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Were these posted? I looked where I thought they'd be and didn't see them.





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FAA up to career high #6. Rune at career high #12 and a possibility to join the top 10 if he can beat Djokovic or Tsitsipas in the final.
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What a way by Rune to finish the year in the top 10 at the very last moment. Surely not the only time he finishes the year that high. Missed out on WTF by just 44 points...
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When do we get the first Carlitos/Rune Slam final? Next year? Or do we have to wait some more?
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ponchi101 wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:23 pm When do we get the first Carlitos/Rune Slam final? Next year? Or do we have to wait some more?
Does this child look like he's ready to contend for a Slam? :)
Rune.jpg
Seriously, not next year. He has only played in 5 Slams so far, although he has already been to a quarterfinal. I just think there's too much experience across the net at this point, esp with Djokovic and Nadal still in good form. And now he has expectations to deal with on top of best of 5. Maybe another year or two. Of course it could happen but I wouldn't bet on it. Which means he'll win the Australian Open.

I also haven't SEEN him play very much. It's one thing to judge on paper with theories, another with your eyes.
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You know my opinion about experience ;)
Yesterday was not a case of Djokovic playing poorly; he never does. But there are two things about Rune that are different.
1. He is able to take deep shots into his BH on the rise. Against Novak, who obviously has a very good BH, on several occasions Rune just took a deep BH with his own BH and redirected down the line. A couple were for clear winners. So, just when you think that you have pushed him back, the one that ends up doing the running, if not left flat footed, is you.
2. The movement is top notch. And that is one common thing that all great ones have. He moves as well as Carlitos, moves better than Sinner, and has fantastic speed in all directions. Novak hit a few drop shots, and I can't recall a single one for a clear winner.

The volleying is also better than average.

So, I say that the first Carlitos/Holger final in a slam will be simply determined by the draw. Carlitos is obviously ready (he has been there), and anybody that takes down 5 top ten players, PLUS a three-time slam winner at age 19, has a lot going for him.
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I'm not ready to get on a Rune bandwagon. There are always weird results at Bercy. They'll deny it but they're all tired and nagging injuries feel like major injuries. Carlitos overplayed this year and it finally caught up with him in my opinion.

I like Ponchi's analysis and will look to pay more attention to his game and see how they play him after having time to study him.
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ponchi101 wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:59 pm You know my opinion about experience ;)
Yesterday was not a case of Djokovic playing poorly; he never does. But there are two things about Rune that are different.
1. He is able to take deep shots into his BH on the rise. Against Novak, who obviously has a very good BH, on several occasions Rune just took a deep BH with his own BH and redirected down the line. A couple were for clear winners. So, just when you think that you have pushed him back, the one that ends up doing the running, if not left flat footed, is you.
2. The movement is top notch. And that is one common thing that all great ones have. He moves as well as Carlitos, moves better than Sinner, and has fantastic speed in all directions. Novak hit a few drop shots, and I can't recall a single one for a clear winner.

The volleying is also better than average.

So, I say that the first Carlitos/Holger final in a slam will be simply determined by the draw. Carlitos is obviously ready (he has been there), and anybody that takes down 5 top ten players, PLUS a three-time slam winner at age 19, has a lot going for him.
Great analysis. His top level and some of his abilities, even now, are very high. In best of 3 indoors. We're talking about someone who lost to JJ Wolf three months ago. :)
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Tsitsipas?
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He is #3 at the moment.
And yes, it would be odd as hell.
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ti-amie wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:48 pmTsitsipas?
He would #1 by 30 points if he goes undefeated at the WTF, and Nadal doesn't make the final with a 4-1 record.
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Turin is usually very fast...not likely to favor Tsitsi
I would have bet on Sinner except...Djoko is fresh, should win
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ashkor87 wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:53 am Turin is usually very fast...not likely to favor Tsitsi
I would have bet on Sinner except...Djoko is fresh, should win
I will bet you two dog-chewed balls Novak won't win ;)
Paris is a court that favors him a lot, and yet he could not win. To me, the problem now for Rafa and Novak is the recovery time; if they have one tough match, specially a late one, they don't have the time to come back. It is the reason they are still so dominant at Slams (with the days-off schedule) but have come down to earth, slightly, on the regular tour.
Having said that:
Rafa: won't win. Not his place.
Tsitsipas: As good a chance as anybody else.
Ruud. Not his favorite surface.
Medvedev: Good chances. He likes indoor fast.
FAA: very good chances. He LOVES indoor fast.
Rublev: The one guy that should withdraw so that Rune can get in. Zero chance.
Novak: Contradicting myself here. Betting against him seldom pays off.
Fritz: good fast court player, has some very good strokes, then he fizzles. Or Fritzzles?
Rune: He would not win it; but he would not go 0-3.
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