Both his parents were professional tennis players and his father was Soviet No. 1 and coached him and Mischa for some time.
I'm guessing no one is lining up to deal with the business side of things.
Both his parents were professional tennis players and his father was Soviet No. 1 and coached him and Mischa for some time.
Do you have a link @meganfernandez? I can't read the images you posted.meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:05 pm Mailbag.pngI thought long and hard about sending this comment to Jon this week. I didn't think he'd run it. I wanted to unpack a lot more to explain why it bothers me. I'm all for giving Mike Tyson a second chance, but my immediate reaction to seeing him a lot has definite value, too - because it's easy to talk yourself into thinking it's no big deal. But to me, it is. Not so much his mere presence as seeing the biggest people in the sport loving him, laughing with him, admiring him... it gives the impression that they simply don't care what women would think about that and they really don't take domestic abuse very seriously. And I have a feeling that's actually true. Why do we treat rapists more generously than racists, and abusers more generously than molesters? (I'd say this goes for homophobia, too - I imagine this is how gay people feel when they see people apparently accepting Tennys Sandgren's transgressions. I'd be embarrassed if my gay friends saw me go to one of his matches. I don't think either he or Mike Tyson are awful people. There's more to them than their sins. They might genuinely have changed. But when you see them exalted in your sport, it stings.)
The quote thing - it was just jarring to see Mouratoglou having this conversation with him. I get it, it had nothing to do with Tyson's past as an abuser, and it's actually a good point about pressure. In the moment, of course you stay in the interview and respect your guest. I wish he had thought twice about posting it, unless it was purely live. I'm willing to bet it didn't even cross his mind.
(BTW - thinking about it, I'm sure I don't have a clear view of how racists are actually treated. Maybe there are plenty of racists who are exalted in tennis the same way. So I'm sorry if I have misjudged that.)
It depends on the airline. My friends flew NY to Bogota on Avianca a couple months ago and the airline required a negative test in the last 24 hours (they had one from less than 72 hours before and it wasn't accepted). (I'm talking about the Antigen test, not the antibody test)meganfernandez wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:16 pmDoes the result of the antibody test have any bearing on whether someone boards a plane or not? I can't imagine it does. So what's the point?ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:02 pm Here in Bogota we can get an antigen/antibody test in 4 hours. One company has set up shop at the airport and you can get the test in 2. People are going to the airport a little earlier (of, a couple of hours earlier), get the test, and get the result there, on the spot. The good thing about that is that you don't get the weird scenario of getting your test yesterday, results on the same day, and then during the afternoon you rubbed elbows with somebody that passed it along.
The PCR is the one that can't be shortened, so the three days of waiting to get the results may be the three days in which you catch it. I would trust that one a little less.
https://www.si.com/tennis/2021/01/20/ma ... tive-testsskatingfan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:26 pmDo you have a link @meganfernandez? I can't read the images you posted.meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:05 pm Mailbag.pngI thought long and hard about sending this comment to Jon this week. I didn't think he'd run it. I wanted to unpack a lot more to explain why it bothers me. I'm all for giving Mike Tyson a second chance, but my immediate reaction to seeing him a lot has definite value, too - because it's easy to talk yourself into thinking it's no big deal. But to me, it is. Not so much his mere presence as seeing the biggest people in the sport loving him, laughing with him, admiring him... it gives the impression that they simply don't care what women would think about that and they really don't take domestic abuse very seriously. And I have a feeling that's actually true. Why do we treat rapists more generously than racists, and abusers more generously than molesters? (I'd say this goes for homophobia, too - I imagine this is how gay people feel when they see people apparently accepting Tennys Sandgren's transgressions. I'd be embarrassed if my gay friends saw me go to one of his matches. I don't think either he or Mike Tyson are awful people. There's more to them than their sins. They might genuinely have changed. But when you see them exalted in your sport, it stings.)
The quote thing - it was just jarring to see Mouratoglou having this conversation with him. I get it, it had nothing to do with Tyson's past as an abuser, and it's actually a good point about pressure. In the moment, of course you stay in the interview and respect your guest. I wish he had thought twice about posting it, unless it was purely live. I'm willing to bet it didn't even cross his mind.
(BTW - thinking about it, I'm sure I don't have a clear view of how racists are actually treated. Maybe there are plenty of racists who are exalted in tennis the same way. So I'm sorry if I have misjudged that.)
mmmm8 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:55 pm I have the same reaction as Megan. Agree - he did his time, so this isn't saying he can't have a public life. But we should also not pretend he never did what he did just because he paid the price or admitted it or is a better person now. It's the adulation and completely ignoring his past that bother me.
For what it's worth, I had the same issue with Kobe Bryant. Yes, he appeared to have become a much better person, and his death was a loss, but it really bothered me his admitted rape of a woman was never acknowledged in the more recent years before his tragic death or the adulation after.
I didn't meant to post this in the AO thread. Shoulda been Tennis Random, Random. Sorry. If someone wants to move it, go ahead.mmmm8 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:55 pm I have the same reaction as Megan. Agree - he did his time, so this isn't saying he can't have a public life. But we should also not pretend he never did what he did just because he paid the price or admitted it or is a better person now. It's the adulation and completely ignoring his past that bother me.
For what it's worth, I had the same issue with Kobe Bryant. Yes, he appeared to have become a much better person, and his death was a loss, but it really bothered me his admitted rape of a woman was never acknowledged in the more recent years before his tragic death or the adulation after.
Without giving it a scholarly level of consideration, I'd probably give violent criminals a scarlet letter for some things in public life, broadly speaking, yeah. But again, for me it's more about what Tyson's emerging guest-of-honor casting reveals about the tennis establishment.ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:08 pm Devil's advocate: So do we go scarlet letter? You cannot clean your past, regardless of what you become in the future?
I am asking because I believe that adulation is a bit too much. It is not as if Tyson is in every SportsCenter, every night.
Plus, he did his time, fully. He was not let out on parole. That should count.
EDIT: writing while JazzNu was posting too. He says it better than I do.
^ I disagree. The slate is not clean, because when a person commits a disgusting act which harms another person or persons, that doesn't magically disappear after the offender has 'done his/her time'. The offence still occurred, and there is nothing that will ever erase that fact - not the largest fine in the world, not prison time, not a large donation to charity, not celebrity status - nothing erases factual happenings.ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:04 pm The only part in which I would disagree with you, Megan, is that Tyson did his time. In theory, he paid the price. This sets him apart from a lot of people that we know did something and have not even stepped in court.
That is the societal contract (in theory). You did your time, the slate is "clean".
It reminds me of another case. The killer of John Lennon was sentenced to 20 years in prison after his trial. But that was in 1980 (trial in 81). So in reality, this man, who is still in prison, is serving "life" (he has been denied parole 11 times) when the law passed a sentence of 20 years.
I understand. He murdered somebody. But the societal contract cannot work on the basis that because you killed somebody "special" (which would be biased) then the law does not apply to you in the opposite direction: you can have a sentenced passed by the system extended indefinitely, simply because of perception.
I see your point. Tyson did terrible things. But then he paid his price. I believe he can return to society in full. We have to keep an eye on him, but to me, his slate is clean.
BTW. In these times of slow tennis news, if I were Jon I would print your letter. It touches an interesting subject, and one well worth talking about. Keep us posted if he does, and please link it. I would like to read other opinions.
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