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Considering how well French tennis is doing, might be a recipe NOT to follow.
Maybe keeping you a bit "hungry" might be more encouraging.
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Maybe it's changed now but I remember the LTA takes the place of the wealthy French individuals in England. They pay/paid players stipends for necessities.
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ponchi101 wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 5:28 pm Considering how well French tennis is doing, might be a recipe NOT to follow.
Maybe keeping you a bit "hungry" might be more encouraging.
ti-amie wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 8:10 pm Maybe it's changed now but I remember the LTA takes the place of the wealthy French individuals in England. They pay/paid players stipends for necessities.
As I understood what was being said that it applied to 70% of the players in the draw of the singles events at Roland Garros, and not just to French players, though there was a reference to a French player - I assumed it was Mladenovic - who had a wealthy clothing deal that hasn't paid off.
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Ben Rothenberg reading Martina for filth. Her comeback is weak and she is quickly slipping on my list of respected elders.

"Nasty and dehumanizing" - Martina Navratilova's 'anti-trans crusade' and 'transphobic vitriol' condemned by journalist; legend hits back at criticism
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Some unresolved issue she has with Renee Richards?
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Martina has been the most vocal. But Chris is on her side too. And they are not alone.
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JTContinental wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 7:01 pm Ben Rothenberg reading Martina for filth. Her comeback is weak and she is quickly slipping on my list of respected elders.

"Nasty and dehumanizing" - Martina Navratilova's 'anti-trans crusade' and 'transphobic vitriol' condemned by journalist; legend hits back at criticism
I don't think that Ben Rothenberg understands what he is taking about. Martina is not taking part in an "anti-trans crusade". She is talking about the effect of X chromozones on muscle production. Changing your gender does not change your chromozones. Getting hormone replacement therapy does not change the amount of muscle mass accumulated before the hormone replacement therapy. In the same manner that men have an advantage over women in muscle mass accumulation, men who have changed their gender to female will still have a residual advange in muscle mass accumulation over genetic women. It is just biology. End of Rant.
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dave g wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:20 pm I don't think that Ben Rothenberg understands what he is taking about. Martina is not taking part in an "anti-trans crusade". She is talking about the effect of X chromozones on muscle production. Changing your gender does not change your chromozones. Getting hormone replacement therapy does not change the amount of muscle mass accumulated before the hormone replacement therapy. In the same manner that men have an advantage over women in muscle mass accumulation, men who have changed their gender to female will still have a residual advange in muscle mass accumulation over genetic women. It is just biology. End of Rant.
But it's not that simple, and the biology is not that simple. Muscle mass can be lost very easily - ask anyone whose spent any time in hospital - and taking estrogen hormones greatly reduces muscle mass in a similar way. If it's just a matter of chromosomes than what about people born XY that never undergo male puberty because of androgen insensitivity syndrome? People with that condition seem to have some advantages in athletic competition compared to people born XX who undergo female puberty. It's a complicated issue, and probably one that has to be dealt with on a sport by sport basis, but one of the issues is that there isn't enough high level athletes in most sports to even study what advantage may exist.
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skatingfan wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:57 pm
dave g wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:20 pm I don't think that Ben Rothenberg understands what he is taking about. Martina is not taking part in an "anti-trans crusade". She is talking about the effect of X chromozones on muscle production. Changing your gender does not change your chromozones. Getting hormone replacement therapy does not change the amount of muscle mass accumulated before the hormone replacement therapy. In the same manner that men have an advantage over women in muscle mass accumulation, men who have changed their gender to female will still have a residual advange in muscle mass accumulation over genetic women. It is just biology. End of Rant.
But it's not that simple, and the biology is not that simple. Muscle mass can be lost very easily - ask anyone whose spent any time in hospital - and taking estrogen hormones greatly reduces muscle mass in a similar way. If it's just a matter of chromosomes than what about people born XY that never undergo male puberty because of androgen insensitivity syndrome? People with that condition seem to have some advantages in athletic competition compared to people born XX who undergo female puberty. It's a complicated issue, and probably one that has to be dealt with on a sport by sport basis, but one of the issues is that there isn't enough high level athletes in most sports to even study what advantage may exist.
Good points. I agree that that unusual cases will occur, and that rules should allow for exceptions in such cases. However, writing rules that allow for exceptions is going to be difficult, and even more difficult in a public press-release format where neither side is actually listening to, or talking to the other side. It probably needs to be a private conversation between small groups of experts. Currently, we are not doing that very good at that in the US. :roll:
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dave g wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:20 pm
JTContinental wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 7:01 pm Ben Rothenberg reading Martina for filth. Her comeback is weak and she is quickly slipping on my list of respected elders.

"Nasty and dehumanizing" - Martina Navratilova's 'anti-trans crusade' and 'transphobic vitriol' condemned by journalist; legend hits back at criticism
I don't think that Ben Rothenberg understands what he is taking about. Martina is not taking part in an "anti-trans crusade". She is talking about the effect of X chromozones on muscle production. Changing your gender does not change your chromozones. Getting hormone replacement therapy does not change the amount of muscle mass accumulated before the hormone replacement therapy. In the same manner that men have an advantage over women in muscle mass accumulation, men who have changed their gender to female will still have a residual advange in muscle mass accumulation over genetic women. It is just biology. End of Rant.
This is the basis of why I think if you're caught doping, you shouldn't ever be allowed to compete again.
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Why would Muguruza agree to directing the WTA year-ending tournament in Saudi? Money?
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ashkor87 wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 2:17 pm Why would Muguruza agree to directing the WTA year-ending tournament in Saudi? Money?
C'mon, Ashkor. You are too much a person of the world to even ponder such a question.
Reputation?
Prestige?
Honorable cause?
What other thing could be lurking her into the role?
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ATP approves in-competition wearables to enhance player performance & recovery
The initiative ushers in a new era of innovative data-led performance analytics
June 27, 2024

By Press Release
The ATP has announced the approval of in-competition wearable devices for players across the ATP Tour and ATP Challenger Tour, starting from 15 July. The initiative ushers in a new era of innovative data-led performance analytics and injury prevention in tennis.

Wearable devices will generate cutting-edge insights for players from physical metrics such as heart rate and high-intensity load data, enhancing their analysis of matches and training sessions. ATP has approved both STATSports and Catapult devices and will centralise all data into ATP Tennis IQ – Wearables, an intuitive new dashboard for players.

The initiative introduces a new dimension to ATP Tennis IQ, an analytics platform launched in 2023 that democratises access to match data and insights for players, aiding preparation and recovery. It is the latest in a strategic push by ATP to enhance the sport through tech, data and innovation.

Ross Hutchins, ATP Chief Sporting Officer, said: "The introduction of wearables on Tour is a big step forward in our push to optimise player performance and prevent injury. Ultimately, empowering players to get the very best out of their careers. We’re delighted to make cutting-edge data insights more accessible than ever and look forward to continuing our innovation in this space.”

All data collected will remain confidential, ensuring privacy for players and their support teams. Phase Two of the initiative, which will incorporate next generation insights derived from wearable data and player feedback, is scheduled for later this year.

https://www.atptour.com/en/news/atp-app ... ables-2024
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ti-amie wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:57 pm ATP approves in-competition wearables to enhance player performance & recovery
The initiative ushers in a new era of innovative data-led performance analytics
June 27, 2024
So wearables aren't the same as edibles?
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