The Goat Debate

[Drop-shot]

IF Nole catches up with Roger/Rafa, stats will definitly incline the scales in his favor.

[ponchi101]

Numbers updated.
Where does Novak end? 23 slams? Right now, that seems conservative.

[dmforever]

Two people voted for "other". Who is this other? Sampras?

Kevin

[ponchi101]

Two people voted for "other". Who is this other? Sampras?

Kevin

One of them chose Serena as the GOAT. I can't recall who the other vote was for.
It is further up the topic.

[dmforever]

Two people voted for "other". Who is this other? Sampras?

Kevin

One of them chose Serena as the GOAT. I can't recall who the other vote was for.
It is further up the topic.

Oh. I thought there were separate GOATS for men and women. In that case it makes sense. Maybe someone else took Court. Thanks for the clarification.

Kevin

[ponchi101]

Although I started this just to keep track of the Big Three's accomplishments, a member expressed his opinion about Serena.
Which was indeed open as I did not say MEN'S GOAT.
Everybody here has a voice

[dmforever]

Although I started this just to keep track of the Big Three's accomplishments, a member expressed his opinion about Serena.
Which was indeed open as I did not say MEN'S GOAT.
Everybody here has a voice

I guess there is a women's GOAT, a men's GOAT, and then a GOAT GOAT!

KEVIN

[ti-amie]

[ti-amie]

[Jeff from TX]

While I do think that Nadal is the clay GOAT and I love Federer, Djokovic will be the GOAT. COVID messed with the numbers somewhat, but there is no question in my mind, barring injury, that Djokovic with finish with at least 23/24 GS. His stats on every surface is impressive. Fed's time to add another GS has closed - if Nadal had not come along, I think he would have had at least 4 -5 French Titles, so I can see an argument in his favor. Also, some of his losses to Novak in Grand Slams were truly razor thin, so there is that. And while I am not a particular Nadal fan, no one can question the intensity he brings to every match that he plays.

[mick1303]

I'm wondering if blog entries from original TAT are available in any form. I had a piece on weighted ranking - it is directly related to G.O.A.T discussion ). In any case - I will do new calculations once 2021 will end.

[mick1303]

When someone mixes ATP records with those of WTA I feel sick ((( These results were achieved under very different conditions. Ladies play best of 3 in the slams - it is no different from any WTA tournament, except they have a day of rest. For ladies slams are EASIER from physical standpoint than regular tour. Not to mention that WTA as a league has embedded limitation (only women). ATP does not have this limitation. If we count WTA records, we might as well count juniors, seniors and wheelchair tennis - all these competitions have this thing in common with WTA - LIMITED REPRESENTATION.

[ponchi101]

I'm wondering if blog entries from original TAT are available in any form. I had a piece on weighted ranking - it is directly related to G.O.A.T discussion ). In any case - I will do new calculations once 2021 will end.

No. What was in TAT1.0 is basically gone from here, although it might be found in some sort of web-archive. If you did not keep a copy of your writing, it is pretty much lost.
I don't understand your point about limited representation. The WTA is indeed only women. But the ATP is only men. I don't see the difference.

[mick1303]

I don't understand your point about limited representation. The WTA is indeed only women. But the ATP is only men. I don't see the difference.

ATP does not have rules, preventing women (or transgender players) from entering the tour.
In the ATP rulebook in 1.11.1 it says "any individual", not "any male".

[Woody]

I don't understand your point about limited representation. The WTA is indeed only women. But the ATP is only men. I don't see the difference.

ATP does not have rules, preventing women (or transgender players) from entering the tour.
In the ATP rulebook in 1.11.1 it says "any individual", not "any male".

You skipped over 1.01: "In official men’s professional tennis..."