by ti-amie DAY 1: MONDAY, AUGUST 29
ARTHUR ASHE STADIUM
12:00 PM
MEN'S SINGLES R1
D. Medvedev [1] vs USA S. Kozlov
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
Qualifier vs USA C. Gauff [12]
7:00 PM
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
MNE D. Kovinic vs USA S. Williams
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
AUS N. Kyrgios [23] vs AUS T. Kokkinakis
LOUIS ARMSTRONG STADIUM
11:00 AM
MEN'S SINGLES R1
ARG F. Cerundolo [24] vs GBR A. Murray
WOMEN'S SINGLES
R1
Upcoming
ROU S. Halep [7] vs Qualifier
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
USA M. Keys [20] vs UKR D. Yastremska
7:00 PM
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
GRE S. Tsitsipas [4] vs Qualifier
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
CAN L. Fernandez [14] vs FRA O. Dodin
GRANDSTAND
11:00 AM
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
T. Maria vs GRE M. Sakkari [3]
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
FRA H. Tan vs CAN B. Andreescu
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
Qualifier vs CAN F. Auger-Aliassime [6]
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Not before 6:00 PM
USA T. Fritz [10] vs Qualifier
COURT 17
11:00 AM
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Qualifier vs FRA C. Garcia [17]
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
Qualifier vs ITA M. Berrettini [13]
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
ESP P. Carreno Busta [12] vs AUT D. Thiem
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Not before 6:00 PM
ROU J. Cristian vs EST A. Kontaveit [2]
COURT 5
11:00 AM
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
USA J. Wolf vs ESP R. Bautista Agut [16]
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
SUI S. Wawrinka vs Qualifier
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
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TUN O. Jabeur [5] vs USA M. Brengle
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
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NED A. Rus vs USA S. Rogers [31]
COURT 10
11:00 AM
MEN'S SINGLES R1
JPN Y. Nishioka vs ESP A. Davidovich Fokina
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
USA B. Shelton vs Qualifier
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
Qualifier vs CZE B. Krejcikova [23]
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
Qualifier vs ESP S. Sorribes Tormo
COURT 13
11:00 AM
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
USA A. Li vs COL M. Osorio Serrano
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
Qualifier vs GEO N. Basilashvili [31]
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
K. Khachanov [27] vs USA D. Kudla
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
CHN S. Zhang vs SUI J. Teichmann [30]
COURT 4
11:00 AM
MEN'S SINGLES R1
USA S. Korda vs Qualifier
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
BRA B. Haddad Maia [15] vs CRO A. Konjuh
MEN'S SINGLES R1
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SVK A. Molcan vs BRA T. Monteiro
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
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ARG N. Podoroska vs SVK A. Schmiedlova
COURT 6
11:00 AM
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Qualifier vs NED T. van Rijthoven
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
ITA C. Giorgi vs HUN A. Bondar
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
ROU E. Ruse vs AUS D. Saville
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Not before 4:30 PM
FRA B. Bonzi vs FRA U. Humbert
COURT 7
11:00 AM
MEN'S SINGLES R1
AUS J. Millman vs USA E. Nava
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
SRB F. Krajinovic vs AUS A. de Minaur [18]
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
CZE K. Muchova vs AUS A. Tomljanovic
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
Qualifier vs L. Samsonova
COURT 8
11:00 AM
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
V. Kudermetova [18] vs CRO D. Vekic
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
ARG T. Etcheverry vs ESP P. Andujar
MEN'S SINGLES R1
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Qualifier vs NED B. van de Zandschulp [21]
COURT 9
11:00 AM
MEN'S SINGLES R1
CHI A. Tabilo vs POL K. Majchrzak
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
USA E. Mandlik vs SLO T. Zidansek
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
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POL M. Frech vs CAN R. Marino
MEN'S SINGLES R1
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GBR J. Draper vs FIN E. Ruusuvuori
COURT 11
11:00 AM
MEN'S SINGLES R1
USA T. Paul [29] vs ESP B. Zapata Miralles
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
USA C. Vandeweghe vs BEL M. Zanevska
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
ITA M. Trevisan [27] vs E. Rodina
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Not before 4:30 PM
ITA L. Sonego vs AUS J. Thompson
COURT 12
11:00 AM
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
USA A. Riske-Amritraj [29] vs USA E. Yu
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
GBR K. Edmund vs NOR C. Ruud [5]
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
GBR H. Dart vs D. Kasatkina [10]
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
KAZ A. Bublik vs FRA H. Gaston
COURT 14
11:00 AM
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
SWE R. Peterson vs A. Kalinskaya
MEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
HUN M. Fucsovics vs USA M. Cressy [30]
MEN'S SINGLES R1
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CHI C. Garin vs CZE J. Lehecka
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
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Qualifier vs SRB A. Krunic
COURT 15
11:00 AM
MEN'S SINGLES R1
FRA Q. Halys vs FRA A. Rinderknech
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
Upcoming
ESP N. Parrizas-Diaz vs HUN D. Galfi
WOMEN'S SINGLES R1
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FRA D. Parry vs CHN X. Wang
MEN'S SINGLES R1
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SLO A. Bedene vs ARG P. Cachin
MEN'S AND WOMEN'S LUCKY LOSER SIGN-INS CLOSE AT 10:30 AM
by ponchi101 Medvedev @ noon in Ashe, Kyrgios @ Prime Time?
Ok. If they say so...
by ti-amie I didn't think the OoP's would be released until the qualifiers were placed but here we are.
by AcesAnnie 1st Day upset Oceane Dodin over Leylah Fernandez.
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote:Medvedev @ noon in Ashe, Kyrgios @ Prime Time?
Ok. If they say so...
TV? Europe gets Medvedev in the evening and Australia gets Kyrgios in the afternoon
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by meganfernandez Harmony Tan vs Andreescu - Can she do it again?
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ponchi101 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:29 pm
ponchi101 wrote:Medvedev @ noon in Ashe, Kyrgios @ Prime Time?
Ok. If they say so...
TV? Europe gets Medvedev in the evening and Australia gets Kyrgios in the afternoon
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Ah, you are right. That sounds plausible, and reasonable.
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patrick meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:30 pm
Harmony Tan vs Andreescu - Can she do it again?
No
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:45 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:29 pm
ponchi101 wrote:Medvedev @ noon in Ashe, Kyrgios @ Prime Time?
Ok. If they say so...
TV? Europe gets Medvedev in the evening and Australia gets Kyrgios in the afternoon
Ah, you are right. That sounds plausible, and reasonable.
Are you claiming that Daniil is a better primetime draw than Nick is without the Australian TV times taken into consideration? You guys seriously kill me if we're doing this again.
by AcesAnnie I think it is probably a little easier to set up a Prime Time match time for Europe while at the USO, even if it is in Russia, then it would be for Australia.
by Suliso A Russian player will not be popular anywhere right now. Least of all in the rest of Europe.
by
ashkor87 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:29 pm
ponchi101 wrote:Medvedev @ noon in Ashe, Kyrgios @ Prime Time?
Ok. If they say so...
TV? Europe gets Medvedev in the evening and Australia gets Kyrgios in the afternoon
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good point..
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ashkor87 AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:55 pm
1st Day upset Oceane Dodin over Leylah Fernandez.
no way!
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meganfernandez JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:52 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:45 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:29 pm
TV? Europe gets Medvedev in the evening and Australia gets Kyrgios in the afternoon
Ah, you are right. That sounds plausible, and reasonable.
Are you claiming that Daniil is a better primetime draw than Nick is without the Australian TV times taken into consideration? You guys seriously kill me if we're doing this again.
I wasn't referring to the on-site appeal, just the TV schedule. Kyrgios and Kokkinakas probably has more casual-fan appeal, but giving the defending champ top billing would be appropriate, too. It's a toss-up to me.
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JazzNU meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 6:47 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:52 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:45 pm
Ah, you are right. That sounds plausible, and reasonable.
Are you claiming that Daniil is a better primetime draw than Nick is without the Australian TV times taken into consideration? You guys seriously kill me if we're doing this again.
I wasn't referring to the on-site appeal, just the TV schedule. Kyrgios and Kokkinakas probably has more casual-fan appeal, but giving the defending champ top billing would be appropriate, too. It's a toss-up to me.
Eh. He's getting top billing by playing on Ashe. Raducanu is opening on Armstrong and her minions and Brits are outraged on social media. She's got more reason to be upset to me, and Medvedev has none. But this isn't the first time they have put a defending champ on Armstrong instead of Ashe, and certainly not the first time a defending champ isn't playing their first match in primetime. Maybe if it was the first time I'd get it, but it isn't.
by jazzyg For anyone with DirecTV, the usual five channels are available from 11 a.m. Eastern time until the day session matches end on each court, with no studio chatter from ESPN while the matches are taking place.
903: Ashe
904: Armstrong
905: Grandstand
906: Court 17
907: Court 5
by JXGJXG I'm finding it very difficult to find the summaries for the pools, once the votes are all in.
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meganfernandez JXGJXG wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 4:27 pm
I'm finding it very difficult to find the summaries for the pools, once the votes are all in.
Do you mean the day's Suicide Pool picks, or the poll on who will win the tournament?
The men's Suicide Pool summary is here, just numbers and no commentary yet:
viewtopic.php?t=1095
I don't think the women's SP summary is out yet.
The tournament polls are here:
ATP -
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1081
WTA -
viewtopic.php?t=1082
by meganfernandez Garcia, Riske, and Kalinskaya first through. Kudermetova right behind them. Garcia barely lost points on serve.
RBA and Wolf having the most ridiculous squabble. Men and their stupid towels.
by JazzNU Really nice win for Camilla Osorio over Ann Li.
Great fight and form from Sakkari in her match to beat the player that took her out at Wimbledon.
by JTContinental Zhizhen Zhang is fixing to try to be the first Chinese man to win a match at a grand slam. He's up 2 sets to 0 against grass court season afterthought Tim van Rijthoven, and they are currently 9-9 in the third set tiebreak.
by
JTContinental meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 4:38 pm
Garcia, Riske, and Kalinskaya first through. Kudermetova right behind them. Garcia barely lost points on serve.
RBA and Wolf having the most ridiculous squabble. Men and their stupid towels.
Sounds like someone was a little put out to be unceremoniously dumped out in straight sets.
van Rijthoven won the tiebreak 11-9
by JTContinental Zhang is fading and lost the 4th set 1-6. Meanwhile the other Chinese player in the draw (Wu) has won his first two sets.
by
JazzNU JTContinental wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:41 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 4:38 pm
RBA and Wolf having the most ridiculous squabble. Men and their stupid towels.
Sounds like someone was a little put out to be unceremoniously dumped out in straight sets.
Seriously. I thought the complaint was going to be Wolf was getting coached when he went for his towel, not that the towel was distracting him.
by ponchi101 Wu won.
Not a real upset because Basilashvili has been playing lousy tennis lately, but a bit, on paper.
by ponchi101 And I know it is not going to happen, but Daria Snigur (yes, go ahead, we can make that joke: Wu?) took the first set from Simona.
Ranked 124. That's how close the tour is.
by JazzNU Snigur just took the first set off of Halep. Not familiar at all, but looks like she's a junior GS winner, so not exactly a player that Halep should've been taking for granted she'd get past, not that that's a good plan at any time.
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nelslus JTContinental wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:39 pm
Zhizhen Zhang is fixing to try to be the first Chinese man to win a match at a grand slam. He's up 2 sets to 0 against grass court season afterthought Tim van Rijthoven, and they are currently 9-9 in the third set tiebreak.
.....Hard court specialist Tim van Rijthoven would like to thank you for your inspirational bemused contempt.
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nelslus ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 6:47 pm
And I know it is not going to happen, but Daria Snigur (yes, go ahead, we can make that joke: Wu?) took the first set from Simona.
Ranked 124. That's how close the tour is.
....AS was also true for Succubus Harmony Tan, Snigur only toyed with our dreams of a humiliating defeat for Patrick-coached Halep. AH, the pain is real.
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meganfernandez nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 6:59 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:39 pm
Zhizhen Zhang is fixing to try to be the first Chinese man to win a match at a grand slam. He's up 2 sets to 0 against grass court season afterthought Tim van Rijthoven, and they are currently 9-9 in the third set tiebreak.
.....Hard court specialist Tim van Rijthoven would like to thank you for your inspirational bemused contempt.
Can't believe TVR came back. Zhang had at least 3 match points.
JTContinental wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:39 pm
Zhizhen Zhang is fixing to try to be the first Chinese man to win a match at a grand slam. He's up 2 sets to 0 against grass court season afterthought Tim van Rijthoven, and they are currently 9-9 in the third set tiebreak.
I'm sorry, what? No Chinese man has won a match at a Slam?
by jazzyg Zhang had seven match points combined at 6-5 and 6-6 in the third set.
I had picked Zhang in YCWJ, but when I did the research, I realized it was a bad pick, and instead of changing to another match, I just flipped the pick to TVR. Such is life.
by meganfernandez Ben Shelton has won the first Slam set of his life. One down, 20 to go. He looks so wound up. Maybe he's always like that.
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nelslus meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:13 pmI'm sorry, what? No Chinese man has won a match at a Slam?
YET another unforced error form the rapidly TAT-reputation-slipping JT.
These are the first two Chinese men who have played in the singles main draw of the US Open. Chinese men have played in the main draw of other Slams:
https://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/artic ... _draw.html
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nelslus meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:22 pm
Ben Shelton has won the first Slam set of his life. One down, 20 to go. He looks so wound up. Maybe he's always like that.
He always looks like that. Bummer is, Ben had a set point in the first set- and lost the first set tiebreaker on a double fault.
by Deuce 1 - Coaching is permitted during the match for the men and the women now.
2 - There are boxes or bins for the towels. That is where the towels are designated to go. There are reasons for this (COVID, ensuring that each player has the same distance to travel to his/her towel, etc.) And so if a player decides to place his towel not in the designated area, it should not be allowed, plain and simple. I see no problem with any player complaining about it. If the player refuses to put his towel in the designated bin after being told to by the chair umpire, a code violation warning should be given.
3 - Tatjana Maria simply ran out of gas in the 3rd set vs. Sakkari. Having watched Tatjana a lot in Granby, I could see that she tires more easily than players 10 years younger - and on a hot, humid day like today, that will be even more evident.
Nice fight to come back and take the 2nd set, though... and I love her unorthodox game (as well as her fully participating family atmosphere).
4 - After Tan won the 2nd set over Andreescu, I went away from the match for about 20 minutes. Before returning, I thought about what the score might be when I switch it back on, based on the psyche of both players. I guessed 3-0 Andreescu, figuring she'd come out very aggressively in the 3rd. Then I switched to the match just in time to see them go to a commercial break at 3-0 Andreescu.
5 - Tommy Paul had a huge battle. While that's good for the confidence, it's not good for the body to start off with such a gruelling match on a hot, humid day.
by ponchi101 Snigur with a double break. This is the time in which this new coaching rule could prove the real value of a coach.
by meganfernandez BMH double-bageled Bondar.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 6:47 pm
And I know it is not going to happen, but Daria Snigur (yes, go ahead, we can make that joke: Wu?) took the first set from Simona.
Ranked 124. That's how close the tour is.
Felt like the KOD and was the KOD. Nicely done suliso.
by ponchi101 Snigur closes the deal. Totally in shock, she is pointing to her Ukrainian ribbon.
Excellent win.
by
JazzNU
Konjuh not Bondar.
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ponchi101 nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:06 pm
...
....AS was also true for Succubus Harmony Tan,
Snigur only toyed with our dreams of a humiliating defeat for Patrick-coached Halep. AH, the pain is real.
It is so great when you are wrong in these situations
...
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JTContinental nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:23 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:13 pmI'm sorry, what? No Chinese man has won a match at a Slam?
YET another unforced error form the rapidly TAT-reputation-slipping JT.
These are the first two Chinese men who have played in the singles main draw of the US Open. Chinese men have played in the main draw of other Slams:
https://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/artic ... _draw.html
The only thing slipping seems to be your trash talking, because all of those players lost their matches. Wu is the first to actually win one.
by JTContinental In other firsts, this was Gauff's first win on Ashe Stadium
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nelslus ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:58 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:06 pm
...
....AS was also true for Succubus Harmony Tan,
Snigur only toyed with our dreams of a humiliating defeat for Patrick-coached Halep. AH, the pain is real.
It is so great when you are wrong in these situations
...
....Harmony.....Harmony who?!?!
I have now taken a major step in my Suliso Apprenticeship.
I mean....COME on. Snigur serves for it a second time, goes down 0-30, you just KNOW that Halep is a-comin'-back. The two points that IMO won this match was the return miss on Harmony's 5 mph second serve at 15-30, and then Halep's horrible approach shot at 30-all. Nevertheless- hell, Snigur had to hit the freakin' pass, so props on that.
I mean.....Snigur is the sound I make when I sneeze.
by jazzyg What is the genesis for the dislike of Mouratoglou?
I missed the memo.
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nelslus JTContinental wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:59 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:23 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:13 pmI'm sorry, what? No Chinese man has won a match at a Slam?
YET another unforced error form the rapidly TAT-reputation-slipping JT.
These are the first two Chinese men who have played in the singles main draw of the US Open. Chinese men have played in the main draw of other Slams:
https://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/artic ... _draw.html
The only thing slipping seems to be your trash talking, because all of those players lost their matches. Wu is the first to actually win one.
LOL, well, damn, I was wrong, now that I re-read your initial post.
My trash talking is now sullied.
Neverthess, Slam Hard Court Legend Tim Van Rijthoven still wishes to have a word with you.
by Improbabledream Halep was looking as solid as in her entire career coming into this match... and now picking Cori day 1 seems way dumber than before... sorry but what is Oop?
by Improbabledream Order of play wow Im an idiot
by
JTContinental
Add an "S" and that describes Halep's match today
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ponchi101 JTContinental wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:15 pm
Add an "S" and that describes Halep's match today
Add a "P" and that describes Simona's play. The "S" is what everybody is saying now.
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nelslus jazzyg wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:04 pm
What is the genesis for the dislike of Mouratoglou?
I missed the memo.
Of course, I can't speak for the opinions of all of those who have the good taste to dislike Mouratoglou.
He's just always come off to me as smug and way-over-the-top grandiose about those he is coaching. Then, as soon as he can get away from Serena, Simona becomes his can't-fail Second Coming of Christ. As I can't stand Simona, this loss gives me even more pleasure to Patrick-bash.
by JTContinental Laura Robson is an astute observer--only three games in and she has clocked both Keys and Yastremska in terms of playing style and level of effort that they give.
by JTContinental Sascha Baijin is now coaching Yastremska--didn't they try this once before?
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JazzNU JTContinental wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:37 pm
Sascha Baijin is now coaching Yastremska--didn't they try this once before?
Yes. I posted about it in the coaching thread the other day. Neither made an announcement from what I can tell, so "coaching" may be a bit of a stretch pass this tournament, but he's there with her now. She put up a photo on her IG of them but few words, he put up nothing. That's atypical for him so not sure of the arrangement. I'd assume this is temporary for now.
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JazzNU jazzyg wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:04 pm
What is the genesis for the dislike of Mouratoglou?
I missed the memo.
I've asked before. There doesn't seem to be a great reason for it.
I would mind it less if there was more of a reason for it. I would also mind it less if other coaches with actual problematic stories surrounding their coaching like a Sam Sumyk were called out even a tenth as much as Patrick gets shade thrown at him.
by JTContinental Yastremska blows a chance to go up two breaks and 3 set points to lose the first set in a tiebreak. So far the match has been painful to watch--both players firing missiles down the center of the court until one of them can't control the pace and hit a wild UFE
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nelslus nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:23 pm
jazzyg wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:04 pm
What is the genesis for the dislike of Mouratoglou?
I missed the memo.
Of course, I can't speak for the opinions of all of those who have the good taste to dislike Mouratoglou.
He's just always come off to me as smug and way-over-the-top grandiose about those he is coaching. Then, as soon as he can get away from Serena, Simona becomes his can't-fail Second Coming of Christ. As I can't stand Simona, this loss gives me even more pleasure to Patrick-bash.
....WELL, I tried to explain....
Look, this is my favorite sport. When did it become mandatory to have "great" reasons for our likes and dislikes? I mean, IMO, I do have great reasons for disliking Novak and Zverev, for example. But, otherwise, it's all just subjective, of course.
by JTContinental Kasatkina lost, which is a bigger upset to me than Halep
by
Suliso I should have written something about Halep
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nelslus Suliso wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:22 pm
I should have written something about Halep
I ended up doing your dirty work this time.
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JazzNU JTContinental wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:21 pm
Kasatkina lost, which is a bigger upset to me than Halep
Not sure why she was playing today. It was suggested it would be a Tuesday match when it was announced. Not surprising she'd lose after Daria Saville was running her around the court every which way on Saturday afternoon. It was tiring just watching that second set let alone playing it.
Add one more to the list of those that win a title the week before a slam and lose in the first round.
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nelslus JTContinental wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:21 pm
Kasatkina lost, which is a bigger upset to me than Halep
Truly, I don't think I'll look at any result at this tournament as an upset anymore. Like many, I figured either upset COULD happen with these matches- among many potential upsets. However, for me, Kasatkina made the worst decision for almost all players- playing a tournament and a lot of matches the week before a Slam. I also figured that, albeit not by a HUGE factor, Snigur was more of a scrub than Dart.
Clearly, my post here is the very definition of picking nits. (Speaking of picking nits, bye-bye Teichmann.)
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nelslus JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:35 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:21 pm
Kasatkina lost, which is a bigger upset to me than Halep
Not sure why she was playing today. It was suggested it would be a Tuesday match when it was announced. Not surprising she'd lose after Daria Saville was running her around the court every which way on Saturday afternoon. It was tiring just watching that second set let alone playing it.
Add one more to the list of those that win a title the week before a slam and lose in the first round.
I wish the Slams could just find a way to let the tournament finalists before a Slam get an extra day off. I get this could then complicate things, and perhaps force these players potentially to play two singles matches in a row if they win their first round matches, depending on the tournament draws? Bottom line is- almost always- if you want to be a Slam contender, don't play a tournament before a Slam.
by ponchi101 Kasatkina played last week. Sure. She won. Sure. She played 4 matches.
But she played 2 matches combined the two previous weeks, at Toronto and Cincy. It is not as if she has a load of matches lately.
She simply fluctuates wildly, and plays her best tennis at smaller events, because it is not as if Darriet Hart was a killer draw. And if she can't recover from one match after having one day off, well, she would have lost earlier last week.
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ti-amie
I saw that and was kind of surprised. I had wanted to see that match to see if Haddad Maia continued her hot streak.
by ti-amie It was ridiculous to schedule Kasatkina today.
It was ridiculous for Kasatkina to play the week before a Slam.
I think Mannarino, who won in W-S, is scheduled for tomorrow.
I don't know who to blame.
by ti-amie Galan is up 3-0 on Stefanos first set. Apostolos isn't there?
by ti-amie Christian's right leg is so heavily taped! It looks like the leg of someone who has had knee surgery.She and Kontaveit are tied 3 all first set.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:54 pm
Kasatkina played last week. Sure. She won. Sure. She played 4 matches.
But she played 2 matches combined the two previous weeks, at Toronto and Cincy. It is not as if she has a load of matches lately.
She simply fluctuates wildly, and plays her best tennis at smaller events, because it is not is if Darriet Hart was a killer draw. And if she can't recover from one match after having one day off, well, she would have lost earlier last week.
She won the tournament before Toronto as well. And she got to the semis at the French. She doesn't fluctuate as much as you're making her out to, which is why she's back in the Top 10. It
And it's not just the limited time off, it's the travel as well. There's a reason this happens so often when they aren't given the two days.
Harriet Dart may not be the toughest draw, but she was able to get practice time on court versus Kontaveit yesterday and likely someone decent on Saturday as well, better preparation than travel and a likely rushed solo practice that Daria got.
by ti-amie Speaking of Daria's Saville is out to Ruse.
The schedule wasn't fair to Kasatkina or Saville.
by ponchi101 About Kasatkina still. If she hadn't played last week, she would be coming in with almost two weeks of no competitive tennis.
Look at Halep; the total opposite scenario. She won Toronto, decided it was enough tennis as preparation for the USO. She came in rested, with a big win. Yet, out.
The losing finalist at Toronto did the same, and today crushed the best opponent of the three we are talking about. This thing about having to come rested depends on the player.
And yes, Saville made Kasatkina run. A 4&4 match, slightly under 2 hours. It was not a titanic struggle.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:14 pm
It was ridiculous to schedule Kasatkina today.
It was ridiculous for Kasatkina to play the week before a Slam.
I think Mannarino, who won in W-S, is scheduled for tomorrow.
I don't know who to blame.
This is why I'm not pleased with the US Open. Half the finalists are scheduled for Tuesday (both men and Sasnovich) and the other half today. Do it for all 6 and eliminate the problem.
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nelslus ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:54 pm
Kasatkina played last week. Sure. She won. Sure. She played 4 matches.
But she played 2 matches combined the two previous weeks, at Toronto and Cincy. It is not as if she has a load of matches lately.
She simply fluctuates wildly, and plays her best tennis at smaller events, because it is not as if Darriet Hart was a killer draw. And if she can't recover from one match after having one day off, well, she would have lost earlier last week.
Tell all of that to Saville, now, too, brother. She's out.
I'm telling you- almost always, don't play the tournament before any Slam.
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nelslus JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:30 pmThis is why I'm not pleased with the US Open. Half the finalists are scheduled for Tuesday (both men and Sasnovich) and the other half today. Do it for all 6 and eliminate the problem.
Slams have done this through the years- most definitely the US Open. In addition to what I've said before- another way that the Slams can be quite players-unfriendly.
by ponchi101 Sure. It looks like it is not advisable, on many occasions.
But it is circular. The players that play at the small tournaments are not the top players; ergo, they lose early at the big tournaments.
So the sample is a bit skewed. I am sure that if the top players were to play those tournaments, they would still do well at the slams. Daria Saville losing in the first round here is not because of the scheduling; it is because she is Daria Saville.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:29 pm
And yes, Saville made Kasatkina run. A 4&4 match, slightly under 2 hours. It was not a titanic struggle.
Unnecessary. The match was grueling with both of them doubled over catching their breath many times.
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JazzNU nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:34 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:30 pmThis is why I'm not pleased with the US Open. Half the finalists are scheduled for Tuesday (both men and Sasnovich) and the other half today. Do it for all 6 and eliminate the problem.
Slams have done this through the years- most definitely the US Open. In addition to what I've said before- another way that the Slams can be quite players-unfriendly.
Most definitely. But there's been more of a push recently to improve this and it was very clearly floated that all the finalists would be playing on Tuesday, none of Monday. So that's what it seemed like it would be. I saw it online, they said it on Tennis Channel during the matches, that was the initial thinking. But no, half of them got screwed as they clearly decided to not help everyone out.
by ponchi101 Anything wrong with Tsitsipas? 0-6, 0-3 to Galan. Something is very off.
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nelslus JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:41 pmMost definitely. But there's been more of a push recently to improve this and it was very clearly floated that all the finalists would be playing on Tuesday, none of Monday. So that's what it seemed like it would be. I saw it online, they said it on Tennis Channel during the matches, that was the initial thinking. But no, half of them got screwed as they clearly decided to not help everyone out.
Problem always is, tennis poo-bahs, talk, talk and talk. Making changes almost always happens at a glacial rate.
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ponchi101 nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:53 pm
...
Problem always is, tennis poo-bahs, talk, talk and talk.
Making changes almost always happens at a glacial rate.
If at all.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:45 pm
Anything wrong with Tsitsipas? 0-6, 0-3 to Galan. Something is very off.
Galan playing out of his mind and Stefanos having a meltdown is what it seems like right now. Unforced errors out the wazoo.
But he's drumming up an excuse right now from the looks of it getting his BP checked (it's fine).
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nelslus ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:45 pm
Anything wrong with Tsitsipas? 0-6, 0-3 to Galan. Something is very off.
0-6, 0-5.....
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meganfernandez nelslus wrote:ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:45 pm
Anything wrong with Tsitsipas? 0-6, 0-3 to Galan. Something is very off.
0-6, 0-5.....
Don’t know what’s worse, Tsitsipas’s form or Serena’s dress. The outfit looks so cheap. I am stunned.
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Deuce ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:54 pm
Kasatkina played last week. Sure. She won. Sure. She played 4 matches.
But she played 2 matches combined the two previous weeks, at Toronto and Cincy. It is not as if she has a load of matches lately.
She simply fluctuates wildly, and plays her best tennis at smaller events, because it is not as if Darriet Hart was a killer draw. And if she can't recover from one match after having one day off, well, she would have lost earlier last week.
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:29 pm
About Kasatkina still. If she hadn't played last week, she would be coming in with almost two weeks of no competitive tennis.
Look at Halep; the total opposite scenario. She won Toronto, decided it was enough tennis as preparation for the USO. She came in rested, with a big win. Yet, out.
The losing finalist at Toronto did the same, and today crushed the best opponent of the three we are talking about. This thing about having to come rested depends on the player.
And yes, Saville made Kasatkina run. A 4&4 match, slightly under 2 hours. It was not a titanic struggle.
Yes, Kasatkina should have received a Tuesday start in N.Y. We don't know if she requested one or not - but that shouldn't matter - a Tuesday start for her and for Gavrilova (Saville) should have been automatic.
That said, as ponchi points out (twice) above... Kasatkina lost early in Toronto and Cincinnati - and if she would not have played the Granby 250 last week and still lost today, those criticizing her playing Granby now would be saying that she lost because she DIDN'T play last week after two early losses the previous weeks!
After early loses in Toronto and Cincinnati, it's entirely understandable that she wanted to find some good form, and did not want to go to N.Y. on the back of consecutive early losses. She wanted to find her form and regain some confidence - so she played Granby (which she would not have played if she had won a couple of rounds in Cincy). To me, this makes perfect sense.
Everyone's a Monday morning quarterback - but it's meaningless. These players know what's best for them far more than any of us do.
by ponchi101 Ok, Stefanos will win in 5. He just could not stand not being the star of the night, and wanted a bit of drama.
Man, if he ever dated Alize...
by skatingfan Kasatkina is inconsistent - she won 2 titles this summer, and had 3 first round loses.
The US Open is Halep's worst of the four Grand Slam events.
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dryrunguy ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:25 am
Ok, Stefanos will win in 5. He just could not stand not being the star of the night, and wanted a bit of drama.
Man, if he ever dated Alize...
The love child... Big nostrils. Lots of hair. Theatre major at university.
by Deuce I wonder if Kasatkina would still be inconsistent if she had a professional serve, instead of the serve of an 8 year old girl.
Her weak serve (and that's being kind) puts more pressure on the rest of her game, of course. That can wear you down psychologically.
I watched her serving in practice last week live. In practice, she has a normal, average WTA level serve, and it can be used as a weapon at times. But in matches, which is when it counts, she merely puts the ball in play very politely. It seems pretty obvious then that the problem with her serve is not physical, but is psychological in nature (nerves, anxiety, pressure, etc.).
by Owendonovan Unless it's qualies, I wouldn't be playing right before a slam. A 3nd round win at a slam is probably close if not more than the winners prize money at a 250 event. At least she's not suffering in the closet anymore.
by ponchi101 Ok. Maybe Stefanos really was not playing well.
Galan is two points away and I just don't want to jinx him, but...
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ponchi101 Owendonovan wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:35 am
Unless it's qualies, I wouldn't be playing right before a slam. A 3nd round win at a slam is probably close if not more than the winners prize money at a 250 event. At least she's not suffering in the closet anymore.
But isn't that like counting the chickens before they hatch?
It can be done; we saw it with Krejcikova. And I wonder if these top players, and Kasatkina is a top ten player, can think about results that way. "Oh, I will not plat this week because if I do, then I will lose in 1R at the USO".
I am sure she felt she had good chances, and she did. It was not like she was blown off the court.
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Deuce Owendonovan wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:35 am
Unless it's qualies, I wouldn't be playing right before a slam. A 3nd round win at a slam is probably close if not more than the winners prize money at a 250 event. At least she's not suffering in the closet anymore.
You might reconsider that position if you had lost in the 1st round in 2 consecutive weeks in the weeks leading up to a Major.
Surely if you had lost in the 1st round 2 consecutive weeks leading up to a Major, and then lost in the 1st round of the Major, you would reconsider if the same scenario occurred again in the future, no?
Again - she lost 1st round in Toronto and Cincinnati. Those are not the results you want to go into a Major with. So, given that, and given that she played only one match in each of those weeks, it made sense for her to play Granby.
by Deuce Tsitsipas has saved 8 match points, and counting.
#9 coming up now...
by dryrunguy How many match points has Galan had?
by dryrunguy Galan beats Tsitsipas. Holt beats Fritz. Astounding.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:25 am
Ok, Stefanos will win in 5. He just could not stand not being the star of the night, and wanted a bit of drama.
Man, if he ever dated Alize...
Batting 1000. Truly channeling Suliso today.
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meganfernandez dryrunguy wrote:How many match points has Galan had?
I think he had 9. Tsitsipas did so well to hang in there. But great win from Galán. He was fun to watch. Fast dude.
Lots of upsets today.
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JazzNU skatingfan wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:28 am
Kasatkina is inconsistent - she won 2 titles this summer, and had 3 first round loses.
Her first round losses were to Bianca in Toronto and Amanda in Cincy. But sure, let's act like they're generic first round losses.
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ponchi101 JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 2:00 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:25 am
Ok, Stefanos will win in 5. He just could not stand not being the star of the night, and wanted a bit of drama.
Man, if he ever dated Alize...
Batting 1000. Truly channeling Suliso today.
He is in a different time zone, so he asked me to double for him...
(Yes, I am being horrible today)
by ponchi101 Halep, Fritz and Stefanos. 3 high seeds. So, officially a day of upsets?
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JazzNU meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 2:01 am
dryrunguy wrote:How many match points has Galan had?
I think he had 9. Tsitsipas did so well to hang in there. But great win from Galán. He was fun to watch. Fast dude.
Lots of upsets today.
It was 9. They just replayed highlights at the end of the match on ESPN+ so I was able to double check.
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nelslus JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 2:00 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:25 am
Ok, Stefanos will win in 5. He just could not stand not being the star of the night, and wanted a bit of drama.
Man, if he ever dated Alize...
Batting 1000. Truly channeling Suliso today.
Suliso was one of four here who picked Tsitsipas to win the tournament.
Sulliso shall not be out-sulisoed anytime soon.
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Deuce ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 2:12 am
Halep, Fritz and Stefanos. 3 high seeds. So, officially a day of upsets?
Yes.
Add Kasatkina, too.
And the day's not over yet...
by JazzNU FYI, I'm sure it'll get updated soon, but if your ESPN Plus app isn't updating super fast right now with names and courts and you want to watch Leylah's match against Dodin, choose the Tsitsipas vs. Galan match in order to watch it now.
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skatingfan JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 2:07 am
Her first round losses were to Bianca in Toronto and Amanda in Cincy. But sure, let's act like they're generic first round losses.
She lost to someone ranked outside the top 50, and a player who pulled out of the next round with an injury. They were bad loses for someone ranked in the top 20.
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Improbabledream nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:35 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:23 pm
jazzyg wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:04 pm
What is the genesis for the dislike of Mouratoglou?
I missed the memo.
Of course, I can't speak for the opinions of all of those who have the good taste to dislike Mouratoglou.
He's just always come off to me as smug and way-over-the-top grandiose about those he is coaching. Then, as soon as he can get away from Serena, Simona becomes his can't-fail Second Coming of Christ. As I can't stand Simona, this loss gives me even more pleasure to Patrick-bash.
....WELL, I tried to explain....
Look, this is my favorite sport. When did it become mandatory to have "great" reasons for our likes and dislikes? I mean, IMO, I do have great reasons for disliking Novak and Zverev, for example. But, otherwise, it's all just subjective, of course.
I agree you dont need to have great reasons but I am curious about your dislike of halep. She seems so demure and plain I dont know why someone could have strong feelings about her whether they be positive or negative.
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Improbabledream meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 2:01 am
dryrunguy wrote:How many match points has Galan had?
I think he had 9. Tsitsipas did so well to hang in there. But great win from Galán. He was fun to watch. Fast dude.
Lots of upsets today.
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Losing a 2 set lead in a slam final has to leave a mark, I dont think he has been the same since. The guy needs to fire his dad honestly
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nelslus Improbabledream wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:14 am I agree you dont need to have great reasons but I am curious about your dislike of halep. She seems so demure and plain I dont know why someone could have strong feelings about her whether they be positive or negative.
I find her game to be very dull. My partner calls her one of the too many "golden retrievers" on the tours- gets everything back, wears players down. Not creative enough. IMO, she is so dour and pouty on the court. I am SO tired of the many players who bark at their coach and team repeatedly. I'm also not into demure and plain. Dull in interviews, rarely shows any joy on the courts, IMO. She bores me, which is unforgivable.
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Jeff from TX dryrunguy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:59 am
Galan beats Tsitsipas. Holt beats Fritz. Astounding.
I'm sure that most of you know this, but I had no idea that Holt was Tracy Austin's son.
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ashkor87 Jeff from TX wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:47 am
dryrunguy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:59 am
Galan beats Tsitsipas. Holt beats Fritz. Astounding.
I'm sure that most of you know this, but I had no idea that Holt was Tracy Austin's son.
yep, Holt and Mandlik make me feel old... used to watch their moms! and Korda too.. actually quite liked Petr..
by ashkor87 what did Snigur do right against Halep? I can only see the YouTube highlights, they dont tell you much.. Halep seemed to be somewhat listless and passive, but cant be sure..?
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote:what did Snigur do right against Halep? I can only see the YouTube highlights, they dont tell you much.. Halep seemed to be somewhat listless and passive, but cant be sure..?
I didn’t see it until the end but then she kept the ball pretty deep and played more aggressively. Halep seemed rushed all the time. Made a lot of errors.
I wasn’t impressed with Snigur’s game, personally. FH is like Medvedev’s and was fairly weak. I don’t know how she won.
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ashkor87 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:20 am
ashkor87 wrote:what did Snigur do right against Halep? I can only see the YouTube highlights, they dont tell you much.. Halep seemed to be somewhat listless and passive, but cant be sure..?
I didn’t see it until the energy but then she kept the ball pretty deep and played more aggressively. Halep seemed rushed all the time. Made a lot of errors.
I wasn’t impressed with Snigur’s game, personally. FH is like Medvedev’s and was fairly weak. I don’t know how she won.
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Thanks..yes, Snigur's forehand seemed slappy .would break down if pressed...
by ashkor87 Peaking or not, the evidence keeps coming .going deep at Toronto and Cincy is bad for your usopen prospects .Halep and kasatkina seemed completely out of gas..let us see if Garcia and Samsoniva are more resilient...,!
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Suliso ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:06 pm
Peaking or not, the evidence keeps coming .going deep at Toronto and Cincy is bad for your usopen prospects .Halep and kasatkina seemed completely out of gas..let us see if Garcia and Samsoniva are more resilient...,!
Let's assume for the discussions sake that you're right. If so what's the optimal strategy if USO performance matter for you more than anything else? Play only one of them? Don't play anything? Tank after getting 2-3 matches in?
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ashkor87 Suliso wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 2:17 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:06 pm
Peaking or not, the evidence keeps coming .going deep at Toronto and Cincy is bad for your usopen prospects .Halep and kasatkina seemed completely out of gas..let us see if Garcia and Samsoniva are more resilient...,!
Let's assume for the discussions sake that you're right. If so what's the optimal strategy if USO performance matter for you more than anything else? Play only one of them? Don't play anything? Tank after getting 2-3 matches in?
That is hardly my concern is it? I am not anybody's coach nor am I their keeper..!
by Suliso Ugh? What kind of answer is that? Ok, let's imagine you were a player or a coach. What would you do?
by ponchi101 And, look at Samsonova. She played last week, reached the final and won her tournament, and yesterday she won easily. So, why was Samsonova able to come back and play another match, two days later, and win.
@Ashkor. Sure, you are nobody's coach. But you are bringing the subject to the conversation. You are saying that winning ANY of the prior tournaments before the USO is bad for your prospects. And when Suliso asks you about what would be the proper strategy, you claim you are not a coach. We know that, but we are talking tennis here, not delivering scheduling plans to the players.
Really: what would you do if you are playing the week BEFORE the USO? One fellow member suspects that Kostyuk totally tanked the SF's at Granby, by claiming an injury and withdrawing, when (in his opinion) she was clearly fit to play. What should players do?
by ashkor87 I remember Borg used to take 2 weeks totally off before and after a major.
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ashkor87 Suliso wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:15 pm
Ugh? What kind of answer is that? Ok, let's imagine you were a player or a coach. What would you do?
Why would anyone care what I would do? I have never played at this level. I am merely a witness, observing and commenting on what I see. I am not advising anybody.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:58 pm
I remember Borg used to take 2 weeks totally off before and after a major.
Yes, and Pete never played a warmup event before Wimbledon, but he did play the summer circuit before the USO.
And I am with Suliso. Yes, nobody should CARE about what you would do, but I am curious as to what you would do. For me, AS A PLAYER, and dreaming I would have reached the level of Slam competitor, I would play the week before a slam. For me, I need to get a lot of rhythm to play my best tennis, and I don't get rhythm easily. It takes me a good couple of weeks. So, again, IF I HAD BEEN GOOD ENOUGH, I would probably had played Canada, skip Cincy, and play W-S, to come into the USO with enough matches under my belt.
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JTContinental JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:30 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:14 pm
It was ridiculous to schedule Kasatkina today.
It was ridiculous for Kasatkina to play the week before a Slam.
I think Mannarino, who won in W-S, is scheduled for tomorrow.
I don't know who to blame.
This is why I'm not pleased with the US Open. Half the finalists are scheduled for Tuesday (both men and Sasnovich) and the other half today. Do it for all 6 and eliminate the problem.
As the runner of the SP, I desperately hope they never do that unless they deliberately put them all on the same half of the draw
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JTContinental meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:05 am
nelslus wrote:ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:45 pm
Anything wrong with Tsitsipas? 0-6, 0-3 to Galan. Something is very off.
0-6, 0-5.....
Don’t know what’s worse, Tsitsipas’s form or Serena’s dress. The outfit looks so cheap. I am stunned.
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Really? I thought it was fabulous. Im coveting her diamond encrusted shoes. I loved Olympia in the matching dress and hair beads too.
by JTContinental It doesn’t seem like rocket science to observe that the USO is going to schedule to favor the American players, just like all the other slams do for their home prospects, as well. The average American viewer couldn’t care less how tired Kasatkina going into the Open, and wouldn’t even know who Daria Saville is.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:41 pm
And, look at Samsonova. She played last week, reached the final and won her tournament, and yesterday she won easily. So, why was Samsonova able to come back and play another match, two days later, and win.
@ponchi, I have no idea why you keep at this, but honestly, this all comes off as you not watching these matches. And I know why that's the case. But if you had watched them, I doubt you would have posted this or made fun of the effort in the other match.
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meganfernandez JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:47 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:05 am
nelslus wrote:
0-6, 0-5.....
Don’t know what’s worse, Tsitsipas’s form or Serena’s dress. The outfit looks so cheap. I am stunned.
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Really? I thought it was fabulous. Im coveting her diamond encrusted shoes. I loved Olympia in the matching dress and hair beads too.
I liked elements of it, loved the idea of sparkles, but it was ill-fitting, unflattering, and constantly bunched up at the waist, and it didn't look well-made. Close up, it looked like a home-sewn recital costume. The sparkly tank read so juvenile to me. I had a visceral reaction to it. One of her worse dresses by far IMO.
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JazzNU ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:59 am
what did Snigur do right against Halep? I can only see the YouTube highlights, they dont tell you much.. Halep seemed to be somewhat listless and passive, but cant be sure..?
She rushed Halep on many points, getting the ball by her before she was ready. Her forehand is unorthodox, feels like something that may not hold up against others after they get a look at it. It's somehow good, but not something that you should teach. It's odd and awkward, but whatever it is, it was very effective against Simona yesterday.
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JazzNU meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 5:38 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:47 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:05 am
Don’t know what’s worse, Tsitsipas’s form or Serena’s dress. The outfit looks so cheap. I am stunned.
Really? I thought it was fabulous. Im coveting her diamond encrusted shoes. I loved Olympia in the matching dress and hair beads too.
I liked elements of it, loved the idea of sparkles, but it was ill-fitting, unflattering, and constantly bunched up at the waist, and it didn't look well-made. Close up, it looked like a home-sewn recital costume. The sparkly tank read so juvenile to me. I had a visceral reaction to it. One of her worse dresses by far IMO.
Wow! Tell me how you really feel...
I'd suggest reading about the dress and maybe you'll appreciate the design a bit more.
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jazzyg nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:35 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:23 pm
jazzyg wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:04 pm
What is the genesis for the dislike of Mouratoglou?
I missed the memo.
Of course, I can't speak for the opinions of all of those who have the good taste to dislike Mouratoglou.
He's just always come off to me as smug and way-over-the-top grandiose about those he is coaching. Then, as soon as he can get away from Serena, Simona becomes his can't-fail Second Coming of Christ. As I can't stand Simona, this loss gives me even more pleasure to Patrick-bash.
....WELL, I tried to explain....
Look, this is my favorite sport. When did it become mandatory to have "great" reasons for our likes and dislikes? I mean, IMO, I do have great reasons for disliking Novak and Zverev, for example. But, otherwise, it's all just subjective, of course.
I agree with that sentiment totally. I just did not know what the issue with him was and wanted to find out.
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jazzyg JTContinental wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:21 pm
Kasatkina lost, which is a bigger upset to me than Halep
You do have some bizarre takes for someone who follows women's tennis closely.
That's not a supportable opinion on any basis.
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JTContinental jazzyg wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 5:50 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:21 pm
Kasatkina lost, which is a bigger upset to me than Halep
You do have some bizarre takes for someone who follows women's tennis closely.
That's not a supportable opinion on any basis.
OK
Says you
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ponchi101 JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 5:31 pm
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@ponchi, I have no idea why you keep at this, but honestly, this all comes off as you not watching these matches. And I know why that's the case. But if you had watched them, I doubt you would have posted this or made fun of the effort in the other match.
I'm making fun? Wow!
And I keep at this because I think you guys always are coming up with explanations a posteriori. Now, your position is: "Oh, don't play the tournament before a slam, but, if you play, make sure you lose early, but if you reach the final, then make sure you win easily".
Like way too many factors for a player to consider before entering a tournament.
We keep offering examples that the thing is random. Halep did not play since Toronto; she lost. Samsonova played the week before; she won. BHM won two tournaments before Wimbledon; she lost in the first round. Krejcikova won Strasbourg the week before RG, and then won again at RG. On and on, we offer examples, but then, no, it boils down to "I did not see the match".
C'mon, if you can't recover from a 6-4, 6-4 match that lasted 1.58, then your physical conditioning is not proper, which you can't say of Kasatkina.
And when one points out that Kasatkina is erratic, somebody says no, and another member points out she has had two tournament wins and three 1R loses, the reply is to point out at the players she lost, both of them ranked below her. Sort of the definition of erratic.
What is your explanation for Tsistipas? Played well at Cincy, took the week off, lost to a player ranked #94. Too tired? Too rested? What is it?
So no, I don't think it is that I did not watch the match. The numbers and reasoning are there.
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jazzyg JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 5:52 pm
jazzyg wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 5:50 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:21 pm
Kasatkina lost, which is a bigger upset to me than Halep
You do have some bizarre takes for someone who follows women's tennis closely.
That's not a supportable opinion on any basis.
OK
Says you
There are people out there who opine that Trump had the election stolen from him. They have zero facts but, hey, they have strong feelings.
Kasatkina, who never has made a slam final and has gotten past the third round of the U.S. Open once in her career, lost to Dart, who has won 11 tour-level matches this year alone and made the fourth round of Indian Wells.
Halep, who had recently won the Canadian Open for the third time, has more 1000-level tournament match wins than any player and was a not awful 18-8 at by far her worst slam since she became a top player, lost to an opponent who had never won a tour-level match and had tried to qualify at the previous seven majors, winning a total of two qualifying matches in those seven attempts. It was one of the biggest first-round upsets in the history of tennis.
As for the actual match, I watched every point but the first game. Snigur came out on fire with that club-player like whippy forehand but Halep regrouped like any legitimate top player should and won the second set 6-0 as Snigur's game unraveled. Halep should have won 6-1 in the third even after dumping serve to start the set, but she got very tight on her forehand side, which is periodic issue for her, and Snigur started playing better again. Still, there was no excuse to lose that match, and Halep still should have won after falling behind 5-1. She won three games to pull within 5-4 and went up 0-30 on Snigur's serve. At 15-30, Snigur hit a 50 mph serve in the middle of the box, and Halep went for a winner and missed long by an inch. You simply cannot miss there. Halep then came on an approach shot for the first time in the match--a sign of nerves--and got passed easily. She then missed a backhand into the net on match point.
If Snigur plays like she did in the first set, she can win a couple more matches, but those strokes look like they can break down easily, as they did in the second set. I will be pulling for her. There's nothing worse than watching your favorite player lose inexplicably and then have the player who beat her get clobbered in the next round.
by JTContinental Kasatkina won two hardcourt titles this summer, is 5 years younger than Halep, and doesn't rely so heavily on coaching to succeed. Halep hasn't made it to the second week of the USO since 2016. She is a step slow this year and I don't think will seriously challenge for major titles anymore, least of all here.
by jazzyg On the playing the week before the tournament debate and giving them an extra day of rest, I don't know of any slam that does not play half the draw on one day and the other half the next day. That's how they've always done it, and if finalists from the previous week's tournaments end up on opposite halves of the draw, there is no way to avoid a Monday start for some of them.
And if Kasatkina had been given an extra day to prepare, she then would have had to play today and tomorrow if she won. Maybe that would have been preferable to her, but I don't see why.
When Patrick Rafter won the U.S. Open in 1997 and 1998, he played a Sunday final the day before the tournament started both years. I don't recall whether he then had to play again on Monday, but even if his first match was Tuesday, he had the same quick turnaround as Kasatkina and any other finalist from last week.
by jazzyg It's as pointless arguing this obvious point as it arguing with Trumpists. They stick to their opinion no matter what.
Halep made it to the second week last year.
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ti-amie JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:39 pm
Kasatkina won two hardcourt titles this summer, is 5 years younger than Halep, and doesn't rely so heavily on coaching to succeed. Halep hasn't made it to the second week of the USO since 2016. She is a step slow this year and I don't think will seriously challenge for major titles anymore, least of all here.
I agree about Halep. Pouty, listless, whiny Simona is the Simona Cahill kept at bay. Without him she's free to show up any time she wants, like in Halep's match today.
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Deuce ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:58 pm
I remember Borg used to take 2 weeks totally off before and after a major.
... And he retired very suddenly at 26 years old.
So, according to your persistent and often repeated theory of there being a pattern to everything, and NO variables ever, anyone who takes 2 weeks off before and after a Major will have a successful career - but it will be very short, because that kind of scheduling is simply not sustainable past the age of 26.
Ashkor, you are throwing out your opinions as facts. That's fine in and of itself... but when you are asked - repeatedly - to support your opinion that winning a tournament before a Major automatically leads to losing early in the Major -, you hide behind "I'm not a coach, so my opinion doesn't matter".
If your opinion doesn't matter, why then do you express it? - and you even express it as fact!
