Talk About Tennis 2.0

skatingfan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:55 pm

AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:48 pm My question about the whole bathroom craziness, do they actually have attendants watching to see if the players actually use the toilet?

Yes

AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:18 am That is insanity and invasion of privacy.

skatingfan wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:38 am

AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:18 am That is insanity and invasion of privacy.

It's about enforcing the rules to ensure that the player doesn't do anything off court that they are not supposed to like receive a massage, take a shower, or in the past receive coaching.

AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:59 am I fully understand that, but having a player walk with an attendant to a bathroom, and having them stand outside that bathroom to make sure no one else enters is one thing. Being in the bathroom to see if they actually use the toilet is another thing.

AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:59 am Do they only on these time out use the huge locker rooms or do they have a smaller bathroom just adjacent to the court? I would think it would be much more convenient and to meet these time limits to have a small bathroom right outside the court where only the players could use them. Have the attendants stand outside the door, making sure no one else enters.

skatingfan wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:56 am

AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:59 am I fully understand that, but having a player walk with an attendant to a bathroom, and having them stand outside that bathroom to make sure no one else enters is one thing. Being in the bathroom to see if they actually use the toilet is another thing.

I guess it depends on the layout of the locker room. The attendant has to have the player in sight the whole time.

AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:59 am Do they only on these time out use the huge locker rooms or do they have a smaller bathroom just adjacent to the court? I would think it would be much more convenient and to meet these time limits to have a small bathroom right outside the court where only the players could use them. Have the attendants stand outside the door, making sure no one else enters.

Depends on the layout of the tournament grounds, and what court they're playing on. I've seen players use the port-a-potty intended for the public when that was the closest bathroom.

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:45 am This conversation is so headed for the dumpster...

skatingfan wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:56 am

AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:59 am I fully understand that, but having a player walk with an attendant to a bathroom, and having them stand outside that bathroom to make sure no one else enters is one thing. Being in the bathroom to see if they actually use the toilet is another thing.

I guess it depends on the layout of the locker room. The attendant has to have the player in sight the whole time.

AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:59 am Do they only on these time out use the huge locker rooms or do they have a smaller bathroom just adjacent to the court? I would think it would be much more convenient and to meet these time limits to have a small bathroom right outside the court where only the players could use them. Have the attendants stand outside the door, making sure no one else enters.

Depends on the layout of the tournament grounds, and what court they're playing on. I've seen players use the port-a-potty intended for the public when that was the closest bathroom.

AcesAnnie wrote:

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:44 pm Time to edit the rules-book?
This, the warning given to Ruud for taking a bathroom break but not actually using the loo. Some really dumb situations, lately.

My question about the whole bathroom craziness, do they actually have attendants watching to see if the players actually use the toilet?

Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:16 am

skatingfan wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:56 am

AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:59 am I fully understand that, but having a player walk with an attendant to a bathroom, and having them stand outside that bathroom to make sure no one else enters is one thing. Being in the bathroom to see if they actually use the toilet is another thing.

I guess it depends on the layout of the locker room. The attendant has to have the player in sight the whole time.

AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:59 am Do they only on these time out use the huge locker rooms or do they have a smaller bathroom just adjacent to the court? I would think it would be much more convenient and to meet these time limits to have a small bathroom right outside the court where only the players could use them. Have the attendants stand outside the door, making sure no one else enters.

Depends on the layout of the tournament grounds, and what court they're playing on. I've seen players use the port-a-potty intended for the public when that was the closest bathroom.

The person escorting the player to the bathroom does not have to always have the player within their sight. For example, if they go into a bathroom stall with a door, the escort will not go in there with the player. But they WILL listen for the sound of the urine stream hitting the water in the toilet.
Similarly, if the player uses a portable toilet intended for fans, they will not necessarily enter in with the player - it's a judgement call. A friend of mine escorted Dan Evans to one of these banks of portable toilets last week, and did not enter in with Evans.

Of course, whenever possible, the escort will be the same gender as the player.

And, yes, the rule states that they must urinate or defecate when they take a bathroom break. The way it's been explained to me by my friends doing that job, the male players must urinate or defecate on a bathroom break, but female players are permitted to only change their clothes, without depositing anything into the toilet.
This seems unjust, as what is a male player supposed to do if he wants to put on a new pair of shorts? He's not allowed to change into them on-court, and if he goes off court to change his shorts, he must urinate or defecate. That rule needs to be changed to make it consistent with what the female players are permitted to do.

ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:21 pm Sigh. Morgane Lara must be new.

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Ben Rothenberg
@BenRothenberg

After briefly considering cutting her flag down to a regulation size, Lola was escorted by the security official to the parking lot, where he had told her she could store this offending Ukrainian flag in her car.

She was then allowed to return to the tournament grounds.

Asked for comment, the #CincyTennis simply pointed to the rule about flag size.

The WTA, whose chair umpire (and player) precipitated this incident, have not replied to a request for comment for nearly 24 hours now.

Tennis has not been consistent in how it has handled issues regarding the Russian invasion of Ukraine, as we know, both in terms of policies and in symbolic displays of support.

But this incident, I believe, is a clear misstep.

(12/12)

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:27 am

AcesAnnie wrote:

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:44 pm Time to edit the rules-book?
This, the warning given to Ruud for taking a bathroom break but not actually using the loo. Some really dumb situations, lately.

My question about the whole bathroom craziness, do they actually have attendants watching to see if the players actually use the toilet?

I heard that if they go into a stall, it counts as “going to the bathroom.” No one is checking the bowl. Ruud must not have entered a stall.

AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:28 am I agree the rules are too strict and should be changed. The men should be allowed to change their shorts without using the toilet. Have you seen some of them sweat?

Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:30 am

ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:21 pm Sigh. Morgane Lara must be new.

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Ben Rothenberg
@BenRothenberg

After briefly considering cutting her flag down to a regulation size, Lola was escorted by the security official to the parking lot, where he had told her she could store this offending Ukrainian flag in her car.

She was then allowed to return to the tournament grounds.

Asked for comment, the #CincyTennis simply pointed to the rule about flag size.

The WTA, whose chair umpire (and player) precipitated this incident, have not replied to a request for comment for nearly 24 hours now.

Tennis has not been consistent in how it has handled issues regarding the Russian invasion of Ukraine, as we know, both in terms of policies and in symbolic displays of support.

But this incident, I believe, is a clear misstep.

(12/12)

^ This is far more than a mere 'misstep'. It is absolutely disgusting.
Both Kalinskaya and Putinseva are Russian, and so it could have been either one of them - or both - who complained.
But the only proper response to such a complaint would be "Too bad," with absolutely no action taken with Lola.

Again - this is the way the world is going, and it's very, very sad - and extremely unhealthy. People complain about anything and everything that they disagree with, and want the action or the person that they disagree with silenced. These are often the same people who preach 'tolerance' and 'non-judgmentalism', of course.
Whoever complains first and/or loudest 'wins' - and that's so, so incredibly wrong.
It's at a point now where anyone complaining that they are 'offended' or 'uncomfortable' with someone else's opinion or perspective or values or beliefs does so purely to stifle the person or action that they disagree with so that they can then be 'comfortable'.
As if anyone has a right to be 'comfortable' with everything 24 hours per day!

It's very, very sad...

Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:35 am

AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:28 am I agree the rules are too strict and should be changed. The men should be allowed to change their shorts without using the toilet. Have you seen some of them sweat?

^ Sweating isn't the only problem that would require a change of shorts...

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