Well, yes, the YEC does count. But Garcia could not ride on her performance at YEC last year. As for Shelton and Korda, if they weren't American, I don't think anyone would care. They are still far behind Medvedev, Sinner ..meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:57 amI assume by meaningful, you mean impact on Slam title favorites. I have to disagree. The points and confidence are meaningful. Wozniacki won Australia because she finished 2017 with a title after going 0-6 or 0-7 in finals since her comeback then. She has said that gave her confidence going into the next year. Who's in form and gaining confidence at this point can matter.
I used to not pay too much attention to the fall indoors season, but I I think these storylines and developments can matter more than we think. Ben's' title is an important culmination of a breakthrough year. If he had gone back to not winning consecutive matches after the US Open, I think his stock would be down by Melbourne. He would be mentioned as a dark horse maybe, but now he will be on the short list of favorites after Djokovic and Alcaraz. I bet he will be the #4 or #5 pick behind Novak, Carlos, Medvedev, and Sinner. A hot pick for sure.
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Garcia is one example. One can find a single example (or a few) of anything. I think in an objective sense, these events matter - they offer points that affect rankings, and any wins are confidence-builders. Whether they have much predictive value, who knows. I don’t think any more or less than any other tournament of the same level (250, 500, etc) at any time of the year. Regardless, these events matter on their own.ashkor87 wrote:Well, yes, the YEC does count. But Garcia could not ride on her performance at YEC last year. As for Shelton and Korda, if they weren't American, I don't think anyone would care. They are still far behind Medvedev, Sinner ..meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:57 amI assume by meaningful, you mean impact on Slam title favorites. I have to disagree. The points and confidence are meaningful. Wozniacki won Australia because she finished 2017 with a title after going 0-6 or 0-7 in finals since her comeback then. She has said that gave her confidence going into the next year. Who's in form and gaining confidence at this point can matter.
I used to not pay too much attention to the fall indoors season, but I I think these storylines and developments can matter more than we think. Ben's' title is an important culmination of a breakthrough year. If he had gone back to not winning consecutive matches after the US Open, I think his stock would be down by Melbourne. He would be mentioned as a dark horse maybe, but now he will be on the short list of favorites after Djokovic and Alcaraz. I bet he will be the #4 or #5 pick behind Novak, Carlos, Medvedev, and Sinner. A hot pick for sure.
Re: Shelton and Korda, i think the reason they matter is because they have been hyped and shown a lot of potential. More so than Bublik.
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More so than Bublik because we know Bublik and he can now go three 1R tournaments in a row because he will not give one flying (expletive) about the game for a while. Bublik LIKES the sport; he certainly does not play as if he LOVES the sport.
Shelton and Korda are not like that.
Shelton and Korda are not like that.
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It is not just Garcia..Muguruza, Svitolina, Radwanska, Cibulkova..all won since 2015 ..they did nothing the next year or two ..if anything, the exceptions are those who did...Barty, Wozniacki...
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Okay, keep going past 2015. That was a period of WTA parity in general. My point is this season matters on its own as much as any other season - predictive value isn't the only thing that matters in tennis, although I'm not so sure this season has any less predictive value than any other 2 months of the year.
Fans are obsessed with predictive value instead of what's actually happening at the time. Always racing ahead.
But I do think the confidence built in this part of the season can affect the next season. The points definitely do.
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Fair enough..what I am saying is that the intensity players bring to these tournaments is much less than they bring in the regular season so strange results can happen, we should ignore them, not expect them to happen again
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Top players and injured players, for sure. The incentives are different. I think it’s indicative of what’s happening just below the very top tier, and that tier can have an impact next year. But it’s more indicative of who has had a good year, who had built up to this and who is still engaged.ashkor87 wrote:Fair enough..what I am saying is that the intensity players bring to these tournaments is much less than they bring in the regular season so strange results can happen, we should ignore them, not expect them to happen again
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I will only say: I don't like it when we say that tournaments are "not worth it".
Tell that to the winner. Tell that to any player that won (for example) only Umag in his career, or Cluj-Napoca. Tell them that it is meaningless.
I know, these tournaments are not Slams, but the players that show up and play should feel as good as possible if they win them.
Rest of the year be damned.
Tell that to the winner. Tell that to any player that won (for example) only Umag in his career, or Cluj-Napoca. Tell them that it is meaningless.
I know, these tournaments are not Slams, but the players that show up and play should feel as good as possible if they win them.
Rest of the year be damned.
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Of course, players will see things differently from us fans..we don't get the points or prize money!
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Jon Wertheim was right with you in today’s Mailbag, Ashkor!ashkor87 wrote:Of course, players will see things differently from us fans..we don't get the points or prize money!
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Wertheim has gone behind a paywall so I don't get to read him any more..I like him a lotmeganfernandez wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:15 pmJon Wertheim was right with you in today’s Mailbag, Ashkor!ashkor87 wrote:Of course, players will see things differently from us fans..we don't get the points or prize money!
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You get four free articlesashkor87 wrote:Wertheim has gone behind a paywall so I don't get to read him any more..I like him a lotmeganfernandez wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:15 pmJon Wertheim was right with you in today’s Mailbag, Ashkor!ashkor87 wrote:Of course, players will see things differently from us fans..we don't get the points or prize money!
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