mmmm8 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:06 am
Two paragraphs of overexplaining, three lines of apology. I know Jon's a friend of TAT but this was really ugly.
Used to be a big fan, but his luster has faded somewhat over the past few years, and now I often think he just sounds like an out of touch grandpa
Ageism! Since when are grandpas automatically out of touch (with whom/what) or irrelevant?
Us grandpa's are out of touch (I am not one, but could be by age) because we hold ideas from the 1960's or 1970's. Those ideas are now seen as old fashioned and in conflict with some modern ideas and ideals.
Yes. I am out of touch. But it is because I choose to be. I am not interested nor I agree with many of today's ideas. The best point? I will die sooner than the people that say I am out of touch. And won't get to see when THEY will be out of touch.
Life is tough
(100% in jest. Except the part that I am out of touch)
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:53 pm
I wish Barbora had said something like, "I do have a big forehead. He has a big mouth. No hard feelings." And then they could have had a nice interview on TC about the issues she mentioned in her statement, which I would love to hear more about.
I don't think Barbora should have had to say something like that, and I'm glad she didn't.
I think Jon deserves a lot of respect and the benefit of the doubt. He's more than a good guy and has been graceful to others when they have messed up. He just messed up. We all mess up. The only thing he can do is apologize. He shouldn't lose his career or have to hide off-air. It won't help tennis or Barbora.
I agree he doesn't need to lose his career over this, but i also don't think this should be taken with a shrug. What Barbora said is accurate and valid (and also she has a right to whatever reaction). His apology also was meh, especially if you consider he is a writer and lawyer.
I like Jon, I agree he's a nice guy based on what I have heard and I did meet him once briefly, along with his wife and one of those Gen Z kids as a baby. I also get that he was (supposedly) making a reference to an inside joke, and I've made, and laughed at, worse ones before, verbally... But I'm not on 60 minutes.
I think Jon deserves a lot of respect and the benefit of the doubt. He's more than a good guy and has been graceful to others when they have messed up. He just messed up. We all mess up. The only thing he can do is apologize. He shouldn't lose his career or have to hide off-air. It won't help tennis or Barbora.
I agree he doesn't need to lose his career over this, but i also don't think this should be taken with a shrug. What Barbora said is accurate and valid (and also she has a right to whatever reaction). His apology also was meh, especially if you consider he is a writer and lawyer.
I like Jon, I agree he's a nice guy based on what I have heard and I did meet him once briefly, along with his wife and one of those Gen Z kids as a baby. I also get that he was (supposedly) making a reference to an inside joke, and I've made, and laughed at, worse ones before, verbally... But I'm not on 60 minutes.
And there's some merit to the idea what people say out loud when they think others aren't listening, well, it tells you a little bit more about who they really are. This was an insulting comment. A lot of men learned long ago that they shouldn't comment on a woman's appearance. By now, Jon should know better. But I have no plans to build a crucifix for him.
One could argue I was probably guilty of something similar last week when I saw Taylor Fritz's hair.
I agree Jon is a good guy..one of the few who appears to be beyond biases and preconceived notions. I once sent him a personal message commending him for it..
Somehow the fact that it was NOT INTENDED TO BE AIRED is getting lost. He was sure that this was an internal joke. I'm curious what will Roddick say on his podcast. Hope he will not cave in and will not remove JW.
I do agree people reveal themselves most when they think it is a private conversation ...as they say, a value is what you practice when nobody is looking..
mick1303 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:49 am
Somehow the fact that it was NOT INTENDED TO BE AIRED is getting lost. He was sure that this was an internal joke. I'm curious what will Roddick say on his podcast. Hope he will not cave in and will not remove JW.
When you are on a camera being recorded for a TV show, probably shouldn't assume that what you are saying won't be aired.
It was a dumb joke.
But the reaction is over the top. He is a decent person. For example, when our pools were called SUICIDE, he posted a link to them but said "the regrettably named" SP's.
It is not as if he has a history of such comments.
I wonder how many of us would survive a world of "One strike and you are out" rules. I know I would not.
Not sure I would call it a joke, dumb or otherwise. And being a decent person doesn't excuse you from your actions. I know if I made a comment like this about a co-worker it wouldn't just be shrugged off and I might have "one strike and I'm out." I wouldn't say something and then say "oops thought no one was listening."
Translation
Since when are grandpas automatically out of touch (with whom/what) or irrelevant?
