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I will be laughing if the top 4 now reach SF's.
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Suliso wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 5:56 am I will be laughing if the top 4 now reach SF's.
Could happen..for once, 3 of the top 4 are great players...only 1 isn't ..on the women's side, that is..the men have already lost #2.
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Svitolina is back in the top 100 in no time at all (#73 in live ranking).
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Probably end of the line, as she might be going against Aryna. But she has the game to annoy Sabalenka, so maybe with a little luck... :fingers_crossed:
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Sabalenka has become impervious to annoyance these days ..only a Tier 1 player can beat her now, except when she is fatigued from having gone deep the previous tournament...neither apply now
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Sloane hit only 5 winners yesterday. FIVE. And yet, she pushed Aryna to two long sets.
Aryna still can spend long stretches of matches spraying balls all over. I agree, she is not faltering mentally, but if the balls don't land in, there is very little she can do.
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Haddad Maia joins the top 10. She's the real South American star. Far superior to Podoroska, Osorio or anyone else at tour level.
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She is the ONLY S. American star. Cami only registers here in Colombia, and in a country dominated by football, she registers very little. And Podoroska's failure to gain any traction after her RG SF has pretty much left her out of the Argentinian public's view.
This is a region where the WTA has a lot of work to do. And with women's football becoming more popular, there is a lot of competition for a tennis player to become a household name. Right now, we are in a vicious circle: there are no female players, so there are no tournaments, so there are no places to develop tennis, so no young women take up the sport...
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ashkor87 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:56 am Sabalenka has become impervious to annoyance these days ..only a Tier 1 player can beat her now, except when she is fatigued from having gone deep the previous tournament...neither apply now
I do consider Muchova to be right at the top of Tier 2

Orwell ince described himself as being from the upper lower middle class..in the same spirit, we can define top tier of tier 2..
Bencic, Muchova, Pegula, Krejcikova?
Middle tier 2 - Sakkari, Badosa, Kasatkina, Coco..
Too fine!!
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Oh, c'mon, we are getting silly now ;) If we go that way, why not say Tier 2.5? If such and such player is "Top tier 2", why not put the players below her at Tier 3, and re-arrange accordingly?
And then, of course, we can go for even further and have the one player that is Tier 1.2, and so on.
You are trying to slice this bologna loaf a bit too thinly, I would say. And we have never decided on a semi-proper definition of what these Tiers are. Are players in Tier 1 players that have ALREADY won a slam, or that we think could win a slam? Tier 2, players that have reached a slam final? Tier 3, players with a MS1000? We have never decided what we mean by that, at least heuristically.

And we might be suffering from recency bias. Sure, Muchova is having a hell of a tournament; but let's not forget that she has been dormant, and/or injured, since her Aussie SF. This may be a sign, but we need ot see if she can stablish herself as a constant, top player from now on.
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Iga has a good chance of holding on to #1 ranking a bit longer. Albeit I still predict Sabalenka to overtake her after Wimbledon.
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ponchi101 wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:55 pm Oh, c'mon, we are getting silly now ;) If we go that way, why not say Tier 2.5? If such and such player is "Top tier 2", why not put the players below her at Tier 3, and re-arrange accordingly?
And then, of course, we can go for even further and have the one player that is Tier 1.2, and so on.
You are trying to slice this bologna loaf a bit too thinly, I would say. And we have never decided on a semi-proper definition of what these Tiers are. Are players in Tier 1 players that have ALREADY won a slam, or that we think could win a slam? Tier 2, players that have reached a slam final? Tier 3, players with a MS1000? We have never decided what we mean by that, at least heuristically.

And we might be suffering from recency bias. Sure, Muchova is having a hell of a tournament; but let's not forget that she has been dormant, and/or injured, since her Aussie SF. This may be a sign, but we need to see if she can stablish herself as a constant, top player from now on.
True..that is why I gave up in the end...
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ponchi101 wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:55 pm Oh, c'mon, we are getting silly now ;) If we go that way, why not say Tier 2.5? If such and such player is "Top tier 2", why not put the players below her at Tier 3, and re-arrange accordingly?
And then, of course, we can go for even further and have the one player that is Tier 1.2, and so on.
You are trying to slice this bologna loaf a bit too thinly, I would say. And we have never decided on a semi-proper definition of what these Tiers are. Are players in Tier 1 players that have ALREADY won a slam, or that we think could win a slam? Tier 2, players that have reached a slam final? Tier 3, players with a MS1000? We have never decided what we mean by that, at least heuristically.

And we might be suffering from recency bias. Sure, Muchova is having a hell of a tournament; but let's not forget that she has been dormant, and/or injured, since her Aussie SF. This may be a sign, but we need if she can stablish herself as a constant, top player from now on.
True..that is why I gave up in the end...
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WTA clay season is over and here are the top 10 in the race after it.

1. Aryna Sabalenka 5620
2. Iga Swiatek 5145
3. Elena Rybakina 4406
4. Jessica Pegula 2445
5. Karolina Muchova 2140
6. Coco Gauff 1865
7. Belinda Bencic 1800
8. Barbora Krejcikova 1741
9. Beatriz Haddad Maia 1687
10. Petra Kvitova 1645

Large difference between the top 3 and others. To catch up anyone else will need to win Wimbledon or USO.
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Funny that they can all gain points at Wimby.
And Muchova's jump is interesting. I think she can do well on grass. And I hope so.
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