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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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This seems to be true. It's been around since last night and nothing about it has been challenged.



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So, Russia can invade Ukraine but Ukrainians cannot engage on Russian soil?
It is called war, last time I checked.
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Take a hint from Salt Bae when reading this.
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How does he know claim "victory"?
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There are horrific pictures being posted online of the massacres that took place in the city of Bucha in Ukraine. We saw the same kinds of pictures from Syria.

No worry. I will not post them here.
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But everyone can freely find on Twitter... And rightly so as this should not be forgotten!

Besides all the atrocities the other news is that Russians have for now left Northern and Northeastern Ukraine. All the border with Belarus including Chernobyl area again under Ukrainian control. Serious ground fighting ongoing in Kharkiv area and in the far south.
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As I am not in twitter, I will not look these images up.
I am ambivalent on whether to open a topic, WITH A STRONG WARNING, to post such pictures. While we know that the people here at TAT2.0 are intellectually sophisticated and we do not need pictures to understand the gravity of these situation, at the same time we also understand that a historical account of the events can be helpful, and such graphical evidence is unequivocally needed at times to grasp what has happened.
If as little as one person believes such a separate topic can be of help, I will open it, LIMITED TO MEMBERS. Again, a strong warning will be added.
I will also understand if such a topic will not be welcomed, at the time. We come to TAT2.0 to enjoy our time together. We all have enough worries already to come here and find something more to fret about.
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As long as there is a warning I don't see a problem Ponch. Some are really bad and are being posted on Twitter often with no warning.
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I certainly see no need for the pictures themselves and won't be viewing that topic... but just listen to any discussion about what is happening here.
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How much to show visually is an interesting subject...
On the one hand, of course, many images are extremely disturbing, and will cause distress.
On the other hand, they are real. This is the current reality on certain parts of the planet which we all share. And reality, no matter how horrible or distressing or uncomfortable, is always enlightening and educational.
Will seeing the photos bring anything positive, apart from educating people as to what is truly happening? I suppose it could possibly prompt some people to donate money or materials to the victims...

There is also, of course, in this day and age of manipulation and deceit combined with technology, the unfortunate possibility that some photos and even videos are not real.

All that said, I see no need to post graphic photos of war, etc. on a message board whose main topic is tennis. We know where to find the graphic photos if one so desires. Sometimes we even see them without seeking them out - as occurred yesterday when I suddenly saw on my TV the dead bodies strewn randomly on the streets and sidewalks of Ukraine... and wondered once again why the human animal is so profoundly defective.
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I explained why I would accept such a topic.
The topic is clearly marked and a warning is clearly stated.
I understand that many people will not want to see those pictures. But, if some people do, they will be there.
If you are subscribed to the topic, YOU WILL GET NOTIFICATIONS. If that was by mistake, you can unsubscribe by going to the TOPIC TOOLS menu (the little wrench at the bottom of every topic) and click UNSUBSCRIBE. You will no longer be notified of any new posts.
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No way to "ignore/block" a topic though is there?
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No. There is no function to ignore a topic/forum other than ignoring it physically (i.e. don't go there).
I know that the GRAPHIC topic is not pleasant but I trust Ti's ability to curate it properly. The images certainly are not suitable for all, but after seeing them I believe this is a needed record. For example, I am not a member of any social media and I do not search for this sort of news so I would not be able to find these images, but what the Russian Army(1) has done is indeed a war crime. I believe that the understanding that this makes their leaders, all the way to the top, war criminals, has got to be expressed at multiple levels, this forum being one of them.
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(1) Time to start separating the RUSSIAN ARMY and the RUSSIAN LEADERS from the RUSSIAN PEOPLE. Plenty of Russians have expressed their opposition to this war/invasion.
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Ok, will see if I can just not accidentally click on it. Don't see it being a problem, but if it is...well I'll just disappear for a bit. I enjoy our off topic discussions and I understand why discussing the war is important... but I'm not coming to this tennis board to view graphic content. That's over the line for me. Seeing the pictures doesn't make me understand what's going on any better, it just is upsetting (for me.)
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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I think we can just do with links with a trigger warning, no. If people choose to view, they can. I don't think we need to post the pictures on TAT. I've seen enough of these in the last month and a half to say no one outside of Russia or those who can affect this situation *needs* to see these. (NVM - saw there is a thread)
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