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ti-amie 
SINGLES
Ilie Nastase Group: Jannik Sinner (1), Daniil Medvedev (4), Taylor Fritz (5), Alex de Minaur (7)
John Newcombe Group: Alexander Zverev (2), Carlos Alcaraz (3), Casper Ruud (6), Andrey Rublev (8)
DOUBLES
Bob Bryan Group:
Marcelo Arevalo and Mate Pavic (1), Simone Bolelli and Andrea Vavassori (4), Rohan Bopanna and Matthew Ebden (6), Kevin Krawietz and Tim Puetz (8)
Mike Bryan Group: Marcel Granollers and Horacio Zeballos (2), Wesley Koolhof and Nikola Mektic (3), Max Purcell and Jordan Thompson (5), Harri Heliovaara and Henry Patten (7)
by ti-amie There was a Blue Carpet...
(Concerning)
by ti-amie Blast from the past...
by ti-amie
Sorry for the repeats. It has to do with the threading of the posts.
by ti-amie
Better look at this.
by Fastbackss The doubles group names made me laugh
by ashkor87 this court is notoriously fast.. I dont expect Alcaraz to do very well.. Zverev has just won on a similarly fast court, Bercy, so he may do well.. I would look for Sinner and Medvedev to qualify from the Nastase group, Alcaraz may make it because his group is weak..? De Minaur is the wild card, may pull an upset to qualify in the Nastase group..Zverev will certainly qualify - he has a great record in WTFs for some reason...
by ashkor87 Doubles has become so specialized there is hardly a player there I can recognise...not a good sign, doubles will die out, at this rate
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ptmcmahon Fastbackss wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:16 am
The doubles group names made me laugh
I can't tell which group is which!
by ti-amie Sunday 10 November, 2024 (Day 1)
Centre Court
Starts at 11:30 am
RR
W. Koolhof/N. Mektic (3) Vs (5) M. Purcell/J. Thompson
Not Before 2:00 pm
RR
D. Medvedev (4) Vs (5) T. Fritz
Not Before 6:00 pm
RR
M. Granollers/H. Zeballos (2) Vs (7) H. Heliovaara/H. Patten
Not Before 8:30 pm
RR
J. Sinner (1) Vs (7) A. de Minaur
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JTContinental Fastbackss wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:16 am
The doubles group names made me laugh
A fun twist to this tournament is if they made the Bob Bryan group play left-handed and the Mike Bryan group right-handed.
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ponchi101 ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:13 pm
Fastbackss wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:16 am
The doubles group names made me laugh
I can't tell which group is which!
But I thing that was cool. Name groups after a great doubles team of the past, and split them.
About the Newcombe name: a guy that has been forgotten. And who was a great player.
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mick1303 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:22 am
Doubles has become so specialized there is hardly a player there I can recognise...not a good sign, doubles will die out, at this rate
Out of 16 players only Jordan Thompson was noticeable in the singles.
by ti-amie Monday 11 November, 2024 (Day 2)
Centre Court
Starts at 11:30 am
RR
M. Arevalo/M. Pavic (1) Vs (8) K. Krawietz/T. Puetz
Not Before 2:00 pm
RR
C. Alcaraz (3) Vs (6) C. Ruud
Not Before 6:00 pm
RR
S. Bolelli/A. Vavassori (4) Vs (6) R. Bopanna/M. Ebden
Not Before 8:30 pm
RR
A. Zverev (2) Vs (8) A. Rublev
by ti-amie Medvedev was on one today.
by Suliso So far as expected...
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Fastbackss So the #1, 2, and 3 seed all lost their first match in doubles. 4 has yet to play.
Medvedev lost yesterday and now Alcaraz today.
I thought the craziness was supposed to occur in the WTA finals
by Suliso Sinner won easily, though. Indoor hard courts is clearly a weakness for Alcazar. Same as it was for Nadal.
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Fastbackss Suliso wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:45 pm
Alcazar.
I love this nickname for him and plan on using it
by
Suliso It's so easy to mix up a tennis player and a castle
by ti-amie Tuesday 12 November, 2024 (Day 3)
Centre Court
Starts at 11:30 am
RR
M. Purcell/J. Thompson (5) Vs (7) H. Heliovaara/H. Patten
Not Before 2:00 pm
RR
D. Medvedev (4) Vs (7) A. de Minaur
Not Before 6:00 pm
RR
M. Granollers/H. Zeballos (2) Vs (3) W. Koolhof/N. Mektic
Not Before 8:30 pm
RR
J. Sinner (1) Vs (5) T. Fritz
by ti-amie The way Carlitos grabbed at his quad when getting out of the limo for the blue carpet walk made me think he's injured. That's why I'm surprised but not surprised at this outcome.
by ashkor87 watching the highlights clip, increasingly becoming clear that Alcaraz' top spin doesnt work well on hard courts.. his shots, and serve, just sit up and beg to be hit.. and his servce return is not great either..
by ashkor87 DeMinaur is basically eliminated now, lost two out of two.. Sinner and Fritz then? the other group is more iffy now - if not Alcaraz, who? Zverev will probably make it.. Ruud was impressive against Alcaraz- can he do it again and best Rublev? Should be able to...
interesting that Ruud is doing well here.. hasnt done that great this year, very inconsistent.
by ptmcmahon If Fritz wins next match, or Sinner wins and Fritz gets one set then yes DeMinaur is out. He needs a straight set Sinner win to stay alive.
Fritz wins group if he wins this afternoon.
by mick1303 If 3 players in a group will go 1-2, what is the next breaker: total sets won, or sets won in the matches between them, excluding the ones that they all lost to the group winner?
by ptmcmahon if three people tie at 1-2, it will be best set % (not just sets won) in all matches, which will not just include head to head sets among tie breakers. If still tied will go to games won-lost %. So De Minaur needs to win in straight sets, and needs Medvedev to lose in straight sets as well - and have the best game % among the three. Given he is -11 and the others all positive he needs to win in straight sets and by at least 7 or 8 games.
Right now in this group everyone is still alive and no one has advanced. Sinner would just need to win a set, or have Fritz not win in straight sets, to make it without worrying about games won.
Also noticed, if three people tie at 2-1, and one has the best set % (or game %) they get first. It then actually goes to head to head between the other two tied people.
For example...if Fritz and Medvedev both win 2-1 on Thursday - Sinner gets first for best set % then it goes to head to head between Fritz and Medvedev (which Fritz gets.) If Fritz and Medvedev both win 2-0 then we have a three way tie in set %, so it goes to game % for first, and then head to head for second spot.
And if all three are equal in sets and games somehow, it goes to the highest ranked player.
by ti-amie Thursday 14 November, 2024 (Day 5)
Centre Court
Starts at 11:30 am
RR
W. Koolhof/N. Mektic (3) Vs (7) H. Heliovaara/H. Patten
Not Before 2:00 pm
RR
T. Fritz (5) Vs (7) A. de Minaur
Not Before 6:00 pm
RR
M. Granollers/H. Zeballos (2) Vs (5) M. Purcell/J. Thompson
Not Before 8:30 pm
RR
J. Sinner (1) Vs (4) D. Medvedev
by ptmcmahon Guess Alcaraz was ok as he beat Rublev in straight sets.
Ruud will win the group now if he beats Zverev later today.
by Suliso I'd expect the opposite.
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ptmcmahon Yeah not expecting it, just saying what happens if he does
by ptmcmahon And Zverev does win in two sets.
So both groups in same spot - no one through, no one out yet. Like Sinner, Zverev just needs one set even if he loses.
by ti-amie Friday 15 November, 2024 (Day 6)
Centre Court
Starts at 11:30 am
RR
R. Bopanna/M. Ebden (6) Vs (8) K. Krawietz/T. Puetz
Not Before 2:00 pm
RR
A. Zverev (2) Vs (3) C. Alcaraz
Not Before 6:00 pm
RR
M. Arevalo/M. Pavic (1) Vs (4) S. Bolelli/A. Vavassori
Not Before 8:30 pm
RR
C. Ruud (6) Vs (8) A. Rublev
by ashkor87 it is clear it is going to be Sinner and Medvedev, Zverev and Alcaraz.. which means Sinner meets Alcaraz in the semis, Zverev meets Medvedev.. that would seem to lead to a Sinner-Zverev final, or a Sinner-Medvedev, which Sinner will surely win..
by ptmcmahon Remember what happened last week when someone spoke in absolutes and said Gauff could neither beat Zheng nor Sabalenka. I'm predicting Sinner too but nothing else is even close to clear for me.
Plus with Medvedev playing Sinner today, quite possible 1 of them isn't moving on, especially if Fritz wins in straight sets.
by ptmcmahon With deMinaur taking the first set vs Fritz, that should be enough to clinch a semifinal spot for Sinner.
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ashkor87 ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 1:52 pm
Remember what happened last week when someone spoke in absolutes and said Gauff could neither beat Zheng nor Sabalenka. I'm predicting Sinner too but nothing else is even close to clear for me.
Plus with Medvedev playing Sinner today, quite possible 1 of them isn't moving on, especially if Fritz wins in straight sets.
that wasnt me. I had boycoted the entire event.
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ptmcmahon Oh I know, but a good reminder than whenever one of us says "this is for sure going to happen" it usually doesn't.
Fritz won in 3 sets and that eliminates DeMinaur, and Sinner is through.
Mevedev will win group with a straight sets win, and is out with a loss.
If Medvedev wins in 3, Fritz gets the second spot due to head to head win over Medvedev (Sinner would get first from best set % and then would go to H2H between the two.) Fritz cannot win the group.
by Suliso It's very hard to beat Sinner on this surface.
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ptmcmahon ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 5:55 am
it is clear it is going to be Sinner and Medvedev...
And that's why I say never say anything is clearly going to be the case
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ashkor87 ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:27 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 5:55 am
it is clear it is going to be Sinner and Medvedev...
And that's why I say never say anything is clearly going to be the case
What is the fun in that?
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JTContinental ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:27 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 5:55 am
it is clear it is going to be Sinner and Medvedev...
And that's why I say never say anything is clearly going to be the case
Except Serena vs Sharapova
by ptmcmahon Similar to yesterday, the 2-0 group leader wins the first set which is enough to put him through (Zverev.)
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ptmcmahon ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 4:23 am
ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:27 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 5:55 am
it is clear it is going to be Sinner and Medvedev...
And that's why I say never say anything is clearly going to be the case
What is the fun in that?
True... but then we're going to tease you back when you're wrong about what is "clearly" going to happen
Hard to say anything is completely 100%
by Suliso Is Alcazar out for sure if he loses in straight sets?
by ptmcmahon Yes, Alcaraz is out.
Ruud just needs one set to go through.
If Rublev wins in straight sets it would go to games and Alcaraz can't beat both of them. He is -6, Ruud is +3, Rublev is -8.
Rublev needs to win by 6 games or more total to advance.
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ptmcmahon ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 5:55 am
it is clear it is going to be Sinner and Medvedev, Zverev and Alcaraz.. which means Sinner meets Alcaraz in the semis, Zverev meets Medvedev.. that would seem to lead to a Sinner-Zverev final, or a Sinner-Medvedev, which Sinner will surely win..
Well, 2/4 on you "clear" picks
by ashkor87 2/4 is not bad when 'anything can happen!' ha ha!
by ashkor87 And it is still going to be Sinner!
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Suliso ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 4:52 pm
And it is still going to be Sinner!
Now it's probably going to be Zverev instead...
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ashkor87 Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 4:57 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 4:52 pm
And it is still going to be Sinner!
Now it's probably going to be Zverev instead...
You think Zverev can beat Sinner here?! Very unlikely
by ashkor87 Re 'anything can happen' - I have always wondered why golf is so different from tennis ..I don't know much about golf but I am told the wind makes too much difference in golf .too random..not the case in tennis. Tennis is a form game, not a crapshoot..the better player usually wins. Not always, of course but usually .
by Suliso If anyone can beat Sinner on indoor hard then it's Zverev.
by ptmcmahon Ruud gets second spot after winning first set.
Rublev won the second set, but at this point won't affect semis.
Sinner vs Ruud and Fritz vs Zverev
by ti-amie Saturday 16 November, 2024 (Day 7)
Centre Court
Starts at 12:00 noon
SF
K. Krawietz/T. Puetz (8) Vs (5) M. Purcell/J. Thompson
Not Before 2:30 pm
SF
A. Zverev (2) Vs (5) T. Fritz
Not Before 6:00 pm
SF
H. Heliovaara/H. Patten (7) Vs M. Arevalo/M. Pavic
Not Before 8:30 pm
SF
J. Sinner (1) Vs (6) C. Ruud
by mick1303 Funny how both groups absolutely mirrored each other in terms of results and the schedule by days (and even the sets):
On day 1:
#2 beat #3 in 2 sets
#1 beat #4 in 2 sets
On day 2:
#3 beat #4 in 2 sets
#1 beat #2 in 2 sets
On day 3:
#1 beat #3 in 2 sets
#2 beat #4 in 3 sets
by Suliso Fritz after all. Surprised I am.
by ashkor87 great win for Fritz.. havent seen the highights yet though.. but a real surprise - Zverev has been in great form and very motivated.. so, evidently, is Fritz.
by
Suliso Can Sinner beat Fritz twice in a row?
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mick1303 Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 8:55 pm
Can Sinner beat Fritz twice in a row?
He can. And he will.
by ti-amie Sunday 17 November, 2024 (Day 8)
Centre Court
Starts at 3:00 pm
F
K. Krawietz/T. Puetz (8) Vs (1) M. Arevalo/M. Pavic
Not Before 6:00 pm
F
J. Sinner (1) Vs Player Photo (5) T. Fritz
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ptmcmahon mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 11:01 am
Funny how both groups absolutely mirrored each other in terms of results and the schedule by days (and even the sets):
On day 1:
#2 beat #3 in 2 sets
#1 beat #4 in 2 sets
On day 2:
#3 beat #4 in 2 sets
#1 beat #2 in 2 sets
On day 3:
#1 beat #3 in 2 sets
#2 beat #4 in 3 sets
That third set in the last game ruined it
it even made the tiebreaker scenarios mirror each other the whole time.
by Suliso What a dominant performance by Sinner. Was never even close to losing a set.
by ashkor87 Can't imagine anyone beating Sinner on a fast court. He should win the AO too..his level never drops, that is what is so amazing..Alcaraz' level rises higher sometimes but also drops inexplicably..in a year or two, he will get more consistent.
The rise of Fritz will please Americans thirsting for an American champion..he is certainly getting there, though I still don't expect him to win a major...he is simply not in the league of Sinner and Alcaraz..but sometimes being one of the 3 best players is good enough to have a shot at the title..which he would be, at Wimbledon, for instance
by Fastbackss By sinner not dropping a set (and hence being undefeated) he got the bonus...
...and yet was still only 80% of what the six Kings slam paid
by mick1303 1500 points is a lot. 75% of a Slam. Hard to put money equivalent on this, but I suspect Sinner cares about those - they are creating solid foundation to his #1 spot.
by Owendonovan I feel Fritz's chances for a slam are dependent on Sinner and Alcaraz getting bumped out early on an off day. His game is on par with Zverev. I wouldn't have picked Taylor to be top 5 3 or 4 years ago, impressed by his improvements.
