ATP WTA Wimbledon GS 6/27/22 - 7/10/22

[ponchi101]

By the way most bookmakers are listing Gauff as the 2nd favorite. I think that's an exaggeration, but on the other hand is there a very strong case for anyone else?

Jabeur is making one.

[Suliso]

On the other hand some great servers have dominated Wimbledon. Federer, Roddick, Ivanisevic, Sampras...

[ashkor87]

Someone with that serve shouldn't be weak on grass. Hopefully she figures it out in the near future.

Agree, but the results argue that she is indeed weak on grass. I wonder if it's entirely technical reasons or some kind of weird psychological aversion as well.

I still say that grass is not about the big serve. It is about movement. And Naomi is a great mover ON HARD COURTS. She plants herself with a lot of power, and can change directions very quickly when she has traction. On grass, you have to be quick, but you have to be light. You try to do a hard court stop, and you will go down.
It was the reason somebody basically without a serve (Connors) was able to win it twice, and make three more finals. His feet were very light and he took an extra two steps to get to the ball, so after he hit, he was already stopped. Then he could change directions.
Plus, of course, at the time points were just 4 strokes at best.

Yes, fully agree...but Serena is the exception that proves the rule, I guess..nobody would call her light on her feet...

[ashkor87]

Yes, had forgotten about Cilic..he can do well, semis maybe. Did better at RG than he had any right to, always a good early indicator.

[meganfernandez]

Someone with that serve shouldn't be weak on grass. Hopefully she figures it out in the near future.

Agree, but the results argue that she is indeed weak on grass. I wonder if it's entirely technical reasons or some kind of weird psychological aversion as well.

I still say that grass is not about the big serve. It is about movement. And Naomi is a great mover ON HARD COURTS. She plants herself with a lot of power, and can change directions very quickly when she has traction. On grass, you have to be quick, but you have to be light. You try to do a hard court stop, and you will go down.
It was the reason somebody basically without a serve (Connors) was able to win it twice, and make three more finals. His feet were very light and he took an extra two steps to get to the ball, so after he hit, he was already stopped. Then he could change directions.
Plus, of course, at the time points were just 4 strokes at best.

You're right that movement is important. Might be why Radwanska did well, plus her great hands and ability to get low. But I think the grass makes a big serve even more dangerous and gives someone who's not a great mover on grass more of a chance. I don't think Kvitova is a great mover, for instance. This is a general rule - applied, there are more factors. Osaka would need to spend a lot more time on grass to get comfortable with it.

Iga hasn't played a warmup yet, has she? And she's not entered into Eastbourne. So no grass prep for Iga? Yikes.

[Suliso]

Iga's top favorite status is 99% reputation and the win streak. Nothing to do with her actual ability on grass.

[meganfernandez]

Iga's top favorite status is 99% reputation and the win streak. Nothing to do with her actual ability on grass.

Then she isn't a runaway favorite for me until I see her play on grass.

[Suliso]

Runaway favorite? Certainly not for me either.

[ponchi101]

She is the favorite because she is number 1 and this is wide open. But runaway is not even close.
At best, some 25%.

[ashkor87]

Agree, but the results argue that she is indeed weak on grass. I wonder if it's entirely technical reasons or some kind of weird psychological aversion as well.

I still say that grass is not about the big serve. It is about movement. And Naomi is a great mover ON HARD COURTS. She plants herself with a lot of power, and can change directions very quickly when she has traction. On grass, you have to be quick, but you have to be light. You try to do a hard court stop, and you will go down.
It was the reason somebody basically without a serve (Connors) was able to win it twice, and make three more finals. His feet were very light and he took an extra two steps to get to the ball, so after he hit, he was already stopped. Then he could change directions.
Plus, of course, at the time points were just 4 strokes at best.

You're right that movement is important. Might be why Radwanska did well, plus her great hands and ability to get low. But I think the grass makes a big serve even more dangerous and gives someone who's not a great mover on grass more of a chance. I don't think Kvitova is a great mover, for instance. This is a general rule - applied, there are more factors. Osaka would need to spend a lot more time on grass to get comfortable with it.

Iga hasn't played a warmup yet, has she? And she's not entered into Eastbourne. So no grass prep for Iga? Yikes.

Serena hardly ever played prep matches on grass, Nadal doesn't much,vand neither did Agassi..in fact Agassi refused to even practice on grass..so grass tournaments are not a must...and Swiatek is a junior W champion so ...

[meganfernandez]

I still say that grass is not about the big serve. It is about movement. And Naomi is a great mover ON HARD COURTS. She plants herself with a lot of power, and can change directions very quickly when she has traction. On grass, you have to be quick, but you have to be light. You try to do a hard court stop, and you will go down.
It was the reason somebody basically without a serve (Connors) was able to win it twice, and make three more finals. His feet were very light and he took an extra two steps to get to the ball, so after he hit, he was already stopped. Then he could change directions.
Plus, of course, at the time points were just 4 strokes at best.

You're right that movement is important. Might be why Radwanska did well, plus her great hands and ability to get low. But I think the grass makes a big serve even more dangerous and gives someone who's not a great mover on grass more of a chance. I don't think Kvitova is a great mover, for instance. This is a general rule - applied, there are more factors. Osaka would need to spend a lot more time on grass to get comfortable with it.

Iga hasn't played a warmup yet, has she? And she's not entered into Eastbourne. So no grass prep for Iga? Yikes.

Serena hardly ever played prep matches on grass, Nadal doesn't much,vand neither did Agassi..in fact Agassi refused to even practice on grass..so grass tournaments are not a must...and Swiatek is a junior W champion so ...

I know Swiatek won junior W. It doesn’t mean much to me for assessing her comfort and form on grass now. Since she doesn’t have much history in the surface, I need to see how she does for a few rounds before forming an opinion.


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[ponchi101]

So what? Several players playing under a Kazakh flag are really from Russia. Because if the AELTC is going to ban players that have any relation with Russia, Zverev would be banned too.

[ti-amie]

[ponchi101]

His results lately were saying something. He really was having problems in all matches.