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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open/Indian Wells 3/5 -3/16 2025
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 7:04 am
by Suliso
We don't, but it's a bit sad to see that she hasn't found something else meaningful to do. That's all really.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open/Indian Wells 3/5 -3/16 2025
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 8:27 am
by JTContinental
Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 7:04 am
We don't, but it's a bit sad to see that she hasn't found something else meaningful to do. That's all really.
Yes, at this point in her life you would think she might have started a successful interior design business or launched her own clothing line.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open/Indian Wells 3/5 -3/16 2025
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 2:24 pm
by ponchi101
JTContinental wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 8:27 am
Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 7:04 am
We don't, but it's a bit sad to see that she hasn't found something else meaningful to do. That's all really.
Yes, at this point in her life you would think she might have started
a successful interior design business or launched her own clothing line.
Took me a minute...
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open/Indian Wells 3/5 -3/16 2025
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 5:40 pm
by dave g
It makes me wonder if she (Venus) is planning on announcing her official retirement at Indian Wells.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open/Indian Wells 3/5 -3/16 2025
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:53 am
by ashkor87
dave g wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 5:40 pm
It makes me wonder if she (Venus) is planning on announcing her official retirement at Indian Wells.
Very unlikely..at Miami, maybe..home town now. She has little affection for IW, probably
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open/Indian Wells 3/5 -3/16 2025
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:17 pm
by ponchi101
By now, maybe Venus just wants to play a match.
Even if she has dropped so much, it must still be difficult for her to find a competitive match (Serena is always away). Maybe she just likes to be in a really competitive situation.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open/Indian Wells 3/5 -3/16 2025
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 3:22 am
by ti-amie
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open/Indian Wells 3/5 -3/16 2025
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 3:31 am
by ashkor87
Well well . How can this kind of mixup happen?
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open/Indian Wells 3/5 -3/16 2025
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 6:25 pm
by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 3:31 am
Well well . How can this kind of mixup happen?
AI.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open/Indian Wells 3/5 -3/16 2025
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 3:30 pm
by ptmcmahon
Go try to get AI to make semifinal predictions for a tournament and you'll see exactly what Ponchi means. Was getting it to try Santiago this week and four times in a row it picked the same not possible four semifinalists, even when I gave it a link to an updated draw
It's definitely a WIP, especially with sports.
(Side note a song I have been trying to remember for 30 years that I have been describing to my friends... it found in 30 seconds...)
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open/Indian Wells 3/5 -3/16 2025
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 4:10 pm
by ashkor87
I am interested in seeing how different IW results are from Miami and why...do players peak early and then run out of steam,? Or do the great players adjust in time for Miami after bring shaken by IW? Last year, Medvedev learned from IW and did better at Miami ..didn't happen with the women..Swiatek etal petered out and Collins won Miami. The dynamic is interesting.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open/Indian Wells 3/5 -3/16 2025
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 4:24 pm
by ponchi101
The natural fluctuations in the game?
You don't always have to have an elaborate theory of why player A did well in tournament X and then, in the next tournament, s/he did poorly.
Let's say you have a player that has gone 7-3 in her last three tournaments. That is a very good run. But, it means:
She lost in all
And, since most seeded players play only four rounds in regular tournaments, it means that maybe she won 3-3-1 in the tournaments, and the last one she won only one round. Which is a natural phenomena as far as stats are concerned.
We always look for some complicated narrative, forgetting the obvious: only TWO players will do really well at any tournament, because of the nature of the sport. The rest will offer a great variation of results.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open/Indian Wells 3/5 -3/16 2025
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 4:33 pm
by Suliso
The same applies to us lowly amateurs when we play tennis or any other sport. Can you really explain why one day you won and another lost vs the same opponent? I usually can't.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open/Indian Wells 3/5 -3/16 2025
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 5:11 pm
by ashkor87
As a counter, i am willing to point to a pattern- powerful players will do well at IW then will fail to adapt to Miami..humid, slightly faster courts. Only great players like Djokovic can win both, Vika too - she was the dominant hard court player that year
To be specific- Swiatek, Keys, Rybakina will do well at IW. Sabalenka, as I have remarked elsewhere, doesn't seem to fire until the clay court season. Those who do sell at IW will not repeat at Miami, it is a good test of how great Swiatek really is... We shall find out ..
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open/Indian Wells 3/5 -3/16 2025
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:40 pm
by ptmcmahon
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 4:24 pm
The natural fluctuations in the game?
You don't always have to have an elaborate theory of why player A did well in tournament X and then, in the next tournament, s/he did poorly.
Let's say you have a player that has gone 7-3 in her last three tournaments. That is a very good run. But, it means:
She lost in all
And, since most seeded players play only four rounds in regular tournaments, it means that maybe she won 3-3-1 in the tournaments, and the last one she won only one round. Which is a natural phenomena as far as stats are concerned.
We always look for some complicated narrative, forgetting the obvious: only TWO players will do really well at any tournament, because of the nature of the sport. The rest will offer a great variation of results.
Exactly. I think a lot of times here were seem to think good players should do well every time no matter what, and if not something is wrong
Although part of that can be from some of the dominant runs we've seen last couple of decades.