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by ponchi101 I am starting to have that same issue with TAT1.0: I can't thank that post. But I already posted my opinion in another topic.

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by ponchi101 It is refreshing that they truly say what they think.

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Running his mouth on National TV wasn't a great decision.

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by ti-amie From the FAFO files:

‘I Feel Betrayed’: Woman Sentenced for Jan. 6 Breach Claims She Was ‘Promised’ White House Job, Gets Jail Time Instead
MARISA SARNOFFMar 2nd, 2022, 4:11 pm

A Pennsylvania woman convicted of breaching a “sensitive space” of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 told a sentencing judge on Wednesday that people close to former President Donald Trump “promised” her a White House job. Instead, she received a jail sentence that she fears could lose her custody of her kid.

Annie Howell, 31, recorded at least five videos that day, including one of her in a ransacked conference room in what prosecutors described as a “sensitive space” inside the Capitol building. According to prosecutors, she can be heard leading a chant of “Whose house? Our house!” She also recorded multiple videos of law enforcement being attacked by the violent mob of Donald Trump supporters who stormed the building in an effort to stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden‘s win in the 2020 presidential election.

At her sentencing hearing Wednesday, Howell said that she had been told by GOP officials that she would be rewarded for her dedication to keeping Trump in office.

“I feel betrayed by the former president,” she said during the hearing. “I was promised things by people that were close to him, such as a job in the White House.”

“I Helped Set Up Security for Trump”

Howell elaborated on her connections to the GOP in Pennsylvania in a letter she filed with the court ahead of the sentencing hearing. She said that as a result of her work as a volunteer, she was invited to an “exclusive, invitation only, dinner with Eric Trump” and became more “politically connected” after that.

“I was surrounded by Congressman, Senators, even Trump advisers. I helped set up security for Trump and his family with the secret service,” Howell claimed in her letter.

“By this point in time I had a large social media following and was enthusiastic about the 2020 election and Donald Trump, my candidate,” she continued. “I was promised future benefits, including a possible White House job for my hard work, my loyalty and my dedication to Trump and his family. Immediately following the election, I was asked directly by a Trump adviser and supposed close friend to help collect affidavits from PA. residents in eight [8] Pennsylvania counties.”

Notably, Howell has met with investigators for the House committee investigating Jan. 6. According to her attorney, Howell has provided information that has been “investigated, verified and found to be valuable.”

That didn’t matter to prosecutors, however.

“It doesn’t change the fact we still believe she is still deserving of incarceration in this matter,” prosecutor Benjamin Kringer said at the hearing Wednesday. In one video, according to prosecutors, Howell kept recording as rioters dragged three police officers down the stairs and brutally assaulted them. Howell can allegedly be heard yelling “(expletive) you” at the officers during this attack.

“It is difficult to understand how somebody can watch officers being hit with sticks, being kicked, being attacked with their own stolen riot shields, and cheer for those attacks to continue,” Kinger said at the hearing.

“Some rioters were force multipliers,” the prosecutor added.

“I Do Think You Have to Serve Some Time”

Although Howell didn’t physically assault officers or destroy property, Kringer said her participation in Jan. 6 “went beyond her presence at the riot,” including posting videos to Facebook that Kringer said “spread propaganda” and blamed the violence on law enforcement and anti-Trump activists. FBI Director Christopher Wray has said there is no evidence that anti-fascist activists—often referred to as “antifa”—participated in violence at the Capitol that day.

On Wednesday, Senior U.S. District Judge Thomas Hogan sentenced Howell to 60 days in jail.

The jail time was ordered as a condition of a three-year probation sentence. Hogan, a Ronald Reagan appointee, said that he wanted to avoid putting Howell in a position where she could lose custody of her eight-year-old son, whose father has sought full custody since Howell’s arrest.

“I do think you have to serve some time of incarceration for your activity,” Hogan said. “I cannot see just giving you probation.”

Hogan said that Howell must serve her sentence in 10-day increments at a local jail.

Howell’s attorney H. Heather Shaner asked Hogan to reconsider, saying that the sentence could cause Howell to lose custody of her son. But Hogan didn’t budge.

“I’ve recommended that that not happen,” Hogan said. “I don’t know why 10 days at various times of the month, why she can’t do it. I don’t see how the sentence makes any difference, whether it’s all probation or probation with intermittent confinement.”

Shaner asked that the intermittent sentence be served on weekends instead of the longer 10-day sessions.

“I’m going to leave it as it is,” Hogan said. “I think it’s the only appropriate thing based on the the conduct and actions at the Jan. 6 riot. I considered giving her straight time for more than 60 days, frankly, and if it had been a different situation, I would have given her more time in jail.”

Hogan also ordered Howell to complete 60 hours of community service.


“Trying to Downplay the Riot”

Before issuing his sentence, Hogan gave Howell the chance to speak on her own behalf. She told him that she was “embarrassed and ashamed” and that she is not the same person who cheered in support of rioters who were repeatedly assaulting law enforcement.

“I can’t express more how different I am today,” she told Hogan, citing the fact that she has watched movies like “Schindler’s List” and read books about “oppression and bigotry and racism”—a pre-sentencing tactic that Shaner has apparently employed with other Jan. 6 defendants.

Howell also said that her participation in the riot was motivated by her support for Trump.

Howell had pleaded guilty in December to one count of entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds. The misdemeanor charge is punishable by up to one year in jail. Prosecutors requested a sentence of 60 days’ incarceration; Howell had asked for a period of probation only.

During the hearing, Hogan took time to address what he calls the “whitewashing” of the Capitol attack, joining some of his colleagues on the bench who have similarly condemned lawmakers and other political figures who have sought to soft-pedal the events of the day.

“I am concerned because what we have going on in this country is certain legislators in our Congress and Senate [are] trying to downplay the riot, tending to whitewash it, attempting to provide a different narrative,” Hogan said.

“There are people of substance trying to mislead the United States and its citizens as to what really happened at the riot,” Hogan said. “I think that’s something we have to be very careful about. Jan. 6 was an insurrection.” Hogan said it was “probably the worst thing that’s happened” to attack democracy in the U.S. since the War of 1812 when British troops set fire to the White House.

Hogan added that it’s frightening that so many Americans “bought in so much to this belief that caused the riot, that they could continue to believe [up to] the next election, if the person they want is not elected, [they could] go back to rioting again and attacking our institutions. We need to be concerned about that in particular with those individuals who are trying to downplay the riot and what really happened.”

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Marisa Sarnoff
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Mehta asks James if it was his intention to use force to block the transfer of power. It sounds like James responded with a "No." James asked to speak openly; Mehta sent him into a (virtual) breakout room with Robin, his lawyer.

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Marisa Sarnoff
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And that's that - Joshua James officially makes the first guilty plea to a seditious conspiracy charge in the Jan. 6 prosecutions.

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Sedition
Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward rebellion against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent toward, or insurrection against, established authority. Wikipedia

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CritterLife 🇺🇸🏳️‍🌈🐿🏳️‍🌈🇺🇦@critter_life·1hI wonder how many people have the password to the account? 😂

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by ti-amie Ponch is this you running a spoof account on Twitter?


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ti-amie wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:56 pm Ponch is this you running a spoof account on Twitter?

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No, not me ;)
This thing is so ultimately looney that I really wonder which comedian could come up with it. A hard topic to read, as the tweets are so nested.

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ponchi101 wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:53 pm
ti-amie wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:56 pm Ponch is this you running a spoof account on Twitter?

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No, not me ;)
This thing is so ultimately looney that I really wonder which comedian could come up with it. A hard topic to read, as the tweets are so nested.
Jazz and I talked about how bad the threading has become on Twitter, what you call nesting. It's really hard to find the beginning of a thread now.

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Teri Kanefield @Teri_Kanefield

which brings me back to the only possibility that makes sense: he's scared.

And maybe trying to set things up to claim innocence later with his base (I tried to cooperate!) but after pleading the 5th and demanding immunity before he'll talk only Infowars people will believe it.

by ponchi101 NOBODY in the Trump camp is scared. They only have to hold until the midterms. Then the GOP takes over and Jan 6th will be declared a national holiday, to "remember the brave".
Because the democrats will simply not be able to find anything in less than these 2 1/2 years of government they will have.

by patrick The Republicans (House and Senate) have effectively with a little help from Manchin and Sinema killed whatever Biden and his administration planned. Meanwhile, the states controlled by Republicans have decided to repeat history from years ago by changing voting laws, abortion rights, critical race history and whatever else you can name.

by ponchi101 It is clear that the Senate is truly 52-48 GOP. And the GOP is simply playing a very destructive game: either we govern, or we won't let YOU govern.
I said it after the election. The chances that the USA won't break up are no longer zero. Because you truly have a lot of people longing to live in a country imagined by Margaret Atwood.

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by ponchi101 Let's not forget that Oracle owns and controls JAVA. And Java is an even more omnipresent software than Windows, iOS, Chrome or Linux. It is truly everywhere.
Makes you wonder what kind of manipulation it could achieve.

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ponchi101 wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 7:51 pm Let's not forget that Oracle owns and controls JAVA. And Java is an even more omnipresent software than Windows, iOS, Chrome or Linux. It is truly everywhere.
Makes you wonder what kind of manipulation it could achieve.
That was my first thought Ponchi. They needed someone like him.

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Long excerpt

January 6, 2021
6:42 a.m.: Katrina Pierson to Mark Meadows

Good morning. Praying for you, praying for the president and praying that I get through the day. Hopefully this latest nightmare will yield something positive.

7:30 a.m.: Mark Meadows to Rep. Jim Jordan

I have pushed for this. Not sure it is going to happen

8:08 a.m.: Mark Meadows to Rep. Mo Brooks

You are speaking this am

8:08 a.m.: Mark Meadows to Rep. Mo Brooks

Are you aware

8:54 a.m.: Mark Meadows to Sen. David Perdue

Any hope my friend

9:21 a.m.: Dana Bash to Mark Meadows

What is Trump doing to pence ?!!

9:30 a.m.: Sen. David Perdue to Mark Meadows

I don’t see it. I’ll call later this morning. We have to figure this out going forward. I am so sorry. I feel like I let you and POTUS down. Thank you for everything.

9:31 a.m.: Mark Meadows to Sen. David Perdue

David. You have NOTHING to apologize for. You have been a tremendous friend, supporter and statesman

9:33 a.m.: Rep. Mo Brooks to Mark Meadows

Did it in 10m. Thanks! Crowd roaring.

9:45 a.m.: Mark Meadows to Katrina Pierson

If you see a dead spot. Vern Jones wants to announce he is changing to Republican. If that works for you and schedule. I am fine with it. No pressure from me. Trust your judgement totally

10:16 a.m.: Katrina Pierson to Mark Meadows

Thank you. I almost had Caroline Wren escorted off the property.

10:16 a.m.: Katrina Pierson to Mark Meadows

I would have said no, and Don Jr agrees but someone from the WH approved it directly.

11:01 a.m.: Jason Miller to Mark Meadows, Bill Stepien, Hope Hicks, Dan Scavino, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner

FYI:

11:01 a.m.: Jason Miller to Mark Meadows, Bill Stepien, Hope Hicks, Dan Scavino, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner

1:17 p.m.: Mario Parker to Mark Meadows

Hey Chief, that Pence statement hit while he was still speaking. Was potus unaware that he was releasing that?

1:17 p.m.: Mario Parker to Mark Meadows

Will he be admonished for that?

2:12 p.m.: Jim Acosta to Mark Meadows

Will potus say something to tamp things down?

2:14 p.m.: Kristen Welker to Mark Meadows

Reaction to protester?

2:23 p.m.: Rep. Dan Bishop to Mark Meadows

2:28 p.m.: Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene to Mark Meadows

Mark I was just told there is an active shooter on the first floor of the Capitol Please tell the President to calm people This isn’t the way to solve anything

2:32 p.m.: Laura Ingraham to Mark Meadows

Hey Mark, The president needs to tell people in the Capitol to go home.

2:32 p.m.: Laura Ingraham to Mark Meadows

This is hurting all of us

2:33 p.m.: Laura Ingraham to Mark Meadows

He is destroying his legacy and playing into every stereotype … we lose all credibility against the BLM/Antifa crowd if things go South

2:34 p.m.: Carlton Huffman to Mark Meadows

You’ve earned a special place in infamy for the events of today. And if you’re the Christian you claim to be in your heart you know that

2:34 p.m.: Laura Ingraham to Mark Meadows

You can tell him I said this

2:35 p.m.: Mick Mulvaney to Mark Meadows

Mark: he needs to stop this, now. Can I do anything to help?

2:38 p.m.: Michael Shear to Mark Meadows

Hey mark. Protestors are literally storming the Capitol. Breaking windows on doors. Rushing in. Is Trump going to say something?

2:44 p.m.: Rep. Barry Loudermilk to Mark Meadows

It’s really bad up here on the hill.

2:44 p.m.: Rep. Barry Loudermilk to Mark Meadows

They have breached the Capitol.

2:45 p.m.: Jake Sherman to Mark Meadows

We are under siege in the cpaitol

2:45 p.m.: Jake Sherman to Mark Meadows

There’s an armed standoff at the house chamber door

2:45 p.m.: Jake Sherman to Mark Meadows

We’re all helpless

2:46 p.m.: Rep. Will Timmons to Mark Meadows

The president needs to stop this ASAP

2:47 p.m.: Mario Parker to Mark Meadows

Is Potus going to take the podium to quell this unrest?

2:48 p.m.: Mark Meadows to Rep. Barry Loudermilk

POTUS is engaging

2:49 p.m.: Rep. Barry Loudermilk to Mark Meadows

Thanks. This doesn’t help our cause.

2:49 p.m.: Mark Meadows to Rep. Will Timmons

We are doing it

2:53 p.m.: Jonathan Karl to Mark Meadows

What are you going to do to stop this? What is the president going to do?

2:53 p.m.: Donald Trump Jr. to Mark Meadows

He’s got to condem this (expletive). Asap. The captiol police tweet is not enough.

2:54 p.m.: Mark Meadows to Donald Trump Jr.

I am pushing it hard. I agree

2:56 p.m.: Rebecca Ballhaus to Mark Meadows

Hi Mark, do you have any comment on what we’re seeing at the Capitol right now? Does Potus plan to issue a more forceful call for calm?

2:58 p.m.: Donald Trump Jr. to Mark Meadows

This his one you go to the mattresses on. They will try to (expletive) his entire legacy on this if it gets worse.

2:58 p.m.: Donald Trump Jr. to Mark Meadows

I’m not convinced these are trump supporters either btw so we should be looking into that.

2:59 p.m.: Rep. Chip Roy to Mark Meadows

This is a (expletive)

3:02 p.m.: Jeremy Diamond to Mark Meadows

We are hearing DOD denied a request to deploy National Guard to the Capitol. Are you guys involved in that decision or is that solely DOD?

3:04 p.m.: Nancy Cook to Mark Meadows

Are you with potus right now? Hearing he is in the dining room watching this on TV…

3:04 p.m.: Rep. Jeff Duncan to Mark Meadows

POTUS needs to calm this (expletive) down

3:04 p.m.: Nancy Cook to Mark Meadows

Is he going to say anything to de-escalate apart from that Tweet?

3:09 p.m.: Reince Priebus to Mark Meadows

TELL THEM TO GO HOME !!!

3:13 p.m.: Tom Price to Mark Meadows

POTUS should go on air and defuse this. Extremely important.

3:13 p.m.: Alyssa Farah Griffin to Mark Meadows

Potus has to come out firmly and tell protestors to dissipate. Someone is going to get killed.

3:15 p.m.: Rep. Chip Roy to Mark Meadows

Fix this now.

3:20 p.m.: Katherine Faulders to Mark Meadows

If you want to dial in abc would take you live. Just throwing it out there…

3:21 p.m.: Anita Kumar to Mark Meadows

Is the President going to speak? Can you give me any info about what he’s doing?

3:21 p.m.: Mark Meadows to Rep. Chip Roy

We are

3:31 p.m.: Sean Hannity to Mark Meadows

Can he make a statement. I saw the tweet. Ask people to peacefully leave the capital

3:36 p.m.: Mark Meadows to Sean Hannity

On it

3:40 p.m.: Katrina Pierson to Mark Meadows

Note: I was able to keep the crazies off the stage. I stripped all branding of those nutty groups and removed videos of all of the psychos. Glad it fought it.

3:42 p.m.: Tom Cors to Mark Meadows

Pls have POTUS call this off at the Capitol. Urge rioters to disperse. I pray to you.

3:45 p.m.: Jason Miller to Mark Meadows and Dan Scavino

Call me crazy, but ideas for two tweets from POTUS: 1) Bad apples, likely ANTIFA or other crazed leftists, infiltrated today’s peaceful protest over the fraudulent vote count. Violence is never acceptable! MAGA supporters embrace our police and the rule of law and should leave the Capitol now! 2) The fake news media who encouraged this summer’s violent and radical riots are now trying to blame peaceful and innocent MAGA supporters for violent actions. This isn’t who we are! Our people should head home and let the criminals suffer the consequences!

3:46 p.m.: Weijia Jiang to Mark Meadows

Hi Mark, I hope you are safe and healthy. Any plans for the President to make public remarks?

3:47 p.m.: Weijia Jiang to Mark Meadows

When will he address the nation?

3:52 p.m.: Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene to Mark Meadows

Mark we don’t think these attackers are our people. We think they are Antifa. Dressed like Trump supporters.

3:52 p.m.: Jay Leutze to Mark Meadows

Mark, this assault in the Capitol is tragic for the country. Please call it off so the Congress can resume its peaceful debate. – Jay

3:57 p.m.: Kristen Welker to Mark Meadows

Is he coming out?

3:57 p.m.: Kristen Welker to Mark Meadows

He has to right?

3:57 p.m.: Raul Labrador to Mark Meadows

My friend - I weep for our country today. Somebody needs to come out and calm this down. I believed in Trump and I would probably object to the certification today. You guys need to get Trump to say something to calm down the people, a tweet is not enough. This is crazy. I pray that people of goodwill can act to bring the tensions down. Praying for you and our nation.

3:57 p.m.: Rep. Louie Gohmert to Mark Meadows

Cap Police told me last night they’d been warned that today there’d be a lot of Antifa dressed in red Trump shirts & hats & would likely get violent. Good that Trump denounces violence but could add & well demand justice for those who became violent & well get to the bottom of what group they’re with.

3:58 p.m.: Benjamin Tracy to Mark Meadows

Is POTUS going to address nation on camera at all?

3:58 p.m.: Brian Kilmeade to Mark Meadows

Please get him on tv. Destroying every thing you guys have accomplished

4:02 p.m.: Kristen Welker to Mark Meadows

Will he speak ?

4:03 p.m.: Katherine Faulders to Mark Meadows

Are you with him? Can anyone get through to him??

4:05 p.m.: Donald Trump Jr. to Mark Meadows

We need an oval address. He has to lead now. It’s gone too far and gotten out of hand

4:10 p.m.: Marjorie Dannenfelser to Mark Meadows



4:10 p.m.: Mark Meadows to Rep. Jeffrey Duncan

He is doing everything

4:11 p.m.: Donald Trump Jr. to Mark Meadows

Now Biden beating us to the punch

4:12 p.m.: Mark Meadows to Jeremy Diamond

Off the record. That is not correct.

4:13 p.m.: Jeremy Diamond to Mark Meadows

Yes, I’ve since seen the tweet from Kayleigh on the deployment of National Guard

4:13 p.m.: Jeremy Diamond to Mark Meadows

Will the President say or do anything to get this to stop? Hasn’t this all gone too far?

4:15 p.m.: Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler to Mark Meadows

We need to hear from the president. On TV. I hate that Biden jumped him on it

4:20 p.m.: Reince Priebus to Mark Meadows

Good that you made that video

4:21 p.m.: Tom Cors to Mark Meadows

thank you

4:51 p.m.: Joel Burgess to Mark Meadows

Mark - Joel Burgess from the Asheville Citizen Times here. What are your thoughts on the people who stormed the Capitol? Do you condemn their actions? How much is the President to blame for inciting them?

5:24 p.m.: Jay Leutze to Mark Meadows

Thank you. It’s a start.

6:20 p.m.: Jonathan Karl to Mark Meadows

Have you considered resigning?

6:42 p.m.: Eric Bolling to Mark Meadows

I stand with POTUS.. what can I do?

7:56 p.m.: Kristen Welker to Mark Meadows

What are you advising potus at this hour?

7:57 p.m.: Sean Hannity to Mark Meadows

Wth is happening with VPOTUS

8:42 p.m.: Sean Hannity to Mark Meadows



8:47 p.m.: Jason Miller to Mark Meadows

FLAGGING

8:47 p.m.: Jason Miller to Mark Meadows



8:59 p.m.: Nancy Cook to Meadows

Did POTUS ban Marc short from the WH today?

9:00 p.m.: Jason Miller to Mark Meadows

AP: GOP Sens. Loeffler, Daines, Braun shift, say they won’t object to Biden electors after pro-Trump attack on Capitol

9:00 p.m.: Stephen Hayes to Mark Meadows

Mark - I have a voicemail that Rudy Giuliani left for Senator Tuberville at about 7pm, urging the senator to slow the proceedings down so new evidence can be presented tomorrow. He introduces himself w/a suggestion he’s acting on behalf of the president, saying he’s the president’s lawyer. Did Pres Trump ask him to call? Did he know about this effort? I’m filing something shortly. Thanks. Steve

9:16 p.m.: Jennifer Jacobs to Mark Meadows



9:27 p.m.: Jennifer Jacobs to Mark Meadows

nbc says elaine chao considering resigning

9:49 p.m.: Al Weaver to Mark Meadows

Are you resigning

9:51 p.m.: Charles Herbster to Mark Meadows

From Charles W Herbster: I know all Hell is breaking loose so I want to ENCOURAGE YOU TO HANG IN THERE STAY STRONG and STEADFAST if I can help in anywhere please call or Text

9:56 p.m.: Mark Meadows to Charles Herbster

Thanks my friend. Really appreciate the note. I look forward to working with you in the future for our country’s benefit

10:01 p.m.: Jason Miller to Mark Meadows, Dan Scavino and Jared Kushner

Chief, Jared, Dan - below please find an approved statement from the President to go out right as they’re finalizing the votes, which we’re expecting to be 3am, though with some Members caving it could happen earlier. Mrs. Trump has also signed off. Nobody but the four of us have heard this statement. Regarding logistics, this likely should come from the WH, but it has to be ready to go out as they’re starting the final vote, and I’ll background that a statement will be coming at the time of the vote. Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, I have always said we would continue our fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. Nevertheless, there will be an orderly transition on January 20th. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it’s only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again.

10:02 p.m.: Charles Herbster to Mark Meadows

YOU ARE THE BEST THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR ALL OF US!!!!!!

10:10 p.m.: Jared Kushner to Mark Meadows, Jason Miller and Dan Scavino

Why don’t we post on his Facebook page since he isn’t locked out there…

10:13 p.m.: Dan Scavino to Mark Meadows, Jason Miller and Jared Kushner

I’ll be up, let me know when ok to drop, and it’s official…just got off w/them.

10:21 p.m.: Mark Meadows to Al Weaver

Off the record. No

10:30 p.m.: Kristen Welker to Mark Meadows

I’m hearing he’s going to concede - true?

10:47 p.m.: Kayla Tausche to Mark Meadows

Hi Congressman. Kayla from CNBC here. Are you planning to stay in the administration until 1/20? Do you have any reaction to reports that Cabinet secretaries are considering invoking the 25th amendment?

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Video of the attack on Officer Edwards

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by ponchi101 When you are violent, you are violent in everything. It is not a partitioned trait.

by ti-amie New details emerge of Oval Office confrontation three days before Jan. 6
Jeffrey Clark, a mid-level Justice Department official, wanted Trump to name him attorney general in a plan aimed at potentially overturning the election
By Michael Kranish
June 14, 2022 at 6:00 a.m. EDT

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Jeffrey Clark, assistant attorney general for the environment and natural resources division, speaks during a news conference, flanked by Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Andrew Wheeler, left, and Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, right, in September 2020. (Susan Walsh/Pool/AP)

Three days before Congress was slated to certify the 2020 presidential election, a little-known Justice Department official named Jeffrey Clark rushed to meet President Donald Trump in the Oval Office to discuss a last-ditch attempt to reverse the results.

Clark, an environmental lawyer by trade, had outlined a plan in a letter he wanted to send to the leaders of key states Joe Biden won. It said that the Justice Department had “identified significant concerns” about the vote and that the states should consider sending “a separate slate of electors supporting Donald J. Trump” for Congress to approve.

In fact, Clark’s bosses had warned there was not evidence to overturn the election and had rejected his letter days earlier. Now they learned Clark was about to meet with Trump. Acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen tracked down his deputy, Richard Donoghue, who had been walking on the Mall in muddy jeans and an Army T-shirt. There was no time to change. They raced to the Oval Office.

As Rosen and Donoghue listened, Clark told Trump that he would send the letter if the president named him attorney general.

As Rosen and Donoghue listened, Clark told Trump that he would send the letter if the president named him attorney general.

“History is calling,” Clark told the president, according to a deposition from Donoghue excerpted in a recent court filing. “This is our opportunity. We can get this done.”

Donoghue urged Trump not to put Clark in charge, calling him “not competent” and warning of “mass resignations” by Justice Department officials if he became the nation’s top law enforcement official, according to Donoghue’s account.

“What happens if, within 48 hours, we have hundreds of resignations from your Justice Department because of your actions?” Donoghue said he asked Trump. “What does that say about your leadership?”

Clark’s letter and his Oval Office meeting set off one of the tensest chapters during Trump’s effort to overturn the election, which culminated three days later with rioters storming the U.S. Capitol. His plan could have decapitated the Justice Department leadership and could have overturned the election.

Clark’s actions have been the focus of a Senate Judiciary Committee investigation and an ongoing probe by the Justice Department’s inspector general, and now are expected to be closely examined during June hearings by the House committee investigating the insurrection of Jan. 6, 2021.

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A reconstruction of the events by The Washington Post, based on the court filings, depositions, Senate and House reports, previously undisclosed emails, and interviews with knowledgeable government officials, shows how close the country came to crisis three days before the insurrection.

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Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), who participated in the Judiciary Committee’s investigation, said investigators should key in on whether Clark was working on behalf of others not yet identified.

“It certainly could be a symptom of a much larger and more coherent plan than has currently been disclosed,” Whitehouse said. Clark “does not appear to have elections expertise or experience, which raises the question, did he really sit down at his computer and type it out or does somebody produce it for him?”

Clark, who attended Harvard and got his law degree from Georgetown, built a career focused on environmental law at the Washington law firm of Kirkland & Ellis and served in the George W. Bush administration’s Justice Department.

Clark arrived at Trump’s Justice Department in 2018 to head an office that enforces environmental laws and regulations, and then in September 2020 became acting head of the department’s civil division.

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Clark would soon emerge as someone interested in pursuing Trump’s claims. He found a key ally in Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.), one of the earliest proponents of Trump’s voter fraud claims. Perry later told radio station WITF that he had worked with Clark on “various legislative matters” over the previous four years. When Perry called Donoghue in late December to complain that the Justice Department hadn’t sufficiently investigated the election, he mentioned Clark as someone “who could really get in there and do something about this,” according to the Senate Judiciary Committee majority report.

Shortly before Christmas, Clark and Perry met, according to the Senate report. Perry told WITF that “when President Trump asked if I would make an introduction, I obliged.” A Perry spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.

Clark then met with Trump in the Oval Office, according to the Senate report. When Rosen found out Clark had talked privately with Trump, he was livid, telling Clark in a Dec. 26 phone call that, “You didn’t tell me about it in advance. You didn’t get authorization. You didn’t tell me about it after the fact. This can’t happen,” according to Rosen’s interview with the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Clark was “somewhat apologetic” and promised he wouldn’t do it again without permission, according to Rosen. But Clark had already made an impression on the president. The next day, Trump told Rosen in a phone call that “people are very mad with the Justice Department” not investigating voter fraud and referred to having met with Clark.

Rosen told Trump that the Justice Department could not “flip a switch and change the election,” according to notes of the conversation cited by the Senate Judiciary Committee.

“I don’t expect you to do that,” Trump responded, according to the notes. “Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.” The president urged Rosen to “just have a press conference.”

Rosen refused. “We don’t see that,” he told Trump. “We’re not going to have a press conference.”

A top Clark associate, meanwhile, prepared to send him a draft of the letter to state legislatures.

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Kenneth Klukowski had arrived at the Justice Department just two weeks before the Oval Office meeting to become legal counsel to the civil division overseen by Clark.

At 4:20 p.m. on Dec. 28, 2020, he sent an email that has been a central mystery in the Clark episode. The email to Clark, obtained by The Post, has the subject line, “email to you,” and an attachment titled “Draft Letter JBC 12 28 20.docx.” The email text simply said “Attached.” The attached letter, which has been previously released, was titled “Pre-Decisional & Deliberative/Attorney-Client or Legal Work Product – Georgia Proof of Concept.”

The House committee has sought to determine if Klukowski wrote the letter and whether he did so alone. Klukowski is cooperating with the committee, according to two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a closed-door session.

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Twenty minutes after Klukowski sent the document, Clark sent Rosen and Donoghue an email with the subject line “Two Urgent Action Items.” One was an attachment of the letter that Klukowski had just sent to him. At the bottom of the letter was a place for it to be signed by Rosen, Donoghue and Clark.

“I set it up for signature by the three of us,” Clark wrote. “I think we should get it out as soon as possible.”

The second item was Clark’s request for an intelligence briefing about an allegation that the Chinese were controlling U.S.-based voting machines via internet-connected smart thermostats, a theory that the Justice Department had dismissed as not credible.

Donoghue said in his deposition that he found Clark’s proposed letter to state leaders and request for the intelligence briefing to be “very strange” and “completely inconsistent with the department’s role ...[and] with what our investigations to date, had revealed.”

“There’s no chance I would sign this letter or anything remotely like this,” Donoghue emailed Clark on the afternoon of Dec. 28, 2020. He stressed that the Justice Department investigations into possible fraud were so small that they “would simply not impact the outcome of the election.” Donoghue told Clark that asking the states to reconsider their certified election results “would be a grave step for the Department to take and could have tremendous constitutional, political, and social ramifications for the country.”

Rosen was stunned. He had known Clark for years and once had worked with him at Kirkland & Ellis. Rosen told the Senate committee that he wondered “what’s going on with Jeff Clark. That this is inconsistent with how I perceived him in the past.” At several points, Clark asked that the word “acting” be removed from his title as head of the civil division, which Rosen said he declined.

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With the meeting concluded, Rosen and Donoghue thought Clark’s effort was over. Clark told them, “I think they are good ideas. You don’t like them. Okay. Then, I guess we won’t do it,” according to Rosen’s Senate committee interview.

But Clark’s effort to woo Trump with his ideas was just beginning.

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Several days later, Rosen learned that Clark had once again met with Trump — and once again without informing him in advance, Rosen told the Senate committee. Clark told Rosen that Trump wanted him to consider becoming attorney general. Rosen was livid. “He says he won’t do it again. He did it again,” Rosen recalled. But Rosen said he did not have the authority to fire Clark, as he would have liked to do, because Clark was a presidential appointee.

Shortly after the clash between Clark and the senior Justice Department officials, Clark told Rosen that if he reversed his position and signed the letter to the Georgia legislature, then Rosen could remain attorney general, Rosen told the Senate committee. Rosen refused. Donoghue told Clark that “you went behind your boss’s back, and you’re proposing things that are outside your domain and you don’t know what you’re talking about,” Rosen told the Senate committee.

The following day, Jan. 3, 2021, Clark told Rosen that he had just talked with Trump and that “the president had decided to offer him the position, and he had decided to take it. So that I would be replaced that Sunday, and the department would chart a different path,” Rosen told the Senate committee.

“I don’t get to be fired by someone who works for me,” Rosen said he told Clark. Rosen then called and asked to meet with Trump.


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A meeting in the Oval Office was quickly arranged with Clark, Rosen, and other Justice Department and White House lawyers. Rosen found Trump sitting behind the Resolute Desk, while other White House and Justice Department officials took their seats. Donoghue, still in his muddy jeans and T-shirt, remained outside. The Post had just broken the news that Trump had a day earlier pressured Georgia’s secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, to find enough votes to win the state. Raffensperger had told Trump his allegations of fraud that could overturn the election were baseless.

While Donoghue was watching television coverage about The Post’s report, a White House official emerged and said, “The president wants you in this meeting.”

Around the time Donoghue entered, Clark was telling Trump that if he became attorney general he would “conduct real investigations that would, in his view, uncover widespread fraud,” Donoghue said in his House deposition. Clark vowed to send the letter he drafted to Georgia and other states and said that “this was a last opportunity to sort of set things straight with this defective election, and that he could do it, and he had the intelligence and the will and the desire to pursue these matters in the way that the president thought most appropriate.”

Everyone else in the room told Trump they opposed Clark, Donoghue said.

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Donoghue then told Trump that Clark had no qualification to be attorney general: “He’s never been a criminal attorney. He’s never conducted a criminal investigation in his life. He’s never been in front of a grand jury, much less a trial jury.”

Clark objected.

“Well, I’ve done a lot of very complicated appeals and civil litigation, environmental litigation, and things like that,” Clark said, according to Donoghue’s deposition.

“That’s right,” Donoghue said he responded. “You’re an environmental lawyer. How about you go back to your office, and we’ll call you when there’s an oil spill.”


Pat Cipollone, the White House counsel, told Trump that Clark’s proposed letter was “a murder-suicide pact,” according to Donoghue’s deposition. “It’s going to damage everyone who touches it. And we should have nothing to do with that letter. I don’t ever want to see that letter again.” Cipollone declined to comment.

Trump made his decision and turned to Clark.

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Clark had yet another idea. He asked whether Engel could provide a formal opinion about what authority Vice President Mike Pence had “when it comes to opening the votes” of the electoral college result on Jan. 6, according to an excerpt of Engel’s deposition in a recent court filing.

“That’s an absurd idea,” Engel said he responded, asserting it wasn’t the job of the Justice Department and noting only three days remained before Pence would perform his role. Trump interjected that he didn’t want anyone attending the meeting to talk to Pence about what to do on Jan. 6.

“Nobody should be talking to the vice president here,” Trump said, according to Engel. Instead, Trump would soon do that himself in an attempt to convince the vice president not to certify Biden’s election.

As the Justice Department officials filed out of the White House that night, one grave threat to American democracy had passed.

Three days later, after the president falsely said at a rally that “we won this election, and we won it by a landslide,” a pro-Trump mob broke into the Capitol.

Alice Crites contributed to this report.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ore-jan-6/

by ti-amie I would've fired the guy for insubordination the first time he went behind my back but that's just me.

Ponchi always says we were "this close" to becoming a dictatorship.

by ponchi101 You still are. Very close, because if he wins in 2024, and he has a very good chance, this time he won't leave.
Just see Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua.


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by ti-amie Proud Boy Accused of Seditious Conspiracy Reveals ‘1776 Returns’ Plan to ‘Fill’ Buildings with ‘Patriots’—But Denies It Was a Jan. 6 Blueprint
MARISA SARNOFFJun 15th, 2022, 5:27 pm

A document known as “1776 Returns” purported to lay out a plan for breaching legislative buildings surrounding the U.S. Capitol, as well as the Supreme Court and CNN.

Long discussed in court filings but never before made public, the document came to light on Wednesday in support of a motion from Zachary Rehl, a member of the Proud Boys extremist group. Rehl now shares an indictment with Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio. Both stand accused of seditious conspiracy in the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.

Prosecutors say that Tarrio received the “1776 Returns” file with a message from an unidentified individual: “The revolution is important than anything.”

However, Rehl’s attorney, Carmen Hernandez, claims that the document does not reflect plans to attack the Capitol.

“The 9-page document that was allegedly sent to Mr. Tarrio was not a plan to attack the Capitol and in any event, Tarrio did not share or discuss the document with Mr. Rehl or the other defendants,” Hernandez wrote, adding that her client “had no knowledge” of the document.

“1776 Returns,” Hernandez wrote, “is not a plan to attack the Capitol and does not even mention the Capitol. It refers to occupying Congressional office buildings.”

Hernandez doesn’t reveal the identity of the person who allegedly sent the document, although she does acknowledge that the sender is a “female acquaintance” of Tarrio.

“The document was never shared or otherwise discussed with Mr. Rehl,” Hernandez writes in the filing. “1776 Returns was sent to Mr. Tarrio by a female acquaintance. Mr. Rehl does not know the woman who sent the document and has not had any conversations with her.”

According to Hernandez, prosecutors have said that Tarrio did not forward “1776 Returns” to Rehl or the other defendants, nor did he discuss the document or its contents with them.”

“We Need As Many People As Possible Inside These Buildings.”

The first item in the document’s brief table of contents: “Storm the Winter Palace.”

Included in the “Overall Goal” section of the document:
Fill the buildings with patriots and communicate our demands.

To maintain control over a select few, but crucial buildings in the DC area for a set period of time, presenting our demands in unity. (see attached list of demands in “Patriot Plan” section).

We need many people as possible inside these buildings. These are OUR buildings, they are just renting space. We must show our politicians We the People are in charge.
A list of “Targeted Buildings” included office buildings dedicated to members of both the Senate and House of Representatives, along with the Supreme Court. Three of those Capitol complex office buildings—Raymond, Longworth and Cannon—were the site of a tour by Rep. Barry Loudermilk (R-Ga.) on Jan. 5, 2021, the day before the siege, according to the Jan. 6th Committee.

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This map is included in the “1776 Returns” document at the bottom of the story.

Also on the targeted buildings list: “CNN – at least egg doorway,” the document said.

The third page of the document laid out “Manpower Needs,” with five distinct roles for each of the targeted buildings.

A “Covert Sleeper,” was tasked with setting up a “fake appointment” and was “expected to spend the day as our insider and let people inside the building.” This person had a backup, who “will also need to make a fake appointment.”

Each building would have a dedicated “Hypeman” to lead chants and “maintain energy/presence,” while a “Recruiter” was supposed to lead “gathering patriots” to the “starting point” for each building and “spread the word” about the plan.

As for “patriots” themselves, the plan called for at least 50 in each building, “or it’s a no go for that building.”

A note under the “preparation” to take place from Jan. 1 through Jan. 5 included the suggested to “se Covid to your advantage. Pack huge facemasks and face shields, protect your identity.”

“Do Not Look Tactical At All.”

The document instructed people to prepare for Jan. 6 as the “execution day.” They were told to “drive around buildings and areas before daylight to check on any roadblocks and update plans accordingly.”

The rest of the day was to follow five steps.

The first step, “Infiltrate,” as to have “leads and seconds” stay inside the building “until called upon execution time.” They were told to “e dressed in suits and unsuspecting, do not look tactical at all.”

During the next step, “Execution,” the people planted inside the buildings were to open the doors to the gathering crowd.

“This might include causing trouble near the front doors to distract guards who may be holding the doors off,” the document says. It also suggested pulling fire alarms, presumably allowing the exits to open.

Part three of the plan was to cause distractions “if necessary.”

“Distract law enforcement in the area by pulling other fire alarms around the city,” the document instructed. “This is ONLY to be done at the right time and if _______ makes the call.”

The name of the person who was expected to make the call was not included in the document.

Part four, “Occupy,” instructed rioters to “present our list of demands,” including such slogans as “Liberty or Death,” No Trump, No America,” and “We are watching.”

The final step, “Sit In,” appears unfinished. After instructing people to target offices of specific senators (none of whom are named at this point), a note in all caps reads: “WHATS [sic] THE ENDING POINT FOR THIS? Does everyone just leave at a certain time? WHO DOES GOV RESPOND TO?”

The second-to-last page was a form with blank spaces for each of the “Man Power” assignments.

The final page of instructions—and the only one intended to be publicly distributed—detailed the plan’s logistics for the day.

“You are the revolution,” the document said. “Be a part of history & fight for this country so our children don’t have to. It’s all or nothing Patriots, boldness and bravery is necessary.”

It appears that the “1776 Returns” plan included a handout detailing a demand for a “new election” to be held on Jan. 20. That “election” would be held using only paper ballots, would require each voter to present identification, and would be “[m]onitored by National Guard.”

Notably, a “Special Mention” at the bottom of the demands page issued a warning to some top-level GOP officials—Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), and then-Vice President Mike Pence—as well as Microsoft founder Bill Gates.

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, however, received no such warnings.

“We the people love you,” the document said.

“1776 Returns” was initially referenced in court filings when Tarrio was first indicted in March. He has since been charged in a superseding indictment with seditious conspiracy.

https://lawandcrime.com/u-s-capitol-bre ... blueprint/

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by ti-amie Justice Dept. expands Jan. 6 probe with fresh subpoenas
Prosecutors appear focused on how political activists supporting Donald Trump tried to use invalid electors to thwart Joe Biden’s 2020 victory.
By Spencer S. Hsu, Josh Dawsey and Devlin Barrett
Updated June 22, 2022 at 4:50 p.m. EDT|Published June 22, 2022 at 2:59 p.m. EDT

Federal agents investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday dropped subpoenas on people in at least two states, in what appeared to be a widening probe of how political activists supporting President Donald Trump tried to use invalid electors to thwart Joe Biden’s 2020 electoral victory.

Agents conducted court authorized law enforcement activity Wednesday morning at two locations, FBI officials confirmed to The Washington Post. One was the home of Brad Carver, a Georgia lawyer who allegedly signed a document claiming to be a Trump elector. The other was the Virginia home of Thomas Lane, who worked on the Trump campaign’s efforts in Arizona and New Mexico. The FBI officials did not identify the people associated with those addresses, but public records list each of the locations as the home addresses of the men.

Separately, at least some of the would-be Trump electors in Michigan also received subpoenas on Wednesday, according to a person who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. But it was not immediately clear whether that activity was related to a federal probe or a state-level criminal inquiry.

The precise nature of the information being sought by the Justice Department at the homes of Carver and Lane wasn’t immediately clear.

Officials have previously said that the Justice Department and FBI were examining the issue of false electors, whom Trump and others hoped might be approved by state legislators in a last-ditch bid to keep Trump in the White House. Until now, however, those investigative efforts seemed to primarily involve talking to people in Republican circles who knew of the scheme and objected; the subpoenas issued Wednesday suggest the Justice Department is now moving to question at least some of those who allegedly agreed to pursue the effort.

FBI agents delivered a subpoena to Lane Wednesday morning at his home in Virginia, according to the person who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. After leaving the Trump campaign, Lane has worked for the Republican National Committee’s election efforts in Virginia, this person said.

Phone messages left for Lane were not immediately returned. Carver, the Georgia lawyer, also did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment. Public records list an address for Lane in south Arlington, and an FBI spokeswoman confirmed agents conducted “court-authorized law enforcement activity” at that address on Wednesday morning.

The new investigative moves by the Justice Department come amid a series of high-profile congressional hearings examining not just the riot at the Capitol, but also Trump’s efforts to undo Biden’s electoral victory through fake electors, lobbying the Justice Department and false claims of massive voter fraud.

Arizona and Georgia officials testified Tuesday to the House select committee about the activities launched by Trump and his inner circle of advisers directed at those states. On Thursday, the panel will hold a hearing featuring testimony from former Justice Department officials.

The Post has reported an uptick in the number of violent threats against lawmakers serving on that panel, with three people involved in the Jan. 6 legislative probe saying committee members are all likely to receive a security detail.

Earlier this year, the Justice Department sent subpoenas and sought interviews with some of the 15 people around the country who were slated to be Trump electors if he had won their states — but were replaced by other Trump supporters on the day of the electoral college vote, several people told The Post.

Some of those Republicans have told The Post they didn’t participate as electors because Biden had won the popular vote in their state and they did not think the gatherings were appropriate; others said they declined to participate because they were ill or had scheduling conflicts.

Among those who refused to participate were Pennsylvania Republican Party Chairman Lawrence Tabas, an election-law expert who had defended Trump in 2016 against a recount push by Green Party candidate Jill Stein; former congressman Tom Marino (R-Pa.), one of the first members of Congress to endorse Trump’s presidential campaign; and Georgia real estate investor John Isakson, son of the late Republican senator Johnny Isakson.

Those earlier subpoenas sought all documents since Oct. 1, 2020, related to the electoral college vote, as well as any election-related communications with roughly a dozen people in Trump’s inner circle, including Rudy Giuliani, Bernard Kerik, Boris Epshteyn, Jenna Ellis and John Eastman.

One would-be Trump elector in Georgia, Patrick Gartland, had been appointed to the Cobb County Board of Elections and Registration and believed that post meant serving as an elector would have created a conflict of interest for him. Still, two FBI agents recently came to his home with a subpoena and asked whether he had any contact with Trump advisers around the time of the November election. “They wanted to know if I had talked to Giuliani,” Gartland said.

The hearings on Capitol Hill have increased public pressure on the Justice Department to more aggressively investigate Trump and those close to him for their roles in the run-up to Jan. 6.

But senior Justice Department officials have also complained to the panel that prosecutors need access to the transcripts of more than 1,000 private committee interviews, and said that not having those transcripts jeopardizes the pending trial of five members of the Proud Boys extremist group accused of seditious conspiracy for their role in the riot. The federal judge handling that case on Wednesday ordered another trial delay, from August 8 until December.

More than 820 individuals have already been charged by the Justice Department for their roles in the Jan. 6 attack, making it the largest investigation in the department’s history. Hundreds more people are being sought.

Earlier this year, prosecutors significantly expanded their investigation by issuing subpoenas to those who involved in the preparations for the rally that preceded the riot.

This is a developing story.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... subpoenas/

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by ponchi101 Oh, the poor darlings. I am going to go full macho here and simply say: "REAL MEN don't cry when they get sentenced to prison because they were such REAL MEN that they decided to throw a coup".

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by ponchi101 I have posted this before. The USA has to really look into WHY and HOW this group of traitors were able to reach so deep into the country's echelon of power.
And Tiny has to be first.

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ti-amie wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:23 pm
I think anything can be retreived; therefore, I call BS on this one unless someone can tell me a justifiable reason otherwise.

by ponchi101 There are apps that can delete permanently, but, of course, you must have those installed.
Even then, I am sure the NSA has software that could recover most. So, the real, only way to delete all messages and make them impossible to recover would be by doing a hard factory reset, and nobody is going to do that daily.
Or, you can go Ponchi-Paranoid, connect to your PC, and have an antivirus software such as Webroot delete the trash folder with several passes. That I don't think can be recovered. So they say (Webroot).

by ti-amie I was wondering if they were actually using burner phones and that those were then discarded? I don't know enough about that stuff to make an informed judgment.

by ponchi101 Burner phones could be a solution, but why would a SS agent have one of those? It would be like an immediate admission that you are planning to do something odd.

by ti-amie There were reports of Tiny sending an aide out to buy one for him during the run up to J6.

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She began by quoting Anthony Bourdain. How could I not post this?

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Paywalled

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by ti-amie Jane McManus
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About to find out if Alex Jones hung onto his Jan. 6 texts longer then the Secret Service, the Pentagon, DHS...

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by ti-amie Extraordinary statements by presiding Judge Amit Mehta at the sentencing of one of the J6 terrorists.











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by ti-amie Justice Dept. Issues 40 Subpoenas in Jan. 6 Inquiry
It also seized the phones of two top Trump advisers, a sign of an escalating investigation two months before the midterm elections.

By Glenn Thrush, Maggie Haberman, Adam Goldman and Alan Feuer
Sept. 12, 2022, 5:15 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department has issued about 40 subpoenas over the past week seeking information about the actions of former President Donald J. Trump and his associates related to the 2020 election and the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, according to people familiar with the situation.

Two top Trump advisers, Boris Epshteyn and Mike Roman, had their phones seized as evidence, those people said.

The department’s actions represent a substantial escalation of a slow-simmer investigation two months before the midterm elections, coinciding with a separate inquiry into Mr. Trump’s hoarding of sensitive documents at his residence in Florida, Mar-a-Lago.

Among those the department has contacted since Wednesday are people who are close to the former president and have played significant roles in his post-White House life.

Those receiving the subpoenas included Dan Scavino, Mr. Trump’s former social media director who rose from working at a Trump-owned golf course to one of his most loyal aides and has remained an adviser after Mr. Trump left office. Stanley Woodward, one of Mr. Scavino’s lawyers, declined to comment.

The Justice Department also executed search warrants to seize electronic devices from people involved in the so-called fake electors effort in swing states, including Mr. Epshteyn, a longtime Trump adviser, and Mr. Roman, a campaign strategist, according to people familiar with the events. Federal agents made the seizures last week, the people said.

Mr. Epshteyn and Mr. Roman did not respond to requests for comment.

A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment.

Bernard Kerik, a former New York City Police commissioner who promoted baseless claims of voter fraud alongside his friend Rudolph W. Giuliani, was issued a subpoena by prosecutors with the U.S. attorneys office in Washington, D.C., his lawyer Timothy Parlatore said on Monday. Mr. Parlatore said his client had initially offered to grant an interview voluntarily.

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The subpoenas seek information in connection with the plan to submit slates of electors pledged to Mr. Trump from swing states that were won by Joseph R. Biden Jr. in the 2020 election. Mr. Trump and his allies promoted the idea that competing slates of electors would justify blocking or delaying certification of Mr. Biden’s Electoral College victory during a joint session of Congress on Jan. 6, 2021.

Some of the subpoenas also seek information into the activities of the Save America political action committee, the main political fund-raising conduit for Mr. Trump since he left office, a new line of inquiry.

For months, associates of Mr. Trump have received subpoenas related to other aspects of the investigations into his efforts to cling to power. But the fact that the Justice Department is now seeking information related to fund-raising comes as the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack has raised questions about money Mr. Trump solicited under the premise of fighting election fraud.

The new round of subpoenas were issued for a wide range of people around Mr. Trump, from low-level aides to his most senior advisers.

The Justice Department has spent more than a year focused on investigating hundreds of rioters who were on the ground at the Capitol on Jan. 6. But this spring, they started issuing grand jury subpoenas to people like Ali Alexander, a prominent organizer with the pro-Trump Stop the Steal group, who helped plan the march to the Capitol after Mr. Trump gave a speech that day at the Ellipse near the White House.

While it remains unclear how many subpoenas had been issued in that early round, the information they sought was broad.

According to one subpoena obtained by The New York Times, the subpoenas asked for any records or communications from people who organized, spoke at or provided security for Mr. Trump’s rally at the Ellipse. They also requested information about any members of the executive and legislative branches who may have taken part in planning or executing the rally, or tried to “obstruct, influence, impede or delay” the certification of the presidential election.

By early summer, the grand jury investigation took another turn as a flurry of subpoenas was issued to state lawmakers and state Republican officials allied with Mr. Trump who took part in a plan to create fake slates of pro-Trump electors in several key swing states that were actually won by Joseph R. Biden Jr.

At least 20 of these subpoenas were sent out and sought information about, and communications with, several lawyers who took part in the fake elector scheme, including Mr. Giuliani and John Eastman.

Around the same time, federal investigators seized Mr. Eastman’s cellphone and the phone of another lawyer, Jeffrey Clark, whom Mr. Trump had sought at one point to install as the acting attorney general. Mr. Clark had his own role in the fake elector scheme: In December 2020, he helped draft a letter to Gov. Brian Kemp of Georgia, saying that the state’s election results had been marred by fraud and recommending that Mr. Kemp convene a special session of the Georgia legislature to create a slate of pro-Trump electors.

At least some of the new subpoenas also requested all records that the recipient turned over to the House committee investigating Jan. 6, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Michael Schmidt and Katie Benner contributed reporting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/12/us/p ... 6-doj.html

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January 21 2025.
Newly Appointed AG Donald Trump Jr. cancelled the 3,276 investigations currently running on newly re-elected President Donald Trump, together with a yet unknown number of investigations, subpoenas, citations and probes on approximately 97 current and former Trump associates.
AG Trump Jr. gathered all evidence, consisting on millions of pages of documents, several pico-bytes of storage media, and 787 subpoenad smartphones and set them on fire in the DOJ backyard.
He also passed legislation to have the DOJ dissolved, which is expected to pass the newly GOP controlled senate along party lines, 61-39.

Prominent Democrat senators were unable to offer opinions on the move, as they all were imprisoned earlier in the morning.

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by ti-amie I dunno. He found his way there on that day, he "rambled on" about BLM and antifa (I would like to know what he said during his rambling" and got an 8 month sentence at home with his parents.

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by ponchi101 I know that these are proper procedures and the sentencing has been adequate.
But the people really responsible are not even being tried.

by ti-amie It's like prosecuting a crime family. You know who is at the top but you can't touch them right away so you take out the underlings one by one until the head of the organization is left standing almost alone.

That's how I think of it.

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by ponchi101 November 14th. Congress and the Senate will be in the hands of the GOP. Tiny will be :rofl: about that subpoena.
This is typical of so many organizations. They want to do everything so perfectly, they end up doing nothing.

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by ti-amie Ohio Man Who Blamed Trump for Storming of Capitol Gets 3 Years in Prison
Dustin Byron Thompson, 38, an unemployed exterminator from Columbus, based his defense on the argument that he had been following orders from the president on Jan. 6, 2021.

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Dustin Byron Thompson, right, turned himself in on Jan. 25, 2021, in Columbus, Ohio, to face federal charges in connection with the Jan. 6, 2021, riot in Washington.Credit...Joshua A. Bickel/The Columbus Dispatch, via Associated Press

An Ohio man who said that Donald J. Trump was responsible for his decision to storm the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, and steal a bottle of bourbon and a coat rack was sentenced on Friday to three years in prison, the authorities said.

In sentencing the man, Dustin Byron Thompson, 38, Judge Reggie Walton of U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia told Mr. Thompson, who apologized and said that he was ashamed of his actions, that he could not understand how someone with a college degree could “go down the rabbit hole” and believe so strongly in a lie, according to The Associated Press. Judge Walton had previously said that he found Mr. Thompson’s explanation that Mr. Trump was responsible for Mr. Thompson’s behavior “disingenuous.”

Mr. Thompson was convicted by a jury in April of a felony charge of obstructing an official proceeding and five misdemeanors, including theft of government property.

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Judge Hogan is going to vary downward. He's also going to allow him to report after the 1st of the year. The sentence is 36 months of incarceration followed by 36 months of supervised release.

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She's now saying she was being sarcastic.

by dryrunguy Every now and then I remember something quite alarming--MTG was a cute, innocent little baby once. Just like Damien Thorn.

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dryrunguy wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:20 pm Every now and then I remember something quite alarming--MTG was a cute, innocent little baby once. Just like Damien Thorn.
Advocating for retroactive abortions, aren't you? ;)

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ponchi101 wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:20 pm
dryrunguy wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:20 pm Every now and then I remember something quite alarming--MTG was a cute, innocent little baby once. Just like Damien Thorn.
Advocating for retroactive abortions, aren't you? ;)
Don't give me any ideas!

by skatingfan Here's a cheery read about the attendees at the New York Young Republican Club Gala.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/202 ... -total-war

by ponchi101 "The language of pure, unadulterated power"
I bet it sounds great in German.
Wow.

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skatingfan wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:42 am Here's a cheery read about the attendees at the New York Young Republican Club Gala.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/202 ... -total-war
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by dryrunguy When people need a chart to keep track of who's guilty of what, you might be mixed up in something troublesome. Just sayin'...

by ponchi101 Pretty much an Excel table. Who knows how many rows.

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He's saying upstairs because there is another J6 trial in the same building and he's covering it.

by Owendonovan All those Jan. 6 rioters are trash.

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by Owendonovan How does Ashli Babbitt's mother figure in these proceedings? Why is she there? Her daughter got what she had coming to her for what she was doing.

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Owendonovan wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:29 am How does Ashli Babbitt's mother figure in these proceedings? Why is she there? Her daughter got what she had coming to her for what she was doing.
One of the best Karen Walker statements ever. "Not in the lie" Owen. Not in the lie.


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What are the odds he’s qualified to own a gun, though.

by ponchi101 The last part. Own a gun, and buy more? Sure, no problem.

by Owendonovan "Autism", mmmhmmm.

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Owendonovan wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:26 pm "Autism", mmmhmmm.
This is so annoying! It's like they went neurodisability shopping.

by ti-amie The trial of the Proud Boys organization including Tarrio has been going on for about a month now. The live tweets are full of performative objections like the antics of the GQP during the SOTU address. The defense for those on trial did not want the jury to see the video from the Presidential debate in September 2020. The jurors have seen it.


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More sidebar discussion about different chat groups that the organization used.

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by ti-amie Pence receives subpoena from prosecutors examining Trump’s role in Jan. 6
It is unclear whether Pence will comply with the subpoena, which pits a potential 2024 rival against the former president.
By Josh Dawsey and Perry Stein
Updated February 9, 2023 at 9:00 p.m. EST|Published February 9, 2023 at 8:03 p.m. EST

Former Vice President Mike Pence received a subpoena from the special counsel investigating key aspects of the sprawling probe into the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol and former president Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the election, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Jack Smith — the special counsel appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland to lead the day-day operations of the investigation — is also heading a separate criminal probe into Trump’s possible mishandling of classified documents at his Florida home.

The Pence subpoena is related to Jan. 6, according to the person familiar with the matter, and comes after months of negotiations between the Justice Department and Pence.

ABC News first reported news of the subpoena. A spokesman for the special counsel declined to comment. A spokesman for Pence also declined to comment.

The subpoena marks the highest level person in Trump’s orbit publicly known to be subpoenaed as part of the investigation and could pit two potential presidential candidates against one another and is the latest indication that the extensive probe is pushing forward.

It is unclear whether Pence will comply with the recent subpoena. His advisers had previously said he was not interested in appearing before the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. Pence has told people privately that he has concerned about testifying against Trump because of executive privilege, according to the person familiar with the matter.

Pence is presumably the only witness to one-on-one conversations he had with Trump, and prosecutors may feel they need to, at a minimum, attempt to get his version of events under oath.

The court-issued inquiry to Pence comes as Smith’s probe has been intensifying. Last December, a grand jury issued a wide-ranging subpoena to Trump campaign officials, asking questions about Jan. 6 and who was footing their legal bills, The Washington Post previously reported.

The Post also reported that subpoenas were received in late November and December by local and state election officials in states that Biden narrowly won and where Trump and his allies claimed there was fraud.

During the attack on the Capitol, many rioters chanted “Hang Mike Pence!” because they were angry that Pence didn’t use his position to help overturn the election.

As that insurrection was unfolding, Trump tweeted that Pence “didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done.”

Pence has publicly offered an account about his version of what occurred and how he has viewed Trump’s actions that day, in his book issued late last year, “So Help Me God,” and his interviews promoting it.

The former vice president publicly suggested that Trump got bad legal advice and downplayed the idea that he saw criminal conduct.

“Well, I don’t know if it is criminal to listen to bad advice from lawyers,” Pence told NBC last year. “The truth is, what the president was repeating is what he was hearing from that gaggle of attorneys around him. Presidents, just like all of us that have served in public life, you have to rely on your team, you have to rely on the credibility of the people around you. So, as time goes on, I hope we can move beyond this, beyond that prospect. And this is really a time when our country ought to be healing.”

Pence also said in an interview with ABC’s “World News Tonight that Trump’s rhetoric was “reckless” and that the former president’s actions “endangered” members of the Pence family and those trapped inside the building that day.

In a separate matter, federal law enforcement officials are also in discussions with Pence’s legal team to perform a consensual search of his Indiana home to ensure there are no classified materials on his property, according to a person familiar with the matter.

In late January, a lawyer for Pence said that the former vice president brought in outside counsel with experience handling classified materials to search records stored in his Indiana home “out of an abundance of caution” after news broke that materials were discovered on personal properties of President Biden’s home.

The lawyer, Greg Jacob, said in a Jan. 18 letter to the National Archives that counsel “identified a small number of documents that could potentially contain sensitive or classified information interspersed throughout the records.” Jacob said that Pence was “ready and willing to cooperate fully.”

Garland has appointed a second special counsel, Robert Hur, to oversee the investigation into the classified materials discovered at Biden’s personal properties.

The attorney general has not commented on the materials found at Pence’s property.

Devlin Barrett contributed to this report.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... ena-jan-6/

by ponchi101 Serious question here.
I know that it went down the drain during Tiny's regime. But: what is the status with a US Subpoena? I thought that this was the sort of thing that, if you did not comply, several black vans with tinted windows went to your house, big burly men with aviator Ray Bans and microphones in their ears knocked your door down and roped you, before kicking you down some court room's door for whatever you were subpoenaed AND now contempt of the law.
What is it that these people simply treat this like a Home Owners Association notice for you to leash your dog?

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ti-amie wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:34 pm
There's some white privilege for ya.

by ti-amie Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney@bird.makeup
Among the exhibits in yesterday's Proud Boys trial: A photo ofthe speaker's lobby before the mob reached the doors.

Look at the furniture piled up as a barricade (right).

And note the black escape hood box on the table (left)

(Here the left is the first picture. The right is the second.

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ti-amie wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:15 pm
Waiting for this to boomerang back to McCarthy.

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... Judge Kelly doesn't want to spend more time on Tucker Carlson with jury waiting.
Kelly now also overrules an objection (by Sabino Jauregui for defendant Enrique Tarrio) to evidence about attempted phone calls in the middle of J6 between Tarrio & a "conspirator." ...
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The FBI has arrested Kenneth SCHULZ, who entered the Capitol on Jan. 6 moments before Jacob Chansley and joined confrontation with Capitol Police outside Senate chamber. https://storage.courtlistener.com/reca

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by ponchi101 Princeton? And he was with the MAGA crowd? Man, dad must be really sorry he is throwing away all that money.

by ti-amie When Princeton throws him out he'll say he's a victim of cancel culture.

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of guys going to Wash Monument at 10am?
A: dont know if that was original plan.
M: Mr. Jauregui showed you parts of video, and asked why you did certain things?
yes
M: your answer was: not much reason?
correct
M: you had no role whatsoever in deciding where this group

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went, right?
didn't have a job
M: when leaders moved, you moved?
correct
M: when they stopped, you stopped?
yes
M: didn't ask why?
no.

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Alonso iis heated up a bit more, saying his yellow shirt with black laurels on the chest is not related to Proud Boys.
"Its a Fred Perry shirt, is it illegal to wear a fred perry shirt?"

by ponchi101 Cut a deal, proud boy. Cut a deal.

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Jauregui: Did Tarrio ever use "coptifa"
Alonso isn't sure, maybe.
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Jauregui: FBI never tried to find out the truth from you?
Alonso: I've never spoke to an FBI agent in my life

J; On. 1/6, were you your own man that day?
A: It was every man for himself.
J: Were you aware of any mass hysteria that controlled people's minds on 1/6?
A: No

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Jauregui: Are you sure you weren't just a tool to be manipulated on Jan. 6?
Alonso: No
J: Why didn't you go inside the Capitol on 1/6

This is a bit of ramble, but I got as much of it as I could:
Alonso: because of things I started seeing, where i got to part where i said i wanted to go back, there were too many things i saw that didn't make sense to me that were not normal. there's something screwy going on here. let's go back, nobody's-- don't go in there....

Alonso long answer continued: ...and then police is a pointing a gun at me, and then 50 yds away, i see police going like this to people and i see windows open with flags out and people waving them, I'm thinking how the heck did they get there so quick. things didn't add up...
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Alonso cont: ...and didn't make sense. i thought this was bad bad idea to be there.

Alonso continued and said it was cold, he was tired, he waited for other guys to come out and find him but "we left while it was still daylight out"

Did Alonso know police had been hurt when he was hanging back?
Alonso: Did i hear things? yeah.
Did police officers deserve to be hurt?
Alonso: Nobobdy deserves to be hurt.

Sabino Jauregui for Tarrio: Did you tell the truth and nothing but the truth today?
Objection. Overruled.
Alonso: Yes sir.

Jauregui has ended his redirect of defense witness Fernando Alonso.

Now there's a sidebar with the husher on.

Husher off.
Kelly dismisses the jury for the day, tells them we'll be back at 9 a.m tomorrow ET (Tuesday). He also warns them - no media! no independent investigation!

And that does it.

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I covered the pre-trial Daubert hearing where Isaacs' attorney, Charles Greene, made it pretty clear he was going to make his client's autism the centerpiece of his defense no matter what the judge or anyone else thought about it.

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Via Scott MacFarlane:

TWO MORE: Justice Dept announces another pair of #Jan6 #arrests. They allege Heather Kepley of Delaware & Anthony Nolf of Pennsylvania "joined other rioters in attempting to force their way past the (police officers) responsible for securing the tunnel"

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Also of note: Robert Sanford went to a cult deprogrammer.

“Mr. Sanford was confronted with facts about the ‘stolen election’ conspiracy theory among others and how psychological manipulation is used to indoctrinate the followers of a conspiracy."

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This is an amazing exchange between the Judge and Carmen Hernandez, lawyer for a Proud Boy who is testifying.

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Kelly: Has door been opened at all to notion that Mr Rehl used images of violence from prior rallies to encourage ppl to join the PBs based on his testimony already given. I've looked at transcript and saw what Mr. Kenerson laid out...

Kelly: I don't see how that door is not opened. That doesn't suggest all this video material are in at all but I don't see how that isn't impeaching of him in some degree to extent he's sending certain materials out there...

Kelly cont: ...saying implicitly or explicitly, we want ppl to join PBs because of this

Kelly is reading the transcript from Rehl's testimony from this portion now, asking Hernandez to address it in court.

Hernandez: That video the govt is trying to introduce did not mention the Proud Boys or recruiting for the PBs
Kelly: ok, just stay with me, before we get to the factual particulars, do you agree that opens the door tot he concept of recruiting based on violent videos?

Hernandez: As I tried to lay out in the emails, I don't think any of this is relevant
Kelly: Please stay on topic, we will never get through this if you don't stay on topic. Why hasn't door been opened
Hern: Because he doesn't ---
Kelly now reprimands her for turning her head.

It is heated now.
Kelly and Hernandez are going back and forth, voices raised. Kelly tells Hernandez she is being disrespectful.
"Listen to me right now, stay on topic and look at me respectfully, do you understand?" Kelly says

Hernandez: I always look at you respectfully and always respect the court's ruling. Which is not the case on the other side. I turn around so I do not disrespect the court
Kelly: No no that's an inherent problem

The problem i I have obligation under 6th A to represent my client. I understand the court is Hernandez: No, I'm asking a question and I try to respond to the court first.
Kelly: The reason I cut you off, and I'm sorry for that is because I tee something up for you...

Kelly cont:.. and you don't address it.... if I don't focus you on the question, we'll never get through this. Whether I do it or not, I don't want you turning your back to me disrespectfully again.
Hernandez: I would request the court allow me to make a record

Kelly: you're entitled, I'm trying to make an evidentiary ruling but you don't have a right to wander onto topics I haven't asked you about. so I'm asking you to address the question of whether door has been opened to impeach your client

Hernandez: my answer, as i put in email, i do not believe so for multiple reasons.

Her phone then goes off.

Kelly: And on top of that, let me remind counsel to turn off all of their devices.

Hernandez: I feel as if my ability to present direct examination has been hampered and I feel we have to present these issues in a scrambled manner.
That's the background of why I'm a little annoyed with this process...

Hernandez, a few moments later, says Rehl has been doxxed by an anti-fascist.
"Does he personally have some animus towards these people who believe they are violent? Yes. Have i brought that into the case? No. because I think that's irrelevant. But if govt is going to try...

Hern cont: "...and bring this video in, I think he's entitled to explain why in private msgs with his mother and brother he was talking nastily, not nastily, he was justified in feeling he was attacked. and its not personal, he wasn't the only person attacked by this person."

Rehl was fired from his job because of the doxxer, had a brick thrown through his home,... client should be able to explain why he felt this way.
shows restraint on his part

Let's back up and not talking aboubt things I haven't admitted but what I have through pre-trial rulings over defense objection, obviously. But I have admitted certain postings and reposting of certain videos as relevant after election related to rallies and rally-related conduct

Kelly: as evidence of the defendant's intent and motive. Your client is testifying on the stand that he did not do, all the things he did not do, and testifying about, in part, his motive and intent on 1/6. I don't see in any world in which the things I've already admitted as ...

K cont: ...relevant to his motive & intent are not in play in his cross-examination. I guess, I'm flabbergasted Ms. Hernandez that you would say, I don't think any of this could be part of his cross because he has chosen to testify as is his right & he's chosen to, in summary...

Kelly: assert his innocence on the stand, which is of course his right. But I don't understand how -- again, let's put aside things I haven't admitted -
Hernandez: the video they want to introduce is something you've already excluded

Kelly, I'm aware, but things ive already admitted for his motivation and intent are going to be permitted for his cross.....
Hernan: Obviously...
Kelly: ... I just want to keep in perspective where we are here....

Kelly cont: We're talking about things that are not in evidence already admitted for those purposes and that's fine but my point is only, i think and maybe devil is in details and I'm not as educated about the details as i need to be but...

Kelly:... my pt is only that it obviously should have been apparent to you, merely by taking the stand that a lot of this, anything already in, was going to be fair game.
Hernandez: correct, as long as its used properly..


Hernandez says she could have brought up the doxxing issue when Rehl's wife was on the stand. Could have brought up that he had a brick thrown into their home. Hernandez is adamant that govt is "attacking" Rehl with his personal emails talking about these people...

She argues: the msgs where Rehl slammed the person who doxxed him (who he says is antifa) to his family were personal, private, not about violence toward govt and that's what this case is about, bringing it is going to muddy the case

Hernandez says she is "distressed" over this coming in at this stage and Kelly tells her, he didn't order govt to give this preview and reminds her, at the close of the direct yesterday, he told her: when govt produces materials to you...

they should be prepared to highlight what I would rule on... (again going toward pt that this was all predictable)

We'll hash out the cross and what details should be, Kelly says.
K: Given that we've had the jury waiting, my thought is to the extent, and again, you've indicated this is news to you, but to extent I've admitted it already for intent & motive, that's fair game to cross him on..

K: With door being open to recruitment, without getting into particulars, I do think it is open. What it means as far as what the govt is trying to do here, I don't think we should burn more time on it here now - the jury is waiting and in part, I haven't had chance to look...

Kelly cont:..at details given the time this came in .
(This is all over email, it's not on PACER, btw)

Hernandez says FBI Boston office got involved with Rehl's doxxing episode and she wants that information produced to her.
H: was it antifa, not antifa, whoever it is, i am entitled to have that before i proceed with that direct examination.
K: Is govt planning on producing that?

Mulroe: She did email us june of last year for any contacts between rehl and a wide variety of topics. in response to that and other counsel, and general discovery process, we queried FBI sentinel database for their names, we produced everything we had, which ...

Mulroe cont: ...in some defendants, there was direct contact with FBI but no reports from Rehl to FBI about any doxxing or bricks. We produced what we did have and we asked her if she had any more particulars, dates, names of agents, locations she provide that and we ...

Mulroe: ...never heard back. i understand this morning she supplied us with a civil lawsuit complaint that makes reference to the alleged brick incident that happened in nov 2018, a full 2 years before parler posts issued here.

Mulroe: not to step into Mr Kenerson's lane but we certainly would question the relevance of that to the issues that are on the table for rehl's cross. Regardless, we'll make diligent efforts to find whatever documentation we can.

Mulroe: I'm told its possible, another individual may have made a report to the FBI and we're looking into that. but whatever relevance, this 2018 episode has to the testimony, i think that relevance can be fully captured in rehl's first hand subjective experience of...

M: ...whatever he experienced. whatever subsequent steps FBI took to look into this or find or didn't find about who was responsible, is not something, frankly, we have any duty to disclose or has any place before the jury.

Hernandez claims an FBI agent she spoke to in the courthouse this morning knew of Rehl's report about the doxxing in 2018.
H says of Rehl's future on cross: The government is going to try and savage him and his credibility.

Hernandez: I'm entitled to that information, under brady, giglio, rule 16. they're going to savage him and make him out -- they're going to do it... i guarantee that's what coming at him.. if they have information to negate the attacks on him, i think that's brady, giglio...

Hern cont: ...due process and I'm entitled to have it before he finishes his direct.

Kelly: you're not entitled to a ruling before you've even completed your direct before govt goes on cross.....so you'll have to make a strategic choice


Hernandez: how much time does it take to provide that information? (RE: fbi report)
Kelly: IDK but you don't need that information to complete your direct
Hernandez: in my pt of view, i do need that information for 6A.

Now Hernandez asks the court for 15 minutes so she can prepare herself because she's out of sorts. "I've been fighting at tilted windmills again"
There's a brief sidebar. Kelly grants 10 minutes.

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@Brandi_Buchman

And we are back. Zachary Rehl is on the witness stand before the jury enters.
Hernandez says the FBI agent who had alleged evidence of violence on Rehl's home; he was sent out of courtroom, perhaps to be unavailable... I don't know...perhaps to get this information...

(Kenerson's face says: this isn't the case)
Kelly: At the moment, there would be no reason for that agent, or govt to send that agent outside of the courtroom not to answer questions because I have no answers to pose to that agent.

They go back and forth. She interrupts Kelly at least once. Then Kelly asks the govt tor respond.

Mulroe: The agent went to try and track down and provide the information Ms. Hernandez has requested. Her suggestion that we may have banished him from courtroom to make him unavailable is simply absurd.

Hernandez: I said it was a possibility they sent him out to look for information and another possibility they sent him out...

After a few minutes, before the jury enters, Hernandez says she needs a personal break. Kelly permits it. She leaves. And Kelly says if jury comes in while she's out, he'll turn them right back around until she returns.

Hernandez is now back and the jury is coming in.

And now we continue the direct examination of Zachary Rehl.
Rehl is still under oath. He is in a dark suit, light shirt and blue and white striped tie.

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Hernandez then says govt said in opening that Rehl brought a "fighting force" to DC and she wants to address this. Kelly says "literally, it was a motion I granted, i think, with no objection excluding charging decisions....."

The jury is coming back in momentarily.

And we resume.
Hernandez (for Rehl) begins with a video exhibit.
This is again the footage Rehl shot from 1/6 at time of initial breach. He said it wasn't his voice in clip saying "storm the (expletive) Capitol"
She wants to ask him if there is other info he can provide on this...

H: Any info you can provide about who yelled that out
R: I mean look, i have an iPhone, everyone who has an iPhone knows they're not cheap for a reason. the technology is designed to pick up sounds closest to the phone. I observed with this, there's a guy right behind me...

Rehl cont: ...screaming going "ahh--ahh--ahh." He's behind me at one point, then you'll hear him screaming and he'll sound closer than the person who says "storm the capitol"

H: Was the person you were describing on the screen?
R: no, he's right behind me. he's right behind me over here, (he gestures with his hand)...
It sounds like he's closer than he is, in short, he calims
Rehl says he video'd man who said storm the capitol when Rehl spun around

The video plays. Rehl is at first confused if he's supposed to point the guy out or not. The video plays again. It stops now when he sees the man who he claims shouted "storm the capitol." The man is older, white, gray-haired, goatee, wearing gray jacket/sweater

But then, Rehl's testimony is a bit confusing here; he's tells the jury he's not saying this man said it, just his opinion it could have been him because of where they were standing.

Rehl testifies that "you can hear my voice clear as day" in another clip, when the Pence motorcade passed by him and other PBs on 1/6 and they thought it was Trump. Rehl in that clip says, "that's donald (expletive) trump!"

You and PBs had no intent to attack the Capitol?
Objection, compound.
H: At this point, you personally had no intent if any -
Objection, leading. Sustained.
H: Did you or did you not intend to attack the Capitol?
R: "We" -
Objection. move to strike, non responsive.

H: What if any intent did you have at this point to attack the US Capitol? (this is from initial breach)
Rehl: Absolutely not, never did it once cross my mind to attack the Capitol

Hernandez asks if Nordean said anything about attacking the Capitol at this point and Rehl says no. Before she can even finish her sentence to ask if Biggs did too, Rehl answers no.

Rehl then doubles back to a question Hernandez started to pose about the man with the black megaphone but instead veers into his thoughts about what was happening during moment of initial breach.

Rehl: "I had a bunch of thoughts going at once because i thought you were asking me about guy with black megaphone --when we collided with this crowd, it was a rally crowd and my understanding was somewhere in this area...

Rehl: There were supposed to be stages set up. Now, I've been to multiple Trump rallies, everyone knows, at least, most ppl know, Trump attracts large crowds, some people camp out. Given that this scenario was unexpected, thought Trump would go to Capitol at all...

Rehl cont: ...I'm not trying to downplay anything at the Capitol that day. This scene here, it was a huge crowd of people trying to find the stages and rush them... that's what ppl do they want to be in the front, its like at protests, concerts.

Rehl: Not everybody, but a lot of ppl do. Like i said, ppl wait hours sometimes overnight to see Trump. To push those barriers and get up to that area, it didn't really phase me at the time

Hernandez brings up Parler post where Rehl shares a photo he took that is facing towards the Wash Monument on 1/6, large crowd. He says this is what he's talking about earlier, these are types of photos he would take that day.

The chat shows Rehl saying "THIS is what patriotism" looks like and he goes on to say govt should fear people when govt is tyrannical (paraphrasing original quote for speed). Hernandez asks him what that means

Rehl/: Well you can vote people out of ofc and if they feel their job is on the line, you can vote them out of office. That's what they fear. They receive a paycheck. That's their livelihood.
H: What did you intend by phrase, when govt fears its people
R: Protesting specifically

(...)

Hernandez asks about a text after rioting where Rehl says people should have stayed.

Rehl: What I meant was stay there, was, Democrats for example, when they show up somewhere - (he turns to jury to say this next part) - i definitely respect democrats but...

Rehl cont: They'll pitch a tent & they'll stay. They'll stay in a park -- let their voice be heard, basically. When that crowd was down there at the capitol (clears throat) those senators were still objecting. when people started leaving, that's when they started turning on trump

Hernandez: you think they started leaving because-- ppl started leaving because of the violence or because of the objections...?
Leading. Overruled.
Rehl: I don't understand the question.

Hernandez: What is your assessment today of how what happened on Capitol on 1/6, violence, destruction of property, how that affected the votes of the congressmen?
R: Like I said, that did have an effect on what they did. They were mad about it and they blamed Trump for it...

Rehl continued:..I guess you could say rightfully so, the people who committed violence, like i said earlier, ruined the legal process that Trump tried to put in place.

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by ti-amie The Washington Post :press:
@washingtonpost@press.coop
A former supervisory agent for the FBI has been arrested after the government alleged he entered the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, and confronted police officers outside the building, telling them: “You are the Nazi. You are the Gestapo. … Shame on you!” https://wapo.st/42iRaRy #press

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Laura Abernathy @TheLauraAbernat

Surprised Pezzola attorney doesn’t push for a verdict instead of mistrial. In a separate trial (if DOJ brought it) the jury is more likely to convict whereas this jury isn’t likely to if pushed.






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If I was on this jury I wouldn't want any of those MAGAt lawyers near me.

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by Owendonovan :yahoo: :bananas: :yahoo: I'll always have a problem with men calling themselves boys. Bunch of losers. I hope they end up in a section of prison where some POC, who have an ax to grind against white racists, run the show.

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by ti-amie Capitol rioter with 'jaw-dropping' criminal history sentenced to 14 years in prison
Peter Schwartz, of Pennsylvania, has 38 prior convictions on his record, according to prosecutors.

Author: Jordan Fischer
Published: 1:57 PM EDT May 5, 2023
Updated: 6:23 PM EDT May 5, 2023
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WASHINGTON — A federal judge ordered a Kentucky man who assaulted multiple police officers to serve 14 years in prison Friday in the longest sentence handed down yet in a Capitol riot case.

Peter Schwartz, who was living in Pennsylvania at the time of his arrest, appeared Friday afternoon before U.S. District Judge Amit P. Mehta. Schwartz was convicted by a jury in December on 13 counts, including four counts for attacking police with dangerous weapons and three other weapon-related felonies. In a sentencing memo filed last month, prosecutors described the career welder as one of the “most violent and aggressive participants” in the Capitol riot and asked for him to be sentenced to 294 months, or 24.5 years, in prison and a $71,541 fine.

“This sentence is at the midpoint of Schwartz’s Sentencing Guidelines range and takes account of his repeated violence against police on January 6th, his substantial violent criminal history, his utter lack of remorse, and his efforts to profit from his crime,” prosecutors wrote.

Schwartz and his then-wife, Shelly Stallings, traveled to D.C. “intent on violence” prosecutors wrote. They made their way to the front lines near the Lower West Terrace, where Schwartz would later brag he threw the first chair at police that helped create an opening other rioters used to flood through.

“[Schwartz] then stole chemical munitions, including pepper spray, that had been left behind by the fleeing officers and used that pepper spray as a weapon to attack those same officers as they desperately tried to escape the growing and increasingly violent mob,” prosecutors wrote. After initially assaulting police with pepper spray, he then entered the Lower West Terrace Tunnel and worked with other rioters to again spray officers.

Stallings pleaded guilty in August to all counts in her indictment, including five felonies, and was sentenced last month by Mehta to two years in prison.

In addition to his actions on Jan. 6, Schwartz has what prosecutors described as a “jaw-dropping” criminal history of 38 prior convictions dating back to 1991. Those convictions were for offenses ranging from battery to assault with a deadly weapon to being a felony in possession of a handgun and terroristic threatening. In 2019, Schwartz was convicted in Kentucky for at least the second time of being a felon in possession of a firearm and for threatening to kill his girlfriend. A year later he was convicted of domestic battery in Ohio for assaulting his wife. On Jan. 6, Schwartz was still on probation from a conviction for assaultive conduct and illegal firearm possession.

Schwartz’s attorney, Dennis E. Boyle, argued in his own sentencing memo that his client should receive a much lighter term of four-and-a-half years in prison. Boyle acknowledged Schwartz’s conduct was serious, but said his actions on Jan. 6 were “not motivated by any desire for personal financial gain or any other benefit,” but instead by a “misunderstanding as to the facts surrounding the 2020 election.”

Boyle described Schwartz as a “pillar” in his family and noted his father Ronald had submitted a letter to the court describing how he “never fails to send cards in recognition of family events or holidays.”

According to Boyle, the probation office determined Schwartz’s advisory guideline sentencing range should be 14-17.7 years in prison.

Schwartz spoke briefly at the hearing, telling Mehta, "I just want to say that I do sincerely regret the damage Jan. 6 has caused to so many people and their lives."

Before delivering his verdict, Mehta said he appreciated Schwartz's statement — but didn't believe it.

"You were on a warfront," Mehta said. "You were a soldier against democracy."

Mehta also shot down claims Schwartz has made on podcasts and elsewhere that he has been wrongfully prosecuted.

"You are not a political prisoner, Mr. Schwartz. You're not somebody who's standing up against injustice or fighting against an autocratic regime," Mehta said. "No, that's not you. You're someone who took the day into your own hands. You raised your hands against others, much as you have your entire life."

Despite describing Schwartz as one of the most serious and violent rioters that day, Mehta agreed the sentencing guidelines were unnecessarily punitive and said he would, as he has in other cases, grant a downward variance. But he said Schwartz did not deserve as significant variance as other defendants due to his extensive criminal history and lack of remorse.

Ultimately, Mehta sentenced Schwartz to 170 months, or fourteen years and two months, in prison and $2,000 in restitution. He will also have to serve three years of supervised release. Mehta granted a request by Schwartz's attorney to request placement at the low-security federal facility at Fort Dix in New Jersey, near where he has family.

Previously, the longest sentence handed down to date was 10 years for former NYPD officer Thomas Webster. Webster was convicted at trial of one count of assaulting police with a dangerous weapon alongside other felonies. He was also sentenced by Mehta.

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Prosecutor says Barnett’s crimes weren’t just “hurt feelings” or a “harmless prank”…
She says the crime was part of a siege that “impacted the world’s confidence” in the stability of America

Prosecutor argues Barnett “encouraged others to participate” in riot

She emphasizes that Barnett brought “stun device” on Jan 6

About that famous photo of Barnett with his feet on a desk in Pelosi office… prosecutor says photo didn’t make Barnett famous. She says Barnett’s actions made the photo famous

Prosecutor says the crime “sent shockwaves” around the nation and the world

She argues Barnett’s crime has no historical comparison.

Prosecutor says staffers “were literally running and hiding in a safe room” as mob approached Pelosi offices

Justice Dept is arguing Barnett characterizes himself as the victim. Not the police. Or Members of congress or their staff.

Prosecutor argues Barnett continues to do so

Prosecutor says Barnett “immediately celebrated his conquest” on Jan 6… “showing off his trophy” (the mail/envelope stolen from Pelosi offices)

Prosecutor: Barnett “still believes he can say and do whatever he wants”

“Without consequences”

Prosecutor says Barnett “doesn’t worry about consequences”

Probation office is recommending 54 months prison

But Justice Dept is recommending longer

Prosecutor is detailing how some of the victims of Jan 6 “left government service” (police service) after the attack

Prosecutor emphasizes how there are no historical parallels to so much of what happened on Jan 6. Brief break. Then we expect to hear from defense

by ti-amie Scott MacFarlane
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Defense makes a (very) extended comparison of unrest in 2020 (including in Kenosha and DC) to the Jan 6 attack.

After several minutes, judge interjects and says “Counsel, address *this* case”

Defense says Bigo Barnett “didn’t want to fight Antifa”, but wanted to protect others from Antifa

Defense says Barnett brought stun device to DC because “he wanted to legally protect himself”

Defense says Barnett was “sleep deprived” during FBI interview in this case

Judge is trying to focus defense attorney.

About famed incident in which Barnett put his feet on desk in Pelosi office… defense says “he sat at a desk he should not have sat at”

Defense tried to play a video of news coverage. Video doesn’t play.

This defense presentation is, at times, halting

Defense says government is alleging an “ingenious plot” by Barnett on Jan 6

Defense returns to an argument that was unsuccessful at trial… saying Barnett “was pushed into the Capitol” on Jan 6

That argument did not convince jury

Defense says nothing that happened in Pelosi office was violent

Defense says Barnett “is not a threat to anyone”

Defense is making especially lengthy arguments contrasting Barnett’s case with others from Jan 6

Several times.. judge Chris Cooper interjected and said “move on”

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look at his belt in that infamous photo. This thug brought a weapon to take on a 130 lb 80-year-old woman.

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Bigo Barnett speaks now. He blames prior defense attorney (whom he fired) for the Give Send Go account

Barnett says Jan 6 was an “enigma in my life”
“Some of my actions of January 6 are hard to explain…. They say I’m not remorseful… They say I’m a terrorist .. you know I’m not”

Barnett says “they want me to be remorseful for things I did not do”
He says he’s appealing, “I still think I have a chance to prove that I’m innocent”
“I wasn’t treated fairly”

Barnett: “January 6 was a traumatic day for everyone. Not just law enforcement”

Barnett says a lot of people “got caught up in it” on Jan 6
(Invoking a refrain in many Jan 6 sentencing hearings)

Barnett says he’s “not proud” of his conduct in front of police. But he argues it was not “threatening”

Barnett closes by saying he’ll accept whatever the judge decides.

Judge Chris Cooper begins to issue sentence next

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Ofc Owens apologized at some point for crying & Judge Mehta quickly told him that no apology was needed. He thanked each of the five witnesses for their statements & added words that were hard to hear from the gallery. (Victim impact statements are delivered from ...
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... Judge is discussing how he to determine whether OKs "caused" what happened on J6.
"I think this is a circumstances were a strict but-for test is not required in order to carry out purposes of sentencing commission. ... Causation cause met in this case ...
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and therefore the 3-level enhancement will be applicable in this and the other matters."
Now discussing enhancements for defendants who exercised some control over other defendants or co-conspirators. ...
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[The probation department writes the presentence report. it's not public.]
Judge: 1st category: defense claim that evidence showed no conspiracy to oppose transfer of power after election. that's contrary to what the jury found.
[Judge now reviewing evidence to that effect.]
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Judge: there's also a defense claim that QRFs [quick reaction forces--the arsenals in VA hotels] were to be defensive forces. ... Abundant evidence form which jury concluded otherwise.
[Judge now reviewing a sampling of that evidence.]
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*from* not "form"

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Judge: Contention by defense that Rhodes's statements about using force on J6 were bombast ... abundant evidence from which jury could conclude otherwise.
[now reviewing some of that evidence.]
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Judge: defense makes contention that Rhodes did not instruct OK Kelly Meggs or other OKs to enter Capitol. ... Judge says there's abundant evidence to contrary.
[reviews some of that evidence.]
Judge: defense points out that gun purchases were legal. True but beside the point.

purpose of buying the guns was to oppose authority of the US and to create an arsenal for that purpose. ...
[judge reciting evidence to that effect, including things cooperating OK Joshua James said in his guilty plea statement.]
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Judge now says that contention that Rhodes ordered others to delete evidence based on instructions from girlfriend/general counsel Kelly SoRelle "doesn't pass the laugh test." Judge mentions Rhodes' own Yale Law School education and improbability of his taking orders from ...
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SoRelle.
Judge: Ok. That's out of the way. now let's talk about scope of conduct and application of guidelines.
AUSA Kathryn Rakoczy: scope of related conduct question. in definition of "relevant conduct" encompasses defendant's acts & those of others in
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within the scope of the jointly taken criminal activity and reasonably foreseeable conduct. ... all harm that resulted from defendants' acts or those of others who engaged in that joint activity.
for these 9 defendants, govt says each engaged in jointly undertaken
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criminal activity. Encompasses all the acts of these co-conspirators.
Rhodes presents much easier question. he's leader of this conspiracy. how he exercised control, instigated this conspiracy--court has already made findings of fact that he implicitly and explicitly directed/34

line 1 (14 people) and line 2 (5 people in stack formations) to enter the Capitol that day. ... and also [creating] the QRFs ...
Rakoczy continues: "substantial interference in administration of justice": Chief Judge Howell found in Rubenacker that it was ludicrous to think
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that participants in riot did not participate in interference in administration of justice. we think facts support that [Rhodes led] at least 30 individuals to Capitol. ... substantial expenditures on part of govt to prosecute ... involvement of various LE agencies ...
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Rakoczy continuing: moving on, next issue: leadership enhancement. court looking for some evidence of "control" here. hierarchy does play a role. it's our position that all 9 of these defs did play a hierarchical role here. ...
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Rhodes was at top. founder of OKs and president, leader for life. ... you heard from cooperators that they believed there was a specific hierarchy. Dolan spoke about a team that reported up thru harrelson to Meggs to Rhodes. ... Bennie Parker said he was recruited by Watkins
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and then listened to her about bringing guns. ... Ways Roberto Minuta led 2d group. Ed Vallejo led his QRF team at hotel. ...
from our perspective this is a leadership structure. some level of enhancement appropriate across this case [for all 9 defs]. Rhodes the actual leader/41

Rhodes own words explicitly state his view that he was leader.
He was at top , there were state and regional leaders, rank and file after that.
Siekerman and Greene in overall charge of operations on J6 ... everyone bringing a team ... but with himself at top.
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Rhodes approved aspects of operation. Meggs discussed with him the QRF ... Rhodes: "we will have a QRF, the situation calls for it." Rhodes is approving Meggs operational proposal.
Judge: Must enhancement be either 4, 3 or zero?
Rakoczy: that's our reading.
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[Leaders/organizers get 4 point enhancement; supervisors/managers get 3-point enhancement.]

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Rakoczy now turning to terrorism enhancement.
R: where defs convicted of seditious conspiracy to stop transfer or presidential power -- hard to not see that as terrorism ... "calculated or intended to result in coercion or intimidation of the govt."
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Rakoczy: we disagree with Mr. Woodward (for Meggs) that there's got to be either a 12-point enhancement or nothing. we think you can apply less than 12 levels. The 6-level enhancement is half of the 12 that couldve been imposed. this group did not cause loss of life.
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... but organizing force across the river comes pretty close. hard to forget chilling words of Rhodes on J10 about ~I should have called in the qrf on J6.~ this is terrorism. it's not blowing up a bldg, but in light of threat of harm & historic nature of attempting to stop
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certification of an election for the 1st time in american history, 6-point terrorism enhancement is appropriate.
I have thoughts about why a sentence of 25 yrs is appropriate that i can address at the end.
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[All this discussion about the phone call is a 3-way call between Rhodes, Meggs, and Michael Greene that took place just moments before Meggs led 14 OKs up Capitol steps and into Capitol.]
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Judge: 2 important issues. 1. mr. rhodes stands convicted of seditious conspiracy. 2. the facts i recited yesterday -- not going to recite again today -- all those facts and inferences i drew yesterday (with one exception) i'm incorporating into the record.
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some broad strokes of my findings by preponderance of evidence. Mr. R was convicted of leading conspiracy to oppose by force lawful transfer of power after 2020 election. ... because Mr. R position at top of hierarchy of Oks and conduct and actions & words i ascribe actions
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of all his coconspirators to him as well. ... in furtherance of conspiracy and reasonably foreseeable. he used violent imagery and language, drew comparisons to american revolution & civil war to inspire use of force ... signal messages & actions of coconspirators showed
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mutual understanding that force might be required. ...common understanding that force might be used to oppose transfer of power including on J6 itself. he and coconspirators brought weapons to area. fact never brought into city does not defeat reason he brought them

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ample evidence of consciousness of guilt. sought to cover his own actions and those of coconspirators. within 48 hrs told everyone on Old Leadership Chat to delete signal chats and "shut the (expletive) up." why else? ...
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it was reasonably foreseeable to rhodes that people were going in. he wouldve known objective that day was to resist transfer of power. when things went to hell at capitol he didn't tell people to stay at bay. he told them come to me, i'm on south side of capitol.
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why do that if he didn't know they'd join the melee? it defies explanation. why would he order & bring another 30 people to capitol if he didn't want them to go in. just not plausible.
it was reasonably foreseeable to him that people wouldve entered the bldg, use force

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once within the bldg. clearly foreseeable. no doubt in my mind.
closer question: whether i can conclude by preponderance of evidence that he in fact approved their entry into capitol. Mr. Bright, you're right, there's evidence could cause a reasonable jury to question that.

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but here's what other evidence showed. this was extremely hierarchical organization. rhodes was one giving orders. organizing teams. he was the reason they were in DC on J6. ... given that i find it hard to believe Meggs wouldve led those people in there without green

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light from Rhodes. why? 1., hierarchical relationship. 2. testimony at trial: Meggs was trying to get ahold of somebody and thought it was Rhodes. a 2d witness said Meggs was contemplating whether to go in. then Caleb Berry said Meggs said: we're going in to stop the vote.
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i don't ascribe Meggs ability to do that without clearing it with Rhodes. ... Rhodes not only knew but in some sense authorized it.
after J6, true testimony from dolan that he heard rhodes say "that was pretty stupid." exact testimony was a little equivocal.

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... Dolan-- 'i believe he was talking to kelly at the time but i'm not 100% sure.' Greene's testimony: somebody mentioned somebody by name and said they went in and stewart said that was (expletive) stupid. so some evidence.
but compare that to what he said afterward. ...
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not once did Rhodes say on signal chats that he regretted people going in. not once. then there's consciousness of guilt. ... not just protecting others; protecting self. he's Yale Law grad, pretty smart guy.
i find he knew and approved entry into capitoil.
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as to "due administration of justice" ... essence of seditious agreement represented threat to threat to others and members of congress. arsenal on other side of potomac ... conspiracy contemplated use of force ... threatened physical harm to staff members of speaker ...

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Rhodes responsible for actual injuries to certain officers & threatened injuries ... to officers Salke and Carrion near the east rotunda door. officer christopher owens and others in senate hallway who faced def watkins. officers jackson and martha lazzo who
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were object of Joshua James's assault. ... threats to Pelosi staffers cowering in fear in conference room when [meggs & others were outside]
proceedings were adjourned for some period of time. that's substantial interference with administration of justice. it was obstructed

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additional costs in terms of cleanup and additional Secret Service personnel that had to come to capitol.
substantial planning for events of J6. even if just take timing from 12/19 forward. ... hotels, bringing weapons, creating groups. ...
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they way people entered in a line -- whether you call it stack or not -- that shows organization and planning.
Rhodes was top of chain. not just founder & leader. OKs don't come to DC on J6 but for Mr. Rhodes. ... he directed coconspirators to capitol & they abided.
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He told them to come to capitol. ... There was testimony that he would have been the one to say whether to bring the arms in [to DC]. he referred to Minuta as "one of my most trusted men" suggesting control. he designated siekerman & greene & meggs as operational leaders.

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so 4-level enhancement for leadership applies. not a close call.
the 6-level enhancement for terrorism--definition of seditious conspiracy meets that. ... their objective was to affect conduct of govt thru intimidation & coercion by means of force.
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In terms of levels. i disagree that it's an all or nothing proposition. [i.e., 12 levels or nothing]. it only establishes a cap, not a floor. I think the 6 levels is appropriate. how do i get there? this is separate and more serious conduct than what's captured by guideline.
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this is an additional level of planning and targeting of institutions of american democracy at its most important point--its transfer of power. that's what jury found and i agree with them.
a 6-level enhancement is appropriate.
what all of that means-- 3 other things
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defense has requested 2 level reduction for acceptance of responsibility. I [reject] that. Mr. R's comments since J6 ... clearly demonstrate no acceptance of responsibility.
defense has requested downward departure for military service. ...
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doesn't apply here. R served country but not to an unusual degree. i'm not going to say there weren't charitable purposes that OKs [sometimes] undertook. but not extraordinary and doesn't eclipse what happened on J6.
...
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guidelines calculation is for seditious conspiracy: treason is analog but conduct not "tantamount to waging war" so all in agreement that guideline [begins with obstruction of justice] ...
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base offense is 14. 8-level enhancement for causing or threatening injuyr. 3 -levels for interference ... etc etc ... total offense level of 39
guideline range: 262-327 months
Rakoczy: govt asking 25 yrs incarceration. in middle of applicable guidelines court just found

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J6 neither 1st nor last time he will seek to organize political violence. ... he's been calling for violent [resistance] to govt for well over a decade. ... he continues to advocate for political violence. ... from jail. just 4 days ago he addressed by phone

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a 'freedom corner rally' ... warned those in attendance "they're going to keep coming after those on political right. it's a terror campaign against political opposition. it's not going to stop till it's stopped we're going to have to stop it. it's going to take regime change."

Most of us want to believe J6 was an outlier. Not defendant Rhodes ... the court should and must impose sentence of 25 years.
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Atty Phil Linder (Rhodes): ... govt wants you to sentence rhodes out of fear. fear he'll do it again. they want to make Rhodes the face of J6. ... want 25 yr sentence. nothing has come close to that. go back to election in november. rhodes is upset as are millions of americans.

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he didn't start million MAGA march (11/14), Jericho March (12/12) , or J6. ... if he'd been called away, J6 would still have happened. ... want to put a face on J6, put it on Trump, right-wing media, politicians ... Rhodes just participant. didn't create it.

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...Bright now letting Rhodes speak on his own behalf

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Rhodes: start by saying i'm a political prisoner. like pres. trump and my only crime is opposing those who are destroying our country. ... using protected speech because of systemic violence of left to shut down speech of trump supporters. ... started at the trump inauguration

we started protecting vulnerable trump supporters from attack by antifa ... none of them was ever prosecuted to my mind ... obviously seditious conspiracy trying to stop transfer of power (to trump). we've protected people outside trump rallies from antifa ...
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antifa like to have unarmed victims. ... [now giving alleged examples] we stepped up across country to protect unarmed or elderly back to their vehicles. shouldn't have to do that in this country. repeated systemic examples ... one in Berkeley ... transgender trump supporter
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attacked. we stepped in. did so peacefully. we deterred antifa. ... that's been our focal point. unlike characterization of southern poverty law center. our people are nonviolent. ... zero record of actual use of force. we deter like other groups--unlike Proud Boys--who

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seek out street violence.
in DC we did [many] security operations without incidents, without a hitch. give our people option to wear helmets and body armor because antifa stabs people, throw bottles, [other things].
on J6 i did not go inside. nor did i expect anyone else
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(I hope Tarrio saw that bus coming and got out of the way)

to. i'd just spoke at Latinos for Trump rally about block north. when i was standing at NE corner of capitol, that's where next event was going to be for ali alexander.
kelly meggs team was escorting people from ellipse to ali alexander's event.
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my concern was they would get caught up in turmoil outside capitol. ... wanted to make sure they didn't get caught up. that's why i said 'if anyone is not still on duty come to us.' when they did come to me, they said they'd gone inside and i said that was stupid.

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mr greene was actually in charge of assigning the teams that day. i never take personal leadership unless i have no choice. greene is retired police officer. i put good men in charge, trust them to do right thiing. on J6 saw a problem. saw a riot happening. ...

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(I hope Greene got out of the way of that bus too)

didn't want our guys to be part of it. so i said, 'come to me.' wanted them to be with mr. greene and me. to keep our guys from being caught up with that.
josh james was with team protecting roger stone ... didn't want them caught up with this. no OK took part in any

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of the fighting. no OK punched anyone, kicked anyone, pepper sprayed them, struck them with stun gun. worst thing an OK did that day--jessica watkins pushed in senate hallway. she was leading her own little militia. other one was josh james. he lost his military bearing ...
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[feel for the police who testified yesterday]. none of us caused that. bizarre to hear all that. find it offensive frankly. this has been. a surreal experience. feel i'm the lead character is Kafka's The Trial. ...
[now objecting to characterization of OKs as ...

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white supremacists] ... find that very offensive. ... all meant to smear the Trump supporters. and link them to the KKK--which was a Democrat organization. ...
the OKs--the NYT blames the OKs and PBs. they hate us because we stopped the violence in the street and they don't
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ike that.
Judge: I'm going to ask you to wrap up ...
Rhodes: ... after i said we need "regime change" [in interview 4 days ago] I said I hoped Trump won in 2024. Rakoczy took that out of context. ...
Every J6-er is political prisoner. all being grossly overcharged.
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it's not going to deter people. it's going to make people even more [angry with the govt].
[Rhodes now talking about the TX v. PA original suit in Supreme Court ... claiming constitutional problems.]
i cannot ignore text of constitution under my oath. ...

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characterizing trump supporters as racists or fools is not going to help. ... Rhodes says he is the "american solzhenitsyn to expose the criminality of this administration."
Rhodes done.
Judge: Short break.

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:lol:

For those without a calculator, the guidelines that Judge Mehta has found to apply to Rhodes—262 to 327 months—come to 21 yrs 10mos to 27 yrs 3 months. Those were the guidelines the govt sought. Thus, its recommended sentence, 25 yrs, was toward middle of his guidelines.
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Judge Mehta back on bench.
(Note that max for seditious conspiracy is 20 yrs, so to achieve 25 he would have to impose some consecutive sentences.)
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the danger a conspiracy creates not confined to [facts that occur]
seditious conspiracy ... at start of civil war ... treason was primary tool available but constitution defined that narrowly. congress enacted statutes ... seditious conspiracy is among most serious crimes

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an american can commit. offense against the people of the country. it's not confined to one day. actions of one day. it's a series of acts in which you and others committed to use force including potentially with weapons against govt of US as it transitioned from

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from one president to another. what was motive? you didn't like the new guy. i get it. let me be clear. ... we don't paint with a broad brush. shame on you if you do. just because you support former president doesn't mean your white supremacist. you voted for other guy ...

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but what we cannot have, absolutely cannot have is group of citizens who because they didn't like outcome of eleciton or because they didn't think law was carried out way they think it should be were prepared to take up arms to foment a revolution. that's waht you did..
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those are your words not mine. you're not a political prisoner. you're here because 12 jurors in DC who acquitted you of multiple counts found you guilty of sedition. jury of your peers. make no mistake.
2 enduring impacts of J6 ... now all hold our breaths every time

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an election approaches.
otehr enduring legacy is what we saw yesterday: heroism, of police officers and people working on capitol hill that day to protect this democracy as we know it. they laid their bodies on the line.
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you talk about keeping oaths? nobody more emblematic than those police officers, Mr. Rhodes. their heroism, stamina, courage--but for their acts couldn't have been far blacker day than one already one of blackest of this country.
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you recently said in an interview that 2020 election not only stolen but taken by unc'l means ... you said you had to find a way to fix that ... l
nothing has changed. moment you are released you'll be prepared to take up arms against your govt. because you think that's

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appropriate way to find redress ... i'm not making this up ... you said under oath ...
Q. you and OKs were prepared to take steps to alter or abolish this govt ?
A. prepared to take steps, walk founders' path, yes. i hope that conflict can be avoided. i really do. ...

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but when govt steps outside constitution, puts you in a bad place. ...
Judge continuing: when you find yourself in a bad place, rest of us are too. we're all objects of your wilingness to engage in violence. we just cannot have that in this country.
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you are committed to custody of [Bureau of Prisons] for *216 months -- 18 years* ... on counts 1, 3, and 7

/151

Judge Mehta discussing other conditions after he reaches after supervised release.
But SENTENCE IS 18 YEARS.
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Judge Mehta's final words: Mr. Rhodes, good luck to you.
Adjourned.
[I think we're resuming at 1:30pm for Kelly Meggs' sentencing hearing.]
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by ti-amie Roger Parloff
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[To remind everyone, Meggs was convicted of 5 of 6 counts, including the top count, seditious conspiracy. The govt's computation of his guidelines, before terrorism enhancement, would be 135-168 mos. After a 4-level terror enhancement proposed by govt, they'd be 210-262 mos.
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[Govt is seeking 21 years (252 mos) for Meggs. Obviously, he won't get that, given that Rhodes was sentenced to 18 years (216 months). ]
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just going to hit the highlights.
1st, meggs was effectively Rhodes 1st deputy with respect to the charged conspiracy. perhaps not with respect to OKs overall, but with respect to the charged conspiracy.
seditious conspiracy to oppose by force the transfer of power ...
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"This is moment we signed up for"--not a reference to security details. ... Meggs Signal comms from 12/19 forward are indicative. "Real question is who's willing to die." "we need to surround capitol with patriots ... scare the hell out of them" "we need Trump ...
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there's going to blood in the streets no matter what."
Not boasting, not hyperbole or rhetoric. jury took it seriously and i do as well.
Meggs was key organizer in op coming to DC. he was FL lead. actively planned with others in OH. transportation, hotels, weapons. ...
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... Coordinated with Paul Stamey about QRF at Comfort Inn. Brought many weapons to QRF in his truck. Key organizer and contributor of weapons to the QRF. His role in that respect can't really be disputed.
fact weapons never brought into city does not defeat
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conspiratorial plan to bring those weapons into the city if needed.
... Mr. Dolan's testimony: guns in his view ... would be used even if Insurrection Act invoked to prepare for pro-Trump versus Pro-Biden violence--street warfare in essence.
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Little doubt Meggs was leader of group that entered Capitol. Caleb Berry testified: Meggs was leader. there was testimony that Meggs was trying to reach Rhodes on way to Capitol. Scope of that conduct included Ms. Watkins' conduct. all entered together. Isaacs 1st thru door
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but Meggs appears to be motioning OKs through the door. ... they were not waiting for a security detail at the stop of the steps. given meggs height he could see officers struggling to keep rioters at bay ... meggs making no attempt to assist officer salke or carrion who

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were doing best to guard the doors and keep people out.
once inside Meggs led group to hallway outside Speaker's suite ... [while staffers hiding inside] ... in evening hours of J6, someone wrote: we were hoping to see Nancy's head rolling down stairs and Meggs responded,

"We looked for her."
Evidence Meggs continued to believe in conspiratorial objective after J6. ... best exemplified by his response as to whether he'd join Rhodes in TX and his response was: FL won't leave until shots fired.
Meggs deleted his signal app from phone
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after learning that Watkins and Crowl and Caldwell were indicted. Meggs and Harrelson then consulte3d with each other about deleting signal app. suggests consciousness of guilt. augurs for 8-level enhancement for interference with due admininstration of justice. that

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given seditious conspiracy conviction and also 1512k conviction: these are both sufficient to meet terrorism enhancement. Meggs conduct "calculated" to influence or affect conduct of govt by coercion or intimidation. Govt asks for 4-level enhancement; i'm going to give him

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3. to show that Rhodes, who got 6, stands apart. Rhodes is intellectual leader. not absolving Meggs of responsibility but it's because of Rhodes that Meggs is sitting here today. rhodes culpability is worthy of greater enhancement, so i've halved the number of levels .

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there's the video of the urban warfare training. i understand it wa slegal when done, but what happened later may put it in a different light. you were prepared to use a long gun in an urban center. instructor said long guns were offensive weapons.

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you and your cohorts brought a lot of long guns to the QRF.
Meggs does not qualify for the acceptance of responsibility.
Guidelines calculations for Meggs:

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total offense severity: 33 + 3 for terrorism enhancement: 36
188 mos to 238 months & fine of $40K+
Atty Woodward: i want to make record, our position is that because jury did not check 2d box for seditious conspiracy the jury did not find [the prevent hinder & delay prong]
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Your point is noted. i disagree with it. instructions were quite clear jury only needed to find guilt to one prong so fact jury didn't check 2d box doesn't mean they acquitted him of that conduct.
Judge calling for 15 minute break before "allocutions."
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So for those without a calculator: the guidelines Judge Mehta has calculated were 188-238 months, which includes a terror enhancement (2d in a J6 case, after Rhodes) but slightly less than govt sought. That's 15 yrs 8 mos to 19 yrs 10 mos. But, also remember, that ...
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Meggs attorneys and AUSA's allocuting

Meggs wrote a letter talking about his father.

His wife (Meggs) also wrote a long letter

Loving wife. Grandkids. Family man. The usual

The Judge took a break.

Judge: Beginning with guidelines: 188-235 months. [I thought he said 238 before.]
... [he's reading statutory factors he's supposed to take into account when sentencing]
addressing issue of disparities. ... as i said earlier today i don't think other J6 cases are useful

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as comparators because none involve conspiracy let alone seditious conspiracy.
i have however considered other sentences in seditious conspiracy cases ... not only Rhodes's but also other sentences coming down the road to ensure proportionality.

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nature of circumstances of crime have been discussed ... Meggs says he was part of personal security detail ... only in Rotunda relatively short period of time ...
not directly involved in physical altercation with police but some of cohorts were ...

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one of most serious offenses an American can stand convicted of ... jury found you were prepared to take up arms against your govt.
2 enduring legacies of J6: 1. impact on politics/elections. we now hold our collective breath that each election won't see such violence

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This one is live so I'm sorry I couldn't do a TL;dr at the top

Did you believe Rhodes's words were just bombast? one message--okay. 2 messages. 3. but i don't understand ... "easy to chat here. but the question is who's prepared to die." to die. doesn't soun d like planning for a security detail. you texted mr. liggett from another

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militia group, talking about how many Proud Boys you'd have as force multipllier. doesn't sound like a security detail.
12/25: "get up close to capitol then at night whatever happens happens." doesn't sound like security detail.
"our peaceful protests need to have more teeth"/265

"there will be blood in the streets no matter what." "tree of liberty needs to be refreshed with the blood of patriots from time to time"
i understand mr. meggs that when you look at evidence and look into your heart you see different conduct than jury saw. that's okay.

Judge re Meggs

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it's a testament to who you are. your family, son, wife, grandchildren obviously care great deal about you. people in your community. i dont discount any of that. i feel your pain.
it's astonishing to me how avg americans somehow transformed into criminals in weeks

leading up to and on J6.
regrettably everytthing you did vanished in matter of couple months.
planning scheming with others to bring rifles to DC became more important than family. contemplating violence on streets ... maybe you were just under spell of Mr. Rhodes.

unlike Rhodes who i think continues to pose real threat to republic, but you do continue to say things not consistent with reality. you told Fox police thought it was okay for you to walk thru that door. that somehow if there were more CCTV footage available you'd be

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exonerated. your lawyers had access to everything. ... you recently called everything that happened here a BS trial.
but in the end mr meggs there are factors that are weighty beyond the remorse you know have. factors to make sure people in this country understand

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that violence cannot be resorted to simply because you don't like the guy that got elected. don't take to streets with rifles. don't hope president invokes insurrection act ... dont rush into US capitol to stop electoral count. if we don't make sure that kind of conduct
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has consequences we will slowly but surely [die as a republic.]
I commit you to the custody of the Bureau of Prisons for concurrent terms of 184 MONTHS.
SO FIFTEEN YEARS AND 4 MONTHS.

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[is not acceptable].
Judge then sentences Meggs to 144 MONTHS. [I heard wrong the first time and have deleted my original tweet. Strongly regret my error.]
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Oh, SORRY, EVERYONE ELSE HEARD 144 MONTHS. not 184 months.
I guess that's it.
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by ponchi101 Time to start giving Merrick Garland his due? Meaning, the man silently seems to know what he is doing.

by ti-amie The reason I go through the bother of posting what men and women in the Legal profession take their time to transcribe for the public is because some people seem to think that justice is perfunctory, that it's the 20m "Law and Order" gives us of courtroom procedure. The thing I got from reading as I was posting today is that this is all going to be appealed so Judge Mehta had to make sure everyone and everything was made note of from legal precedent to "my family loves me" while at the same time showing the horrors these men and women inflicted on fellow human beings who in another circumstance, they'd be defending, and that their intent was not protest but violent overthrow of the US government.

I did the Raven Symone shake my head in disbelief and chuckle when Rhodes implied that Tarrio's group is composed of a bunch of street thugs.


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by ti-amie Stewart Rhodes' son: ‘How I escaped my father’s militia’
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29 November 2022

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By Mike Wendling
Kalispell, Montana
The son of militia leader Stewart Rhodes spent years plotting to help his family escape from his father's control. Now that the elder Rhodes has been jailed for 18 years, the rest of the family is rebuilding their lives.

The time had come. It was a dreary February day in 2018. Dakota had it all planned out.

His mother and five younger siblings were in the truck - some of them crouched out of sight on the floor.

They'd bundled into it as much as they could and made up an excuse - ostensibly they were heading to the trash dump just off the main highway, slick with black ice and crusted snow.

But just as they started to pull away, Dakota's father burst out the door of their remote cabin in the mountains of northwest Montana.

Dakota and his mother Tasha stiffened. The leader of the Oath Keepers militia had dominated their lives until that moment. Tasha and Stewart had been married for nearly 25 years, and she was familiar with his manic periods. He'd been up all night on a tear - working out, listening to music, practising Filipino stick fighting, pacing the floor.

It was a pattern of manic activity, Dakota said, that was familiar throughout years of emotional abuse and heightened paranoia.

"Hey," Rhodes growled. "Pick up some steak on your way back."

Dakota and Tasha murmured assent, and drove off towards the highway without a backwards glance.

Militiaman's son

With his beard and eye patch, Stewart Rhodes is one of the most recognisable faces of America's anti-government militia movement.

Since September, Rhodes and four members of the Oath Keepers, a militia group he founded in 2009, have been on trial in Washington for their roles in the 6 January Capitol riot. They were charged with seditious conspiracy - in this case, attempting to stop the certification of the 2020 election and the inauguration of Joe Biden - a crime that carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.

On the other side of the country, Dakota and Tasha, were closely watching the trial.

Dakota grew up "absolutely believing" in his father's view of the world - what he described as a "vision of a shadowy, malicious communist conspiracy seeking to institute a New World Order… aiming to seize total power and institute a one world government that would intentionally sow chaos".

It took until his teenage years for his faith in the coming government-backed apocalypse to be shaken, and until his early adulthood to finally escape.

Early memories
Things were not always that bleak.

Dakota Adams - he and his mother now use her maiden name - spent much of his earliest years not in the backwoods of Montana, but in the middle of America's east coast power centres.

His parents had met and married in the 1990s, and he was their eldest child.

Dakota lived his first years in the suburbs of Washington, DC where Rhodes was once an aide for libertarian congressman Ron Paul. When Dakota was about four or five years old, the family moved to Connecticut after Rhodes was accepted to Yale Law School.

Dakota recalled living on Chapel Street in New Haven and "having a set of neighbours that was so diverse that my street looked like the set of Sesame Street".

"I thought that that was just how the entire world was," he said.

He remembers the local pizza place and bagel shop, and playing with the children of graduate students from all around the country and the world, speaking the common language of Star Wars fandom.

"That was the one time I had a fairly normal childhood," he said. "It was the one time I had real friends and real social interaction."

Yet even then, according to Tasha, Rhodes displayed strange bouts of paranoia - the seeds of doubt that would later fuel his anti-government mission.

When they met, Rhodes was not particularly political, Tasha said, but was always devising strategies to avoid imagined enemies.

For example, for something as mundane as when he was checking the oil in his car, he would make Tasha stand guard "to make sure that no-one slammed the hood on his head," she said.

Dakota also recalled some dark memories. He remembered when he was around four years old waking his father up from a nap, only to have Rhodes jump up and pull out a folding knife.

"He would jokingly play it off as some kind of ultra manly animalistic caveman brain being activated before he was fully awake," Dakota said. "I've never heard of anything like that before or since."

Birth of the Oath Keepers
After graduating from Yale in 2004, Rhodes moved his family to various states in the American West while he worked as a lawyer. Over the course of these moves, his paranoia and anti-government sensibilities hardened.

The couple had five more children as the family ping-ponged across Arizona, Nevada and Montana. None attended a formal school. Some did not even have birth certificates.

In April 2009, the family was living in Nevada when Rhodes founded the Oath Keepers.

According to Tasha, the group was born of an all-night writing session during one of Rhodes's manic spells.

Tasha remembered trying to soothe one of her children as her husband blasted heavy metal music, and kept her from leaving the room.

He bashed out a foundational manifesto: "Declaration of Orders We Will Not Obey."

"I'm trying to get this poor baby to sleep, and he kept saying, 'Wait, wait till you see what I wrote,'" Tasha recalled.

Would he now stop them from fleeing? Had he noticed his favourite gun was missing? Would he question why John-Boy, the family dog, was along for the ride to the dump? Dakota gripped the wheel while Tasha looked down at her daughters, hidden under the windows, their eyes opened wide.

The militia movement has long been a feature on the fringes of American life.

Militia members have a range of views but are generally concerned with the power of the US federal government, clampdowns on individual freedom and gun ownership - concerns that sometimes tip over into outright paranoia. In 2021, there were 92 militia groups active across 30 different states according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, a non-profit that tracks extremist groups.

Rhodes - who once served as an Army paratrooper - founded Oath Keepers with the goal of recruiting military veterans, police officers and other first responders, as he imagined calling up legions of trained people who could fight against government tyranny.

His founding document began with a quote from George Washington and included some of the greatest hits of the militia world.

"We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people," Rhodes wrote.

There were warnings against blockades of American cities, detention camps and "the absurdly totalitarian claimed powers" of the president.

The document went viral in militia circles and would eventually push Rhodes into a series of conflicts with law enforcement.

But his wife didn't stand in his way.

"He kept saying the reason why he loses his temper, the reason why he's violent is because he hadn't found his path in life," Tasha said. "So part of me thought, well, maybe this will help fix whatever it is that's wrong with him."

At first, Rhodes did appear to find his calling.

In April 2009, Oath Keepers launched with an event in Lexington, Massachusetts, the site of the first battle of the American Revolutionary War.

Rhodes began travelling around the country to drum up support. He appeared on conservative YouTube channels, the Alex Jones radio show, and even popped up on mainstream TV networks.

His family became an integral part of the militia project.

Family life became Oath Keepers life. Tasha would welcome members into their home; Dakota would answer militia emails and, when he was older, drive his father to and from Oath Keepers events.

But during long stretches when Rhodes was on the road, the rest of his family felt like life was closing in on them.

"We were so insular and isolated that the date and time and what day of the week it was, or what year it was, had very little bearing on our internal lives," Dakota said.

Today, Dakota lives in a one-room apartment down a country road outside a small Montana town, not far from the family home he escaped.

Now 25, he wears his dark blond hair to his shoulders - a contrast to the mostly close-cropped haircuts of his childhood photos. He has a considered, precise way of speaking that occasionally tips over with emotion when talking intensely about his family.

He wants to tell his story accurately, so much so that he apologises when he struggles to recall exact dates amid the clear threads of his otherwise sharp memory.

Reflecting on his childhood now, he said he realised that the family had become "accessories to the Stewart Rhodes brand".

His father had "made his family the centre point of this cult of personality that he wanted to build for himself," Dakota said. "And this reality that he wanted to spin into existence, in which he would be a major saviour figure in American history."

As Rhodes's eldest son, he said he felt a tremendous pressure to maintain the family facade. He was expected to take up stereotypically manly pursuits that could serve militia purposes. They included a grab bag of survivalist skills, shooting practice, martial arts training and home-school history lessons that focused mostly on the American Revolution and the battle of Thermopylae.

Like many sons, Dakota longed for his father's approval, which was slow in coming.

"From early childhood on, there was a sort of a layer of adoration towards my father that slowly eroded away over the years," he said. "I saw myself as nothing but an enormous failure to my family that could never live up to Stewart's standards."

Uncomfortable memories
Kalispell, Montana, is a small but growing city that serves as a gateway to nearby Glacier National Park.

Standing outside one of the family's previous homes, a modest dun-coloured house opposite a row of trailers, it's clear the place brought up uncomfortable memories for Dakota, who had spent his early teenage years there.

He recounted one incident in particular, sometime around 2012. A beloved pet dog named Yeti was in ill health and eventually died inside the house.

"Stewart was busy with [Oath Keepers] conference calls and emailing people and he put off taking my dog to be cremated," he said.

It took three days for Rhodes to finally take the dog away. He joked about the smell of the carcass and teased his teenage son about his emotional attachment to the animal.

Dakota was furious.

"I was struggling with the impulse to jump out and circle around to the driver's side door and yank my father out of the car to beat him in traffic," he said.

Throughout hours of interviews, in tweets and in posts on their blogs, Dakota and Tasha recounted numerous similar incidents of verbal abuse and neglect. A few stood out - like the time Dakota described Stewart choking one of his sisters on the family's front porch.

"Until I was an adult man," he said, "I lived absolutely under the thumb of an emotional terrorist."

Through his legal team, Rhodes declined to comment for this story.

Heading to the mountains
The small city of Kalispell was not remote enough for Rhodes.

In the early 2010s, the family moved to a cabin hours to the north, in a small community in the mountains populated by like-minded militia members, preppers, and other people who usually prefer to be left alone.

As a young man, Dakota spent one summer digging escape tunnels on the property, preparing for what his father believed was an inevitable government assault on the family compound.

Out in the countryside, miles from the connections he'd made in town, Dakota's favoured hobbies - martial arts and the Boy Scouts - fell by the wayside.

Isolated and struggling, he slunk into a depressive state. He spent more and more time online, on extreme websites and forums such as 4chan, and described himself at the time as a "neckbeard" - a slang term meaning, to put it politely, a basement-dwelling computer nerd who neglects personal grooming.

Throughout that time, spurred on by Rhodes, Oath Keepers were expanding their reach.

Armed members patrolled Ferguson, Missouri, in 2015, on the one-year anniversary of protests after teenager Michael Brown was shot dead by a police officer. In the mid-2010s they were at the scene of standoffs between anti-government activists and law enforcement at the Bundy Ranch in Nevada and the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon.

But even as the militia grew, Rhodes's family struggled for money. The militia charged annual membership fees of $30, which later increased to $50, according to evidence in the criminal trial. Funds were supplemented by donations.

While a membership list leaked last year included 38,000 names, including some elected politicians and law enforcement officials, how many paid dues or for what length is unclear. Several people on the list who the BBC spoke to never paid anything. Rhodes has not filed tax returns since he founded Oath Keepers, according to evidence presented at his trial.

The money that did come in was poorly managed by Rhodes, his family said. Expenses - survival gear, ammunition and travel costs - racked up. While Rhodes would regale the family with stories of fancy meals on the road and militia training sessions, his wife and children frequently subsisted on bags of oatmeal and slices of dried fruit.

Amid all this, in Dakota's mind, his nagging doubts about the movement led by his father crystallised further.

"I started to see Stewart for who he really was, and I didn't believe in the end anymore. I didn't believe in the apocalypse," he said.

Time and again, his father's predictions of imminent social collapse and sweeping government crackdowns had failed to come true. That told him something. The end was not nigh.

"That meant that there was potentially something of my own future that I could still salvage," he said. "And it meant that I had to get my family away from Stewart."

Fighting fires
But how?

Dakota had no money, no formal education and a very small social circle. He took some steps in the right direction - he learned how to drive, and worked to pass his GED - the equivalent of a high school diploma. But the real transformation came after a random encounter at a petrol station while driving his father back from an Oath Keepers meeting.

A clerk there told him about the local volunteer fire department.

Dakota agreed to come along to the next meeting. It turned into the break that he needed.

Joining the fire department exposed Dakota to a new set of values that initially seemed to mirror what he heard at home: lessons about civic responsibility and preparedness. But at the fire station, people weren't talking about ancient battles, stockpiling guns and food, and raging against the government. They were getting out and helping people.

The experience expanded his social connections and led to paid jobs miles away from home, fighting wildfires as far away as California. His controlling father allowed him to leave home to fight fires, he said, because it fit the macho ideals he had for his eldest son.

Over all that time, he felt increasingly ready to leave, and as he moved into his 20s, Dakota realised that his siblings had been longing to escape even longer than he had.

"I was the last child to maintain any kind of loyalty or belief in Stewart's narrative," he said.

An initial plan developed. One after the other, the older children would move out of the family home, and help the remaining siblings escape.

"We were effectively going to daisy chain each other away," Dakota said.

A few late night conversations with his mother made him realise Tasha also wanted to leave.

Then came a lightning bolt.

The escape
The Gibralter Ridge Fire devastated thousands of acres in the nearby Kootenai National Forest. It began with a lightning strike in August 2017, and Dakota was one of the firefighters enlisted to fight the blaze.

He spent the summer and early fall battling the flames. It earned him enough money to buy his own truck, the first vehicle the family had that wasn't in his father's name.

"We were able to leave the house independently, instead of Stewart maintaining his strict control over our transportation," he said.

They had strategised for two years but their hand was forced, Dakota said, by the family's perilous financial situation. Being evicted from their woodland home was becoming an increasingly likely prospect.

"We were going to have to go through the worst case scenario of not having enough money to live and being homeless, with Stewart still in tow, if we did not pull the trigger," he said.

Tasha filed legal papers for divorce. The night before they escaped, on that grim day in February 2018, Rhodes and Tasha went for a drink at the bar at the nearby crossroads. The bartender kept looking her way, she recalled, because she kept crying.

"Stewart never noticed," she said. The family fled the next day.

Years in prison
It hasn't been easy. The family still lives in Montana. Tasha, Dakota, and his siblings have had to adjust to life outside of the militia movement, getting embedded in the more normal routines of work, school and community life.

Dakota found a house for rent, and later his own small space. In between several jobs and firefighting, he supports his family in a way, he says, that Rhodes never did.

Nowadays, he is studying subjects both new (art) and familiar (American politics) at a local community college.

Tasha still has not been granted a divorce, more than four and a half years after applying for one.

And still the ghosts of Stewart Rhodes and the Oath Keepers continue to linger.

Like many other political movements in America, the militia world was transformed by Donald Trump's first run for president in 2015. Rhodes and his Oath Keepers turned from staunch government opponents into imagined protectors of the Trump movement.

And after the 2020 election, the Oath Keepers geared up for conflict, stockpiling weapons and amping up the rhetoric, according to testimony presented in court.

When Dakota and Tasha tuned into news coverage on 6 Jan 2021, they didn't need to see Rhodes's face to know that he was there.

The giveaway was the "stack" - a formation of Oath Keepers in a line, their hands on the shoulders of the militia members in front of them, barging their way inside the Capitol.

Dakota had witnessed his father turn from a Trump sceptic into a full-throated supporter after the 2016 election.

In the lead up to the 2020 election, Rhodes envisioned his militia as a last line of defence protecting the Trump movement. In court he testified that he was waiting for Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act, a 200-year-old law which allows the president to call on armed forces and the National Guard to keep order.

In Rhodes' reading of that scenario, Oath Keepers would become almost a private Trump army.

"I knew that Stewart was really hitching his wagon to Trump and was going to have to bet it all on Trump retaining power, whether he won the election or not," Dakota said.

But now, Rhodes and one of his co-defendants, Kelly Meggs, have been jailed for 18 years and 12 years respectively, after being found guilty of the most serious charges to date stemming from the Capitol riot. Rhodes's sentence is the longest yet given to a Capitol rioter.

Three other Oath Keepers were found not guilty of the seditious conspiracy charge but were convicted on lesser charges, including obstruction of an official proceeding.

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Years after escaping his father's home, Dakota's anger is still palpable. So is his relief.

"I'm going to be able to breathe a little bit easier," he said.

His political path has diverged from his father's. Prior to the midterm elections he volunteered for local Democratic Party politicians.

And in 2020, Dakota was back in Kalispell, joining more than 1,000 protesters in support of the Black Lives Matter movement.

Armed militia members were there too. One of them got in Dakota's face - covered at the time due to Covid restrictions. When he lowered the bandana around his mouth, the man was stunned.

"He very quickly realised that I was Stewart's son and was completely shocked to see me on the other side of the protest line."

His apartment today has pictures of wildlife scenes on the walls and a microwave and hotplate in the corner.

His dog Mocha looked on as he pulled out his body armour and rifles.

Dakota admitted that he was out of practice when it comes to shooting and only dons his body armour when reporters ask to see it. He prefers to spend his down time studying, drawing, and writing. He has a blog and recounted his own journey in a long essay for the progressive website Raw Story.

These days the rifles don't get much use. They bring back unpleasant memories of Rhodes and Oath Keepers training events. Still, Dakota holds on to his guns - just in case.

"I have no confidence in the United States resisting a growing fascist movement," he said.

After their escape, the Rhodes children had occasional meetings with their father. But those gradually went by the wayside. Since the start of the Covid pandemic, he's had sporadic text messages from his father, Dakota said.

He hasn't replied to a single one.

Additional reporting and video by Chelsea Bailey and Eloise Alanna.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63709446

by Owendonovan Rhodes, who wears an eye patch after accidentally shooting himself in the face with his own gun, founded the Oath Keepers in 2009.

Of course he did, effin moron.

by ponchi101 What a POS.

by ti-amie This man went to Yale Law School. He could've joined a white shoe firm and been one of the people destroying the planet from the comfort of his home in the Hamptons. Instead he'll be watching the world go by from a Federal prison cell. No wonder no one from his family showed up.

by ti-amie Rhodes ex wife on what extremism is rooted in.
I also asked Adams what the big takeaway was for the day or what she thinks society can do to move away from extremism.

“That is a very big question. I wish we could find a way to move away from the fear of change. I really believe that is what extremism is deeply rooted in. Extremists are a group of people whose self-worth is completely entangled with a way of life that society has grown up and left behind. We don’t need those old belief systems of race, and gender and control anymore. And yet they truly they believe they will cease to exist in any meaningful way without them. I don’t know if there is a way to solve it, beyond time and communication (whenever possible,)” she wrote.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/05/25/n ... -18-years/

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by ti-amie I'll post more on Ken Harrelson's sentencing but not as much as yesterday.

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Geyer is going to let Harrelson speak first. he also identifies Angel Harrelson , Ken's wife, in courtroom.

Defendant Ken Harrelson: your honor, i've spent last 837 days in prison. got call J3 and was told by kelly meggs he needed personal security detail ...

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... threw weapon in car ... that will never hppen again i can assure you. never voted for president in my life. voted once in 2018 in state election in FL. don't care about politics. didn't then. dont' know. my wife does a bit now. after what we've been thru.
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i got into wrong car at wrong time. went to wrong place with wrong people. [crying]
added to couple chats on J3. ... when i got to DC i was told to report to micahel greene. they didn't have a room for me. had to buy my own food. almost left J5.

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Dolan very troubled that night. very upset. i wouldve gotten him out of there if i'd known. events that would transpire next day. i have no gripes with govt. should not have been there. should have paid more attention to what was said & my phone.

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99% of what i know i leanred at trial. like to truly apologize to officer harry dunn. when he came up those stairs & expressed they were killing his friends & carrying his friends out on stretchers, all i could say was 'really'? that was beginning of my wakeup.

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i didn't know salke was being attacked. like to apologize to ofc dunn & ofc salke. i would never attack police officer. i thought i was helping them. didn't know i was hurting anyone. coudlve done more & i apologize. think about that a lot. hard even for me to remember

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i didn't have a clue. not to say i did'nt have signs or warnings i shouldve paid attention to. i totally demolished my life. i'm responsible . my foolish actions have caused immense pain to my wife & children. [crying] i'm sorry. still have hard time talking about

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my family ... wanting to stay involved and wanting to separate them for me ... scared for them .. but i love them, very proud of them. for angel, my queen, truly sorry, thank you for being there and supporting me. thank you your honor.
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[above he was saying he was torn by wanting to stay involved with famiy and wanting to separate them from himself beause of what he'd done.]
Geyer [composing himself]: on the issue of variance--this is a tragedy for everybody here today. like to thank your clerks

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lot of late night filings pushing upper limits of page limits. i'd be remiss not to thank US Marshals. Also Lewisburg prison officials--quintessentially professional. profoundly impacted me. when he arrived at lewisburg he got his first piece of red meat since being in

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prison--a hamburg. his reaction was to weep. went outside ... birds. ... phenomenal conditions. it took him that long, 3 days to get used to sound of the birds. i know he's here because ofhis own acdtions. before J6 this was an american success story. his mother was a junkie
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he met her one time when he was 19. didn't go well. 1st wife, also a junkie. we don't know if she's still alive. angel grew up in bayou. mixed race. sister married american cowboy, african american. angel lost home to katrina. on 2d trailer when moved to ft benning where

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ken was stationed, hit it off ... truly love each other. while he was in prison he was not able to see the face of his kids since he's been in prison. not allowed to see wife. there was a love note passed ... my fault, not appropriate. ... court cut me some slack on that.

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i've looked at this from every angle ... he did not have requisite intent. yes brought a gun ... ive looked at his body language. i understand restrictions court is under given verdict ... i get it. if there was ever a reason for downward departure ...

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his daughter has to live at another address ... youngest daughter JROTC ... son in military after [advice from Harrelson].
there's some things i dont entirely agree with ... thing that merits another look . exchange just before going into rotunda ... came across new video

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in april. there was gap between when Harrelson leans in and asks Dunn what's wrong. Dunn says they're taking us out on stretchers. H says 'really?' Ken was not dressed as OK. wasn't in that stack that came up stairs. ... he's 5'11" ... he didn't have the vision ...

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... [if you have all that fever-pitched stuff that dolan had going on in his head, it's different from what's going on in Ken's head.] ... you can see prayer in rotunda. someone fell down to their knees. Meggs went over -- mistook that -- went over to help. just a guy praying/197

many people when they went into that rotunda--first time they'd been there. takes your breath away. you see that in ken's reaction. [it's like going from small town to Paris]
if i may ... [showing video inside rotunda ... not shown at trial ... publicly available] ...

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[video shows phone looking up at rotunda as people pray over it. ... then it shows exchange between Ken and Ofc Dunn ... Dunn: "Officers Down!"] ... Harrelson puts hand out in calming gesture. ... split second later you see him spin around. see his hands are up?

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[not sure what he's getting at.] see Ken straightarming rowdy protesters ...

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[Geyer also recounts:] based on everything court has thing ... Harrrelson can be heard saying 'they're storming the (expletive) capitol. whoop-de-(expletive) do.' and then dolan says: i think we should go up there. Harrelson: huh? Dolan: i think we should go up there. ...
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Geyer: when you compare to other cases -- kinds of violence other rioters engaged in. ... Reffitt case ... 87 months ... wearing body armor, carrying handgun, had flexicuffs ... horse of another color. Kevin Fairlamb case -- grabbed officers baton ...entered capitol with

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baton ... 41 months ... David Judd-threw firecracker at officer ... 36 mos ... [etc.]
i recognize that overall, looking at OKs case, court has found this is unique egregious conduct ... but looking at H's conduct, partial info, he was coming to ofc dunn's defense in his

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mind.
i appreciate time you've devoted to this matter. ask that you ... do whatever you can under circumstances to get this man back to his home. all i can tell you is he will exceed your expectations.
Judge: let's take a break. back in 15 minutes.

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(Most of the pro's were guessing 5-6 years. Feds asked for 15.)

Judge Mehta back on bench.

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Mehta: so guidelines: 97 to 121 months. [i.e, 8 years, 1 month to 10 years, 1 month]
Judge now reciting the statutory factors he's supposed to take into account. ...
With respect to disparities in J6 sentences ... [true,] but conspiracy is a different beast.
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conspiracy creates greater risk than when just one person is acting. ...
heightens seriousness of the offense. heightens the need for sentence to reflect the seriousness of the offense & to deter others from engaging in similar activity.

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you were convicted of one conspiracy. not seditious, not conspiracy to obstruct official proceeding.
it was a 6-yr max conspiracy you were convicted of.
you are a different person here today ... difficult to get a sense of what was in your mind and heart that day.

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jury has made a conclusion about some of your intentions.
i dont think you are what govt has suggested. don't think you are midlevel organizer here. don't remember you being the equipment guy. what distinguishes you from eeryone else--not a single word on single comms


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that anyone would construe as extremist. nothing about civil war or revolution ... either you were agreeing silently or more likely weren't looking at it at all. have difficulty believing you had that mindset. everyone else had [lots of such statement.]

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one thing i have trouble getting out of my mind and that's the pat-down of the officer [Salke] on the way out. witnesses said you were jubilant or "amped" about what you found out. ... maybe got caught up in moment. but implies you weren't just swept in. but again

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dont bear same degree of culpability as others. but need to be mindful of deterring others.
you're now 42. difficult childhood. made your way nevertheless. welder. army. serving honorably 5 yrs. facing personal challenges reflected in presentence report. mental healths
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challenges. battling some of your demons.
with help of loving wife ... managed to overcome some of this ... how you got caught up with OKs i dont know. sorry how much pain this has caused you & between you & your children.
J6 -- to have been part of that i'm sure is
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(There are some people saying his wife is MAGA)

something you'll regret for rest of your life.
at end of day ... right-size it against that of other defendants. ... looking at those metrics you were pretty far down list.
you were convicted of conspiracy & 2 20-yr felonies including getting rid of evidence

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i think you've suffered a great deal.
judgement is ...
term of 48 MONTHS on 3 and 9 and count 4.
[4 YEARS]


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Judge Mehta is now reading through the restrictions on supervised release after he finishes his term.
[Obviously, this is a very low sentence compared to what govt originally sought: 15 years. But his role really was pretty minor and his name came up seldom at trial.]
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Mehta: the reason for the [downward] variance in this case ... the 8-point enhancement altho met is really [out of whack] with his conduct. no threats of physical harm. jury [acquitted on 2 conspiracies.] think you're remorseful. good man. plenty of good in you ...

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I'm sure [after this is done] you can go on to be a terrific husband and father.
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Judge: Mr. Harrelson, i wish you and your family the best.
Adjourned.

I'm done for today too. Hope to see you soon.
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by ponchi101 The previous guy.
He never voted for a president.
But he decided to go one day to the Capitol to stop a proper transfer.
Sure. Totally non-political.

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by ti-amie Jan. 6 participant, identified nearly two years ago, is arrested near Obama home
Taylor Taranto was identified by "Sedition Hunters" in August 2021 and has been living in a van near the D.C. jail. He was arrested Thursday, more than two years after the Capitol attack.

June 29, 2023, 4:32 PM EDT / Updated June 29, 2023, 5:29 PM EDT
By Ryan J. Reilly
WASHINGTON — A conspiracy-minded Donald Trump supporter who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 was arrested Thursday near the home of former President Barack Obama, a law enforcement official told NBC News.

Taylor Taranto, 37, who was identified by online sleuths in August 2021 and is facing a lawsuit from the widow of a Metropolitan Police Department officer who died by suicide, recently showed up at the sentencing of David Walls-Kaufman, his co-defendant in the lawsuit. The lawsuit accuses both men of being involved in an assault on MPD Officer Jeffrey Smith on Jan. 6, which they have both denied.

While Walls-Kaufman was arrested last year and has already been sentenced, Taylor had not been charged.

In recent weeks, Taranto has been living in a van near the D.C. jailhouse, according to his social media, and has repeatedly wondered in online posts why he had not yet been arrested over Jan. 6. Taranto also posted a video of himself on YouTube inside the Capitol during the riot.

The Metropolitan Police Department said in a statement Taranto had been arrested under an outstanding arrest warrant, though the department did not specify what the warrant was for, and that he has been charged as a fugitive from justice. Officers on the scene had the explosives disposal team sweep his van near where he was arrested, the department said, adding that there is no active threat to the community.

Earlier Thursday, a Truth Social account that uses the same screen name that Taranto uses on other social media accounts, re-posted a Trump post that included what is alleged to be the address of Obama’s home in Washington and noted that the home is located near a mosque. “Got them surrounded!” the Truth Social account wrote.

NBC News has also been reviewing Taranto’s Telegram account. His last post was a link to a website touting conspiracy theories about the Obamas' home.

It was not immediately clear when Taranto would make a court appearance.

A spokesperson for Obama did not respond to a request for comment.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justic ... -rcna91915

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I'm sure their boy will pick up the tab. :lol:

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by patrick Would not be surprised if he is in another country. May get caught about 20 years or more in the future.

by ponchi101 I would be surprised because these people don't even know what a passport looks like. So, he would need to get one first.

by ti-amie Brandi Buchman @Brandi_Buchman

NOW: Henry "Enrique" Tarrio is sentenced to 22 YEARS in prison and 36 mos. supervised release.

by ti-amie Jordan Fischer @JordanOnRecord

🚨 SENTENCE: Former Proud Boys national chairman Enrique Tarrio sentenced to 22 YEARS in prison for his role at the top of a plot to stop the certification of the 2020 election. Tarrio's is now the longest Jan. 6 sentence to date.

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by ti-amie Trump appointee who 'betrayed' oath on Jan. 6 sentenced to nearly 6 years in prison
Federico Klein, a Marine Corps veteran and former State Department appointee, was convicted of eight felony counts.

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WASHINGTON — A federal judge sentenced a Marine Corps veteran and former State Department appointee to nearly six years in prison Friday, saying he'd "betrayed" the oath of office he'd taken.

In July, U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden found Federico Klein, 44, and another man, Steven Cappuccio, guilty on multiple felony counts for their role in a violent, hours-long assault on officers who were attempting to prevent rioters from entering the Capitol through a tunnel on the west side of the building. Klein was convicted of eight felonies, including six counts of assaulting, resisting or impeding police, but avoided a dangerous weapon enhancement that would have sent him immediately to jail like Cappuccio. Another defendant, Christopher Quaglin, pleaded guilty to all counts against him and is set to be sentenced in January.

Klein was a political appointee of former President Donald Trump at the time working for the State Department. He'd also volunteered with Trump's presidential campaign, and had worked in Nevada following the election to investigate the president's unsubstantiated claims of election fraud.

On Friday, McFadden sentenced Klein to 70 months in prison, or nearly six years, and $5,000 in fines and restitution. He said Klein's "shock and egregious" conduct on Jan. 6 warranted a significant prison term.

"I don't remember ever seeing a case where someone assaulted so many officers in such a short period of time," McFadden, himself a former sheriff's deputy, said. The judge also suggested Klein could have been charged under the Hatch Act — a federal law that prohibits executive branch employees from some political activities.

Prosecutors wanted Klein, one of only a small number of federal employees to be charged in connection with the riot, to serve 120 months, or 10 years, in prison. They said in a sentencing memo filed Friday that he volunteered to travel to Las Vegas to investigate claims of voter fraud and was “keenly aware” of the legal options available to challenge election results. The night before Jan. 6, according to prosecutors, Klein met with friends and told them he believed then-Vice President Mike Pence was not going to certify the election.

When Pence did not go along with the plan the next day, Klein joined the mob that was attacking police inside the Lower West Terrace Tunnel of the Capitol. There, he used a stolen police riot shield to wedge in a door and prevent officers from closing it and participated in a “heave, ho” effort to push past police. It was during one of those “heave, ho” efforts that DC Police Officer Daniel Hodges was crushed in a doorframe by another of Klein’s co-defendants, Patrick McCaughey III.

While in the tunnel, prosecutors say Klein committed at least five separate assaults on police also beckoned other rioters in and yelled, “We need fresh people!”

Klein’s attorney, Stanley Woodward, argued in his own motion that, despite his multiple felony convictions, his client was “no different than thousands of other protesters” on Jan. 6. He also argued that, because McFadden did not find Klein guilty of using a dangerous weapon against police, he should not be lumped in with other rioters who did.

“Mr. Klein readily admits that the events of January 6, 2021, are abhorrent. Mr. Klein regrets his role in the events of that day. Mr. Klein will be sentenced because of his individual actions and participation on that day,” Woodward wrote. “However, no one person can be held responsible for the events of that day, and while Mr. Klein was present in an area which saw a long and intense skirmish between Capitol Police and rioters, Mr. Klein should be held responsible for his actions and his alone.”

Woodward argued for a sentence of 40 days in jail and three years of supervised release – a sentence dramatically lower than any of Klein’s co-defendants convicted of similar charges have received. However, prosecutors also sought a sentence significantly above any McFadden has handed down to date in a Jan. 6 case.

In April, McFadden, a former deputy attorney general who was nominated to the federal bench in 2017 by former President Donald Trump, sentenced McCaughey to seven-and-a-half years in prison for assaulting Hodges with a dangerous weapon. He sentenced Robert Morss, a former Army Ranger who was convicted in a stipulated bench trial of multiple accounts of assaulting police with a dangerous weapon, to five-and-a-half years in prison. Geoffrey Sills, a Virginia man who robbed an officer and then beat him with his own baton, received four years in prison.

Klein, who did not make a statement during the hearing, was allowed to self-surrender. McFadden said he would consider a recommendation from Woodward about where Klein should be placed.


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NEW: A jury will now decide whether John Earle Sullivan was a journalist or a chaos agent when he entered the U.S. Capitol as part of a riotous mob.

He took the stand today to explain why, for example, he shouted, "We're about to burn this s*** down!"
Sullivan claimed "blending in" was critical to his safety as a journalist — and using a megaphone to stir up the crowd was part of that.

Prosecutors pointed out he'd been run out of multiple activist circles for for "grifting" and "sabotage."

Sullivan repeatedly made denials — about starting chants, about why he'd brought the bullhorn, etc. — that were quickly challenged by his own words on video.

"I'm telling you, I brought my megaphone to instigate s***," he says in one clip.

The jury has the case now. They'll be back at 10 a.m. tomorrow to begin deliberations.

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NOW: A NY mother and son who helped another rioter steal a laptop from the Speaker's office suite on Jan. 6 were sentenced to home incarceration.

Rafael Rondon will start his sentence after 14 months in prison for illegally possessing a sawed-off shotgun.

The sentence imposed by Judge Cobb is drastically lower than what prosecutors sought: approximately 4 years for both Rafael Rondon and his mother Maryann Mooney-Rondon.

Cobb said she was giving them a "significant break," and warned not to abuse it.

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by ti-amie So much criming...

Katie Phang
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NEW: A state grand jury in Arizona has returned a multi-count indictment against Mark Meadows, Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, John Eastman, Boris Epshteyn, Mike Roman, and several others for their criminal efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

Donald Trump is “unindicted co-conspirator 1.”

https://mcusercontent.com/cc1fad182b6d6 ... ent.03.pdf

Trump lawyer, Kenneth Chesebro, is “unindicted co-conspirator 4.”
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“Unindicted co-conspirator” —

From charging document in new Arizona fake electors case: “At the end of 2020, Arizona's Governor was Doug Ducey. On the day that then-Governor Ducey signed the certificate of ascertainment, which certified the vote, Governor Ducey received a call from the White House, which he did not answer. That day, Unindicted Coconspirator 1 posted a series of tweets berating Governor Ducey for certifying the election”

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