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nelslus wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 7:05 pm
ponchi101 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:15 pm I side with Novak.
(That makes me feel odd).
The interview thing has gotten out of hand, and the interviews are always so boring. Interviewed on the way to the court, after the match, then the press conference. Pretty soon, they will be interviewed between sets.
And people must have the right not to talk to somebody. The press conference should be enough.
I can definitely see your points. I have never been any kind of fan, with most if not all sports, of fining players for missing interviews, or, in the case of basketball, fining folks if they wear something you do not like during a press conference....if I am remembering this correctly...., etc., etc. Let adults be adults and all that.

HOWEVER.....

You know the rules. Novak is accepting any fine, cool. But, why does Novak, OVER and OVER again, imo, come off so tone deaf.....This alleged journalist called you on air overrated and a has-been. COME on, these are moronic comments, clearly. You cannot just laugh this off, and snark worse at this idiot from the media.....OBVOIUSLY, you are not overrated. COME on. AND you claim you have nothing but respect for Craig Tiley and Jim Courier and the tournament....but then, you manage to insult them and the crowd at your match. Craig Tiley and the tournament should not be put in the position of Making That Big Bad Meanie apologize in public to you. We all are allowed to express opinions. Sure, you never want to talk to this person again....cool. BUT, you Big Baby, You ARE THE GOAT!!!!! We all get it!!!!! Relax!!!!

AND, in the constant vein of Novak and his tone-deafness....in this article I found, it states that Novak managed to basically co-sign messages that the evil, hideous Elon Musk co-signed about Novak and his life-shattering insult directed his way....WELL, Novak, yet again, you lost me!!!!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 25b4&ei=19
I agree. The comments were in bad taste and absurd, and the fact that Novak is still willing to put himself out there at the age he's at and given all he's accomplished makes him even greater. Federer and Rafa would never have been treated this way.

But it does seem like the obvious way to handle it is to dismiss it completely. This thin-skinned defensiveness he's always had has never been a good look for him. It seems beneath him and to give this guy too much weight to react this way.

I do find it interesting how he's framing his latest grievance into defending the Serbian fans, especially after how he made such a thing about how important the Olympic medal was and recent comments about Kosovo. I have no doubt his patriotism is real, but I don't remember him making such a big deal of it earlier in his career. I remember someone else saying this on these boards too before, but it does seem like he might be setting the stage for some sort of second-act in politics after his tennis career is over.
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Jannik Sinner ‘deliberate’ doping theory floated by leading scientist in shock claim
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17 Jan 2025 11:25 AM

Jannik Sinner is continuing his defence of the Australian Open title despite a huge cloud hovering over him following his two failed drug tests last March.

Sinner was initially cleared by the International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA) of wrongdoing after an anabolic steroid was found in his system, but the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) appeal has prolonged his agony and there is a widespread expectation that he could now serve a ban.

The ITIA cleared Sinner of blame as they accepted his explanation that the banned substance entered his body as a result of a massage from his physio, who had used a spray containing the steroid to treat a cut on their finger with the Court of Arbitration for Sport set to hear the WADA appeal against the decision not to ban Sinner on April 16 and 17.

The world No 1 will be hoping to convince the CAS tribunal that he did everything he could to avoid the positive doping result, yet renowned sports scientist Dr Ross Tucker has raised the prospect that he ‘could have been using clostebol deliberately’, as he gave his views on the story to the Indo Sport podcast.

Citing a medical study that highlighted how clostebol could enter an athlete’s system via a massage, Dr Tucker suggested that could have opened the door for an athlete to cheat.

“There is a chance that Sinner was using clostebol deliberately, knowing it is in the cream and knowing that if he is ever caught, he has got a ready-made defence from contamination because there has been a study that clears me,” said Tucker.

“So it is possible that it is just a really clever way of doping, but you can’t prove that. So therefore you have to say the player is clear. Maybe CAS will explore some things that the initial decision didn’t.”

The story Sinner offered up to explain how the clostebol got into his system was considered to be unbelievable by many observers, but Dr Tucker confirmed the position offered up by the world No 1 was credible.

“He produced a paper in his defence that was set up to look at this from an Italian university,” he continued. “This study explored different ways you could be contaminated.

“So, for instance, participant A uses the clostebol cream and shakes hands with half a dozen people. So that is a very short contact.

“They tested those people over the next 48 hours to see if they could detect it and they could. So it stacked up. It is possible to transfer clostebol in massage cream from one person to another. So he is able to make the case for the source of the positive test.”

Despite that explanation, Dr Tucker added this significant observation, as he suggested Sinner may struggle to prove he took every precaution to avoid a positive test.

“Clostebol has a history from Eastern Germany and it was very clearly used for deliberate doping,” he added.

“Then it falls off the map and it re-emerges in Italy, where there is a spait of these contamination arguments. Only in Italy, which was interesting. The point is, clostebol raises eyebrows.

“WADA have said they accept Sinner’s explanation for the contamination, but they are arguing there should be some degree of fault. WADA will argue the athlete should be more responsible than the first decision.”

Tennis365 spoke to ITIA CEO Karen Moorhouse about the Sinner case, as she suggested the Italian will face a minimum one-year suspension from tennis if the WADA appeal goes against him, as she compared his case to those of former world No 1’s Iga Swiatek and Simona Halep after they failed doping tests.

“If you test positive for a banned substance, your starting point for a possible sanction is four years,” Moorhouse told Tennis365 in an exclusive interview.

“If you can demonstrate that it was not intentional, that reduces to two years. Then, if you can prove there was no fault, there is no sanction.

“In addition, a decision of ‘no significant fault or negligence’ could fall between a reprimand and two years. That applies to any cases around a contaminated substance.

“It’s the same rules and the same processes for every player. All cases are different and each case turns on individual facts.

“Cases can also be quite complex, so it isn’t right to look at two headlines and draw comparisons as the detail is always the key part.

“Let’s take Swiatek and Halep. The CAS tribunal found that her (Halep’s) supplement was contaminated. So just in relation to that finding, they said nine months (suspension).

“In relation to Swiatek, the contaminated product was a medication. So it was not unreasonable for a player to assume that a regulated medication would contain what it says on the ingredients.

“Therefore, the level of fault she could accept was at the lowest level as there was very little more she could have done reasonably to mitigate the risk of that product being contaminated.

“Halep’s contamination was not a medication. It was a collagen supplement and her level of fault was found to be higher.

“The complication with the Sinner case is the positive test was not a result of a contaminated product. That is the difference between Swiatek and Halep. There is no contamination here.

“The product that the masseuse used on his finger was not contaminated. That is exactly what it said the product contained on the packaging.

“And so because it is not a contaminated product, the range for a sanction is one year to two years.”

Moorhouse’s comments banish the notion that Sinner could be handed a brief ban like Swiatek if WADA successfully proves this case should fall into the bracket of ‘no significant fault or negligence’.

The date of WADA’s appeal against Sinner’s punishment following his failed drug tests has yet to be set, but it will not be in the first set of CAS appeals in 2025 that are set to take place in February.

If Sinner receives a one-year suspension, it would rule him out of four Grand Slam tournaments and see his world No 1 status evaporate as he would be forced to return to the game with zero ranking points.

https://www.tennis365.com/tennis-featur ... ion-length
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That's quite a theory
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The NBA's marketing strategy should be taught in business schools if it's not already.
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The article is behind a very strong paywall. It should also be mentioned that RBA also played at the event but the focus is on Kokkinakis because the newspaper is Australian.
Someone graciously posted the article.



https://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/tha ... 5l63n.html
Australian tennis star Thanasi Kokkinakis defied advice from Tennis Australia not to compete in a lucrative exhibition tournament in Russia backed by a state-owned energy company blacklisted by the federal government following Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

Few athletes from Western nations have ventured to Russia since the war began nearly three years ago, with the pariah state all but cast out of the international sporting arena.

The appearance of the Australian in the unofficial competition last month has drawn condemnation from Ukraine’s ambassador to Australia, Vasyl Myroshnychenko.

The injury-plagued 28-year-old featured in the three-day mixed teams event in St Petersburg despite Tennis Australia urging players not to play in Russia.

The showcase, staged from November 29 to December 1, included current and former Russian players as well as seven foreigners, among them Spain’s Pedro Martinez and Roberto Bautista Agut, Yulia Putintseva of Kazakhstan and Kokkinakis, world No.71.

The event’s major sponsor was state-owned Russian gas and oil giant Gazprom, which has been the subject of financial sanctions imposed by Australia’s Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade since April 2022, just weeks after Russian President Putin embarked on war in Ukraine, as well as being targeted by the United States Department of Treasury.

Gazprom reportedly established its own private militia last year and is behind Putin’s newly announced plans to build a gas pipeline to Iran.

Alexander Ivanovich Medvedev, a former vice-chairman of Gazprom and an adviser to the head of its export division, was tournament director.
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ti-amie wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:59 am ...

The NBA's marketing strategy should be taught in business schools if it's not already.
This is not a sport for everyone.
How long it took me to be able to hit a pickleball? 0 seconds. It came immediately after grabbing the paddle.
I wonder how long it would take a pickleball player to hit a FH.
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Shots fired by Uncle Toni here:

“Firstly, I understand that the public showed their disappointment and anger at being deprived of the spectacle they had been expecting after having paid for it.

“The second and perhaps most significant reason is that over the years, there has been a growing suspicion around Novak, due to his expressions or histrionics, casting doubt on the authenticity of his injuries.”

https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/au ... aa40a39685

The actual quote was given by Toni to El Pais and is embedded in the full story at the link.
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Aryna Sabalenka is a tennis superstar. Her endorsements and brand deals don’t yet match up
Charlie Eccleshare
Jan 27, 2025

MELBOURNE, Australia — Aryna Sabalenka had fallen just short of winning a third straight Australian Open title, but it hadn’t affected her standing with the adoring Melbourne crowd.

When the two-time champion took the on-court microphone after losing Saturday’s final to Madison Keys, she was greeted with rapturous applause. Fans laughed along as Sabalenka eschewed the tradition of thanking her team, instead joking about her three-set defeat being their fault. It was a typically entertaining speech, delivered immediately after Sabalenka had smashed her racket in frustration before briefly leaving Rod Laver Arena to compose herself.

Sabalenka, 26, has three Grand Slam titles. At the last two majors, she won the U.S. Open and then finished as the losing finalist at Melbourne Park, winning 13 out of 14 matches in the process. She has an engaging, funny personality and a big social media presence, playing an eye-catching brand of ultra-attacking tennis. She is the world No. 1.

These are all the metrics that brands and sponsors look for in a sportsperson, but before the Australian Open, Sabalenka split with sports marketing behemoth IMG to join Evolve — a smaller agency co-founded by four-time Grand Slam champion Naomi Osaka — after running down her deal because of dissatisfaction with her representation.

“I was looking to build my brand, wanted a little bit more than IMG was doing for me. I wasn’t happy with the service,” she said in a news conference at the Australian Open last week.
“There was tension between me and some of the people out there.”

Max Eisenbud, IMG’s head of tennis clients, said in a statement to The Athletic: “We mutually parted ways with Sabalenka after a successful four-year partnership and are proud of what we accomplished together.

“She is an amazing champion on-court and we wish her the best as she continues her career.”

Two sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect relationships within tennis, briefed on Sabalenka’s departure from IMG said Sabalenka grew frustrated with the disconnect between her standing in the sporting world and how potential deals were limited because of her nationality. Belarus is an ally in Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and brands have either pulled out of or scaled back deals attached to Russian and Belarusian athletes since the start of the invasion in February 2022.

Just before joining Evolve, Sabalenka filmed her first solo Nike commercial, adding to deals with Wilson, tech wearable Whoop, tequila brand Dobel, luxury watchmaker Audemars Piguet and Oakberry, the acai franchise run by her partner, Georgios Frangulis — but she still lags behind her contemporaries in the women’s and men’s games.

According to Forbes, Sabalenka took home $9million (£7.2m) from endorsements in 2024. Sabalenka’s biggest rival on court, the world No. 2 Iga Swiatek, picked up $15m in the same period. World No. 3 Coco Gauff brought in $25m, while the men’s world No. 3 Carlos Alcaraz made $32m. Daniil Medvedev, who is Russian and ranked No. 7 on the men’s tour, made $13m, helped by an infectious personality and a big interest in gaming that has landed him deals with EA Sports and Ubisoft.

“An athlete’s nationality makes a huge difference,” said Tim Crow, the former head of international sports marketing agency Synergy, in a phone interview last week.

“Let’s say you’re looking to sign up an American player. In that instance, you’re tapping into the giant American economy — half all the dollars spent on sport in the world by businesses comes out of the American economy,” Crow said.

“All things being equal, I don’t think Sabalenka has got anything like the backing that she should have given her performances, especially in the last couple of years.”

Tennis is a sports marketing moneymaker because of its status as one of the biggest truly global individual sports. Fans attach themselves not just to tennis players and their fortunes at tournaments, but to their kits, rackets and personalities off the court. The four majors are the most important shop windows and Grand Slam success is the most direct and lucrative route to sponsorships and endorsements, but the biggest stars in the sport — and the most marketable players — transcend tennis. Gauff created a clothing line for American Eagle; Alcaraz and Jannik Sinner model for Louis Vuitton and Gucci; Osaka lit the Olympic flame at the 2021 Tokyo Games.

“To stand out beyond the tennis world where the real money is, you have to become a global face and persona,” said sports marketing consultant Nigel Currie in a phone interview last week.

In the endorsement world, a player’s nationality is their market. Seven spots lower in the rankings and with zero Grand Slam titles to Sabalenka’s three, Zheng Qinwen cannot match her on-court stardom. But in China, Zheng is already an icon — only more so after winning Olympic gold in Paris in 2024 — and she recently signed a deal to become one of the faces of Christian Dior. Emma Raducanu signed a similar deal with Dior a month after winning the U.S. Open as a qualifier in 2021.

When Kei Nishikori became the first Asian man to reach a Grand Slam final in 2014, he created a slew of endorsements that, half a decade later, were bringing in $31m every year. They included a Kei Jaguar car, Nissin Nishikori noodles and an alcohol-free beer from Asahi. Osaka’s Japanese heritage and place at the intersection of sport and pop culture in America has monumental appeal for sponsors.

A timely illustration of Sabalenka’s position in this dynamic came the day after her defeat to Keys, when Belarus’ long-time leader Alexander Lukashenko was elected for the seventh consecutive time in polls that exiled opponents have described as rigged. A few months after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022, Wimbledon banned Russian and Belarusian players from competing, further reducing their exposure. At the French Open the following year, reporters frequently asked Sabalenka about her stance on the war and her connections with Lukashenko. There are numerous pictures of the two together and Sabalenka skipped two post-match news conferences during the Paris tournament, declaring that she “did not feel safe” during one of her conferences.

When Sabalenka returned to her media duties a few days later, she was asked directly if she supported Lukashenko. “It’s a tough question. I mean, I don’t support war, meaning I don’t support Lukashenko right now,” she said.

In between those two tournaments, Sabalenka won her first major at the 2023 Australian Open, ticking the top box brands look for. She has only grown in stature since, but her renown outside tennis has yet to catch up to her position at the top of the women’s game. Stuart Duguid, Osaka’s co-founder at Evolve, described Sabalenka as “one of the most marketable athletes in the world today,” adding that her commercial portfolio is “largely untapped” in a statement upon her signing. Osaka and Duguid both left IMG to set up the agency.

Like Gauff and Osaka, Sabalenka’s cultural presence is amplified by her use of social media. With its restrictive media rights, fragmented programming and low exposure for WTA tournaments versus their ATP counterparts, tennis’ limited discoverability means that being a Coco Gauff, Naomi Osaka or Aryna Sabalenka fan is much easier than being a tennis fan who likes those players. Sabalenka’s use of TikTok, in which she takes part in dance trends with her rivals and her team, has helped to raise her profile off the court.

The social media element is “hugely important,” says Crow. “To modern-day sponsors, particularly newer brands, the amount of social media traction you have, the number of followers you have, all that kind of thing is massively important because it’s where they’re putting most of their marketing dollars.”

Part of the reason for social media’s importance is consistency. One of the things that makes tennis global is its worldwide schedule, which can often see the best players spread across different tournaments, in different countries or even continents, from week to week. The four majors — and ATP and WTA 1,000 tournaments, one rung below a major — are where it all comes together.

They are the places where the rivalries that go above and beyond tennis are made, and the lack of them on the women’s tour in recent times is another factor in Sabalenka’s relative difficulty with securing big endorsements. Sinner has Alcaraz. Federer, Nadal and Djokovic had each other. Sabalenka most obviously has Swiatek, with the duo embroiled in a battle for world No. 1. They have dominated the WTA Tour for the past three years, but they have met just once at a Grand Slam and never in a major final.

They came as close as they ever have Thursday, with Swiatek holding a match point against Keys before eventually losing out in a thrilling match tiebreak.

“In individual sports, classic rivalries are like gold dust,” Currie said.
“Great rivalries tend to attract a wider audience as it’s an entry point for those who are perhaps interested but not passionate about a particular sport. It gives them knowledge about a sport that otherwise they wouldn’t have.”

A former WTA executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect relationships in tennis, said: “Women’s tennis hasn’t had a Grand Slam rivalry really since Steffi Graf and Monica Seles more than 30 years ago and hasn’t had a proper on-court rivalry since Serena Williams vs Justine Henin.”
Williams and Henin faced each other in three of the four majors in 2007 and contested an Australian Open final in 2010 (which Williams won in three sets).

“That’s a long time between drinks,” the executive added. “The lack of rivalries is affecting the visibility of the sport.”

The presence of Swiatek, along with Gauff, Elena Rybakina (if she can return to her form of early 2024) and players with the ability to run hot at a major (such as Keys), are further blockers to Sabalenka’s other route to transcendence: dominating the sport outright. A single player winning everything in their path is just as powerful a way into a sport as a compelling rivalry.

One major can make a difference: Wimbledon. Having missed out in 2022 (banned) and 2024 (shoulder injury), Sabalenka’s best result at the All England Club is a semifinal appearance in 2023.

“It’s a matter of time before she breaks through at Wimbledon and if she wins a few more majors, people will say she’s the standout player. That’s what needs to happen,” Currie said.

If Sabalenka continues to pick up Grand Slam titles, her marketing potential will grow. The response of the Melbourne crowd in defeat shows that she is on the way to achieving the status of her contemporaries. To return to her joking assessment of that loss, whether the endorsements and sponsorships will grow with that status appears to be a question for her team.


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Is there anybody that can really be called a tennis superstar nowadays?
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ponchi101 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 3:49 am Is there anybody that can really be called a tennis superstar nowadays?
I tend to agree. They're trying hard to make Sinner and Carlitos international sports superstars but I don't know if that will succeed.

I'm sorry to say that neither Sabalenka nor Iga have that certain "je ne sais quoi" that makes someone a global brand ambassador.
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Coco can be a superstar in the USA; for her to reach super star outside, she needs a few more slams.
Iga has the personality of a week old baguette. Don't see her as a superstar.
Love Elena, but she is not even a star. Too quiet, and the results are not there.
Both Emma's lack the results, although Raducanu could be if she were to return to competing for majors (which she did only once).
Aryna is not a superstar. Sorry.
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Aryna has a wrong background...
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Coco is a superstar..Osaka could be too, if she completes her return..Alcaraz certainly is - Sinner isn't, sadly...
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