Translated from Spanish by Google
"It has been a brutal experience, but right now I understand that I am not the right person to help him"
David Ferrer explains in @PuntoDBreak the reasons that led him not to continue with Zverev
by mmmm8 Great news. Ferrer is a really nice, sweet guy from everything I've seen, this wasn't a good association for him.
by ponchi101 BTW. In Spanish, BRUTAL can be also used as a compliment. It is regular slang. You can go to a "brutal concert", meaning it was great. He played a "brutal game", meaning he was awesome.
In the short sentence, and without more context, it can be BRUTAL in both cases.
On the other hand. How come this forum knew this would not last, and David could not see it?
Who is next for David? I believe he can be a great coach, if he finds the talented player that needs to polish his skills.
by Deuce
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:16 pm
Who is next for David? I believe he can be a great coach, if he finds the talented player that needs to polish his skills.
One obvious association would be Schwartzman, if he and Chela separate at some point. Ferrer and Schwartzman are quite similar - both small counter-punchers who run every ball down... That's not a guarantee that the coaching relationship would work, of course... but it would seem to be a good fit.
by JazzNU
mmmm8 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:12 pm
Great news. Ferrer is a really nice, sweet guy from everything I've seen, this wasn't a good association for him.
I assume you're talking about everything going on with Sascha and not the coaching? Please share if you know something else, maybe I missed something, because by all accounts from both, this was a great coaching relationship that both found to be working very well.
From David's words this appears to be much more about David having a young family and not wanting to travel as much right now with everything going on.
Next coaching gig- David's comments suggested there won't be another coaching relationship right now. That he'll focus on the Barcelona Open and his family. After the pandemic is over or at least travel restrictions ease greatly might be the soonest we seem him coaching again.
by ponchi101 @Deuce. I have always felt that the best coaches are the ones that do not play like you do. David, I believe, would not be good for Diego because indeed they are so similar: undersized counterpunchers that relied on their physicality.
If a certain Aussie player that oozes talent were to decide to take this game seriously, David would be the perfect coach. Teach him work ethics, the mental aspect of not giving up when you are down, of keeping calm when you are up. Better training, and better shot selection.
And of course, any young Spaniard would benefit incredibly.
He has options. Actually, many. He is as respected as any recently retired player can be.
by mmmm8
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:49 pm
@Deuce. I have always felt that the best coaches are the ones that do not play like you do. David, I believe, would not be good for Diego because indeed they are so similar: undersized counterpunchers that relied on their physicality.
If a certain Aussie player that oozes talent were to decide to take this game seriously, David would be the perfect coach. Teach him work ethics, the mental aspect of not giving up when you are down, of keeping calm when you are up. Better training, and better shot selection.
And of course, any young Spaniard would benefit incredibly.
He has options. Actually, many. He is as respected as any recently retired player can be.
Yeah, I think he'd be a great coach for a teen local player (or players) - lots to teach about professionalism and limited need for travel.
mmmm8 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:12 pm
Great news. Ferrer is a really nice, sweet guy from everything I've seen, this wasn't a good association for him.
I assume you're talking about everything going on with Sascha and not the coaching? Please share if you know something else, maybe I missed something, because by all accounts from both, this was a great coaching relationship that both found to be working very well.
From David's words this appears to be much more about David having a young family and not wanting to travel as much right now with everything going on.
Next coaching gig- David's comments suggested there won't be another coaching relationship right now. That he'll focus on the Barcelona Open and his family. After the pandemic is over or at least travel restrictions ease greatly might be the soonest we seem him coaching again.
I meant all the off-court stuff. I can't imagine that Zverev's personal mess (especially since his family is involved with his tennis) didn't spill over into the coaching relationship.
by JTContinental I guess Stefan Korda worked with Agassi during the offseason. That might be a fun pairing if it happened.
by JazzNU
JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:25 pm
I guess Stefan Korda worked with Agassi during the offseason. That might be a fun pairing if it happened.
Yes, he spent 2 weeks in Vegas and going by the pictures he posted and the words he used, sounds like it was both Andre and Steffi working with him.
by JTContinental Awesome--looks like it paid off too
by JazzNU I completely missed that Sam Sumyk was coaching Donna Vekic. Hope this works out for her, given everything we've heard and seen of him, feels like it might not be the healthiest of pairings.
by ponchi101 He seems to carry a "Poison" sign with him.
by JazzNU Not sure of his role on the team or if this is short or long term.
by ponchi101 Is it me or does David look actually thinner than when he was on tour? Looks pretty fit
by atlpam
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:30 pm
Is it me or does David look actually thinner than when he was on tour? Looks pretty fit
I was thinking the same thing - if it hadn't been captioned, not sure I would have recognized him.
by JazzNU
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:30 pm
Is it me or does David look actually thinner than when he was on tour? Looks pretty fit
I'm not sure if this is just an unflattering and deceiving angle or what, but my first thought when seeing this was maybe David can also give Miomir tips on how to lose that tire around his waist... I know I'm not right.
by ponchi101 Why not? This was a guy that was famously slightly-overweight during his career. That he got it right AFTER he retired is kind of odd.
Remember Borg. He was maniacal in keeping his weight at 68 Kgs (150 lbs) during his career. And one has to admit that part of Novak's fantastic speed is his weight. He is also fanatical at keeping it at 77 Kg(170 Lbs).
(And I meant you not being right. Athletes at this level need to pay attention to THAT detail. Enter Baghdatis as another example).
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:30 pm
Is it me or does David look actually thinner than when he was on tour? Looks pretty fit
I'm not sure if this is just an unflattering and deceiving angle or what, but my first thought when seeing this was maybe David can also give Miomir tips on how to lose that tire around his waist... I know I'm not right.
If it helps, I thought they meant David Witt at first, and my first thought was
by ti-amie
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by ponchi101 Please, enlighten me. Who is Darian King?
by ti-amie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:49 am
Please, enlighten me. Who is Darian King?
From Wiki:
Darian King is a Barbadian tennis player. King has a career high ATP singles ranking of world No. 106 achieved on 8 May 2017 and career high ATP doubles ranking of No. 156 achieved on 21 October 2019. In 2015 he defines himself as a solid player capable to wait the right moment to attack and catch the net.
by meganfernandez Que loco! Working alongside FAA's current coach, not replacing him. And Toni will remain the director of the Nadal's academy.
by ponchi101 This could be an interesting experience. How much can Tony Nadal bring to FAA? Sure, Tony was there all the way for Rafa, but Felix is no Rafa. How much can Tony bring to Felix?
I say he can make him top 15. Anything more is a bonus, anything less, proof that coaches can do very little once the players reach this level.
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:48 pm
This could be an interesting experience. How much can Tony Nadal bring to FAA? Sure, Tony was there all the way for Rafa, but Felix is no Rafa. How much can Tony bring to Felix?
I say he can make him top 15. Anything more is a bonus, anything less, proof that coaches can do very little once the players reach this level.
So which 14 players will be ranked ahead of FAA in a couple years, do you think? Fed will probably be retired. Who knows about Rafa's status by then. Djokovic, Thiem, Tsistipas, Medvedev, Rublev, Sinner, maybe Schwartzman, Shapo and Hurkacz. Who else is gonna stay ahead or pass FAA, or is showing more potential to? Sincerely curious. I think he's top 10-12 material at least.
Are you thinking Rudd, Fritz, Opelka, de Minaur, Sonego pass him up? Or that players like Monfils, Berrettini, Raonic, Wawrinka and Garin will stay ahead of him that long?
by ponchi101 I don't see Diego staying much longer in the top 10. The clay season will help him but he is the weakest of that group.
I just think that Felix does not have the consistency of shots. He has it all: power and speed. But I don't know if he can be taught how to keep the ball in play.
By now, the only prediction I make is that there will be like 100 players that will reach the top 25. Hurkacz' win last week seems to prove my point: I had him losing to Raonic, and he goes to win the tournament. The point therefore being: I truly know nothing about what it takes for these players to reach the top.
Now watch FAA win the USO under Tony's watch.
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:48 pm
This could be an interesting experience. How much can Tony Nadal bring to FAA? Sure, Tony was there all the way for Rafa, but Felix is no Rafa. How much can Tony bring to Felix?
I say he can make him top 15. Anything more is a bonus, anything less, proof that coaches can do very little once the players reach this level.
So which 14 players will be ranked ahead of FAA in a couple years, do you think? Fed will probably be retired. Who knows about Rafa's status by then. Djokovic, Thiem, Tsistipas, Medvedev, Rublev, Sinner, maybe Schwartzman, Shapo and Hurkacz. Who else is gonna stay ahead or pass FAA, or is showing more potential to? Sincerely curious. I think he's top 10-12 material at least.
Are you thinking Rudd, Fritz, Opelka, de Minaur, Sonego pass him up? Or that players like Monfils, Berrettini, Raonic, Wawrinka and Garin will stay ahead of him that long?
Obviously I don't know and it's fairly like FAA will be in the top 10 himself, but if his development stalls at the current level for some reason there are many with a potential of being ahead of him. Many of those you mentioned, but also Musetti, Alcaraz, Zverev whom you just forgot, Kecmanovic and Korda possibly. Some currently impossible to predict late bloomers too.
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:48 pm
This could be an interesting experience. How much can Tony Nadal bring to FAA? Sure, Tony was there all the way for Rafa, but Felix is no Rafa. How much can Tony bring to Felix?
I say he can make him top 15. Anything more is a bonus, anything less, proof that coaches can do very little once the players reach this level.
So which 14 players will be ranked ahead of FAA in a couple years, do you think? Fed will probably be retired. Who knows about Rafa's status by then. Djokovic, Thiem, Tsistipas, Medvedev, Rublev, Sinner, maybe Schwartzman, Shapo and Hurkacz. Who else is gonna stay ahead or pass FAA, or is showing more potential to? Sincerely curious. I think he's top 10-12 material at least.
Are you thinking Rudd, Fritz, Opelka, de Minaur, Sonego pass him up? Or that players like Monfils, Berrettini, Raonic, Wawrinka and Garin will stay ahead of him that long?
Obviously I don't know and it's fairly like FAA will be in the top 10 himself, but if his development stalls at the current level for some reason there are many with a potential of being ahead of him. Many of those you mentioned, but also Musetti, Alcaraz, Zverev whom you just forgot, Kecmanovic and Korda possibly. Some currently impossible to predict late bloomers too.
I did forget Zverev... Yeah I know it's impossible to predict, never know when someone will put it all together, how life circumstances will come along to help or hurt, but FAA still has so much upside IMO. I'm also no expert in development...
by Suliso
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:08 pm
I did forget Zverev... Yeah I know it's impossible to predict, never know when someone will put it all together, how life circumstances will come along to help or hurt, but FAA still has so much upside IMO. I'm also no expert in development...
Certainly. He's fairly among the 10 best prospects under 23. High chances he'll make it to the top 10 fairly soon, but not guaranteed. Sometimes things go wrong... As an example long time ago I thought Pavlyunchenkova is certain to reach the top 10.
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:08 pm
I did forget Zverev... Yeah I know it's impossible to predict, never know when someone will put it all together, how life circumstances will come along to help or hurt, but FAA still has so much upside IMO. I'm also no expert in development...
Certainly. He's fairly among the the 10 best prospects under 23. High chances he'll make it to the top 10 fairly soon, but not guaranteed. Sometimes things go wrong... As an example long time ago I thought Pavlyunchenkova is certain to reach the top 10.
Was Pavs working at Mouratoglou early in her career? Sometimes I think the projections have to do with where people are coming from, what's in their favor potentially. I mean, it would be weird if those inside the sport didn't put stock in those kind of markers of potential success. Prognosticating is not just natural, it's business for some factions of the sport.
by ponchi101 Just a few years ago we were all certain that Jerzy Janowicz was destined for greatness. We know where that prediction went.
by Suliso
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:17 pm
Was Pavs working at Mouratoglou early in her career? Sometimes I think the projections have to do with where people are coming from, what's in their favor potentially. I mean, it would be weird if those inside the sport didn't put stock in those kind of markers of potential success. Prognosticating is not just natural, it's business for some factions of the sport.
My projection at least stemmed from her dominant junior career (3 GS finals and 2 titles).
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:20 pm
were all certain that Jerzy Janowicz was destined for gre
Was that injury-related, though? There are a few big asterisks on potential, like injury and your personal life falling apart.
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:17 pm
Was Pavs working at Mouratoglou early in her career? Sometimes I think the projections have to do with where people are coming from, what's in their favor potentially. I mean, it would be weird if those inside the sport didn't put stock in those kind of markers of potential success. Prognosticating is not just natural, it's business for some factions of the sport.
My projection at least stemmed from her dominant junior career (3 GS finals and 2 titles).
I figured she had for sure reached the Top 10 for a little bit. She has 12 titles, after all. Nope, career high 21. She's only 29, though! Mid-career! Seems like she has been around forever.
by Suliso Career high #13. Where did you read 21?
by meganfernandez
Suliso wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:40 pm
Career high #13. Where did you read 21?
I think that was doubles. Was misreading. So almost Top 10. About right.
by Deuce
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:17 pm
Que loco! Working alongside FAA's current coach, not replacing him. And Toni will remain the director of the Nadal's academy.
Felix is quite obviously doing this ^ as a desperate response to jazzyg's prediction that Aslan Karatsev will do better than Felix over the next couple years.
Toni also said that if Felix plays Rafa in a tournament, he won't sit in either player's 'box'.
by ponchi101 That is honest from Toni. There is no way he can stop being Rafa's uncle and there is no way that he can stop rooting for him. A bit of a conflict of interest, if not a lot.
by Deuce In his first match, Felix should pull his shorts out of his butt before he serves - just for fun...
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:56 pm
That is honest from Toni. There is no way he can stop being Rafa's uncle and there is no way that he can stop rooting for him. A bit of a conflict of interest, if not a lot.
yeah, best to step aside in those matches. This might be a first - a family member of an active player coaching a different player.
by JazzNU I don't see this as that big of a deal. Rafa has for years been inviting players that have shown promise to come to Mallorca and train with him for several weeks. A very generous offer that isn't all that common to my knowledge by top players over the years. He's seemed legitimately interested in helping those players improve their game so they can reach their full potential. I don't see Rafa getting uptight about any of this and the dynamics especially because of this history he has. And I don't think Rafa allows Felix to train at his Academy as he has been in the off season if there was going to be any issue. I think Uncle Toni not being in the box for the match is what I would expect, but I don't see tension rising out of this situation regardless.
Great addition to Felix's team, but any potential conflict that is being written into the narrative seems unwarranted and just trying to create a story that isn't there at this point.
by ti-amie Many years ago now The Nadal family, before Rafa had the Academy, invited Donald Young to come work with them. I think the USTA told him not to. At least that was what was rumored anyway.
by JazzNU
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:44 pm
Many years ago now The Nadal family, before Rafa had the Academy, invited Donald Young to come work with them. I think the USTA told him not to. At least that was what was rumored anyway.
I remember that happening, but never knew why he didn't go. I just remember it being said during a broadcast and John McEnroe saying "Wow! I hope he went" and then "you can't pass that up" and just agreeing with all of it and hoping his parents wouldn't stand in the way as they seemed to do often in his training. Never heard about the USTA part.
by ti-amie
This is a pairing I can see working.
by ponchi101 As far as effort is concerned, Rublev is showing he is willing to put it. David would be a good addition, although I don't see him too different from Vicente.
As you say, it can work.
by ti-amie Quentin Moynet
@QuentinMoynet
Dans L'Equipe ce mercredi, entretien avec Caroline Garcia qui annonce sa décision d'arrêter de travailler avec son père et entraîneur, Louis-Paul Garcia.
"J'ai envie d'aller chercher des grands titres. Si je le fais maintenant, ça veut dire que je suis prête à le faire."
Translated from French by Google
In L'Equipe this Wednesday, interview with Caroline Garcia who announces her decision to stop working with her father and trainer, Louis-Paul Garcia.
"I want to go get some big headlines. If I do it now, that means I'm ready to do it."
by ponchi101 Just ten years too late...
by Deuce
ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 12:27 am
Quentin Moynet
@QuentinMoynet
Dans L'Equipe ce mercredi, entretien avec Caroline Garcia qui annonce sa décision d'arrêter de travailler avec son père et entraîneur, Louis-Paul Garcia.
"J'ai envie d'aller chercher des grands titres. Si je le fais maintenant, ça veut dire que je suis prête à le faire."
Translated from French by Google
In L'Equipe this Wednesday, interview with Caroline Garcia who announces her decision to stop working with her father and trainer, Louis-Paul Garcia.
"I want to go get some big headlines. If I do it now, that means I'm ready to do it."
Actually, the proper translation is:
"I want to go and win some big titles (tournaments). If I'm doing it now, that means I'm ready to do it."
In other words, she's not looking for attention-grabbing headlines - she's looking to win tournaments.
by ti-amie
by ti-amie I wonder what Garcia's career would've been if she'd made this move at the same point Kenin is.
by ponchi101 Although I am critical of these Dad-daughter relations, it must be very tough to make that split. I believe that the dads simply can't accept it. They cling to the "I have brought you here" mentality, not realizing that the last few steps may need a little extra.
On the other hand: I really am no fan of either player, so I am indifferent to what happens to them.
Last: who else could and should follow this example? Belinda?
by Deuce Leylah's dad told me in 2018 that he recognized that he had just about reached his capacity in terms of coaching Leylah. At that time, Leylah was about #4 in Juniors at 15 years old, and they had already brought Francisco Sanchez in as a 'secondary coach' - but Jorge (dad) remained her primary coach.
Jorge has no tennis background to speak of - though he did play soccer at a very high level in South America, and, through that, he was able to guide (and push) Leylah in terms of what it takes to attain a high level.
Jorge likes to say that he 'only knows about 60% of what a good tennis coach knows, but he knows 100% of that 60%'.
In 2019, they brought Dave Rineberg in on a trial basis. Leylah was still referring to Jorge as her primary coach in that time. Rineberg was a coach/hitting partner for Venus and Serena early in their tennis careers, and also coached Jessica Pegula for a time. Though Leylah had a really good summer with Dave, winning the singles and doubles of an ITF event, and making the finals and Semis of a couple of others, Dave didn't continue with them.
It seemed that, while Jorge recognized the need for someone else to take Leylah to the next level, he was, naturally, somewhat reluctant to let go. And, as well, he wanted to ensure that whoever did take over as the primary coach was going to be someone who was good for Leylah in all aspects and elements.
They then tried out Romain Deridder - kind of an unknown in terms of WTA coaching. It's worked out well thus far - so much so that Jorge no longer travels with Leylah. Of course, the fact that COVID-19 has turned the tours upside down likely has something to do with Jorge no longer travelling with Leylah. And so does the fact that he is concentrating more on coaching his other daughter, Leylah's younger sister Bianca.
Here's an interesting article about the father-daughter relationship between Jorge and Leylah, with mentions of other father-daughter tennis combinations...
by meganfernandez Much respect for Kenin for doing this. Never thought she would, in a million years. Yet another reminder that we - or at least I - have no idea what's really going on with players and what it's like to manage a career. Maybe he pushed for it for her own good, who knows. It will be interesting to see what happens next but at least we won't have to deal with their coaching and antics.
by ponchi101 Well, she is relieving him of his duties, which does not mean he will not be in her player's box. And if he is sitting there, I don't see him shutting up.
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 8:24 pm
Well, she is relieving him of his duties, which does not mean he will not be in her player's box. And if he is sitting there, I don't see him shutting up.
Maybe he won't travel with her as much. Hard to establish a new relationship with a coach with him around.
by ti-amie I agree Bencic needs to cut the cord. Like Garcia she may have waited too long.
by meganfernandez Don’t like this
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by ponchi101 You recently reached your first Slam final, are climbing steadily up the ranking, and are playing great tennis, and you change your team? Why?
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 3:56 pm
You recently reached your first Slam final, are climbing steadily up the ranking, and are playing great tennis, and you change your team? Why?
Begs an answer, for sure. So surprised. Surely she has someone else lined up.
by JazzNU Doesn't appeared this was mentioned yet - Petra Martic split with her coach in early April and is now working with Francesca Schiavone, at least thru the clay court season.
by JazzNU Bianca Andreescu split with her longtime coach Sylvain Bruneau.
by ti-amie Because it's the coaches fault.
by Deuce Very nice statement.
But not surprising at all. I actually expected it to happen earlier - and it likely would have if not for the virus situation and Bianca's perpetually injured state.
Bruneau is a local coach for her - a Tennis Canada guy from Quebec who has known Bianca for several years. Bianca has shown that she loves the spotlight, and so likely feels she needs a more internationally known / high profile coach. It's too bad, because Bruneau seems like a decent chap - a typical understated Canadian personality, not very interested in the spotlight.
Then again, maybe it was HIS idea to separate. Perhaps he'd prefer to help a player who actually participates in more than 3 tournaments per year.
by JazzNU
ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:33 pm
Because it's the coaches fault.
Maybe she'll enlighten us the way Jen Brady did after her unexpected split from her coach. The only thing I'm wondering is if this is about her fitness and health. Because she has a new fitness trainer, and it was him, not the coach, who encouraged her repeatedly to stop playing in that Miami Open final so she wouldn't push the injury, make it worse and miss more time. She was publicly appreciative of him saving her from herself, her words not mine.
by Deuce At the same time as splitting with Bruneau, there are reports that Andreescu has now signed with IMG.
This would not be surprising in any way, as IMG is about the highest profile management agency on the planet.
by ti-amie
That's Sven Groeneveld,
by Deuce If that's ^ how the two of them are going to communicate with each other, I'll go out on a limb and say that this association won't work.
by the Moz I'll go out on a limb and say Bianca's current trajectory in tennis won't work.
by Deuce Romain Deridder is no longer coaching Leylah Fernandez.
He wasn’t in Montreal with her, so I was wondering. And I’ve just received confirmation that they are no longer working together.
They were together for about 18 months, if I recall correctly.
by ti-amie
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by JazzNU In case you didn't hear about it during one of her matches, Paula Badosa split with her coach Javier Martí. It appears it occurred right before the Canadian Open. Not clear on whose decision it was to split.
by ti-amie
JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 8:40 pm
In case you didn't hear about it during one of her matches, Paula Badosa split with her coach Javier Martí. It appears it occurred right before the Canadian Open. Not clear on whose decision it was to split.
I think her new squeeze is her new coach...
by JazzNU
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 8:51 pm
I think her new squeeze is her new coach...
She appears to have a make-shift team at the moment, not an actual new coach. Definitely easy to believe among the group this week and last is a current boyfriend helping out in the meantime. Just going off what she's saying, it could be she's not being 100% truthful and boyfriend will become coach very soon. It'll make her words this week much less genuine if that's the case.
by ponchi101 What did she say? I missed that part.
by JazzNU
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 9:39 pm
What did she say? I missed that part.
dmforever wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:57 pm
Is Tursonov coaching Kontaveit now?
Kevin
Yes. It's posted here somewhere.
Post #71 above.
by meganfernandez
ti-amie wrote:
JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 8:40 pm
In case you didn't hear about it during one of her matches, Paula Badosa split with her coach Javier Martí. It appears it occurred right before the Canadian Open. Not clear on whose decision it was to split.
JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 8:40 pm
In case you didn't hear about it during one of her matches, Paula Badosa split with her coach Javier Martí. It appears it occurred right before the Canadian Open. Not clear on whose decision it was to split.
I think her new squeeze is her new coach...
Badosa’s boyfriend is a Cuban model.
I guess if your parents are both models, you date...models. Dang.
Kevin
by skatingfan It's the Sex & City episode about dating models.
ti-amie wrote:
I think her new squeeze is her new coach...
Badosa’s boyfriend is a Cuban model.
I guess if your parents are both models, you date...models. Dang.
Kevin
Badosa’s parents are models? Interesting.
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by meganfernandez
skatingfan wrote:It's the Sex & City episode about dating models.
Badosa is a… modelizer??
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by JazzNU @skatingfan, a SATC reference and clip? Gotta be honest, didn't expect that, but I like it.
Yes, both of Paula's parents worked as models when she was born, and why she born in NYC, that's unsurprisingly where they were working at the time.
by JazzNU So Rennae Stubbs just said on ESPN that Pliskova is not traveling with Sascha Bajin because he can't get into the country, he overstayed his visa and can't get permission to return right now.
by Deuce Romain Deridder - Leylah's former coach - is now coaching Amanda Anisimova.
The change from Leylah to Amanda took place about a month ago.
by ti-amie The biggest coaching change in a long time. I think this time it's permanent.
by skatingfan Wendy Williams really is a walking, talking meme.
by JTContinental Truly, the most codependent coaching relationship in tennis, so it will be interesting to see how this works out for her, especially since Cahill does everything but stand behind her on the court and move her from side to side during the slams. Short term, I think this will be a disaster, but a good move for her long term career (and probably personal life too).
by Suliso Long term career? She likely retires in 2-3 years max and likely already on the downslope.
by JTContinental You think she will retire at 31 to 32? Unless she's planning on starting a family, I think she will play longer. When healthy, she's still a top 10 player, even in her downslope.
by Suliso
JTContinental wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:45 pm
You think she will retire at 31 to 32? Unless she's planning on starting a family, I think she will play longer. When healthy, she's still a top 10 player, even in her downslope.
Well, she just got married... Maybe she'll be one of the rare exceptions, but currently there are only 2 players older than 32 in the top 50 (Serena and Kerber) and six more in the 50-100 range (Zvonareva, Petkovic, Hsieh, Kuznetsova, Kanepi and Siegemund). Doubt she'll want to play on when even top 50 a struggle.
JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 8:40 pm
In case you didn't hear about it during one of her matches, Paula Badosa split with her coach Javier Martí. It appears it occurred right before the Canadian Open. Not clear on whose decision it was to split.
I think her new squeeze is her new coach...
Badosa’s boyfriend is a Cuban model.
Jazz you must be thinking about her physio. This is the new boyfriend/coach.
by ti-amie
JTContinental wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:24 pmTruly, the most codependent coaching relationship in tennis, so it will be interesting to see how this works out for her, especially since Cahill does everything but stand behind her on the court and move her from side to side during the slams. Short term, I think this will be a disaster, but a good move for her long term career (and probably personal life too).
I agree and because of this I don't see her playing much longer. She can't think without him there.
by JazzNU
ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:03 am
Jazz you must be thinking about her physio. This is the new boyfriend/coach.
That's not her coach, but the boyfriend who is a model, not involved with tennis. Her "new" coach is her old coach from when she was in juniors.
by ponchi101 And...
Raducanu breaks up with her coach. She needs somebody that "has the WTA experience" as she will now go against "tougher players" (take that, Belinda Bencic and Maria Sakkari).
I wonder if there is a good coach, with lots of experience in the WTA and that has worked with, for example, somebody of Romanian ascent and taken such player to the top echelons of the tour.
Nah, nobody.
by ti-amie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:14 pm
And...
Raducanu breaks up with her coach. She needs somebody that "has the WTA experience" as she will now go against "tougher players" (take that, Belinda Bencic and Maria Sakkari).
I wonder if there is a good coach, with lots of experience in the WTA and that has worked with, for example, somebody of Romanian ascent and taken such player to the top echelons of the tour.
Nah, nobody.
This young woman has had four coaches in this one year. I think that certain someone would be wise to stay away from what appears to be an unstable situation.
This young woman has had four coaches in this one year. I think that certain someone would be wise to stay away from what appears to be an unstable situation.
I did not know that. My question is, as always: why change a winning formula? Maybe her coach "does not know" the WTA, but he has done well, so far.
Parents meddling, perhaps?
This young woman has had four coaches in this one year. I think that certain someone would be wise to stay away from what appears to be an unstable situation.
I did not know that. My question is, as always: why change a winning formula? Maybe her coach "does not know" the WTA, but he has done well, so far. Parents meddling, perhaps?
I just read that a comm said in passing during the Open that one coach wouldn't return if her father kept attending her training sessions.
Also, remember how Woz and her father would hire a top notch coach, milk him dry, and then kick him to the curb? Makes you wonder.
by ponchi101 I had forgotten about Caro's situation, but after you mentioned it, indeed. And I will always believe that Piotr cost Caro one more slam.
I also had not heard about the training session issue. I was half joking about Cahill jumping into this ship but, if daddy wants to run the show, I doubt he would like that sort of deal.
by JTContinental
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:14 pm
And...
Raducanu breaks up with her coach. She needs somebody that "has the WTA experience" as she will now go against "tougher players" (take that, Belinda Bencic and Maria Sakkari).
I wonder if there is a good coach, with lots of experience in the WTA and that has worked with, for example, somebody of Romanian ascent and taken such player to the top echelons of the tour.
Nah, nobody.
I wonder who that could be?
by JazzNU She's said that she has no one in mind and isn't in a rush to appoint a new coach. We'll see very soon if that is a lie. Seems strange to do this if someone isn't already lined up, but the father's involvement does make it more of a possibility.
by Deuce Personally, I feel that the value of coaches at the pro level is overrated. For many coaches, their main tasks are to reserve the hotel rooms and practice courts, pick up the balls in practice, and say “That’s it”, “Nice”, “Good”, etc. during the practices.
At the pro level, the players all know how to hit a tennis ball quite well. Sure, you may ‘tweak’ a certain shot a little bit, but their strokes are very established - and they obviously work. A coach can come in and want to change too much (maybe because their ego needs to put their ‘stamp’ on the player to be able to say that they’re responsible for any success which may follow) - but changing things can easily end up doing more harm than good.
I think the reason that their value is so high is because the coaches play themselves up as being ‘essential’, and the media, naturally, goes along with it.
The main value of coaches at the pro level is, I believe, psychological - to be a 'sounding board', and to build confidence and belief in the player. And if a parent has a good relationship with the son/daughter, the parent can often build confidence as well - or better - than a coach, because the parent knows their child inside and out.
One could argue, I suppose, that coaches also help with match strategy. But when coaching is not permitted during a match, whatever strategy was suggested is often forgotten in the heat and pressure of battle.
Some are calling for Leylah to hire an experienced, ‘high profile’ coach. I advise against this. She reached the U.S. Open Final with her dad coaching her. Would she have reached the Final, or won it, with an experienced coach? Highly doubtful. I’d say it’s far more likely that she would not have done as well at the U.S. Open had she had an experienced coach. Her father knows her extremely well - knows which buttons to push at the right time, etc.
She and her dad trust each other. They have an extremely strong and unique relationship which no coach on the planet could ever come close to duplicating.
I predict that Halep will miss Cahill very much - because they seemed to have a psychological and emotional bond - and that was the main value of that relationship. It will be very difficult - and maybe impossible - to replace.
As for Emma... much like Leylah, she and her parents are doing things their way. They do it differently than Leylah and her dad, but they’ve been committed to staying their chosen course. And that’s perfectly fine.
Here’s an interesting article on how Emma and her parents have gone about her coaching...
by Suliso As you know very well there have been some very toxic parent-daughter relationships in women's tennis. Hopefully that's not the case for either Fernandez or Raducanu.
by ponchi101 I don't think it will get to that. Both Fernandez and Raducanu smile on court, and not only when they win a big point.
I remember how even when they were winning, players like Dokic, Capriatti (her first time around), Lucic or Pierce never seemed to be enjoying themselves on court. Pierce broke through that late in her career but it was telling. And another case of burnout, Vaidisova, was also very dour on court.
I also would say that the fact that Fernandez' dad and Raducanu's parents were not there for the final (Fernandez' mother and friends were) means they can accept certain distance. I don't see them as Yuri Sharapov, obviously trying to control everything. Or Kenin's dad, living his life vicariously through his daughter.
There is no doubt their parents are demanding, but I don't think in a toxic way.
by Suliso I don't claim that either. I'm just reminding everyone that it used to be very common and still happens sometimes.
I think here Federer is a top example. None of his close relatives have anything to do with tennis.
by Deuce A little more about Leylah’s coaching situation, for those interested...
Romain Deridder was brought in as her co-coach at about the end of 2019, soon after Dave Rineberg (ex of Venus and Serena) had a try-out for that position which lasted less than 2 months. While Romain was the one who was travelling with Leylah, her dad remained essentially her primary coach. The main reason that Deridder was brought in to travel with Leylah at that time was because dad was off travelling with Leylah’s younger sister Bianca (also a tennis player).
Leylah did well in 2019 at the ITF level with her dad as her primary coach. In 2020, Leylah did well as a newcomer at the WTA level with both her dad and Deridder as co-coaches. This year, in 2021, while she did win her first WTA tournament, the rest of her year leading up to the U.S. Open was a struggle. And so, between the Olympics and the Montreal 1000 WTA tournament, Deridder was let go, and her dad took over as her sole coach.
Some of you may recall Leylah’s service toss problems in the first half of 2021, where she was catching the ball sometimes up to 8 times in a single service game. Even I was calling for her to be penalized for this, hoping some kind of penalty would help her to correct the problem. I believe the service toss problems started because Deridder tried to get her to lower her toss - although I can’t confirm that. In the end, her dad was the one who corrected the service toss problems (that, I can confirm) - very likely because the problem had become mostly psychological.
Leylah’s dad has also stopped reserving her practice courts, stopped getting the balls for practice, and stopped finding other players for her to practice with - telling her to do these things on her own. And Leylah likes the added responsibility.
Her dad was not in N.Y. mainly because he recognizes that she plays more relaxed when he’s not there. This does not mean that theirs is an unhealthy relationship - on the contrary. He recognized that the time had come for him to take a step back - and so he did. He still spoke with her on the phone several times every day during the U.S. Open, where the people in Leylah’s ‘box’ were her mom (who very rarely travels to tournaments), her 2 sisters, her fitness trainer, her agent, and a few other family members (cousins, etc.). Her dad is not planning to travel with her to most tournaments in the future - because he feels that there is no more need for him to be always with her, and that the best formula for her now is for him to be more physically distant, but to always be available on the phone.
I've seen Leylah and her dad 'up close' at tournaments, and have communicated with them, several times - and I must say that theirs is definitely one of the most unique, healthy, and mutually trusting parent-child relationships I've ever witnessed.
by ti-amieEmma Raducanu’s coach Andrew Richardson will not have been shocked by star’s decision to part ways
Stuart Fraser, Tennis Correspondent
Saturday September 25 2021, 1.00pm BST, The Sunday Times
Even in the moments after Emma Raducanu’s astonishing US Open triumph this month, her coach Andrew Richardson did not seem at all confident that their partnership would last much longer.
Sitting in a dining room at Flushing Meadows with a small group of British reporters two weeks ago, Richardson was asked about the arrangement he had with Raducanu moving forward. Normally the coach of a player who had just won a grand-slam title would be waxing lyrical about the coming months. Instead, the softly spoken 47-year-old Englishman merely replied that discussions would be had when they returned to London.
Richardson will not have been completely taken aback, then, when Raducanu told him this week that she no longer required his services. While there will no doubt be some disappointment that he does not have the opportunity to build on that remarkable run in New York, the initial agreement he had with Raducanu was only to cover the duration of her trip to the United States.
Some may wonder if Raducanu could have given Richardson a reward of sorts by extending their partnership until the end of this season at least, but the tennis world is cut-throat. It was deemed by Raducanu, no doubt with the input of her diligent father Ian, that Richardson had served his purpose as a familiar and reassuring face to accompany her across the pond for what was the longest period the 18-year-old had spent away from home.
It has become clear this summer that Raducanu has a ruthless streak behind the warm personality that we see on and off the court. Eyebrows were raised in July when she disposed of the respected Nigel Sears after he guided her to the last 16 on her Wimbledon debut. In came Richardson, who had worked with her for two years from the age of 11 at the Bromley Tennis Centre.
There is often no room for sentiment in tennis, and Raducanu has now made the decision that she needs someone with more tour-level experience as she prepares for her return to competition in the coming weeks. Ironically, someone of Sears’s experience would have fitted the bill perfectly given that he has mentored Ana Ivanovic and Daniela Hantuchova.
Raducanu’s profile is such now that she will attract interest from coaches around the world. The Australian Darren Cahill has just become available after ending his successful partnership with Simona Halep, who won two grand-slam titles during their six years together. Another potential candidate is the Dutchman Sven Groeneveld, the former coach of Maria Sharapova who has close links with Raducanu’s management company IMG.
There is understandably already chatter in the locker room about the Raducanu coaching roundabout, but this is an approach she has used throughout her teenage years. Coaches have quickly come and gone, with her intelligent and analytical brain picking out the best advice from each one to prevent a “too many cooks spoil the broth” situation.
Raducanu’s father has a strong hand in this. Insiders say that he is a strong-minded individual who is not afraid to advise what he sees as best for his daughter, no matter who it may upset. While some are concerned about the “pushy parent” effect, there can be no arguing with his approach so fae.
Raducanu has basked in the aftermath of her US Open victory, attending the Met Gala and doing rounds of interviews with American television programmes, but she is clearly now at the stage where she wishes to focus fully on her tennis again. On Thursday she returned to training at the LTA’s National Tennis Centre, in Roehampton, southwest London.
“All these opportunities and events I’ve been invited to have been very cool and exciting experiences but being on court is where I want to be,” Raducanu said. “That’s where my head is at. Going on court on Thursday I felt like this is exactly where I belong, and it was just so nice to be out there doing what I love again. Even if the other things are cool, tennis is where it’s at.”
Raducanu has still not determined where she will return to the tour in the coming weeks. She has the option of taking up a main draw wild card for the prestigious Indian Wells Open, starting on October 6, or could remain in Europe for the indoor hard-court swing, starting in Moscow on October 18. Wherever the location, the next box to tick off is a match against a top-ten player for the first time.
“I want to beat anyone who’s in front of me,” Raducanu said. “I’m hungry to play anyone and I think that would be a really cool challenge. I like to challenge myself and obviously it’s going to be extremely difficult to beat a top-ten player or a player of that quality but I’m up for it. Even if I lose I think it’d be a great learning to see where I’m at compared to where the best in the world are.”
by Deuce All this nonsense about being 'ruthless' and 'cut throat' is just sensationalistic media BS.
I very much doubt that the coaches who have come and gone feel that they were done wrong, or that Emma and her family are 'ruthless'.
Trying to turn this into a trashy reality show is just trashy, opportunistic journalism.
by JazzNU I thought I misunderstood the relationship between Emma and Nigel Sears since he had come and gone so quickly, thought he was being used as a consultant or something, not a real coach. Strange to ditch someone like that in the manner she did.
Confused about the Groeneveld reference here. The mistake of thinking he's available makes me call into question the accuracy of the rest of what he's saying.
And FWIW, I don't see Darren coaching Emma and I'd hold that view even if there was no meddling dad present. I'll be in the shocked camp if that happens.
by ashkor87 I would bet on Cahill.. why would he end his tenure with Halep otherwise?
by Deuce
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:50 am
I would bet on Cahill.. why would he end his tenure with Halep otherwise?
This isn't the first time that Cahill and Halep have split - and the other time(s) had nothing to do with Raducanu.
I think Halep will realize that she can't duplicate what she got from Cahill, and will want him back - but whether they get back together or not will likely depend on whether Cahill wants to return and/or whether he engages with another player.
All that said, I still think far to much is made of coaches at the pro level.
by ti-amie
Deuce wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:14 am
All this nonsense about being 'ruthless' and 'cut throat' is just sensationalistic media BS.
I very much doubt that the coaches who have come and gone feel that they were done wrong, or that Emma and her family are 'ruthless'.
Trying to turn this into a trashy reality show is just trashy, opportunistic journalism.
This is the British press. It's what they do.
by ti-amie Romanian sources are saying Adrian Marcu is now Halep's coach with Dobre also on the team.
by ti-amie Treizecizero
@treizecizero
Simona Halep: „Nu știu de ce toată lumea vorbește despre finalul carierei mele. Nu este aproape. Îmi doresc mult să mai joc. Din cauza accidentărilor am avut mici dubii că mai pot, dar acum sunt foarte fit, sunt sănătoasă, și îmi doresc să mai joc, doi-trei ani, patru ani."
Translated from Romanian by Google
Simona Halep: “I don't know why everyone is talking about the end of my career. It's not close. I really want to play more. Due to injuries I had little doubts that I could still, but now I am very fit, I am healthy, and I want to play for another two or three years, four years. "
by ponchi101 Two or three more years IS the end your career. Nobody is kicking her out and even us fans know that, well, two or three more years is approaching the end of your career.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:50 am
I would bet on Cahill.. why would he end his tenure with Halep otherwise?
This isn't the first time that Cahill and Halep have split - and the other time(s) had nothing to do with Raducanu.
I think Halep will realize that she can't duplicate what she got from Cahill, and will want him back - but whether they get back together or not will likely depend on whether Cahill wants to return and/or whether he engages with another player.
All that said, I still think far to much is made of coaches at the pro level.
it is just the timing I find so suspicious..but then, coaching changes do happen towards the end of the season, of course...
by ashkor87
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:36 pm
Romanian sources are saying Adrian Marcu is now Halep's coach with Dobre also on the team.
would not surprise me.. I assume he is Rumanian? She is comfortable only with Rumanians...
by ponchi101 She might be comfortable, but her success came with Darren.
I remember her saying that before but it is a bit strange to me. It is not as if Romanians are a tennis powerhouse. Then again, coaches can only do so much. So any half decent coach can help her, as she already has all the experience that she needs.
by JazzNU
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:34 pm
She might be comfortable, but her success came with Darren.
I remember her saying that before but it is a bit strange to me. It is not as if Romanians are a tennis powerhouse. Then again, coaches can only do so much. So any half decent coach can help her, as she already has all the experience that she needs.
Her biggest successes and just all around improvement clearly came with Darren. I doubt anyone credits anyone but him with her Wimbledon win in terms of coaching, I personally can't even name the other guy. But it is good to remember Simona didn't initially choose Darren, he was chosen for her. Honestly, at this point, I wonder if she even remembers that.
by Deuce If Halep is looking to hire a Romanian coach, I believe that Nastase and Tiriac are available...
Very odd choice to me if that happens and I'd be surprised if that ends her cycle of coach hopping. But I wonder if she's even in control of making the choice and ending the partnership if it's not too her liking. It really sounds like every decision is being made by her dad.
by ti-amie Jamie Hampton started a bit of a firestorm on Twitter.
by meganfernandez Sven Groenfeld followed up with an idea for the WTA to create a stable of retired players to mentor or coach young players. As part of that, he said there needs to be more female coaches.
Who is the last tweet about? Guesses? Tursanov? Of the list of current coaches (https://www.wtatennis.com/coaches/list), I don't recognize many, although a lot of them could have played before I watched and/or never made the top 100. I wouldn't call Cahill's career average.
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:54 pm
Jamie Hampton started a bit of a firestorm on Twitter.
by ti-amie
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:13 pm
Sven Groenfeld followed up with an idea for the WTA to create a stable of retired players to mentor or coach young players. As part of that, he said there needs to be more female coaches.
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:54 pm
Jamie Hampton started a bit of a firestorm on Twitter.
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:13 pm
Sven Groenfeld followed up with an idea for the WTA to create a stable of retired players to mentor or coach young players. As part of that, he said there needs to be more female coaches.
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:54 pm
Jamie Hampton started a bit of a firestorm on Twitter.
I think the ATP already does this?
Maybe. It didn't come up in Sven's thread, though.
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:13 pm
Sven Groenfeld followed up with an idea for the WTA to create a stable of retired players to mentor or coach young players. As part of that, he said there needs to be more female coaches.
Who is the last tweet about? Guesses? Tursanov? Of the list of current coaches (https://www.wtatennis.com/coaches/list), I don't recognize many, although a lot of them could have played before I watched and/or never made the top 100. I wouldn't call Cahill's career average.
I've had a few ideas about who she might target for a coach. Carlos wasn't one of them. One does fit this random guy's guess. But also, I have serious doubts that the coach she might want will want her. Leaving a somewhat stable position for someone who might dump you after the Aussie Open or at a moment's notice, regardless of success, is a hard ask.
Also, not that it isn't a good idea, but Sven making suggestions for that is a bit rich. He knows he's not just doing his promo gigs and tweeting anymore, right? "Hey guys, I just accepted a coveted coaching position with a top WTA player, but also, we've gotta do something about getting more female coaches opportunities Just not this one."
by ponchi101 Would you not accept a good job because you would believe that more people, from another group, should be getting more jobs in your area of expertise?
There would be more female coaches if women would hire more too. Mugu has been with Conchita for ages now. Murray hired Amelie for a considerable time. But other than that, I don't see anybody calling Martina to coach her, or any other former player.
About Emma: you are 100% right. If after one coach takes her to a USO win, and he still gets dumped, why would anybody want to step in? It sounds like the ultimate non-job security situation.
by Deuce It seems to me that Emma (and her father) have been quite up front with the coaches over the years, and never inferred any 'job security'. At times, they've even scheduled the time frame from beginning to end that a coach will be working with her.
I don't believe they are in any sort of habit of cutting the legs out from under any coach; I think they've all known what they were getting into, and never expected it to be long-term.
Though it makes for an 'interesting' story, I don't see Emma and her dad as being anywhere near as 'ruthless' and unappreciative or dismissive as some people make them out to be (including some posters here).
With that said, I don't think many coaches would be hesitant to work with her - for however long or short a period of time it turns out to be. Maybe a given coach wouldn't suddenly drop a player he/she has an established relation with in order to jump over to Emma for something with less job security... but I think most, if not all, coaches who are not currently committed to a player would certainly entertain the idea of joining Emma.
I also think that coaching is overrated. And, as Pavlyuchenkova said, many coaches have huge egos, vastly overestimating their own value... and when a coach has a huge ego, he/she will definitely want to put his/her 'stamp' on the player - which means changing some significant things so that people will visibly see the 'influence of the coach'.
But making significant changes to a pro's game runs the very real risk of doing more harm than good.
by JazzNU
JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:31 am
Also, not that it isn't a good idea, but Sven making suggestions for that is a bit rich. He knows he's not just doing his promo gigs and tweeting anymore, right? "Hey guys, I just accepted a coveted coaching position with a top WTA player, but also, we've gotta do something about getting more female coaches opportunities Just not this one."
I couldn't find this last night because I looked for a gif not a video, but this was what Sven reminded me of when I read that from him.
by ti-amieEmma Raducanu’s tie-up with Johanna Konta coach Esteban Carril
October 18 2021, The Times
Emma Raducanu’s search for a new coach appears to be close to a conclusion. The 18-year-old is in discussions with Esteban Carril, the former mentor of Johanna Konta, about a trial with the view to forming a permanent partnership if it is successful.
Raducanu and her support team have spent the past three weeks seeking a replacement for Andrew Richardson, the coach who guided her to US Open glory before being told his services were no longer required because he lacked experience on the WTA Tour.
After her early exit at the Indian Wells Open ten days ago, Raducanu issued an unusual plea through reporters for potential candidates to get in touch with her. Now it has emerged that Carril is in line to join her team before her return to action at the Transylvania Open in Romania next week.
Carril, 44, certainly has the necessary qualifications. The Spaniard is best known for helping Konta make her breakthrough in 2016, when she reached the Australian Open semi-finals and entered the world’s top ten. He has also assisted other British players, including Katie Swan and Jay Clarke.
Carril is a likeable and respected figure within the British game and helped some of the country’s most promising prospects during a brief spell at the LTA’s national academy in Stirling. He had a modest playing career, reaching the top 300 in doubles and top 500 in singles.
Raducanu was due to return at the Kremlin Cup in Moscow this week but removed her name from the entry list last Thursday because of a “schedule change”. This gives her the chance to spend time with Carril on the practice court in London before flying out at the weekend to Romania, the home country of her father, Ian.
If the trial with Carril is successful, then it is hoped by figures within British tennis that the partnership lasts for some time. Raducanu already has a reputation at such a young age as someone who does not offer job stability for her coaches. Like Richardson, Nigel Sears was laid off shortly after helping Raducanu reach the last 16 on her Wimbledon debut during the summer.
The uncertainty did not help Raducanu before her first match as a grand-slam champion in Indian Wells. Despite receiving some assistance on site from Jeremy Bates in his role as the LTA’s national women’s coach, she lost in straight sets to Aliaksandra Sasnovich of Belarus, the world No 100.
Although Raducanu departed the Californian desert earlier than expected, the tournament provided yet more optimism for the British game moving forward. Cameron Norrie was on court overnight for his first ATP Masters final, against Georgia’s Nikoloz Basilashvili, safe in the knowledge that he had done enough to secure entry to the world’s top 20 for the first time today.
Raducanu and her support team have spent the past three weeks seeking a replacement for Andrew Richardson, the coach who guided her to US Open glory before being told his services were no longer required because he lacked experience on the WTA Tour.
Wasn't the original story that he was always only going to be temporary?
by JazzNU FYI, In recent days I've had tennis articles suggested by Google that Michael Joyce was basically warning coaches to be careful about signing with her because of her treatment of past coaches and the blame that could be put on them if she doesn't almost win the Aussie Open and what that could do to their reputation, as well as one that said the asking price of the top coaches was out of her reach, like potentially her father was unaware of what came with a coach with "a lot of tour-level experience."
by Deuce Yes, I'm sure the Raducanu family are terrible people who treat people horribly...
Sigh...
People who say such things do so to get attention (Michael Joyce, etc.).
I haven't heard any of Emma's former coaches utter one word of complaint.
by ti-amie None of them will say a word because they work for the LTA in some shape form or fashion. I've been wondering what was wrong because you'd think coaches would be banging on the door for a chance to coach a young woman who came through qualies to win the USOpen. Instead she gets a guy who's claim to fame is getting Konta to play well five years ago, and Boulter and someone else whose name I forget.
I think the Raducanu's made a big mistake in letting Richardson go the way they did. Who is going to want to sign on to have their brains picked and then get kicked to the curb? Until this news Raducanu's fans were confident Cahill was going to come on board. I said here and elsewhere he wouldn't for the reasons I stated.
Coaches talk among themselves. All sports are gossipy. There is something toxic within her camp but no one, so far, has said what it is.
by Deuce I think any claims of 'toxicity' within the Raducanu 'team' are grossly unfair.
Until someone comes out with verifiable facts that prove that's the case, it's all speculation and gossip. And that's simply not fair to them.
Yes, they've gone about things differently than most. So what? Everything I've read/seen indicates that they were upfront about their plans and that the coaches knew going in that this would likely be a temporary assignment.
Emma's no dummy - and I figure her parents aren't, either. They all are doing what they feel is best. I figure they know what's best better than any outsider does.
I don't like the gossip that uses words like "ruthless" and/or says they "kick to the curb" or "spit out" coaches, and/or that they thus treat coaches badly. It's simply not fair to make such accusations when there are absolutely no facts to support it.
There are countless articles too sensationalistically stating that the renowned Nigel Sears (Andy Murray's father in law, for those who don't know) and Andrew Ricchardson were "ruthlessly" dismissed as Emma's coaches. But very few articles mention that Sears has been a consultant with Emma since she was 15 years old. He obviously knew Emma and her family.
But words like "ruthlessly" sell more advertizing, and it's sad that most don't seem to care if there's actually any degree of truth to it or not.
Andrew Richardson, as well, worked with Emma previously - from ages 11 - 14. He obviously knew the family, as well - and I would say likely stayed in contact with them to a degree, which is why Emma brought him to the U.S. Open with her.
So here we have 2 coaches - Andrew Richardson and Nigel Sears - who both knew Emma and the family when they were asked to help her at the U.S. Open and Wimbledon, respectively. If the Raducanu environment were as “ruthless” and “toxic” as some people claim, do you honestly think that those two coaches - who both have plenty of experience with Emma as well as with other players - do you honestly think they would have embarked if the environment were troublesome and/or if the family were 'ruthless'? I doubt it very much.
It’s bad enough that some media people - and a few others who seem desperate for attention - are portraying Emma and her family in a very unflattering light - with no evidence to support their claims and accusations. It would be nice if we would refrain from stooping to that level here.
by JazzNU
ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:32 am
None of them will say a word because they work for the LTA in some shape form or fashion. I've been wondering what was wrong because you'd think coaches would be banging on the door for a chance to coach a young woman who came through qualies to win the USOpen. Instead she gets a guy who's claim to fame is getting Konta to play well five years ago, and Boulter and someone else whose name I forget.
I think the Raducanu's made a big mistake in letting Richardson go the way they did. Who is going to want to sign on to have their brains picked and then get kicked to the curb? Until this news Raducanu's fans were confident Cahill was going to come on board. I said here and elsewhere he wouldn't for the reasons I stated.
Coaches talk among themselves. All sports are gossipy. There is something toxic within her camp but no one, so far, has said what it is.
I never thought Darren was remotely in the mix as her coach. That seemed like wishful thinking of the highest order by her fans and people just playing mix and match due to sudden availability.
From what I can tell, in addition to letting Richardson go, one of her team's other biggest missteps is going to be that the coach they've described that they want, they already had just a couple of months ago and they ditched him. One with a long and great relationship with the LTA but also well known and respected throughout the sport. And now you've got this former Konta coach who people barely know, which seems like a certain downgrade from how they were talking about the experienced tour-level coach they wanted. And that guy, I hope he's up to the task and well compensated because based on the years I saw mentioned in the article, pretty sure he's the one Konta ditched after her first really successful year on tour before Wim became her coach.
by ti-amie I would accept the "it was only temporary" story if they hadn't changed it to now be that they wanted someone with WTA tour experience. I would also accept the temporary spin if they hadn't settled for a man who has limited success at the top and not one of the marquee names.
by JazzNU
ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:42 pm
I would accept the "it was only temporary" story if they hadn't changed it to now be that they wanted someone with WTA tour experience. I would also accept the temporary spin if they hadn't settled for a man who has limited success at the top and not one of the marquee names.
There was also no temporary language before and during Wimbledon for Nigel Sears in a single thing I heard or read. He was out there signing her praises and potential, and not a word about it was temporary or consultant or anything. That all came later, especially after the US Open and firing the last coach as they seemed to come up with a different narrative when they realized it wasn't playing that well publicly. They've definitely been working on re-framing the coach search, but as I said, their terminology makes even less sense when you consider Nigel.
by Deuce I think you'd have to ask Nigel that. And I've heard nothing negative from him. Nor from Andrew.
And, as I mentioned, they knew the Raducanus going in - they've both known the family for a long time.
You two seem insistent on jumping on the sensationalistic 'ruthless' bandwagon, though, painting Emma and her family in a bad light despite the glaring lack of evidence, as well as ignoring the fact that the two coaches in question have a long-standing relationship with the family.
I find that quite unfortunate.
And very unfair.
by JTContinental Svitolina and her coach are splitting up
by ti-amie
JTContinental wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:28 pm
Svitolina and her coach are splitting up
by ponchi101 Maybe indeed not a bad decision. She needs somebody that can teach her how to hit with more power, a very difficult thing to do.
He will be picked up by somebody else. They have been successful and that is a good CV.
by JazzNU A little shocked. I could see them getting back together in a couple of years a la Kerber and Beltz. Elina's got a team with great energy that seem to really get along amazingly well and it doesn't always work when you try it with someone else. Guess we'll see.
by ti-amie To paraphrase the British show "The Avengers", mmmm8 you're needed.
by Suliso That's a great interview. I wish he was asked why he prefers to work on WTA tour. Or maybe no interest among guys?
by ponchi101 Good question. He was not considered a great competitor, ala M. Fish or D. Ferrer, so maybe there is a bit of that.
But I will yield to further explanations.
by JazzNU Say what? This isn't confusing at all.
by ti-amie
JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:41 pm
Say what? This isn't confusing at all.
Emma Raducanu in ‘very good position’ in search for new full-time coach
Eleanor Crooks, PA Tennis Correspondent, Linz
Sun, 7 November 2021, 11:33 am
Emma Raducanu is in a “very good position” in her search for a full-time coach but it will not be Esteban Carril, who is set to join Andy Murray’s team.
Raducanu had a trial with the highly-regarded Spaniard last month and he had appeared the front-runner for the position.
Carril helped develop Johanna Konta into a top-10 player and has most recently been working with another British player, Katie Swan, who revealed on Sunday after winning a lower-tier title in Estonia that it would be their final tournament together.
Swan is managed by Murray’s 77 agency and Carril will now head to the Stockholm Open for a trial week, with a view to joining the Scot’s team moving forward.
Raducanu, meanwhile, is preparing for her final tournament of the season, the Upper Austria Ladies Linz, where she is the top seed.
She arrived in Austria on Saturday accompanied only by her mother Renee and agent Chris Helliar, but it appears she, too, has made significant progress in appointing a successor to Andrew Richardson.
The 18-year-old said: “I’m here on my own, I’m being my own coach again this week, which I think is really good for me long term. I’m really feeling positive about my coaching situation, it’s in a good place. I’ll have a coach in place at the Australian Open.
“I had some trials and they went well. I’m really excited to get some good work done in pre-season and we’re going to have a really good time for sure. I think my game’s going to be moving in the right direction so I’m pretty excited for that.”
Raducanu declined to reveal more information on the identity of her preferred candidate, saying cryptically when pushed: “I’m in a very good position. It’s just a bit confidential. It’s my decision. It’s not fully done.”
Raducanu cited LTA physio Will Herbert as a key presence in her team in New York, and he was also with her in Cluj-Napoca last week, but the teenager said she had not yet thought about potentially having a full-time physio or fitness trainer.
“I don’t have a full-time team at all,” she said. “I think a coach for me is the priority. It’s so new to me to be in this position where I potentially could. I think it’s a great privilege but I haven’t put anything in place at all.”
Raducanu won her first two WTA Tour matches in Romania before a heavy loss to Marta Kostyuk in the quarter-finals.
The Kent player cited fatigue as a factor in the result, which she revealed turned into illness, preventing her visiting her Romanian grandmother in Bucharest after the tournament, as she had planned.
Raducanu returned to training on Thursday, and she said: “I had five negative PCR results so it’s not Covid. I’ve been feeling the ball well here and I’m in as good a place as I can be and just looking forward really, really positive for this week.”
This tournament is another example of Raducanu’s new-found status as one of the biggest names in tennis.
Organisers are hugely excited to have the British number one here, with some fans waiting outside the players’ hotel on Friday hoping for a glimpse of Raducanu despite her not arriving until Saturday.
It is all a far cry from the start of the year when, with the UK in lockdown, Raducanu was just another A Level student having to cope with home learning.
“January, February, March, I didn’t pick up a tennis racket really,” she said. “March 18 was my first session on court in 2021.
“For January, February, March, I was literally just sat at my desk staring at a wall for nine hours a day so I feel like, where I am now, I just need to really take it all in and enjoy it because, looking back at how far I’ve come, it’s pretty surreal and I just really need to enjoy it because at the beginning of the year I never would have thought it was possible.”
Raducanu will play her first match at the TipsArena on Tuesday against either Kateryna Kozlova of the Ukraine or Wang Xinyu of China.
by ti-amie‟I can still win against the world’s best”
Your coach Torben Beltz will leave the team ahead of the 2022 season. After such a good second half to the season, what are your targets going into the next phase of your career and what new impulses are you hoping for?
‟I can look back positively on the past season. I invested lots of strength and energy to get to where I am now. For me, the next step when starting the season in Australia will be all about continuing where I left off. After Torben’s departure from the team, it also means that I would like to take on more responsibility. I’m very grateful for our time together and for everything we experienced and achieved as a team. It’s a new phase of my career that I’m about to enter now, whereas I’m fortunate to say that the rest of my team remains unchanged. In all the years, I’ve learnt how important it can be to have new impulses after a certain amount of time for one to continue competing at a top level.”
by ti-amie From the way the above was worded it seems that Kerber and Torben were always going to split before 2022 but what do I know?
Emma Raducanu loses in Austria & set to announce Torben Beltz as new coach
Last updated on 37 minutes ago 37 minutes ago
US Open champion Emma Raducanu's breakthrough season has ended with defeat in her opening match at the Upper Austria Ladies event.
Raducanu, set to announce Torben Beltz as her new coach, lost 6-1 6-7 (0-7) 7-5 to China's Wang Xinyu in Linz.
Wang, 20, played at a higher level than her 106th world ranking as 18-year-old Raducanu, the top seed in the event, suffered a second straight defeat.
However, the Briton was hampered by an injury near the end of a tight decider.
Raducanu, who climbed into the world's top 20 this week, struggled to cope with Wang's power and precision in a one-sided first set before settling down to turn the match into a contest.
But the momentum of the match swung away from the British number one again when she picked up a leg injury as the third set remained on serve and still finely balanced.
Struggling to push off on serve, Raducanu was broken for 5-4 and then needed lengthy treatment on court before returning to try and stay in the match.
Raducanu continued to limp between points, but showed remarkable fight to see off two match points and break back for 5-5.
After requiring some more treatment at the changeover, Raducanu could not hold off a third match point as Wang closed out the biggest victory of her career.
Work with Beltz set to start later this month
Beltz, a 44-year-old German who used to coach former world number one Angelique Kerber, is not in Austria with Raducanu this week.
But he is expected to start working with the teenager Raducanu when the new British number one begins pre-season training at the end of the month.
Beltz has a strong pedigree having coached Kerber when she won the Australian Open and the US Open titles in 2016.
They reunited for this season but Kerber announced on Monday they would not be working together in 2022.
The Telegraph first covered the story after unearthing an image of Beltz with the 18-year-old and her agent Chris Helliar in a coffee house in Orpington.
The photograph was posted on a Raducanu Instagram fan site on 20 October - the week in which the British player is known to have been conducting some trials at nearby Bromley Tennis Centre.
Esteban Carril was one of the coaches involved but he is with Andy Murray in Stockholm this week with a view to joining the former world number one's team on a permanent basis next season.
It is understood terms have now been agreed with Beltz but Raducanu was cautious when questioned about her new coach on Sunday.
"I'm really feeling positive about my coaching situation," she said.
"I had some trials and they went well - I'm going to have someone in place and I'm really excited to get some good work done in pre-season."
Raducanu has been without a coach since parting company with Andrew Richardson shortly after becoming the first qualifier to win the US Open in September.
She has been searching for someone with more experience of the WTA Tour, and Beltz certainly fits the bill having worked for many years with Kerber as well as Croatia's Donna Vekic.
Former world number one Kerber told the Porsche Newsroom on Monday that her fourth spell with Beltz had come to an end.
"I would like to take on more responsibility," the three-time Grand Slam singles champion said.
"I'm very grateful for our time together and for everything we experienced and achieved as a team."
JazzNU wrote: ↑Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:14 am
So basically she broke up with her boyfriend?
Or she went back to him depending on your perspective.
And you beat me to it because I thought "I can't post that. I RUN THIS PLACE!
Thanks. This dependency issues are so confusing to me...
by Deuce It makes sense, as well, though.
She did better on court with her dad around than she did without him...
by meganfernandez
Deuce wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:27 am
It makes sense, as well, though.
She did better on court with her dad around than she did without him...
Yeah, and she's an adult. I doubt she is being forced into any decision. Probably no harm in trying. She can make another change if and when it behooves her.
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by ti-amie Iga Świątek
@iga_swiatek
Okres przygotowawczy trwa i jestem w pełnej pracy, ale dziś przychodzę do Was z ważną informacją. Arrow pointing rightwards then curving downwards
Translated from Polish by Google
The preparatory period is underway and I am in full work, but today I am coming to you with important information.
by JazzNU Kinda shocking given the success they had in both juniors and pros, but I'm not as surprised after I think about it for a minute. I didn't feel like she had a good year after Rome, but I thought I was in the minority in thinking that and she did make the YEC, so I figured her year was much better than my perception.
Wonder if she has someone in mind already.
by ponchi101 Agree. It was not "stellar", in the sense of her 2020, winning RG. But she is still very high in the rankings, she is a solid member of the top tier, and she is not even 20 (I think). A bit too harsh.
They all have to understand that the days of becoming a Steffi or a Serena are over. None of them will reach that stage because they are so even. Winning three tournaments a year and making one Slam final (and 50% chance of winning it) is what they all must accept as a very good year.
by ti-amie
by JazzNU Ahha, so she did have someone in mind. Very good. Honestly, kind of wondering at this as a fit, don't think he did a ton with that teen player he was coaching after Aga, but we'll see.
@ponchi, I got the impression early in the second half of the season that she was getting frustrated with some of her losses. But I thought it was kind of a low level frustration, but the WTA Finals showed likely not so minor, so another reason this wasn't as surprising. So, maybe it'll just take some time for her to adjust to not being able to win so much, or maybe her game will get to another level and she will start being more dominant. But I do think she's been a bit too hard on herself at times in her losses (most times she'll write a post-mortem on her tournament performance on Twitter).
by Deuce I don't view this news as 'significant', as it won't change anything in my life, or in the manner that I see or watch Swiatek.
I suspect it won't make a significant difference in her game/results, either.
Have I said that I feel the value of tennis coaches is overrated?
by ti-amie If I'm remembering correctly Iga's new coach is the guy who said it was more important for Aga Radwanska to maintain her feminine look than to build upper body strength the way Serena had. I wonder what he thinks about Sakkari?
by JazzNU
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:44 pm
If I'm remembering correctly Iga's new coach is the guy who said it was more important for Aga Radwanska to maintain her feminine look than to build upper body strength the way Serena had. I wonder what he thinks about Sakkari?
Wow. Okay then. I missed that one.
by ti-amie
by Deuce Andy knows the game, and himself and his limitations, better than anyone.
The only reason he needs a coach is to have a target person in the seats for him to yell at.
by JazzNU Guess we'll see in time, but phrasing makes it sound like they'll remain a couple, just ending their professional coaching relationship.
by meganfernandez Mertens and her coach split. He is/was also her boyfriend. Reportedly, her new coach is David Goffin's brother.
EDIT: Didn't see Jazz's earlier post about this.. sorry!
by JazzNU
by ponchi101 I think he is a very good coach. Non-pressurizing, balanced, it seems he was always a straight shooter with Simona.
They might be a good couple.
by Deuce Cahill going full time with Anisimova would mean that Romain Deridder (ex coach of Leylah) would get pushed aside for the second time in about 6 months.
by the Moz
Deuce wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:49 pm
Cahill going full time with Anisimova would mean that Romain Deridder (ex coach of Leylah) would get pushed aside for the second time in about 6 months.
It is a merry go round
by JazzNU Some relevant coaching consultant news
by ponchi101 Well, what do you know? A player that finally connects the dots.
"Uhm, I am having problems with my serve, and I am in Australia. Could I call a good serving Aussie to help me for a couple of days?"
Good choice. Philippoussis, Rafter, Cash, either of the Woodies, or one of the old guard. I think that was very smart from her. Now, keep him for the duration of the tournament, and get that confidence back.
by ti-amie Per digisport.ro Halep has fired her coaches Dobre and Marcu.
by meganfernandez
ti-amie wrote:Per digisport.ro Halep has fired her coaches Dobre and Marcu.
Yeesh. Also, Jen Brady is now with Andrew Bettles, Svitolina’s coach for quite a few years. .
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by JazzNU
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:17 pm
Per digisport.ro Halep has fired her coaches Dobre and Marcu.
Say what now?!? She was just saying within the last two weeks that she was feeling good, feeling confident, and playing great...
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:17 pm
Per digisport.ro Halep has fired her coaches Dobre and Marcu.
Say what now?!? She was just saying within the last two weeks that she was feeling good, feeling confident, and playing great...
And Cahill has already moved on.
Well... he has left her before, and then come back...
When they split this latest time, I said at the time that she will want him back soon. Because they certainly seemed to understand each other very well. He knew what she needed, and she trusted his judgement in assessing her needs. That's rare.
That said, she may have become too dependent upon him - and so feels lost without him. And so maybe this is a rare case where the player actually needs a coach - because without him, she is a rudderless boat. I don't think that's a good or healthy thing - but it seems to be the case here. I think she's too old to overcome that dependence in time to salvage the rest of her career. And I don't think there's enough time for her to break that dependence and separate from it enough psychologically to be able to successfully partner up with another coach.
Seeing Cahill at tournaments - in another player's corner - causes her to put even more focus on her dependence upon him, I feel.
by ti-amie Reports are that Simona has hired 29 year old Piotr Sierzputowski who worked with Iga for about 5 years to work with hier during the ME swing.
Simona Halep will be coached by Piotr Sierzputowski at the WTA Dubai and WTA Doha, the tournaments in February in which she will participate, according to the Poles from sportowefakty.wp.pl.
by ti-amie
by JazzNU Interesting. Should say reunite in there somewhere.
by ti-amie
by JazzNU I wonder if this also means she didn't get rid of her 2 coaches? Or that part is certain?
by ti-amie I think we'll just have to wait and see who she shows up with in Dubai and Doha.
by ti-amie
by JazzNU Thomas (looking great btw) was one of the coaches of Team Europe at the Laver Cup.
If this is a new *coach* I'm thinking this is a replacement for Patrick and whoever his main coach is from the academy, not his father. But we'll see. I'll be shocked if his dad is MIA at future events.
by ponchi101 There is no way daddy is gone. This is just somebody that can hit with him.
by ti-amie
by ponchi101 Wonder who can help him take that next step.
What is missing from his game? I say variety; he hits every shot the same way, very much like Delpo, Cilic and Berdych. And that is very hard to teach.
by JazzNU Stunning news. Hard to imagine Piatti saw this coming even a month ago, especially if you've heard McEnroe talk about how much Piatti has spoken about Sinner's future.
There's some speculation about Magnus Norman as his next coach. Not sure where people are getting that though, since he just finished talking about Stan's return.
by JazzNU
by ti-amie The Simona and Darren of the ATP. How many times has this happened?
by JazzNU Sloane is back with Kamau Murray as well if you didn't see last week. Their splits have always been worded differently, but they are up there in the together/split/back together again category as well.
by ti-amie
JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:05 pm
Sloane is back with Kamau Murray as well if you didn't see last week. Their splits have always been worded differently, but they are up there in the together/split/back together again category as well.
Thanks. I did forget them but I think it's because I missed the second split.
by ponchi101 Because who is going to teach Novax anything new?
I believe that is not smart. Marian has never minded bringing new people to the team, for specific skills. So why split?
by skatingfan
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:35 am
Because who is going to teach Novax anything new?
I believe that is not smart. Marian has never minded bringing new people to the team, for specific skills. So why split?
Is it possible that Vadja doesn't want to travel that much anymore?
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:35 am
Because who is going to teach Novax anything new?
I believe that is not smart. Marian has never minded bringing new people to the team, for specific skills. So why split?
Is it possible that Vadja doesn't want to travel that much anymore?
Sole explanation.
by Deuce Or maybe Vadja is vaccinated so Nole fired him on principle.
by skatingfan
Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 02, 2022 5:00 am
Or maybe Vadja is vaccinated so Nole fired him on principle.
There are some who believe that the vaccine is contagious, and that those who are vaccinated are shedding the viral protein.
by ti-amie The last time Vadja was fired it was because he didn't want to travel so much. A few months later there he was. I did wonder if it had to do with the Novax situation.
by JazzNU I didn't see it, but apparently there was a statement within the last 6 months made about spending more time with his family, so travel may definitely be why.
That being said. I don't see why he couldn't just stay on as his main coach, advising him afar and training when there in person, so not sure it's just that.
That being said. I don't see why he couldn't just stay on as his main coach, advising him afar and training when there in person, so not sure it's just that.
Exactly. One really has to wonder who knows Novax' game better than Marian. And he has always been very agreeable to having more input. Becker and Goran come to mind.
Plus he seems very laid back and grounded. Qualities that may come handy every now and then.
by meganfernandez
by ponchi101 Lendl is not a magician. Of course he will help, but it is not the game anymore. It is Andy's body. He can't play the same game.
But Lendl will help. He is a great coach.
by ti-amie So Lindsay said last night on TC that Cahill and Anisimova are no longer working together.
by patrick Wonder what made Cahill quit especially after a decent AO run by Anisimova?
by meganfernandez
patrick wrote:Wonder what made Cahill quit especially after a decent AO run by Anisimova?
Or who?
BTW, there is scuttlebutt in Twitter than Anisimova and Berrettini were hooking up, and not for coaching. No idea if it’s credible.
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by ti-amie A reminder that Cahill isn't all sweetness and light with Simona.
by Deuce
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:10 am
A reminder that Cahill isn't all sweetness and light with Simona.
In this unfortunate time of 'political correctness' (sigh), I'd figure there would be many objections to this kind of thing.
But the fact is that this is precisely why Halep appreciates Cahill so much.
Obviously, she both respects and accepts his methods And they have worked.
It's not about being worried to hurt someone - it's about caring about the person enough to hold them to a high standard and to do what it takes to get the best out of them.
The only negative element I see is that it seems she has become too dependent on him. She too often seems lost without him.
by ponchi101
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:10 am
A reminder that Cahill isn't all sweetness and light with Simona.
I see a coach that is honest with his pupil and is not sugarcoating words, simply because in tennis the end result is a dichotomy. You don't get a B+ for effort; you win or lose.
I guess I am that way with my nephews, so, I am partial.
by ti-amie Many young people Anisimova's age have never been spoken to like this.
Coach: Let's work on your slice
Player: BUT I HAVE TO BE AT RYAN/BRIANA FOR THEIR PARTY TONIGHT.
Coach: You need to do it...
Said to back of player as they head for their car.
Player loses next match.
"You're not helping meeeeee!!!" (whining)
Coach: #%&*
by ti-amie The talking to Darren gave Simona at Indian Wells made me want to call Tennis Warehouse and take the court. I've never been able to find it.
This is from Miami 2017 and is a bit less harsh.
by JTContinental Cahill is an excellent coach, but also seems to be a bit unreliable and flaky
by Deuce
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:41 pm
Many young people Anisimova's age have never been spoken to like this.
Coach: Let's work on your slice
Player: BUT I HAVE TO BE AT RYAN/BRIANA FOR THEIR PARTY TONIGHT.
Coach: You need to do it...
Said to back of player as they head for their car.
Player loses next match.
"You're not helping meeeeee!!!" (whining)
Coach: #%&*
^ That's likely (and sadly) very true for most players that age.
Despite Leylah being in that age group, I know her dad/coach is quite hard on her - in a beneficial way. He doesn't berate her like Cahill did with Halep in the first few seconds in the first video clip above. But the rest of that Cahill - Halep clip is more like what Jorge does with Leylah.
He lays it out straight for Leylah - 'If you want this result, you have to do this'... Of course, their relationship is very different because it's also father/daughter.
He pushes her hard. It would seem harsh to most outside observers - but it's what Leylah wants.
They have a very healthy and absolutely wonderful relationship - it's a very tight bond - if any of you saw Leylah head straight to her dad, and the way they hugged each other, after her win in Monterrey last Sunday, you could see the strength of their bond. That was the first time Jorge has seen her win a tournament at the WTA level, and you could see that it meant a lot to both of them that he was there.
While other coaches know more technical stuff than Jorge, there is no question that no other coach would understand Leylah as well as he does. He knows what she needs, and when. She realizes that, and appreciates it. And, to me, that is more valuable than technical knowledge - especially at this level, where they all know how to hit a tennis ball quite efficiently.
Would Leylah have done better at the U.S. Open last year with a more traditional coach?
No way.
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by JTContinental I have to admit that I have no idea who that guy is...
by ti-amie I know who Piatti is but I didn't know he ran an academy. I think this is less a coaching change than an attempt for Raducanu to get some work in on clay. I can't imagine her changing coaches now.
by meganfernandez
ti-amie wrote:I know who Piatti is but I didn't know he ran an academy. I think this is less a coaching change than an attempt for Raducanu to get some work in on clay. I can't imagine her changing coaches now.
Exactly. And yeah Piatti is very established.
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by meganfernandez This makes me think Serena is functionally retired, as we discussed in a different thread the other day. "I had a conversation with Serena, and the door opened, at least short term, for me to work with someone else."
by ponchi101 Serious question. Why is this man so highly regarded as a coach? He took on Serena, a fully formed player, and made her reach what new heights?
Again, serious question. I just don't see why people think he is a good coach.
by ti-amie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:36 pm
Serious question. Why is this man so highly regarded as a coach? He took on Serena, a fully formed player, and made her reach what new heights?
Again, serious question. I just don't see why people think he is a good coach.
You're not the only one who feels that way. Serena just needed tweaks to her game and he was able to do that. Actually Simona is the same in that she doesn't need to develop a new game she needs to tweak how she plays and keep control of her emotions on court.
I think the big thing is if she'll listen to him like she did with Cahill.
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote:Serious question. Why is this man so highly regarded as a coach? He took on Serena, a fully formed player, and made reach what new heights?
Again, serious question. I just don't see why people think he is a good coach?
I think Serena won 10 Slams with him and gives him a lot of credit. There’s so much more to coaching than tweaking building someone’s game. You have to get the best out of that player. Every last drop. I think I he did that with Serena. And he coaches other top players. And he is a fantastic self-promoter (hey, he has a business). Players continue to go there so I’m sure he is darn good.
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by ponchi101
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:35 pm
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I think Serena won 10 Slams with him and gives him a lot of credit. There’s so much more to coaching than tweaking building someone’s game. You have to get the best out of that player. Every last drop. I think I he did that with Serena. And he coaches other top players. And he is a fantastic self-promoter (hey, he has a business). Players continue to go there so I’m sure he is darn good.
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Ok, we agree there
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote:
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:35 pm
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I think Serena won 10 Slams with him and gives him a lot of credit. There’s so much more to coaching than tweaking building someone’s game. You have to get the best out of that player. Every last drop. I think I he did that with Serena. And he coaches other top players. And he is a fantastic self-promoter (hey, he has a business). Players continue to go there so I’m sure he is darn good.
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Ok, we agree there
He genuinely loves the sport, that’s for sure. Personally, I love his tips online.
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by JTContinental Serena just hinted today that she's aiming to be back on the court for Wimbledon.
by meganfernandez
JTContinental wrote:Serena just hinted today that she's aiming to be back on the court for Wimbledon.
The Aaron Rogers thing? Who knows. She could be effing with us. :/ But I tend to think she will play Wimbledon again, maaaybe the US Open, and that’s it.
JTContinental wrote:Serena just hinted today that she's aiming to be back on the court for Wimbledon.
The Aaron Rogers thing? Who knows. She could be effing with us. :/ But I tend to think she will play Wimbledon again, maaaybe the US Open, and that’s it.
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Her TikTok post today was still weird, but slightly less cryptic.
by meganfernandez
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:33 pm
The Aaron Rogers thing? Who knows. She could be effing with us. :/ But I tend to think she will play Wimbledon again, maaaybe the US Open, and that’s it.
Her TikTok post today was still weird, but slightly less cryptic.
What did it say? I don’t have TikTok.
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by ponchi101 Second that. I would not go into TikTok if they were giving away prizes. But please do tell.
by JTContinental It's a 5 second clip of her running down the hallway of a hotel room in a gold dress to Track Star by Mooski accompanied by the words "on my way to Wimbledon"
by JazzNU
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:36 pm
Serious question. Why is this man so highly regarded as a coach? He took on Serena, a fully formed player, and made her reach what new heights?
Again, serious question. I just don't see why people think he is a good coach.
It's rather strange how often people act like Serena is the first player he coached and that's all he's ever done.
It's rather strange how often people act like Serena is the first player he coached and that's all he's ever done.
Serious here. Who else did he coach before Serena? What were his credentials before her? I really don't know anything about him prior to that.
He had the academy for many years before coaching Serena. Wouldn't you assume he had coached others before her and that's the reason she sought his help? Marcos, Nastia, Grigor, Chardy, and Rezai were all before Serena.
But here's a question. Who did Brad Gilbert coach before Andre Agassi? What about Darren Cahill before Hewitt? David Witt before Venus? Wim Fissette before Clijsters? Why is Patrick's history and reputation the one that is constantly in question and the others get to just be highly regarded because of their well known success with high profile players no matter what stage of their career they entered? It has never made a bit of sense to me how much people like to complain about and undercut him.
Since his name has been brought up recently here, Ricardo Piatti is another one. Patrick is just as well established in France as Ricardo is in Italy. Same questions don't arise about Ricardo as they do about Patrick.
by ponchi101 Gilbert was a former top 10 player. Cahill was a former top 15. Witt also played in the tour.
Fissette came up slowly and he and Clijsters came up together. He brought her up.
Then. I have not seen anybody else in this board question Moratogliuo. I DID. So it is not as if a platoon of people are wondering how and why he is so sought after. Piatti has been spoken about lately because he has been instrumental in bringing Sinner up, which is precisely the opposite of what Moratogliuo has done. Piatti can say "I have developed this young player", which was my point. Moratogliou started with Serena when she was already not only a champion, but well into the fight for GOAT. Pretty much like Annacone with Sampras, whom he inherited from Gullikson (*) after his tragic death.
And of course he has done more than coach Serena. He is coaching Stefanos and Coco, if I remember well. But those two are in reality coached by their parents, so I still wonder: what do people see in him?
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(*) Corrected after pointed out by fellow member. Thanks.
It's rather strange how often people act like Serena is the first player he coached and that's all he's ever done.
Serious here. Who else did he coach before Serena? What were his credentials before her? I really don't know anything about him prior to that.
He had the academy for many years before coaching Serena. Wouldn't you assume he had coached others before her and that's the reason she sought his help? Marcos, Nastia, Grigor, Chardy, and Rezai were all before Serena.
But here's a question. Who did Brad Gilbert coach before Andre Agassi? What about Darren Cahill before Hewitt? David Witt before Venus? Wim Fissette before Clijsters? Why is Patrick's history and reputation the one that is constantly in question and the others get to just be highly regarded because of their well known success with high profile players no matter what stage of their career they entered? It has never made a bit of sense to me how much people like to complain about and undercut him.
Since his name has been brought up recently here, Ricardo Piatti is another one. Patrick is just as well established in France as Ricardo is in Italy. Same questions don't arise about Ricardo as they do about Patrick.
Except that I actually know who Mouratoglou is
by JazzNU
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 1:01 am
Gilbert was a former top 10 player. Cahill was a former top 15. Witt also played in the tour.
Fissette came up slowly and he and Clijsters came up together. He brought her up.
Then. I have not seen anybody else in this board question Moratogliuo. I DID. So it is not as if a platoon of people are wondering how and why he is so sought after. Piatti has been spoken about lately because he has been instrumental in bringing Sinner up, which is precisely the opposite of what Moratogliuo has done. Piatti can say "I have developed this young player", which was my point. Moratogliou started with Serena when she was already not only a champion, but well into the fight for GOAT. Pretty much like Annacone with Sampras, whom he inherited from Wilkinson after his tragic death.
And of course he has done more than coach Serena. He is coaching Stefanos and Coco, if I remember well. But those two are in reality coached by their parents, so I still wonder: what do people see in him?
Then you haven't been paying attention. There have been snide comments about him for years on here and throughout social media.
And you're discounting the players I mentioned that Patrick worked with when they were young same as Sinner with Piatti. Marcos would likely be one of the first big names he developed to a high level of success. Also, you're discounting the other examples I gave, of many coaches that joined players after they had great success. And what does them being players have to do with anything? You can't pretend that Brad Gilbert developed Agassi or that David Witt developed Venus Williams, but what do you hear about them? Nothing but praise for the work they did with that player despite not coaching them from the age of 2. Same with Wim Fissette who has a long history of working with already successful players, and who you are giving an amazing amount of credit to for Kim Clijsters' career despite him only being her coach after she came out of her first retirement. He did not "bring her up."
by ponchi101 I am not discounting the players you mentioned; I did not reply about that because I don't have to doubt your assessment there.
Thanks for correcting me about Clijsters/Fissette. I am mixing coaches there.
Gilbert and Agassi. I don't think that you can say that Gilbert brought nothing to the mix. Agassi was this famous über-talented player, without a head. Gilberts, a famously underpowered and undertalented player, was famous for strategy and tennis savvy, and after he came on board, the change was evident. Agassi '99 (RG and USO) was a far more elaborate player than Agassi '94 (1st USO). Gilbert did not develop Agassi, but polished him very well.
Before my next point, a little history from where I come.
I never understood players fascination with Bolletieri. I felt that because he had coached Agassi for a while, he became this sort of guru that really only taught players how to hit a FH. He delivered Jimmy Arias to the tour, with a monster FH and nothing else. So I always wondered what was it about Bolletieri that had people coming for him.
So, maybe a lot of people doubt Moratogliou. Maybe WATA (I certainly can be the one). But you have not answered what I am asking: what do people see in him? Why is he so highly prized that players are willing to share him as a coach? (Serena, Stefanos, Coco and now Halep?). Because, sure, maybe IATA. But I don't see it.
by Deuce If Mouratoglou has been getting criticism (I don't know, as I pay no attention to 'social media'), it's likely because he comes across to many people as an arrogant, obnoxious, pretentious know-it-all.
Whether he is those things or not, I don't know - but that is how he comes across to me and to other people I know. And there's usually some degree of accuracy there.
I have often said that I feel most tennis coaches are hugely overrated (and it is very often the coaches themselves who overrate themselves, and then it snowballs, because that's what the internet does).
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 1:01 am
Pretty much like Annacone with Sampras, whom he inherited from Wilkinson after his tragic death.
^ Gullikson (Tim).
by ponchi101 Thanks for the correction about Wilkinson (who was a player ONLY) and Gullikson, both a player and then Sampras' coach.
by Suliso I think it's true what Deuce says. Mouratoglou gets criticized a bit more than others because of his big mouth.
by meganfernandez
Suliso wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:34 am
I think it's true what Deuce says. Mouratoglou gets criticized a bit more than others because of his big mouth.
Yes, and he is very self-promotional (partly for his business/brand), so he's simply in the public eye more than the average coach.
Suliso wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:34 am
I think it's true what Deuce says. Mouratoglou gets criticized a bit more than others because of his big mouth.
Yes, and he is very self-promotional (partly for his business/brand), so he's simply in the public eye more than the average coach.
I think the same could be said of Brad Gilbert, but criticism of his coaching is virtually non-existent. Of him as a TV personality? Loads. But I have rarely seem someone question him as a valued coach even as they are saying something negative about him on TV and that's my point. There are quite a few coaches in the public eye. Some more likable than others, but time and again, it's Patrick that people question his value as a coach and it always seems to come down to them not liking him. But given that people certainly don't love Brad, Ivan, or Boris, for instance, it's bizarre for Patrick to be the only one I can remember who gets criticism consistently.
by Deuce Gilbert isn't a coach - he's a commentator. He's often a massive pain in the ass - but when was the last time he coached full time? - it was a while ago (maybely before 'social media' took over the planet). That's one reason why his coaching doesn't get criticized as often as Mouratoglou.
As for Becker and Lendl... they are, of course, former top players - as is Gilbert. They derive a certain respect from having 'been there and done that'. Becker and Lendl don't brag about their coaching exploits. Gilbert does - but pretty much everything coming from Gilbert can be viewed as comical and not taken incredibly seriously - he's like a caricature of himself.
Mouratoglou was never a top player. And, as others have said, he self-promotes more than any of the others. He also comes across as an arrogant and obnoxious know-it-all to many.
From an objective perspective, it's quite easy to see why he's more criticized than other coaches are.
by meganfernandez Raducanu and Beltz split
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by Deuce
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:49 am
Raducanu and Beltz split
It's at the point of ridiculous frequency now that one must wonder if this is done deliberately - like maybe to keep her name in the news. If that is the case, I doubt very much it's Emma's doing. Maybe a really bad public relations firm or something.
Really - it would be best at this point if she simply goes without a coach for a while... or if she works with a coach but SHUTS UP COMPLETELY ABOUT IT... because continuing a little longer with the skipping around from coach to coach to coach like she has done will give her an unshakeable reputation as 'uncoachable' - if it has not already done so - and when she matures and honestly looks for an actual committed coach, there won't be any takers.
by JazzNU Seems like she's going to have a very hard time finding coach that isn't with the LTA no matter what level of success she reaches at this rate, and even then she seems like she'll be running out of options for help there who truly are interested in working with her. She can't buckle down with someone for a full calendar year? Because damn girl, you've got a reputation before you're out of your teens.
And to be clear, this is NOT her leaving Torben Beltz for Ricardo Piatti, the announced coach that will be with her in Madrid and likely thru RG is another LTA one. I have no idea what a 7:51 training approach is, but she claims that's what she wants to implement. Feel free to share if anyone knows what the heck that means. It might just mean she's making it up as she goes along because it's really how it seems at this point.
Hope Torben got some hazard pay for this gig, but there were early reports she was balking at cost of coaches last year, so I fear he can't even walk away from this having been exceptionally well paid.
by ponchi101 Another article I read said that she/her family likes to get coaches to work on some specific thing and then move on. As long as that was made clear to Torben, it would seem fair: "I hired you to learn about taking care of blisters and now that I am proficient at it, you can go. Thanks!".
The only thing, as said by you gang, is that she will have a hard time finding a top notch coach if they all know this is a 6 months gig. The first split from the coach that took her to her US title was weird. The entire rest is simply unexplainable.
by ti-amie Here is Chris Evert speaking on the split between Raducanu and Torben, who also replied to her tweet. I said before that there is something seriously wrong in her camp. I thought she/they had enough sense to stick with a coach like Beltz.
by ti-amieEmma Raducanu splits from coach Torben Beltz after five months
Emma Raducanu has split from coach Torben Beltz after only five months.
The 19-year-old US Open champion confirmed Beltz as her coach in November but believes a "new training model" is needed.
The LTA's head of women's coaching Iain Bates will work with Raducanu in Madrid this week.
"I want to thank Torben for his coaching, professionalism and dedication over the last half a year," said the world number 11.
"He has a huge heart and I have enjoyed our strong chemistry during the time together.
"I feel the best direction for my development is to transition to a new training model with the LTA supporting in the interim."
German Beltz, 45, previously coached former world number one Angelique Kerber when she won the Australian Open and US Open titles in 2016.
His successor will be British number one Raducanu's fourth coach in a year.
Nigel Sears was replaced by Andrew Richardson after last year's Wimbledon, but Richardson's contract was not renewed despite Raducanu's success in New York.
Raducanu spent a few days preparing for the clay court season at Riccardo Piatti's academy in Liguria earlier this month.
The highly-respected Italian coach has worked with Ivan Ljubicic, Richard Gasquet and Milos Raonic, and recently parted company with Jannik Sinner after guiding him through his teenage years and into the world's top 10.
Raducanu has won three of her first five professional matches on clay - one for Great Britain at the Billie Jean King Cup qualifier in Prague, and two in Stuttgart last week in a run to the quarter-finals.
She will contest the Madrid Open, which begins on Thursday, at a career-high ranking.
Analysis
BBC tennis correspondent Russell Fuller
Even though Torben Beltz has not had nearly long enough to shape the career of Emma Raducanu, his days have seemed numbered for a while.
Pre-season was ruined when the 19-year-old caught Covid just before Christmas, and a sequence of minor injuries have prevented the pair spending crucial time on the practice and match court since.
Raducanu's father Ian is driving these decisions, as you might expect of a parent in his daughter's first full year on tour.
He can be imaginative but also restless, and by constantly seeking alternative and innovative ways to train, has denied Raducanu the stability which would have been welcome as she navigates life as the unseeded qualifier who won the US Open.
by ponchi101 I love it when they write their "Dear John" you-are-fired letters.
"I want to thank John for all he did during our brief fling. He has supportive, generous, caring, took care of me all the time and heard every word I said always. We never had an argument and I have improved 100% while with him, was always there for me, took care of me, my family, our PR issues, the dog and my pet parakeet, as well as washed the clothes, dishes, car, and afore mentioned dog and parakeet. He was the absolute best".
Sure. He was.
by Deuce If they (Emma and her parents, essentially) just want to take bits and pieces from each coach, with no real long term commitment, that's fine (I've read, too, that this has been their approach to coaching). It's their prerogative, and if they can find coaches who are willing to do that, then there's no problem at all.
But, as I said - if they're going to go that route, they should not be publicly announcing every time they hire and let go of each coach - because that can damage her reputation. Granted that those inside the WTA 'bubble' will know when her coaches come and go even if it's not announced publicly... but to make an announcement every time a coach comes in and leaves will not - and does not - reflect well on Emma.
by patrick For Raducanu to be going through so many coaches mean she is not paying their prices and/or differences in philosophy.
Also, guess doing well at Wimbledon and winning USO assisted her in winning the Laureus. By the way, who was the nominees in her category
by 3mlm
patrick wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:49 am
For Raducanu to be going through so many coaches mean she is not paying their prices and/or differences in philosophy.
Also, guess doing well at Wimbledon and winning USO assisted her in winning the Laureus. By the way, who was the nominees in her category
The fellow nominees in her category, Breakthrough of the Year, were 2021 US Open winner Daniil Medvedev, Pedri (football), Neeraj Chopra (athletics), Yulimar Rojas (athletics) and Ariarne Titmus (swimming).
The only other nominee I'd ever heard of is Medvedev and I agree she had more of a breakthrough than he did since he was already #2 and she was a career high #150. The others, I don't know.
by ponchi101 Yulimar Rojas is the Venezuelan triple-jump champion. She shattered the world record at the olympics, winning her first gold medal there.
But she was an established figure. I will agree to that. She was already #2 in the world. And she recently broke her record again.
by ti-amie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:35 pm
Yulimar Rojas is the Venezuelan triple-jump champion. She shattered the world record at the olympics, winning her first gold medal there.
But she was an established figure. I will agree to that. She was already #2 in the world. And she recently broke her record again.
I knew who she was. I also knew she is well established in her field. Nice to see she was nominated though.
by ashkor87 Well, let us not forget, Serena had the same model for a long time, worked well for her.How do we know it won't work for Raducanu? Though, I must say, I don't think it is working for Gauff..probably depends on how much the parents know about tennis and how much the player listens to them...
by ponchi101 Serious question. When did Serena have the same model? She has been with Moratogliuo so long I can't remember who her previous coach was.
The thing with Emma and the rotating coaches is that I actually don't think the coaches have time to implement the changes. This is not one of us, going to a proper coach that spots our many bio-mechanical faults, and can correct them in a week. This is gradual improvement (for Emma), and I don't think that 6 months are enough for the coaches to make a difference.
She has had the same number of coaches in one year that Rafa has had in his entire career. Or Pete. I don't know if the guys have been able to give her the total input in that time (her coach during the USO certainly did, but who knows what else he had left to teach her).
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:28 pm
Serious question. When did Serena have the same model? She has been with Moratogliuo so long I can't remember who her previous coach was.
The thing with Emma and the rotating coaches is that I actually don't think the coaches have time to implement the changes. This is not one of us, going to a proper coach that spots our many bio-mechanical faults, and can correct them in a week. This is gradual improvement (for Emma), and I don't think that 6 months are enough for the coaches to make a difference.
She has had the same number of coaches in one year that Rafa has had in his entire career. Or Pete. I don't know if the guys have been able to give her the total input in that time (her coach during the USO certainly did, but who knows what else he had left to teach her).
I assume people are talking about her parents being her official coaches and using coaches sporadically for bits and pieces, before she hired Mouratoglou in 2012, the back half of her career.
Guess there won't be a King Patrick movie. Both sisters unfollowed him on social media.
Coaching at this level is less about teaching tennis and more about putting the player in a winning position week after week, or for the right weeks. Getting the best out of the player at the right times. Some guidance at times.
I think the number of coaches - especially for a player in Raducanu's recent position - is overblown. Sometimes the coach is the one who wants to move on, or wants a trial period. Top coaches will always have more opportunities.
by ashkor87 Raducanu came out with an interesting semi-explanation today..says she needs, not so much coaching as sparring - players hit so hard nowadays..I am actually puzzled by that, if anyone handles pace well, it is Raducanu..and Leylah and Bencic and Kerber...
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:28 pm
Serious question. When did Serena have the same model? She has been with Moratogliuo so long I can't remember who her previous coach was.
The thing with Emma and the rotating coaches is that I actually don't think the coaches have time to implement the changes. This is not one of us, going to a proper coach that spots our many bio-mechanical faults, and can correct them in a week. This is gradual improvement (for Emma), and I don't think that 6 months are enough for the coaches to make a difference.
She has had the same number of coaches in one year that Rafa has had in his entire career. Or Pete. I don't know if the guys have been able to give her the total input in that time (her coach during the USO certainly did, but who knows what else he had left to teach her).
I assume people are talking about her parents being her official coaches and using coaches sporadically for bits and pieces, before she hired Mouratoglou in 2012, the back half of her career.
Guess there won't be a King Patrick movie. Both sisters unfollowed him on social media.
Coaching at this level is less about teaching tennis and more about putting the player in a winning position week after week, or for the right weeks. Getting the best out of the player at the right times. Some guidance at times.
I think the number of coaches - especially for a player in Raducanu's recent position - is overblown. Sometimes the coach is the one who wants to move on, or wants a trial period. Top coaches will always have more opportunities.
Yes, I am pointing out that Serena took on a coach only much later..initially, Richard Williams was her coach...
by meganfernandez
ashkor87 wrote:Raducanu came out with an interesting semi-explanation today..says she needs, not so much coaching as sparring - players hit so hard nowadays..I am actually puzzled by that, if anyone handles pace well, it is Raducanu..and Leylah and Bencic and Kerber...
So Torben Beltz doesn’t belt the ball? And you can always pick up a different hitting partner, anywhere you go. A coach is different than a sparring partner. I think she probably needs a coach, too. But what do I know…
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by ashkor87 Good point
by meganfernandez
ashkor87 wrote:Good point
Maybe he just didn’t want to.
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by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:43 pm
Raducanu came out with an interesting semi-explanation today..says she needs, not so much coaching as sparring - players hit so hard nowadays..I am actually puzzled by that, if anyone handles pace well, it is Raducanu..and Leylah and Bencic and Kerber...
That is kid of an odd statement. Sparring partners for WTA players are not hard to find. Get a good NCAA player and he can spar as well as anybody.
Side story.
Jana Novotna had her training partner. That was not her coach; it was the player that the coach asked to play in such way so that Novotna could practice. His name was Dante Mañoni, a Venezuelan guy that stalled at Futures/Challenger level. One day he was at the club I used to play in Caracas and was talking to some people, telling stories about his job and Novotna (he spoke glowingly of her). One person, jokingly, said: "So, have you ever taken even a set from her?". Mañoni replied: "Dude. The best she has ever done against me is a 4-6 set. It's a different level" (I am paraphrasing).
So I don't think it would be that hard for Emma to find players that will hit hard at her.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:43 pm
Raducanu came out with an interesting semi-explanation today..says she needs, not so much coaching as sparring - players hit so hard nowadays..I am actually puzzled by that, if anyone handles pace well, it is Raducanu..and Leylah and Bencic and Kerber...
That is kid of an odd statement. Sparring partners for WTA players are not hard to find. Get a good NCAA player and he can spar as well as anybody.
Side story.
Jana Novotna had her training partner. That was not her coach; it was the player that the coach asked to play in such way so that Novotna could practice. His name was Dante Mañoni, a Venezuelan guy that stalled at Futures/Challenger level. One day he was at the club I used to play in Caracas and was talking to some people, telling stories about his job and Novotna (he spoke glowingly of her). One person, jokingly, said: "So, have you ever taken even a set from her?". Mañoni replied: "Dude. The best she has ever done against me is a 4-6 set. It's a different level" (I am paraphrasing).
So I don't think it would be that hard for Emma to find players that will hit hard at her.
Not an issue at all. Big Sascha was Serena's hitting partner for years.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:43 pm
Raducanu came out with an interesting semi-explanation today..says she needs, not so much coaching as sparring - players hit so hard nowadays..I am actually puzzled by that, if anyone handles pace well, it is Raducanu..and Leylah and Bencic and Kerber...
That is kid of an odd statement. Sparring partners for WTA players are not hard to find. Get a good NCAA player and he can spar as well as anybody.
Side story.
Jana Novotna had her training partner. That was not her coach; it was the player that the coach asked to play in such way so that Novotna could practice. His name was Dante Mañoni, a Venezuelan guy that stalled at Futures/Challenger level. One day he was at the club I used to play in Caracas and was talking to some people, telling stories about his job and Novotna (he spoke glowingly of her). One person, jokingly, said: "So, have you ever taken even a set from her?". Mañoni replied: "Dude. The best she has ever done against me is a 4-6 set. It's a different level" (I am paraphrasing).
So I don't think it would be that hard for Emma to find players that will hit hard at her.
Not agreeing with Raducamu, just reporting.
Re Novotna, yes, Chris Evert used to play her brother all the time- never won a set. And he is only a teaching pro..it is a different game altogether
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:43 pm
Raducanu came out with an interesting semi-explanation today..says she needs, not so much coaching as sparring - players hit so hard nowadays..I am actually puzzled by that, if anyone handles pace well, it is Raducanu..and Leylah and Bencic and Kerber...
That is kid of an odd statement. Sparring partners for WTA players are not hard to find. Get a good NCAA player and he can spar as well as anybody.
Side story.
Jana Novotna had her training partner. That was not her coach; it was the player that the coach asked to play in such way so that Novotna could practice. His name was Dante Mañoni, a Venezuelan guy that stalled at Futures/Challenger level. One day he was at the club I used to play in Caracas and was talking to some people, telling stories about his job and Novotna (he spoke glowingly of her). One person, jokingly, said: "So, have you ever taken even a set from her?". Mañoni replied: "Dude. The best she has ever done against me is a 4-6 set. It's a different level" (I am paraphrasing).
So I don't think it would be that hard for Emma to find players that will hit hard at her.
Not agreeing with Raducamu, just reporting.
Re Novotna, yes, Chris Evert used to play her brother all the time- never won a set. And he is only a teaching pro..it is a different game altogether
I know you’re not agreeing with Raducanu. didn’t mean to suggest you are.
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by Deuce Maybe Delgado told Denis that he behaves like an immature ass too often, and Denis replied with "STFU!!! That's it - I can't handle this - you're fired!"
Felix really needs to become a father figure for Denis - even though Felix is younger.
In terms of behaviour, Felix is 47 years old, and Denis is 12.
by JazzNU Denis isn't my favorite, and part of that is his attitude, so I don't say this lightly, but he was acting like a special brand of asshole during his match.
I assume Jamie can get another coaching job, and I can't say that's a bad thing for him if Denis keeps this energy at any other time. Must be exhausting.
by ponchi101 Same for me for Dennis. I could really like his game; the BH is beautiful and I like the serve. But the whinny, little, entitled brat attitude kills any enthusiasm for him. By now, I root for his opponent almost always (Djokovic and Medvedev are the exceptions).
by JazzNU Diego Moyano is Coco's newish coach. He was sitting to the right of Coco's dad today. Looks like he joined around Madrid or thereabouts. I'm not familiar with him, but he was previously Kevin Anderson's coach. Looks like he has roots in the USTA and has coached a few other US men's players as well.
A guy that has been living in the USA for a long time, right?
by JazzNU
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:49 pm
A guy that has been living in the USA for a long time, right?
Since Dmitry was a young teenager for sure and he's got to be 40 by now. Maybe he moved back to Russia in recent years? In the past, he's been described as a California boy and if you've ever heard him speak, I'm serious when I say, I tend to think Kenin speaks with a stronger Russian accent than he does.
Wonder what visa problem he's having. UK isn't banning Russians from entry to visit or work there, which has been a large part of the backlash that Wimbledon has faced. But maybe countries are slow rolling the visa approvals for Russian passports even if they aren't outright banned.
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by mmmm8
JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:27 pmWonder what visa problem he's having. UK isn't banning Russians from entry to visit or work there, which has been a large part of the backlash that Wimbledon has faced. But maybe countries are slow rolling the visa approvals for Russian passports even if they aren't outright banned.
Most countries that have sanctioned Russia have stopped or limited consular processes within the country - so you can't get a visa processed even if eligible. For example, although Russians aren't banned from the EU, it is virtually impossible to get a new visa, only a couple countries are still processing them.
I did think Tursunov had US Permanent Residency, but he hasn't been living in the US for some time - he was married for some years to a jewelry designer who is based in Dubai and has a kid. So he may have lost the green card.
by Suliso And even if he still had it can US permanent residents travel to EU visa free? I'd think that's only for citizens.
by mmmm8
Suliso wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:52 pm
And even if he still had it can US permanent residents travel to EU visa free? I'd think that's only for citizens.
You're right of course, big brain fart here.
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by ti-amie Leos Friedl will now coach Pliskova. He worked with her last US Open when Bajin was having visa problems.
This one suggests it was Wisette who left? Can't be sure, maybe reading too much into some headline
by ponchi101 It is not totally clear, bur being him the one that made the announcement, it would seem the default setting.
by meganfernandez Big Sascha has a great interview on the new episode of the Craig Shapiro Podcast. Said the he had to make Osaka do embarrassing things in public to get over her self-consciousness on court, that he and Serena are on good terms, and that he would love to work with Raducanu (he’s not worried about the turnover). And Anisimova.
Also, he won’t take another gig until the after the US Open - he has had offers - and will hit with anyone for free on Sundays in Miami. When and where TBA. So if you live nearby or want to meet me there…
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meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:52 pm
Big Sascha has a great interview on the new episode of the Craig Shapiro Podcast. Said the Osaka firing was a surprise and all her, that he and Serena are on good terms, and that he would love to work with Raducanu (he’s not worried about the turnover). And Anisimova.
Also, he won’t take another gig until the after the US Open - he has had offers - and will hit with anyone for free on Sundays in Miami. When and where TBA. So if you live nearby or want to meet me there…
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Is he willing to take on a Junior unknown ?
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Cuckoo4Coco wrote:
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:52 pm
Big Sascha has a great interview on the new episode of the Craig Shapiro Podcast. Said the Osaka firing was a surprise and all her, that he and Serena are on good terms, and that he would love to work with Raducanu (he’s not worried about the turnover). And Anisimova.
Also, he won’t take another gig until the after the US Open - he has had offers - and will hit with anyone for free on Sundays in Miami. When and where TBA. So if you live nearby or want to meet me there…
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Is he willing to take on a Junior unknown ?
Wouldnt hurt to ask. go to Miami! I am seriously thinking about going. What a fun opportunity.
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:52 pm
Big Sascha has a great interview on the new episode of the Craig Shapiro Podcast. Said the Osaka firing was a surprise and all her, that he and Serena are on good terms, and that he would love to work with Raducanu (he’s not worried about the turnover). And Anisimova.
Also, he won’t take another gig until the after the US Open - he has had offers - and will hit with anyone for free on Sundays in Miami. When and where TBA. So if you live nearby or want to meet me there…
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Is he willing to take on a Junior unknown ?
Wouldnt hurt to ask. go to Miami! I am seriously thinking about going. What a fun opportunity.
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:32 pm
Wouldnt hurt to ask. go to Miami! I am seriously thinking about going. What a fun opportunity.
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I would have to do it before school starts.
It’s on Sunday!
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Tomorrow? Don't know if mom can get a flight on that quick notice. I will ask her and I know she will look at me weird.
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meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:52 pm
Big Sascha has a great interview on the new episode of the Craig Shapiro Podcast. Said the he had to make Osaka do embarrassing things in public to get over her self-consciousness on court, that he and Serena are on good terms, and that he would love to work with Raducanu (he’s not worried about the turnover). And Anisimova.
Also, he won’t take another gig until the after the US Open - he has had offers - and will hit with anyone for free on Sundays in Miami. When and where TBA. So if you live nearby or want to meet me there…
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I always think of him as a wannabe..Osaka, I heard, fired him because he was taking too much credit for her success..he thought Serena should promote him to coach but she wouldn't so he jumped ship...all gossip, of course, but reasonably credible.
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ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 1:00 am
I always think of him as a wannabe..Osaka, I heard, fired him because he was taking too much credit for her success..he thought Serena should promote him to coach but she wouldn't so he jumped ship...all gossip, of course, but reasonably credible.
I think that's a completely fair decision considering he went on to successfully coach. Nothing wrong with advancing your career, there is no reason he needed to stay as her hitting partner.
I do think he likes attention but he also does seem to build good relationships and be an effective coach.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 1:00 am
I always think of him as a wannabe..Osaka, I heard, fired him because he was taking too much credit for her success..he thought Serena should promote him to coach but she wouldn't so he jumped ship...all gossip, of course, but reasonably credible.
I think that's a completely fair decision considering he went on to successfully coach. Nothing wrong with advancing your career, there is no reason he needed to stay as her hitting partner.
I do think he likes attention but he also does seem to build good relationships and be an effective coach.
Podcast link:
It is totally fair, and he said he wasn't growing anymore and wanted new challenges. My big takeaway from the interview was that he seriously cares about coaching and succeeding. His path lay elsewhere at that time he split with Serena, and it was a good decision.
A few other things:
--He turns down a lot of money to wear a hat in the player's box. Never has, never will. He wants the player to be able to see his face and connect.
--He's not close with Serena and Venus. He and Serena caught up in Eastbourne after a long time, and it was a nice private chat, but it doesn't sound like they keep in touch.
--He respects Patrick's success and said they worked together well, but it doesn't sound like Patrick is his coaching hero.
--Sascha describes himself as extremely anti-social. Doesn't have any friends where he lives, in Miami, and doesn't pal around with other coaches on tour.
--He hooked up with Serena when she was looking for a hitting partner and he fit the bill. A mutual friend brought up his name. She went to Germany to hit with him for four days, then he packed his bags and moved in with her and Venus (and a couple other women - he said their names, but I didn't recognize them - one's probably a trainer). The first morning, he opened his bedroom door, feeling very self-conscious, and stepped in dog poop. One of their dogs had left him a present.
--He says he has only been fired twice - Naomi and Karolina. The other times, it was his decision. Says he's on good terms with Karolina. He thinks the injury probably led to their split. It has been a tough recovery, partly because this is the first time she has had a major injury like this (he says) and it's been frustrating for her (something to remember when we say she, or anyone else, is washed up... we rarely know the full story). They couldn't practice serves, couldn't hit volleys, and maybe he got blamed for the bad results or she just wanted to switch something she could control. He doesn't know for sure, but these were some of his musings. Agents or managers do the firing, and Karolina followed up with a lovely message to him, and there are no hard feelings.
--I was reminded that he helped get Wozniacki back to the top in 2017, when she made (and lost) seven finals (credit for the resiliency) and won the WTA Championships, which no doubt gave her some confidence to win the Australian a few months later. He didn't allude to this or anything, but I had forgotten that he worked with Wozniacki then. That was a big year for her.
--Said he believed in Mlandenovic more than she believed in herself, and she made excuses. He can't work with excuses.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 1:00 am
I always think of him as a wannabe..Osaka, I heard, fired him because he was taking too much credit for her success..he thought Serena should promote him to coach but she wouldn't so he jumped ship...all gossip, of course, but reasonably credible.
I think that's a completely fair decision considering he went on to successfully coach. Nothing wrong with advancing your career, there is no reason he needed to stay as her hitting partner.
I do think he likes attention but he also does seem to build good relationships and be an effective coach.
I don't know how effective a coach with self-doubt and zero confidence could be
(JOKING, Sunday morning Ponchi's a*****e-ness)
by Cuckoo4Coco I love my coach and he has been with me since I was 7 years old. He will probably stay as my coach until I head off to college and then after college I will see where I am at with my tennis and make my decision from there in the future of a coach or not.
by ti-amieEXCLUSIVE: Emma Raducanu will team up with Russian coach Dmitry Tursunov as she prepares to defend her US Open title next month... and success for the British No 1 could see him stay with her beyond Flushing Meadows
Emma Raducanu will be assisted by Dmitry Tursunov ahead of US Open
Raducanu is looking to defend her title but she has been plagued by injuries
In his playing days the Russian won the Davis Cup and reached World No 20
The Moscow-born coach has helped Anett Kontaveit and Aryna Sabalenka
Tursunov was also the last player to be beaten by Tim Henman at a Grand Slam
By MIKE DICKSON FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 17:00 EDT, 27 July 2022 | UPDATED: 17:11 EDT, 27 July 2022
Emma Raducanu has turned to a Russian coach to guide her as she begins preparations for her US Open title defence next month.
The Kent teenager is working with former Davis Cup player Dmitry Tursunov, who will be with her when she returns to action next week at the Citi Open in Washington DC.
If their initial spell together – which was confirmed to Sportsmail by her management - goes well he will take her through the coming North American swing of the main tour. A year ago saw her playing lower tier tournaments before exploding to prominence at Flushing Meadows.
Tursunov is a former world number 20, who has had considerable success with clients on the circuit since retiring as a player in 2017.
Most recently he took current Anett Kontaveit of Estonia into the world’s top five before they split after this year’s French Open.
He has also worked with another top five player in Aryna Sabalenka of Belarus, plus world doubles number one Elena Vesnina and Russian Aslan Karatsev from the ATP Tour.
Raducanu, always happy to take advice from wide-ranging sources, has not had a full-time coach since she finished with German coach Torben Beltz in late April.
In the intervening period she has received guidance from a number of figures, such as Canadian Louis Cayer, Head of the Lawn Tennis Association’s women’s division Iain Bates, and during Wimbledon former LTA coach Jane O’ Donoghue.
During an extremely solid career on the ATP Tour Dmitry Tursunov always had a reputation for being a something of a character and practical joker.
He wrote a well-followed blog entitled Tursunov Tales, detailing life on the circuit and the things he would get up to, such as hiding Roger Federer’s racket bag before a match.
After reaching number 20 in the world he has gone on to enjoy success in coaching. As he put it in a recent interview with tennis.com: ‘Sometimes I enjoy acting like an idiot, but I really know what I’m talking about and I’m passionate about it.’
Born in Moscow 39 years ago, the sport has been his life since moving to the United States at the age of twelve to pursue his dreams.
He now has the serious task of trying to take on US Open winner Raducanu, who since dramatically winning the Flushing Meadows title has shown only brief flashes of that form.
His coaching style is said to be forthright, but it has produced excellent results for aggressive baseliners Kontaveit and Sabalenka.
Raducanu has been hindered by repetitive injuries, which have highlighted the fact that she missed out on some physical development while focussing on completing her school education.
A side strain suffered at Nottingham almost kept her out of Wimbledon where, looking underpowered, she was well beaten by France’s Caroline Garcia in the second round.
Since then she has kept a decidedly low profile, but Sportsmail understands that earlier this month she travelled out to the IMG Academy in Bradenton, Florida.
Much of the work she has done there has been of a purely physical nature, as she attempts to catch up with that side of the game ahead of what is a crucial run of tournaments.
All being well she is likely to play in Washington, the Canadian Open and Cincinnati before heading to New York. There she will have to defend a mammoth 2,040 ranking points, adding to the pressure already of being the defending champion.
Tursunov has the job of trying to further extract the undoubted potential of the British number one, who currently stands at number ten in the world.
In the sometimes confusing carousel of WTA coaching, he is working with Raducanu while his last player, Kontaveit, has hired Torben Beltz, who was dispensed with by the GB player back in April.
The Russian – who was the last player Tim Henman beat at a Grand Slam before retiring in 2007 – would not have been barred from Wimbledon this year, as the ban only extended to players and media.
During the tennis.com interview he gave a hint of what Raducanu can expect: ‘You need to have the other person agree with the process, and you have to find better ways of communicating and getting your point across. And, of course, players are quite sensitive - they're one of the best in their fields. It's about showing them they have room to improve.’
ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:15 pmEXCLUSIVE: Emma Raducanu will team up with Russian coach Dmitry Tursunov as she prepares to defend her US Open title next month... and success for the British No 1 could see him stay with her beyond Flushing Meadows
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Translation. He won't be with her after the USO because it will not be a success.
But he has proven he is a good coach. If he guides her to a QF, to me, that will be a huge success.
ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:15 pmEXCLUSIVE: Emma Raducanu will team up with Russian coach Dmitry Tursunov as she prepares to defend her US Open title next month... and success for the British No 1 could see him stay with her beyond Flushing Meadows
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Translation. He won't be with her after the USO because it will not be a success.
But he has proven he is a good coach. If he guides her to a QF, to me, that will be a huge success.
The thing is, What will be a success after last years championship run? It is really hard to beat that run of last year. That is bound to be a failure. You have always mentioned goals to me and I think this is a good place for both of them to have goals. It may not be realistic to say , "Oh you are going to repeat as Us Open Champion." Sure that would be awesome, but like you say what are some goals to have to make it a successful relationship.
by ponchi101 I just said it. A QF appearance will be hugely successful. 4R is fine. 3R is on the edge. 1R or 2R and well, that is not what she should expect.
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ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:15 pmEXCLUSIVE: Emma Raducanu will team up with Russian coach Dmitry Tursunov as she prepares to defend her US Open title next month... and success for the British No 1 could see him stay with her beyond Flushing Meadows
Tursunov was also the last player to be beaten by Tim Henman at a Grand Slam
You know this is a British article when.....
Guess someone got his visas sorted.
by Cuckoo4Coco
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:28 pm
I just said it. A QF appearance will be hugely successful. 4R is fine. 3R is on the edge. 1R or 2R and well, that is not what she should expect.
I think she is a 4th Round or Quarter Finalist this year at the USO.
by meganfernandez
Cuckoo4Coco wrote:
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:28 pm
I just said it. A QF appearance will be hugely successful. 4R is fine. 3R is on the edge. 1R or 2R and well, that is not what she should expect.
I think she is a 4th Round or Quarter Finalist this year at the USO.
I worry about the pressure to defend her points and just not having any confidence from match wins.
I disagree with expectations to win a couple rounds - or anything. She’s adjusting to a major life and career change, and she has shown that she isn’t developed enough to play at her US Open level very often. No shame in that. She’ll get there. So for me, zero expectations. No such thing as failure in her case.
Surprised by the choice of Tursanov, but maybe they clicked. That’s most important.
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:28 pm
I just said it. A QF appearance will be hugely successful. 4R is fine. 3R is on the edge. 1R or 2R and well, that is not what she should expect.
I think she is a 4th Round or Quarter Finalist this year at the USO.
I worry about the pressure to defend her points and just not having any confidence from match wins.
I disagree with expectations to win a couple rounds - or anything. She’s adjusting to a major life and career change, and she has shown that she isn’t developed enough to play at her US Open level very often. No shame in that. She’ll get there. So for me, zero expectations. No such thing as failure in her case.
Surprised by the choice of Tursanov, but maybe they clicked. That’s most important.
Does that mean you think she will lose in the 1st Round or just the expectations with the new coach? I agree she goes in with the new coach and develops something together and sees what happens. I don't know if one major is enough time to really develop and connect enough. They need much more time together to really see if it works.
by ti-amie Tursunov worked wonders with Kontaveit and Sabalenka if I remember correctly. The only thing here is that he's coming in late and I'm not sure Raducanu will be as receptive as the other two players were. He will have to rebuild her physically and mentally and the US Open is weeks away. My guess is that they will give her as soft a draw as they can get away with so she can make at least the third round. They won't be able to protect her much after that.
I guess he's stopped trembling with fear because he knows when he'll be fired?
by Deuce
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 1:27 am
I worry about the pressure to defend her points and just not having any confidence from match wins.
I disagree with expectations to win a couple rounds - or anything. She’s adjusting to a major life and career change, and she has shown that she isn’t developed enough to play at her US Open level very often. No shame in that. She’ll get there. So for me, zero expectations. No such thing as failure in her case.
^ There will be massive expectations from the media and from fans whether she likes it or not.
I guess he's stopped trembling with fear because he knows when he'll be fired?
^ Money has a way to stop trembling.
by Suliso I think it's a R1 loss for Raducanu unless the draw is particularly soft. In that case R2 exit.
by ashkor87 I wonder why almost all coaches are male...I was thrilled when Murray chose Mauresmo, even if it didn't work out much...I hope to see the day when women coaches abound , and succeed. Conchita did it, why not others?!
by Cuckoo4Coco
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:59 am
I wonder why almost all coaches are male...I was thrilled when Murray chose Mauresmo, even if it didn't work out much...I hope to see the day when women coaches abound , and succeed. Conchita did it, why not others?!
I don't see why they couldn't be. If they study the game and have the skills why not?
by ponchi101
Suliso wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:58 am
I think it's a R1 loss for Raducanu unless the draw is particularly soft. In that case R2 exit.
Yes. Can't see her going further than that. And if she draws a Camila Osorio, Alize, Naomi, Bianca, Tauson, Pera or many of the dangerous non-seeds, it will be over quickly.
And start building from scratch. Which can work.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:59 am
I wonder why almost all coaches are male...I was thrilled when Murray chose Mauresmo, even if it didn't work out much...I hope to see the day when women coaches abound , and succeed. Conchita did it, why not others?!
I don't see why they couldn't be. If they study the game and have the skills why not?
Remember we talked a bit about it? A player like Wozniacki simply would not want to be a coach. You can count out Serena or Venus; they will have much more interesting things to do. Several players will also choose the family route.
Yes, I would like to see more female coaches, but it seems to me women decide to have different lives. Even Mauresmo dropped out of that lifestyle, and went to other venues. If it is their professional choice, be it.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:59 am
I wonder why almost all coaches are male...I was thrilled when Murray chose Mauresmo, even if it didn't work out much...I hope to see the day when women coaches abound , and succeed. Conchita did it, why not others?!
I don't see why they couldn't be. If they study the game and have the skills why not?
Remember we talked a bit about it? A player like Wozniacki simply would not want to be a coach. You can count out Serena or Venus; they will have much more interesting things to do. Several players will also choose the family route.
Yes, I would like to see more female coaches, but it seems to me women decide to have different lives. Even Mauresmo dropped out of that lifestyle, and went to other venues. If it is their professional choice, be it.
I understand if women decide after playing to go the route of starting a family that is really awesome and they should be able to choose that if they want, but they also shouldn't be looked at as any less of an option if they want to go the route of a tennis coach than a male.
by ponchi101 Agree. But that is a personal hiring. If any WTA player is adamant on a male coach, that is her prerogative. I don't see how you could lead what amount to private contractors to contract somebody in a position that is so personally involved.
by Cuckoo4Coco
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:39 pm
Agree. But that is a personal hiring. If any WTA player is adamant on a male coach, that is her prerogative. I don't see how you could lead what amount to private contractors to contract somebody in a position that is so personally involved.
A WTA player can have a male coach. That is no problem at all. It comes down to what works for the player. The same goes for an ATP player really.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:59 am
I wonder why almost all coaches are male...I was thrilled when Murray chose Mauresmo, even if it didn't work out much...I hope to see the day when women coaches abound , and succeed. Conchita did it, why not others?!
I don't see why they couldn't be. If they study the game and have the skills why not?
Remember we talked a bit about it? A player like Wozniacki simply would not want to be a coach. You can count out Serena or Venus; they will have much more interesting things to do. Several players will also choose the family route.
Yes, I would like to see more female coaches, but it seems to me women decide to have different lives. Even Mauresmo dropped out of that lifestyle, and went to other venues. If it is their professional choice, be it.
The very top players aren't going to coach, but that leaves thousands of former tour and college players, for starters. I don't think they are all opting out. It's a lack of opportunity. They have a harder time getting into the pipeline for experience and probably have a tougher proving ground. Women don't get the benefit of the doubt in sports and careers. It's a shame. I'm sure many women would make fantastic coaches.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:59 am
I wonder why almost all coaches are male...I was thrilled when Murray chose Mauresmo, even if it didn't work out much...I hope to see the day when women coaches abound , and succeed. Conchita did it, why not others?!
I don't see why they couldn't be. If they study the game and have the skills why not?
Remember we talked a bit about it? A player like Wozniacki simply would not want to be a coach. You can count out Serena or Venus; they will have much more interesting things to do. Several players will also choose the family route.
Yes, I would like to see more female coaches, but it seems to me women decide to have different lives. Even Mauresmo dropped out of that lifestyle, and went to other venues. If it is their professional choice, be it.
It actually wouldn't surprise me very much if Venus went on to coach.
I don't see why they couldn't be. If they study the game and have the skills why not?
Remember we talked a bit about it? A player like Wozniacki simply would not want to be a coach. You can count out Serena or Venus; they will have much more interesting things to do. Several players will also choose the family route.
Yes, I would like to see more female coaches, but it seems to me women decide to have different lives. Even Mauresmo dropped out of that lifestyle, and went to other venues. If it is their professional choice, be it.
It actually wouldn't surprise me very much if Venus went on to coach.
Based on her love for the game? Maybe in her own academy or limited environment. She loves to compete but she hasn’t shown any interest in teaching (except fitness). She loves business.
by JTContinental That, and her tennis mind. She has always seemed more likely to me than Serena to hang around the scene after retirement (I can maybe see her in the broadcasting booth), with her involvement with the players' association, etc.
by ponchi101 BJK cup captain the moment she raises her hand. That is for sure.
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote:BJK cup captain the moment she raises her hand. That is for sure.
Sure, if she wanted it. I could see maaaaybe commentating on occasion. It seems to me that Venus doesn’t really embrace the tennis establishment. Whatever she does would be on her terms. Not sure what that would be.
ponchi101 wrote:BJK cup captain the moment she raises her hand. That is for sure.
Sure, if she wanted it. I could see maaaaybe commentating on occasion. It seems to me that Venus doesn’t really embrace the tennis establishment. Whatever she does would be on her terms. Not sure what that would be.
I think someone like Venus and Serena have earned the right to do whatever they what on their own terms in the tennis world. Same goes for recently retired Ash Barty. If say down the road she decides to work with Aussie kids she can do it on her own terms and not with tennis and Australian Tennis breathing down her neck because she earned that. She can do whatever she wants to do and really she showed the game already that she was going to do just that by retiring at such an early age at the top of her game.
by ponchi101 The Ashley Barty Tennis Academy would be an immediate success.
The Ash Barty Tennis and Cricket Academy even more.
The ABT&C would be such an easy think to market, too.
ponchi101 wrote:BJK cup captain the moment she raises her hand. That is for sure.
Sure, if she wanted it. I could see maaaaybe commentating on occasion. It seems to me that Venus doesn’t really embrace the tennis establishment. Whatever she does would be on her terms. Not sure what that would be.
I think Serena would be much more likely to do commentary
ponchi101 wrote:BJK cup captain the moment she raises her hand. That is for sure.
Sure, if she wanted it. I could see maaaaybe commentating on occasion. It seems to me that Venus doesn’t really embrace the tennis establishment. Whatever she does would be on her terms. Not sure what that would be.
I think Serena would be much more likely to do commentary
Both the Williams sisters seem to be really outspoken about a lot of things and especially tennis, but Serena seems even more than Venus.
by ashkor87 so Coco finally has a real, actual coach - Diego Morano.. good to see, she needs one. Patrick M is more like a mentor than a coach.. he has many people to look after, including Halep and Tsitsipas..
by meganfernandez
ashkor87 wrote:so Coco finally has a real, actual coach - Diego Morano.. good to see, she needs one. Patrick M is more like a mentor than a coach.. he has many people to look after, including Halep and Tsitsipas..
Yeah I don’t think Patrick M was ever her coach, was he? She attended his academy. I don’t know if she was his private student. Maybe for a time. Same with Stefanos. Not sure if he was a student or just trains there. Maybe they worked together at times but i never heard that Patrick was his coach.
Holger Rune is another Mouratoglou person.
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by JazzNU
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:37 am
so Coco finally has a real, actual coach - Diego Morano.. good to see, she needs one. Patrick M is more like a mentor than a coach.. he has many people to look after, including Halep and Tsitsipas..
It's Diego Moyano. He's been coaching Coco since the middle of the clay court season, I posted it about it during the French Open. He previously coached Kevin Anderson.
Remember we talked a bit about it? A player like Wozniacki simply would not want to be a coach. You can count out Serena or Venus; they will have much more interesting things to do. Several players will also choose the family route.
Yes, I would like to see more female coaches, but it seems to me women decide to have different lives. Even Mauresmo dropped out of that lifestyle, and went to other venues. If it is their professional choice, be it.
It actually wouldn't surprise me very much if Venus went on to coach.
Based on her love for the game? Maybe in her own academy or limited environment. She loves to compete but she hasn’t shown any interest in teaching (except fitness). She loves business.
No, JT got this right. It wouldn't be surprising if Venus went on to coach and saying she hasn't shown interest in teaching is completely inaccurate. Not exactly a hard thing to know about her if you just follow her off-court in any small way.
by JazzNU So, I didn't see any mention of this. Is everyone just going to ignore that Dmitry Tursunov looks like he lied to Anett Kontaveit to get out of that coaching agreement in order to coach Emma? Because that sure as hell seems to be the case unless I'm missing something. Clearly there weren't actual visa problems and Anett has the better reputation so I would be hard pressed to think she was lying about the reasons for the split.
by Suliso
JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:34 pm
So, I didn't see any mention of this. Is everyone just going to ignore that Dmitry Tursunov looks like he lied to Anett Kontaveit to get out of that coaching agreement in order to coach Emma? Because that sure as hell seems to be the case unless I'm missing something. Clearly there weren't actual visa problems and Anett has the better reputation so I would be hard pressed to think she was lying about the reasons for the split.
I agree, but because of the war there might have been some public pressure in Estonia to not work with a Russian coach.
by meganfernandez Speaking of Tursanov… Big Sascha has publicly said he’s interested. And not at all bothered by all the coaching changes.
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by ti-amie
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:05 pm
Speaking of Tursanov… Big Sascha has publicly said he’s interested. And not at all bothered by all the coaching changes.
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by ponchi101 If you change coaches that fast, you are not being coached. You are having a brief conversation.
Very odd approach.
by Deuce Come on, people... All this talk about Emma's coaches constantly being 'fired' is pure gossip. There's no way that these coaches are 'fired' in the sense of being surprised by it. If that were the case, no-one would bite.
It is surely done in some kind of amicable manner - perhaps even via mutual agreement...
by ti-amie
by JazzNU
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:05 pm
Speaking of Tursanov… Big Sascha has publicly said he’s interested. And not at all bothered by all the coaching changes.
Sascha isn't coaching anyone right now though, correct? Because seems like it's one thing to not be coaching someone and then take her on for a few weeks and then get a real contract with another player and quite the other to leave a coaching relationship thinking this one will last for a bit and getting ditched after a few weeks despite good results.
This stint with Tursunov, if true, shows how little structure there is to these decisions in Emma's camp. It's not like 6 weeks or 3 months or the summer hardcourt season or something more concrete and planned. It seems like quite the scatterbrain approach.
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:05 pm
Speaking of Tursanov… Big Sascha has publicly said he’s interested. And not at all bothered by all the coaching changes.
Sascha isn't coaching anyone right now though, correct? Because seems like it's one thing to not be coaching someone and then take her on for a few weeks and then get a real contract with another player and quite the other to leave a coaching relationship thinking this one will last for a bit and getting ditched after a few weeks despite good results.
This stint with Tursunov, if true, shows how little structure there is to these decisions in Emma's camp. It's not like 6 weeks or 3 months or the summer hardcourt season or something more concrete and planned. It seems like quite the scatterbrain approach.
Sascha isn't coaching anyone right now. Yes, that's an apples to oranges situation, unless the existing coaching relationship was already fraying. I don't think the Tursunov think is confirmed. Just a rumor, although a credible one.
by ti-amie
But will he listen this time?
by JazzNU
ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:36 pm
But will he listen this time?
by ponchi101 half serious/half jerky/half idiot question (yes, 3/2 question, because it is me). Who is more spoiled: Shapo or Stefanos?
by ti-amie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:18 am
half serious/half jerky/half idiot question (yes, 3/2 question, because it is me). Who is more spoiled: Shapo or Stefanos?
When Youhzny came aboard the first time, it made a significant positive difference for Denis.
We'll see what happens this time. One thing for sure is that Denis needs something.
by JazzNU
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:18 am
half serious/half jerky/half idiot question (yes, 3/2 question, because it is me). Who is more spoiled: Shapo or Stefanos?
I think I'd go with Stefanos are the more spoiled one, but I'd say Shapo is probably more entitled. Neither is appealing.
by AcesAnnie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:18 am
half serious/half jerky/half idiot question (yes, 3/2 question, because it is me). Who is more spoiled: Shapo or Stefanos?
That is a really tough question, I am leaning Shapo only because I think Stefanos tries to hide it a lot. We see right through it, but he still tries. Shapo it is right out there.
by JazzNU I see what you mean to a certain extent with him trying to hide it a bit more but that's strictly on court, and it's also so unsuccessful. Off court, he's openly begging for his daddy and whining about it's not fair like a spoiled brat for sure. And it still spills out on court for him at times. He has the more memorable spats with his dad in-match, whereas I feel like Shapo's got more memorable spats with umpires.
by JazzNU Changing gears, I didn't realize that Sara Sorribes Tormo was coached by Silvia Soler Espinosa. I've watched a decent number of her matches, but since that one tournament in Mexico where she did good and the screaming got seriously out of control and she's continued it to a certain extent, I definitely have to go mute when watching her sometimes, so maybe it's mentioned often by commentators and I just miss it.
by JazzNU Interesting....Temporary arrangement or back together officially?
by meganfernandez I'm interested to see. Wonder if he thinks she really still has the potential to be a top player and challenge for Slams.
JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:50 pm
Interesting....Temporary arrangement or back together officially?
by ti-amie Everyone has bills to pay and needs to put food on their table.
by ponchi101 Indeed. If you are a coach, you have to be out there coaching. Otherwise, how do you make money?
by JazzNU
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:39 pm
Indeed. If you are a coach, you have to be out there coaching. Otherwise, how do you make money?
In Sascha's case, he would do it by trading on Serena's name...
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote:Indeed. If you are a coach, you have to be out there coaching. Otherwise, how do you make money?
He says he does nothing but work. Doesn’t have friends, doesn’t go out. I bet he has enough money socked away from the Serena days to wait for the right opportunity. Maybe he really likes Yastremska - like, is on good terms, has fond feelings - and wanted to help her. Wanted to be in NY this week anyway. Money doesn’t hurt. Who knows.
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by ashkor87 Interesting that Tiafoe has a South African coach...
by ashkor87 Ferrero vs Ferreira
by ponchi101 I think Ferreira has been a great choice for Tiafoe. He has improved his on court attitude a lot.
by dryrunguy
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:35 am
I think Ferreira has been a great choice for Tiafoe. He has improved his on court attitude a lot.
As long as Frances doesn't decide to duplicate Ferreira's serve... Agreed. He's done a lot of good for Frances. I'm also thrilled that Frances went outside of what historically has been the usual U.S. tennis coaching model.
by meganfernandez Didn't know Stepanek is coaching Sebi Korda, or that Petr Korda coached Stepanek for a long time. Sebi says Stepanek's like a big brother to him.
by ponchi101 You know? I think that is a very good choice. Stepanek won a lot of matches he had no business winning, and he has a very good tennis sense around the entire court. Especially at the net; he was underrated there (well, he was underrated everywhere).
I think he might help Sebi improve the little bit he needs to make it top 25 on a permanent basis.
by ti-amie
by Deuce Just last year, I saw Nigel Sears on a practice court coaching Cirstea on how and when to 'fist pump'...
There was the time a few years ago that Cirstea asked the chair umpire to give her own coach a warning because she felt that he was talking and gesturing to her too much (she didn't seem to realize that if a warning was given, it would penalize HER, not her coach). See below.
Thomas Johansson is a good guy. Very quiet and mild mannered.
I can only wish him good luck with this one, and say that I hope he doesn't last long. There have got to be better gigs available.
by ti-amie Oh I am so glad someone else has a negative opinion about Ms Cirstea.
by ponchi101 I like her. And Johanson. I hope they do well.
by Deuce I've wanted to like her...
I've tried to like her...
But there are just too many incidents.
I don't despise her or anything - I just think she's a handful, and I really don't think that Johansson's personality is a good matchup. She needs someone who can give her crap right back to her - Thomas is not that person.
(I also think that she is chameleon-like in her appearance, often looking quite different than before, much like Svitolina.)
There was the time she physically shoved a chair umpire...
by ti-amie
Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:32 am
I've wanted to like her...
I've tried to like her...
But there are just too many incidents.
I don't despise her or anything - I just think she's a handful, and I really don't think that Johansson's personality is a good matchup. She needs someone who can give her crap right back to her - Thomas is not that person.
(I also think that she is chameleon-like in her appearance, often looking quite different than before, much like Svitolina.)
There was the time she physically shoved a chair umpire...
And nothing was done about it either.
by ti-amie
by ponchi101 Assorted jobs with more security that Emma Raducanu's coach:
Komodo dragon trainer.
Human cannonball test pilot.
Blind land-mine sweeper.
Rodeo clown/Moonshine taster (concurrent).
Vladimir Putin's military advisor.
Donald Trump Lawyer.
C4/Semtex "New applications" developer.
Why would anybody take the job right now, I don't know.
by ti-amie
It's not what you do it's how you do it.
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:57 pm
Assorted jobs with more security that Emma Raducanu's coach:
Komodo dragon trainer.
Human cannonball test pilot.
Blind land-mine sweeper.
Rodeo clown/Moonshine taster (concurrent).
Vladimir Putin's military advisor.
Donald Trump Lawyer.
C4/Semtex "New applications" developer.
Why would anybody take the job right now, I don't know.
A giant signing bonus? What is there to lose?
It's possible that job security isn't a big factor for top tennis coaches. They know it might not work out, and there's only one way to know if it's a good fit. Sascha Bajin said he's interested and the coaching turnover doesn't bother him at all; he's confident in his skills, but if it didn't work out, fine, move on. Given the recent history, a potential coach might ask for some severance built into the contract, or a minimum salary guarantee, or a favorable buyout clause.
Whatever's causing the situations to not work out might be cause for concern, depending on what it is. I'm sure they all know. Word gets around.
by ti-amie Someone in her camp thinks they can pick and choose what they want her to learn at a given time and choose a coach accordingly. The problem is that instead of her developing a solid mental approach in how she plays she's got a zillion "do this do that" methods in her head and has no idea how to adapt to what any given player is doing against her. I wish I could find a pic of Tursunov's face during her most recent match.
by ponchi101 If it were something like: "This coach is good at THIS, so will teach you just that", I see no issues. Pete Fisher did that with Sampras, sending him to different coaches to learn different bits. If they are doing a "systems engineering" approach, fine.
But I don't know if that is the philosophy, because Fisher used it on a teenage Sampras. Not a full time pro.
(I know she is still technically a teenager, but, you get my point).
by Deuce In 2 or 3 years, it will be revealed that 'Emma Raducanu' is not the name of a tennis player, but is, in fact, the name of a 'reality show'...
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by JazzNU Not sure either of these are long term, but interesting pairings.
Can't imagine a world where Dmitry lasts long with Belinda unless she's matured significantly in the last few years, but we shall see.
Sascha with Alona could be very interesting. But she hasn't lasted all that long with coaches, so let's see what happens, but there are things that he has been known to focus on that really might make a big difference in fine tuning her game to get more consistency.
by meganfernandez
JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 5:13 pm
Sascha with Alona could be very interesting. But she hasn't lasted all that long with coaches, so let's see what happens, but there are things that he has been known to focus on that really might make a big difference in fine tuning her game to get more consistency.
This is surprising. I thought he would have a lot of options, and he wants to coach someone to championship form. Maybe he really thinks he can help her do that. Maybe they get along well and are friends. Maybe the terms are favorable. But weird one. Guess it's kind of like Pliskova, an experienced player with room for better results.
by JazzNU Might be alone in thinking this, but I'm not under the impression that Sascha's got a lot of options.
by ti-amie I don't think any of the Big Names in coaching WTA players has a lot of options right now and maybe that's why so many are now coaching male players. This is just my opinion based on what I see happening right now.
I wonder if both Bencic and Ostapenko have matured enough to follow the recommendations of a serious coach.
by JazzNU Which big name WTA coaches are with male players now? I must have missed some of the announcements.
As for Sascha. If you're familiar with the phrase "he's a legend in his own mind" then that's how I would mostly frame Sascha. He's a good coach and can probably make a difference, but he's not the legendary coach he markets himself as being.
by JTContinental
JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:09 pm
Which big name WTA coaches are with male players now? I must have missed some of the announcements.
As for Sascha. If you're familiar with the phrase "he's a legend in his own mind" then that's how I would mostly frame Sascha. He's a good coach and can probably make a difference, but he's not the legendary coach he markets himself as being.
Mouratoglou is currently working with Holger Rune while Simona is out for the rest of the year.
by ponchi101 Plus, which WTA players are currently without a coach? I would say that would be an initial requirement. There has to be somebody hiring.
by ti-amie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:58 pm
Plus, which WTA players are currently without a coach? I would say that would be an initial requirement. There has to be somebody hiring.
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:58 pm
Plus, which WTA players are currently without a coach? I would say that would be an initial requirement. There has to be somebody hiring.
Raducanu?
Cahill is also working with an ATP player.
How could I forget...
But as we have said, that is not a job. That's an internship. 3 months.
by Deuce Cahill is with Sinner.
Leylah's coach is still officially her father Jorge... He has no tennis background apart from Leylah and her sister Bianca's tennis - he was a soccer player/coach.
They work with a few mostly anonymous coaches here and there. I don't anticipate that will change anytime soon - because whoever would take the job as her primary coach would have to tolerate Jorge wanting to make all of the final decisions. He's a control freak. But that has worked with Leylah. She wants him around. And he certainly knows her better than any other coach ever could. The problem I see is that his presence very likely restricts the options in terms of hiring a separate, experienced full time coach. Everyone in tennis likely knows by now that Jorge will want to make the important decisions - so I can't see any experienced coach willingly accepting those conditions.
Leylah did have Romain Deridder as her primary coach for almost 18 months - but that was Deridder's first ever gig as a coach of a WTA player, so he was likely willing to put up with Jorge's meddling just to be in 'the show'. Until Jorge fired him right after the Olympics last year (then right after that, Leylah had her famous U.S. Open run, which only increased Jorge's confidence in his own ability as her primary coach, of course).
Deridder had a brief stint as a co-coach with Anisimova and is now coaching Ann Li (who lost today in straight sets to Canadian Rebecca Marino in Guadalajara).
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:58 pm
Plus, which WTA players are currently without a coach? I would say that would be an initial requirement. There has to be somebody hiring.
Raducanu?
Cahill is also working with an ATP player.
Anisimova, too. Osaka is still coachless, I believe, although that's probably not an option for Sascha, just mentioning it. Wozniacki might need a coach for her impending comeback!
Some players with a coach can be looking for a different arrangement. Then there's the old "adding someone to the team" situation.
JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:09 pm
Which big name WTA coaches are with male players now? I must have missed some of the announcements.
As for Sascha. If you're familiar with the phrase "he's a legend in his own mind" then that's how I would mostly frame Sascha. He's a good coach and can probably make a difference, but he's not the legendary coach he markets himself as being.
Mouratoglou is currently working with Holger Rune while Simona is out for the rest of the year.
Ah okay, I saw that. I think this comes down to perception. I don't view Patrick or Darren as "WTA coaches" since they have history coaching both men and women.
by JTContinental Belinda Bencic is now working with Dmitry Tursunov
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:58 pm
Plus, which WTA players are currently without a coach? I would say that would be an initial requirement. There has to be somebody hiring.
Raducanu?
Cahill is also working with an ATP player.
Anisimova, too. Osaka is still coachless, I believe, although that's probably not an option for Sascha, just mentioning it. Wozniacki might need a coach for her impending comeback!
Anisimova, too. Osaka is still coachless, I believe, although that's probably not an option for Sascha, just mentioning it. Wozniacki might need a coach for her impending comeback!
She has rheumatoid arthritis, so that's unlikely.
I don't really think she will try it, for that reason and others. I do wonder if it crosses her mind since she's only 32. But she's more likely to spend her 30s growing her family than losing first-round matches.
by JTContinental She seems quite happy in the commentary booth, and she has quickly become one of my favorite announcers.
by meganfernandez
JTContinental wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 5:44 pm
She seems quite happy in the commentary booth, and she has quickly become one of my favorite announcers.
Anisimova, too. Osaka is still coachless, I believe, although that's probably not an option for Sascha, just mentioning it. Wozniacki might need a coach for her impending comeback!
She has rheumatoid arthritis, so that's unlikely.
I don't really think she will try it, for that reason and others. I do wonder if it crosses her mind since she's only 32. But she's more likely to spend her 30s growing her family than losing first-round matches.
Despite Raducanu's early success, Tursunov believes it would be "probably a two-and-a-half-year project" to help her get to the top of the game and that she needs stability in her coaching corner to achieve that.
"It’s going to take some time, but as I said to her and to pretty much everyone on her team: I think you just need to have one voice and just try that for a bit," Tursunov said. “The only difficult thing with her – that you actually have to do with every player – is trying to change certain things: she believed that she had to play a certain way. So I was trying to convince her to change that mindset and change her convictions about her own game... That’s what I was trying to do and there was maybe a minor difficulty with that but I think we got past that and were on the right track, and she was starting to trust me a little bit more. At least, that was my perception.”
by Owendonovan Sounds like she's a bit screwed until she breaks from whoever is currently calling her shots.
by ponchi101 Non tennis playing parents getting too involved?
Serious enquiry. I really do not know.
by ti-amie
Next stop Raducanu?
by ti-amieIt seems Caroline Garcia and her coach have also parted ways...
by ti-amie Of course you fire the person who took you from 75 in the world to #6 in the world. Isn't that how it's done?
by ponchi101 Or leads you to a US Open title.
I really do not know how they reach these decisions.
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:53 pm
Or leads you to a US Open title.
I really do not know how they reach these decisions.
We're not meant to. We're watching from a long distance away, and it's also pretty personal. Maybe a tennis insider has some meaningful insight, but even then, it's a lot of hearsay.
Part of Emma's learning curve and growing pains. She'll probably figure it out.
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:53 pm
Or leads you to a US Open title.
I really do not know how they reach these decisions.
We're not meant to. We're watching from a long distance away, and it's also pretty personal. Maybe a tennis insider has some meaningful insight, but even then, it's a lot of hearsay.
Part of Emma's learning curve and growing pains. She'll probably figure it out.
Granted - but her ongoing coaching soap opera does stand out as being quite unusual - and not in a positive way, as Tursunov pointed out.
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:53 pm
Or leads you to a US Open title.
I really do not know how they reach these decisions.
We're not meant to. We're watching from a long distance away, and it's also pretty personal. Maybe a tennis insider has some meaningful insight, but even then, it's a lot of hearsay.
Part of Emma's learning curve and growing pains. She'll probably figure it out.
I will only add that most of the great ones had long relations with their coaches.
Borg/Bergellin, Connors/Segura and his mom, Lendl/Roche, Rafa/Toni, Martina/Lieberman, etc.
It seems to pay off.
by Suliso
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:24 am
We're not meant to. We're watching from a long distance away, and it's also pretty personal. Maybe a tennis insider has some meaningful insight, but even then, it's a lot of hearsay.
Part of Emma's learning curve and growing pains. She'll probably figure it out.
Possibly, but some people never do. Not just in tennis...
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:24 am
We're not meant to. We're watching from a long distance away, and it's also pretty personal. Maybe a tennis insider has some meaningful insight, but even then, it's a lot of hearsay.
Part of Emma's learning curve and growing pains. She'll probably figure it out.
Possibly, but some people never do. Not just in tennis...
Yeah, of course. Nothing is a foregone conclusion in life. But I'd bet on the combination of talent, time and resources to come through. I'm an optimist.
by JazzNU Raducanu - @ponchi, no one seemed to answer your question - yes, there is a parent (father) who is controlling everything and it appears quite problematic.
Andreescu - that seems like a good split to me. Sven is a good coach, but hasn't seemed to know how to get the most out of Bianca's game, it felt like he was encouraging her do to less of what made her special. As long as she keeps her fitness trainer and physio, who were the ones who have kept her healthy after so many injuries and made her realize she was hurting herself and her career by pushing too much once injured the way her previous team seemed to encourage, I think this will be a positive for her.
Garcia - from what I saw, Caroline did not ditch her coach, her coach ditched her. He seems to have gotten fed up and is done. What happened? The quotes I saw were somewhat heated, but generic. He wasn't having fun coaching her anymore and was done, didn't want to fake it thru the WTA Finals. Who knows what the heck happened, but here's hoping she gets coaching help from the FFT in the meantime and not her father.
by ponchi101 I knew that Emma's parents were involved las year, but thought they had dialed it down after last year.
Thanks for the correction.
by skatingfan I wonder if Garcia's father started to get in the way at the US Open - he hadn't been at any of the tournaments where Garcia did well over the summer - and this caused some issues for the relationship between coach & player.
by Deuce Yes, Raducanu's parents are involved in her tennis.
But who's to say that her father controls everything?
As always, some supportive concrete evidence would be nice to have to accompany the accusation.
by JazzNU
skatingfan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 9:52 pm
I wonder if Garcia's father started to get in the way at the US Open - he hadn't been at any of the tournaments where Garcia did well over the summer - and this caused some issues for the relationship between coach & player.
Had the same thought and even when I saw him at the US Open, I posted somewhere that I hope he's there just as a father and not getting involved. Everything seemed very good up until that point, seemed like an overall positive feeling to the entire team. Hope it's not the case with her dad, but that's basically what seemed to happen to Camila Giorgi last year as well, so not at all hard to imagine.
by ashkor87 Andreescu has hired Christophe Lambert it seems...
by ti-amie
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:29 am
Andreescu has hired Christophe Lambert it seems...
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:29 am
Andreescu has hired Christophe Lambert it seems...
Who is he? Who has he worked with before?
Connor MacLeod?
Exactly. Will work wonders with her if she wants to learn to use a Katana, but a tennis racquet...
by JazzNU Here's a bio for him. Previously worked with Team China and Team Britain, and most importantly for this hire, worked for Team Canada and was one of Bianca's coaches as a junior.
ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:07 pm
Loved the Connor MacLeod references!
I have no idea who Connor Macleod is ...so it went over my head altogether
Yes, a pretty American (possibly French and British too?) joke. There's a movie series (later turned into a TV series) named Highlander and it starred an actor named Christopher Lambert in the role of Connor MacLeod. So when I saw Bianca's new coach's name, that's all I could see.
Exactly. Will work wonders with her if she wants to learn to use a Katana, but a tennis racquet...
You think a US open champion needs to be taught how to use a racket,?!
An obvious joke, if you ever saw HIGHLANDER (The Movie).
Oh well, ok. No, never even heard of it..we move in different worlds, clearly
by JTContinental Pliskova and Sascha Bajin have teamed up again for the upcoming season
by ponchi101 I think he is good. Maybe one more QF at a slam for her?
(Says the idiot that wrote her off just before she reached that Wimby final).
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:00 am
I think he is good. Maybe one more QF at a slam for her?
(Says the idiot that wrote her off just before she reached that Wimby final).
I would write them both off..
by ashkor87 Garcia has taken on Guzman as coach..for only some tournaments ..
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:00 am
I think he is good. Maybe one more QF at a slam for her?
(Says the idiot that wrote her off just before she reached that Wimby final).
I would write them both off..
I wouldn't WANT to (I like Karo) but I have eaten my words so many times by now I like to put some steak sauce before I munch.
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:00 am
I think he is good. Maybe one more QF at a slam for her?
(Says the idiot that wrote her off just before she reached that Wimby final).
I would write them both off..
I wouldn't WANT to (I like Karo) but I have eaten my words so many times by now I like to put some steak sauce before I munch.
Karolina is a good candidate for 'best player never to win a major', though there are better candidates.. a separate topic of course.
by ponchi101 Helena Sukova?
by ti-amieJulián Alonso and Leylah Fernández, new team for 2023
by Fernando Murciego 12/15/2022 21:18
We are in mid-December and we still have a lot of news to tell, but this one makes us especially excited because we are going to be the first to tell it. Julián Alonso will be the coach of Leylah Fernández in the 2023 season. The 45-year-old Spanish coach, who will continue to supervise the career of Arantxa Rus, is now embarking on a super exciting project with one of the most promising young women on the women's circuit. We will follow them closely.
ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:21 pmJulián Alonso and Leylah Fernández, new team for 2023
by Fernando Murciego 12/15/2022 21:18
We are in mid-December and we still have a lot of news to tell, but this one makes us especially excited because we are going to be the first to tell it. Julián Alonso will be the coach of Leylah Fernández in the 2023 season. The 45-year-old Spanish coach, who will continue to supervise the career of Arantxa Rus, is now embarking on a super exciting project with one of the most promising young women on the women's circuit. We will follow them closely.
Yeah... I saw that yesterday.
I think it's going to be a part-time thing, as Leylah's dad (Jorge) will likely insist on retaining a significant role in the equation.
Jorge is a 'control freak' - sometimes in a positive way, and sometimes in a detrimental way - and any coach that embarks on with Leylah will have to be able to tolerate Jorge's constant presence, input and interference (it's rather telling that he's included in the photo accompanying the story of Leylah's 'new coach').
I cannot see any coach being given 'free, independent reign' with Leylah - I think Jorge will have to have veto rights on everything. And any coach who does not have the total freedom to do the things he wants to do without having someone looking over their shoulder cannot be a full time coach in my opinion.
I think people in pro tennis know what Jorge is like by now. That's why I've said for a while that I don't see any coach who works independently being interested in working with Leylah - not because of Leylah, but because of knowing that Jorge will always be, at the very least, looking over their shoulder, approving or vetoing things.
Leylah's previous coach - Romain Deridder - was brand new to coaching at the WTA level when he began with Leylah. And so, as a new coach at that level, it's quite likely that he was more willing to put up with Jorge's input and interference than established coaches would be. Jorge still fired him after 18 months, though, just after the 2021 Olympics, and took over the official full time coaching duties himself.
Jorge has no background in tennis - he was a semi-pro soccer player and soccer coach. And so he has gotten a few mostly unknown tennis coaches to help with some technical things since he took over as full time coach.
Jorge and Leylah have a very close bond. And they understand and trust each other. While that can certainly be a positive thing in many aspects and situations (I have told him on several occasions that no other coach will ever have the bond and trust with Leylah that he has, and no other coach will ever know her as well as he does), it can also limit and restrict the exploration of other avenues.
by ashkor87 good that Leylah has a coach at all.. not good to be coached by Papa all your life.. Coco Gauff should consider it too..
by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:22 am
good that Leylah has a coach at all.. not good to be coached by Papa all your life.. Coco Gauff should consider it too..
And it is not as if the experiment has not been done plenty of times:
Yuri Sharapov: no good for Maria.
The Tsitsipas parents: let's not even go there.
Wozniacki: I say he held her back.
Bencic: nah, not working.
Caro Garcia: once daddy left, look at the results.
Peter Graf: Steffi was so much better off without him.
The Williams: all kudos for bringing them both that far. Then even more for letting them go and find their own way.
Exceptions:
Seles: Her dad did well.
Connors: Gloria always kept the proper distance, and it worked well.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:22 am
good that Leylah has a coach at all.. not good to be coached by Papa all your life.. Coco Gauff should consider it too..
And it is not as if the experiment has not been done plenty of times:
Yuri Sharapov: no good for Maria.
The Tsitsipas parents: let's not even go there.
Wozniacki: I say he held her back.
Bencic: nah, not working.
Caro Garcia: once daddy left, look at the results.
Peter Graf: Steffi was so much better off without him.
The Williams: all kudos for bringing them both that far. Then even more for letting them go and find their own way.
Exceptions:
Seles: Her dad did well.
Connors: Gloria always kept the proper distance, and it worked well.
Hingis too but generally not a good idea..
I quit coaching my son when he was about 12..saw I had nothing to help him with..
by JTContinental
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:22 am
good that Leylah has a coach at all.. not good to be coached by Papa all your life.. Coco Gauff should consider it too..
Gauff has been coached by Diego Moyano for several months now.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:22 am
good that Leylah has a coach at all.. not good to be coached by Papa all your life.. Coco Gauff should consider it too..
And it is not as if the experiment has not been done plenty of times:
Yuri Sharapov: no good for Maria.
The Tsitsipas parents: let's not even go there.
Wozniacki: I say he held her back.
Bencic: nah, not working.
Caro Garcia: once daddy left, look at the results.
Peter Graf: Steffi was so much better off without him.
The Williams: all kudos for bringing them both that far. Then even more for letting them go and find their own way.
Exceptions:
Seles: Her dad did well.
Connors: Gloria always kept the proper distance, and it worked well.
Richard Williams and possibly Sharapov belong in the exceptions. You get your kid, and in the first instance, kids to a GS title while you're coaching them, and you belong in the exceptions. The experiment worked.
Caro had several stints with a few other coaches or I'd throw her dad in there as well. And for all his faults and not getting her to a GS title quickly. he got her to #1. So that experiment really also worked.
I don't remember particulars about Graf's dad other than the tax evasion.
by ponchi101 I should have worded Richard Williams better. My point was that, at one point, he let go. He did a great job, then he relinquished, for his daughters' good.
Peter Graf did a very good job too; her Slam season was with him still there. But once the tax issues came to the spotlight, he had to go. And she was better off.
I remember Sharapova having a few situations with her dad that would make Apostolos look like Lendl. It did not end well.
by Deuce I don't think anyone can say definitively that parent coaches work or don't work. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. There are some variables that will determine whether it works or not - not the least of which is the dynamic and relationship and history between the parent and the child.
All of the parental coaching examples listed above - both the ones listed as positive and the ones listed as negative - include players who've achieved marvellous things - all these players are/were very top level players. That's successful by any logical definition.
Could Tsitsipas, for example, accomplish more than his current top 5 in the world without his father? Who knows? Maybe, maybe not. But he has already achieved remarkable things with his father as his primary coach.
Perspective is important.
With the exception of parents who once played tennis at a high level, I think most tennis coaching parents become more of a psychological coach than a technical coach - because they've known their kid for all of the kid's life, which includes many aspects and elements not related to tennis, but to personality and character - and so, psychologically and emotionally, in most cases they know their kid better than any other coach can.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:22 am
good that Leylah has a coach at all.. not good to be coached by Papa all your life.. Coco Gauff should consider it too..
Gauff has been coached by Diego Moyano for several months now.
Yes, had forgotten that...
by ashkor87 Raducanu has hired Sebastian Sachs as her coach...he had worked with Bencic it seems..let us hope this works out
by ponchi101 I lost track. Number 5 or is it number 6, since the USO run?
by ti-amie
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:15 am
Raducanu has hired Sebastian Sachs as her coach...he had worked with Bencic it seems..let us hope this works out
Well at least he's used to temperament...
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:14 pm
I lost track. Number 5 or is it number 6, since the USO run?
They say #5
by ashkor87 So basically Bencic and Raducanu have done an exchange of coaches!
They have pretty similar playing styles so maybe not so surprising,!
by ti-amie
This is a big get for Sloane.
by ponchi101 Will Rafa have any coaches left?
Good move.
Sorry if this sounds snarky, but is she actually working with him or was this just a photo op. This doesn't look like much of a workout.
by ponchi101 Well, it does seem staged. So just an announcement.
I guess.
by Deuce I just found out who Tamara Zidansek's coach is....
I spoke with him a couple of times at a tournament this past summer - he really liked my Head Vilas wood racquet, and told some stories about it.
His name is Carl Maes, and he was once the head of women's tennis at the British Lawn Tennis Association, and was Kim Clijsters's coach back when Clijsters was winning a lot.
He was the Director of the Kim Clijsters Tennis Academy until it closed a few months ago, and is currently the Performance Director of the Soho Tennis Academy in Spain.
He saw me with the Vilas racquet and came to me once alone, and another time when I was talking and joking with Daria Kasatkina and her coach Carlos Martinez about the racquet.
I had no idea who he was at the time - I knew only that he appreciated old racquets.
If any of you have some old racquets in decent shape lying around, bring them to a pro or junior tournament and just carry one around openly - it can sometimes invite some interesting comments from some interesting people.
You can even take the old racquet to the official tournament stringer and ask him/her to string it - they'll get a laugh out of that.
Just an FYI, he was already working with her. So it may be a get, but it's hardly a surprise. I seem to remember it being posted here when they were spotted together. Since at least back at the US Open. This may be the official announcement as her head coach, it was definitely a part time or consultant role before, but it's not a new coaching relationship.
by JazzNU Pam Shriver working with Donna Vekic. Not sure about beyond here, but in the box for this tournament. If this was well known, I missed it.
by JazzNU And Xavier Malisse is Alexei Popyrin's new coach.
by ponchi101 Kind of a strange choice, in the sense that Malisse was a natural player; not known for putting too much effort off court.
But maybe he learned that was (part of) the reason he did not achieve what people thought he would when he came up. Anyway, first experience seems to be positive.
by ti-amie
by Deuce Russell was one of the most genuine and sincere players when he played. He didn't have as much physical talent as other players, but he always gave an honest effort. Very genuine off the court, as well. There was no BS with him.
I assume he's no different as a coach.
by ponchi101 I say that's a good choice.
by ti-amie I've lost track. Is this new or old news?
by Oploskoffie Raemon Sluiter, former coach of Kiki Bertens and Tallon Griekspoor, will be working with Elena Monfils this year. Haven't found an English news source and I won't force you to read Dutch (or a poorly translated version of it). French is the best I can offer right now:
by ponchi101 I was wondering who Elena Monfils was. Does Gael have a little sister?
The Bing search enlightened me. Txs.
by Owendonovan
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:17 am
I've lost track. Is this new or old news?
Working with Genie on what?
by ashkor87 Cirstea's superb improvement over the past few months, she attributes to her new coack Johansson.. says he has taught her to look outside, at her oppoent's game and what she is doing, not just her own - interesting...
by Deuce Thomas is a good man - very humble and approachable.
He's also a very brave man to sign on to work with Cirstea, whom I figure more than a few coaches would actively avoid (see video below).
I saw Cirstea on a practice court once, and she was asking one of her coaches when was the proper time in a match to fist pump!
And then there is this (below)... Demanding that the chair umpire give a warning to her coach (Adrian Cruciat)! She didn't realize that the warning would count against her...
by Deuce I and some others here have noticed that something seems not right with Kasatkina this year...
She had a good year last year - the best year of her career, rising to #8 in the rankings... but this year has seen a few lopsided losses, and back-to-back wins only once. To me, she seems less energetic on the court - kind of more apathetic. And she was never like that - I've seen her running every ball down even in practice.
Something seems to be bothering her. Whether that something is related to tennis or not, I have no idea. But it certainly seems that something is not right with her mindset on court this year.
This slipped under the radar - likely because she made no announcement about it - but she changed coaches a few weeks ago. Gone is Carlos Martinez, with whom she worked for 4 years and had her best year last year... and in is former player Flavio Cipolla.
(Any bets on Carlos Martinez being Raducanu's new coach soon? )
Here's an article with Daria talking about the coaching change...
by mmmm8 I looked it up and Cipolla (who is doing a trial with Kasatkina) coached Vasek Pospisil before and an Italian player (Mager)... interesting choice.
I was on a tournament transport ride with Cippola once, when he was mid-career, he was already complaining about his knees, which I think led to his retirement eventually.
by Oploskoffie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:52 pm
I was wondering who Elena Monfils was. Does Gael have a little sister?
The Bing search enlightened me. Txs.
Spent quite some time debating what to do here; the WTA website still has her listed as Elina Svitolina but she's gone for Elina Monfils on her socials. I'll stick with Svitolina if she shows up in draws as such.
by ponchi101 She made it public that she wanted to go by Monfils. So, her choice.
by mmmm8
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:10 pm
She made it public that she wanted to go by Monfils. So, her choice.
Actually, she's said publicly she's changed her last name legally but is keeping Svitolina professionally.
by JazzNU I realize people like him (and I do too) and so there's a blind spot where he's concerned, but it is truly messed up to see Darren Cahill sitting courtside at all of these Sinner matches. He hasn't gotten nearly enough blowback for the way he ditched Amanda, the reasons he gave, and how those reasons suddenly became manageable just a few months later. I know he still helps her from time to time, but it's not a good look at all and he gets this pass when I'm positive others wouldn't be skating in a similar manner at all.
by JazzNU Not sure if it was mentioned previously, but Andrew Bettles is coaching Jil Teichmann. He's the former longtime coach of Svitolina.
by JazzNU Thiem is parting ways with Massu
by ponchi101 A bit unfair, because Massu has been a good coach, and they indeed reached a very successful plateau.
But Thiem has to change something, and he can't fire himself.
Massu will find a new player. Let's see who does Thiem find.
by ashkor87 also, Bencic is no longer working with Tursunov, she says..
by ponchi101 And, being a jerk, on other news, Raducanu DID NOT change her coach on the 1st quarter of the year.
Ok, serious here. That seems to have stabilized, which is good for her.
by JTContinental I'm not sure why people are still hiring Tursunov. There must be some sort of fundamental flaw in his coaching style to be bounced around so much, and after reading his comments about how Rybakina's coach was solely responsible for her Wimbledon win, I think I might know what it is.
by ashkor87 Now Coco has split with her coach! I didnt hear anyone talk about that.. it is mentioned in the article I posted in the Random Random board..
reposting here for convenience
by ponchi101 Ok. I thought she was still a bit with Moratogliuo, and Moyano was like the designated driver.
Let's see who she finds.
by ti-amie
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:23 pm
Now Coco has split with her coach! I didnt hear anyone talk about that.. it is mentioned in the article I posted in the Random Random board..
reposting here for convenience
by Deuce As I've said many times - the coach effect is far, far overrated. So these players separating from their coaches is not a big deal.
Players changing coaches does not significantly affect their play or their results (for good or for bad) 95% of the time.
Every once in a while, you'll get a rare situation where the coach and player very naturally 'click' together, and it will show in the results - like it seems might be the case currently with Thomas Johansson and Sorana Cirstea.
In the case of Kasatkina and Carlos Martinez, it certainly seems that Kasatkina's poor play this year is a result of her immature playing around and prioritizing 'having fun' at tournaments with her girlfriend over doing the necessary tennis work. That's why she and Martinez separated - because of Daria's lack of maturity and responsibility and self-discipline. And that lack of responsibility and self-discipline, in turn, has affected her tennis negatively.
by Owendonovan If a coach isn't in your head, they're not coaching, they're teaching.
by JazzNU
JTContinental wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:36 pm
I'm not sure why people are still hiring Tursunov. There must be some sort of fundamental flaw in his coaching style to be bounced around so much, and after reading his comments about how Rybakina's coach was solely responsible for her Wimbledon win, I think I might know what it is.
Why are you making me defend Tursunov? I think he's been hired so many times because he's gotten great results with his players. He hasn't been fired for the most part. Sabalenka was... an interesting partnership. Let's leave it there, but he got her to this championship level and I'm not sure there's a ton of pushback on that, he didn't take her across the finish line, but she was largely an also ran before he took over coaching duties. Anett went from a player that was good but not that consistent to a very good player with a high level of consistency on her best surfaces. He left that partnership, he wasn't fired. Emma has fired everyone under the sun at this point, so not sure that can be put on Dmitry. I'm assuming that Bencic fired him and that's really the first not that successful partnership he's had I think.
by JTContinental There is no denying that he is a good coach; I just don’t think the accompanying personality would be worth it
by JazzNU
JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:57 pm
There is no denying that he is a good coach; I just don’t think the accompanying personality would be worth it
First, from your comments, I wasn't thinking you thought he was a good coach. But, what accompanying personality? The comments about Rybakina's coach that also happens to be his friend? Because I get that wasn't good, but that's like a brand new thing and not something Aryna, Anett, or Belinda has been saying about the way he acts, unless I've missed something?
I'm not trying to make you like him as a person or a coach, but the one comment about Rybakina seems like quite the outlier. Hearing how effusive Aryna and Anett were about their coaching relationships speaks more to me than his one comment on Twitter. Heck, even if she did fire him, Belinda has been more positive than I typically remember her being about him as well.
The way that everyone has been concerned about the manner which Rybakina's coach talks and acts isn't something I've heard at all in relation to Dmitry. Let me know if I'm missing something.
by JazzNU Another coaching move I didn't see mentioned - Caroline Garcia is back with her coach, Bertrand Perret, from last season that she saw such great success with.
Reminder - he split with her right before the WTA Finals last year, not the other way around.
by JTContinental It's more like most of his comments on Twitter, albeit I stopped following him long ago, so haven't seen anything recently. Plus, he doubled down on that Rybakina comment once he started getting pushback for it. I liked him quite a bit as a player and thought his irreverent attitude was kind of fun, but to me his ever-ballooning ego since making the transition to coach has diminished his appeal.
Also, Aryna may remember that coaching duo fondly, but I distinctly remember her not enjoying it while it was happening, or at least there was a lot of on court friction between the two.
by JazzNU
JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:46 pm
It's more like most of his comments on Twitter, albeit I stopped following him long ago, so haven't seen anything recently. Plus, he doubled down on that Rybakina comment once he started getting pushback for it. I liked him quite a bit as a player and thought his irreverent attitude was kind of fun, but to me his ever-ballooning ego since making the transition to coach has diminished his appeal.
Also, Aryna may remember that coaching duo fondly, but I distinctly remember her not enjoying it while it was happening, or at least there was a lot of on court friction between the two.
Not sure how she remembers it, but again, I wouldn't go there in general. They had the best OCC coaching exchange ever in the history of the WTA for sure at Indian Wells in I think 2019. But while she was in that coaching relationship, she was very positive about it and regularly talked about him improving her game and being a fun coach to have, very much in line with the personality consistent with when he was a player.
I have never followed him on Twitter, so I'm not at all sure about what he says on there. I just know what's been posted here and what his players have said, as I do follow Aryna and Anett. I only check in here and there with Belinda, she's never been a favorite.
by ashkor87 Muguruza and Conchita have parted ways . Well, Mugu has practically retired, I guess,
by ponchi101 Yes. Now is the moment for somebody to pick up Conchita for a coach. She has been good.
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:41 pm
Yes. Now is the moment for somebody to pick up Conchita for a coach. She has been good.
Coco?!
by ponchi101 If you go by the philosophy of picking somebody that has a different game than yours so she can teach you new things, that could be a good match. Conchita had a very reliable FH, which, for example, you say is one of Coco's weaknesses. And it seems Conchita is also the mellow type.
Don't see it happening, but it could work (I think).
by JazzNU I posted about Conchita and Garbine yesterday and that post is now gone? Like I'm positive I posted it right before I posted about Caroline Garcia
and why that says "another" coaching move. Posted the IG message and a link to the Spanish version, double checked and everything, now I can't find it? That's strange. It was a nice message and they are still on good terms.
by ti-amie The language barrier would be a problem for Cori and Conchita I think.
by ponchi101
JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:17 pm
I posted about Conchita and Garbine yesterday and that post is now gone? Like I'm positive I posted it right before I posted about Caroline Garcia
and why that says "another" coaching move. Posted the IG message and a link to the Spanish version, double checked and everything, now I can't find it? That's strange. It was a nice message and they are still on good terms.
Very odd. I can't find any post from you about the subject, yesterday. Sole thing I can think of is that the "somebody posted something while you were composing" function kicked in.
If you don't mind posting it again. Would be good to read.
by JazzNU
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:59 pm
The language barrier would be a problem for Cori and Conchita I think.
Unless I missed Karolina being fluent in Spanish (which is entirely possible), I would hazard a guess that Conchita speaks very good English and this wouldn't be an issue.
That being said, I have a hard time seeing her becoming Coco's coach.
by JazzNU This is what Conchita posted. Posting English here and a link to the Spanish version.
JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:46 pm
It's more like most of his comments on Twitter, albeit I stopped following him long ago, so haven't seen anything recently. Plus, he doubled down on that Rybakina comment once he started getting pushback for it. I liked him quite a bit as a player and thought his irreverent attitude was kind of fun, but to me his ever-ballooning ego since making the transition to coach has diminished his appeal.
Also, Aryna may remember that coaching duo fondly, but I distinctly remember her not enjoying it while it was happening, or at least there was a lot of on court friction between the two.
Tursanov indicated in a recent podcast that Aryna fired him and he took it pretty hard. He said he would never have quit that job. He didn't say why, but I got the sense that it was personal.
JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:46 pm
It's more like most of his comments on Twitter, albeit I stopped following him long ago, so haven't seen anything recently. Plus, he doubled down on that Rybakina comment once he started getting pushback for it. I liked him quite a bit as a player and thought his irreverent attitude was kind of fun, but to me his ever-ballooning ego since making the transition to coach has diminished his appeal.
Also, Aryna may remember that coaching duo fondly, but I distinctly remember her not enjoying it while it was happening, or at least there was a lot of on court friction between the two.
Tursanov indicated in a recent podcast that Aryna fired him and he took it pretty hard. He said he would never have quit that job. He didn't say why, but I got the sense that it was personal.
Definitely didn't think for a second that he took it hard, so that's interesting. The social media from both of them around that time was mad strange and it seemed much, much too personal to be airing publicly.
by ti-amie I saw talk on the biggest WTA fansite that Cori had hired Jarmere Jenkins as her next coach. My first response was "why"? The things that need fixing with her game need, in my opinion, a coach who can retool her approach to the basics. She's trying but she's not there yet. I could be totally wrong though and by Wimbledon she'll be playing Slam level tennis.
by JazzNU Rune was coached by Patrick Mouratoglou earlier this year and Rune put out a statement like a month ago saying their partnership had come to an end, and that it was amicable and expected. But now Patrick is courtside in Madrid and was courtside in Monte Carlo (not sure about Munich). So no idea what that means and the commentators I've heard mention it aren't certain either, but it's an update of sorts on his Rune's coaching situation.
by ponchi101 The ESPN crew down here talked about it, and expressed surprise too. The chronology is as you say: broke up, teamed up, went missing at Munich, back together in Madrid.
Sounds like a teen-age love story ("I swear, this time is for real, this time I am really breaking up with you, this is different than the other.... 17 times we broke up!")
by ashkor87
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:54 pm
I saw talk on the biggest WTA fansite that Cori had hired Jarmere Jenkins as her next coach. My first response was "why"? The things that need fixing with her game need, in my opinion, a coach who can retool her approach to the basics. She's trying but she's not there yet. I could be totally wrong though and by Wimbledon she'll be playing Slam level tennis.
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:54 pm
I saw talk on the biggest WTA fansite that Cori had hired Jarmere Jenkins as her next coach. My first response was "why"? The things that need fixing with her game need, in my opinion, a coach who can retool her approach to the basics. She's trying but she's not there yet. I could be totally wrong though and by Wimbledon she'll be playing Slam level tennis.
what is Jenkins' specialty?
Warming up Slam winners?
I think coaching is a lot more about getting along, motivating the player, and bringing what they need mentally and with discipline. I'd think about any coach knows how to teach. And Jenkins has had a front-row seat to success, so he knows what players need to do to and how they should manage themselves during and between events. Are there any head coaches who specialize in a shot or style, like serve and volley? I've never heard that as a distinguishing factor among top coaches.
by ashkor87 Bajin must have inspired many 'hiitters'..he was coaching Parks a few days ago...
by JazzNU
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 3:15 am
Bajin must have inspired many 'hiitters'..he was coaching Parks a few days ago...
You mean David Witt. Bajin wasn't merely not the first hitting partner turned coach, he's not even the first in the Williams family. And Sascha never rose to "coach" with Serena even if he takes credit for her success as if he did.
And Jenkins was coaching Alycia in early April. Haven't heard about Sascha working with Alycia, he's been working with Pliskova this season.
by ashkor87 Sorry, pronouns! I meant Jenkins was coaching Parks I think
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 3:15 am
Bajin must have inspired many 'hiitters'..he was coaching Parks a few days ago...
You mean David Witt. Bajin wasn't merely not the first hitting partner turned coach, he's not even the first in the Williams family. And Sascha never rose to "coach" with Serena even if he takes credit for her success as if he did.
And Jenkins was coaching Alycia in early April. Haven't heard about Sascha working with Alycia, he's been working with Pliskova this season.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 3:15 am
Bajin must have inspired many 'hiitters'..he was coaching Parks a few days ago...
You mean David Witt. Bajin wasn't merely not the first hitting partner turned coach, he's not even the first in the Williams family. And Sascha never rose to "coach" with Serena even if he takes credit for her success as if he did.
And Jenkins was coaching Alycia in early April. Haven't heard about Sascha working with Alycia, he's been working with Pliskova this season.
I thought Witt was always Venus: coach- not so?
Hitting partner for both, though mostly Venus, then coach of Venus.
by ti-amie40 Years Into Shaping Champions Like Serena Williams and Maria Sharapova, 68-Year-Old Tennis Veteran Criticizes Coco Gauff’s Coaches for ‘Band-Aid’ Style Treatment of Her Weaknesses
Published 04/30/2023, 4:36 PM EDT
By
SUDIPTO PATI
There’s no doubt about the fact that American sensation Coco Gauff has a lot of potential. In her nascent tennis career so far, Gauff has already bagged several singles and doubles titles on the WTA Tour. Many experts believe that her Grand Slam winning days are not very far away. However, despite Gauff’s undoubted talent and potential, there still are some question marks surrounding her game. It was recently laid bare by the Hall of Famer coach, Rick Macci, who had shaped the careers of several legendary names in both the ATP and the WTA Tours.
In a tweet, Rick Macci, who coached legendary names like Maria Sharapova, Andy Roddick, and Venus and Serena Williams, had a go at Gauff’s coaches. According to Macci, her coaching staff has done very little to address the one glaring chink in Gauff’s armor.
Gauff still has a long way to go in terms of mastering her playing style. In the coming months and years, Gauff will be hoping to figure out a permanent solution to her forehand problem. According to Macci, Gauff’s problem is the result of her reflexes, which affect her forehand technique and have become second nature for the young American prodigy.
In his tweet, Macci wrote, “@cocogauff and her forehand will be addressed and will become her best shot someday.” He went on to write, “(Gauff) needs time off with the exact biomechanical plan to reprogram the reflexes of 12 years and confuse the muscle memory.”
Macci saved his most stinging critique of Gauff’s forehand for the last. “All the advice the past 5 years has been a band aid.” It’s fair to say that Gauff’s coaches over the last 5 years won’t be too pleased with Macci’s opinion.
by ashkor87 But even Macci doesn't say what her problem is! I have an opinion but what does he think it is - what do other people here think,? I would be interested to hear....
by Owendonovan
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 11:44 pm
But even Macci doesn't say what her problem is! I have an opinion but what does he think it is - what do other people here think,? I would be interested to hear....
"Gauff’s problem is the result of her reflexes, which affect her forehand technique..."
“(Gauff) needs time off with the exact biomechanical plan to reprogram the reflexes of 12 years and confuse the muscle memory.” -Macci
by ponchi101 My opinion? The grip. Is too extreme. I admit I am very biased against extreme grips (I use an eastern, after all) but I think that when you have such extreme changes (switching from FH to BH and back), eventually you do not rotate to the "proper" position.
But, as always, I have watched Coco play few times (certainly less than 10, because of the lack of coverage down here) so I am, most likely, missing something.
by ashkor87 Let me wait for more people to weigh in...
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 11:44 pm
But even Macci doesn't say what her problem is! I have an opinion but what does he think it is - what do other people here think,? I would be interested to hear....
"Gauff’s problem is the result of her reflexes, which affect her forehand technique..."
“(Gauff) needs time off with the exact biomechanical plan to reprogram the reflexes of 12 years and confuse the muscle memory.” -Macci
Yes but it actually says nothing..are her reflexes poor? That is not true at all
by ashkor87 I guess folks here aren't much interested and I don't want to speak about Gauff any more so ...
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 12:31 am
My opinion? The grip. Is too extreme. I admit I am very biased against extreme grips (I use an eastern, after all) but I think that when you have such extreme changes (switching from FH to BH and back), eventually you do not rotate to the "proper" position.
But, as always, I have watched Coco play few times (certainly less than 10, because of the lack of coverage down here) so I am, most likely, missing something.
I am not a fan of that grip either but many people have succeeded with it, ugly though it is..so I would not blame the grip exclusively
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 11:44 pm
But even Macci doesn't say what her problem is! I have an opinion but what does he think it is - what do other people here think,? I would be interested to hear....
"Gauff’s problem is the result of her reflexes, which affect her forehand technique..."
“(Gauff) needs time off with the exact biomechanical plan to reprogram the reflexes of 12 years and confuse the muscle memory.” -Macci
Yes but it actually says nothing..are her reflexes poor? That is not true at all
I think he's saying the way she reacts reflexively isn't correct for her forehand. She has to detrain then retrain how she typically reacts to ball as she sets up to hit it.
"Gauff’s problem is the result of her reflexes, which affect her forehand technique..."
“(Gauff) needs time off with the exact biomechanical plan to reprogram the reflexes of 12 years and confuse the muscle memory.” -Macci
Yes but it actually says nothing..are her reflexes poor? That is not true at all
I think he's saying the way she reacts reflexively isn't correct for her forehand. She has to detrain then retrain how she typically reacts to ball as she sets up to hit it.
Yes but he didn't say what is not correct about it! As I said above, he is a professional coach, he is not going to say it for nothing..
by ashkor87 My observation is Coco's problem is, sometimes (not every time) she lets the ball get too close to her, doesn't have room to swing at it and ends up spooning it back for her opponent to jump on. It would be interesting to see, not unforced errors but how many times her opponent hits a winner after a Coco forehand
This being primarily a question of footwork, it should be easy to fix, and Coco is anyway so good on her feet . So yes, I expect she will fix it, then she will be a formidable player ..
by ponchi101 Agree. At that level, fixing it should not be hard.
I used to have that problem a lot because I was fast enough (for my level) that I would over-run the ball constantly. Had to remember, over and over, to keep my distance from the ball or I would cram by FH indeed.
Of course, with a 1 handed BH, I never had that problem on that side.
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 3:28 pm
Agree. At that level, fixing it should not be hard.
I used to have that problem a lot because I was fast enough (for my level) that I would over-run the ball constantly. Had to remember, over and over, to keep my distance from the ball or I would cram by FH indeed.
Of course, with a 1 handed BH, I never had that problem on that side.
i always thought that was a weakness Serena had too.. which people like Muguruza have exploited - hit straight at her, and sometimes she would not get out of the way and make room..maybe it is correlated with an sggressive mindset?
the forehand is one shot, textbooks tell us, (and I learned it that way only!) - that has to be hit as far away from the body as possible, while the single-handed backhand has to be hit close to the body..double-handers, probably not.
by ponchi101 For the FH, if you do not get proper distance, you will end up scooping the ball.
Of course, both Iga and Daniil have thrown that theory out the window. The have very good FH's and yet they hit it with a cramped arm. By now, there is no such thing as the proper way to hit a stroke. If you can cream it, just go for it.
by ponchi101 You mean: Goran is NOT a YES MAN for Novak?
I'm shocked, SHOCKED!
Really, I am.
by ti-amie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 3:35 pm
You mean: Goran is NOT a YES MAN for Novak?
I'm shocked, SHOCKED!
Really, I am.
I knew there was a reason I always liked Goran.
by ponchi101 Lost amidst this week's preparations for RG, nobody mentioned that Stefanos fired his coach. The WRONG coach. He and Phillipousis parted ways.
Not the man to get rid of, Stefanos. It is the other guy that hangs like an anchor around your neck.
by skatingfan
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 11:10 pm
Lost amidst this week's preparations for RG, nobody mentioned that Stefanos fired his coach. The WRONG coach. He and Phillipousis parted ways.
Not the man to get rid of, Stefanos. It is the other guy that hangs like an anchor around your neck.
It's a lot harder to fire your father. The parents that do it well - Sharapov, and the Williams - realize they've taken their child as far as they can and withdraw as the child takes control of their career.
by ponchi101 And ESPN reports that Zverev is no longer working with Bruguera.
You know, when NOBODY can work with you, it is probably not them.
(And I like Zverev).
by Oploskoffie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 3:47 pm
And, being a jerk, on other news, Raducanu DID NOT change her coach on the 1st quarter of the year.
Ok, serious here. That seems to have stabilized, which is good for her.
In the 2nd quarter of the year, however...
Emma Raducanu: Former US Open Champion splits with fifth coach in less than two years
Challenging circumstances for both player and coach, I'm sure, but who's/what's next after she's done recovering from surgery?
by ponchi101 Spoke too soon, didn't I?
by ti-amie I was actually very surprised to see pics of Raducanu partying/hanging out in Mexico when the French Open began. Of course she made sure her bandaged wrist featured in a couple of them.
by mmmm8 What else is she supposed to do? She can't train.
by ponchi101 Pilgrimage to Lourdes, Betania, Guadalupe, The Ganges, Mecca and Medina and any other place where she can exorcise whichever demons she has upset and keep getting her injured.
by ti-amie
mmmm8 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 5:06 pm
What else is she supposed to do? She can't train.
Work on her core, her lower body strength? I'm sure a decent PT could design a regimen that wouldn't involve using her arms or did one of her lower extremities also get injured? She's had so many injuries it's hard to keep track. Maybe it's just me. I just thought it was tacky to be seen partying when you're injured.
Or she could do what Ponchi suggests.
by JTContinental She could be doing all those things and still go out at night.
by ti-amie
JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:36 pm
She could be doing all those things and still go out at night.
This is true.
by ponchi101 Out at night? This girl needs to finish her therapy and then be tucked into bed, wrapped in bubble wrap and assorted layers of styrofoam.
by ti-amie To me, and I'm in no way privy to what is going on with her other than what I read in the press it shows that she is not serious about her tennis. Yes, she's young and may want to go out at night but she can do that in England. London is known for its party culture. I thought she was with IMG who should, at the least have people who understand that being photographed partying/hanging out in Mexico while injured isn't a good look.
by mmmm8
ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:59 pm
To me, and I'm in no way privy to what is going on with her other than what I read in the press it shows that she is not serious about her tennis. Yes, she's young and may want to go out at night but she can do that in England. London is known for its party culture. I thought she was with IMG who should, at the least have people who understand that being photographed partying/hanging out in Mexico while injured isn't a good look.
With her tennis career in danger due to injuries and her tennis fame fading due to bad results, she (and surely IMG) has to at least consider making sure she can make an alternative living long-term and capitalize on her current fame. She wasn't "partying" in Mexico. She was attending a Dior show FOR Dior. There is a Harper's Bazaar feature about her collaboration with them on it. So, she was working and building her brand.
The expectation that, at the height of opportunity, an injured athlete should be hiding from the public, working on her core 8 hours a day (around the clock?) and not leave her neighborhood is very weird to me. It's not like air travel affects your wrist or you can't find a gym in Mexico City?
She has to pay her ever-rotating team and that costs a ton of money, so how can we fault her for making some and/or enjoying it in the process (if she did).
I understand criticizing a player who does a potentially dangerous physical activity (like skiing) while recovering from an injury, I don't understand an objection to travel or an evening out.
ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:59 pm
To me, and I'm in no way privy to what is going on with her other than what I read in the press it shows that she is not serious about her tennis. Yes, she's young and may want to go out at night but she can do that in England. London is known for its party culture. I thought she was with IMG who should, at the least have people who understand that being photographed partying/hanging out in Mexico while injured isn't a good look.
With her tennis career in danger due to injuries and her tennis fame fading due to bad results, she (and surely IMG) has to at least consider making sure she can make an alternative living long-term and capitalize on her current fame. She wasn't "partying" in Mexico. She was attending a Dior show FOR Dior. There is a Harper's Bazaar feature about her collaboration with them on it. So, she was working and building her brand.
The expectation that, at the height of opportunity, an injured athlete should be hiding from the public, working on her core 8 hours a day (around the clock?) and not leave her neighborhood is very weird to me. It's not like air travel affects your wrist or you can't find a gym in Mexico City?
She has to pay her ever-rotating team and that costs a ton of money, so how can we fault her for making some and/or enjoying it in the process (if she did).
I understand criticizing a player who does a potentially dangerous physical activity (like skiing) while recovering from an injury, I don't understand an objection to travel or an evening out.
I just posted about the Dior show in the "Injury and Illness" thread. The only bandage visible is on her wrist and it looks more like padding than support. There is also a video showing that she has no visible support on either of her ankles. I'll put the video in the other thread.
That said I don't think Dior would cancel their contract with her if she didn't go due to her recent surgeries.
by ponchi101 Possible next contracts:
Johnson and Johnson (makers of band aids)
Futuro.
Ben Gay...
by JTContinental
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:53 pm
Possible next contracts:
Johnson and Johnson (makers of band aids)
Futuro.
Ben Gay...
ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:59 pm
To me, and I'm in no way privy to what is going on with her other than what I read in the press it shows that she is not serious about her tennis. Yes, she's young and may want to go out at night but she can do that in England. London is known for its party culture. I thought she was with IMG who should, at the least have people who understand that being photographed partying/hanging out in Mexico while injured isn't a good look.
With her tennis career in danger due to injuries and her tennis fame fading due to bad results, she (and surely IMG) has to at least consider making sure she can make an alternative living long-term and capitalize on her current fame. She wasn't "partying" in Mexico. She was attending a Dior show FOR Dior. There is a Harper's Bazaar feature about her collaboration with them on it. So, she was working and building her brand.
The expectation that, at the height of opportunity, an injured athlete should be hiding from the public, working on her core 8 hours a day (around the clock?) and not leave her neighborhood is very weird to me. It's not like air travel affects your wrist or you can't find a gym in Mexico City?
She has to pay her ever-rotating team and that costs a ton of money, so how can we fault her for making some and/or enjoying it in the process (if she did).
I understand criticizing a player who does a potentially dangerous physical activity (like skiing) while recovering from an injury, I don't understand an objection to travel or an evening out.
Exactly, all of it. In fact, down time is the best time to do some sponsor work. And the sport needs promotion in Mexico, so win-win
by ti-amie Krejcikova has reportedly split with her long time coach. No replacement has been named.
by meganfernandez
by ponchi101 And I am unlikely to change my opinion that that approach is not conducive to great tennis. Hey, you can go Pete Sampras and have one "main coach" and get others to help you with specific strokes (Pete Fisher sent Sampras to Rober Lansdrop to teach him a proper FH). But I think you need, at the very least, a "Project Manager". Somebody to give you continuity in your training and preparation.
It can't be a Swedish chef this week, then a French one next, next month someone from Thailand. The food won't come out well.
by ashkor87 A lot depends on the players' ability to absorb and internalze inputs, so if he/she can handle a multiplicity of inputs, why not.
by ponchi101 And I just finished reading an article in The Telegraph, saying that coaches are weary of working with her because they know about this high turn-over ratio.
It is simply a very complicated approach to coaching.
by ti-amie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:40 pm
And I just finished reading an article in The Telegraph, saying that coaches are weary of working with her because they know about this high turn-over ratio.
It is simply a very complicated an ignorant approach to coaching.
Fixed that for ya!
by meganfernandez Sascha and Pliskova split again. Muguruza, get on the phone. People also suggested Gauff, but Sascha replied that she's in good hands with Pere Riba and her hitting partner.
Other suggestions: Wozniacki, Leylah, Raducanu, Ostapenko, Azarenka, Keys, Andreeva of course, Kerber comeback... you know who never comes up in these discussions? Chinese players. I feel like fans aren't nearly familiar enough with them.
by ti-amie Unless he's desperate he won't get within ten feet of Raducanu.
by ponchi101 I would say: take it as a short term project. Sign a contract for three months, with a good severance clause.
by meganfernandez
ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 11:38 pm
Unless he's desperate he won't get within ten feet of Raducanu.
Last summer, he said he'd love to be on that team. It was on the Craig Shapiro podcast. He said, "She's a super, super interesting case and I do believe I could help her." He said he just wants to be successful, that's it. And he believes in himself as a coach, so I think he believes whatever job he would take, he can make that player a champion and that's job stability. He doesn't care about drama or personality. He said he can lock in and just coach. It was a great interview. (Fwiw, I wasn't involved with the podcast at that time, and all I do it cut it anyway. I'm taking no credit. ) https://shows.acast.com/craigtennispod/ ... aschabajin
Craig asked if there was truth to the rumor that he was trying to coach Anisimova, and he said he'd be very interested but hadn't had any conversations. He said he doesn't reach out to players. He said there were a few others he would really love to coach, but didn't name them. Last summer when he and Pliskova split, he said he wanted time to "get over Kaja, the relationship" and had already had some offers. We'll see what happens this time.
by skatingfan I wonder if her parents are ready to back away.
by ponchi101
skatingfan wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 2:59 pm
I wonder if her parents are ready to back away.
Which is key to her improvement.
by Owendonovan
skatingfan wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 2:59 pm
I wonder if her parents are ready to back away.
Not entirely.
"The pair had only met over Zoom before deciding to work together ahead of a Wimbledon tuneup tournament in late June. Gauff, whose father, Corey, also remains a constant coaching presence on her team, was in between coaches following the Miami Open this spring and instantly connected with Riba, a 35-year-old former top-100 men’s player from Spain."
by skatingfan
Owendonovan wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 4:47 pm
Not entirely.
"The pair had only met over Zoom before deciding to work together ahead of a Wimbledon tuneup tournament in late June. Gauff, whose father, Corey, also remains a constant coaching presence on her team, was in between coaches following the Miami Open this spring and instantly connected with Riba, a 35-year-old former top-100 men’s player from Spain."
Yeah I read that quote. I was just wondering if this could the beginning of a gradual withdrawal. It seems like the best thing for many of these parent-coached players is to have the parent withdraw from that role as the player matures, and takes control of their career.
by ponchi101 History says that seldom happens. Gloria Connors yielding to Pancho Segura and Yuri Sharapov fading out are the exceptions.
We can see it with Zverev, Ruud, Garcia, Kenin and several others.
by JTContinental I read today Coco and Riba only have an agreement to work together through the US Open and will reassess after the tournament is done, and that he was brought in specifically to address her forehand and offense.
by ti-amie Cori has added Brad Gilbert to her team...
by ponchi101 So now it is: Riba, Gilbert, Mom&dad?
Well, at the very least she is truly trying several approaches.
by ashkor87 Gilbert was so good at winning..his genius was in making his opponent play badly. I have seen him get Becker to totally self-destruct. If Coco can learn that from him, and fix her forehand with Riba...!
by ponchi101 Ok. If now the coaches will compartmentalize and each one deals with something specific, this is a "systems" approach and it might work. But then, you need a systems manager to make sure everything works in tandem.
And I do not know Pera but I don't see Gilbert staying in just one lane.
by ashkor87 observe the drill Gilbert is putting her through - he is encouraging here to make room to hit her forehand.. which is precisely correct. That IS her problem... great if she can fix it.
by ponchi101 My GF tells me that Stefanos has posted that his dad will take some time off. Because his dad has not had a vacation since Stefanos was 12.
Phillipousis will remain in charge in this hiatus.
by JTContinental Venus is now working with former tour journeyman Hugo Armando.
by ti-amie Jon Wertheim
@jon_wertheim@sportsbots.xyz
I would add that she has handled this so deftly. It can’t be easy for a teenager to say “mom and dad, thanks for everything; but time for me to hear some new voices”… She has threaded the needle, crediting the in-house team but also seeking outside counsel
by JTContinental Tsitsipas has fired Mark Phillipoussis for the second time this summer
by ti-amie Rune has also dropped Mouratoglou.
by ponchi101 Stefanos firing Phillipousis:
Rune firing Patrick:
by skatingfan
JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:28 am
Tsitsipas has fired Mark Phillipoussis for the second time this summer
ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:41 am
Rune has also dropped Mouratoglou.
Great, now they can continue to be coached by their parent.
No. They may talk to Coco and see that there are also other options out there. In Rune's case, it is not "Patrick or Mom/Dad". I am sure he can get any coach he wants (if available).
by FredX
JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:28 am
Tsitsipas has fired Mark Phillipoussis for the second time this summer
Had seats overlooking the Tsitsipas box for that match. Phillippousis bolted out of the stadium almost immediately - wonder if he knew his goose was cooked right then and there.
JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:28 am
Tsitsipas has fired Mark Phillipoussis for the second time this summer
Had seats overlooking the Tsitsipas box for that match. Phillippousis bolted out of the stadium almost immediately - wonder if he knew his goose was cooked right then and there.
JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:28 am
Tsitsipas has fired Mark Phillipoussis for the second time this summer
Had seats overlooking the Tsitsipas box for that match. Phillippousis bolted out of the stadium almost immediately - wonder if he knew his goose was cooked right then and there.
Or he had some gastrointestinal distress...
Probably what you said.
Could be related!
by ti-amie
by ti-amie Let's follow the bouncing ball.
Pere Riba was coaching Zheng Qinwen. Her team, not her (take that however you want) decided Riba was crap because Qinwen didn't get a Slam. They picked Wim Fissette who had been coaching Naomi Osaka.
Fissette has now kicked Qinwen to the curb to go back to coaching Naomi while as we all know Pere Riba working with Brad Gilbert, got Cori Gauff a Slam. By doing this it seems Fissette broke the contract he signed with Qinwen. Oh, and Qinwen won the Gold Medal in tennis at the Asia Games.
Qinwen is calling Fissette "immoral" and says she and her family are really upset.
I wonder who will be playing who in Melbourne this coming January?
by ashkor87 Of course, the Asian Games gold medal is jo big deal...competition is about itf tour level..
by ashkor87 Of course, the Asian Games gold medal is no big deal...competition is about itf tour level..
by ti-amie
by ti-amie Ever since he told Halep to tank a match so that Serena would be eliminated from a YEC back in the day I've felt this man is shady. I had forgotten about the Kerber situation.
I didn't like him coaching Naomi for the above reasons.
The Halep thing is why I became a fan of hers btw.
by ponchi101 Didn't know that he had encouraged Simona to do that. And, indeed, that is a line for me. There is no circumstance in which you tank a match that is acceptable to me. Not even a set.
by meganfernandez
ti-amie wrote:Ever since he told Halep to tank a match so that Serena would be eliminated from a YEC back in the day I've felt this man is shady. I had forgotten about the Kerber situation.
I didn't like him coaching Naomi for the above reasons.
The Halep thing is why I became a fan of hers btw.
Did Halep refuse to do it? Is that why you became a fan?
ti-amie wrote:Ever since he told Halep to tank a match so that Serena would be eliminated from a YEC back in the day I've felt this man is shady. I had forgotten about the Kerber situation.
I didn't like him coaching Naomi for the above reasons.
The Halep thing is why I became a fan of hers btw.
Did Halep refuse to do it? Is that why you became a fan?
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Halep didn't do it and that is why this doping thing is so frustrating.
by ponchi101 Didn't do it, Serena advanced to the semis, and won that year.
by ashkor87 I guess a balance is needed..my music guru would never tolerate such questions from me, but I do encourage them from my own students (not music!) - if the coach obviously knows much more, maybe Emma should just listen...what do people here think?
by meganfernandez
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:53 am
I guess a balance is needed..my music guru would never tolerate such questions from me, but I do encourage them from my own students (not music!) - if the coach obviously knows much more, maybe Emma should just listen...what do people here think?
Balance for sure. And lean toward listening to your extremely experienced coach. It should be a collaboration, and if that dynamic isn't there, then it won't work. But Emma has to be a cooperative collaborator. I have a hard time believing none of those great coaches were willing to listen to her enough.
Murray is like that to an extent. Gilbert said Murray always said, "Show me the evidence," as if science has gotten around to proving every element of tennis theory. That would infuriate me. The coaches are working with a lot of anecdotal evidence, as I'm sure Murray does in his own life as well.
by ti-amie
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:53 am
I guess a balance is needed..my music guru would never tolerate such questions from me, but I do encourage them from my own students (not music!) - if the coach obviously knows much more, maybe Emma should just listen...what do people here think?
I can't believe she's implying that she knows more than the people she's hired to coach her and saying they couldn't handle her "provoking questions" is the reason they left. Really? If she knows so much how come her results have been dismal to put it mildly? She's delusional if she really thinks like this.
Balance for sure. And lean toward listening to your extremely experienced coach. It should be a collaboration, and if that dynamic isn't there, then it won't work. But Emma has to be a cooperative collaborator. I have a hard time believing none of those great coaches were willing to listen to her enough.
Murray is like that to an extent. Gilbert said Murray always said, "Show me the evidence," as if science has gotten around to proving every element of tennis theory. That would infuriate me. The coaches are working with a lot of anecdotal evidence, as I'm sure Murray does in his own life as well.
When Lendl started hitting his second serves more forcefully, the evidence was simple: he made the calculation that serving harder would lead to more DF's, but also to more points won on 2nd serves. Sometimes, some numerical evidence is there to be understood.
But she should then also look at some evidence. Like: you have had something like 8 coaches since you won the USO. And you are not playing well. Can't be them, Emma.
It has to cut both ways.
by ti-amie Christopher Clarey
@christophclarey
Arthur Fils, the French 19-year-old on a fast track, changes coaches. Will be coached by Sebastian Grosjean & two-time French Open champion Sergi Bruguera, who already have worked together with Richard Gasquet.
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by Owendonovan No one's banging down Emma's door to coach her, unless the coaches have a side, Tennis Coaching Merry Go Round, game they play.
by ti-amie I mean they must all be quaking in their boots at the thought of her asking them "provocative questions" or whatever she said she does to drive them away.
/s
by ponchi101 Fils has the potential. And that is a good team of coaches.
Let's give them a year. What can we expect? At least one Slam QF?
by ti-amie FITP
@federtennis
Si separano le strade di Matteo #Berrettini e Vincenzo Santopadre
L’annuncio su Instagram del tennista azzurro:
“Non credo di poter riuscire a buttare giù qualcosa che possa veramente far capire quello che sento per te. La riconoscenza, l'affetto, il rispetto, l'ammirazione, la gratitudine, la gioia e tutto quello che c'è di bello nel nostro rapporto si possono raccontare solo con un abbraccio... Grazie vinz, ti voglio bene”
#tennis
Translated from Italian by Google
The paths of Matteo #Berrettini and Vincenzo Santopadre separate
The Italian tennis player's announcement on Instagram:
“I don't think I can put down anything that will truly convey how I feel about you. Gratitude, affection, respect, admiration, gratitude, joy and everything that is beautiful in our relationship can only be expressed with a hug... Thank you Vinz, I love you"
by ponchi101 Why the split? It is obviously not Santopadre's fault that he has been injured so often.
by JTContinental Tennis Channel is reporting that Pere Riba has been dropped from Gauff’s coaching team.
by ashkor87 Not surprised..It was all Gilbert anyway...
by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:05 am
Not surprised..It was all Gilbert anyway...
How do we know? Gilbert is certainly not bad at self-promotion, but I wonder if we know what did Pere bring to the court.
by JTContinental Follow up: Gauff stated after her match that it was Riba’s decision to leave
by ti-amie
JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:36 am
Tennis Channel is reporting that Pere Riba has been dropped from Gauff’s coaching team.
by meganfernandez
JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:46 pm
Follow up: Gauff stated after her match that it was Riba’s decision to leave
Which may or may not be true, or fully true. Or maybe he got a great offer elsewhere.
by JTContinental I imagine playing second fiddle to Brad Gilbert is a very small part.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:05 am
Not surprised..It was all Gilbert anyway...
How do we know? Gilbert is certainly not bad at self-promotion, but I wonder if we know what did Pere bring to the court.
I was going by the video clip of Coco's practice session..Gilbert was feeding the balls and giving her advice, Riba was doing pushups on the side..!
Speculation I heard was it was just money. They don’t need to pay him when they have BG and Jarmere. But then why bring him on in the first place and then add BG right away? I figured he would be the day-to-day coach and BG wouldn’t go to every event.
by ti-amie
by ponchi101 No big news. It is not as if these two are not friends. If Andy needs him for one thing or another, sure Ivan will be there, if possible.
by ti-amie
by meganfernandez Roddick was hitting with Coco today and working on the serve, at the club he belongs to in Charlotte. My friend is a member and saw them. BG and Jarmere (right Jenkins?) were there, too.
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by ti-amie
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:53 pm
Roddick was hitting with Coco today and working on the serve, at the club he belongs to in Charlotte. My friend is a member and saw them. BG and Jarmere (right Jenkins?) were there, too.
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Roddick has been staying away from tennis but maybe Gilbert and now Jarmere being on her team will incentivize him to get more involved?
by meganfernandez
ti-amie wrote:
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:53 pm
Roddick was hitting with Coco today and working on the serve, at the club he belongs to in Charlotte. My friend is a member and saw them. BG and Jarmere (right Jenkins?) were there, too.
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Roddick has been staying away from tennis but maybe Gilbert and now Jarmere being on her team will incentivize him to get more involved?
Maybe… btw Roddick plays there a few times a week.
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:53 pm
Roddick was hitting with Coco today and working on the serve, at the club he belongs to in Charlotte. My friend is a member and saw them. BG and Jarmere (right Jenkins?) were there, too.
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Roddick has been staying away from tennis but maybe Gilbert and now Jarmere being on her team will incentivize him to get more involved?
Maybe… btw Roddick plays there a few times a week.
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Nice
by ti-amieWilliams sisters’ former coach: I’d like to work with Emma Raducanu
Exclusive: Rick Macci believes Briton has the ability to be one of the world's best, but needs to demonstrate 'hunger and belief'
By
Pete Thompson
22 November 2023 • 2:50pm
The esteemed coach who put Serena Williams on the path to greatness wants to help revive Emma Raducanu’s career by making her “bulletproof”.
But Rick Macci also warned that “I don’t know where her head is at,” adding that real progress would require Raducanu to show “hunger and belief”.
Raducanu has not played since April after undergoing double wrist surgery and an ankle operation. Two years after her sensational US Open triumph at the age of 18, she has plummeted to 289th in the world rankings, and remains without a coach following a split with Sebastian Sachs in June.
Sachs was the fifth coach in under two years that Raducanu – who turned 21 this month – has worked with. In a recent interview with the BBC’s Today Programme, she suggested that “they [her coaches] haven’t been able to keep up with the questions I asked”.
Macci – who was memorably portrayed by actor Jon Bernthal in the Oscar-winning movie King Richard – has nurtured the talents of such tennis giants as Serena and Venus Williams, Andy Roddick and Jennifer Capriati. Now the American says he would relish the chance to work with Raducanu.
The Florida-based 68-year-old said: “I spoke to her agent, but he said her parents deal with coaching appointments.
“I’m not a travel coach, people come to me. I can help her mentally and strategically like no other. I don’t know where her head is at, whether there is the hunger and belief there to be the best.
“If you look at Carlos Alcaraz, everything changed for him with success at an early age, but he was ready and loaded. I don’t know Emma or what’s in her head, but you don’t lose talent and ability.
“Yes, you might lose a little confidence and fitness, but technically she’s very good – you don’t win a Grand Slam otherwise. If she really wants to be one of the best in the world – and she has the ability – then you need to cope with the pressure that comes with that.
“She should want pressure. You do all this training to be a professional player and want to be the best in the world. She has to be able to deal with what comes with that. She must be prepared to deal with the media.
“To say she sometimes wishes she didn’t win the US Open because of the mental and physical strain it has brought cuts both ways; If she’s going to listen to every little thing that is said about her then that doesn’t work, you’ve got to be bulletproof and I can help her with that.
“You need an ability to forget just as importantly as the ability to remember and she must learn from the adversity she’s faced.”
The charismatic Macci believes spending so much time off court can benefit Raducanu in the long run. But there will be no quick fix for a talent who made history at Flushing Meadows by becoming the first player to win a major as a qualifier.
He continued: “It can be good to have time out to reflect, as Naomi Osaka did before she was pregnant after success early in her career. But working on areas such as footwork and technique takes time, building confidence takes time.
“She’s maturing and by having time out she can see who is maturing around her, what she expects of them and what she expects of herself.
“The good thing is she’s very young and this a long-term process, it’s not where you start, it’s where you finish. It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out. I know when you qualify and then win a Grand Slam without losing a set you’ve got something special between the ears – and much of the game is played between the ears.
“She must have a mature mindset and it’s so important to get the right people around her. If she wants to be up there with the best in the world you have to be all in, or you’re going to be out.”
Macci’s comments come at a time when Raducanu has been gradually building towards a possible playing return in the New Year. Already, though, she has fallen behind her original schedule. A week ago, she withdrew from the MGM Macau Masters – an exhibition event on Dec 2 that she had signed up for in the summer.
It is now three-and-a-half months since Raducanu posted her first on-court video after her surgeries, which showed her gently patting soft red balls back and forth with fellow rehabber Kyle Edmund. Yet sources suggest that she only began serious hitting sessions in October, and is this week using standard yellow balls for the first time.
If the rate of progress has been slower than might have been expected, we can perhaps attribute that to supervision from the Lawn Tennis Association’s physiotherapy department, who will naturally take a safety-first stance with such a high-profile player.
It is also understood that the Raducanu family have looked again at hiring their own training experts. (Will Herbert, the physio at her side during the victorious US Open run, now works with her near contemporary Jack Draper, while experienced fitness trainer Jez Green joined as a consultant just over a year ago but is no longer involved.)
But keeping staff on-board remains an issue, and whispers have emerged of further “artistic differences” with the outside (non-LTA) experts that were consulted. Since that glorious US Open, nothing in the Raducanu story has been straightforward.
by ashkor87 Riba is back with Qinwen ..good for both I guess ..both sort of dumped...
by ti-amie
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:28 pm
Riba is back with Qinwen ..good for both I guess ..both sort of dumped...
Glad to see this.
by meganfernandez
ashkor87 wrote:Riba is back with Qinwen ..good for both I guess ..both sort of dumped...
Happy for her.
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by JTContinental I don't think it's popular opinion anywhere but here that Riba was dumped rather than quit. Riba himself said he left because of his inability to travel as much due to family commitments.
by ti-amie Also I think Qinwen trains in Spain so...
by ti-amie
This was about Raducanu dumping her physio therapist. The comments are still there so I won't delete the post.
by ti-amieFederer's Former Coach Joins Rune's Team Ahead Of 2024 Season
by Jordan Reynolds
Holger Rune has announced that one of Roger Federer's ex-coaches has been added to his team for the new season.
The Danish star already generated attention this year when six-time Grand Slam champion Boris Becker became his coach. Becker, who has made headlines recently with a war of words with Nick Kyrgios, will continue to coach Rune in 2024.
Adding someone of Severin Luthi's stature to work with Becker and the rest of Rune's team is an unexpected but exciting announcement for last year's Paris Masters champion.
Few other players can match the experience Rune now has in his camp. Luthi was a member of Federer's coaching team for 15 years. This was from 2007 until the Swiss legend's retirement from the sport in 2022, with Luthi becoming one of Federer's most trusted confidants on the ATP Tour.
Luthi was on Federer's coaching team for 11 of the 20 Grand Slams that the tennis legend won. He also played a role in Federer's outstanding longevity in the sport, with three of the Grand Slams he won coming after Federer turned 35.
In addition, Luthi has been the Swiss Davis Cup captain since 2005. That tenure included a memorable triumph in 2014, when Federer and Stan Wawrinka led Switzerland to their first and only Davis Cup title.
Rune clearly rates the track record that Luthi possesses, and he expressed his excitement about the addition of Luthi in a post on his Instagram page.
It will be interesting to hear further about what Rune feels Luthi can help him with. The Swiss coach did not have the dazzling playing career that Becker had. However, his record as a coach is undoubtedly extensive and impressive.
Rune's first match with his new coaching team is set to be at the Brisbane International, with Rune also set to play doubles in Brisbane with three-time Grand Slam champion Andy Murray.
skatingfan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:33 pm
Is mom still going to be involved?
When I saw her in the picture all I could do is shake my head.
We've got Raducanu who knows better than any coach on the planet and Rune's mother who seems to think dueling coaches will work best for her son. I don't know anything about Luthi's personality but we all know Boris. This will be an interesting experiment.
by skatingfan
ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:03 am
When I saw her in the picture all I could do is shake my head.
We've got Raducanu who knows better than any coach on the planet and Rune's mother who seems to think dueling coaches will work best for her son. I don't know anything about Luthi's personality but we all know Boris. This will be an interesting experiment.
Luthi has never worked with anyone else other than Federer, and unofficially with Wawrinka because he was Switzerland's Davis Cup Captain. I wonder how it will work with a player who he hasn't known for decades, and also manage the personalities of Becker, and the mother.
by ti-amie
by Owendonovan
skatingfan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:33 pm
Is mom still going to be involved?
skatingfan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:33 pm
Is mom still going to be involved?
I think she will remain his punching bag.
I don't think this woman is anybody's punching bag. Sure, he yells at her; but I don't think he has the reins...
by ashkor87 I didn't think Ferreira was a good fit for Tiafoe or even a good coach at all...
by ponchi101 What about the results? Wayne was there to make him reach his highest ranking. That should count for something, at least.
by ashkor87 I guess only Tiafoe knows who is good for him and who is not ..I will leave it at that
by ti-amieYibing Wu Continues Trend Of Working With Two Coaches After Appointing Wayne Ferreira
by Nurein Ahmed
Yibing Wu has named former ATP No. 6 Wayne Ferreira his new coach, but the retired South African star will not work alone.
The idea of working with two coaches has become a norm on the ATP Tour, with several established stars having at least two tennis coaches within their camps, outside of their hitting partners and physiotherapists.
Some ATP players in a dual partnership include Jannik Sinner, who works with Simone Vagnozzi and Darren Cahill. The pair won the men's tour's 2023 Coach of the Year award.
Greece's Stefanos Tsitsipas simultaneously worked with his father, Apostolos, and former Wimbledon finalist Mark Philippoussis, but that alliance was short-lived. World No. 2 Carlos Alcaraz works with Juan Carlos Ferrero and Samuel Lopez.
The presence of two coaches helps with delegating day-to-day work and filling in for the other in their absence. For instance, Ferrero is set to miss the Australian Open next month to focus on his recovery from a knee operation, leaving all coaching responsibility to Lopez when he travels with Alcaraz in the first quarter of 2024.
Holger Rune appears to have jumped on that bandwagon, too. Having tied Boris Becker to a long-term contract, the Dane recently brought on board one of Roger Federer's longtime coaches, Severin Luthi, for the upcoming season.
Yibing Wu, who became China's first ATP titlist last February when he won the Dallas Open in dramatic circumstances, has been working with Marcos Baghdatis, also a former ATP pro, since March 2023.
The addition of Wayne Ferreira is certainly a significant boost for Yibing Wu's preparations for the upcoming season. Ferreira won 15 titles during his playing career, which spanned 16 years. He achieved his best Grand Slam result at the Australian Open, where he was a two-time semifinalist.
Until his appointment in this latest role, the South African coached USA's Frances Tiafoe since 2020 but decided to go their separate ways this month. Their partnership lasted three years, and Ferreira takes massive acclaim for steering Tiafoe to a previous best ranking of World No. 10.
Under Ferreira's tutelage, the flamboyant Tiafoe reached a maiden Grand Slam semifinal at the 2022 US Open. He remains eternally grateful for his work, developing him into the player he is today.
Bouzkova signs up Conchita..she is quite different from Muguruza so let us see...
by ponchi101 Conchita was quite different from Mugu, so I say this can be a good coaching relationship. But, as you say, let us see.
by ti-amie
by ponchi101 Andy had one of the fastest serves in the sport. A completely obvious understatement. But was he a great server? I never felt he mixed it well enough, and he lacked a bit of variety for my taste.
Can he teach mechanics? Sure. But I wonder if he could teach placement. After all, he did not need it.
by ti-amie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:10 pm
Andy had one of the fastest serves in the sport. A completely obvious understatement. But was he a great server? I never felt he mixed it well enough, and he lacked a bit of variety for my taste.
Can he teach mechanics? Sure. But I wonder if he could teach placement. After all, he did not need it.
I think Cori needed/needs to have better mechanics on her serve. As you say Roddick would be able to teach her that.
My friend was on the court next to them in Charlotte and told me they were working on her serve. They were in a big tennis club. Nice place but not behind closed doors or anything.
Andreeva's turn to change horses...or teams, or something...
by ponchi101 Why? Not as if the people behind her have been doing a bad job.
by ashkor87 Possibly wants to spend more time at home ? Russian coach etc.
by Owendonovan
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:28 am
Possibly wants to spend more time at home ? Russian coach etc.
Says she's staying in France. I'd stay in Cannes before Sochi.
by ashkor87 I hear Bajin is coaching Alycia Parks.. I am a bit ambivalent about this news.. I dont think of Bajin as a good coach, or even a coach at all but there is no doubt AP needs somebody... she is playing like a kid right now..
by ti-amie At least she understands that she needs someone other than her dad to take her to the next level.
by JTContinental I do think Andreeva switching coaches is a good idea. She will contend for slams once she improves her serve and shot selection.
skatingfan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:58 am
Luthi has never worked with anyone else other than Federer, and unofficially with Wawrinka because he was Switzerland's Davis Cup Captain. I wonder how it will work with a player who he hasn't known for decades, and also manage the personalities of Becker, and the mother.
I guess I got my answer.
by Owendonovan "Holger needs a coach who is with him all the time and a super coach (Boris Becker ed.)."
Holger sounds very needy.
by ti-amie
Owendonovan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 1:53 pm
"Holger needs a coach who is with him all the time and a super coach (Boris Becker ed.)."
Holger sounds very needy.
Has he been weaned yet?
/s
by Owendonovan He was probably born with teeth and no belly button.
by ti-amie
Owendonovan wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:16 am He was probably born with teeth and no belly button.
by meganfernandez Pegula is at her Witt’s end. Sorry.::: they split.
So who will she pick? Saban or Carroll? Belichick?
I wonder if he would work with Cori considering the two women are friendly.
Then again Raducanu could ask him questions for a week or two before firing him because he doesn't know as much as she does...
So who will she pick? Saban or Carroll? Belichick?
I wonder if he would work with Cori considering the two women are friendly.
Then again Raducanu could ask him questions for a week or two before firing him because he doesn't know as much as she does...
I wonder if she is going to sign off soon.. she doesnt need the money or the aggravation or the injuries..and she seems to have hit a wall anyway.. not able to challenge seriously for major titles..
by ti-amie
by skatingfan Things must be really bad if they're jumping ship this quickly - this seems like a Tsitsipas situation - we'll see whether Rune can cut the apron strings, because Tsitsipas never has, because otherwise he's done.
by Owendonovan Well, the Rune's are wealthy, so they have all the right answers. I'm also not opposed to watching wealthy peoples "plans" go to pot. Maybe if Holger grows up one day, he'll know how to escape.
by JTContinental Becker's reason for leaving sounds suspect to me. I'm guessing there's got to be some sort of conflict happening for both coaches to jump ship.
by meganfernandez
skatingfan wrote:Things must be really bad if they're jumping ship this quickly - this seems like a Tsitsipas situation - we'll see whether Rune can cut the apron strings, because Tsitsipas never has, because otherwise he's done.
I just edited the Shapiro podcast with Aneke Rune. It’s out - I recommend a listen.
She seems wise, normal and like a good tennis parent, not a controlling one. She explained that last year was necessary for Holger from a maturity standpoint. She said he has had the same coach since he was 6 and it is normal to not find the perfect scenario right away after moving on from that. It could take some trial and error. She also said they were naive to think they could change coaches (Luthi) before a Slam and expect good results … it was too much adjustment. They’d had a great offseason with him and thought it might work out, but practice and Grand Slam matches are too different, too hard to gauge that way. But they were encouraged by the early results, when he played well in UTS in London and finaled Brisbane, because he had lost first round in Adelaide two years in a row. But at the AO, he was flat against Cazeaux, who played a great match.
With Boris, it sounds like they clicked personally and that is important to Rune, so they signed up with him even though they knew he wouldn’t be available very much. And ultimately they changed their mind. Same with Luthi - he wasn't going to work with Holger again just til late March. They decided that was too long to go between sessions, after the AO.
Anyway, it’s easy to judge but the guy is 20 and has had great success. Changing teams isn't a science. Sounds like Mouratoglou might be coming back.
by meganfernandez
JTContinental wrote:Becker's reason for leaving sounds suspect to me. I'm guessing there's got to be some sort of conflict happening for both coaches to jump ship.
Not necessarily. Could be scheduling.
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by meganfernandez
ti-amie wrote:
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:28 am
Pegula is at her Witt’s end. Sorry.::: they split.
So who will she pick? Saban or Carroll? Belichick?
I wonder if he would work with Cori considering the two women are friendly.
Then again Raducanu could ask him questions for a week or two before firing him because he doesn't know as much as she does...
Haha.
Coco doesn’t need a coach. I bet they wouldn’t let the friendship get in the way of a potential coaching relationship, though.
skatingfan wrote:Things must be really bad if they're jumping ship this quickly - this seems like a Tsitsipas situation - we'll see whether Rune can cut the apron strings, because Tsitsipas never has, because otherwise he's done.
I just edited the Shapiro podcast with Aneke Rune. It’s out - I recommend a listen.
She seems wise, normal and like a good tennis parent, not a controlling one. She explained that last year was necessary for Holger from a maturity standpoint. She said he has had the same coach since he was 6 and it is normal to not find the perfect scenario right away after moving on from that. It could take some trial and error. She also said they were naive to think they could change coaches (Luthi) before a Slam and expect good results … it was too much adjustment. They’d had a great offseason with him and thought it might work out, but practice and Grand Slam matches are too different, too hard to gauge that way. But they were encouraged by the early results, when he played well in UTS in London and finaled Brisbane, because he had lost first round in Adelaide two years in a row. But at the AO, he was flat against Cazeaux, who played a great match.
With Boris, it sounds like they clicked personally and that is important to Rune, so they signed up with him even though they knew he wouldn’t be available very much. And ultimately they changed their mind. Same with Luthi - he wasn't going to work with Holger again just til late March. They decided that was too long to go between sessions, after the AO.
Anyway, it’s easy to judge but the guy is 20 and has had great success. Changing teams isn't a science. Sounds like Mouratoglou might be coming back.
Yeah, I was in a bit of a mood about things going on in skating, and was probably too harsh on the Rune's situation. I will look for that podcast.
by ti-amie Thanks for this Megan.
by ashkor87 Sakkari has split from her coach Tom Hill after 6 years...she definitely needs a change...
by ponchi101 She needs to stop training as hard physically and train on bringing more variety to her game. Her conditioning is off the charts. Her tennis has stalled in the last three years.
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:45 pm
She needs to stop training as hard physically and train on bringing more variety to her game. Her conditioning is off the charts. Her tennis has stalled in the last three years.
yes, completely agree. But it isnt so easy to add variety, going to the gym is easier! Maybe this is her limit.
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by ti-amie Christopher Clarey
@christophclarey@sportsbots.xyz
Jessica Pegula, back on tour in San Diego after split with longtime coach David Witt, just told us she is now working with Mark Merklein & Mark Knowles, both former tour players. Knowles was No. 1 in doubles
by ti-amieFormer world No 6 gives insight into how he is helping Daniil Medvedev in coaching role
In an interview with Le Figaro, Simon revealed he has been helping Medvedev since December and that he had given him tactical advice ahead of his first win over Novak Djokovic at the 2019 Monte Carlo Masters.
“Daniil contacted me and asked if I’d be interested in doing a few weeks with them (Medvedev and his team) in 2024,” the 39-year-old said.
“[In 2019, before Medvedev faced Djokovic in the quarter-finals in Monte-Carlo] he had said to me: ‘Novak…what do you think?’ I had explained to him how to play and he had won. He remembered, which is why he wanted to try it out with me.
“I’ve already been working with him since December, but we haven’t said anything. In Australia, I sent all the tactics. During Daniil’s matches, I would send instructions to Gilles Cervara, who would pass them on, or not, in real time to Daniil! That’s really where I can help him.
“For example, he gave me a list of 16 players he doesn’t like to play against, and I prepared 16 tactics! Daniil is extremely strong tactically, feels very precisely what needs to be done, but it happens to him, like everyone else, to make mistakes.
“Because of emotions, because he’s impatient… So, I try to explain it to him, and I think he likes it.”
ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:59 pm
Christopher Clarey
@christophclarey@sportsbots.xyz
Jessica Pegula, back on tour in San Diego after split with longtime coach David Witt, just told us she is now working with Mark Merklein & Mark Knowles, both former tour players. Knowles was No. 1 in doubles
She played Knowles's charity tournament in December, too. And last year, I think.
ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:59 pm
Christopher Clarey
@christophclarey@sportsbots.xyz
Jessica Pegula, back on tour in San Diego after split with longtime coach David Witt, just told us she is now working with Mark Merklein & Mark Knowles, both former tour players. Knowles was No. 1 in doubles
She played Knowles's charity tournament in December, too. And last year, I think.
good, not retiring or anything. But does it mean she wants to focus on doubles more?
ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:59 pm
Christopher Clarey
@christophclarey@sportsbots.xyz
Jessica Pegula, back on tour in San Diego after split with longtime coach David Witt, just told us she is now working with Mark Merklein & Mark Knowles, both former tour players. Knowles was No. 1 in doubles
She played Knowles's charity tournament in December, too. And last year, I think.
good, not retiring or anything. But does it mean she wants to focus on doubles more?
Almost definitely not. Must communicate well with him and respect his knowledge and views on preparing, analyzing opponents, getting the most out of her game, etc.
Feels so good to see this..now we need more women coaching men...
by jazzyg I've never liked Knowles as a commentator or a coach. Maybe it will work out with Pegula, but I doubt it.
by ashkor87 Sakkari now working with Witt...hope she learns there is more to tennis that building muscle.
by ponchi101 Exactly. I think she focuses to much on the physical part, and has not been learning a few new things.
It reminds me of one practice session I saw with Rublev. Vicente was feeding him balls to his forehand, and Andrei was hitting three inside out forehands and then crushing one down the line. I thought: "You REALLY need to practice THAT? That is 90% of what you do all the time, in every match against everybody."
I know you have to keep your strengths, but you have to add new things too. Let's see what Witt can teach Sakkari.
by ashkor87 Yes, practice what?..McEnroe said once he only practices going backwards, because people keep lobbing him . .no point trying to pass him
by ti-amie
by ponchi101 Uhm.... somebody is losing confidence in his game? I wonder...
by ponchi101 Good comment from Clerc:
"That also means he has no intention to retire soon."
by ashkor87 Djoko is probably upset because Goran cannot figure out what is wrong with him....my own theory is it is Old Father Time...Kaala as we say in India (btw the verse Oppenheimer read in the movie said 'I am Kaala' not 'I am death'....)
by dave g
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:59 am
Djoko is probably upset because Goran cannot figure out what is wrong with him....my own theory is it is Old Father Time...Kaala as we say in India (btw the verse Oppenheimer read in the movie said 'I am Kaala' not 'I am death'....)
I agree with this analysis. Clerc might be right in saying that Djokovic doesn't plan on retiring anytime soon. However, it is not clear to me that Djokovic will ever truly return to winning majors, nor does Djokovic realize that he is not likely to win majors anymore. That is, just because Djokovic is not planning on retiring anytime soon does not mean that he will not retire anytime soon.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:59 am
Djoko is probably upset because Goran cannot figure out what is wrong with him....my own theory is it is Old Father Time...Kaala as we say in India (btw the verse Oppenheimer read in the movie said 'I am Kaala' not 'I am death'....)
I agree with this analysis. Clerc might be right in saying that Djokovic doesn't plan on retiring anytime soon. However, it is not clear to me that Djokovic will ever truly return to winning majors, nor does Djokovic realize that he is not likely to win majors anymore. That is, just because Djokovic is not planning on retiring anytime soon does not mean that he will not retire anytime soon.
The guy nearly won the Grand Slam last year and avenged the Sinner losses at the Davis Cup. You could be right but it has only been a few months. People tend to overreact to a few months of results in tennis. A month ago, people were saying Alcaraz wasn't the same since he won Wimbledon last year. Now he's unbeatable again. If Novak isn't hurt, he will win more.
Maybe Vajda comes back.
by ashkor87 The thing is- Djokovic is such a perfectly tuned machine..when something goes wrong nobody knows what to do because nobody knows how it worked in the first place ..happened with Wilander too...
by meganfernandez
ashkor87 wrote:The thing is- Djokovic is such a perfectly tuned machine..when something goes wrong nobody knows what to do because nobody knows how it worked in the first place ..happened with Wilander too...
He knows.
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by ponchi101 Wilander was different. He himself said it: once he reached #1, he had no motivation left. That was the reason that after his annus mirabilis, he never won anything else.
Sure, maybe we have seen the last slam from Novak. But as Megan says, his grand slam draught stands at 1. And he made the semis. So, I would not still count him out in any way.
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by dave g Back to Novak: To me, the "red flag" isn't separating from Goran, it is the fact that he withdrew from Miami. If his loss at Indian Wells was just him having a bad day, he should have wanted to play Miami. The fact that he decided to not play Miami suggests to me that he (Novak) thinks that there is a problem with his game. (Either that, or like Mats, he is no longer sufficiently motivated. But I don't believe that.)
The fact that he separated from Goran says that he does not think that Goran knows how to fix the problem. If the problem is just getting older, than there is no fix that I know of.
by meganfernandez
dave g wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:20 pm
Back to Novak: To me, the "red flag" isn't separating from Goran, it is the fact that he withdrew from Miami. If his loss at Indian Wells was just him having a bad day, he should have wanted to play Miami. The fact that he decided to not play Miami suggests to me that he (Novak) thinks that there is a problem with his game. (Either that, or like Mats, he is no longer sufficiently motivated. But I don't believe that.)
The fact that he separated from Goran says that he does not think that Goran knows how to fix the problem. If the problem is just getting older, than there is no fix that I know of.
There could be something a little off with his game, or his body, but I trust him to get it right. He always has before. No guarantee he can but I'd be on him being just fine for awhile.
by ponchi101
dave g wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:20 pm
Back to Novak: To me, the "red flag" isn't separating from Goran, it is the fact that he withdrew from Miami. If his loss at Indian Wells was just him having a bad day, he should have wanted to play Miami. The fact that he decided to not play Miami suggests to me that he (Novak) thinks that there is a problem with his game. (Either that, or like Mats, he is no longer sufficiently motivated. But I don't believe that.)
The fact that he separated from Goran says that he does not think that Goran knows how to fix the problem. If the problem is just getting older, than there is no fix that I know of.
I said it a long time ago. By now, these three guys went out defeated by time, not by any new generation.
He will hit a wall sometime, as Roger did and Rafa refuses to acknowledge. If it is now, so be it.
by JTContinental Mirra Andreeva is working with Conchita Martinez on a trial basis
by ti-amie
JTContinental wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:13 pm
Mirra Andreeva is working with Conchita Martinez on a trial basis
Interesting. I double checked her age. She turns 17 on April 29.
by Owendonovan Why doesn't anyone like Andreeva ever use Melanie Moliter? She did OK with her daughter's style of play.
by ponchi101 Molitor probably is not interested. I remember she worked a bit with Bencic but not for long.
by ti-amie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:10 am
Molitor probably is not interested. I remember she worked a bit with Bencic but not for long.
I think working with Bencic would try anyone. Temperamental is the polite way to describe what she shows of her personality on court.
by ashkor87 Coco has added Faurel to her coaching team..she had worked with him 4 years ago..he had visa issues so couldn't join her in the US earlier, it seems.
Can I move this to Great Tennis Journalism? I think it might be written by AI. The last line, referring to the quest for the French title as "a path to gold," is off the mark, at least for an audience familiar with the phrase "go for the gold" as an Olympics reference. Maybe the UK doesn't use that phrase as often? I'd never let that ending stand as an editor - especially since the Olympics are being played at the same venue soon after. It's confusing.
And don't get me started on creating a long piece based entirely on another outlet's reporting.
by ponchi101 You can't move it (you are not the author of either quotes) but you can create a link and reference. Just click on the number of the post (#721) and the link will be copied to your clipboard and then you can paste at will.
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 12:08 pm
You can't move it (you are not the author of either quotes) but you can create a link and reference. Just click on the number of the post (#721) and the link will be copied to your clipboard and then you can paste at will.
Can I move this to Great Tennis Journalism? I think it might be written by AI. The last line, referring to the quest for the French title as "a path to gold," is off the mark, at least for an audience familiar with the phrase "go for the gold" as an Olympics reference. Maybe the UK doesn't use that phrase as often? I'd never let that ending stand as an editor - especially since the Olympics are being played at the same venue soon after. It's confusing.
And don't get me started on creating a long piece based entirely on another outlet's reporting.
I found that last line about going for the gold, odd as well. Gold really only applies to the Olympics as something to go for.
by ashkor87 True but so many journalists don't know the tennis lingo..in fact that convinces me it is not AI...only a human would make that kind of mistake
by meganfernandez
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 2:41 am
True but so many journalists don't know the tennis lingo..in fact that convinces me it is not AI...only a human would make that kind of mistake
The other tennis stuff sounded pretty solid. I think AI would definitely make that kind of mistake. I think if it got tricked by the Olympics happening at RG a little later.
by ti-amie This was inevitable. His name is of course David Witt.
by meganfernandez
ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 12:18 am
This was inevitable. His name is of course David Witt.
Well, the post was by DJSnafu, so the mistake was inevitable, too.
by meganfernandez I've heard Mouratoglou and Rune were out drinking the night before his match against Struff in Munich, which he lost 2 and 0. His mom is pissed and wants Patrick gone. But Rune likes him too much as a cool guy to hang out with. Wonder if his days are numbered.
by JTContinental Hot take: Mouratoglou is a better schmoozer than he is a coach, and has been coasting the last few years on the success of someone who would have won all those slams still without him.
by meganfernandez
JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 7:26 pm
Hot take: Mouratoglou is a better schmoozer than he is a coach, and has been coasting the last few years on the success of someone who would have won all those slams still without him.
He is a fantastic marketer. I'm not sure Serena would have kept him around for 10 years if he wasn't making a difference. Do you? Unless he was paying HER?
by JTContinental It's hard to say--both Williams sisters didn't fiddle too much with their entourage during their careers, and it's clear she obviously thought he had some value.
by ti-amie Vicky Georgatou @VGeorgatou
Maria Sakkari has started working with Sergi Bruguera.
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by ashkor87 I don't get it..if he is one of the best, why part with him? It is true that Svitolina did better last year than this year ..
Unless it was his decision, of course...
by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:47 am
I don't get it..if he is one of the best, why part with him? It is true that Svitolina did better last year than this year ..
Unless it was his decision, of course...
It is like any other relationship.
"It's not you, it's me".
by Oploskoffie
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:47 am
I don't get it..if he is one of the best, why part with him? It is true that Svitolina did better last year than this year ..
Unless it was his decision, of course...
From a different part of the internet...
"They had discussed the continuation of their collaboration several times over the past months, having to conclude, eventually, that both the energy and motivation were lacking. Sluiter noted that the situation in the Ukraine over the past couple of months had added an extra amount of tension to Svitolina's life. Yet, despite these challenges, they both look back positively on their time together.
After the split, Sluiter decided to take a step back to contemplate his next challenge in the tennis world, possibly preffering a flexible constuction as opposed to a fulltime one."
by meganfernandez Rune and Mouratoglou split again. We need a portmanteau nickname for them before they give it a go for the third time. MouRunoglou?
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by ashkor87 Just plain mourn? Or ruin?
by meganfernandez
ashkor87 wrote:Just plain mourn? Or ruin?
Haha!
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by Owendonovan
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:35 pm
Rune and Mouratoglou split again. We need a portmanteau nickname for them before they give it a go for the third time. MouRunoglou?
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I don't think I'll ever get used to what I feel is maybe too private for social media, like this. We can call them Peaches and Herb.
by ponchi101 Agree. Not everything has to go public.
by ti-amie
by ponchi101 The sad thing is that everybody and his dog could have told him that 7 years ago.
You have to let go of your dad. Not simple, but you have to.
by ti-amie Someone just posted the video of him saying this. If I'm Apostolos I'm already on the plane back to Greece.
by ti-amie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 2:54 am
The sad thing is that everybody and his dog could have told him that 7 years ago.
You have to let go of your dad. Not simple, but you have to.
I will always admire Cori Gauff for knowing it was time to let the parents go. I will also admire her parents for understanding and stepping aside. Who knows maybe Rune will mature and make his own decisions soon...
by ashkor87 Who stopped Tsitsipas from hiring a real coach? He is a grown adult, needs to take responsibility..blasting your father in public is just not good..these things should be kept private! Maybe Badosa can help him think straight ..
by Oploskoffie
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 7:32 am
Who stopped Tsitsipas from hiring a real coach? He is a grown adult, needs to take responsibility..blasting your father in public is just not good..these things should be kept private! Maybe Badosa can help him think straight ..
Agree, agree, agree. Honestly, to me, it feels like there's something really weird is going here. Like he signed some stranglehold contract concerning all things tennis and he's lucky to get to have a girlfriend of his own choosing.
by ponchi101 I would not criticize somebody for being unable to shake his/her father of his/her team. The psychological implications are not trivial. Who knows how demanding or even tyrannical his father is, and maybe Stefanos is not equipped to fire him as a coach because his father, precisely, never instilled that mentality.
And in some cultures, going against a parent is akin to treason.
by Oploskoffie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 3:35 pm
I would not criticize somebody for being unable to shake his/her father of his/her team. The psychological implications are not trivial. Who knows how demanding or even tyrannical his father is, and maybe Stefanos is not equipped to fire him as a coach because his father, precisely, never instilled that mentality.
And in some cultures, going against a parent is akin to treason.
And I agree with you as well That said, saying what he said, you don't just "put that out there" and things have since moved forward, apparently. I don't have access to Twitter/X but I'm reading he has a) split with his father as his coach because he b) wants to have him as his father and only in that role and c) apologized for things he said leading up to this.
by ashkor87 I am sooo pleased..never liked the way he treated her..patronizing...
by ashkor87 The Rybakina story may explain why she has been so up and down latey..she will find a new coach and come back strong, may take some time but ...
by ashkor87 Rybakjna's immune system finally working!
by Owendonovan Their relationship always creeped me out. There's a story that will come out I imagine. Hopefully she can get back on track.
by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2024 1:00 am
The Rybakina story may explain why she has been so up and down latey..she will find a new coach and come back strong, may take some time but ...
What should a new coach focus on? Her game is well developed, and I find it hard to believe that her Achilles heel, her movement, can be improved.
Maybe it can be something as simple as making her feel happy and have fun on court. But for that you don't need a coach, you need some friends on tour.
I don't see who can be a good fit.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2024 1:00 am
The Rybakina story may explain why she has been so up and down latey..she will find a new coach and come back strong, may take some time but ...
What should a new coach focus on? Her game is well developed, and I find it hard to believe that her Achilles heel, her movement, can be improved.
Maybe it can be something as simple as making her feel happy and have fun on court. But for that you don't need a coach, you need some friends on tour.
I don't see who can be a good fit.
I don't know either..maybe just someone who does the basic things like finding her practice partners ..as you say, nothing in her game worth tinkering with, and movement is what it is....
by ashkor87 Coco needs a more technical coach, to fix her forehand AND her serve..Gilbert seems to be more of a strategy and psychology kind of coach.
I said this earlier, now Coco seems to realise it...
by ashkor87 Haven't observed closely enough to opine on what is wrong with Coco's serve..17 double faults, I hear! Usually dfs are a mental thing, may not be technical...but I don't know. Does anyone here know what the matter is?
by ponchi101 Whatever it is, it is not one single thing. She hits them both long and into the net.
I say it is the grip. She can't control the amount of spin.
by ashkor87 But others (Nadal) have done well with this grip...why not Coco? And what is wrong with her serve?
by ponchi101 I can't say that much. What is wrong needs a better eye than mine. And remember, Nadal did change his grip several times throughout his career.
Others can handle it. Draper serves with a similar grip, so did Raonic. In a fun way, that is MY grip. But I serve with a more sideways stance, and I have to concentrate on hitting out, or my serves find the net.
by ashkor87 Craig
O'Shannessy thinks her contact point on second serve is too low...
by ashkor87 And Coco is unwilling to take something off her first serve to be safe..which most normal people would do ..
by ashkor87 This 'go for broke,' is probably coco's innate style, encouraged by Gilbert. He said in one of the TV shows online that he thinks it is better to have a high percentage of points won on serve than to have high percentage of serves in...I assume he knows whereof he speaks
by ashkor87 As of now., only QZ and Rybakina have a higher win rate than Coco on first serve, according to the wta website.
by ponchi101 Nobody is saying that her first serve has any issues. That stroke is fine.
But the problem with DF's is that they cascade inside your head. You hit one and you feel you gave the point away (which is odd, because that does not feel the same for an UE on, for example, a groundstroke). Then, you lose confidence on your serve, putting more pressure on your first serve. In the meantime, you opponent is gaining confidence: "Hey, she missed her first serve, I have a VERY good chance to win the second serve without even hitting the ball". So, they tee off on that second serve and if they make as few as one return for a winner, you (the server) feel more pressure on your second serve because you can't get it in consistently and, when you do, it gets creamed.
And one small part of your game that was not working brings down the entire edifice.
She needs to go out there and play a full match just hitting second serves, even for her first. Then she can start working up the mechanics again.
by JTContinental
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 2:26 am
And Coco is unwilling to take something off her first serve to be safe..which most normal people would do ..
It is her contact point; the ball is dipping already when she hits it. She actually did try taking something off the serve in the 17 DF match--when she was going full speed, it would go long, and if she took something off, it would go into the net.
Brad Gilbert is good at getting immediate results, but I think he gets very annoying and people stop listening to him when subjected to his personality day in and day out. Coco got what she needed from him and should likely move on.
by ponchi101 His "advice" yesterday, what was caught in the mic, was ridiculous.
"C'mon, Coco, you are a champion!".
I think she knows that.
by ashkor87 Gilbert is a motor mouth isn't he! Even Agassi found him annoying ..he seems to be more of a strategy coach than a technical coach...she needs one of those, not a morale booster...
by skatingfan Mid-match most players can't make technical adjustments - she was within a set of winning the match.
by ponchi101
skatingfan wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 3:20 am
Mid-match most players can't make technical adjustments - she was within a set of winning the match.
Indeed. That is the case.
But an adjustment like "take off a bit from the first serve, so you can get them all in for the next two games" is not an unreasonable adjustment, and something that can be said.
Or:
"Just extend the rallies. Keep it in for one game, without going for a winner".
As long as the other team does not hear you, that can also be done.
by ti-amie
by ti-amieScoop: In a shock move, Osaka trades Fissette for Mouratoglou
2024September13Scoop: In a shock move, Osaka trades Fissette for Mouratoglou
Stephanie Myles
Open Court learned just before the start of the US Open that Naomi Osaka was negotiating to make a change in her coaching setup.
Denials all around.
But in the last few weeks, we were told that discussions had intensified and now we can confirm that Osaka, who had been working with renowned coach Wim Fissette since her return to training last summer and her return to the match court in January, has ended things with him.
But the blockbuster news is the identity of the new coach.
It is … Patrick Mouratoglou, former coach of Serena Williams and, most recently, of Holger Rune.
We reached out to all parties involved on this issue over the last few weeks. But the only reply came from Mouratoglou, who said before the US Open that he had indeed discussed becoming Osaka’s coach last summer, when she was auditioning coaches to began training for her comeback. (We’re told that Brad Gilbert was another, before he began working with Coco Gauff).
But since the Frenchman was working with Rune at the time, the discussions ended there. And so, he struck down the rumour.
So we held onto the news until we could at least confirm or deny it credibly.
At the UCLA tennis courts in the Los Angeles suburbs today, Osaka, Mouratoglou and the rest of her squad were spotted by our boots on the ground, at practice.
by ti-amie What do you guys think? Who will Fissette end up coaching? I saw this on another site and was surprised that the list was this long.
Just me but I think he'll avoid both Raducanu and Rybakina. He might go with Navarro.
Rybakina
Raducanu
Andreescu
Anisimova
Navarro
Gauff
Sakkari
Kenin
Parks
Errani
Wang
Wang
Wang
Other
by ponchi101
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2024 1:32 am
What do you guys think? Who will Fissette end up coaching? I saw this on another site and was surprised that the list was this long.
Just me but I think he'll avoid both Raducanu and Rybakina. He might go with Navarro.
Rybakina
Raducanu
Andreescu
Anisimova
Navarro
Gauff
Sakkari
Kenin
Parks
Errani Wang
Wang
Wang
Other
That part cracked me up.
I don't know why Navarro would want him. She is doing fine.
And... I would like to see Moratoglous' passport. Because I really want to know when he went to India, and how long he spent there, learning how to charm snakes.
Does anybody even checks his resume before hiring him? Sure, he coaches Serena. And Rune. And Halep. And Coco.
Total number of slams under his tutelage: zero.
I can coach better than the guy. And I mean it.
by skatingfan
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2024 4:40 am
That part cracked me up.
I don't know why Navarro would want him. She is doing fine.
And... I would like to see Moratoglous' passport. Because I really want to know when he went to India, and how long he spent there, learning how to charm snakes.
Does anybody even checks his resume before hiring him? Sure, he coaches Serena. And Rune. And Halep. And Coco.
Total number of slams under his tutelage: zero.
I can coach better than the guy. And I mean it.
I think you've forgotten how long Mouratoglou was with Serena. She won her last 10 majors with him as coach.
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2024 4:40 am
That part cracked me up.
I don't know why Navarro would want him. She is doing fine.
And... I would like to see Moratoglous' passport. Because I really want to know when he went to India, and how long he spent there, learning how to charm snakes.
Does anybody even checks his resume before hiring him? Sure, he coaches Serena. And Rune. And Halep. And Coco.
Total number of slams under his tutelage: zero.
I can coach better than the guy. And I mean it.
I think you've forgotten how long Mouratoglou was with Serena. She won her last 10 majors with him as coach.
I'll take your word for it, but my recollection is that he arrived as head coach for her after her return.
But, if you say so, I accept that.
But that means she was already a 13 time Slam champion. Not that Mouratoglou made that much of an improvement.
by skatingfan
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2024 3:18 pm
I'll take your word for it, but my recollection is that he arrived as head coach for her after her return.
But, if you say so, I accept that.
But that means she was already a 13 time Slam champion. Not that Mouratoglou made that much of an improvement.
Serena started working with, and dating Mouratoglou in 2012 after losing in the 1st round of the French Open. He is the only coach she had outside of her parents. I don't know how significant he was to her success later in her career, but Serena feels he was very important based on interviews that she has done including the recent ESPN series.
by ashkor87 PM may be exactly the kind of coach Osaka needs. She is a champion, like Serena, she needs someone who can build a champion..or restore one, as he did with Serena. Unlike Coco, she has no technical flaws to be fixed...
by JTContinental As expected, Coco has ditched Brad Gilbert
by jazzyg On the Mourataglou-Serena topic, she absolutely played the best tennis of her career with him as coach, and it was not even close. I'm not saying it had everything or even that much to do with him, but she started focusing all the time instead of sporadically and played incredibly smart tennis. It may have been that she realized as great as her career had been, she was capable of more, and she delivered. Her performance at the Olympics in 2016 (at Wimbledon) was easily the best tournament I've ever seen a female player have.
by skatingfan
jazzyg wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:41 pm
On the Mourataglou-Serena topic, she absolutely played the best tennis of her career with him as coach, and it was not even close. I'm not saying it had everything or even that much to do with him, but she started focusing all the time instead of sporadically and played incredibly smart tennis. It may have been that she realized as great as her career had been, she was capable of more, and she delivered. Her performance at the Olympics in 2016 (at Wimbledon) was easily the best tournament I've ever seen a female player have.
Agreed - 2012 Olympics, but your point stands.
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by ponchi101 Can she afford him? He must carry a high tag.
by JTContinental She will definitely benefit from a decent coach who can teach her shot selection
by ashkor87 Coco needs a technical coach, Parks needs Someone like Gilbert. Both good moves!
by ashkor87
JTContinental wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:59 pm
She will definitely benefit from a decent coach who can teach her shot selection
Exactly ..Gilbert can, I think, do that
by ashkor87 Coco has hired Matt Daly as coach ..anyone know anything about him? He seems to be a college coach, which may be just right for Coco ..basic technique...
by ponchi101 Completely unknown to me.
Maybe somebody a bit more low key than Gilbert is the right choice. Heck, anybody that can teach a serve.
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:45 pm
Can she afford him? He must carry a high tag.
Osaka? I mean, she did only make $15M last year due to mat leave, quite a drop from the $50M in 2022... I think she'll survive paying Mouratoglou
I think he meant Parks
Oh oops
by ashkor87 Now Swiatek has split with her coach! Amicably, it seems
by ponchi101 When somebody at the top parts with the coach, it strikes me as odd.
As in, there is something else they are not telling.
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2024 12:48 pm
When somebody at the top parts with the coach, it strikes me as odd.
As in, there is something else they are not telling.
Maybe she has been rattled by her losses from Wimbledon onwards...this must be the 'personal matter' that caused her to pull out of Beijing ...
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Polish media aren't reliable when it comes to tennis (and sports in general tbh)...
by Owendonovan
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:30 pm
Is it me or does David look actually thinner than when he was on tour? Looks pretty fit
His nickname was "Fat Dave".
by Owendonovan
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2024 12:48 pm
When somebody at the top parts with the coach, it strikes me as odd.
As in, there is something else they are not telling.
There may be a charlatan involved.....
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When Mouratoglou was doing his soliloquy on talent alone vs talent/training/good coaching the first person to come to mind was Rune. It's obvious he's talented but like Shapovalov and Ben Shelton if he doesn't see the light about coaching, he will never reach his potential. Is he uncoachable? It's too soon to say that. I think he needs to take a strong stance and take his mother out of the equation when it comes to his career and stick with it. For better or worse Cori Gauff did it and it's worked for her.
by ponchi101 I don't know if Holger has the precision needed in tennis. He can hit a great shot and then another one that sails out by quite a bit.
But he should be top 10. So, a coach needs to help him with margins of error.
by atlpam Iga has hired Wim Fisette as her new coach.
by skatingfan
atlpam wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:01 pm
Iga has hired Wim Fisette as her new coach.
I feel like that headline could have been written weeks ago.
by JTContinental Zero surprises there
by Owendonovan Is this the 3rd player he's coached this year?
by ti-amie
Owendonovan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:09 pm
Is this the 3rd player he's coached this year?
Fisette has worked with Naomi Osaka, Simona Halep, Victoria Azarenka, Kim Clijsters, Petra Kvitova, and Angie Kerber.
by ponchi101 That's 17 slams. How many under his watch?
by Owendonovan I thought I remembered there was some drama surrounding him. These coaches have all the ingredients for a reality show.
In the summer of 2023, Tennis World reported that he was the coach of Qinwen Zheng.[12] In September 2023, according to Zheng, Fissette "broke the[ir] contract" and rejoined Osaka's team.[13]
On 14 September 2024, Naomi Osaka announced that she had parted ways with Fissette.[14] On 17 October 17 2024, Iga Świątek announced that Fissette would be her new coach.
by skatingfan Fissette is a serial monogamous coach.
by ashkor87 Rybakina has hired Goran Ivanisevic as coach...wonder if he can help her construct points better..he never did!
by Oploskoffie
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 3:09 pm
Rybakina has hired Goran Ivanisevic as coach...wonder if he can help her construct points better..he never did!
I remember Cilic saying that Goran helped him have fun on the court again and focus on the right things. Djokovic has expressed somewhat similar sentiments, if I'm not mistaken. If only for a short(er) while, I'm inclined to think that that could benefit Elena at this point in time. I'm not saying she's as complete as she possibly could be, but isn't coaching a lot about the mental, social side of things as well?
by ashkor87 Well, hope so. For sure, she doesn't need anyone to teach her to serve bombs!
by Oploskoffie A change of coach also coming up for Tallon Griekspoor after Kristof Vliegen quit himself. That wasn't down to conflict (or the blonde hair), though... A somewhat emotional Vliegen stated that during this second spell as his coach, they'd effectively grown too close over the total of ten years together and he believes Griekspoor needs a new impulse.
I'm inclined to believe Vliegen that this really is the case and that he's absolutely right about the need for change. Griekspoor has lost to top ranked players too often and too many times from a potentially winning position.
