WTA 500 Ningbo 10/13 - 10/19 2025

[ti-amie]

Saturday Order of Play

Center Court
Starts at 1:00 AM

Semifinals
TPE Hsieh /CZE Siniakova (1) vs USA Melichar-Martinez /RUS Samsonova
Starts: 13:00 (Venue) 01:00 (Your time)
Semifinals
Upcoming
KAZ E. Rybakina (3) vs ITA J. Paolini (2)
Not before: 15:00 (Venue) 03:00 (Your time)
Semifinals
Upcoming
RUS D. Shnaider (7) vs RUS E. Alexandrova (4)
Not before: 17:30 (Venue) 05:30 (Your time)
Semifinals
Upcoming
HUN Babos /BRA Stefani (4) vs NOR Eikeri /CHN Tang
Follows previous match

[ashkor87]

very juicy matchups in the semis.. I would expect Alexandrova to win this event - or Paolini, or Rybakina, or Shnaider..(!).. he he

[ashkor87]

seriously, though, this court being quite fast, I do expect Alexandrova to win. we shall see.

[mick1303]

There is a reason why Alexandova, while being 4.5 years older than Rybakina, never enjoyed comparable success. Her best slam result is R16 (on 4 occasions), while Rybakina reached this stage 22 times - and on 12 occasions went further. These results just can't give you another conclusion than these players being in the different class entirely.

[mick1303]

Overall career win-loss percentage is 57% vs 70%. Clearly a separation here. IMO this puts Alexandrova not just to the lower tier, I would say there is a whole tier of players in-between them.

[meganfernandez]

seriously, though, this court being quite fast, I do expect Alexandrova to win. we shall see.

I want to know your Alexandrova-prediction winning percentage.

[meganfernandez]

We know it wasn't. But as I do not know what kind of relationship they are in, because I am not privy to such private information, I used that euphemism.
My point stands. Judging a grown up woman on her choice of partner is a double standard. Because when Grigor was dating that porn star nobody came to "his rescue". We assumed (rightly) that he was a grown man, capable of making his own decisions.
You either really believe in a woman's rights to run her own life, even if that means self destruction, or you don't. I choose to do so.

I tend to agree with this in general, that there is a double standard with emotional abuse. Physical abuse is a different story since most men can overpower most women, but it's certainly possible for a woman to physically abuse a man, too.

We don't give women the same agency as we do men.

This situation is so complicated and messy. I've been in an emotionally abusive relationship, and I appreciated the support of family and friends, but I didn't need to be rescued and I'm glad they didn't overstep. It was important for me to work through it myself with proper support. Perhaps some people need more intervention, but I think only people close to the person can know that.

[ponchi101]

Thanks. And my point remains the same.
Elena has said she was not abused. And my point is one of respect. If she says so, and I AM NOT PRIVY TO WHAT HAPPENS IN HER LIFE, I really should take her word.
If I am one of her inner circle and I have seen Stefanos beat her physically or emotionally, then I have a saying. I can declare what I see. But, until then, I believe it is disrespectful to judge her for her choice of coach, business partner or boyfriend, whatever they are.

And, BTW. I believe it is a messy situation. They seem like an odd couple and, in some cases, he has been less than supportive on court. But from there to declaring her a "victim" and him a "criminal" is one step too far for me.

[ashkor87]

Overall career win-loss percentage is 57% vs 70%. Clearly a separation here. IMO this puts Alexandrova not just to the lower tier, I would say there is a whole tier of players in-between them.

well, of course, Rybakina has accomplished a lot more than Alexandrova, I am not questioning that. I had identified Rybakina as a future champion much before most people - she is a very high class player.. Tier 1. Alexandrova is Tier 2.
I did notice, though, that Alexandrova reversed the result from her previous match against Shnaider - in my opinion (I dont expect anyone here to agree) because that court, Monterrey, was very slow, this one isn't.

[JTContinental]

Thanks. And my point remains the same.
Elena has said she was not abused. And my point is one of respect. If she says so, and I AM NOT PRIVY TO WHAT HAPPENS IN HER LIFE, I really should take her word.
If I am one of her inner circle and I have seen Stefanos beat her physically or emotionally, then I have a saying. I can declare what I see. But, until then, I believe it is disrespectful to judge her for her choice of coach, business partner or boyfriend, whatever they are.

And, BTW. I believe it is a messy situation. They seem like an odd couple and, in some cases, he has been less than supportive on court. But from there to declaring her a "victim" and him a "criminal" is one step too far for me.

Shaui Peng has also said she wasn’t abused, and in general, I don’t think we take her at her word.

Like you said, we don’t have inside info, but a classic abuse pattern is to break free from the situation, but then to eventually go back to it and double down on “it isn’t happening.” We also have video confirmation of him verbally abusing her on court, and the observations of the other women on the your, most who think he is not a very nice guy.

[JTContinental]

Unrelated, Rybakina’s win over Paolini keeps them and Andreeva all in the mix for the final two slots, although Andreeva would need a wild card in next week’s tournament to earn some more points.

Alexandrova’s win guarantees she will be the 2nd alternate

[mick1303]

Thanks. And my point remains the same.
Elena has said she was not abused. And my point is one of respect. If she says so, and I AM NOT PRIVY TO WHAT HAPPENS IN HER LIFE, I really should take her word.
If I am one of her inner circle and I have seen Stefanos beat her physically or emotionally, then I have a saying. I can declare what I see. But, until then, I believe it is disrespectful to judge her for her choice of coach, business partner or boyfriend, whatever they are.

And, BTW. I believe it is a messy situation. They seem like an odd couple and, in some cases, he has been less than supportive on court. But from there to declaring her a "victim" and him a "criminal" is one step too far for me.

Shaui Peng has also said she wasn’t abused, and in general, I don’t think we take her at her word.

Like you said, we don’t have inside info, but a classic abuse pattern is to break free from the situation, but then to eventually go back to it and double down on “it isn’t happening.” We also have video confirmation of him verbally abusing her on court, and the observations of the other women on the your, most who think he is not a very nice guy.

I don't think these situations are comparable. Shuai Peng was (and probably still is) basically "in custody". Whatever she said on camera shall be looked upon through this prism. Rybakina on the other hand was always free to speak her mind. Which she did and in no uncertain terms.

[mick1303]

To me it looks like facts are adjusted to fit a scenario. And other facts, that do not adhere just ignored. For instance, I remember that a while ago (before this abuse story broke) there was a video of Rybakina on the changeover, who said towards her box "just stop talking". Does it sound like abuse victim? To me it sounds like a conversation between people, who are in the relationship and in the stressful situation may lash out on each other. But once the stress is over, they are a team again.

[JTContinental]

To me it looks like facts are adjusted to fit a scenario. And other facts, that do not adhere just ignored. For instance, I remember that a while ago (before this abuse story broke) there was a video of Rybakina on the changeover, who said towards her box "just stop talking". Does it sound like abuse victim? To me it sounds like a conversation between people, who are in the relationship and in the stressful situation may lash out on each other. But once the stress is over, they are a team again.

Ok, this statement is full of logical fallacies to me, but not going to try to change your mind.

The flippancy here about this particular topic is a bit disconcerting to me, but I’ll not talk about this again on this forum.

[ponchi101]

To me it looks like facts are adjusted to fit a scenario. And other facts, that do not adhere just ignored. For instance, I remember that a while ago (before this abuse story broke) there was a video of Rybakina on the changeover, who said towards her box "just stop talking". Does it sound like abuse victim? To me it sounds like a conversation between people, who are in the relationship and in the stressful situation may lash out on each other. But once the stress is over, they are a team again.

Ok, this statement is full of logical fallacies to me, but not going to try to change your mind.

The flippancy here about this particular topic is a bit disconcerting to me, but I’ll not talk about this again on this forum.

Why?
Because I can assure you that your opinion will be respected, at least by me. And one thing that this forum does not need is self censoring.
You and I may disagree on this subject. But I will never NOT read your opinion. Because through all these years, your thoughts have always proven worthy.