Liamvalid wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:41 pm
Is that Swiatek? At the French?
Yes. I started this thread in TAT1.0 as a place to put BAD journalism. A bit of sarcasm, if I may.
Haha yeah I got the sarcasm, but it took me three reads of the post before I realised that the photo wasn’t Kenin I’m out of practice
by skatingfan According to City News radio, Andreescu beat Madison Pringle to advance to the next round.
by ponchi101 Pringle crumbled to pieces, I guess...
by skatingfan
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:10 am
Pringle crumbled to pieces, I guess...
Did you really need to chip in?
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I guess one lesson she can learn it how to DO IT AGAIN. A 23 match win streak does not sound bad.
(The article then goes on to talk about learning about the LOSS to Sakkari, not the streak). -->
by ponchi101
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I guess one lesson she can learn it how to DO IT AGAIN. A 23 match win streak does not sound bad.
(The article then goes on to talk about learning about the LOSS to Sakkari, not the streak).
by ti-amie
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Little known to his fans, Sampras reclaimed Greek citizenship after his 5th Wimbledon, and his 6th and 7th titles are actually credited to that nation.
Eat that, Stefanos Tsisipas.
(For the 1000th time, and here I sit, unemployed. Who writes this stuff?) -->
Little known to his fans, Sampras reclaimed Greek citizenship after his 5th Wimbledon, and his 6th and 7th titles are actually credited to that nation.
Eat that, Stefanos Tsisipas.
(For the 1000th time, and here I sit, unemployed. Who writes this stuff?)
Little known to his fans, Sampras reclaimed Greek citizenship after his 5th Wimbledon, and his 6th and 7th titles are actually credited to that nation.
Eat that, Stefanos Tsisipas.
(For the 1000th time, and here I sit, unemployed. Who writes this stuff?)
I didn't know he did that. Did he reclaim it under his real name?
by ponchi101 Petreus Colossus Emeritus Sampras Grandiosus Excelsius.
He shortened it so it would fit in the standard Greek ID.
by ti-amie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:38 pm
Petreus Colossus Emeritus Sampras Grandiosus Excelsius.
He shortened it so it would fit in the standard Greek ID.
I've always wondered about that since I read years ago "Petros" isn't his real first name.
by dmforeverFirst one to spot the mistake gets a prize...C'mon Sports Illustrated. You can do better than this.
by ponchi101 It is subtle, but:
They flipped Barty's image. She is not left handed.
by JazzNU
dmforever wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:20 am
First one to spot the mistake gets a prize...C'mon Sports Illustrated. You can do better than this.
Sports Illustrated?!? Oh dear. I was thinking a random tennis outlet upon seeing that kind of egregious mistake. Yikes!
by 3mlm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:31 am
It is subtle, but:
They flipped Barty's image. She is not left handed.
They mistakenly used a picture of Kristyna instead of Karolina. Thus the blond hair and left handed grip.
by dave g
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:31 am
It is subtle, but:
They flipped Barty's image. She is not left handed.
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:31 am
It is subtle, but:
They flipped Barty's image. She is not left handed.
They mistakenly used a picture of Kristyna instead of Karolina. Thus the blond hair and left handed grip.
Your intentionally wrong guesses at the problem with the photo are hysterical. It is sort of like a variation of the "Caption This" contests, but it would be closer to a "Miscaption This" contest.
by dmforever You get a prize, and you get a prize, and you get a prize...everyone gets a prize. It's........a lifetime subscription to...Sports Illustrated online! Congratulations!!!!
by ti-amie
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So, a story about Amelie Mauresmo and you put a shot of... who is this woman? Is she even a tennis player? (she looks familiar). -->
by ponchi101 And well, Yahoo tries, but they can't get a proper tennis coverage:
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So, a story about Amelie Mauresmo and you put a shot of... who is this woman? Is she even a tennis player? (she looks familiar).
by skatingfan
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:07 pm
And well, Yahoo tries, but they can't get a proper tennis coverage:
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So, a story about Amelie Mauresmo and you put a shot of... who is this woman? Is she even a tennis player? (she looks familiar).
I think it's Alicia Molik. Molik is the current Australian Fed Cup Captain, and the shirt the woman in the photo is wearing says Australian Fed Cup on it.
by ponchi101 Ah, I see. So, somebody made a search for "tennis players with AM initials" and ALICIA comes before AMELIE.
Sole explanation I can think of.
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:20 pm
Ah, I see. So, somebody made a search for "tennis players with AM initials" and ALICIA comes before AMELIE.
Sole explanation I can think of.
The photo's metadata might be wrong. And it might include "France" if the photo was taken there (but Australia hasn't played a Fed Cup tie in France in recent history, so that's dubious). Maybe the automatic photo editor does use the initials as a search element.
And/or... the photo editor or whoever thought, "yeah, that sound right, there was an A and an M" and called it a day.
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From MSN. You could find shots from two players.
Too hard, I guess. -->
by ponchi101
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From MSN. You could find shots from two players.
Too hard, I guess.
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Not to mention, the ban has not taken effect yet, so he cannot be back in the tour AFTER it. -->
by ponchi101 But, but...
Danillo does not have to worry about the Russian ban for Wimbledon. He is Italian!
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Not to mention, the ban has not taken effect yet, so he cannot be back in the tour AFTER it.
by ashkor87 Meanwhile a respected journalist tells us, in Tennis magazine, that Strycova won RG last year
by ponchi101 Get your tennis news HERE! We are thorough...
Yes, sometimes some people post some stuff that makes you wonder how come they got their job.
by ti-amie
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:25 am
Meanwhile a respected journalist tells us, in Tennis magazine, that Strycova won RG last year
by ashkor87 On a positive note, String Theory by David Foster Wallace is a marvellous book of essays on tennis..well worth your time, both in terms of insights and sheer writing..the chapter on Federer has entered tennis lore, but I personally like the one on Tracy Austin best...
by ponchi101 Actually, a book I have never read, and have heard nothing but positive praise.
I really should.
by Cuckoo4Coco
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:52 am
On a positive note, String Theory by David Foster Wallace is a marvellous book of essays on tennis..well worth your time, both in terms of insights and sheer writing..the chapter on Federer has entered tennis lore, but I personally like the one on Tracy Austin best...
I will have to look for this book. Thanks for sharing about it.
by meganfernandez This IS wonderful creativity. Don’t know where else to put it.
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by Deuce
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 1:26 am
This IS wonderful creativity. Don’t know where else to put it.
It's all too often very true.
by ponchi101
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 1:26 am
This IS wonderful creativity. Don’t know where else to put it.
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Next time somebody says satire is dead....
Brilliant And, as an aspiring writer that will never make it, I roast with envy
by meganfernandez I wrote this for Milwaukee magazine. You can decide if you think it's great or *great" tennis journalism. IMO, it's neither. It's OK. (It's about Essential Tennis's founder, Ian Westermann, who lives and coaches in Wisconsin.)
Also, I just started writing for Tennis.com, and I admit this isn't great journalism. But I had to find a Baseline story that day while juggling editing other stuff for the website, and this worked. Emma-Serena was the talk of the tennis world.
by ponchi101 I am really tempted to start a new topic because both articles go completely against the spirit of this topic, which is LOUSY tennis journalism. I really enjoyed the Westermann article; I totally disagree with the "pros" that just feed you balls and never even give you a hint of what you are doing wrong. His approach seems, to me, the correct one.
Two great pieces (I also enjoyed the other, although not as much as the first one). YOU HAVE RUINED THIS TOPIC, MEGAN! Ruined it!
Congrats. Indeed, Great Tennis Journalism
by ptmcmahon Yeah no great journalism allowed in the Great Journalism thread
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:04 pm
I am really tempted to start a new topic because both articles go completely against the spirit of this topic, which is LOUSY tennis journalism. I really enjoyed the Westermann article; I totally disagree with the "pros" that just feed you balls and never even give you a hint of what you are doing wrong. His approach seems, to me, the correct one.
Two great pieces (I also enjoyed the other, although not as much as the first one). YOU HAVE RUINED THIS TOPIC, MEGAN! Ruined it!
Congrats. Indeed, Great Tennis Journalism
Sorry for spoiling the fun. This isn't great tennis journalism, but it's decent. Thanks for reading and for the kind words. I'd love to know what questions you're left with, because I'm going to write a more tennis-focused version of the story pretty soon. This one was a general profile.
I would have put this in Tennis Random, Random before it changed to On Court Only.
I made some true Great Tennis Journalism errors on the Tennis.com page when I was working on Saturday. I posted that Ruud beat Djokovic in the quarters at Toronto last year - nope, it was Rome last year, and I misread the match notes. Also mixed up Team Europe and Team World in a Ruud story, and that one stayed up for hours before I caught it. No one was proofing my stories. To me, the European team scanned as "world," and I just made a mistake. Looked at it 10 times before I caught it. Happens. I was waiting for someone to post those here.
by ponchi101 If you have time, which I know it is precious due to deadlines, you can start a topic and we can help you proof-read it. It can be fun.
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:16 pm
If you have time, which I know it is precious due to deadlines, you can start a topic and we can help you proof-read it. It can be fun.
I wish there was for outside proof-read before posting. Maybe an hour in some cases... Might try it next time, whenever that is. I appreciate the offer!
Right now, I need new angles on Westermann. Something tennis-centric. Been circling around why tennis teaching pros don't use video more (Ian has never been invited to a coaching conference, for instance, and given his Youtube following, that's odd). Or why club players get so worked up about being a tiny bit better, when there's nothing at stake. That kind of life/identity/tennis intersection, which Ian specializes in.
In the past, I never got responses when I have asked for help with story ideas. Several times. I figured it's just not what people here are into.
by ponchi101 But you have the idea right there. You read your article, and the question is obvious: why don't the other pros do this? Why just the basket of balls? After all, today, everybody has a camcorder in his/her pocket.
So, why and how did Westermann hit on the idea, but other people don't do it? For example, when we go skiing, I always film my GF with my phone, on the 2nd-3rd day. Then I will film her about every two weeks, so she can see her progress.
Why isn't this method adopted, and what other media can be used to enhance teaching?
by dave g I am surprised that other tennis teachers/coaches of club-level players aren't taping the people they are helping. I remember someone telling me that they had gone someplace to take some tennis lessons, and the coach has taped them so they could see what they were doing wrong. And that was 20 years ago.
by ashkor87
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:44 pm
I wrote this for Milwaukee magazine. You can decide if you think it's great or *great" tennis journalism. IMO, it's neither. It's OK. (It's about Essential Tennis's founder, Ian Westermann, who lives and coaches in Wisconsin.)
Also, I just started writing for Tennis.com, and I admit this isn't great journalism. But I had to find a Baseline story that day while juggling editing other stuff for the website, and this worked. Emma-Serena was the talk of the tennis world.
Read it..really excellent...totally relate to watching yourself on video, that is how I teach communication too ..
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:02 pm
But you have the idea right there. You read your article, and the question is obvious: why don't the other pros do this? Why just the basket of balls? After all, today, everybody has a camcorder in his/her pocket.
So, why and how did Westermann hit on the idea, but other people don't do it? For example, when we go skiing, I always film my GF with my phone, on the 2nd-3rd day. Then I will film her about every two weeks, so she can see her progress.
Why isn't this method adopted, and what other media can be used to enhance teaching?
dave g wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:10 pm
I am surprised that other tennis teachers/coaches of club-level players aren't taping the people they are helping. I remember someone telling me that they had gone someplace to take some tennis lessons, and the coach has taped them so they could see what they were doing wrong. And that was 20 years ago.
Yeha, this is probably a viable angle. I just worry about the reporting to determine if Ian's theory is correct and that most teaching pros don't use video. I'm sure they do in junior development. But among 3.0-4.5 club players, he swears they don't.
Why? Skill set is one issue - not everyone is adept with an iPad and video editing. Ian edits videos on the fly, on the court with the student, and shows the clip side by side with a pro player's clip. He can do a lot with the iPad in the moment. That's a totally different skill set than teaching.
Ian would also say that it's because most club players don't want that kind of feedback, so the pro isn't incentivized to provide it. It wouldn't work in a group clinic - it would slow things down too much. I'm guessing some pros use it in private lessons. The problem, as Ian sees it, is that without video, the teaching pro is just guessing about what's really wrong with a stroke or movement. I think most teaching pros would disagree - they would say their eyes are pretty trained, and that they have made many players better without video. But it's also true that most people think they are doing A but really they are doing B. And they never know, and that's at the root of their frustration.
by ponchi101 As a starter, when you visualize yourself on the court, it means nothing for the reality. If you have some analytical capacity, you will immediately see all your faults: the short backswings, the improper footwork, the wrong point of impact.
If you are honest with yourself, just watching the video is an incredible option. But you have to be open to the fact that, in reality, you suck.
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote:As a starter, when you visualize yourself on the court, it means nothing for the reality. If you have some analytical capacity, you will immediately see all your faults: the short backswings, the improper footwork, the wrong point of impact.
If you are honest with yourself, just watching the video is an incredible option. But you have to be open to the fact that, in reality, you suck.
Right. We aren’t nearly as good as we think we are. But I push back against the idea that we have to see ourselves to improve. I have improved a lot in the last few years without video analysis. Thousands of players reach a 4.5 level without it.
He thinks you can improve in the short term but will usually revert back to your previous form out of habit.
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by ponchi101 I didn't say that you can't improve without video. But it is a fantastic tool.
You see? We have an entire article going on here
by Deuce I was amazed at how lazy I looked on the court when I saw myself on video about 15 years ago.
Sometimes it's best to avoid video .
by 3mlm According to the Daily Schedule on the ATP US Open site, Chris Eubanks has defeated Raul Brancacchio 14 times on 9 different courts since 11 am EST today.
by ponchi101 Better than risk it with one lousy, iffy TB. Make sure Eubanks deserves that spot.
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I know they will be linked forever, but this is ridiculous. -->
by ponchi101 Because finding a stock photo of Rafa is almost impossible nowadays:
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I know they will be linked forever, but this is ridiculous.
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:38 pm
Because finding a stock photo of Rafa is almost impossible nowadays:
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I know they will be linked forever, but this is ridiculous.
This made me laugh. It's like, Fed news is so popular right now they're just going to brazenly slap a photo of him on any story, topic be damned.
I'm sure it's just another automatic image search error (Rafa's in the keywords somewhere), but it's still funny.
by Owendonovan Be prepared for plenty of pictures of Serena when Venus retires.
by ponchi101 For sure...
by meganfernandez Tennis magazine is going out of print. It's dead. The end of an era! I have read it all my life. The digital content will continue.
In the late 80s and early 90s, I used to check out back issues at my school library. I photocopied favorite stories, like Michael Chang winning the French and a poem called "The Night Before Wimbledon," a riff on "The Night Before Christmas." Actually, a few years ago I randomly met the person who wrote that poem! It must have been 30 years ago, at least.
by Deuce
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:59 pm
Tennis magazine is going out of print. It's dead. The end of an era! I have read it all my life. The digital content will continue.
In the late 80s and early 90s, I used to check out back issues at my school library. I photocopied favorite stories, like Michael Chang winning the French and a poem called "The Night Before Wimbledon," a riff on "The Night Before Christmas." Actually, a few years ago I randomly met the person who wrote that poem! It must have been 30 years ago, at least.
Yes, I also remember the days when Tennis Magazine and World Tennis were competing against each other... Tennis Magazine was almost always the better of the two.
Not surprising that they are ceasing the printed version. Many long established newspapers are doing the same thing.
Good for the environment, but not good for society.
by ponchi101 With so little tennis shown in Venezuela at the time, I had to rely on Tennis Mag for info. It was a favorite read.
As a person that still does not have a Kindle, because I like the feel of paper on my hands when I read, it will be missed. Not that I can find it here in Bogota. Some excellent writing through the ages.
by skatingfan
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 6:33 am
Meanwhile, Tennis.com informs us that Musetti beat shapovalov..poor Sonego, can't even get credit...I suppose all Italians are the same to some journalists...
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 6:33 am
Meanwhile, Tennis.com informs us that Musetti beat shapovalov..poor Sonego, can't even get credit...I suppose all Italians are the same to some journalists...
Spoiling the fun by repeating my reply to the original post in the Davis Cup thread:
It's a mistake, but when I have freelanced for Tennis.com producing the website, I have published several mistakes. And I think I'm pretty good! One's attention is divided into about 100 different shards. It's sloppy, but having been there, I understand how it happens. It's shockingly easy to make what looks like a really stupid mistake. Probably the pressure of getting stuff up fast and not having two sets of eyes on things.
Having edited for 25 years, I know it's possible to stare at an error for an hour and not see it, no matter how good you are. Confirmation bias, tired brains, etc.
I don't think I have ever used the wrong player's name, but I bet I will eventually. It can be updated. Not the end of the world.
by Deuce Sorry, Megan - but when a well known entity like Tennis.com makes such an obvious error... and STILL has not corrected it, the criticism is both legitimate and valid.
This is very different than one of us posting a similar error here in this forum. I imagine that a company as significant as Tennis.com is not a one person show - they have more than just one writer employed at a given time. They are well established in the field, and there is no excuse to allow such an error still being present 12 hours (and more) after it was first (widely) noticed.
Tennis.com has taken on the responsibility of properly and accurately informing its readers. It has been favourably compensated for doing such over the years. When they fail in such a glaring fashion as this, and neglect to correct the error that many others have noted, there is no legitimate excuse.
by Owendonovan I couldn't grab it fast enough but People magazine had a picture of Serena up for Venus's AO withdrawal.
by ponchi101 One could say it is progress if they took it down fast enough... sigh.
by ti-amie This didn't age well...
by ponchi101 Why didn't it age well? He is risky, I would agree with that. The sports biggest draw could be challenged, but he does draw people (maybe Rafa is a larger draw).
What's your take? He had to withdraw from the Aussie, so the risk was there. What do you say?
by ti-amie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:51 pm
Why didn't it age well? He is risky, I would agree with that. The sports biggest draw could be challenged, but he does draw people (maybe Rafa is a larger draw).
What's your take? He had to withdraw from the Aussie, so the risk was there. What do you say?
I don't see a byline on this which means this press release was just published as news. The US tennis establishment is firmly behind pushing Kyrgios as The One to save tennis and this is in line with that point of view.
Kyrgios record over 11 years is one major final and two quarter finals.
He is not, nor does he want to be, the face of tennis in my opinion. If this was posted to bring new fans to the sport I hope they stick around and see some of the really new faces of tennis.
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:51 pm
Why didn't it age well? He is risky, I would agree with that. The sports biggest draw could be challenged, but he does draw people (maybe Rafa is a larger draw).
What's your take? He had to withdraw from the Aussie, so the risk was there. What do you say?
I don't see a byline on this which means this press release was just published as news. The US tennis establishment is firmly behind pushing Kyrgios as The One to save tennis and this is in line with that point of view.
Kyrgios record over 11 years is one major final and two quarter finals.
He is not, nor does he want to be, the face of tennis in my opinion. If this was posted to bring new fans to the sport I hope they stick around and see some of the really new faces of tennis.
Ok. I agree. I have also said it. If the ATP wants him to be the face of tennis, there are other palatable faces now that are more reliable. And come with less controversy.
by ashkor87 Tennis.com informs us in a headline that Swiatek dropped just two matches in the tournament! How does one stay in the tournament dropping two MATCHES?
by ponchi101 Uhm.... if you are in the WTA finals (or the ATP finals), you can still be in.
But yes, that is very sloppy. Better stay here at TAT2.0.
(How come we don't have a gazillion members? )
by ashkor87 You would expect the editors at Tennis.com to know the difference between a game and a match!
by Deuce
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:14 pm
Uhm.... if you are in the WTA finals (or the ATP finals), you can still be in.
But yes, that is very sloppy. Better stay here at TAT2.0. (How come we don't have a gazillion members? )
Quality is always preferable over quantity.
I hope we remain this way.
by ti-amie Ed Salmon
@fogmount@mas.to
Reminder to commentator Elliot Richardson: “Párrizas” is not an Italian name and does not rhyme with “pizzas”.
by ponchi101 Indeed.
But remember that this topic is about sarcastic GREAT tennis journalism
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by ponchi101 I know, I know, I know.
Martina is now a US Citizen. But, when she won her first Wimbledon, she was Czech, right?
So: Martina, Jana, Petra and Marketa.
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by skatingfan
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:35 pm
I know, I know, I know.
Martina is now a US Citizen. But, when she won her first Wimbledon, she was Czech, right?
So: Martina, Jana, Petra and Marketa.
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No, Navratilova defected in 1975, and won Wimbledon in 1978.
by ponchi101 Yes, but she did not become a US citizen until 1981. I mean, you don't defect and become a citizen the next day, right?
by skatingfan
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:45 pm
Yes, but she did not become a US citizen until 1981. I mean, you don't defect and become a citizen the next day, right?
No, but they don't let you represent the country once you defect - particularly a Communist-bloc country.
by ponchi101 Ah, didn't know that. Ok, sorry Wimbledon.
by meganfernandez Not sure where else to put this, but here's the latest Craig Shapiro Tennis Podcast, which I edit.
by ashkor87 Great! Will follow/subscribe..too few good podcasts on tennis
by JTContinental No one:
Jimmy Arias: From my standpoint, I don't think [Iga Swiatek's] been great for women's tennis, because she wears her hat so low that you can't even see her face or her eyes during a match, so you don't get a connection as much as you could. So, I don't mind her getting angry in some ways, but I want to see her personality.
Perhaps he also thinks she should smile more.
by JTContinental Unrelated, I could compile a decent sized list of players I'd like to wear hats on court so that I can see less of their personality.
Jimmy Arias: From my standpoint, I don't think [Iga Swiatek's] been great for women's tennis, because she wears her hat so low that you can't even see her face or her eyes during a match, so you don't get a connection as much as you could. So, I don't mind her getting angry in some ways, but I want to see her personality.
Perhaps he also thinks she should smile more.
To say that Iga isn't good for women's tennis because her hat hides her eyes is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard commentator say about a player let alone the only woman who comes out ready to take names every time she plays. I've always thought Arias is an idiot and he just proved that he is.
by mmmm8 I assume this was said during broadcast and I know they say a lot of dumb things to fill the time but jesus.
by ponchi101 They have to have a journalism class called "Silence 101". It should be for journalists and talking heads that need to be taught a simple rule: You don't have to talk all the time. Let the match/game carry you.
It is not as if Iga is the only one wearing a cap/visor.
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:15 pm
They have to have a journalism class called "Silence 101". It should be for journalists and talking heads that need to be taught a simple rule: You don't have to talk all the time. Let the match/game carry you.
It is not as if Iga is the only one wearing a cap/visor.
Staying quiet is a classic reporter's trick. Don't rush to fill the dead air - the subject will likely keep talking because dead air is uncomfortable. Usually you want the person to do most of the talking.
Commentating is different, but the best know when to stay mum. I'd guess producers are involved, too.
Regarding Iga's cap, Roddick wore one, too. Someone should tell him it was bad for American tennis.
by patrick Henin also wore a cap and did quite well.
by meganfernandez
patrick wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:58 pm
Henin also wore a cap and did quite well.
Not in the popularity department, though. To Arias's point.
by skatingfan
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:24 am
Regarding Iga's cap, Roddick wore one, too. Someone should tell him it was bad for American tennis.
So that's why American men haven't won a Grand Slam title since 2003.
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:15 pm
They have to have a journalism class called "Silence 101". It should be for journalists and talking heads that need to be taught a simple rule: You don't have to talk all the time. Let the match/game carry you.
It is not as if Iga is the only one wearing a cap/visor.
Staying quiet is a classic reporter's trick. Don't rush to fill the dead air - the subject will likely keep talking because dead air is uncomfortable. Usually you want the person to do most of the talking.
Commentating is different, but the best know when to stay mum. I'd guess producers are involved, too.
Regarding Iga's cap, Roddick wore one, too. Someone should tell him it was bad for American tennis.
It is a good rule for salepeople too! The power of silence...
by ashkor87 Tignor predicts Rublev will beat Alcaraz in the semis of cincy and Medvedev will beat Djokovic.. I wonder where he gets such ideas..a tennis expert..really?!
I wonder if it is just the need to say something different at any cost ..
by ponchi101 Maybe create a little narrative that is different. And remember, IF he is wrong, no big deal. But if he is right, he gets bragging rights because people do not keep track of the misses, just of the hits.
Same procedure as astrologers do.
by jazzyg As a member of the media (though rarely covering tennis), there's nothing worse than fans ripping our selections as stupid or calculated or something else.
I assume Tignor made those picks because he thinks that is what will happen. I've read all of his selections over the past several years, and for the most part, he is pretty accurate, although predicting what will happen always is difficult. Wertheim has riffed many times on how his picks create more anger and derision among his readers than anything else, almost to the point that he dreads making picks.
Ashkor, you have plenty of tennis knowledge, but like anyone else would be who tries to predict results, you've been incredibly wrong on a ton of your voluminous predictions over the last several months. I'm a little surprised you are questioning the basis for Tignor's given your own experience.
by meganfernandez
jazzyg wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:10 pm
As a member of the media (though rarely covering tennis), there's nothing worse than fans ripping our selections as stupid or calculated or something else.
I assume Tignor made those picks because he thinks that is what will happen. I've read all of his selections over the past several years, and for the most part, he is pretty accurate, although predicting what will happen always is difficult. Wertheim has riffed many times on how his picks create more anger and derision among his readers than anything else, almost to the point that he dreads making picks.
Ashkor, you have plenty of tennis knowledge, but like anyone else would be who tries to predict results, you've been incredibly wrong on a ton of your voluminous predictions over the last several months. I'm a little surprised you are questioning the basis for Tignor's given your own experience.
Rublev and Medvedev played each other in the Cincy semis two years ago. Tignor is factoring in past performance in Cincy and maybe who might be well-rested after Canada. But I think he's nuts to pick Rublev and Medvedev, given recent results - Rublev has had a good summer, but on grass and clay. Losing if R1 to Mackie McDonals in straights in Canada doesn't scream "long run in Cincy" to me. Unless he is rested.
Tignor didn't explain his semi and finals picks, but he must think Alcaraz was too erratic in Canada. But he was a lot better than Rublev. And I don't think Medvedev this year beats Djokovic. Meddy hasn't had a good year.
by Suliso Do we know what he predicted for this week?
by meganfernandez
Suliso wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 9:14 pm
Do we know what he predicted for this week?
Semis: Alcaraz over Tsitsipas, Medvedev over Rublev
Final: Alcaraz over Medvedev
So he was way off, and he's doubling down on Meddy and Rublev. Predictions in B3 matches are always wild guesses, especially when most top players are changing surfaces. Medvedev talked about the uncertainties of his form in Toronto, being the first hard-court tournament in awhile. Of course, someone's going to do well in Toronto and plenty of top players have come in with guns blazing without any HC prep since Miami, but it's still a variable.
He was off in the women's draw, too - Swiatek over Gauff, Rybakina over Sabalenka, and Swiatek over Rybakina. But again, a lot of predictions are a fool's errand.
by ponchi101 Just look at our own predictions this week. We were way off.
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 9:46 pm
Just look at our own predictions this week. We were way off.
fool's errand. I said it once and I'll say it again.
by meganfernandez Here's Caitlin Thompson's piece on American tennis for Vanity Fair. Uninspired hyperbole. Written from afar. Mainly about the photos and bare chests. Missed opportunity here. And an easy $5k paycheck.
by ponchi101 NEVER BEEN HOTTER?
How can you say that? The USA has no current Slam holders, and we know the drought on the ATP side is nowhere neat to ending.
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:31 pm
NEVER BEEN HOTTER?
How can you say that? The USA has no current Slam holders, and we know the drought on the ATP side is nowhere neat to ending.
Exactly. I guess they mean physically hotter, as in sexier? That might be correct, I guess.
Gauff is the big hope, and maybe Pegula in the short term. I don't expect her to maintain this level for years. I don't see one of the guys breaking through with a Slam title soon. Maybe Fritz or Paul with a final, but hard to see them beating Alcaraz or Djokovic in B5.
by ti-amie
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:09 pm
Here's Caitlin Thompson's piece on American tennis for Vanity Fair. Uninspired hyperbole. Written from afar. Mainly about the photos and bare chests. Missed opportunity here. And an easy $5k paycheck.
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:09 pm
Here's Caitlin Thompson's piece on American tennis for Vanity Fair. Uninspired hyperbole. Written from afar. Mainly about the photos and bare chests. Missed opportunity here. And an easy $5k paycheck.
I posted the photos but not the article. It's interesting that neither Gauff nor Fritz are featured.
Guessing they didn't want to do the photo shoots or couldn't make it work with their schedules. Only explanation. Zero reason they wouldn't have been in editorially.
I asked Caitlin on Twitter whether she really thinks this generation will come close to the accomplishments of previous ones, and she said her point is she doesn't care, and neither do they. I can see fans not holding it against them, but the players should be a lot more ambitious than that. I'm disappointed to hear that's true. You won't get anywhere with that thinking, and I'm not even sure it's true. They just needed a premise other than "we wanted to show a bunch of hot 20-somethings."
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:31 pm
NEVER BEEN HOTTER?
How can you say that? The USA has no current Slam holders, and we know the drought on the ATP side is nowhere neat to ending.
Exactly. I guess they mean physically hotter, as in sexier? That might be correct, I guess.
Yeah Ponchi - get your mind IN the gutter
by mmmm8
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:09 pm
Here's Caitlin Thompson's piece on American tennis for Vanity Fair. Uninspired hyperbole. Written from afar. Mainly about the photos and bare chests. Missed opportunity here. And an easy $5k paycheck.
Caitlin Thompson is the editor/founder of Racquet Magazine and co-hosts a monthly podcast with Rennae Stubbs. I think this is an intentional fluff/puff piece rather than someone that doesn't know tennis.
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:09 pm
Here's Caitlin Thompson's piece on American tennis for Vanity Fair. Uninspired hyperbole. Written from afar. Mainly about the photos and bare chests. Missed opportunity here. And an easy $5k paycheck.
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:09 pm
Here's Caitlin Thompson's piece on American tennis for Vanity Fair. Uninspired hyperbole. Written from afar. Mainly about the photos and bare chests. Missed opportunity here. And an easy $5k paycheck.
Caitlin Thompson is the editor/founder of Racquet Magazine and co-hosts a monthly podcast with Rennae Stubbs. I think this is an intentional fluff/puff piece rather than someone that doesn't know tennis.
I asked her about it on Twitter. She said her point is that this generation is known for its swagger and isn't living in the shadow of previous American greats - they don't care and neither does she, as a fan. I do think she was trying to do better than a puff piece. She wouldn't put her name on something she didn't think was decent. She just had to find SOME throughline/angle other than "meet the new generation of American tennis players." She had to try to find some DNA to this generation. I don't get it and I don't think the little bio for each player let her accomplish much. All the heavy lifting was in the intro. And it still had to be for a non-tennis audience. This is an attitude piece. The photos are the main course anyway.
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:09 pm
Here's Caitlin Thompson's piece on American tennis for Vanity Fair. Uninspired hyperbole. Written from afar. Mainly about the photos and bare chests. Missed opportunity here. And an easy $5k paycheck.
I asked her about it on Twitter. She said her point is that this generation is known for its swagger and isn't living in the shadow of previous American greats - they don't care and neither does she, as a fan. I do think she was trying to do better than a puff piece. She wouldn't put her name on something she didn't think was decent. She just had to find SOME throughline/angle other than "meet the new generation of American tennis players." She had to try to find some DNA to this generation. I don't get it and I don't think the little bio for each player let her accomplish much. All the heavy lifting was in the intro. And it still had to be for a non-tennis audience. This is an attitude piece around a fashion story.
And a good clip/paycheck.
Great. This generation may think they are not living in the shadows of the previous great Americans.
But it is the same as with the Aussies. You are an Aussie? The names Laver, Rosewall, Newcombe, Goolagong, the unmentionable one and many others are there to remind you of a great tradition. And so it is with Americans.
Which makes the saying "American tennis has never been hotter" factually wrong.
I mean, a lot of players are missing here. No Carlos. No Novak in a Prada faux-fox-fur jockstrap, either.
The story is only Americans.
OH, LOL, of course. SHHEEESH on me!
Revised: No J.J. Wolf. No John Isner in a Prada faux-fox-fur jockstrap, either.
No Fritz or Coco, either. Could have been a scheduling issue. Could have been that they had no interest in an ensemble article - they are solo stars now.
I asked her about it on Twitter. She said her point is that this generation is known for its swagger and isn't living in the shadow of previous American greats - they don't care and neither does she, as a fan. I do think she was trying to do better than a puff piece. She wouldn't put her name on something she didn't think was decent. She just had to find SOME throughline/angle other than "meet the new generation of American tennis players." She had to try to find some DNA to this generation. I don't get it and I don't think the little bio for each player let her accomplish much. All the heavy lifting was in the intro. And it still had to be for a non-tennis audience. This is an attitude piece around a fashion story.
And a good clip/paycheck.
Great. This generation may think they are not living in the shadows of the previous great Americans.
But it is the same as with the Aussies. You are an Aussie? The names Laver, Rosewall, Newcombe, Goolagong, the unmentionable one and many others are there to remind you of a great tradition. And so it is with Americans.
Which makes the saying "American tennis has never been hotter" factually wrong.
Right, I think angle is a reach and "never been hotter" is wrong unless they mean looks, and even that is dubious."Never been hotter" is just a commercial, low-hanging subhead to get people to read and to connect the photos and the story.
It's irrelevant whether the players are living in any shadows - it just sounds somewhat smart. They should be inspired by the greatness that came before them. That angle is cliche and boring, though.
Revised: No J.J. Wolf. No John Isner in a Prada faux-fox-fur jockstrap, either.
No Fritz or Coco, either. Could have been a scheduling issue. Could have been that they had no interest in an ensemble article - they are solo stars now.
My comments started with ti-amie's mention of Fritz and Coco not being included. Just in case you were having a Nelslus-Dizzy moment here.
Revised: No J.J. Wolf. No John Isner in a Prada faux-fox-fur jockstrap, either.
No Fritz or Coco, either. Could have been a scheduling issue. Could have been that they had no interest in an ensemble article - they are solo stars now.
My comments started with ti-amie's mention of Fritz and Coco not being included. Just in case you were having a Nelslus-Dizzy moment here.
Oh, right. Sorry!
by ashkor87 Tignor at it again - predicts Zverev will reach the finals of the USO, beating Alcaraz and Medvedev along the way. I would say that is about a 0.001% chance. On the women's side, he is more reasonable Sabalenka to beat Swiatek in the finals.. that has about a 20% chance of happening, in my view. Although I wonder, if Swiatek can beat Rybakina in the semis (which she never has), why does he think she cannot beat Sabalenka (which she has done several times)?
I wonder how many people here think that is very likely?
by ponchi101 I will not go for 0.001% chance of Zverev beating Carlos/Daniil, but it does seem a bit of a stretch.
That is a bold claim, indeed.
by meganfernandez
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:53 pm
Tignor at it again - predicts Zverev will reach the finals of the USO, beating Alcaraz and Medvedev along the way. I would say that is about a 0.001% chance. On the women's side, he is more reasonable Sabalenka to beat Swiatek in the finals.. that has about a 20% chance of happening, in my view. Although I wonder, if Swiatek can beat Rybakina in the semis (which she never has), why does he think she cannot beat Sabalenka (which she has done several times)?
I wonder how many people here think that is very likely?
swiatek-sabalenka in the final would be a tossup for me. Maybe 53-47 for Iga based on her big-match performance.
Tennis gambling is a $50 BILLION industry?? And the players, who need money so badly the sport is selling out to Saudi Arabia, can’t take sponsors while tournaments can?
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by ponchi101 The ethical conundrums are huge. After all, what the person in the article says. You can LOSE ONE GAME and make thousands, and still win the match.
How do you control that?
by skatingfan I can't tell if this is parody, or just AI gone awry.
by ashkor87 Sounds like AI to me..Nadal is 19?! No human media person would be that clueless!
by Owendonovan
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 4:03 am
Sounds like AI to me..Nadal is 19?! No human media person would be that clueless!
Have you seen right wing media pundits in America?
by meganfernandez CNN finally deleted the tweet of the Mourtaglou interview where they said Coco was his newest star. Took a couple days.
Annoys me that people think everyone lives in the US..of course it is Tignor so I don't expect any better
Tennis magazine’s audience has traditionally been the US. It was an American magazine. Guessing their demo stats show it’s still the same.
by ponchi101 Pretty bland article, to me. Just announcing what will happen this week.
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 3:03 am
Pretty bland article, to me. Just announcing what will happen this week.
That isn't what annoys me ..he is talking of matches in the middle of the night..for me, this swing is the best, that is where I live!
The USO is the worst for me, middle of the night . I know Tennis is an American magazine but they do have global pretensions. I once wrote to Wertheim complimenting him on being global and unbiased...he is the best at that..
by ponchi101 Ok. I see.
by meganfernandez Not the best place for this, but there's no other obvious thread. Racquet is in trouble. Not necessarily dead, but out of money.
by mmmm8
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:35 am
Not the best place for this, but there's no other obvious thread. Racquet is in trouble. Not necessarily dead, but out of money.
Very interesting dirt
$100 (including shipping) for 4 issues... yes, probably better off to rebrand as a creative agency.
by meganfernandez
mmmm8 wrote:
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:35 am
Not the best place for this, but there's no other obvious thread. Racquet is in trouble. Not necessarily dead, but out of money.
Very interesting dirt
$100 (including shipping) for 4 issues... yes, probably better off to rebrand as a creative agency.
Do you at least get a tote bag?
I bet a lot of people paid it. You pay for the association. A lot of magazines are like that. Aspirational identity.
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:35 am
Not the best place for this, but there's no other obvious thread. Racquet is in trouble. Not necessarily dead, but out of money.
Very interesting dirt
$100 (including shipping) for 4 issues... yes, probably better off to rebrand as a creative agency.
Do you at least get a tote bag?
I bet a lot of people paid it. You pay for the association. A lot of magazines are like that. Aspirational identity.
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No tote bag. You can buy one of their merch collaboration totes for US$265.
'stardom called and he answered the phone'..very nice!! @meganfernandez
thanks!!
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by meganfernandez Who remembers the player named Zuzana that Ben was obsessed with when he was just a little tennis TATeur? Was her last name Ondraskova? Craig Shapiro is interviewing Ben today or tomorrow for his next podcast, and I told him to throw out this name, see what he says. Is that the right Zuzana?
by patrick Correct on Ben liking Zuzana before he got famous. Think you got her last name correct.
by meganfernandez
patrick wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 4:34 pm
Correct on Ben liking Zuzana before he got famous. Think you got her last name correct.
Yeah, I finally dug up an old post of his on a different tennis forum, and that's the right name. Glad someone else remembers! I'll post the podcast episode when it's out in a few days. He was in love with Zuzana.
by ptmcmahon That may be the thing I remember most about Ben! That and 20 question contests.
by meganfernandez
ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:54 pm
That may be the thing I remember most about Ben! That and 20 question contests.
Craig mentioned Zuzana in the interview and his eyes lit up. It will be on Youtube sometime soon, I think. Thanks!
I didn't do the 20 Questions! Sorry I missed it.
by ptmcmahon It could take a long time to fill out .. but was definitely an interesting contest different than just pick winners contests
by meganfernandez Ben’s episode on Craig Shapiro podcast. Zuzana at 53:00.
Cshaptennispod.com
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by skatingfan
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:35 pm
Ben’s episode on Craig Shapiro podcast. Zuzana at 53:00.
by ashkor87 Not sure the journalists are to blame here but I really hate the way Tennis shows me last year's stories immediately after this year's ...without looking at the date, I was reading how Zverev best Djokovic at WTL, till I realised it was a Dec 22 story.
by meganfernandez Another actually-good-journalism post - Craig Shapiro launched a newsletter this week. Free and not too long. https://shaptennispod.com/pages/newsletter
I edited it, but he didn't take all my suggestions. Don't blame me.
by JTContinental OH at Starbucks: “It’s like that tennis player John McEnroe says—‘why so serious?’l
by meganfernandez
JTContinental wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:13 pm
OH at Starbucks: “It’s like that tennis player John McEnroe says—‘why so serious?’l
Close!
by ponchi101 Wow! There is a joke there. Going from Mac to The Joker... it could be found
by Fastbackss I notice that a number of journalists and at least one photographer have asked tennis fans not to share and/or interact with tennis "news outlets" that blatantly just copy work of the (primarily freelance) authors and do not attribute it.
One called out by name, by Mr. Rothenberg , is "a tennis letter"
by meganfernandez
Fastbackss wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:54 pm
I notice that a number of journalists and at least one photographer have asked tennis fans not to share and/or interact with tennis "news outlets" that blatantly just copy work of the (primarily freelance) authors and do not attribute it.
One called out by name, by Mr. Rothenberg , is "a tennis letter"
I saw that from Ben yesterday, too. I didn't realize The Tennis Letter does this. It's not good. It's one thing to use a line and link to the original source. But using a large passage is wrong and potentially illegal. The standard for legal plagiarism is "heart of the matter," but I believe the ethical standard is much lower. I won't read The Tennis Letter anymore, or any source that's doing this. They also don't give credit at the top. They don't say, "So-and-so Source is reporting that..." They repeat the info then link to a source at the end, which doesn't even show up in a lot of cases unless you click "more" to see the whole post. It's wrong.
I would like to know what the other accounts are. Does anyone know?
by Fastbackss Ben is doing an AMA on Reddit tomorrow night at 6pm eastern
by dave g AMA? I am assuming you don't mean the American Medical Association, which was Google'a interpretation.
by meganfernandez
dave g wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:57 am
AMA? I am assuming you don't mean the American Medical Association, which was Google'a interpretation.
Ask Me Anything, aka a Q&A interview
by skatingfan
dave g wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:57 am
AMA? I am assuming you don't mean the American Medical Association, which was Google'a interpretation.
Guardian is my favorite paper so I was a bit sad to see this - the sports witer doesnt even know that Osaka already has 4 major titles..basic competence..even wikipedia would tell you.
by ponchi101 Indeed. Tennis wise, embarrassing.
But, Naomi... PAID maternity leave is the exception, not the rule. In the majority of the countries in the world, what you get is a few weeks, or you get UNPAID extended leave. Paternity leave is even more rare; the three countries I can vouch for (Vennieland, Colombia and Argentina) do not have it. I am pretty sure that the majority of countries in Asia do not have paternity leave or a long maternity leave.
by atlpam
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:36 pm
Indeed. Tennis wise, embarrassing.
But, Naomi... PAID maternity leave is the exception, not the rule. In the majority of the countries in the world, what you get is a few weeks, or you get UNPAID extended leave. Paternity leave is even more rare; the three countries I can vouch for (Vennieland, Colombia and Argentina) do not have it. I am pretty sure that the majority of countries in Asia do not have paternity leave or a long maternity leave.
The US does not have a national system, so it is typically dependent on the employer. Most companies provide for anywhere from 6-12 weeks of leave, but the pay would also be dependent on the company policy. US has a family leave policy, but that just allows you to take the time; it is still up to the employer as to any pay (full pay, short term disability, etc.).
The last company I worked for had excellent benefits and provided both maternity & paternity leave as well as leave for adoptions to enable the parents time to bond with the newly adopted child.
by mmmm8
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:36 pm
Indeed. Tennis wise, embarrassing.
But, Naomi... PAID maternity leave is the exception, not the rule. In the majority of the countries in the world, what you get is a few weeks, or you get UNPAID extended leave. Paternity leave is even more rare; the three countries I can vouch for (Vennieland, Colombia and Argentina) do not have it. I am pretty sure that the majority of countries in Asia do not have paternity leave or a long maternity leave.
This is not quite true for maternity. The vast majority of countries (not US) have paid maternity leave, usually starting at 12 weeks at the lowest (a few countries will have less). There are 7 countries in the world without mandated paid maternity leave requirements - US, Papua New Guinea, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Tonga. 25% of women in the US return to work within 2 weeks of childbirth. This is generally unsafe.
Paid paternity leave is often insufficient although things are changing in a lot of countries. Many countries offer at least a short leave and some provide shared leave (of course a number of countries offer long and often gender-neutral parental leaves).
Colombia has 2 weeks fully paid paternity leave and 6 weeks of maternity leave can be transferred to the father
I think Venezuela also has 2 weeks..
Argentina does only offer 2 days.
Guardian is my favorite paper so I was a bit sad to see this - the sports witer doesnt even know that Osaka already has 4 major titles..basic competence..even wikipedia would tell you.
I'll have to defend the writer here. It was a simple mistake. Wasn't double-checked. She probably isn't a tennis fan or tennis journalist, and maybe she thought she knew that for sure and was just wrong. It might even be someone else's mistake, like an editor's. But it seems like the Guardian isn't fact-checking anything or everything. I've published mistakes. It happens to everyone. Most of them are harmless. I doubt it means this writer is careless, incompetent, or a bad journalist. Hasn't everyone made a mistake in their jobs?
by ashkor87 As you say, just a mistake, probably not a tennis writer..but why can't they get one?
Given that it doesn't actually say anything worth saying, one wonders if it is a' paid' article, intended to promote Rothenberg's book..quite common in India.
Though I commend the commentary on paid maternity leave in the US, but I am sure everyone is aware of that already, though Svitolina may not have been...
by mmmm8
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:23 am
As you say, just a mistake, probably not a tennis writer..but why can't they get one?
Given that it doesn't actually say anything worth saying, one wonders if it is a' paid' article, intended to promote Rothenberg's book..quite common in India.
Though I commend the commentary on paid maternity leave in the US, but I am sure everyone is aware of that already, though Svitolina may not have been...
There is no mention of the book in the article at all and her return is a big story so I can't see this being a paid promotion.
I think Osaka (not Svitolina ) is/was aware and is just using the opportunity to call out a wrong as she's done with other issues.
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:36 pm
Indeed. Tennis wise, embarrassing.
But, Naomi... PAID maternity leave is the exception, not the rule. In the majority of the countries in the world, what you get is a few weeks, or you get UNPAID extended leave. Paternity leave is even more rare; the three countries I can vouch for (Vennieland, Colombia and Argentina) do not have it. I am pretty sure that the majority of countries in Asia do not have paternity leave or a long maternity leave.
in India, it is up to every employer.. some are very generous, some dont have any at all..
most modern companies do have, but it is quite limited..
by ashkor87 re my comment about the tennis writer, it is just part of my plea for journalists who follow, and understand tennis, rather than some football or baseball writer who has been asked to do a story on tennis. We need journalists dedicated to tennis..the error is probably not the fault of the writer - the magazine or news site should get journalists who follow tennis full-time. Nobody who really follows tennis full-time would be ignorant of the fact that Osaka has 4 majors.
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:36 pm
Indeed. Tennis wise, embarrassing.
But, Naomi... PAID maternity leave is the exception, not the rule. In the majority of the countries in the world, what you get is a few weeks, or you get UNPAID extended leave. Paternity leave is even more rare; the three countries I can vouch for (Vennieland, Colombia and Argentina) do not have it. I am pretty sure that the majority of countries in Asia do not have paternity leave or a long maternity leave.
in India, it is up to every employer.. some are very generous, some dont have any at all..
most modern companies do have, but it is quite limited..
For paternity. India has a minimum for 26 weeks paid maternity leave for the mother for the first 2 births and 12 weeks if third child or beyond (which is silly because healing, taking care of a new baby, and of 2 other children is more challenging than 1 or 2)
by ashkor87 On paper yes..reality is something else .more than 90 percent of the workforce is in the informal sector, to whom no laws really apply
by ponchi101 Well, but that is a macro issue. M8's point is that, as far as the laws are concerned, maternity leave is in them.
by ashkor87 Sorry to be pedantic but it pains me when I read 'can Sabalenka defend her title?' When what the writer means is 'successfully defend' or 'retain'..,,if Sabalenka so much as steps on the court, she is defending her title.
by ponchi101 Uhm.... a bit on the pedantic indeed, but you have a point.
Sort of when somebody says that somebody won a Grand Slam, meaning only one of the four. I guess by now the idiom has stuck.
by meganfernandez Some people from Racquet split off after the falling out last year and formed a newsletter called The Second Serve. Giri Nathan, their top writer and also with Defector, is one of them.
Last night, I had a watch party in Indy for the Australan Open. A woman came whose daughter is a young ESPN writer. She writes longform about all kinds of sports, and has done some tennis. Good follow - Aishwarya Kumar.
by meganfernandez Tennis player Thai-Son Kwiatkowski called out McEnroe for doing zero research on lower-ranked players - in this case, Zizou Bergs when he played Tsitsipas.
"Insane to me that time and time again J. McEnroe goes on air and just admits he has zero clue who a player is. (Today, bergs, 120 atp) just says to the world, hey guys, I’ve done zero research for my job and I’m just going to disrespect someone who’s top 150 in the world at a job."
Maybe now that players are speaking up about JMac's ignorance of modern tennis let alone the men and women who play it ESPN will get rid of him (buy out his contract?) and replace not only him but his cronies with men and women who actually follow the sport they're being paid to comment on. He's been like this for years and yet somehow remains.
I'm sure Murray would work for the BBC (JMac also works there) and would be a great commentator. Tennis Channel despite its faults does great commentary and analysis. Pay them the big bucks.
by ponchi101 Murray's mumbling tone may be an issue. Insights? Sure, he would be great. Funny? You know he can be. Understandable? Well, he IS from Scotland...
by ti-amie Isn't Kyrgios commentating? Could he be the tennis version on Stephen A?
Maybe now that players are speaking up about JMac's ignorance of modern tennis let alone the men and women who play it ESPN will get rid of him (buy out his contract?) and replace not only him but his cronies with men and women who actually follow the sport they're being paid to comment on. He's been like this for years and yet somehow remains.
I'm sure Murray would work for the BBC (JMac also works there) and would be a great commentator. Tennis Channel despite its faults does great commentary and analysis. Pay them the big bucks.
TC needs to pony up a few bucks to send a crew to tournaments. They are seriously slacking off. No one in Melbourne now. They didn't have a desk or any talent on the grounds at the US OPEN! Wertheim told me it's because ESPN blocked them - said they didn't want TC to have a presence - but it might also be because TC is cheap.
by meganfernandez
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:06 pm
Isn't Kyrgios commentating? Could he be the tennis version on Stephen A?
Yes, he is commentating on ESPN during the Aussie. What/who is Stephen A?
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:05 pm
Murray's mumbling tone may be an issue. Insights? Sure, he would be great. Funny? You know he can be. Understandable? Well, he IS from Scotland...
Maybe now that players are speaking up about JMac's ignorance of modern tennis let alone the men and women who play it ESPN will get rid of him (buy out his contract?) and replace not only him but his cronies with men and women who actually follow the sport they're being paid to comment on. He's been like this for years and yet somehow remains.
I'm sure Murray would work for the BBC (JMac also works there) and would be a great commentator. Tennis Channel despite its faults does great commentary and analysis. Pay them the big bucks.
TC needs to pony up a few bucks to send a crew to tournaments. They are seriously slacking off. No one in Melbourne now. They didn't have a desk or any talent on the grounds at the US OPEN! Wertheim told me it's because ESPN blocked them - said they didn't want TC to have a presence - but it might also be because TC is cheap.
I believe that ESPN ( JMac) would block TC. Murray could be trained to, you know, speak up and stop the mumbling.
by skatingfan
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:09 pm
Yes, he is commentating on ESPN during the Aussie. What/who is Stephen A?
I could try to explain, but I can't do him justice.
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:09 pm
Yes, he is commentating on ESPN during the Aussie. What/who is Stephen A?
I could try to explain, but I can't do him justice.
Oh, yeah, Stephen Smith. Sorry.
by jazzyg John McEnroe is the best tennis commentator out there in my opinion.
I get exhausted by the criticism of him. Should he know more about the lesser players? Of course, but here's what he does better than any commentator that ever lived--discard his preconceived notions about a match and view it for what is actually happening once it starts. A lot of people here are weak in that department, so I get that it goes unnoticed.
by meganfernandez
jazzyg wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 7:00 am
John McEnroe is the best tennis commentator out there in my opinion.
I get exhausted by the criticism of him. Should he know more about the lesser players? Of course, but here's what he does better than any commentator that ever lived--discard his preconceived notions about a match and view it for what is actually happening once it starts. A lot of people here are weak in that department, so I get that it goes unnoticed.
I like him a lot, too, but he could bother to read the cheat sheet they hand him about a player, and watch a couple clips. Takes 10 minutes.
Nice point.
by ashkor87 Nice interview of Djokovic with Somdev on the Sony network..Asked what has changed in the game since he started in it, Djokovic thought for a moment and said it is thd fact that the top 10 players are so professionally prepared, from trainers to coaches to psychologists to analytics, they travel with a team that keeps them absolutely ready for every day..I think he was also pointing out that he is not the only one! But certainly every top player is now a finely tuned machine..the gap between them and the rest can only widen....
by ponchi101 If the reason why the top players reach that status is because of the size of the entourage, that will only mean a widening gap at the top.
I am sure not every player can have a 5-member team. By Novak's logic, those players are playing at a disadvantage.
by meganfernandez I interviewed Ben for a friend's media podcast. Took place before the AO, fwiw.
by 3mlm I'm not sure this is journalism but I was on the ATP website and clicked on Hurkacz' name to pull up his page on the site and the picture on the overview page was not Hurkacz but Zverev, the same one as on the Zverev overview page.
by ashkor87 Just checked..you are right..!
by ti-amie And tennis fans drag the WTA site...
by meganfernandez
3mlm wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:01 am
I'm not sure this is journalism but I was on the ATP website and clicked on Hurkacz' name to pull up his page on the site and the picture on the overview page was not Hurkacz but Zverev, the same one as on the Zverev overview page.
I think it's fixed now... of all people to be mistaken for. Yeesh.
by ponchi101 Yes. After all, we know he is finished. I am just letting Nelslus start the "Carlitos is washed up" topic.
What a silly question.
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:27 pm
Indeed, but Boulter is mentioned all over the article. And you have to admit Boulter is a bit of eye candy.
So is Kostyuk ..I actually tried the experiment..showed the article to my wife, who knows tennis but is not a junkie like me - asked her lwhose pic that must be ..shd said Kostyuk, because she does know what Pegula looks like..
by Fastbackss Not sure if podcasts factor into journalism, but really enjoyed this episode.
He interviews a golf coach/strategist and it's interesting how much stuff translates. He spends most of time talking about "math" and making optimal decisions.
He discusses something called "scatter pattern" - and how if you hit the same shot 100 times the range it will cover - and how that needs to factor in to where your targets are https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/s ... 0651760603
Thanks! So I wasn’t the only one who was curious! Another journalist actually gave me (expletive) for this idea, thinking it was dull. But I have always wanted to know.
I have to add some info that came in later from Nicole Melichar-Martinez. She says Slams have had donation boxes in the past I’ve only been able to confirm that the U.S. Open has had shoe drops. That’s it. Takes a lot of time to track down those details and it’s infeasible to find out from other Slams.
Thanks for reading and sharing!
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by meganfernandez
skatingfan wrote:I think this happened a while ago, but this thread has really moved away from it's intended purpose.
Good, because I always hated the original intention.
We need a thread for not-terrible journalism. Or does that go in Tennis Random, Random.
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by ponchi101 I hated the fact that the original intention was there because there were so many suchc articles. Articles about Serena with pictures of Venus, or about a given player with a picture of another, improper stats, poorly researched and such.
I know you are a journalist but your articles are clearly well researched and written. But when, for example, somebody writes an article and quotes "Jimmy CONNERS", it made my head hurt.
And remember. This is not a dictatorship. You can post articles in any topic; even if it is a bit confusing at times.
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Sounds like Rafa called somebody stupid.
This is the actual statement, from within the same article:
Meanwhile, Nadal was irked by Tsitsipas ahead of his second-round match against De Minaur in Barcelona after the Greek star said he wouldn’t be surprised to see the ‘King of Clay’ reach the final of the ATP 500 event.
‘It’s stupid, let’s face it, he knows that’s not the case,’ Nadal said, according to Spanish outlet Punto de Break.
‘I suppose there is a lot of respect for what I have [done] in this tournament, but everyone knows that I am no longer a favourite to aspire to win a tournament.
Neither was Nadal irked, nor was he calling anybody stupid.
But I guess the headline draws more clicks than "Nadal calls Tsitsipas opinion stupid". -->
by ponchi101 Here's an example.
This is the article's headline:
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Sounds like Rafa called somebody stupid.
This is the actual statement, from within the same article:
Meanwhile, Nadal was irked by Tsitsipas ahead of his second-round match against De Minaur in Barcelona after the Greek star said he wouldn’t be surprised to see the ‘King of Clay’ reach the final of the ATP 500 event.
‘It’s stupid, let’s face it, he knows that’s not the case,’ Nadal said, according to Spanish outlet Punto de Break.
‘I suppose there is a lot of respect for what I have [done] in this tournament, but everyone knows that I am no longer a favourite to aspire to win a tournament.
Neither was Nadal irked, nor was he calling anybody stupid.
But I guess the headline draws more clicks than "Nadal calls Tsitsipas opinion stupid".
skatingfan wrote:I think this happened a while ago, but this thread has really moved away from it's intended purpose.
Good, because I always hated the original intention.
We need a thread for not-terrible journalism. Or does that go in Tennis Random, Random.
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This is your fault ! If you didn't write so many good articles, we could have continued the old way!
Burying this thread has been my primary career motivation.
Sorry to ruin the party. Back to trashing sloppy Yahoo Sports editors.
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:33 pm
Here's an example.
This is the article's headline:
Article.jpg
Sounds like Rafa called somebody stupid.
This is the actual statement, from within the same article:
Meanwhile, Nadal was irked by Tsitsipas ahead of his second-round match against De Minaur in Barcelona after the Greek star said he wouldn’t be surprised to see the ‘King of Clay’ reach the final of the ATP 500 event.
‘It’s stupid, let’s face it, he knows that’s not the case,’ Nadal said, according to Spanish outlet Punto de Break.
‘I suppose there is a lot of respect for what I have [done] in this tournament, but everyone knows that I am no longer a favourite to aspire to win a tournament.
Neither was Nadal irked, nor was he calling anybody stupid.
But I guess the headline draws more clicks than "Nadal calls Tsitsipas opinion stupid".
You are spot-on but that's actually a much more sophisticated criticism than what this thread usually traffics in. That's more substance editing than a silly mistake or a bot pulling the wrong photo because the metadata was wrong.
It is very clickbaity. I don't love "crashes out," either. "Nadal out of Barcelona Open, calls Tsitsipas opinion 'stupid'" would have been much better.
Burying this thread has been my primary career motivation.
Sorry to ruin the party. Back to trashing sloppy Yahoo Sports editors.
Ha! Some of your Tennis.com colleagues are pretty uninformed too..let us not name them .
Let's do, actually! I won't rat you out. I doubt anyone is uninformed, but I'm curious what gives off that impression.
I certainly think Steve Tignor doesn't understand tennis much..makes some really crazy predictions, which are always wrong. Just to grab the headline perhaps
Ha! Some of your Tennis.com colleagues are pretty uninformed too..let us not name them .
Let's do, actually! I won't rat you out. I doubt anyone is uninformed, but I'm curious what gives off that impression.
I certainly think Steve Tignor doesn't understand tennis much..makes some really crazy predictions, which are always wrong. Just to grab the headline perhaps
I don't know him personally but I believe he knows tennis very well. He's just working off different information than you are. And he doesn't strike me as provocative. I think he has integrity. Certainly has a good reputation among journalists I admire.
by ashkor87 Not questioning his integrity, only his knowledge and judgment about tennis.
by ashkor87 Next time he does it, I will post here again
No, scratch that .I just don't read any article nowadays with his name on it...
by Fastbackss
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:52 am
On a positive note, String Theory by David Foster Wallace is a marvellous book of essays on tennis..well worth your time, both in terms of insights and sheer writing..the chapter on Federer has entered tennis lore, but I personally like the one on Tracy Austin best...
Co-worker of mine is a "4 times per year" tennis watcher. He is an avid reader and knowing I like tennis lent me his copy of "a supposedly fun thing I'll never do again" by David foster Wallace.
It is a collection of essays and arguments. He directed me to the essay written about tennis player Michael Joyce. (Also reprinted in "string theory" )
He follows tennis player Michael Joyce through qualies and into the tournament. It is completely enrapturing.
Powerful writing of describing something that isn't easy (namely how they work) while interspersing anecdotes, vignettes, and thoughts about players and the machinations of the tour. Pretty much every page has 1-2 footnotes.
Was particularly enjoyable for me because it takes place in 1995 - formative years of tennis to me so the names mentioned made me giddy with memories.
Really liked the part where he articulates how he thought he could at least be on the court with pros because he played competitive tennis - and how watching a practice session up close removed that thought process.
by ashkor87 Glad you liked it..all tennis fans should read it ..
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:52 am
On a positive note, String Theory by David Foster Wallace is a marvellous book of essays on tennis..well worth your time, both in terms of insights and sheer writing..the chapter on Federer has entered tennis lore, but I personally like the one on Tracy Austin best...
Co-worker of mine is a "4 times per year" tennis watcher. He is an avid reader and knowing I like tennis lent me his copy of "a supposedly fun thing I'll never do again" by David foster Wallace.
It is a collection of essays and arguments. He directed me to the essay written about tennis player Michael Joyce. (Also reprinted in "string theory" )
He follows tennis player Michael Joyce through qualies and into the tournament. It is completely enrapturing.
Powerful writing of describing something that isn't easy (namely how they work) while interspersing anecdotes, vignettes, and thoughts about players and the machinations of the tour. Pretty much every page has 1-2 footnotes.
Was particularly enjoyable for me because it takes place in 1995 - formative years of tennis to me so the names mentioned made me giddy with memories.
Really liked the part where he articulates how he thought he could at least be on the court with pros because he played competitive tennis - and how watching a practice session up close removed that thought process.
I remember seeing a Rafa practice session up close because he was on the practice court closest to the fence where the bleacher seats are located (old US Open Practice Court layout). I thought I was seeing things and couldn't believe his racquet head speed. I totally understand the highlighted portion above.
by ashkor87 Interesting ..my first experience watching top players up close was a Davis Cup team practice..I was standing just a few feet away from the net post, which was exciting for a 12 year old .Krishnan (the elder one) hardly seemed to even take a swing but the ball travelled like it has been shot from a gun..all timing, as I realised .but it left me in shock. What happened to all the laws of physics? Newton"s first law, which I had just learned, seemed to have been held in abeyance for him.
I enjoyed the essay in Michael Joyce too..what is the life of a really good player who isn't at the top and never will be? Fascinating, and quite moving also ..
by meganfernandez
ashkor87 wrote:Not questioning his integrity, only his knowledge and judgment about tennis.
By my favorite tennis expert- who was a really fine player herself. Excellent review .made me (almost( want to see the movie. But written with the kind of insight and understanding we have come to expect from Petkovic.
By my favorite tennis expert- who was a really fine player herself. Excellent review .made me (almost( want to see the movie. But written with the kind of insight and understanding we have come to expect from Petkovic.
The movie has been getting good reviews but Petko loving it is the icing on the cake. Good for all involved.
By my favorite tennis expert- who was a really fine player herself. Excellent review .made me (almost( want to see the movie. But written with the kind of insight and understanding we have come to expect from Petkovic.
I don't want to see the movie and I didn't want to read her review ... I've heard the characters are comletely unlikeable, and it seems like it's for a younger audience. But I read Petko's review anyway and it wasn't so painful. Until she said it's better than Moneyball. She threw it all away in two word! The endings do so much work.
I was excited for King Richard, but not for Challengers. And I'm not even the biggest Williams fan or Will Smith fan. And the tennis was pretty solid, too. The actress who played Venus did an AMAZING job learning tennis in three months. Zendaya's serve in the clips I've seen is so gangly. Hard to watch. But I also marvel that she mimics those movements as well as she does.
by ponchi101 Excellent piece by Andrea.
But... Moneyball? Better than Moneyball? Which, in turn: better than Bull Durham or White men can't jump?
I'm still not watching it. Last tennis movie I saw was Match Point, and it was dreadful. So, I am staying with real tennis.
by ashkor87 I am not likely to watch it either..there are ten movies/shows ahead of this in line for me..and my wife and I can't find the time anyway...we are busy preparing for a vacation - Morocco, Spain and London...
by ponchi101 I don't think he will announce withdrawing from Rome so soon. Will give himself a few days, which he has.
So maybe just... good tennis journalism.
by ashkor87 Sinner has announced his withdrawal ..there is no error in the headline, just mismatch between headline And post
by meganfernandez
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:25 am
Sinner has announced his withdrawal ..there is no error in the headline, just mismatch between headline And post
A production error. Someone pulled the wrong Sinjury story into the Home Page hopper. Rushing produces mistakes, just like in tennis!
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:25 am
Sinner has announced his withdrawal ..there is no error in the headline, just mismatch between headline And post
A production error. Someone pulled the wrong Sinjury story into the Home Page hopper. Rushing produces mistakes, just like in tennis!
Yes, I made up Sinjury.
Then copyright it
by ti-amie
She understood. She's just too smart to fall for a "gotcha" question like that.
by ponchi101 "Because the GOAT on clay is playing what is certainly his last Rome tournament, and the GOAT is coming back from injury, and I am crushing lower opponents in matches that have all the drama of a cat napping"
Happy now?
by skatingfan
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 10:04 pm
"Because the GOAT on clay is playing what is certainly his last Rome tournament, and the GOAT is coming back from injury, and I am crushing lower opponents in matches that have all the drama of a cat napping"
Happy now?
Also, someone dropped a water bottle on Novak's head.
by ashkor87 He he..if someone had dropped a bottle on Iga's head ..
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No, beats Zhang for Rome SEMI FINALS spot.
And you can see that is straight from the ATP site.
Somebody, please, bring back proof readers. In a hurry. -->
by ponchi101 And I will be a jerk and bring this topic back to its original intention:
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No, beats Zhang for Rome SEMI FINALS spot.
And you can see that is straight from the ATP site.
Somebody, please, bring back proof readers. In a hurry.
by ti-amie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 7:29 pm
And I will be a jerk and bring this topic back to its original intention:
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No, beats Zhang for Rome SEMI FINALS spot.
And you can see that is straight from the ATP site.
Somebody, please, bring back proof readers. In a hurry.
But...but AI!
by ti-amie
Good for Iga.
Tennis is the only sport that hides reporters names.
by ponchi101 Sorry. Totally valid question, as far as I am concerned. She is good everywhere, that is true; it is not as if she had not won any other title on any other surface.
But the difference between clay and the other surfaces is notable
by ti-amie The reporter phrased the question in the negative and I think that's what ticked Iga off. If he had asked "Why are you so dominant on clay?" Instead of "Why aren't you so dominant on other surfaces?" She would've probably given a nuanced answer.
In the real world she has more wins on hard than on clay.
by ashkor87 Tignor has the score wrong in his story on the Rome finals on Tennis.com. Someone will blame the copy editr now, I am sure. But even I know the score, and I dont make a living on this.
by skatingfan
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 1:06 am
Tignor has the score wrong in his story on the Rome finals on Tennis.com. Someone will blame the copy editr now, I am sure. But even I know the score, and I dont make a living on this.
Can't blame someone who doesn't exist - that's why these errors get through - there is limited, or no editing process any more, and it's incredibly difficult to spot errors in our own writing because our brains will fix the errors as we read.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 1:06 am
Tignor has the score wrong in his story on the Rome finals on Tennis.com. Someone will blame the copy editr now, I am sure. But even I know the score, and I dont make a living on this.
Can't blame someone who doesn't exist - that's why these errors get through - there is limited, or no editing process any more, and it's incredibly difficult to spot errors in our own writing because our brains will fix the errors as we read.
My husband has me proof much of his writing. He's an editor and a writer for 40 years but I still catch simple errors every now and again. If you're self proofing your work, you can let same error go by 5 times.
by ponchi101 That's a good system
by ashkor87 I sympathize with all these defences but ..the score is the single most important thing in a report..what do I care about the rest- his opinions and commentary mean nothing. If you can't get the score right, what does it matter what else you got right?!
by ponchi101 I disagree. Remember the great match between Roger and Rafa? It was something to something, and somebody won, but the important things were the nuances of the match.
(I disagree slightly. My issue is that these news, to me, seem sloppy, because of a silly mistake.)
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 12:42 pm
I disagree. Remember the great match between Roger and Rafa? It was something to something, and somebody won, but the important things were the nuances of the match.
(I disagree slightly. My issue is that these news, to me, seem sloppy, because of a silly mistake.)
Certainly but I don't need a sports writer to tell me the nuances, especially when I don't trust his judgement anyway
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:25 am
Sinner has announced his withdrawal ..there is no error in the headline, just mismatch between headline And post
A production error. Someone pulled the wrong Sinjury story into the Home Page hopper. Rushing produces mistakes, just like in tennis!
Yes, I made up Sinjury.
Then copyright it
Creation is copywriting! You don't have to file anything, like you do for a trademark. But I'm not sure a single word can be copyrighted, or that I could claim any damages if someone else uses it. But thanks.
by meganfernandez
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 11:57 pm
The reporter phrased the question in the negative and I think that's what ticked Iga off. If he had asked "Why are you so dominant on clay?" Instead of "Why aren't you so dominant on other surfaces?" She would've probably given a nuanced answer.
In the real world she has more wins on hard than on clay.
Percentage-wise? I wonder if this is a function of more tournaments being played on hard.
by meganfernandez
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 11:57 pm
The reporter phrased the question in the negative and I think that's what ticked Iga off. If he had asked "Why are you so dominant on clay?" Instead of "Why aren't you so dominant on other surfaces?" She would've probably given a nuanced answer.
In the real world she has more wins on hard than on clay.
I might have asked it like this: "You've obviously had a lot of success on hard court, but your scorelines on clay are consistently more dominant than other surfaces. What explains your extreme dominance on clay?" This grounds the question in facts. The reporter could have even calculated her game-winning percentage on clay versus other surfaces and thrown that out there.
I wonder if the reporter speaks English as a first langauge.
I don't love having to set up the question with "You've obviously had a lot of success on hard court" - if something is obvious, why say it? And it's not insulting to ask about her dominance on clay But if it greases the wheels and sets a courteous tone, so be it.
by ponchi101 I say it is a very good question. She is quickly becoming a truly great clay courter, but her credentials on the other surfaces are not as sterling. It was also a pretty dull final so, was there anything else to ask?
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 4:12 pm
I say it is a very good question. She is quickly becoming a truly great clay courter, but her credentials on the other surfaces are not as sterling. It was also a pretty dull final so, was there anything else to ask?
It was a fair topic to explore, just a clumsy approach. I bet the person isn't a native English speaker. I wish people weren't so easily offended. That said, her hard court credentials are nearly HOF-worthy on their own - US Open, YEC, Indian Wells and Miami double.... they just aren't as good as her clay court resume. She's a victim of her own success in that way.
by skatingfan I think the timing of the question also causes an issue - it seems completely different to ask about the issue after the French Open - as in 'What adjustments do you need to make to your game to be more successful on other surfaces?'.
by meganfernandez
skatingfan wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 10:15 pm
I think the timing of the question also causes an issue - it seems completely different to ask about the issue after the French Open - as in 'What adjustments do you need to make to your game to be more successful on other surfaces?'.
Someone should have asked if she can be beaten at Roland Garros. I wonder if she feels unbeatable after a run like this and going into a Slam she has dominated. I'm guessing she doesn't think about it that way but I'd love to hear how she processes this kind of dominance.
by skatingfan The French Open website has this graphic that appears at the bottom of the singles matches called the 'Excitement rate by Infosys'. I don't know what it means, but for the men's semifinals that have Zverev/Ruud rated at 100%, and Alcaraz/Sinner at 88%, and that just feels wrong.
skatingfan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 1:44 am
The French Open website has this graphic that appears at the bottom of the singles matches called the 'Excitement rate by Infosys'. I don't know what it means, but for the men's semifinals that have Zverev/Ruud rated at 100%, and Alcaraz/Sinner at 88%, and that just feels wrong.
From the Infosys IG page: The new AI Excitement Rate feature in the Infosys Match Centre displays how exciting a match is likely to be pre-match and during the match. The rating is determined by a number of factors including the head to head record of the players, their track record at RG, and more.
So, in earlier rounds, some scores were apparently below 75%. As someone on MTF said: Nice way selling your product dumbasses. Also in tennis most times the exciting matches are not the ones you expected beforehand. The reverse also applies, with Swiatek - Potapova getting a full 100% prior to the double bagel.
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I know the French Open could not care less about the USO or, for that matter, all things American. But, sort of easy to remember that Zverev was in at least ONE previous slam final. Pandemic year, was up to sets to love, great match on an empty stadium. Should be easy, right? -->
by ponchi101 And because I am a jerk:
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I know the French Open could not care less about the USO or, for that matter, all things American. But, sort of easy to remember that Zverev was in at least ONE previous slam final. Pandemic year, was up to sets to love, great match on an empty stadium. Should be easy, right?
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I know the French Open could not care less about the USO or, for that matter, all things American. But, sort of easy to remember that Zverev was in at least ONE previous slam final. Pandemic year, was up to sets to love, great match on an empty stadium. Should be easy, right?
That’s awful! But not journalism. Great Tennis Marketing.
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by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote:And because I am a jerk:
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I know the French Open could not care less about the USO or, for that matter, all things American. But, sort of easy to remember that Zverev was in at least ONE previous slam final. Pandemic year, was up to sets to love, great match on an empty stadium. Should be easy, right?
That’s awful! But not journalism. Great Tennis Marketing.
Just an example, probably not the worst..
Article is full of fluff, says nothing much about how the match actually went, that a tennis fan can glean some insights from..I saw the match so I can confidently say this article says nothing substantial...too many like this, just words words words ..
by ti-amie
by skatingfan I'm pretty sure Alexis is aware that he is Mr. Serena Williams, and he's proud to support his wife.
by Fastbackss
skatingfan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:08 am
I'm pretty sure Alexis is aware that he is Mr. Serena Williams, and he's proud to support his wife.
Since we are in the journalism thread - I would love to read a piece about the ways he supports her.
I read one soon after she stopped playing about his quest to secure all of her cards that were produced and the collection he had already amassed.
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:15 pm
Let's do, actually! I won't rat you out. I doubt anyone is uninformed, but I'm curious what gives off that impression.
I certainly think Steve Tignor doesn't understand tennis much..makes some really crazy predictions, which are always wrong. Just to grab the headline perhaps
I don't know him personally but I believe he knows tennis very well. He's just working off different information than you are. And he doesn't strike me as provocative. I think he has integrity. Certainly has a good reputation among journalists I admire.
Am just catching up and just want to second this defense of Steve Tignor, whom I do know personally casually. I have also noted he's made some interesting predictions over the years (as have many of us...) but I think it's almost silly to question his knowledge of tennis after decades of dedicated tennis writing. He knows and understands the sport well, I just think he's bad at predictions. I don't read much tennis journalism in the last years, including his work, but I also do think he's a great writer.
skatingfan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:08 am
I'm pretty sure Alexis is aware that he is Mr. Serena Williams, and he's proud to support his wife.
Since we are in the journalism thread - I would love to read a piece about the ways he supports her.
I read one soon after she stopped playing about his quest to secure all of her cards that were produced and the collection he had already amassed.
I probably told this story on here, but during her last US Open, I saw him iin McDonald's making and waiting for a giant order - I'm pretty sure she waited in the car outside (it was a big SUV so I don't think he was alone). He was really nice to the McD's staff who worked on the order for a bit. I thought it was cool that he went himself and they didn't send a driver or an assistant/staffer out.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 12:24 am
I certainly think Steve Tignor doesn't understand tennis much..makes some really crazy predictions, which are always wrong. Just to grab the headline perhaps
I don't know him personally but I believe he knows tennis very well. He's just working off different information than you are. And he doesn't strike me as provocative. I think he has integrity. Certainly has a good reputation among journalists I admire.
Am just catching up and just want to second this defense of Steve Tignor, whom I do know personally casually. I have also noted he's made some interesting predictions over the years (as have many of us...) but I think it's almost silly to question his knowledge of tennis after decades of dedicated tennis writing. He knows and understands the sport well, I just think he's bad at predictions. I don't read much tennis journalism in the last years, including his work, but I also do think he's a great writer.
I suspect that Steve Tignor doesn't care about predictions. He seems to use predictions to highlight some lower ranked player that he thinks is under-appreciated.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 12:24 am
I certainly think Steve Tignor doesn't understand tennis much..makes some really crazy predictions, which are always wrong. Just to grab the headline perhaps
I don't know him personally but I believe he knows tennis very well. He's just working off different information than you are. And he doesn't strike me as provocative. I think he has integrity. Certainly has a good reputation among journalists I admire.
Am just catching up and just want to second this defense of Steve Tignor, whom I do know personally casually. I have also noted he's made some interesting predictions over the years (as have many of us...) but I think it's almost silly to question his knowledge of tennis after decades of dedicated tennis writing. He knows and understands the sport well, I just think he's bad at predictions. I don't read much tennis journalism in the last years, including his work, but I also do think he's a great writer.
with the exception of @meganfernandez.. I think journalists tend to be generalists (I remember football experts like Pat Summerall pontificating on tennis), so not really focused enough to know much about it. The TV commentators used to annoy the heck out of me because they would be discussing the latest NFL game instead of the tennis in front of them, etc etc.. so no, I dont think they know much. with the exception I called out, of course.
by ti-amie Of the journalists who responded I think Bodo knows the most about the sport.
by ponchi101 Bodo has a such a long history with the game that by now he has taken Bud Collins' place as the games' historian. He used to party with Borg and Gerulaitis, was able to talk to Connors, knows Lendl and Mac well.
Plus. He was the guy with some literary writing skills. His style was much more than journalism; the guy can write.
I don't know him personally but I believe he knows tennis very well. He's just working off different information than you are. And he doesn't strike me as provocative. I think he has integrity. Certainly has a good reputation among journalists I admire.
Am just catching up and just want to second this defense of Steve Tignor, whom I do know personally casually. I have also noted he's made some interesting predictions over the years (as have many of us...) but I think it's almost silly to question his knowledge of tennis after decades of dedicated tennis writing. He knows and understands the sport well, I just think he's bad at predictions. I don't read much tennis journalism in the last years, including his work, but I also do think he's a great writer.
with the exception of @meganfernandez.. I think journalists tend to be generalists (I remember football experts like Pat Summerall pontificating on tennis), so not really focused enough to know much about it. The TV commentators used to annoy the heck out of me because they would be discussing the latest NFL game instead of the tennis in front of them, etc etc.. so no, I dont think they know much. with the exception I called out, of course.
Steve is a tennis only writer as are a lot of journalists in tennis, this is very different from commentators who are either former players or generalists
an otherwise balanced and sensible article BUT Navarro lost only 3 games? clearly written by someone who doesnt understand the difference between games and matches in tennis...! Is he a tennis writer? Probably not.
but nice to recognize these young women - it is not their fault their parents are rich.
by ponchi101 Somebody should also mention this. Since the entire gist of articles like this one is that Pegula and Navarro are very rich, it has to be stressed: they are NOT Billionaires. Their parents are.
Sure, one day they will inherit those empires (with their siblings). And yes, that has been helpful. But these two women are self made, in their sports careers.
Daddy 1 and Daddy 2 didn't buy them a single WTA ranking point.
by ti-amie Of the two I prefer Pegula but as the song says "momma may have, and poppa may have, but god bless the child who's got its own..."
Neither one of them needs to be out here doing what they're doing. The same goes for Fritz.
by ti-amie
by skatingfan It's very clear that the leading commentators for ESPN - Evert, and J. McEnroe - do not do any research prior to going on air.
by jazzyg Tignor knows tennis AND has a good feel for picking winners. You can always cherry pick bad choices, but I read just about every one of his daily trio of picks during the slams and can see exactly where he is coming from. He was all over Sabalenka rebounding to be the best hard court player in the American summer, and even though he proved wrong in taking her to win the first two tournaments she played, he was right ultimately.
All opinions like this are subjective and personal, but I take him a hundred times over Bodo.
I agree Evert and McEnroe do not prepare, but no one is better at reading the early portion of a match and changing his preconceived notion than McEnroe. I love him as a commentator. Evert is terrible, although I don't mind her in the booth because I like her voice, she consistently entertains me (often unintentionally) and she's not right wing when someone with her background would be expected to be ultra conservative. Again, all subjective criteria.
by Fastbackss Oh boy, here we go again. https://awfulannouncing.com/tennis/atp- ... event.html
Interestingly the article intimates it would likely be after the Australian open...and also says that it may be men only.
by ponchi101 Let's see how their "we are asked to play too much" statements go when offered a MS1000 with a prize money sum in the $15 MM range.
This has been talked about for a few years. Now that SA is branded in both tours I don't see any obstacle to this becoming reality. How individuals like me feel about it is moot at this point.
by ashkor87 I always liked JMac as expert commentator..he knows the game, reads it well..he may not do his homework but that isn't his job as expert...he does waffle a bit but not as much as the others..Petkovic is great too, Tracy is inane and absurdly pro American ..
'experts'?! not one thinks Sinner will win, whereas to me, he is the clear favorite!
Well? What expertise did they demonstrate?
Ashkor, you do this with frequency. They showed the expertise of picking Sabalenka (most of them). And in the ATP, they picked Alcaraz, hardly an out-on-a-limb forecast.
Indeed, he was a clear favorite to you. At one moment, you gave him 90% chance of winning (in the USO topic). But you also gave Iga 65%, and she did not even make the SF's. So, your expertise is about 50%. You got the men's winner right, you missed the women's totally (you gave Aryna 25%).
When the data backs up your claim, you bring it up. But when it doesn't, let's say that you are glad to discuss other things. For example, you have been very vocal about Alexandrova being a very good player, Alicia parks winning Wimbledon and you love to predict results based on the court speed. But you have been less than accurate about Pegula (an example) and your Parks prediction is truly, at the moment, difficult to agree with.
If the expertise of somebody is immediately eliminated by one wrong prediction, not even you could survive that test.
(I did not think Sinner was going to win, not with that doping issue hanging around. Of course, I was wrong).
by ashkor87 You and I aren't paid huge money to write about tennis .these 'experts' are..
by skatingfan
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:25 am
You and I aren't paid huge money to write about tennis .these 'experts' are..
No one gets paid huge amounts of money to write about tennis.
by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:25 am
You and I aren't paid huge money to write about tennis .these 'experts' are..
Agree. They get paid, and therefore should bring forth better insight.
Predicting a match outcome is basically a 50% routine, unless you were talking picking matches involving Rafa at RG in his prime, or Roger/Novak at Wimbledon or the Aussie. What bothers me most are analysis which are cliche and routine. The famous "easy power" line, the "s/he played the big point better" and such. Those lines are simply dumb; what is the difference between "Easy power" and "Difficult power"? What kind was it that Rafa generated (I never heard anybody saying he generated easy power).
Those are the lines in which you and I would probably agree about in the sense that "the expert" brings nothing to the table.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:25 am
You and I aren't paid huge money to write about tennis .these 'experts' are..
No one gets paid huge amounts of money to write about tennis.
Depends on what you consider huge money!
The accurate wording you are looking for is, "You and I aren't paid barely any money and made to worry constantly about job security if we don't bring in enough clicks to write about tennis."
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by ponchi101 Yahoo's WTA ranking:
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by ashkor87 I thought Navarro was ahead of QZ right now...Zheng needs a out 500 points to catch her..which she may well get soon but there is no guarantee?
by skatingfan
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 3:27 am
I thought Navarro was ahead of QZ right now...Zheng needs a out 500 points to catch her..which she may well get soon but there is no guarantee?
Zheng is ahead in the rankings, and Navarro is ahead in the race.
by ashkor87 yes, my mistake, I thought the post just above was Race.
by mmmm8
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:13 pm
Yahoo's WTA ranking:
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Quote:
Playing the gentlemanly Tom Gullikson at Wimbledon 1982, McEnroe perpetrated his most iconic meltdown screaming “You cannot be serious!” when his supposed “ace” was called long, before memorably castigating officials as “the pits of the world.”
No surprise that he came through in straight sets against his demoralised opponent and a fortnight later took his first Wimbledon singles crown.
End quote.
Ah, such lovely writing. And then...
Mac won his first Wimby in 1981. (Connors took 82).
But. I agree with every word Sally Jones has said. This idea that we can all be replaced and, not only that, we must all be replaced, is despicable. And, slight error and all, I hope Mrs. Jones will NOT be replaced by some AI.
by skatingfan I just can't upset about this - the automatic line calling is better, and it streamlines the process, and makes it very clear for the players. The sport is more enjoyable to watch without the lines people, and the challenge system.
by ponchi101 I like the lines people, and the challenge system made it for some entertaining moments waiting for the replay and the final decision to be announced.
I guess to each his own
by skatingfan
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:11 pm
I like the lines people, and the challenge system made it for some entertaining moments waiting for the replay and the final decision to be announced.
I guess to each his own
I did too, but I didn't like the calls that were shown on television that were wrong but the player didn't challenge, and now I don't like the delays when a simpler system exists.
by mick1303 This bat is getting on my nerve. Is there a way to turn it off?
by ti-amie
mick1303 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 7:49 pm
This bat is getting on my nerve. Is there a way to turn it off?
Oh I like the bat!
by dryrunguy
mick1303 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 7:49 pm
This bat is getting on my nerve. Is there a way to turn it off?
mick1303 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 7:49 pm
This bat is getting on my nerve. Is there a way to turn it off?
No. Your only hope is to send it to Wuhan.
I see what you did there...
by Fastbackss Speaking of Wuhan, Ben has started his own service - this article is free and talks about the Chinese swing and the weariness of the players on said swing.
mick1303 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 7:49 pm
This bat is getting on my nerve. Is there a way to turn it off?
You can disable Java Script and then it will not work. I believe you can disable JS for this website only.
Sorry it is bugging you. But I thought it would be fun for October, and Halloween.
by ptmcmahon I was wondering why the site was acting weird for me today. I assume it's trying to load the bat and being blocked by my work.
I have enough troubles with this website at work that I just want it to work... I don't need anything fun
by ponchi101 If one more person reports issues, I will turn it off. No need to make it a nuisance for the users.
But I like it too.
by ptmcmahon For me, my work seems to try to block anything other than text on the page now because of the bat... all those embedded tweets / posts aren't loading. But my work has made this whole page a pain to use as it is (I have to relogin multiple times daily), so that's no big surprise.
by mick1303
Fastbackss wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 10:51 am
Speaking of Wuhan, Ben has started his own service - this article is free and talks about the Chinese swing and the weariness of the players on said swing.
Very disappointing that this tennis parasite is advertised here.
by skatingfan Ben's done a lot of good work in tennis journalism in a time where the number of people covering the sport is shrinking, and also he got his start with this message board.
by ponchi101 And I have said it before. This forum is NOT a safe space.
In the same fashion that I will respect your right to call somebody a tennis parasite and there is no way I would even consider a reprimand (because it is aimed at a public figure), Ben and anybody else is free here to post his opinions and pieces.
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I know nothing about swimming. But I suspect that is not Kate Douglass.
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by ponchi101 And this is NOT about Great tennis journalism
But I think it is funny.
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I know nothing about swimming. But I suspect that is not Kate Douglass.
(The AI strikes again. By now, we have to ask a legit question: Ok, it is AI. But, what is its IQ?)
by ptmcmahon Going to need to have our own AI branch for this thread!
by ti-amie
by ptmcmahon Nope he's not saying "forehand" ... yikes.
by Owendonovan The looker that John is.......
by Owendonovan Yeah, this became something, it's everywhere. As it should.
Wimbledon champion Barbora Krejcikova criticised a journalist's "unprofessional commentary" after he made a remark about her appearance on air.
During a Tennis Channel broadcast on Friday, Jon Wertheim commented on the Czech world number 13's forehead.
Krejcikova was competing at the WTA Finals in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, where she was knocked out in the semi-finals by eventual runner-up Zheng Qinwen.
Wertheim said his comments were "deeply regrettable" and that he apologised to Krejcikova.
Tennis Channel has removed him from air "indefinitely".
by mmmm8 Two paragraphs of overexplaining, three lines of apology. I know Jon's a friend of TAT but this was really ugly.
by Owendonovan He'll be heroic to the alt-right.
by mmmm8
Owendonovan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:21 am
He'll be heroic to the alt-right.
I doubt they're paying attention to him!
by JTContinental
mmmm8 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:06 am
Two paragraphs of overexplaining, three lines of apology. I know Jon's a friend of TAT but this was really ugly.
Used to be a big fan, but his luster has faded somewhat over the past few years, and now I often think he just sounds like an out of touch grandpa
by meganfernandez Jon made one unforced error in over 30 years. Most of us would, and especially if we were in the public eye. IMO, it wasn't even that bad. He's no angel but he is a good man and great journalist. I wish Barbora had said something like, "I do have a big forehead. He has a big mouth. No hard feelings." And then they could have had a nice interview on TC about the issues she mentioned in her statement, which I would love to hear more about.
"Focusing on my appearance rather than my performance" is a bit disingenuous. This wasn't during a match and he didn't focus on anything. He made a dumb joke. Some perspective.
I like Barbora a lot. Her game is gorgeous. She is also very pretty, IMO. Refreshing personality.
mmmm8 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:06 am
Two paragraphs of overexplaining, three lines of apology. I know Jon's a friend of TAT but this was really ugly.
Used to be a big fan, but his luster has faded somewhat over the past few years, and now I often think he just sounds like an out of touch grandpa
Ageism! Since when are grandpas automatically out of touch (with whom/what) or irrelevant?
mmmm8 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:06 am
Two paragraphs of overexplaining, three lines of apology. I know Jon's a friend of TAT but this was really ugly.
Used to be a big fan, but his luster has faded somewhat over the past few years, and now I often think he just sounds like an out of touch grandpa
Ageism! Since when are grandpas automatically out of touch (with whom/what) or irrelevant?
lol in reality, he's only a few years older than me. I still enjoy his commentary, but have the occasional cringe moment when reading it.
Used to be a big fan, but his luster has faded somewhat over the past few years, and now I often think he just sounds like an out of touch grandpa
Ageism! Since when are grandpas automatically out of touch (with whom/what) or irrelevant?
lol in reality, he's only a few years older than me. I still enjoy his commentary, but have the occasional cringe moment when reading it.
I can see that. I'd probably chalk it up to a lack of craft in that moment more than out of touch. He lives in NY, travels the world, has Gen Z kids... I'm sure he has some blind spots, as we all do. For me, he swings some of the most beautiful sentences in tennis. Hardly anyone writes about tennis with as much craft as he does. But it's a matter of taste. Some people might prefer Ben or Giri Nathan or Louisa Thomas or Steve Weissman. Jon is also how I found TAT 20 years ago!
I think Jon deserves a lot of respect and the benefit of the doubt. He's more than a good guy and has been graceful to others when they have messed up. He just messed up. We all mess up. The only thing he can do is apologize. He shouldn't lose his career or have to hide off-air. It won't help tennis or Barbora.
mmmm8 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:06 am
Two paragraphs of overexplaining, three lines of apology. I know Jon's a friend of TAT but this was really ugly.
Used to be a big fan, but his luster has faded somewhat over the past few years, and now I often think he just sounds like an out of touch grandpa
Ageism! Since when are grandpas automatically out of touch (with whom/what) or irrelevant?
Us grandpa's are out of touch (I am not one, but could be by age) because we hold ideas from the 1960's or 1970's. Those ideas are now seen as old fashioned and in conflict with some modern ideas and ideals.
Yes. I am out of touch. But it is because I choose to be. I am not interested nor I agree with many of today's ideas. The best point? I will die sooner than the people that say I am out of touch. And won't get to see when THEY will be out of touch.
Life is tough
(100% in jest. Except the part that I am out of touch)
by ptmcmahon
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:53 pm
I wish Barbora had said something like, "I do have a big forehead. He has a big mouth. No hard feelings." And then they could have had a nice interview on TC about the issues she mentioned in her statement, which I would love to hear more about.
I don't think Barbora should have had to say something like that, and I'm glad she didn't.
I think Jon deserves a lot of respect and the benefit of the doubt. He's more than a good guy and has been graceful to others when they have messed up. He just messed up. We all mess up. The only thing he can do is apologize. He shouldn't lose his career or have to hide off-air. It won't help tennis or Barbora.
I agree he doesn't need to lose his career over this, but i also don't think this should be taken with a shrug. What Barbora said is accurate and valid (and also she has a right to whatever reaction). His apology also was meh, especially if you consider he is a writer and lawyer.
I like Jon, I agree he's a nice guy based on what I have heard and I did meet him once briefly, along with his wife and one of those Gen Z kids as a baby. I also get that he was (supposedly) making a reference to an inside joke, and I've made, and laughed at, worse ones before, verbally... But I'm not on 60 minutes.
I think Jon deserves a lot of respect and the benefit of the doubt. He's more than a good guy and has been graceful to others when they have messed up. He just messed up. We all mess up. The only thing he can do is apologize. He shouldn't lose his career or have to hide off-air. It won't help tennis or Barbora.
I agree he doesn't need to lose his career over this, but i also don't think this should be taken with a shrug. What Barbora said is accurate and valid (and also she has a right to whatever reaction). His apology also was meh, especially if you consider he is a writer and lawyer.
I like Jon, I agree he's a nice guy based on what I have heard and I did meet him once briefly, along with his wife and one of those Gen Z kids as a baby. I also get that he was (supposedly) making a reference to an inside joke, and I've made, and laughed at, worse ones before, verbally... But I'm not on 60 minutes.
And there's some merit to the idea what people say out loud when they think others aren't listening, well, it tells you a little bit more about who they really are. This was an insulting comment. A lot of men learned long ago that they shouldn't comment on a woman's appearance. By now, Jon should know better. But I have no plans to build a crucifix for him.
One could argue I was probably guilty of something similar last week when I saw Taylor Fritz's hair.
by ashkor87 I agree Jon is a good guy..one of the few who appears to be beyond biases and preconceived notions. I once sent him a personal message commending him for it..
by mick1303 Somehow the fact that it was NOT INTENDED TO BE AIRED is getting lost. He was sure that this was an internal joke. I'm curious what will Roddick say on his podcast. Hope he will not cave in and will not remove JW.
by ashkor87 I do agree people reveal themselves most when they think it is a private conversation ...as they say, a value is what you practice when nobody is looking..
by ptmcmahon
mick1303 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:49 am
Somehow the fact that it was NOT INTENDED TO BE AIRED is getting lost. He was sure that this was an internal joke. I'm curious what will Roddick say on his podcast. Hope he will not cave in and will not remove JW.
When you are on a camera being recorded for a TV show, probably shouldn't assume that what you are saying won't be aired.
by JTContinental My husband read yesterday he is being taken off the air on TC indefinitely
by ponchi101 It was a dumb joke.
But the reaction is over the top. He is a decent person. For example, when our pools were called SUICIDE, he posted a link to them but said "the regrettably named" SP's.
It is not as if he has a history of such comments.
I wonder how many of us would survive a world of "One strike and you are out" rules. I know I would not.
by ptmcmahon Not sure I would call it a joke, dumb or otherwise. And being a decent person doesn't excuse you from your actions. I know if I made a comment like this about a co-worker it wouldn't just be shrugged off and I might have "one strike and I'm out." I wouldn't say something and then say "oops thought no one was listening."
by Fastbackss Beautiful peace about Rafa and the connection of sport with life
And, as an aspiring writer that will never make it, I roast with envy 
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