by ti-amie CENTRE COURT - 1:30PM

1. Novak Djokovic v Thanasi Kokkinakis
2. Caroline Garcia v Emma Raducanu
3. Andy Murray v John Isner

NO.1 COURT - 1:00PM

1. Jule Niemeier v Anett Kontaveit
2. Cameron Norrie v Jaume Munar
3. Maria Sakkari v Viktoriya Tomova

NO.2 COURT - 11:00AM

1. Casper Ruud v Ugo Humbert
2. Angelique Kerber v Magda Linette
3. Tallon Griekspoor v Carlos Alcaraz
4. Qiang Wang v Heather Watson

NO.3 COURT - 11:00AM

1. Ryan Peniston v Steve Johnson
2. Yanina Wickmayer v Jelena Ostapenko
3. Jannik Sinner v Mikael Ymer
4. Katarzyna Kawa v Ons Jabeur

COURT 12 - 11:00AM

1. Anhelina Kalinina v Lesia Tsurenko
2. Tommy Paul v Adrian Mannarino
3. Panna Udvardy v Elise Mertens
4. Tim Van Rijthoven v Reilly Opelka

COURT 18 - 11:00AM

1. Frances Tiafoe v Maximilian Marterer
2. Tatjana Maria v Sorana Cirstea
3. Maja Chwalinska v Alison Riske-Amritraj
4. Rajeev Ram / Joe Salisbury v Daniel Altmaier / Carlos Taberner

COURT 4 - 11:00AM

1. Elixane Lechemia / Nuria Parrizas Diaz v Barbora Krejcikova / Katerina Siniakova
2. Benoit Paire / Albert Ramos-Vinolas v Nikola Mektic / Mate Pavic
3. Wesley Koolhof / Neal Skupski v Facundo Bagnis / Diego Schwartzman
4. Rosalie Van Der Hoek / Alison Van Uytvanck v Maryna Zanevska / Kimberley Zimmermann

COURT 5 - 11:00AM

1. Pedro Martinez / John-Patrick Smith v Andrey Golubev / Denys Molchanov
2. Aleksandr Nedovyesov / Aisam-Ul-Haq Qureshi v James Duckworth / Marcos Giron
Not Before: 2:30pm
3. Tamara Korpatsch / Harmony Tan v Nadiia Kichenok / Raluca Olaru
4. Marta Kostyuk / Tereza Martincova v Madison Brengle / Lauren Davis

COURT 6 - 11:00AM

1. Kaia Kanepi / Renata Voracova v Alicia Barnett / Olivia Nicholls
2. Viktorija Golubic / Camila Osorio v Sonay Kartal / Nell Miller
3. Joao Sousa / Jordan Thompson v Matwe Middelkoop / Luke Saville
4. Maxime Cressy / Feliciano Lopez v Lukasz Kubot / Szymon Walkow

COURT 7 - 11:00AM

1. Hans Hach Verdugo / Philipp Oswald v Roman Jebavy / Hunter Reese
2. Yifan Xu / Zhaoxuan Yang v Lucia Bronzetti / Julia Lohoff
3. Shuko Aoyama / Hao-Ching Chan v Xiyu Wang / Qinwen Zheng
4. Nicolas Mahut / Edouard Roger-Vasselin v Francisco Cerundolo / Tomas Martin Etcheverry

COURT 8 - 11:00AM

1. Santiago Gonzalez / Andres Molteni v Julian Cash / Henry Patten
Not Before: 1:00pm
2. Jasmine Paolini / Martina Trevisan v Naiktha Bains / Maia Lumsden
3. Clara Burel / Chloe Paquet v Xinyun Han / Lin Zhu
4. Mackenzie McDonald / Botic Van De Zandschulp v John Peers / Filip Polasek

COURT 9 - 11:00AM

1. Daria Saville / Ajla Tomljanovic v Viktoria Kuzmova / Arantxa Rus
2. Irina Bara / Ekaterine Gorgodze v Danielle Collins / Desirae Krawczyk
3. Denis Kudla / Jack Sock v Marcelo Arevalo / Jean-Julien Rojer
4. Lloyd Glasspool / Harri Heliovaara v Hugo Gaston / Lorenzo Musetti

COURT 10 - 11:00AM

1. Sadio Doumbia / Fabien Reboul v Kevin Krawietz / Andreas Mies
Not Before: 1:00pm
2. Liam Broady / Jay Clarke v Rafael Matos / David Vega Hernandez
3. Alastair Gray / Ryan Peniston v Joran Vliegen / Jackson Withrow

COURT 11 - 11:00AM

1. Fabrice Martin / Hugo Nys v Maximo Gonzalez / Nathaniel Lammons
2. Ariel Behar / Gonzalo Escobar v Arthur Fery / Felix Gill
3. Monica Niculescu / Elena-Gabriela Ruse v Kirsten Flipkens / Sara Sorribes Tormo
4. Anett Kontaveit / Shelby Rogers v Vivian Heisen / Samantha Murray Sharan

COURT 14 - 11:00AM

1. David Goffin v Sebastian Baez
2. Alexander Bublik v Dusan Lajovic
3. Diane Parry v Mai Hontama
4. Lucie Hradecka / Sania Mirza v Magdalena Frech / Beatriz Haddad Maia

COURT 15 - 11:00AM

1. Alejandro Tabilo v Miomir Kecmanovic
2. Marie Bouzkova v Ann Li
3. Elisabetta Cocciaretto v Irina-Camelia Begu
4. Jamie Murray / Bruno Soares v Benjamin Bonzi / Arthur Rinderknech

COURT 16 - 11:00AM

1. Jodie Burrage / Eden Silva v Arianne Hartono / Demi Schuurs
2. Oscar Otte v Christian Harrison
3. Nikoloz Basilashvili v Quentin Halys
4. Sarah Beth Grey / Yuriko Miyazaki v Asia Muhammad / Ena Shibahara

COURT 17 - 11:00AM

1. Shuai Zhang v Marta Kostyuk
2. Jiri Vesely v Alejandro Davidovich Fokina
3. Dalma Galfi v Kaja Juvan
4. Aljaz Bedene / Soonwoo Kwon v Thanasi Kokkinakis / Nick Kyrgios

The Committee, while adhering as closely as possible to the order of play given, is unable to guarantee that it will be maintained in its entirety.
This may result in matches being moved from one court to another. GERRY ARMSTRONG - REFEREE

by mmmm8 Peniston is playing Johnson tomorrow. Hope it's a hard and sweaty affair and may the biggest man finish as the wiener.

by Deuce
mmmm8 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:49 am Peniston is playing Johnson tomorrow. Hope it's a hard and sweaty affair and may the biggest man finish as the wiener.
May he who has the best strokes win.
Maybe one of them will go deep in the tournament - but that'll be hard.
If one of them does win the tournament, though, he'll automatically become a member...

by Deuce I think this is where Emma’s tournament ends...

Murray vs. Isner should be somewhat interesting, given where both of them are in their careers presently...

Kontaveit might have some difficulty with Niemeier, but should get through it...

Linette could be trouble for Kerber...

by ponchi101 Kontaveit just got her entire game cleaned by Niemeier. 4 & 0. One has to wonder what happened there.

by JazzNU
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:13 pm Kontaveit just got her entire game cleaned by Niemeier. 4 & 0. One has to wonder what happened there.
Jule is one I've been keeping my eye on to rise in the rankings, so I wasn't that surprised by this. But, I don't think Anett is all that dialed in at the moment, she's not injured to my knowledge, but has played a very light schedule through the Spring.

by meganfernandez
JazzNU wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:46 pm
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:13 pm Kontaveit just got her entire game cleaned by Niemeier. 4 & 0. One has to wonder what happened there.
Julie is one I've been keeping my eye on to rise in the rankings, so I wasn't that surprised by this. But, I don't think Anett is all that dialed in at the moment, she's not injured to my knowledge, but has played a very light schedule through the Spring.
Anett mentioned that she was struggling with lingering Covid stuff as recently as last month. If she can't train or completee like usual, it's going to hurt her confidence. Good eye on Jule. Her section of the draw is really soft, too - Bencic and Haddad Maia out.

by JazzNU Sebastian Grosjean and Paul-Henri Mathieu in the coaching box for Humbert along with I assume his main coaches. Maybe grass court consultants? Grosjean was fantastic on grass.

by ponchi101 Anybody knows what happened to Christian Harrison? Retired down 1-3 in the first. Please, not another fall.

by ponchi101 Ruud out, to nobody's surprise. At least not mine.

by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:23 pm Anybody knows what happened to Christian Harrison? Retired down 1-3 in the first. Please, not another fall.
No help here... but I just now figured out that Christian Harrison and Catherine Harrison (both in their main draws) are two different people.

Don't lie, you're hoping for a slip-and-fall to advance your theory. :)

by jazzyg Ostapenko had 45 winners to Wickmayer's 6 today.

by Suliso Muguruza destroyed by Minnen. Not particularly surprised about the outcome, only about the scoreline (6-4, 6-0)

by ponchi101
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:36 pm
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:23 pm Anybody knows what happened to Christian Harrison? Retired down 1-3 in the first. Please, not another fall.
No help here... but I just now figured out that Christian Harrison and Catherine Harrison (both in their main draws) are two different people.

Don't lie, you're hoping for a slip-and-fall to advance your theory. :)
Seriously, I don't like it. My idea started from the three big players that have been out of competition for long, after grass-court injuries. Roger, Serena and Delpo. And I do like grass court tennis, a lot, but this slowing down of the courts is the one thing that I don't like. And, if on top of playing a slower kind of tennis, the new surface mix (100% rye grass) leads to more injuries, I feel it is a losing proposition for everybody.

I found out that Harrison were actually TWO players, one each draw, because my YCWJ scoresheet told me. Then I looked up C. Harrison, and found two. So I had to rename them both. Pretty confusing.

by ponchi101
Suliso wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:01 pm Muguruza destroyed by Minnen. Not particularly surprised about the outcome, only about the scoreline (6-4, 6-0)
Same score as Kontaveit. I have to start wondering if Mugu is really done, not for the year, but as a career.

by jazzyg Saw a great interview with Catherine Harrison on one of the DirecTV channels yesterday.

She was an alternate into qualifying and did not even know she would get in. Earlier this year she wss the top alternate who did not get into qualifying at the Aussie Open. She almost had to quit tennis during the COVID year when tournaments shut down, and that was the only year her ranking would have been high enough for direct entry into qualifying for slams.

She attended UCLA for four years and graduated. Winning her first round was a career-changing moment because of the money, and it came after she let a 5-2 second-set lead with a match point dissolve into a 6-5 deficit in the last round of qualifying. She said finishing off that match in a tiebreak was the most pressure she ever felt.

by meganfernandez
jazzyg wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:08 pm Saw a great interview with Catherine Harrison on one of the DirecTV channels yesterday.

She was an alternate into qualifying and did not even know she would get in. Earlier this year she wss the top alternate who did not get into qualifying at the Aussie Open. She almost had to quit tennis during the COVID year when tournaments shut down, and that was the only year her ranking would have been high enough for direct entry into qualifying for slams.

She attended UCLA for four years and graduated. Winning her first round was a career-changing moment because of the money, and it came after she let a 5-2 second-set lead with a match point dissolve into a 6-5 deficit in the last round of qualifying. She said finishing off that match in a tiebreak was the most pressure she ever felt.
Wow, what a story. I feel like there are so many stories like this in tennis and we don't hear them. Only so many reporters getting so many leads.

Also, drama! How ironic would it be if Wimbledon allowed late substitutions and Serena could step in and play with Korpatsch? :D


by ponchi101 Monica Puig just made an excellent point about Raducanu's points to defend. I guess we forgot this: not only she is defending 2000 points at the USO, she is defending more because she earned points from the qualifying. Talk about a pressure position.

by Cuckoo4Coco
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:13 pm
jazzyg wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:08 pm Saw a great interview with Catherine Harrison on one of the DirecTV channels yesterday.

She was an alternate into qualifying and did not even know she would get in. Earlier this year she wss the top alternate who did not get into qualifying at the Aussie Open. She almost had to quit tennis during the COVID year when tournaments shut down, and that was the only year her ranking would have been high enough for direct entry into qualifying for slams.

She attended UCLA for four years and graduated. Winning her first round was a career-changing moment because of the money, and it came after she let a 5-2 second-set lead with a match point dissolve into a 6-5 deficit in the last round of qualifying. She said finishing off that match in a tiebreak was the most pressure she ever felt.
Wow, what a story. I feel like there are so many stories like this in tennis and we don't hear them. Only so many reporters getting so many leads.

Also, drama! How ironic would it be if Wimbledon allowed late substitutions and Serena could step in and play with Korpatsch? :D

It doesn't seem fair. I know that Tan played a tough long match the day before and she is saying she has a thigh injury but I know that thigh injury is not going to keep her out of her singles match tomorrow.

Her doubles partner is now done without even playing a single doubles match at all. Don't seem at all fair to her.

by ponchi101 More about Mugu. The second set was, of course, 6-0. But it lasted 19 minutes. There has got to be something wrong with her, and she is not telling.

by meganfernandez
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:19 pm Also, drama! How ironic would it be if Wimbledon allowed late substitutions and Serena could step in and play with Korpatsch? :D

It doesn't seem fair. I know that Tan played a tough long match the day before and she is saying she has a thigh injury but I know that thigh injury is not going to keep her out of her singles match tomorrow.

Her doubles partner is now done without even playing a single doubles match at all. Don't seem at all fair to her.
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It's unfortunate for sure. They know this is the risk. Korpatsch has to ask herself if she would do the same thing in the situation. I wish tournaments could let a player find another partner if theirs pulls out before they play their R1 match. Maybe Tan should give Korpatsch $5,000 of her R2 prize money for the inconvenience. Well, we can safely say these two won't partner together anymore!

by Cuckoo4Coco
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:23 pm
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:19 pm Also, drama! How ironic would it be if Wimbledon allowed late substitutions and Serena could step in and play with Korpatsch? :D

It doesn't seem fair. I know that Tan played a tough long match the day before and she is saying she has a thigh injury but I know that thigh injury is not going to keep her out of her singles match tomorrow.

Her doubles partner is now done without even playing a single doubles match at all. Don't seem at all fair to her.
It's unfortunate for sure. They know this is the risk. Korpatsch has to ask herself if she would do the same thing in the situation. I wish tournaments could let a player find another partner if theirs pulls out before they play their R1 match. Maybe Tan should give Korpatsch $5,000 of her R2 prize money for the inconvenience. Well, we can safely say these two won't partner together anymore!
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That would be nice if Tan would do that. It would lend some Harmony to the whole situation. :lol:

I am heading out to the courts to practice now.

by JazzNU
Suliso wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:01 pm Muguruza destroyed by Minnen. Not particularly surprised about the outcome, only about the scoreline (6-4, 6-0)
Don't think the outcome would've been different this time around, but the score would've been had they kept playing yesterday. There have been several held over matches that didn't have the same energy they did as the first day now.

Long past time to add lights to these courts and let them finish out most of these end of day matches the day that they begin.

by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:21 pm More about Mugu. The second set was, of course, 6-0. But it lasted 19 minutes. There has got to be something wrong with her, and she is not telling.
Physically, maybe - long Covid, something else, who knows. You don't think it's just lack of motivation? I never hear good explanations, either. Maybe the Spanish press has some, but I never hear them.

by JazzNU
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:15 pm Monica Puig just made an excellent point about Raducanu's points to defend. I guess we forgot this: not only she is defending 2000 points at the USO, she is defending more because she earned points from the qualifying. Talk about a pressure position.
Listening to Brits call Emma's match is interesting. Today's team is much, much better and more reasonable than her first match at least, but interesting nonetheless.

by JazzNU Caroline Garcia played a great match. It's really nice to see her return to form, truly seems to be about finally dumping the weight from all that baggage she was carrying around. Hopefully Camila Giorgi is the next in line getting rid of hers.

by ponchi101
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:32 pm
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:21 pm More about Mugu. The second set was, of course, 6-0. But it lasted 19 minutes. There has got to be something wrong with her, and she is not telling.
Physically, maybe - long Covid, something else, who knows. You don't think it's just lack of motivation? I never hear good explanations, either. Maybe the Spanish press has some, but I never hear them.
I don't think it is lack of motivation because the handshake at the net showed a face that was really upset about the result. And I know she has traditionally gone into a bit of a funk after her big wins (Guadalajara last year) but this is not a little, this has been a lot.
I hope there is an explanation, not that she has forgotten how to play this game.

by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:52 pm
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:32 pm
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:21 pm More about Mugu. The second set was, of course, 6-0. But it lasted 19 minutes. There has got to be something wrong with her, and she is not telling.
Physically, maybe - long Covid, something else, who knows. You don't think it's just lack of motivation? I never hear good explanations, either. Maybe the Spanish press has some, but I never hear them.
I don't think it is lack of motivation because the handshake at the net showed a face that was really upset about the result. And I know she has traditionally gone into a bit of a funk after her big wins (Guadalajara last year) but this is not a little, this has been a lot.
I hope there is an explanation, not that she has forgotten how to play this game.
I'm afraid we'll never know. Mystifying. But sounds like she's in the perfect career low from which to win another surprise major. :)

by Cuckoo4Coco Hey Tommy Paul won!!!!!! :yahoo: :freaking: :bananas:

On a sad note though Emma lost. :(

by ti-amie
Suliso wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:01 pm Muguruza destroyed by Minnen. Not particularly surprised about the outcome, only about the scoreline (6-4, 6-0)


I think she needs a break to sort out whatever is going on in her life.

by ti-amie Carlitos just won the second set TB vs Griekspoor 7-6(0) to go up two sets to love.

by ponchi101 Yes. About Mugu crying on court: that says it is not a lack of motivation. Nobody that is not motivated cries on court.
But, it can be that she simply has lost her strokes. It has happened in the past. (Not her, other players).

by JazzNU I find Korpatsch's approach to be very tacky. Don't see good reasoning for putting Harmony on blast like that publicly and she's the one who is looking petty and unprofessional. I'd beg to differ on her claim that she doesn't hate her partner. You don't do this to someone you like, especially the morning after the biggest moment in her career.

by Suliso What's the story there?

by Cuckoo4Coco
JazzNU wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:07 pm I find Korpatsch's approach to be very tacky. Don't see good reasoning for putting Harmony on blast like that publicly and she's the one who is looking petty and unprofessional. I'd beg to differ on her claim that she doesn't hate her partner. You don't do this to someone you like, especially the morning after the biggest moment in her career.
I agree with you that she should have left this out of the whole public scene and just talked it over how she felt with Harmony. I don't think she hates her doubles partner at all. I think she just wanted to play a match.

by JTContinental Davidovich Fokina got a point penalty for ball abuse on match point in a 5th set tiebreak. What a way to go out after all that work

by JazzNU
JTContinental wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:17 pm Davidovich Fokina got a point penalty for ball abuse on match point in a 5th set tiebreak. What a way to go out after all that work
Carlos Ramos strikes again. Ridiculous.

by Cuckoo4Coco
JTContinental wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:17 pm Davidovich Fokina got a point penalty for ball abuse on match point in a 5th set tiebreak. What a way to go out after all that work
Not the brightest tennis ball in the can. :lol:

by JTContinental
JazzNU wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:19 pm
JTContinental wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:17 pm Davidovich Fokina got a point penalty for ball abuse on match point in a 5th set tiebreak. What a way to go out after all that work
Carlos Ramos strikes again. Ridiculous.
He does love to insert himself in matches. To be fair ADF gave that ball a good whack into the stands

by nelslus
JTContinental wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:17 pm Davidovich Fokina got a point penalty for ball abuse on match point in a 5th set tiebreak. What a way to go out after all that work
AND I believe this call came from one of Serena's favorite umpires, Carlos Ramos. :o

by ponchi101 So Ramos enforced a rule on match point? And he is the bad guy? :roll:

by JazzNU
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:13 pm
JazzNU wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:07 pm I find Korpatsch's approach to be very tacky. Don't see good reasoning for putting Harmony on blast like that publicly and she's the one who is looking petty and unprofessional. I'd beg to differ on her claim that she doesn't hate her partner. You don't do this to someone you like, especially the morning after the biggest moment in her career.
I agree with you that she should have left this out of the whole public scene and just talked it over how she felt with Harmony. I don't think she hates her doubles partner at all. I think she just wanted to play a match.
I definitely think she wanted to play a match. But in the moment she posted? I feel like she had to have hated her. She was attempting to garner sympathy I assume, but also to set social media to go attack mode on her. I can't imagine doing that to someone you don't hate. I think the later statement was an attempt to walk it back because she probably doesn't actively hate her, but the damage had been done.

by nelslus LOL, I apparently chimed in late with this discussion. :)

by Cuckoo4Coco
JazzNU wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:26 pm
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:13 pm
JazzNU wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:07 pm I find Korpatsch's approach to be very tacky. Don't see good reasoning for putting Harmony on blast like that publicly and she's the one who is looking petty and unprofessional. I'd beg to differ on her claim that she doesn't hate her partner. You don't do this to someone you like, especially the morning after the biggest moment in her career.
I agree with you that she should have left this out of the whole public scene and just talked it over how she felt with Harmony. I don't think she hates her doubles partner at all. I think she just wanted to play a match.
I definitely think she wanted to play a match. But in the moment she posted? I feel like she had to have hated her. She was attempting to garner sympathy I assume, but also to set social media to go attack mode on her. I can't imagine doing that to someone you don't hate. I think the later statement was an attempt to walk it back because she probably doesn't actively hate her, but the damage had been done.
I guess in the heat of the moment she was pissed that she lost the chance to play a match she wanted to and did something I think she ended up regretting in writing out her feelings on social media. I don't know if that actually means she hated her doubles partner. I think at that moment she was pissed at the decision her partner made in withdrawing from the match but not really hating her.

by nelslus ....I also wish to announce that, in the Nelslus/Baby Nelslus household, Alejandro Davidovich Fokina is known as actress Lolita Davidovich. :gorgeous:

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by meganfernandez
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:12 pm Hey Tommy Paul won!!!!!! :yahoo: :freaking: :bananas:

On a sad note though Emma lost. :(
:) See, we know what we're doing!

by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:26 pm So Ramos enforced a rule on match point? And he is the bad guy? :roll:
Yeah that rule is probably black and white. The umpire owes it to the opponent to enforce it. He has to. Not his fault ADF broke a rule.

by ti-amie Tan deprived Korpatsch of what for her was probably a big pay day. If Tan was going to withdraw she could've done it so Korpatsch had time to find a new partner. Withdrawing via text one hour before the match was set to start was tacky. I'd be pissed off too.

by Cuckoo4Coco
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:39 pm
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:12 pm Hey Tommy Paul won!!!!!! :yahoo: :freaking: :bananas:

On a sad note though Emma lost. :(
:) See, we know what we're doing!
:lol: I think you were right when you said the men's side is a bit easier than the ladies side. I lost with Serena yesterday but if I would have won I would have picked Mertens today and she is struggling badly. It also looks like a ton of members picked Mertens.

by Suliso It seems like that right now, but I bet <10 players will last to QF's in either draw.

by meganfernandez
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:45 pm
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:39 pm
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:12 pm Hey Tommy Paul won!!!!!! :yahoo: :freaking: :bananas:

On a sad note though Emma lost. :(
:) See, we know what we're doing!
:lol: I think you were right when you said the men's side is a bit easier than the ladies side. I lost with Serena yesterday but if I would have won I would have picked Mertens today and she is struggling badly. It also looks like a ton of members picked Mertens.
That's what we call a "bandwagon" in an SP. I wanted to avoid the Mertens bandwagon. I almost picked her, too. I like to take some calculated risks in SPs, kind of like how I play tennis. :) some of them are just bad decisions, like today picking Kalinina when I knew nothing about her, just that she was seeded and her opponent (who I know is a veteran) isn't.

by Cuckoo4Coco
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:54 pm
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:45 pm
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:39 pm

:) See, we know what we're doing!
:lol: I think you were right when you said the men's side is a bit easier than the ladies side. I lost with Serena yesterday but if I would have won I would have picked Mertens today and she is struggling badly. It also looks like a ton of members picked Mertens.
That's what we call a "bandwagon" in an SP. I wanted to avoid the Mertens bandwagon. I almost picked her, too. I like to take some calculated risks in SPs, kind of like how I play tennis. :) some of them are just bad decisions, like today picking Kalinina when I knew nothing about her, just that she was seeded and her opponent (who I know is a veteran) isn't.
I think my pick for Day 4 on the men's side is going to be one that will not be bandwagoned. A player I know pretty much nothing about in Van De Zandsculp.

by ti-amie Mertens is another player who seems to have suddenly lost her mojo.

by JazzNU
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:26 pm So Ramos enforced a rule on match point? And he is the bad guy? :roll:
Yes. There is such a thing as discretion, which every chair employs on various occasions in the course of the match. Calling a penalty on match point should be reserved for the most egregious of egregious acts and this was nowhere close to that, it was something that would've been ignored had it not been called. It was truly nothing.

by ti-amie
JazzNU wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:01 pm
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:26 pm So Ramos enforced a rule on match point? And he is the bad guy? :roll:
Yes. There is such a thing as discretion, which every chair employs on various occasions in the course of the match. Calling a penalty on match point should be reserved for the most egregious of egregious acts and this was nowhere close to that, it was something that would've been ignored had it not been called. It was truly nothing.
It's Carlos Ramos. It's how he rolls.

by ponchi101 No. The rule does not say "it is up to the discretion of the Chair Umpire to decide when to enforce this or any other rule".
Because if that is the case, then all rules are discretionary. And therefore, they are not rules.

by meganfernandez
Cuckoo4Coco wrote:
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:54 pm
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:45 pm
:lol: I think you were right when you said the men's side is a bit easier than the ladies side. I lost with Serena yesterday but if I would have won I would have picked Mertens today and she is struggling badly. It also looks like a ton of members picked Mertens.
That's what we call a "bandwagon" in an SP. I wanted to avoid the Mertens bandwagon. I almost picked her, too. I like to take some calculated risks in SPs, kind of like how I play tennis. :) some of them are just bad decisions, like today picking Kalinina when I knew nothing about her, just that she was seeded and her opponent (who I know is a veteran) isn't.
I think my pick for Day 4 on the men's side is going to be one that will not be bandwagoned. A player I know pretty much nothing about in Van De Zandsculp.
Well, you are talking to a big Botic fan. :) not bad because he is in Nadal’s section so you want to use him before R4. But I’m concerned about his opponent, a very big server. I’d like Botic’s chance in the next round better, against McDonald or Gasquet.


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by Cuckoo4Coco
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:10 pm
Cuckoo4Coco wrote:
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:54 pm

That's what we call a "bandwagon" in an SP. I wanted to avoid the Mertens bandwagon. I almost picked her, too. I like to take some calculated risks in SPs, kind of like how I play tennis. :) some of them are just bad decisions, like today picking Kalinina when I knew nothing about her, just that she was seeded and her opponent (who I know is a veteran) isn't.
I think my pick for Day 4 on the men's side is going to be one that will not be bandwagoned. A player I know pretty much nothing about in Van De Zandsculp.
Well, you are talking to a big Botic fan. :) not bad because he is in Nadal’s section so you want to use him before R4. But I’m concerned about his opponent, a very big server. I’d like Botox’s chance in the next round better, against McDonald or Gasquet.


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I always go with my first gut feeling.

Mertens has evened up the match at 1 set a piece and play is suspended until tomorrow.

by JazzNU
ti-amie wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:42 pm Tan deprived Korpatsch of what for her was probably a big pay day. If Tan was going to withdraw she could've done it so Korpatsch had time to find a new partner. Withdrawing via text one hour before the match was set to start was tacky. I'd be pissed off too.
She can be pissed off. I'd be pissed off. But going public with it and trying to get the internet to go after a player is another thing entirely and she's not young enough to claim she didn't know what she was doing. It worked, people have turned on Tan, but it also backfired on her spectacularly.

by JazzNU
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:08 pm No. The rule does not say "it is up to the discretion of the Chair Umpire to decide when to enforce this or any other rule".
Because if that is the case, then all rules are discretionary. And therefore, they are not rules.
Oh please. What match have you watched where discretion hasn't been employed by the chair? It's 30 seconds for a serve and they get to set when the clock starts, sometimes it's quick, sometimes much longer. Clock goes over, no warning issued. I hear F-bombs all the time in matches, including every day this week. Was a warning or penalty issued? Not one.

by meganfernandez
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:12 pm
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:10 pm
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: I think my pick for Day 4 on the men's side is going to be one that will not be bandwagoned. A player I know pretty much nothing about in Van De Zandsculp.
Well, you are talking to a big Botic fan. :) not bad because he is in Nadal’s section so you want to use him before R4. But I’m concerned about his opponent, a very big server. I’d like Botox’s chance in the next round better, against McDonald or Gasquet.


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I always go with my first gut feeling.

Mertens has evened up the match at 1 set a piece and play is suspended until tomorrow.
I might be wrong about Ruusuvuori's serve anyway. I assumed he has a big serve because he's tall, but he's not on the ATP leaderboard in % of serves unreturned. Could be a very solid pick.

by ponchi101 Oh, yes, please. And when they do not enforce the rules, I believe it is not good. Rafa and Novak should have their time violations enforced, in the first set and in the 5th set TB. F-bombs should be enforced, regardless of score or moment in the match. So, by that logic, let's go back to the 70's when ALL rules were discretionary by the chair umpire. Let's see how long before the players ask for rules in writing again.

by nelslus
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:12 pmMertens has evened up the match at 1 set a piece and play is suspended until tomorrow.
Mertens (boringly) saved two match points, BTW.

by JTContinental Isner has 90 aces over 2 matches

by meganfernandez One thing I Iike about Isner - this speech he's giving after beating Murray. "I'm not a better tennis player than Andy Murray. I maybe just played a little better today...." Thanked the crowd for being respectful. Said Murray is a huge inspiration around the locker room and everyone's so lucky he's still playing.

Interviewer: How did you stay strong after losing the third set?
Isner: I served.

by mmmm8
Suliso wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:47 pm It seems like that right now, but I bet <10 players will last to QF's in either draw.
I bet it'll be around 8

by mmmm8
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:27 pm One thing Iike about Isner - this speech he's giving after beating Murray. "I'm not a better tennis player than Andy Murray. I maybe just played a little better today...." thanked the crowd for being respectful.

Interviewer: How did you stay strong after losing the third set?
Isner: I served.
He is personable and quite likeable until you learn about his political leanings and stuff he stands for, and, at his age and exposure to the world, you can no longer blame it on culture/upbringing.

by nelslus *My take on Korpatsch- she has every right to be furious. But, I also agree that folks need to stop using social media for grievances. There are FAR too many evil, creepy, negative and scary people out there- stating the obvious, most definitely concerning women and people of color.

*As much as this shames me :shock: - I have to go Team Ponchi here. Discretion is where I will always think that Carlos shafted Serena big-time. IMO, not here. Rules are rules, even when, horribly, it happens on a match point down.

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by meganfernandez
nelslus wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:32 pm *My take on Korpatsch- she has every right to be furious. But, I also agree that folks need to stop using social media for grievances. There are FAR too many evil, creepy, negative and scary people out there- stating the obvious, most definitely concerning women and people of color.

*As much as this shames me :shock: - I have to go Team Ponchi here. Discretion is where I will always think that Carlos shafted Serena big-time. IMO, not here. Rules are rules, even when, horribly, it happens on a match point down.
Whenever there's an unfortunate rule enforcement, people seem to forget there's another player to consider - in this case, Vesely. Both players deserve for rules to be enforced throughout a match. It would have been even more unfair - to Vesely - if a clear-cut rule hadn't been enforced on a critical point. I feel for ADF, but it was the right call.

Pretty immature of Korpatsch and I hope they Korpatsch things up.
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by JazzNU I'll be anxiously awaiting all the posts from you guys about your favorite players needing to be warned and penalized for their various breaking of the rules when it occurs in the name of fairness now.

by jazzyg Weighing in a on a variety of topics:

After putting in my two cents on the Paul pick yesterday, I ended up watching quite a bit of his match with Mannarino, and he was brilliant. Mannarino played well for the first two sets, but Paul's forehand was massive and he simply never missed. I definitely was wrong in considering that match a tough one. It will be interesting to see how he does against a guy with weapons like Vesely (who often plays better at Wimbledon than anywhere else), but he will be in with a chance against almost anyone if he keeps this level.

I understand Korpasch's anger at the moment, but attacking someone on social media always is a bad look.

Isner had one of his rare terrific matches today, like the time he beat Federer in Switzerland on clay in Davis Cup. Murray's lack of finishing ability helped him, but Isner volleyed and hit his groundstrokes as well as I've ever seen him on grass. The stat of the year, by the way, was his having been 1 for 41 in his career on break points against Murray until today, when he broke him twice in three chances.

It stinks for Davidovich Fokina to go out that way, but he probably was going to lose anyway. He had to win his point on serve and then win a point on Vesely's serve to pull even, which was unlikely. I would not have given DF a point penalty, but I see both sides of the issue.

I would advise against picking Van De Zandschulp. Ruusovori beat him on grass last month in their only career meeting. I still think Van De Zandschulp will win the rematch, but not enough to use him in a suicide pool.

Megan and I have the same men's pick tomorrow. It's a bit of a risk, but in my case, I'm not picking anyone from the second section because I am saving all of those guys to beat whoever wins the top of the four sections on that half of the draw.

I will be irritated if Mertens wins tomorrow after saving the two match points today on her opponent's serve at 40-15 and then being tied at 5 in the tiebreak. Only 33 people would be left in the women's suicide pool if she loses.

by Deuce
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:15 pm Monica Puig just made an excellent point about Raducanu's points to defend. I guess we forgot this: not only she is defending 2000 points at the USO, she is defending more because she earned points from the qualifying. Talk about a pressure position.
^ She got a decent number of points from Wimbledon last year, as well, I believe...
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:19 pm
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:13 pm
Also, drama! How ironic would it be if Wimbledon allowed late substitutions and Serena could step in and play with Korpatsch? :D

It doesn't seem fair. I know that Tan played a tough long match the day before and she is saying she has a thigh injury but I know that thigh injury is not going to keep her out of her singles match tomorrow.

Her doubles partner is now done without even playing a single doubles match at all. Don't seem at all fair to her.
^ I don't like the posting on 'social media' thing - because 'social media' is a synonym for 'garbage' - but she has a 100% right to be extremely upset at Tan.
Look - it's a very simple equation: If you enter a draw, you MUST be prepared to play through until you lose - with the exception of a serious injury or some type of urgent situation (like your father suddenly becoming ill, for example). This is true for EVERY DRAW you enter. If you are not sure that you'll want to play in one draw if you play a long match in another draw, then DO NOT ENTER BOTH DRAWS - enter only one.
In the doubles draw, you have a responsibility to your partner - whether that partner is a regular partner and good friend, or if it's a complete stranger you've never met.
In this situation, Harmony Tan should have never entered the doubles draw, period. But she did - and therefore she has a responsibility to play the matches she is scheduled to play. If she takes to the court for her singles match tomorrow (and everything indicates that she will), she should, at the very least, be fined for pulling out of the doubles.
SCHEDULED MATCHES ARE NOT OPTIONAL.
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:27 pm One thing I Iike about Isner - this speech he's giving after beating Murray. "I'm not a better tennis player than Andy Murray. I maybe just played a little better today...." Thanked the crowd for being respectful. Said Murray is a huge inspiration around the locker room and everyone's so lucky he's still playing.

Interviewer: How did you stay strong after losing the third set?
Isner: I served.
^ Yes, Isner's post match interview was quite classy.
While Isner's politics, etc. have been criticized (by people who like to call themselves 'non-judgemental'!), he has always been one of the most well liked and respected players on the tour by his peers. That should tell you something.
James Blake is also one of Isner's best friends, by the way.

by Cuckoo4Coco
Deuce wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:32 pm
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:15 pm Monica Puig just made an excellent point about Raducanu's points to defend. I guess we forgot this: not only she is defending 2000 points at the USO, she is defending more because she earned points from the qualifying. Talk about a pressure position.
^ She got a decent number of points from Wimbledon last year, as well, I believe...
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:19 pm
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:13 pm
Also, drama! How ironic would it be if Wimbledon allowed late substitutions and Serena could step in and play with Korpatsch? :D

It doesn't seem fair. I know that Tan played a tough long match the day before and she is saying she has a thigh injury but I know that thigh injury is not going to keep her out of her singles match tomorrow.

Her doubles partner is now done without even playing a single doubles match at all. Don't seem at all fair to her.
^ I don't like the posting on 'social media' thing - because 'social media' is a synonym for 'garbage' - but she has a 100% right to be extremely upset at Tan.
Look - it's a very simple equation: If you enter a draw, you MUST be prepared to play through until you lose - with the exception of a serious injury or some type of urgent situation (like your father suddenly becoming ill, for example). This is true for EVERY DRAW you enter. If you are not sure that you'll want to play in one draw if you play a long match in another draw, then DO NOT ENTER BOTH DRAWS - enter only one.
In the doubles draw, you have a responsibility to your partner - whether that partner is a regular partner and good friend, or if it's a complete stranger you've never met.
In this situation, Harmony Tan should have never entered the doubles draw, period. But she did - and therefore she has a responsibility to play the matches she is scheduled to play. If she takes to the court for her singles match tomorrow (and everything indicates that she will), she should, at the very least, be fined for pulling out of the doubles.
SCHEDULED MATCHES ARE NOT OPTIONAL.
meganfernandez wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:27 pm One thing I Iike about Isner - this speech he's giving after beating Murray. "I'm not a better tennis player than Andy Murray. I maybe just played a little better today...." Thanked the crowd for being respectful. Said Murray is a huge inspiration around the locker room and everyone's so lucky he's still playing.

Interviewer: How did you stay strong after losing the third set?
Isner: I served.
^ Yes, Isner's post match interview was quite classy.
While Isner's politics, etc. have been criticized (by people who like to call themselves 'non-judgemental'!), he has always been one of the most well liked and respected players on the tour by his peers. That should tell you something.
James Blake is also one of Isner's best friends, by the way.
I see it the same as you. You sign up to play and unless you have a serious injury you play. I guarantee you this thigh injury is not going to keep Harmony out of her singles match tomorrow.
As for Social Media even being a teenager I have never really liked it. Even being 16 years old so I am not a young teen my mom still filters how I use and what I use on Social Media and I really don't mind that at all. I also had a friend bullied on Social Media really badly and that was not cool at all so my view on Social Media and people being jerks on it is pretty strong. What I think anyway about Korpatsch is she quickly overreacted to a situation she was very pissed about and made a mistake in the moment and posted something she shouldn't have on Social Media. The thing is she is really not that young of a player. This is something you would think would come from an early 20's player or a teen player. I can tell ya if it happened to me at the age I am at now I would have been pissed and I probably would have overreacted just like she did. I am however the type of person though that likes to confront the person to the face and I probably would have done that instead of the Social Media way but that is just me.

by nelslus
JazzNU wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:08 pm I'll be anxiously awaiting all the posts from you guys about your favorite players needing to be warned and penalized for their various breaking of the rules when it occurs in the name of fairness now.
Oh, HELL, I ain't gonna be a hypocrite here. If this scenario were to happen here at Wimbledon to Petra, or in the future (LOL, I know, RIGHT, in the future!!) to Venus or Roger- I'd go ballistic, and delete every piece of evidence of my opinions expressed here today or anywhere else.

(BTW, I thought that Davidovich Fokina had gotten some kind of earlier warning in the match? If he hadn't, I might have to re-think my opinion here? I don't think umpires consistently give a point penalty for first rule breaks? if I'm wrong about this, please do let me know.)

For sure, and this has never been truly addressed by the tours- but, there most definitely should be much more consensus on specific rule penalties with the umpires. Serena has gotten shafted: the Carlos match, getting called for a hindrance during the US Open Stosur final (and I was there at that match- it was a hindrance, but MANY players don't get called for hindrance for far worse noise hindrances during matches*****)- and then not shafted IMO (the "swear to God I'll f***ing take the ball and shove it down your f***ing throat" debacle, the default at the US Open against Kim....

*****I have a funny story (funny to me, anyway) to share about a favorite not getting a hindrance call. A bunch of us were at the 2009 R32 US Open match where Petra beat Safina. I hadn't noticed the following while we were there (we were all shrieking our own lungs out, and participating in shouting out "Petra" vs. "Safina" for reasons only known to us). But, there's some coverage of this match in You Tube. WELL, Petra let out two HELLISH!!!! shrieks DURING her match point that won the match. Both were hindrances to the nth degree. LOL, I am relatively certain that Carlos would have called Petra out on this. But, she didn't get the hindrance call. And I have no problems with that. :shock: (AND, thus, btw, was my Petra fan-love born- much to my fan-mental-health detriment.)


by ti-amie I'd scream too. That was some hitting by both women.

by mmmm8
Deuce wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:32 pm
^ Yes, Isner's post match interview was quite classy.
While Isner's politics, etc. have been criticized (by people who like to call themselves 'non-judgemental'!), he has always been one of the most well liked and respected players on the tour by his peers. That should tell you something.
James Blake is also one of Isner's best friends, by the way.
Oh good, he has a black friend. He's also friends with Justin Gimelstob, so he probably loves assaulting people.

I'd like to pause here to clarify I'm very judgmental, in case there's doubt.

by Cuckoo4Coco I have a question with the talk of screaming after points and disruptions. I am wondering what everyone thinks of grunting during play?

I am one that does it during play and really have never had an opponent complain about it. Do you see it as a disruption or is it ok and something that helps the player stay pumped during the rallies?

by ponchi101
nelslus wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:15 pm
JazzNU wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:08 pm I'll be anxiously awaiting all the posts from you guys about your favorite players needing to be warned and penalized for their various breaking of the rules when it occurs in the name of fairness now.
Oh, HELL, I ain't gonna be a hypocrite here. If this scenario were to happen here at Wimbledon to Petra, or in the future (LOL, I know, RIGHT, in the future!!) to Venus or Roger- I'd go ballistic, and delete every piece of evidence of my opinions expressed here today or anywhere else.

...
So, basically, it is impossible to be objective if you are a fan?
I was a huge fan of Justine, Yet, I am not going to be so blind as to say the RG "Lifting her hand" vs Serena was not total crap, nor am I going to be here pontificating that Carlos and her did not carry a full fledge conversation throughout her entire career. On court.
Love Rafa, but there is no way I am going to come here and say he has never incurred into a time violation.
Or Novak's 73 bounces before he serves.
Loved Connnors but, you know, should he had been defaulted at least 5 times in his career? Start the petition, I'll sign it.
Some people can be objective. And, for what is worth: I like Foki A LOT. He seems to be a hell of a guy and it is too bad he does not last longer at tournaments because he seems cool. And on the opposite side of the spectrum, as much as Kyrgios' behavior on court is something I do not approve, I am not going to be a hypocrite and deny him THIS GESTURE, and THIS ONE, and THIS ONE. He is truly Jeckyll-and-Hyde'an in his life but, when he is Dr. Jekyll, kudos to him.

Sure, let's keep track of our inconsistencies. I feel good about my chances.

by ponchi101
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:54 pm I have a question with the talk of screaming after points and disruptions. I am wondering what everyone thinks of grunting during play?

I am one that does it during play and really have never had an opponent complain about it. Do you see it as a disruption or is it ok and something that helps the player stay pumped during the rallies?
Very grey area. I play in total silence, to the point that I can go an entire match without even calling score (not what you are talking about).
You grunt when you have already hit 15 strokes in the rally and are running full stretch for #16? That sounds reasonable. You are still grunting when the ball is about to reach your opponent? Now it gets iffy.
In martial arts, grunting is used as a mean to generate more power, so there is something to it.
To me, the line was crossed by Seles. That was too much for me (and I loved her). Today, Munar was obviously doing strategic grunting, starting to do it late in the sets, and in the 30-30 points and after.
So: if you consistently come up with a "Uhg" after every stroke, from the beginning, I say fine. If you go full Michelle Larcher de Brito and go a full "WEEEEIIIIOOOOUUUUUU-OOOOAAAAAAEEEEIIIE LEROLEROLERO!!!!!!!" after every stroke, man, would I call you for a hindrance.
(I would last ONE match at either tour, as a chair umpire).

by nelslus
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:54 pmSo, basically, it is impossible to be objective if you are a fan?
I was a huge fan of Justine, Yet, I am not going to be so blind as to say the RG "Lifting her hand" vs Serena was not total crap, nor am I going to be here pontificating that Carlos and her did not carry a full fledge conversation throughout her entire career. On court.
Love Rafa, but there is no way I am going to come here and say he has never incurred into a time violation.
Or Novak's 73 bounces before he serves.
Loved Connnors but, you know, should he had been defaulted at least 5 times in his career? Start the petition, I'll sign it.
Some people can be objective. And, for what is worth: I like Foki A LOT. He seems to be a hell of a guy and it is too bad he does not last longer at tournaments because he seems cool. And on the opposite side of the spectrum, as much as Kyrgios' behavior on court is something I do not approve, I am not going to be a hypocrite and deny him THIS GESTURE, and THIS ONE, and THIS ONE. He is truly Jeckyll-and-Hyde'an in his life but, when he is Dr. Jekyll, kudos to him.

Sure, let's keep track of our inconsistencies. I feel good about my chances.
Ponchi. Come on. Please tell me that you get that there was a lot of joshing involved with my post?!?!

I'm the one who has more historical knowledge of the game than most, and I do respect the rules of the game. Not at all sure why you quoted me here- especially out of context when reading through my entire post.

by nelslus
ti-amie wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:27 pm I'd scream too. That was some hitting by both women.
It was even more insane live.

by ponchi101 @ Nelslus (previous post). Because you claimed you were not going to be a hypocrite and said that if that would have happened to Roger or Venus you would be complaining.
And I sort of not believe you, because I am not sure if you would not side with the rules, and, as you say, I know there was a lot of joshing in your post. As in 99% of your posts.
I'll even use your favorite emoji here in mine... :gorgeous:

by nelslus Especially as I've aged, I tend to grunt a bit when truly extra effort is needed. I otherwise keep as silent as I can. I don't ever remember being bothered by an opponent's grunts or whatever. I do try to get as Zen whenever I've played (I may be retired from playing now- still debating this.) I'm sure it would bother me if the grunting and noise happened while I'm trying to hit the ball. But, I doubt that I'd bring it up- I possibly just wouldn't play with that person again, if anything did bother me. (I have stopped playing with folks who clearly cheat.)

As a fan, it can make me crazy with the truly extremely loud grunters and screamers. I don't go out of my way to, say, watch Azarenka, and only watched Maria when it looked like she was going to lose.

by Cuckoo4Coco
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:02 pm
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:54 pm I have a question with the talk of screaming after points and disruptions. I am wondering what everyone thinks of grunting during play?

I am one that does it during play and really have never had an opponent complain about it. Do you see it as a disruption or is it ok and something that helps the player stay pumped during the rallies?
Very grey area. I play in total silence, to the point that I can go an entire match without even calling score (not what you are talking about).
You grunt when you have already hit 15 strokes in the rally and are running full stretch for #16? That sounds reasonable. You are still grunting when the ball is about to reach your opponent? Now it gets iffy.
In martial arts, grunting is used as a mean to generate more power, so there is something to it.
To me, the line was crossed by Seles. That was too much for me (and I loved her). Today, Munar was obviously doing strategic grunting, starting to do it late in the sets, and in the 30-30 points and after.
So: if you consistently come up with a "Uhg" after every stroke, from the beginning, I say fine. If you go full Michelle Larcher de Brito and go a full "WEEEEIIIIOOOOUUUUUU-OOOOAAAAAAEEEEIIIE LEROLEROLERO!!!!!!!" after every stroke, man, would I call you for a hindrance.
(I would last ONE match at either tour, as a chair umpire).
Nah, I just grunt while I am at the hitting point of my shot. I don't carry the grunt over to where it is echoing still when my opponent is striking the ball on the other side of the net. That would be craziness. I think I do it because I feel it generates more power. I really don't know if it actually does but in my head it says it does. The ball probably does not move any faster if I'd try it without the grunt. I am so used to doing it now since I have been doing it for years and yes my grunt has going from a 10 year old high pitched squeal of a little thing to a more solid teen girly grunt now. :lol:

by Deuce
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:51 pm As for Social Media even being a teenager I have never really liked it. Even being 16 years old so I am not a young teen my mom still filters how I use and what I use on Social Media and I really don't mind that at all. I also had a friend bullied on Social Media really badly and that was not cool at all so my view on Social Media and people being jerks on it is pretty strong...
Once she is finished raising you, your mom should rent herself out as a 'social media monitor' for other kids.

About 20 years ago, upon seeing kids from about 8 to 14 years old at the public library doing things on the internet that they shouldn't be doing, I said to the librarian "It has now reached the point where kids are coming to the library to do things on the internet that they're very likely not allowed to do at home. It's ridiculous."
The librarian responded "Well, what do you want me to do - look over their shoulder to see what they're doing?"
I said "YES! That's exactly what needs to be done. These are kids. Impressionable, easily influenced children. With the internet, they are being targeted and influenced more than ever before."

Anyway...

by nelslus
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:12 pm @ Nelslus (previous post). Because you claimed you were not going to be a hypocrite and said that if that would have happened to Roger or Venus you would be complaining.
And I sort of not believe you, because I am not sure if you would not side with the rules, and, as you say, I know there was a lot of joshing in your post. As in 99% of your posts.
I'll even use your favorite emoji here in mine... :gorgeous:
THERE you go. Of course, after perhaps a moment or two of my own personal fan insanity- I'd always back up with rules being followed by all players, including my favorites, and calling out players who messed up. Albeit, perhaps I wouldn't be quite as quick to do so concerning my favorites. :shock:

See, I'm also cool with Jazz's post, in the sense that many of us don't want to see the worst in our favorites, or have them receive any punishments. I remain truly bummed about Tiger for example- and not because he turned out to be a trollop- that was for his wife to deal with- which, she most definitely did. (AND, I hated when V posted to Novak, before he was kicked out, being all positive and wishing him well to win.) SO- I'll always work on negating my potential to want to be a hypocrite with my favorites, and call all us out (including most definitely myself) as needed.

BTW, I also have no gripes at all with Davidovich Fokina, and I was rooting for him today- EVEN though he got me out of the men's Pool with his first match. I haven't followed his game all that much. But, when I've seen him play, I've enjoyed what he brings to the court. I also respect the way he handled things after the match (barring, LOL, if he said something hideous to the umpire that we couldn't hear, etc.

by nelslus
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:21 pmNah, I just grunt while I am at the hitting point of my shot. I don't carry the grunt over to where it is echoing still when my opponent is striking the ball on the other side of the net. That would be craziness. I think I do it because I feel it generates more power. I really don't know if it actually does but in my head it says it does. The ball probably does not move any faster if I'd try it without the grunt. I am so used to doing it now since I have been doing it for years and yes my grunt has going from a 10 year old high pitched squeal of a little thing to a more solid teen girly grunt now. :lol:
Spoiler alert: I don't think you'll ever need to worry about any of this. Plus, now you have a room full of geezers, ready to pounce on anyone who ever gives you any grief. ;)

PS: If you need to shriek like a banshee to beat Coco Gauff when we pick you at the 2025 Wimbledon Pool, please do so. (AND, don't worry- 2025 Wimbledon will not become an ongoing theme here.)

by Cuckoo4Coco
nelslus wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:35 pm
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:21 pmNah, I just grunt while I am at the hitting point of my shot. I don't carry the grunt over to where it is echoing still when my opponent is striking the ball on the other side of the net. That would be craziness. I think I do it because I feel it generates more power. I really don't know if it actually does but in my head it says it does. The ball probably does not move any faster if I'd try it without the grunt. I am so used to doing it now since I have been doing it for years and yes my grunt has going from a 10 year old high pitched squeal of a little thing to a more solid teen girly grunt now. :lol:
Spoiler alert: I don't think you'll ever need to worry about any of this. Plus, now you have a room full of geezers, ready to pounce on anyone who ever gives you any grief. ;)

PS: If you need to shriek like a banshee to beat Coco Gauff when we pick you at the 2025 Wimbledon Pool, please do so. (AND, don't worry- 2025 Wimbledon will not become an ongoing theme here.)
I think I would do more than shriek. If that were to happen I think I would somehow find a way to get to the Royal Box and kiss Prince Harry's. Since we are dreaming I might as well dream big. :lol:

by ponchi101
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:50 pm [...
I think I would do more than shriek. If that were to happen I think I would somehow find a way to get to the Royal Box and kiss Prince Harry's. Since we are dreaming I might as well dream big. :lol:
"How to ruin a sterling reputation with just four words" by Cuckoo4Coco. Available at Amazon and other fine stores. ;)
(Just that every time I hear about prince Harry I can only think of is the opening scene of MONTY PYTHON'S THE MEANING OF LIFE, which you would know nothing about, and, well, :vomit: )

by Cuckoo4Coco
ponchi101 wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:03 am
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:50 pm [...
I think I would do more than shriek. If that were to happen I think I would somehow find a way to get to the Royal Box and kiss Prince Harry's. Since we are dreaming I might as well dream big. :lol:
"How to ruin a sterling reputation with just four words" by Cuckoo4Coco. Available at Amazon and other fine stores. ;)
(Just that every time I hear about prince Harry I can only think of is the opening scene of MONTY PYTHON'S THE MEANING OF LIFE, which you would know nothing about, and, well, :vomit: )
Nope, don't know what Monty Pythons The Meaning Of Life is. I have heard of Eric Idle because was a part of a Disney ride at Epcot and I know he was part of all of that way back when he was younger.

I think out of all the Royals Prince Harry is the coolest and the cutest. :P The Queen is also super awesome just because she has been around for like forever. ;)

by meganfernandez
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:54 pm I have a question with the talk of screaming after points and disruptions. I am wondering what everyone thinks of grunting during play?

I am one that does it during play and really have never had an opponent complain about it. Do you see it as a disruption or is it ok and something that helps the player stay pumped during the rallies?
I grunt purely out of exertion/intensity, and it doesn't linger after I hit the ball. I grunt on about every first serve. Normal sounds of intensity from players don't bother me. Maria, Vika, Venus, Serena - none of their noises bother me. Larcher de Brito and Marcel Granollers were past my limit.