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[ti-amie]

This was supposed to be funny guys...

[ponchi101]

That very weak candidate won the popular vote by a few millions votes.
And Biden did not run for the nomination in 2016 because he did not want to. He made it clear he was not seeking the presidency during that election.
You have made it clear that you do not like either of the Clintons, and that is fine. But you analysis above may be skewed due to that dislike.

not true.. Biden himself has said Obama arm-twisted him not to run in 2016. I like Bill Clinton a lot, in fact. Not that I dislike Hilary, just that she has no political instincts at all, unlike Bill, who was a genius. The first time I saw Hilary speak, I said she has no chance at all of winning. Any half-way decent Democrat would have beaten Trump in 2016.

We are clearly reading very different sources.
He later said he regretted the decision but at the time, it was due to his family issues (I think due to his son's death).
And I am surprised that you say that you like the Clintons. You have called them war mongers here. So, I stand corrected.

[ponchi101]

If the GOP had nominated anybody remotely sane, and remotely reasonable, what would be the split?

Very similar.

Disagree. A reasonable GOP candidate gets a lot of the undecided votes. I say that person would have a solid 49%.

[mmmm8]

If the GOP had nominated anybody remotely sane, and remotely reasonable, what would be the split?

Very similar.

Disagree. A reasonable GOP candidate gets a lot of the undecided votes. I say that person would have a solid 49%.

So... a similar split? What am I missing?

[Owendonovan]

But when you have a choice between a candidate running for president and another running for dictator, do we really just carry on as usual?

Isn't that the way that the Dems like to play? Their Uber naive believe that the American system will always prevail? That justice will prevail? That the good guys will win?
The Dems have had 4 years to put this man behind bars. But no, you need to build such a strong case that it takes you 5 years to find the smoking gun, even though you are in a firing range. I want to see how long will Jack Smith be employed after Jan 20th (or whenever the inauguration takes place).
And then you had one woman that led Tiny in the polls by 7 points, but no, we are going with the one that is, at best, tied with him.
Dems are really good at governing. But they suck at Realpolitik's.

Serious here, not putting you on. What do you think should be done?

A fair and honest Supreme Court would be a good start. What I think should be done is not legal in most countries. As a target of the GOP my entire life, I don't care much if anything bad happens to any of them. Subscribing to their policies makes you a bad person as their policies are inherently bad, demeaning, or outright discriminatory. I don't see things going tiny's way if he's elected. Too many folks are once bitten twice shy.

[Suliso]

If the GOP had nominated anybody remotely sane, and remotely reasonable, what would be the split?

Very similar.

Disagree. A reasonable GOP candidate gets a lot of the undecided votes. I say that person would have a solid 49%.

A reasonable candidate for us also loses lots of MAGA hard cores types. Maybe an extra 1-2 percentage points.

I'm still not convinced Harris is a particularly strong candidate. This nomination (and also VP position) was given to her on a silver platter.

[ponchi101]

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So... a similar split? What am I missing?

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A reasonable candidate for us also loses lots of MAGA hard cores types. Maybe an extra 1-2 percentage points.

I'm still not convinced Harris is a particularly strong candidate. This nomination (and also VP position) was given to her on a silver platter.

You are not missing anything, M8. I am not saying that a reasonable GOP candidate is going to go 55% of the vote. That is not going to happen. As Suliso says, an extra 1-2% points, which are the differences today between both parties.
But I don't agre that a reasonable GOP candidate losses the MAG hard cores; who are they going to vote for? Certainly not any democrat. They would not be as rabidly fanatic of that candidate, but would still prefer him (it would have to be a him) over anything the dems could come up with.
And, about Kamala. Remember I said the dems had to go to a real convention. As you say, this was given on a platter to her. But come election day, there will be many people in that voting booth, ready to press than button and in the last moment, they won't be able to vote for her.
For the reasons we know.

[patrick]

Geoff #HarrisWalz2024
@GeoffBrown82
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Just happened at Madison Square Garden:

Played a small portion of Dixie for the music. These were the lyrics played: I wish I was in the land of cotton, Old times there are not forgotten; Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land!

Then they invite Byron Donalds to the stage

Dixie as sung by Elvis Presley. Not sure who the rapper is who was used as a chaser.

The rap used is the entrance music for WWE wrestler John Cena.

Is Donalds the same person that said slavery was good a few months ago after DeSantis was trying to give us a history lesson?

[Suliso]

I think quite a few MAGA folks would not vote at all if no Trump around.

[ti-amie]

Geoff #HarrisWalz2024
@GeoffBrown82
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1h
Just happened at Madison Square Garden:

Played a small portion of Dixie for the music. These were the lyrics played: I wish I was in the land of cotton, Old times there are not forgotten; Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land!

Then they invite Byron Donalds to the stage

Dixie as sung by Elvis Presley. Not sure who the rapper is who was used as a chaser.

The rap used is the entrance music for WWE wrestler John Cena.

Is Donalds the same person that said slavery was good a few months ago after DeSantis was trying to give us a history lesson?

I think both him and that idjut Nude Africa guy in North Carolina said that.

[ti-amie]

Ballot box arson in Vancouver, Washington state

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[ti-amie]

George Carlin was talking about Andrew Dice Clay but as usual his comments resonate today.

[ti-amie]

[ti-amie]

*Walter Bloomberg
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