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meganfernandez wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:03 pm
JTContinental wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:53 am
mmmm8 wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:06 am Two paragraphs of overexplaining, three lines of apology. I know Jon's a friend of TAT but this was really ugly.
Used to be a big fan, but his luster has faded somewhat over the past few years, and now I often think he just sounds like an out of touch grandpa
Ageism! :) Since when are grandpas automatically out of touch (with whom/what) or irrelevant?
Us grandpa's are out of touch (I am not one, but could be by age) because we hold ideas from the 1960's or 1970's. Those ideas are now seen as old fashioned and in conflict with some modern ideas and ideals.
Yes. I am out of touch. But it is because I choose to be. I am not interested nor I agree with many of today's ideas. The best point? I will die sooner than the people that say I am out of touch. And won't get to see when THEY will be out of touch.
Life is tough ;)

(100% in jest. Except the part that I am out of touch)
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meganfernandez wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:53 pm I wish Barbora had said something like, "I do have a big forehead. He has a big mouth. No hard feelings." And then they could have had a nice interview on TC about the issues she mentioned in her statement, which I would love to hear more about.
I don't think Barbora should have had to say something like that, and I'm glad she didn't.
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meganfernandez wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:14 pm

I think Jon deserves a lot of respect and the benefit of the doubt. He's more than a good guy and has been graceful to others when they have messed up. He just messed up. We all mess up. The only thing he can do is apologize. He shouldn't lose his career or have to hide off-air. It won't help tennis or Barbora.
I agree he doesn't need to lose his career over this, but i also don't think this should be taken with a shrug. What Barbora said is accurate and valid (and also she has a right to whatever reaction). His apology also was meh, especially if you consider he is a writer and lawyer.

I like Jon, I agree he's a nice guy based on what I have heard and I did meet him once briefly, along with his wife and one of those Gen Z kids as a baby. I also get that he was (supposedly) making a reference to an inside joke, and I've made, and laughed at, worse ones before, verbally... But I'm not on 60 minutes.
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mmmm8 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:00 am
meganfernandez wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:14 pm

I think Jon deserves a lot of respect and the benefit of the doubt. He's more than a good guy and has been graceful to others when they have messed up. He just messed up. We all mess up. The only thing he can do is apologize. He shouldn't lose his career or have to hide off-air. It won't help tennis or Barbora.
I agree he doesn't need to lose his career over this, but i also don't think this should be taken with a shrug. What Barbora said is accurate and valid (and also she has a right to whatever reaction). His apology also was meh, especially if you consider he is a writer and lawyer.

I like Jon, I agree he's a nice guy based on what I have heard and I did meet him once briefly, along with his wife and one of those Gen Z kids as a baby. I also get that he was (supposedly) making a reference to an inside joke, and I've made, and laughed at, worse ones before, verbally... But I'm not on 60 minutes.
And there's some merit to the idea what people say out loud when they think others aren't listening, well, it tells you a little bit more about who they really are. This was an insulting comment. A lot of men learned long ago that they shouldn't comment on a woman's appearance. By now, Jon should know better. But I have no plans to build a crucifix for him.

One could argue I was probably guilty of something similar last week when I saw Taylor Fritz's hair.
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I agree Jon is a good guy..one of the few who appears to be beyond biases and preconceived notions. I once sent him a personal message commending him for it..
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Somehow the fact that it was NOT INTENDED TO BE AIRED is getting lost. He was sure that this was an internal joke. I'm curious what will Roddick say on his podcast. Hope he will not cave in and will not remove JW.
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I do agree people reveal themselves most when they think it is a private conversation ...as they say, a value is what you practice when nobody is looking..
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mick1303 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:49 am Somehow the fact that it was NOT INTENDED TO BE AIRED is getting lost. He was sure that this was an internal joke. I'm curious what will Roddick say on his podcast. Hope he will not cave in and will not remove JW.
When you are on a camera being recorded for a TV show, probably shouldn't assume that what you are saying won't be aired.
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My husband read yesterday he is being taken off the air on TC indefinitely
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It was a dumb joke.
But the reaction is over the top. He is a decent person. For example, when our pools were called SUICIDE, he posted a link to them but said "the regrettably named" SP's.
It is not as if he has a history of such comments.
I wonder how many of us would survive a world of "One strike and you are out" rules. I know I would not.
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Not sure I would call it a joke, dumb or otherwise. And being a decent person doesn't excuse you from your actions. I know if I made a comment like this about a co-worker it wouldn't just be shrugged off and I might have "one strike and I'm out." I wouldn't say something and then say "oops thought no one was listening."
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Beautiful peace about Rafa and the connection of sport with life

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The AI is really not paying a lot of attention.
From this article:
Andrea Petkovic shuts down one Grand Slam narrative about Alexander Zverev

Andrea Petkovic doesn't agree that Alexander Zverev's mindset is preventing the German from becoming a Grand Slam champion as she expects the current world No. 7 to make a big breakthrough at one point and achieve his biggest goal.
...
Four and a half years ago, the German missed out on an outstanding chance to win his first Grand Slam after he blew a two-set lead and also failed to serve out for the title against Alexander Zverev - the Austrian won the 2020 US Open final 2-6 4-6 6-4 6-3 7-6 (6).

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I wonder if you can fire the AI. Or at least, the AI programmer.
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Anybody's watching Roddick's podcast? On the last one he proposed an idea to fix a calendar, which I consider very clever and quite good. Collect all 250s over the year that are in conflict with 500s or otherwise struggle, condense the remaining tournaments and move YEC/WTF one month earlier. All those 250s put AFTER the YEC, since top players are not likely to play them anyway. This portion of the calendar will be a vacation for the very top players, who play a lot and in need of the longer vacation. But it will be an opportunity for the rest.
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How many 250's will make a profit, or even break even, when the top seed is the #30 player in the world?
It is an unsolvable conundrum: the lower players need to play almost every week. The top players want to play just 12 tournaments a year (just an example).
But it is the top players that draw the crowds and make the tour profitable.
Do the experiment: do NOT force the top players to play any tournament at all. Let them decide. And let's see, after one year, how are the profits of the tour.
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