First Round
Santiago Gonzalez (MEX) / Giuliana Olmos (MEX) v Luke Johnson (GBR) / Freya Christie (GBR)
4. Mixed Doubles - First Round
Mate Pavic (CRO) / Lyudmyla Kichenok (UKR) [3] v John Peers (AUS) / Nicole Melichar-Martinez (USA)

COURT 17 - 11:00AM

1. Gentlemen's Doubles - Second Round
Santiago Gonzalez (MEX) / Edouard Roger-Vasselin (FRA) [6] v Christopher Eubanks (USA) / Evan King (USA)
2. Gentlemen's Doubles - Second Round
Marcel Granollers (ESP) / Horacio Zeballos (ARG) [1] v Nicolas Mahut (FRA) / Skander Mansouri (TUN)
3. Ladies' Doubles - Second Round
Marta Kostyuk (UKR) / Elena-Gabriela Ruse (ROU) v Yana Sizikova / Yafan Wang (CHN)
4. Mixed Doubles - First Round
Kevin Krawietz (GER) / Alexandra Panova v Austin Krajicek (USA) / Laura Siegemund (GER) [4]

TO BE ARRANGED 1 - 4:00PM

Not Before: 4:00pm
1. Gentlemen's Doubles - First Round
Mackenzie McDonald (USA) / Ben Shelton (USA) tied Flavio Cobolli (ITA) / Lorenzo Sonego (ITA) To Finish 6-2 6-7(3)
Not Before: 5:00pm
2. Mixed Doubles - First Round
Joe Salisbury (GBR) / Heather Watson (GBR) v Sander Gille (BEL) / Nadiia Kichenok (UKR)

The Committee, while adhering as closely as possible to the order of play given, is unable to guarantee that it will be maintained in its entirety.
This may result in matches being moved from one court to another. DENISE PARNELL - REFEREE
by ashkor87 Paolini vs Keys is the most interesting match today...Dimitrov vs Medvedev, I have picked Med in SP but I don't seriously think he can win ..Paolini-Keys is really power vs speed, a good test of which is more valuable on grass..I, of course, think speed and nimbleness but then, that serve! Returning Key's serve is very very tough. If Paolini had a better serve...I have always believed that the best answer to a good serve, on grass, is not a good return .the best answer to a good serve is a better serve!
by Suliso Most likely Paolini is too small to seriously contend for Slams. Has anyone this short (4 cm less than Henin) ever won a Slam (Open era)?
by meganfernandez
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:37 am Paolini vs Keys is the most interesting match today...Dimitrov vs Medvedev, I have picked Med in SP but I don't seriously think he can win ..Paolini-Keys is really power vs speed, a good test of which is more valuable on grass..I, of course, think speed and nimbleness but then, that serve! Returning Key's serve is very very tough. If Paolini had a better serve...I have always believed that the best answer to a good serve, on grass, is not a good return .the best answer to a good serve is a better serve!
Keys nerve is the factor. Failed to serve out the second set twice. Lost a 5-1 lead. At 5-3, she hit three routine groundstrokes in the net, then served and volleys at 15-40.

Maddy dug deep to hold at 5-5, long deuce game, then at 5-6, she missed backhand returns at 30-30 and deuce and lost the game.

Up 4-3 in second set TB, mini break, she served and volleyed. Lost it. Not a good-enough volleyer.

At 5-4, she had a great look at a passing shot. Unforced error.

At 6-5, set point, impatient forehand out.

Horrible mistakes. All nerves. Same old story.

BUT she won the set coming in and miraculously pulling off a half volley off her shoestrings.

I still think Paolini wins the match. She's returning very well, is much more positive, moves better, comes in better.

If Keys was even a B+ volleyer, she would have won a Slam by now.
by meganfernandez FFS, Keys up two breaks in the third, drops serve, stretches knee...So painful to watch. Now getting treatment for her knee. Another collapse.
by jazzyg I do not agree that Keys always fails in clutch situations. She actually hit terrific shots over and over on critical points to win the tiebreak and when she faced break points in the third set.

But the same old, same old is her getting hurt--again. That's been the plague on her career.
by jazzyg Up until the 5-2 game, Keys was playing the exact same match in the exact same round as when she beat Andreeva last year by the score of 3-6, 7-6, 6-2. The only difference was the tiebreak score (7-4 versus 8-6), and Andreeva was outstanding for most of the first two sets before falling off, just like Paoline did for most of the third set today.
by meganfernandez
jazzyg wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 2:20 pm I do not agree that Keys always fails in clutch situations. She actually hit terrific shots over and over on critical points to win the tiebreak and when she faced break points in the third set.

But the same old, same old is her getting hurt--again. That's been the plague on her career.
I think you're being kind. Keys comes up with some clutch stuff but those situations should never be clutch. She chokes. Did she get hurt vs Sabalenka in the US Open semi last year?

Sabalenka used to choke, too. She overcame it. Maddie hasn't/never did. Probably won't.

And she retired with the injury, in tears. Very sad. But I kind of wonder if the stress doesn't contribute to these injuries. Keys should have won the 2nd when she was up 5-1 and been off the court 30 minutes ago.
by jazzyg No, she got hurt. The injury was clear.

And you are vastly underrating Paolini. She was in control of the match, dictating play because although she is small, she hits a big ball. Keys was up 5-1 because of some mistakes by Paolini.
by ponchi101 I think Paolini has proven herself to be more than she has been credited for. I am guilty there. I saw her losing in 2R, and now she us in the quarters. Sure, a bit of luck today but that is part of the deal. Making the finals of one slam, and making the QF of the next is not shabby.
I am surprised by her serve. As Suliso says, for somebody so small, she gets it up there at 108 MPH ON AVERAGE. That is good enough.
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 2:47 pm I think Paolini has proven herself to be more than she has been credited for. I am guilty there. I saw her losing in 2R, and now she us in the quarters. Sure, a bit of luck today but that is part of the deal. Making the finals of one slam, and making the QF of the next is not shabby.
I am surprised by her serve. As Suliso says, for somebody so small, she gets it up there at 108 MPH ON AVERAGE. That is good enough.
Yeah, she's scrappy, positive, has a decent serve, returns well, comes forward well, moves well. But Maddy should have won the match. Big leads in both 2nd and 3rd sets and clearly able to overpower Paolini. But 39 UFEs, too much stress, too much time on court.
by nelslus MEANWHILE, Carlos sure gave me the whoopsie-doodles in that fourth set. Up a break, then got broken back, and his next service game, was down 0-40. Still won 7-5 in the fourth, after losing the freakin' 3rd set 6-1. SHEEEESH, pick up your level Carlos. LOL, of course, not that I've seen much of this match yet. 'Twas scoreboard watching. :gorgeous:
by nelslus
Suliso wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:27 am Most likely Paolini is too small to seriously contend for Slams. Has anyone this short (4 cm less than Henin) ever won a Slam (Open era)?
BJK is just one inch taller- 5'5"= almost the same listed height as Justine. Chris Evert is two inches taller. Nancy Richey is one inch shorter- albeit, her two singles Slam titles, and her doubles Slam titles, DID come JUST pre-Open era. Back in the day- a female player could get away with being a shrimp. Only the likes of poor Rosie Casals at five feet, two and a half inches, was considered to be too much of a shortie to ever win a singles Slam title.
by nelslus Evan King and Chris Eubanks just beat the #6 seeds, Roger-Vasselin and Gonzalez 3 & 6. Gets them in R16. :bananas:

AND, after a default, 357 year old Dustin Brown also is in the doubles R16. :D
by nelslus ....YET another freakin' rain delay. They're gonna have to find a local Wimbledon Park Tennis Academy to begin and play out the mixed doubles.
by Suliso Also Emma who?
by nelslus ....AND, of course, at least for now, Poor Emma. Loses the 1st set 6-2.
by ponchi101
Suliso wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 4:35 pmAlso Emma who?
Navarro. She seems to be good ;)
by Suliso For once Sinner was consistent enough to win in straight. Good for preserving energy for real battles ahead.
by Suliso What happened to Dimitrov???
by meganfernandez
Suliso wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:27 pm What happened to Dimitrov???
Slipped, knee injury.
Raducanu, too, but she is playing on. Not sure if it was her knee or something else, but she slipped and took a long medical timeout.
by Suliso Something is not right with a grass at this tournament... We didn't used to have so many injuries on grass.
by Suliso Now a repeat of AO final. I think on this surface Sinner is even more favored, but of course for sure it is not.
by meganfernandez Sun's short crosscourt backhand has won a lot of points today.
by ponchi101
Suliso wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:32 pm Something is not right with a grass at this tournament... We didn't used to have so many injuries on grass.
Been reading my posts? This backcourt style of playing on grass is too risky. And, of course, you can't serve and volley anymore, so...
You get all these injuries.
by ti-amie Lulu Sun (Q) def Emma Raducanu in three sets 6-2, 5-7, 6-2.
by Suliso Roger and Rafa never got injured on grass, right? They played the same style mostly.
by ti-amie
Suliso wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:05 pm Roger and Rafa never got injured on grass, right? They played the same style mostly.
You're talking about demigods here :lol:

Mere mortals struggle on this surface.
by ponchi101
Suliso wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:05 pm Roger and Rafa never got injured on grass, right? They played the same style mostly.
No. Roger's final match at Wimby was against Hurkacz, on which he injured himself. The injury that he could not overcome.
Serena's injury was at Wimby, on a serve. She landed awkwardly and that was it.
Delpo's knee injury was at Queens. He was unable to recover.

Rafa never got injured on grass, that I can recall. I guess he was busy getting injured on clay.
by meganfernandez Navarro may or may not win this match, but her improvement this year is incredible. Started with fitness. Other players could do the same. Tip-top, optimum, maximized fitness should be the norm. They can control it, for the most part.
by ponchi101 Navs said that, ages ago. The one thing you can control 100%. Make sure that the physical part is never in doubt, when you are playing.
I really like Navarro's FH. Super fluid, perfect form. Like her attitude too.
Needs to improve the 2nd serve.
by Suliso
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:53 pm Navarro may or may not win this match, but her improvement this year is incredible. Started with fitness. Other players could do the same. Tip-top, optimum, maximized fitness should be the norm. They can control it, for the most part.
Definitely, albeit if fitness was the only component Sakkari would be winning Slams left and right... I still think Gauff will win this match.
by ponchi101 Nobody is saying that fitness will just win you the match. Had it been so, Amanda Coetzer would hold multiple slams. But fitness is like belief. Belief will not win you a slam. But not believing will always stop you.
Not being fit will hold you back so much.
by JTContinental Coco has started to make all the wrong choices
by meganfernandez
Suliso wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:59 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:53 pm Navarro may or may not win this match, but her improvement this year is incredible. Started with fitness. Other players could do the same. Tip-top, optimum, maximized fitness should be the norm. They can control it, for the most part.
Definitely, albeit if fitness was the only component Sakkari would be winning Slams left and right... I still think Gauff will win this match.
Of course, fitness alone won't cut it. But they shouldn't leave anything on the table when it comes to fitness, and I think a lot of players do. Even that last 5%. Can make a difference.

Still think Gauff wins, down a set and a break? She has been dismal this set. I like Navarro, but she's no Sabalenka or Iga. Coco should be able to beat her.
JTContinental wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:05 pm Coco has started to make all the wrong choices
Imploring Brad to coach her, too.
by ti-amie Cori was pressing/rushing most of the first set. Navarro is also the first real test Gauff has had this tournament.
by mick1303 Once Raducanu snubed Andy, it was almost inevitable that she would lose.
by meganfernandez
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:16 pm Cori was pressing/rushing most of the first set. Navarro is also the first real test Gauff has had this tournament.
Dismal performance from Gauff with opportunity aplenty. Terrible forehand. How can a top player has a FH this unstable?
by texasniteowl I don't even know what to say about Coco's mental meltdown there. All kudos to Navarro. The improvement is crazy.
by nelslus SO bummed that Emma R. and Rajeev/Joe lost. UGGHHHHH.

BUT, Shelton and McDonald played great to finally win their R1 doubles match.

Emma N. just showed us all a clinic on how to beat Coco on grass. VERY impressive, and it was fun to watch her play so beautifully.
by nelslus
texasniteowl wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:30 pm I don't even know what to say about Coco's mental meltdown there. All kudos to Navarro. The improvement is crazy.
Players have GOT to stop looking at their coaching teams during matches. Period. Figure it out.

Look, Coco is 20 years old, so I can't beat up on her. But, she must unlearn this very, very quickly.
by texasniteowl
nelslus wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:37 pm
texasniteowl wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:30 pm I don't even know what to say about Coco's mental meltdown there. All kudos to Navarro. The improvement is crazy.
Players have GOT to stop looking at their coaching teams during matches. Period. Figure it out.

Look, Coco is 20 years old, so I can't beat up on her. But, she must unlearn this very, very quickly.
Agreed. I found it interesting that the commentators seemed surprised that Coco was doing that. I feel like I've seen her do that multiple times before when things weren't going her way. It was not new behavior for Coco.
by nelslus
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:28 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:16 pm Cori was pressing/rushing most of the first set. Navarro is also the first real test Gauff has had this tournament.
Dismal performance from Gauff with opportunity aplenty. Terrible forehand. How can a top player has a FH this unstable?
Coco's forehand and serves held up in the SF and F of last year's US Open.

Thing is, Venus always was going to be vulnerable with her forehands and second serves. If she had managed to fix those problems areas- and, LOL, if her sister wasn't around- who knows how many singles Slam titles V could have won. But, hey- 7 singles Slam titles is a pretty nice consolation prize.

Another issue I can think of with a weakness with a great player- BJK''s forehand volleys could be very vulnerable. She did improve in this area as of the early-mid 1970's. But, that was a place one could pressure BJK.

It will be interesting to see if Coco can consistently improve these problem areas- or, at least, improve enough to have a V-level career.
by nelslus
texasniteowl wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:42 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:37 pm
texasniteowl wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:30 pm I don't even know what to say about Coco's mental meltdown there. All kudos to Navarro. The improvement is crazy.
Players have GOT to stop looking at their coaching teams during matches. Period. Figure it out.

Look, Coco is 20 years old, so I can't beat up on her. But, she must unlearn this very, very quickly.
Agreed. I found it interesting that the commentators seemed surprised that Coco was doing that. I feel like I've seen her do that multiple times before when things weren't going her way. It was not new behavior for Coco.
100%.

BTW, concerning all players- not directed at Coco in this case, or Madison Keys- if I were a coach, if I were to see my player crying before a match is over- I am walking out. NEVER show that you are giving up. Once the match is over- cry as much as you want- or any other emotions you need to let out.
by jazzyg Coco, just like Swiatek, is always going to struggle on grass. It is amazing how the commentators discount her ridiculous forehand grip as a factor. It just won't work.

As for Navarro, her win over Shnaider was more impressive than her wins over Osaka or Gauff, and I'm not posting this to be different. It is the truth. Shnaider had just beaten her on grass and was playing with tremendous self-belief and excellent shot- making.
by meganfernandez
jazzyg wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 9:30 pm Coco, just like Swiatek, is always going to struggle on grass. It is amazing how the commentators discount her ridiculous forehand grip as a factor. It just won't work.

As for Navarro, her win over Shnaider was more impressive than her wins over Osaka or Gauff, and I'm not posting this to be different. It is the truth. Shnaider had just beaten her on grass and was playing with tremendous self-belief and excellent shot- making.
Yeah, I didn't expect Navarro to beat Schnaider, who also beat Emma on clay in May. Schnaider was struggling with an elbow injury toward the end of the match, though. Got treatment and iced it on changeovers. Yet it was still close, 6-4 in the third. Emma lost the first set and showed goo composure to take the second.
by ponchi101
jazzyg wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 9:30 pm Coco, just like Swiatek, is always going to struggle on grass. It is amazing how the commentators discount her ridiculous forehand grip as a factor. It just won't work.

As for Navarro, her win over Shnaider was more impressive than her wins over Osaka or Gauff, and I'm not posting this to be different. It is the truth. Shnaider had just beaten her on grass and was playing with tremendous self-belief and excellent shot- making.
Exactly. That grip is too extreme; your racquet is facing down for about 90% of your swing and you have that split second when you can make clean contact with the ball.
But, as said above, it has already bagged her a USO, and I think she will have more slams. A couple. So, no need to change it, just realize you will have troubles every now and then. Specially in July.
by skatingfan I wonder about the impact of all the rain this year on the surface, and the falls, and injuries. Since the change in the grass a couple decades ago Wimbledon has generally been drier but every few years we get these wet weeks, and the grass doesn't dry properly.