by ponchi101 So, after 25 years, the Bills return to the top of their division. Behind a ridiculous game by Josh Allen, they secured 1st place in the AFC East.
If Miami takes care of the Pats today, they basically eliminate them.
The A/East now has two really good QB's; Allen is proven already, Tua still needs one outstanding performance to be included in the "new crop" of QB's that will be the difference for the next few years. Of course, the cautionary tale of Cartzon West will be with every QB for a long time, but maybe the Bills and Dolphins will be fun to watch for the next decade.
by Togtdyalttai The Packers were horrible yesterday, but they may still get the top seed in the NFC. I'll surely be rooting for KC and Washington today to beat the Saints and the Seahawks because the Titans are going to run all over the Packers next week.
by ponchi101 I like the Packers, but I really like the Saints. I think KC gets the game, but if NO wins, no big surprise.
The one thing about home field advantage: a few days ago I read an article in which the person says that the sole home field advantage that remains (because of Covid) is Lambeau. Not fun to play there in January.
And the Titans are not going to run all over the Pac next week. Might be a fun game, but the Titans will be forced to throw the ball, just to keep up with Rogers (he is not going to have two lousy games in a row).
by ponchi101 And of course, the Rams hand the Jets their first win.
Because McVay and Pete Carroll MUST establish the run. Goff has Cupp and Woods but no, you have to run the ball.
And Russel Wilson went for 141 yards and 1 TD. Brilliant (although they did win).
by ti-amie So this Nawlins vs KC game.
by JazzNU NFL gifting the Saints a Sunday start meaning they'll get Kamara back for the game. I'm sure Saints fans will still figure out something to whine about.
by ponchi101 They can't leave Kamara out. Too much star power.
But yes, it is a gift (says this N.O. fan)
by ponchi101 And the Jets fire Gase. Only 15 games too late (he was already pretty bad last year).
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Togtdyalttai ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:11 am
And the Jets fire Gase. Only 15 games too late (he was already pretty bad last year).
You're saying they should have fired him after the first game this year?
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JazzNU NFL Playoffs
by Fastbackss Going to be some fun conversations on sports radio in the NE corridor after Pederson played players as he announced before the game -but- sure seems like it was intentional tanking which had the byproduct of keeping the Giants out of the playoffs
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ponchi101 Togtdyalttai wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:43 am
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You're saying they should have fired him after the first game this year?
You know I am never prone to exaggeration
I never understood his hiring. He was no good in Miami, and if you look at some players that have blossomed AFTER leaving his tenure, you have to wonder how come he has been given so many opportunities. The most glaring example is Ryan Tanehill, who has not become sterling at Tennessee, but is a reliable QB that can get the job done, and has been winning a lot (sure, he has Henry for RB). Others are K. Drake and Robbie Anderson.
So, if serious, no, of course you can't fire a coach after the first game. But everybody knew this team was going nowhere, and perhaps the Jets should have done it together with the Lions firing of Patricia. Test somebody for the last games to see what can be done with the team.
by JazzNU ^^^ There's a DB coach, a TE coach, a WR and an OL among the other positives besides Stefanski.
Heading into their first playoff game in almost 20 years. The Browns being the Browns. Can't make this ish up!
by ponchi101 They already played one game with no WR's. Should be no issue playing with no coaches. Like the last time they won anything: let the Q B call his own plays.
I actually feel sorry for them.
by JazzNU Somehow, this is not considered an outbreak. Keep in mind this is just players, there's several coaches on the list too. These aren't all positives, but this is all close contacts requiring extended quarantines and positives, so still quite a few people involved. Wrong week I guess and NFL won't list this as a outbreak unless someone dies, and maybe not even then.
by ti-amie So basically their practice squad will be taking the field? What a mess.
by ponchi101 Time to change that Wildcard weekend prediction. I had the Steelers but at 20 points. No way they are not favorites now by 20+ points.
As you say, Jazz, the NFL will not call this an outbreak until somebody dies in the locker room.
by JazzNU FYI, it is the Saints vs. Bears game on Sunday that will be simulcast on Nickelodeon. So in particular, if you've got kids or you're a kid of the 80s or 90s looking to be nostalgic about slime and cartoons, make sure to watch that feed.
Not super clear on what the focus of the Freeform simulcast will be, just that it will be targeting a younger audience, but more tween/teen than young kids in line with the channel's demo. That is going to be the early game tomorrow, Ravens vs. Titans. Also, in addition to Freeform, ABC will have it too, so using the entire Disney platform basically.
by ponchi101 Indy just went super greedy. You are up by three, the game is young, and you go for the TD over the FG.
Maybe too much.
by ponchi101 And now Seattle just lost to a QB with a broken thumb, because Russell has gone for 20 attempts of which he has made 8.
He has got to be injured. Is this the same guy that was throwing for a minimum of 4 TD's in the first 5 games of the season?
by JazzNU If I may continue to complain...
Had I known ahead of time that Alex Smith wouldn't play, and Jared Goff would, not only would I have switched my game picks, I would have had at least 2 different, but possibly 3, players than I submitted for my first week team in the Decimation Playoffs. In serious trouble and not even finished with the first day of the first weekend of the payoffs. A winning start for sure.
by JazzNU Separately, @ponchi, I have no idea if the sites will work for you in SA, but I can give you a link that has great NFL streams here since you don't seem to be getting much in the way of coverage down there. Let me know if you want it.
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ponchi101 JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:05 am
Separately, @ponchi, I have no idea if the sites will work for you in SA, but I can give you a link that has great NFL streams here since you don't seem to be getting much in the way of coverage down there. Let me know if you want it.
Just name your price!!!!
Sure, I could use those. Txs
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:16 am
Just name your price!!!!
Sure, I could use those. Txs
So I'll write it out so it doesn't become a link. Go to NFLbitedotcom and click on the game you want to watch and it'll take you to a list of options. It is the site that originated from a group on Reddit, the feeds are excellent quality, a problem every once in a while, but there is always another several working well. When they give me like a Jets vs. Bengals game, I stream the game I want to see instead,.
by ponchi101 Txs, JazzNu. It worked. I was able to see the end of the game.
by ponchi101 Will this be evidence A that coaches are overrated? 21 points for a team with no head coach and that barely practiced all week?
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:44 am
Will this be evidence A that coaches are overrated? 21 points for a team with no head coach and that barely practiced all week?
Doubtful. They probably got more coaching this week than they ever have to go over every scenario with Kevin that they could.
21 points? That'll be 28 points in under a minute.
by JazzNU @ponchi, what happened with watching games yesterday? Were you able to use the site or watch all 3 games some other way or were you stuck with what they gave you down there?
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ponchi101 I watched the first game with the local broadcast, but the second was nowhere so I used you link.
Super useful, as otherwise there would have been no way
So, very thankful to you. ESPN has already said they will show no games from the NFC, so I will lose those unless I use your links. Txs
by ponchi101 The Eagles fired Pederson!
Ok, they were terrible this year, but the guy won you a SB three years ago.
I wonder who will want that job, with that messy QB situation.
by JazzNU Nobody wants the Eagles job. Likely the worst among the openings, the QB situation is just one of many, many problems that will make it undesirable.
Gus Bradley hired as Las Vegas DC. The Raiders posted a photo of Ken Whisenhunt in the announcement.
Dan Quinn hired as the new Cowboys DC.
Brian Schottenheimer fired as Seattle OC.
Chuck Pagano is retiring, so the Bears will be searching for a new DC.
And not coaching news, but the Texans have themselves a problem with a capital P. They hired this GM. They apparently skipped a few steps and Deshaun isn't on board with the hire. We knew that a couple of weeks ago. But today, coming out of the Witness Protection Program, Andre Johnson posted to Twitter to back Deshaun being unhappy, to say that he's in the right. Texans have been mismanaging the team for awhile and it dates back to Jack Easterby, an executive with the team who has too much influence it seems. The new GM hire appears to be an extension of this guy's continued influence. So, most are thinking, wow Andre really speaking out here, and thanks for the insight and it is very, very rare for him to speak out like this, he was a consummate professional. Is this him just trying to support Deshaun? Nope. In the replies are a good number of former Texans co-signing completely on what Andre is saying. This was likely well known in Houston, but not nationally, it's turning into a story. With Deshaun potentially about to force a trade if things remain as they are, definitely a team to watch for news.
by ponchi101 Totally. Deshaun's talent is being wasted big time in Houston. And if they lose him, the simply become the Jets-South.
It is almost impossible to believe that a QB that won the yardage title plays for a 4-12 team. And they need to get a replacement for Hopkins; that has got to be one of the worst trades in NFL history.
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Togtdyalttai ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:56 pm
Totally. Deshaun's talent is being wasted big time in Houston. And if they lose him, the simply become the Jets-South.
It is almost impossible to believe that a QB that won the yardage title plays for a 4-12 team. And they need to get a replacement for Hopkins; that has got to be one of the worst trades in NFL history.
Jameis Winston led the league in that stat last year for the 7-9 Buccaneers, and I don't think (but haven't checked) that it's all that uncommon for the passing yards leader to be on a bad team. I think passing TDs is a better indicator of how good your team is. Having a lot of passing yards is more an indicator that your offense isn't balanced or your defense stinks.
by Fastbackss Random fun statistic I saw and can't recall where so I apologize for lack of attribution.
Baker Mayfield is the oldest QB remaining in the AFC but would be the youngest in the NFC.
by ponchi101 As far as a gauge for QB's, I go for TDs/INT ratio. Winston was a throwing machine (still is) but we know any throw could end in anybody's hands.
But I did not know those stats.
I still say Deshaun is one of the top 5 QB's on the league. But you point about an unbalanced team is spot on for Houston. They are not bad in offense, but their defense is non-existent.
by JazzNU Report of accelerated talks this morning and here we are
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Urban Meyer named new HC of the Jaguars.
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ptmcmahon Being a bad team means usually playing from behind and having to pass more too.
Fastbackss wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:47 pm
Random fun statistic I saw and can't recall where so I apologize for lack of attribution.
Baker Mayfield is the oldest QB remaining in the AFC but would be the youngest in the NFC.
It's funny how it worked out with all young QBs in the AFC (including three picked in the same first round) and then almost a complete old guard in the NFC.
by JazzNU I'll miss him greatly, but very happy he's getting his shot as a head coach.
by patrick Now its time for someone to hire Eric Bienimy.
by Fastbackss Living where Saleh grew up - I am bummed he didn't get chosen by the Lions...but happy for him and the Jets.
And 100% on bienimy
by JazzNU Falcons hired the Titans OC. Daboll is now the lead candidate for the Chargers' position. Texans reportedly didn't request an interview with him though Deshaun has been very public about wanting him to at least be seriously considered.
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by JazzNU Oh well. Rams defense looking seriously undercooked today. #1 defense vs. #1 offense has been won by the defensive team 3 out of 4 times in the last like 20 years or so. This wasn't even close. Probably not paying Aaron Donald enough if this is what the Rams look like when he's playing injured.
by ponchi101 Indeed. For next year, Cam Akers may be a good third RB to pick in FF. But without Donals and Kupp they really looked unable to get anything going.
by JazzNU The wind in Buffalo is no joke tonight. They were so busy giving us potential snow reports this week, they forgot other things could disrupt game play just as much.
by patrick Yep. 4 FGs missed in the Bills win with 2 of them from the reliable Tucker from Ravens.
by ponchi101 So the Rams defense got creamed by the Packers, and then the suspect Bills defense almost shuts down the Ravens and holds Lamar in his running game, and takes him out of the game with a concussion (not the defense's fault).
I say that the Bills Vs KC will be a very good game, with the Bills having a chance. Of course, if the Browns don't screw up the deal.
by JazzNU I feel like people have complete blinders on where Mahomes is concerned and translate that to the Chiefs. They might blow through the playoffs and win it all again, but the team we saw, if anyone was watching the games objectively this season, is very beatable. Which is why, despite the record, they had quite a few close calls against teams considered, good, bad and in between. I give every team they'll face in the playoffs a solid shot at winning. They might embarrass someone for sure, but not necessarily.
by ponchi101 And... They have not played a competitive match in almost three weeks. I have never liked that approach. Sure, do not have Mahones play the 4 quarters of the last, meaningless game of the season, but get him out there, in a real situation, and give him 20 reps. The same for the rest of the skill positions.
I find it so much like tennis. It is a precision game, and not throwing a ball in a real circumstance may hinder you ability.
by ptmcmahon Probably even a rb2.
Glad the Rams finally did what they were supposed to. Dunno who I’m rooting for today. Saints are better team but Tampa handled Green Bay when they played earlier in the year. If it’s cold next week probably best to hope for Brees who isn’t as used to that as Brady.
by JazzNU I'm not high on the Saints like others are.
I'm also not high on Drew Brees like others are. That being said. I'd probably have a hit out on Sean Payton at this point if I were him. Every single time I see damn Taysom Hill out there for no reason whatsoever, I think how insulting it is to Drew, especially in what many keep saying might be his final year. I don't need to see Taysom throw an interception. If it's a throwing play and not a trick play, why exactly is Drew on the sidelines?
Drew outdoors tends to be suspect. So yeah, heading to Green Bay anytime is a problem, but in January is a potential catastrophe that the Saints would need to mask, like they did a few weeks ago when they got everyone to ignore his super shaky performance and focus only on Kamara's 6 touchdowns.
My true hope for today - we get to watch the Saints play the Buccaneers and not watch a glorified Brady vs. Brees documentary
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ti-amie JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:04 pm
I'm not high on the Saints like others are.
I'm also not high on Drew Brees like others are. That being said. I'd probably have a hit out on Sean Payton at this point if I were him. Every single time I see damn Taysom Hill out there for no reason whatsoever, I think how insulting it is to Drew, especially in what many keep saying might be his final year. I don't need to see Taysom throw an interception. If it's a throwing play and not a trick play, why exactly is Drew on the sidelines?
Drew outdoors tends to be suspect. So yeah, heading to Green Bay anytime is a problem, but in January is a potential catastrophe that the Saints would need to mask, like they did a few weeks ago when they got everyone to ignore his super shaky performance and focus only on Kamara's 6 touchdowns.
My true hope for today - we get to watch the Saints play the Buccaneers and not watch a glorified Brady vs. Brees documentary
you know darn well that is how the comms are going to talk about it. I agree though. Without solid teams around them neither man would be playing today.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:14 pm
you know darn well that is how the comms are going to talk about it. I agree though. Without solid teams around them neither man would be playing today.
No, I know. But a girl can dream for another few hours. It would be so great for this to be just about it being a good matchup, a great playoff game. I truly would like to skip the constant HOF vs. HOF discussion that will surely take place, that has been the focus of the game all week.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:19 pm
And... They have not played a competitive match in almost three weeks. I have never liked that approach. Sure, do not have Mahones play the 4 quarters of the last, meaningless game of the season, but get him out there, in a real situation, and give him 20 reps. The same for the rest of the skill positions.
I find it so much like tennis. It is a precision game, and not throwing a ball in a real circumstance may hinder you ability.
Delicate balance. Rest and getting in rhythm. I remember plenty of teams that have come out looking FLAT after resting players week 17 and having the bye. I also remember teams that have weathered the storm and were happy for the rest. Guess we'll see tonight if that is a good call. FYI, I've seen Andy botch the too much rest and coming out flat.
If this was Brady or Brees, I'd say great, with that much rest for those old bodies, they might come out looking 25 again. But Patrick is a baby, he doesn't need rest like that.
by ponchi101 So much for KC coming out flat.
by JazzNU I wouldn't call this performance anything to brag about just yet. I think the score was 6-3 going in to the second quarter. So, maybe not flat, but nothing great. But they are doing enough to win and that's really all that matters, there's no style points awarded here.
Rough call for the Browns there.
by Fastbackss That's a worst case scenario for KC and potentially for the league.
After seeing him wobble like that I am glad Mahomes was not allowed back in the game.
As an aside - looks like taysom hill ruled out for Saints tonight
by ponchi101 You see the replay several times and it is not clear when he got hit. I think it was the neck twisting.
I said it before. In this weird year, will the Browns win the SB?
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JazzNU I was afraid they were going to let them back in. Tony Romo out here trying to downplay it while Jim Nance is like, "if that's not a concussion, I don't know what is." Exactly right Jim.
If they go according to protocols, it'll be close to a miracle if he plays next week. The look of him on the field, doesn't lead one to think "mild concussion." If the Chiefs win and he can't play, I won't be even a little bit surprised if the NFL co-signs on a sudden covid outbreak at the Chiefs facility and suddenly being okay with a playoff game delay.
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ponchi101 Naaaaah, they wouldn't...
by JazzNU If they had called the play in the first half correctly, seems pretty darn likely that would've been a Browns win. I'm sure they'll be talking about it on Sports Radio most of the week. It was an egregious no call.
Hopefully the result is a change in the rules. Even if they don't make that kind of review possible for just the penalty, what they should do at the very least is to replay the down and not reward the team that you can see committing a penalty on the replay to get a benefit like that. Not a knee jerk change in the rules, this has happened several times significantly in the last few weeks and it's terrible every time how they reward the team committing a clear foul but can't do anything about it under the rules.
by ponchi101 Agree. I don't understand why you can review penalties. They can affect the game as much as anything else.
by ti-amie Mahomes had no idea where he was or what his name is. Nance was 100% correct and Romo didn't say anything after that comment. I can't see him playing next week.
by ponchi101 3 turnovers. Four. 21 points.
Sure. That works.
by JazzNU The campaign to pretend that Patrick Mahomes concussion is no biggie and he'll be good to go next week has already begun. It began on FOX the moment the game was over with whatever nonsense Jay Glazer was saying to explain how it wasn't really a concussion that made him dizzy.
by ponchi101 You have to admit that Bills/Chiefs without Mahones is a completely different game. Whatever spread the Chiefs will get will be reverted if Mahones does not play. Which will mean, fewer people watching.
by JazzNU NFL is completely full of ish (which we know they are) if ratings are the point and player safety isn't. You can't have a decade of "player safety is the most important thing" campaign and then skirt the rules because, oh well, we didn't really mean that when it came to our star quarterbacks in the playoffs. It doesn't matter how many less people will watch if Patrick doesn't play, it matters if he should play and the way they are talking right now, they aren't seriously going to evaluate him on much else besides wanting the Chiefs to win and advance.
Patrick is not taking this seriously, which means the Chiefs aren't taking it seriously because they just intend to clear him. That man is using his phone right after his concussion. WTH?!? This might seem cute and all right now, but not so much in 20 years when he's struggling with speech and can't help his kids with elementary level schoolwork. That tough it out BS isn't working out so great for Brett Favre these days.
by ti-amie How quickly they've swept Junior Seau and even Aaron Hernandez under the rug.
by ponchi101 In case I was misconstrued: I agree with you both. The NFL cares more about ratings than anything else.
So, they will clear him. Consequences 10 years from now be damned.
by JazzNU Eagles are hiring no-name white coach that hasn't been calling offensive plays, so there go another excuse off the board for not hiring Eric Bieniemy. I'm sure they'll drum up another new excuse by morning, and as is the case with almost every excuse, there's probably been a coach hired in recent years to show that excuse is just BS cover.
Same ish, different day.
by ponchi101 Specially in view that one major issue for the Eagles next year will be either developing Hurts or whomever is the new QB.
Not only the obvious connotations. It is a dumb move, football wise.
by Togtdyalttai I really hope the Texans hire Bienemy. He's been wrongfully passed over so many times.
by JazzNU Texans were the only team that didn't request an interview with Bieniemy. Deshaun spoke up about this ridiculousness publicly after he'd already made it known that he respected him and wanted him seriously considered for the job. And then the rest of the Texans stuff came out. And then the Texans requested the interview. This is seeming very much like them trying to save face because their players, not just Deshaun, and their fans, were outraged when it became known they hadn't even requested an interview. Texans players have been strongly advocating for him as the next coach.
If' I'm Eric, I think twice about taking this position in the current situation if it's offered. A front office that never wanted you suddenly hiring you to basically try to save your franchise QB from forcing a trade is a dicey situation. I'd absolutely talk to Deshaun first to see if he's open to staying if he comes on board.
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Togtdyalttai JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:08 am
Texans were the only team that didn't request an interview with Bieniemy. Deshaun spoke up about this ridiculousness publicly after he'd already made it known that he respected him and wanted him seriously considered for the job. And then the rest of the Texans stuff came out. And then the Texans requested the interview. This is seeming very much like them trying to save face because their players, not just Deshaun, and their fans, were outraged when it became known they hadn't even requested an interview. Texans players have been strongly advocating for him as the next coach.
If' I'm Eric, I think twice about taking this position in the current situation if it's offered. A front office that never wanted you suddenly hiring you to basically try to save your franchise QB from forcing a trade is a dicey situation. I'd absolutely talk to Deshaun first to see if he's open to staying if he comes on board.
I know the situation isn't great, but Watson is one of the top 5 quarterbacks in the league. If you can somehow get him to buy in and somehow put some pieces around him, you've got a team. Big ifs, but still, a quarterback is what you want to build around. Of the coaching positions which were open this year, Houston's the only one which has a solid franchise quarterback.
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ptmcmahon Or at least "had" one and may not soon.
by ponchi101 The Texans hiring Bieniemy does a lot. It helps them negotiate with Deshaun. It makes them attractive to any incoming offensive draft picks. Simply, it is a good choice.
You have to wonder why the obvious decision is so difficult (I know why, but sometimes it is still hard to swallow).
by ptmcmahon One thing I've noticed is people like feeling smart when watching shows/movies - I love it when they are able to make a twist seem like you are figuring it out a little before you should be, or at least before it becomes obvious.
I wonder if sports is similar in a way - it makes us feel smart because so many times we are watching games or hirings and we are screaming because they aren't making the obvious choice/decision.
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JazzNU Togtdyalttai wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:20 am
I know the situation isn't great, but Watson is one of the top 5 quarterbacks in the league. If you can somehow get him to buy in and somehow put some pieces around him, you've got a team. Big ifs, but still, a quarterback is what you want to build around. Of the coaching positions which were open this year, Houston's the only one which has a solid franchise quarterback.
I think Eric would take it if Deshaun stays. Deshaun staying is not a done deal if you didn't know. The most reliable NFL reporters are hearing that he's played his last snap as a Texan.
He has a no trade clause in his contract. If he wants to go, he's going. He's completely in control of the situation which is why the Texans are already looking at trade deals. But Deshaun has to sign off on any team they send him to.
by JazzNU The new Detroit Lions coach ladies and gentleman
And a little bit of a longer clip:
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ti-amie JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:35 pm
The new Detroit Lions coach ladies and gentleman
Uh who is this guy?
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:37 pm
Uh who is this guy?
Exactly. Dan Campbell, the Tight Ends Coach for the New Orleans Saints as of a week ago, now the head coach of the Detroit Lions.
I added a longer clip to the original post too.
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ptmcmahon So hit them three times and they will stay down...if you don't mind your kneecaps being bitten. Got it. Calling a 3-13 season next year now
by Fastbackss As the resident who lives closest to the home of the Lions - it is truly embarrassing that we neither got Saleh (the hometown boy who professed his wont to coach the Lions) nor Bienemy but a "hungry" coach who has sincere lack of "reps" in appropriate position.
Let's just trade Stafford to Indy and get this over with.
by JazzNU Saleh interviewed with the Lions first. So they had their shot at getting him before the Jets.
A lot of Stafford to the Colts talk. Not sure I see it happening because the Lions don't have a high enough draft pick (it seems right now at least) to get one of the more sought after QBs this year. So will they really trade their franchise QB without that? It's not like the Colts have a high draft pick to trade them. We'll see. There's several that are saying Matthew wants out. And with the recent reports, I've wondered if that's why he put that house on the market last year.
by ti-amie To absolutely no one's surprise Mahomes has cleared the concussion protocol.
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ponchi101 This guy sound... erudite
This is a joke and an insult. I said it at the beginning of this season: every player, on the first day of next season, must take a knee. Otherwise the little sign in the back of your helmet, the one that can't be read without a x100 telescope, is a joke.
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ponchi101 ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:19 pm
To absolutely no one's surprise Mahomes has cleared the concussion protocol.
I still say that game is 50/50. He may have cleared the protocol. It does not mean he is 100%.
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ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:22 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:19 pm
To absolutely no one's surprise Mahomes has cleared the concussion protocol.
I still say that game is 50/50. He may have cleared the protocol. It does not mean he is 100%.
Oh I agree. There is no way he will be 100%.
by JazzNU So, it doesn't appear the Houston Texans account was hacked and Adam Schefter retweeted it, so I assume this isn't a joke. But they've announced that they are continuing discussions of their vacant head coaching position with Jim Caldwell and...Josh McCown. TF?
by Togtdyalttai Jim Caldwell makes sense. The Lions never should have fired him. As for Josh McCown, I'm with you.
by JazzNU It is truly insulting that he even gets an interview for the same position Jim Caldwell is up for. Forget Eric, there are so many position coaches and coordinators working hard to get a shot and they are working the supposed promotion track available and a guy who was on a roster this year who has never coached in any way in college or the NFL is getting an interview for a head coaching position? So much more than just insulting and wrong.
And there's a few reporters who are like, it's not that crazy, the plan is to surround him with a former head coach and former coordinators. So they want to surround him with people who should be getting the head coaching job, but want to give it to junior here so he can take all the credit if it goes well, and likely deflect blame when it goes bad? Give me a break with this ish. You'd think he was the owner's son with this BS.
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JazzNU People keep talking about Stafford to the Colts. But I'm not sure why that's the team being talked about so much other than Phillip Rivers retiring. Maybe he'd mentioned Indy as a landing spot? I'd think the Washington, the Bears, the Panthers, the Dolphins, and the Niners would all start trade talks with the Lions. There's a lot of teams that are in need of a re-up in the QB position, some more desperate than others, and some closer to winning than others, and you'd think that'd be Matthew's main goal. And I'd be on the lookout for the inevitable too.
by ponchi101 Stafford to the Pats makes sense.
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shtexas JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:35 am
People keep talking about Stafford to the Colts. But I'm not sure why that's the team being talked about so much other than Phillip Rivers retiring. Maybe he'd mentioned Indy as a landing spot? I'd think the Washington, the Bears, the Panthers, the Dolphins, and the Niners would all start trade talks with the Lions. There's a lot of teams that are in need of a re-up in the QB position, some more desperate than others, and some closer to winning than others, and you'd think that'd be Matthew's main goal. And I'd be on the lookout for the inevitable too.
I think it's because Indy is a dome team.
by ti-amie That was a half of football y'all.
by ponchi101 Even if they lose: so much for Brady needing Bielichik. More of the other way around.
by ti-amie In case you missed it...
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JazzNU shtexas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:31 pm
I think it's because Indy is a dome team.
Though I think that makes sense, I've heard the dome mentioned just once when I've heard it mentioned. And I've heard this impending trade talked about almost all week on ESPN and online so I've heard/seen it dozens if not hundreds of times, so II don' think it can just be that.
As I've seen several point out, Indy may "feel" right to people because it's another Midwestern city that seems like a good fit with a team that is ready to win now, but most of the other teams can offer a higher draft pick and will Detroit honestly be able to pass up on something in the top 15 for the 21st pick and whatever else they can get to rebuild. The Lions are set to lose Golladay this offseason in addition to Stafford.
In addition to the teams I mentioned before, I've seen Broncos mentioned often, but also the Eagles, the Falcons, the Steelers, the Saints and the Jets. I wasn't thinking about any of these teams (except the Broncos, I just forgot that last time), but all of them make sense just like the first list. Quite a few teams in the market.
And interesting point about the Falcons that I haven't seen mentioned, not only do they have the dome if that's a factor, Atlanta is an area that Matt and his wife consider their second home.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:44 pm
Even if they lose: so much for Brady needing Bielichik. More of the other way around.
Disagree. Brady has been complaining all year and been in a tug of war for control over how the offense is run with Arians. Brady's won the battle in this final stretch. What has he been fighting for? To run the NE offense in Tampa. If he wants to truly be free of the Belichick, he can't be getting his old NE teammates or running anything that was conceived under Belichick.
I think what you said is going to be the narrative, and has been the narrative all season long, even though the people on TV making those claims are the same people who've been screaming to let Tom run the Patriot offense in Tampa the way he wants anytime the Bucs have stumbled this year. Using those exact words.
As for Belichick needing Tom. I'm not fan of Bill's, but basing anything off this year for him when he had the majority of his most impactful defensive players opt out for the year is unfair to his legacy.
And related to this, it has been highly disturbing to see so little mentioned about what Cam Newton looked like pre and post-covid. It was a startlingly difference, was mentioned early on that maybe he was having some lingering effects and almost like they told them not to mention it again because we don't want to bring attention to how callous we're being, I barely heard another word about it in the second half of the season. Only thing more disturbing on that front has been Myles Garrett's clearly lingering covid effects being dismissed like it's normal for a star defensive end to be grabbing oxygen after every single play.
by Togtdyalttai The refs just screwed the Packers over. I know it would have been a penalty if they had been calling it like that for the whole game, but they hadn't done that. I now understand how Saints fans have felt in the past few years.
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ponchi101 JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:47 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:44 pm
Even if they lose: so much for Brady needing Bielichik. More of the other way around.
Disagree. Brady has been complaining all year and been in a tug of war for control over how the offense is run with Arians. Brady's won the battle in this final stretch. What has he been fighting for? To run the NE offense in Tampa. If he wants to truly be free of the Belichick, he can't be getting his old NE teammates or running anything that was conceived under Belichick.
I think what you said is going to be the narrative, and has been the narrative all season long, even though the people on TV making those claims are the same people who've been screaming to let Tom run the Patriot offense in Tampa the way he wants anytime the Bucs have stumbled this year. Using those exact words.
As for Belichick needing Tom. I'm not fan of Bill's, but basing anything off this year for him when he had the majority of his most impactful defensive players opt out for the year is unfair to his legacy.
And related to this, it has been highly disturbing to see so little mentioned about what Cam Newton looked like pre and post-covid. It was a startlingly difference, was mentioned early on that maybe he was having some lingering effects and almost like they told them not to mention it again because we don't want to bring attention to how callous we're being, I barely heard another word about it in the second half of the season. Only thing more disturbing on that front has been Myles Garrett's clearly lingering covid effects being dismissed like it's normal for a star defensive end to be grabbing oxygen after every single play.
I like your analysis, but I feel Belichick is going to be like Popovich sans Duncan. He is certainly a great coach, but let's see what he does with a new QB next year. As of today, and the way these guys play the game, Brady is in the SB, Bill did not make the playoffs. That is as much of an analysis I can make.
by JazzNU Yeah, this will likely be similar to the Saints where the fans are going to ignore the other things that happened like they did, namely an interception in overtime by their HOF QB, in favor of hating the refs because it's easier to blame them. The Green Bay Packers fans should be mad at a party of one right now: Matt LaFleur.
It's 4th and goal on a one score game and you kick the field goal when Aaron Rodgers is your QB? And you give the ball back to Tom Brady with 2 minutes still on the clock? You deserve to lose with that nonsense.
Also, How do you not turn those two straight Jaire Alexander interceptions into any points?!?
I know the Packers fans will probably blame the refs, but they really shouldn't. So many chances to at least tie and it just didn't happen. LaFleur will have a tough week or two of questions and it's well deserved time on the hot seat. The Mike McCarthy/Matt LaFleur memes popping up right now says it all.
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patrick Togtdyalttai wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:17 pm
The refs just screwed the Packers over. I know it would have been a penalty if they had been calling it like that for the whole game, but they hadn't done that. I now understand how Saints fans have felt in the past few years.
Right call in the book but wrong call today considering the way defensive backs been playing receivers today on both sides.
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Togtdyalttai JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:03 am
Yeah, this will likely be similar to the Saints where the fans are going to ignore the other things that happened like they did, namely an interception in overtime by their HOF QB, in favor of hating the refs because it's easier to blame them.
The Green Bay Packers fans should be mad at a party of one right now: Matt LaFleur.
It's 4th and goal on a one score game and you kick the field goal when Aaron Rodgers is your QB? And you give the ball back to Tom Brady with 2 minutes still on the clock? You deserve to lose with that nonsense.
Also, How do you not turn those two straight Jaire Alexander interceptions into any points?!?
I know the Packers fans will probably blame the refs, but they really shouldn't. So many chances to at least tie and it just didn't happen. LaFleur will have a tough week or two of questions and it's well deserved time on the hot seat. The Mike McCarthy/Matt LaFleur memes popping up right now says it all.
Oh we are. But the refs still deserve blame as well.
by ptmcmahon As a Packers fan (had my Rodgers jersey on all day) I have no problem with the penalty. He grabbed the jersey, that’s a penalty. Nowhere near the level of what happened to Saints.
And I 100% agree with Jazz. I was shocked when we kicked a field goal. I never even had considered that at all as a possibility. We had many chances to tie the game and blew them after all our interceptions got us back in it. Looked like Rodgers had chance to run it in twice too, surprised he didn’t try either time.
I have the second game on and I just can’t mentally get into it. Sounds silly but gonna take me a little bit to mentally recover from that game.
by ptmcmahon And although I’m mad at LaFleur today I sure hope two 13-3 seasons and NFC championship games doesn’t land him on the hot seat.
by JazzNU By the "hot seat" I meant under fire because after being recognized constantly for having a great year, whew, this was not a good game for him. Not actual job in jeopardy kind of hot seat.
That being said, Aaron is not happy, and his post-game statements are...interesting. Like I have no idea what the off season is going to bring kind of interesting, so hard to say what will happen.
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JazzNU JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:37 am
That being said, Aaron is not happy, and his post-game statements are...interesting. Like I have no idea what the off season is going to bring kind of interesting, so hard to say what will happen.
For instance:
by ponchi101 Post game blues. Name me one team where he would have a better chance of a SB, AND that would trade for him. As mentioned above, they went 13-3. Keep that in perspective.
by ptmcmahon Thank goodness this game hasn’t required much mental attention. It’s all been a blur to me, other than that crazy Hill run.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:26 am
Post game blues. Name me one team where he would have a better chance of a SB, AND that would trade for him. As mentioned above, they went 13-3. Keep that in perspective.
He's not making any decisions now. Here's a clip of the press conference. He knows some of this is post game. But can't pretend this is the only thing that has happened. And it's not like it's the first time this has been floated. I think it's on the table.
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JazzNU ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:33 am
Thank goodness this game hasn’t required much mental attention. It’s all been a blur to me, other than that crazy Hill run.
I'm sure the focus will be Mahomes, Mahomes, and more Mahomes in the post game. With a little Kelce, Hardman, and Hill mixed in. But the offense doing well is hardly surprising. The big difference is that the Chiefs defense is performing above their usual. They are one of the worst teams in the NFL defending in the red zone, and they've done a great job holding the Bills to field goals. And an impressive job containing Diggs and making Josh go for the less dynamic options.
by ti-amie I'm kinda sorta still watching - it's on the tv - but I really thought this would be a different game, more defense.
Let's see who they throw out.
by JazzNU The notepad is out, that's not a good sign...
by ti-amie "All penalties offset". Oy.
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Togtdyalttai ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:26 am
Post game blues. Name me one team where he would have a better chance of a SB, AND that would trade for him. As mentioned above, they went 13-3. Keep that in perspective.
Maybe the Rams, 49ers or Saints? But I don't think it would be a better chance of a Super Bowl, merely a roughly equal chance.
by ponchi101 Uhm, good choices. I would like the Saints. One of my teams, and I like Rodgers.
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ptmcmahon One other thing that makes it feel worse for us Packers fans is how spoiled we have been by Rodgers...usually if we lose it's not competitive (ex vs SF last year.) If we start making a comeback and get in a position to win usually we pull it out.
Also, I hate Brady and this is the first time he's had to play us in playoffs. I'm down to about 40-50% grumpy this AM
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meganfernandez ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:53 pm
One other thing that makes it feel worse for us Packers fans is how spoiled we have been by Rodgers...usually if we lose it's not competitive (ex vs SF last year.) If we start making a comeback and get in a position to win usually we pull it out.
Also, I hate Brady and this is the first time he's had to play us in playoffs. I'm down to about 40-50% grumpy this AM
I was hate-watching to see Brady lose. And I'm in Indianapolis, so I'm cool with the Packers (good solid Midwest team, not in the Colts conference). I can't imagine how much that loss stings after so many chances. The TD at the end of the half was probably the biggest mistake from the Packers, then having to go for 2 and missing. Missed chances after interceptions.The decision at the end was atrocious, but they shouldn't have been in that position anyway.
So sorry!
At least the AO will distract you pretty soon.
by ptmcmahon Yes good point about that TD too. Another mental letdown. I was watching slightly after it ended (recorded game) so I saw that TD and the first one in second half within minutes of each other. I was pretty dejected after those couple of real life minutes.
Like you said, so many chances...we really helped beat ourselves last night.
by ponchi101 One thing about the Bucs. They have become a turnover machine these last weeks. 3 yesterday, 4 against the Saints, I don't recall if they had any against WFT.
That works.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:26 am
Post game blues. Name me one team where he would have a better chance of a SB, AND that would trade for him. As mentioned above, they went 13-3. Keep that in perspective.
FYI, watching ESPN today, Adam Schefter said it's more than this game and more than the post-game comments. Last week, much less emotional at the time obviously, Aaron said his future was "a beautiful mystery."
Doesn't mean he's going at all. But he's putting out breadcrumbs, which he likes to do, and it was before this game. He's stayed in Green Bay before, he may again, but obviously, they did a little something that pissed him off last year in a way that has never happened before, so we shall see. But it's more than post-game blues.
And FWIW, he is a California boy and moving back has always been in play. Northern California is where he's from and where he expected to play, but he also owns a home 20 minutes from the Ram's facility per Schefter. And Sean McVay did say everything is up for evaluation in the offseason, Goff included, so...
by ponchi101 The legacy of Bill O'Brien. You sent Hopkins away, in a lousy trade, and now this franchise is losing a star QB.
I like the Texans and I would like to see Watson stay. But yes, he has every right to want out. This franchise has been very poorly managed.
See him land with the Pats. See them go toe to toe vs the new Bills. See the AFC East become a powerhouse (Miami will also get better).
by JazzNU Well I guess the Rams future is no longer a "beautiful mystery" and they can stop sending coded messages to Aaron through the media. And Jared Goff the California boy will have to such it up and deal with winter weather.
by ptmcmahon Considering Stanford’s recent injuries think Detroit did well to get back so many picks with Goff. Although part of that is probably because of Goffs contract.
by Fastbackss It hasn't been above freezing in a number of days and we got fresh snow last night.
Welcome Jared!
by ponchi101 Uh, I just don't get it. What can Jared Goff and his massive contract bring to Detroit?
He has got to be in the bottom third of QB's in the league. With two really good receivers (Woods and Cupp) and a better than average TE (Higbee), he went for 20 Td's in the season.
No wonder the Lions are always in the bottom of the pile. I don't understand decisions like this one.
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Togtdyalttai ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:17 pm
Uh, I just don't get it. What can Jared Goff and his massive contract bring to Detroit?
He has got to be in the bottom third of QB's in the league. With two really good receivers (Woods and Cupp) and a better than average TE (Higbee), he went for 20 Td's in the season.
No wonder the Lions are always in the bottom of the pile. I don't understand decisions like this one.
Well, they did get some draft picks. Maybe they draft another quarterback in case Goff doesn't work out?
by Fastbackss They have a more than serviceable starter while they rebuild.
They get plenty of draft picks - probably the best deal out there (although man it seemed to come fast given can't be official until mid-March).
His contract is a "little" heavy - but perhaps they think they still have plenty of cap space (even if they have to move him)
by ponchi101 Well, guess it wasn't Belichick...
by JazzNU I don't remember who, but someone on here listens to the LeBatard show. And so this comment is for them more than others, but Gronk in the post season, but especially the Super Bowl versus how le looked at the beginning when he could barely move? I say with my best Stugotz voice that "someone might want to look into that."
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:08 am
Well, guess it wasn't Belichick...
What I said still stands for me, they are running the Patriots offense. Todd Bowles will hopefully get a lot of credit for what the defense brought to the table all season and in this Super Bowl, not enough has been said of it.
But let's not pretend there aren't outside forces affecting what we're seeing today. It's unfortunate, this should be more competitive and maybe it will get there. But it's also not surprising that it isn't to this point. It is what it is.
by ponchi101 Do the Chiefs have an offensive line? This is embarrassing.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:52 am
Do the Chiefs have an offensive line? This is embarrassing.
I picked the Bucs to win because the moment Eric Fisher went out with the injury last game, it became advantage Bucs. Mahomes hasn't played a game without him prior to the end of the last game. All the good defensive commentators on ESPN have said the last two weeks, the responsibility to make up for Fisher will come down to his backup, who is a backup for a reason, and Kelce doing more elite blocking than he is known for. And here we are.
And the Bucs defense hasn't gotten talked about enough this year. They are a monster. Todd Bowles and his defense will hopefully get the credit they deserve. They disputed Patrick in ways he hasn't seen this year. This win is not just Tom, Tom, Tom.
by shtexas Well, Tampa fans can be thrilled.
For me, it was depressing. Including that muted, "Us" style half- time show.
by ponchi101 It was a defensive win. That Mahones was held with no TD's and KC only got 3 FG's is impressive.
To me there is a moment n which the numbers are too much. Brady went from a good team to a 7-9 team and got another ring. That stops any conversation. I simply could not argue against that.
by JazzNU I don't know the other guy's name, but there is a second O-lineman who was on the injury report and out this week. The Chiefs needed both to keep Mahomes upright.
Tom should get his due credit for this win. But I'm not gonna sit here and pretend I don't remember that he was not the reason the Patriots won those first sets of Superbowls. TB is impressive, but probably what is most impressive about him to me is how he has become this great quarterback, because he was not a great one to start. They had to hide him like a rookie QB for awhile and were winning by a Adam Vinatieri field goal more often than no. So even though I am not a fan of him, Belichick shouldn't be discounted just because of this, even more so when it's well known Brady pushed for and got to run the Patriots offense in Tampa.
by ptmcmahon I started game late after getting kids to bed. My recording cut out at 14-9... and came back at 28-9 with Tampa getting an interception. Amazing how one real life minute for me went from exciting game to ... wow this isn’t close and looks pretty much over.
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patrick JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:37 am
I don't know the other guy's name, but there is a second O-lineman who was on the injury report and out this week. The Chiefs needed both to keep Mahomes upright.
Tom should get his due credit for this win. But I'm not gonna sit here and pretend I don't remember that he was not the reason the Patriots won those first sets of Superbowls. TB is impressive, but probably what is most impressive about him to me is how he has become this great quarterback, because he was not a great one to start. They had to hide him like a rookie QB for awhile and were winning by a Adam Vinatieri field goal more often than no. So even though I am not a fan of him, Belichick shouldn't be discounted just because of this, even more so when it's well known Brady pushed for and got to run the Patriots offense in Tampa.
The tuck rule helped Brady to his current path.
KC offensive guard is a doctor helping the fight vs covid.
by JazzNU To clarify about the KC O-Line - I'm not sure why the Canadian who skipped this season to work on the frontlines is being mentioned in here to explain this game, but he has indeed skipped the entire season to go help fight covid. He was never part of any analysis leading up to the SB even though the O-line was a big storyline. So in terms of what was different this game than others even just in the playoffs? It's about the 2020 O-Line missing two of their starting tackles, Eric Fisher, who had the big injury in the last game, and the other player's name is Mitchell Swartz.
by ti-amie Once The Patriots, sorry Buccaneers got started and Mahomes started getting clobbered and rushed by the Bucs defense the game was over. Mahomes looked confused out there.
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JazzNU
Not much. The covid haircut situation was likely more of a disruption to all but Andy Reid.
This was well known. Highly publicized for the last 72 hours. Did it have some effect? I'm sure their preparation was slightly different missing a coach. But no, this doesn't explain everything away. There is a reason it has barely got a mention outside of people wishing the little girl gets better in the discussions being had today.
Andy was slightly off his game, his playcalling wasn't good. But the thing he's grappling with the most is that he likely can't get Britt out of this jam the way he has for everything else. Because I can't begin to state enough how this ish isn't new with Britt, it's just likely been awhile since he had to worry like this about him (can't say for sure, he might have been covering up for him in KC the last few years). Don't believe the generic DUI you hear talked about when referencing his past. It may have just been alcohol and Adderall this time around, but trust that it was hard drugs every time before that. Both sons were ragging druggies with serious addictions from basically late high school years on and that involved years of enabling by both Andy and his wife and years and years of rehab attempts to try to get to a better place. Didn't work at all with the one son obviously, and here we are with Britt. This is a mess for sure, but not something the Reids are unaccustomed to dealing with.
by ponchi101 Well, they know what to draft this season.
And I am sure most of the pressures were on the second half.
by JazzNU As expected, JJ Watt is leaving the dumpster fire that is the Houston Texans.
by ponchi101 Ok, now there is no way Watson stays.
One man. O'brien. That is all it takes to bring an organization down. One bad trade, and it all goes to hell.
by JazzNU It's becoming clear that it's not really O'Brien, though he wasn't good. There's a guy named Jack Easterby that has entirely too much influence on the owner, who is likely not qualified for the job he holds, has risen up an odd career track and is not using sound judgment to make decisions. More, letting the Lord lead him to the right decision kind of a thing. Not kidding.
I mentioned this before when Andre Johnson spoke up on behalf of Deshaun, and just the sheer number of Texan players that have agreed with him have made it clear what's going on there. The owner is following the words of a pastor that seems to have the influence of a cult leader.
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ponchi101 The day JazzNu got me started...
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ponchi101 Wow...
by ti-amie Children in cages. 400k and counting dead from a mutating virus. THIS is what keeps her up at night?
by ponchi101 I recommend she really never goes out again. It may be tough to face the REAL world, being this woman.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:07 am
Children in cages. 400k and counting dead from a mutating virus. THIS is what keeps her up at night?
Maybe she'll get the public apology she's clearly looking for. Tom's been apologizing a bit more than usual lately, but kinda think she's going to be waiting a while on this one. People are absolutely laughing at ole girl, so public pressure is likely going to be very low where he doesn't feel the need to do it even if it wouldn't be genuine.
by JazzNU ICYMI, the Eagles traded Carson Wentz to the Colts for a ham sandwich
by ponchi101 And will he really start for the Colts? I know Indy gets two picks, neither too high, but they truly need a QB now that Rivers has retired.
I really know nothing about football. These trades make no sense to me, ever.
by JazzNU The head coach of the Colts was on the Eagles staff during Wentz's best year in 2017, so those that believe his problems are fixable think reuniting with Frank, his old offensive coordinator, or his old QB coach, John DeFilippo with the Bears, will magically make this happen. They ignore his weak and fragile ego and his many injuries since then. We'll see. Carson needing this much hand holding and ego massaging is pitiful, and it's not like Doug Pederson isn't a former QB coach and Offensive Coordinator that surely taught Frank and John some of what they know, so him being this version of pitiful of late doesn't seem all that fixable to me, but guess we'll see.
by JazzNU None of these owners are angels, but some really are worse than others.
by ponchi101 He has a penchant for always being in the wrong side of any issue, doesn't he?
by JazzNU Won't change that he's awful and needs to sell the team, but guess we'll see if this deters Dan Snyder from trying to pimp out the cheerleaders for the time being.
by ponchi101 Hope they get paid properly. With benefits.
by JazzNU So Dianna tweeted this early yesterday. She has very good sources, so it wasn't taken lightly and it put the idea on the horizon.
Then she retweeted this, something that as far as I know, went under the radar on the day it happened. So get ready. Players you know and like on their current teams, are going to be surprise free agents. We've already seen it happen this week (Kyle Rudolph, Golden Tate, Jared Cook).
by ponchi101 I think there will be a good chance that Russell gets traded. In the end, the last few weeks of his poor play were poor play calling. Carroll decided to become a running team, with Russell, Metcalf and Locket available. Russell must be like "Fine, you don't want me to throw the ball? I can go and throw it somewhere else".
by JazzNU I don't think Russ is going anywhere at all. I think the front office has got to wake up and get the man an offensive line, and this might have finally done that. Some of what gets missed in all this noise, is that though the agent released the landing spots for a reason, it was a list formulated at the time that the no-trade clause contract was signed. I don't think he's seriously trying to force his way out right now.
There is predicted to be a lot of movement in the QB position, Scheftie said at one point, that it could be around 18 and he'd take the over. I just don't think the franchise is ready to realize what life without Russ is like. I can't see the Allens signing off on it. Could be wrong, but I have a hard time believing a smart family like that forgets what the perception was of them before Russ arrived.
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JazzNU Posting it this way so you can see the entire list, the Tweet will only show the cutoff version without clicking the photo directly.
Dianna Russini
@diannaESPN
Teams who have money to spend
by patrick Buccaneers may possibly be losing Lavonte David to Miami.
by ponchi101 Even if he does not come back as a backup, he should be hired like in 5 minutes as a QB coach. I am sure Mahones would endorse that.
by JazzNU Mahomes? Okay, but I doubt the current KC QB coach would give up his position all that quickly or appreciate the endorsement unless you meant for another team.
Also, it's really strange to me how much people associate Alex Smith with the Chiefs.
by ponchi101 I did mean for another team. Mahones has praised Smith on several occasions, saying what a great teammate he was and how, when Mahones came to the team, Smith helped him a lot.
Obviously the Chiefs do not need a QB coach. But there are a lot of others that do. I would say the Rams, with a new QB, could be one.
by JazzNU Two years after the deal should've been done, the deal is finally done. Also, Dak got a no-trade clause.
by JazzNU Franchise tag moves happening at a rapid pace today. Players getting the tag and a lot of players being told they won't be tagged, making them free agents.
Few are getting tagged, but Chris Godwin was. Some not getting tagged so far are Kenny Golladay, Bud Dupree, and Hunter Henry.
by JazzNU The reason for the many, many moves happening in the NFL right now. Dumbest cap in all of sports.
by ponchi101 $182 MM split amongst 56 players? But the owners have no such caps, right?
What you said.
by JazzNU But it's so much worse than that. It's like maybe $107 MM for let's say 53 players. Because your 3 best players, let's say the QB and top two defensive players will swallow up close to $75 million in cap space alone. Exceptions being teams with QB's on their rookie contracts and those that hit on some playmakers in later rounds that are now starters.
It's ridiculous. NFL makes more more than any other league and they do this.
by ponchi101 Add to that the short life-spans of so many positions...
Truly a good reason for a major strike. As you say, it is the most lucrative league in the world.
by ponchi101 N.O. now in deep problems to find a good QB. T. Hill will not do it. If they can cut down on WInston's INT, they have their man, but that is still a big if.
Will miss Brees. He was a favorite.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:16 pm
N.O. now in deep problems to find a good QB. T. Hill will not do it. If they can cut down on WInston's INT, they have their man, but that is still a big if.
Will miss Brees. He was a favorite.
You'll be very happy to know this was just announced too. Good news!
by patrick Too much for Hill,IMO.
by ptmcmahon No kidding. He can scramble fine but didn’t show he was much of a passing QB. A lot of money for someone who probably should remain a backup / gadget play guy.
by ponchi101 I am not going to link to it because I already closed the tab, but it seems the contract for Hill is some sort or accountants' trick. The entire contract is VOIDABLE, so N.O. can use it for manipulating the cap.
Seems the story is still developing. Jameis will see A LOT of snaps this year.
Sidestory. Brees was a good QB when he got to N.O., but not a great one. Then he developed. Could that be Winston's case? I would like that.
by JazzNU Yes, the voidable info is in the tweet I posted. But honestly, the mere idea that he was signed to anything of this value is insane, voidable or not. The guaranteed bonuses he is getting from this year alone are the amount he is worth over a 4-year period. NO is setting the market for him as if one exists, when it doesn't. No other team would be paying out anywhere near that amount of bonus money for him.
Jameis will not necessarily see a lot of snaps this year. They are working on a contract. He is not the starter and it will be a competition even if they sign him. Given the QB need in the league for next season, that's an approach that may see him leave NO and they'll deserve every bit of being stuck with their glorified Tight End at QB.
by JazzNU Amazingly, this is a domino falling for teams looking to win now.
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JazzNU Be kind to the Bears fans in your life. They're going through a rough time right now. Had high hopes of getting Deshaun Watson. Switched all their hopes to Russell Wilson and thought it was all but certain they were going to get him. And the Bears just signed Andy Dalton to a one-year contract today. Bears fans are understandably having a rough day.
by JazzNU In case you've never grasped how dire the Chicago QB situation has been.
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ti-amie JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:46 pm
Be kind to the Bears fans in your life. They're going through a rough time right now. Had high hopes of getting Deshaun Watson. Switched all their hopes to Russell Wilson and thought it was all but certain they were going to get him. And the Bears just signed Andy Dalton to a one-year contract today. Bears fans are understandably having a rough day.
Going from Russell Wilson to andy Dalton? I'm not a Bears fan and I'm sad.
by ponchi101 Between Dalton and Fitzpatrick... Fitzmagic. He will at least give you 4 games, with some lunatic games of 400 yds.
So the Bears GM's really stay asleep at the button.
by ptmcmahon Monday Night Flex scheduling will be nice... they often have some stinkers. Too bad we have to wait until week 12 for it.
by JazzNU It all kind of feels like it could be a pain, but we'll see, hopefully it'll end up being better than I'm currently envisioning.
Do you get access to games in Canada if they are Prime Exclusives? Thursday night games are apparently going that route in 2023 and beyond.
by ptmcmahon Were there any prime exclusive games last season? I only remember once wondering why a game wasn’t on...one of the December triple headers on Saturday. I wanna say San Francisco and Arizona. It was the middle game on Boxing Day when there were three games and it was the only time all year there was one game on and we didn’t have it.
by ptmcmahon Checked and...
San Francisco 49ers (5-9) at Arizona Cardinals (8-6) (4:30 e.t., Amazon/Twitch):
So that game we did not get. Will need to find some way to stream Thursday night games maybe.
by JazzNU Don't worry, I have a site with reliable streams if it comes to that. Even if it disappears, another will surely pop up.
I just wondered what the deal was when I saw that. The article said nationally televised games, so maybe there will be an alternate option for Canada. But just wondered if that was a possibility.
The game that was on Amazon Prime was fine. Not that much different than the regular. Some people had trouble with the streaming, but it felt like it was more operator error than any big issue. I think the ESPN+ exclusive game starts this year, but that's just the one time from the sound of it.
by JazzNU Dolphins have made some seriously questionable trades in recent years, but damn it if they aren't making it look like they are the winners at the end of the day with the number of picks in their arsenal to make moves. But if it doesn't result in a SB or at least an SB appearance, joke might still be on them.
by ti-amie Stephen White is my only NFL player/ex-player follow. I like his calm, sensible approach to NFL matters and the insanity around us.
Stephen White
@sgw94
I haven't convicted him of s**t. I gave my opinion based on my knowledge. Now the question is who is paying YOU to defend him? Why are you sure he is innocent? What do you know that the rest of us don't?
Im all ears.
by ponchi101 It looks to me as if Bradley is replying to the account above him, not to White. Minor detail in the overall scheme but, since people believe that issues of this relevance are to be discussed in 140 characters...
by JazzNU I think we have at least one big fan of Aaron Rodgers on here
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ptmcmahon Yes saw that but thanks for the reminder
Think we have a couple others as well.
by JazzNU Chump change. But they really don't like Teddy Bridgewater, huh?
by ponchi101 Because Sam Darnold has proven that he can do exactly what that Bridgewater can't?
That is the reason I will never be anything anywhere. You are going to tell me that there will be NO QB's in the sixth-round of the incoming draft that are as good as Darnold?
by JazzNU Sneak peek. Two week guest hosting starts tonight. Many think he might retire if offered the full time gig and I think he would definitely cut his NFL career short for it.
by ponchi101 I agree. I don't mind the Bucs, and I think that one more year together, in a sport that is so choreographed, can only help.
Then again, who knows if this is a winning recipe.
by Togtdyalttai I don't think the Bucs win the Super Bowl again this year, just because there's a lot of randomness in the NFL compared to other professional sports leagues. Having playoff matches be only one game as opposed to a series plays a large part. A greater injury rate does as well. But if they're healthy and make it deep in the playoffs again, they'll be tough to beat.
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ptmcmahon In general I would say most sports (at least in North America) seem pretty random in the last couple of decades... NHL for example has only had one repeat champion this century, Yankeees were last repeat World Series champs in 2000. NBA seems to be the exception, and with the smallest rosters that would make sense... although there has been a lot of movement of superstar players (especially Lebron) so even that is becoming more fluid.
As a Brady hater and Pack fan I'd cheering for them to go 0-16.
by JazzNU AND the focus on Draft Day just shifted big time! The makings of an epic (expletive) and I'm here for it since that is not remotely my team.
by ptmcmahon Have been bracing for it since end of NFC Championship, but until something actually happens...hoping they do something tonight to "throw him a bone."
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JazzNU ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:39 pm
Have been bracing for it since end of NFC Championship, but until something actually happens...hoping they do something tonight to "throw him a bone."
I thought it was going to happen with all the beautiful mystery stuff and then it died down to nothing and I thought I guess he won't make a move until next season when the contract terms were more advantageous.
But if he's making it known publicly that he's trying to not play another snap with them essentially things are much worse than previously reported, and I wonder if there's a bone to be thrown that will appease him other than a trade for the #3 pick and whatever else they want.
The GM couldn't have handled this worse over the last few weeks, so it's not surprising we are here on that front.
by ptmcmahon I will say I was planning just to record this and start later tonight, but may have to make sure I watch it live tonight, just in case.
by ti-amie So someone asked this question on the bird app.
by JazzNU Schefter just said:
1) The President, General Manager, and Head Coach have all taken separate trips out to California to visit with him to try to mend the rift. Hasn't worked.
2) He turned down the extension offer
3) And now he's letting it be known more publicly he has no plans to go back.
What is the fix? I don't know if there is one.
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JazzNU You'll hear the 49ers and the Rams contacting and I'm sure a few others. But keep it in the back of your mind. And they have a great appreciation for one another, like sky high.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:23 pm
So someone asked this question on the bird app.
Cleveland says yes. I wouldn't be so certain about that no from Arizona. Cincinnati says no unless there are concerns coming back from scans (people have Justin Herbert amnesia - Joe Burrow was winning that ROY ahead of Herbert before his injury). Ravens and Jags say no too.
On the Packers end - they aren't calling 31 teams. Doubtful they want some of these starting QBs who aren't the equivalent of a first rounder.
by ti-amie To be honest I haven't been following this that closely but wasn't there noise about Russell Wilson wanting out of Seattle or something?
I agree with the "no's" that guy posted.
by ptmcmahon Yeah that's why I wouldn't put Seattle on that list.
I think there are many other teams that may not give up a first round pick + their starter for a 37 year old quarterback, especially some that would likely be at the very top of the draft. For example, if what I hear about how much Jacksonville like Lawrence is true, I'm guessing they wouldn't do trade....they'll probably still have an early pick next year.
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ptmcmahon JazzNU wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:24 pm
Schefter just said:
1) The President, General Manager, and Head Coach have all taken separate trips out to California to visit with him to try to mend the rift. Hasn't worked.
2) He turned down the extension offer
3) And now he's letting it be known more publicly he has no plans to go back.
What is the fix? I don't know if there is one.
Sounds like he wants an extension, but team is trying to restructure deal instead? So maybe an extension might be "fix"? Time to see how long term committed we are to Love I guess.
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JazzNU ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:32 pm
Sounds like he wants an extension, but team is trying to restructure deal instead? So maybe an extension might be "fix"? Time to see how long term committed we are to Love I guess.
He doesn't want an extension. He turned down the extension offer that was made. He's also been paid the money he's guaranteed on the contract. GB's handling means the dates for many things have passed on his contract. Could they still restructure the rest? I believe so, but there isn't reporting that he's asking for that at this point.
And remember, the President, GM, and Head Coach all went out to speak to him. Different contract terms had to have been discussed then and still we are here.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:12 pm
To be honest I haven't been following this that closely but wasn't there noise about Russell Wilson wanting out of Seattle or something?
I agree with the "no's" that guy posted.
Seattle is a no. Yes, Russell is thinking about leaving Seattle, but that's largely about them not getting him an OL line as he's been pushing for for a few years. He might be willing to stay more long term after tonight. But regardless, Seattle remains a no. Russell has a no trade clause in his contract, he gets to sign off on any trade. GB is not on his list and don't let the Wisconsin connection lead you to think he'd reconsider. Ciara is not moving to GB.
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ponchi101 Aaron Rodgers ------->>>>> New Orleans. They have Kamara and Thomas.
Please
by ptmcmahon Similarly they just wrapped up having one of the best QBs ever and just one Super Bowl to show for it.
The more news I read, the more worried I get. I probably started the day about a 2 or 3 out of 10, and I'm definitely at least up to 7 or 8 after reading the latest news.
Was very hard when Favre left... the difference then was I was very excited about who was coming in and the fault seemed to lie as much with Favre as the team, if not more. Completely different this time.
by ptmcmahon Sounds like Denver is getting close...
by ptmcmahon “If Aaron Rodgers is traded before June 2, the Packers will have $31.556M of 2021 dead money because of dealing him. The only 2021 cap hit for a player on a team that would be bigger would belong to Russell Wilson ($32M). Carson Wentz' dead money with Philly is $33,820,611.“
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by ponchi101 Miami-Buffalo in the AFC East just got really good. If the Patriots make a comeback and the Jets figure it out, that will be one really competitive division, after years of being a dud.
by ptmcmahon I do have to take credit for one comment...after the Bears drafted Fields I said if Rodgers gets traded, he may be the best QB in the division now...which Mel Kiper immediately echoed a minute later.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 1:36 am
Miami-Buffalo in the AFC East just got really good. If the Patriots make a comeback and the Jets figure it out, that will be one really competitive division, after years of being a dud.
How is that the only really competitive division? And especially don't understand the logic when you have two ifs in the statement. And Miami-Buffalo was good this last year, the reason the Dolphins didn't get to the playoffs even with 10 wins.
by ponchi101 Well, I did not say it would be THE ONE competitive division. I said it would be ONE competitive division, not the only one.
And I included two IFS because if the Pats and Jets remain the same, it will be Miami-BUF, and two good teams in a division do not make a competitive division, it makes just two good teams.
by ptmcmahon BOO! Guess I'll have to watch those online somehow.
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JazzNU ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:36 pm
BOO! Guess I'll have to watch those online somehow.
That typically isn't hard, though I've admittedly never had to try it with a Thursday Night game, so I guess we'll see when the time comes. I'm not thinking it'll be an issue. But I'd also think Canada would need their own rights, so maybe you'll still get it on TV.
by JazzNU I missed this the other night. Dying.
by ptmcmahon Well Amazon Prime is available in Canada so maybe they just "make us" get that?
by ponchi101 Remember it is just part of the plan. This is how you conquer the world, one subscription at a time.
by ti-amie
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk
This memo contains nothing the teams don’t already know. It is, put simply, a middle finger to the NFLPA for launching a pointless effort to get players to not work out at team facilities.
by ponchi101 I wonder what facility can be better equipped than an NFL training facility. Why train somewhere else?
by ponchi101 I searched the news. As a TE? That is insane. The man has been how many years off the game and if he was not able to make the cut as a QB in the NFL, why think he can make it in a new position?
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ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:31 pm
I searched the news. As a TE? That is insane. The man has been how many years off the game and if he was not able to make the cut as a QB in the NFL, why think he can make it in a new position?
NFL Twitter was saying that when he came out of college the Patriots told him he needed to look at changing to a different position and he was very resistant to doing now. Urban Meyer (sp) tells him the same thing and he's okay with it. The team is also saying that he will be "good in the locker room". So he'll really be a mascot? What's the base pay in the NFL now?
by JazzNU Channeling his inner Marshawn Lynch here.
by JazzNU Looks like it was correct that his asking price would drop after the news of the trade request was made public
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by JazzNU First public appearance (of sorts) since Packers President in a roundabout way felt the need to say Aaron Rodgers was a "complicated fella"
by JazzNU Nothing about this should be surprising. Packers front office are the surprising ones, it's like they just met Aaron.
by ponchi101 Let's see how open the NFL really is. Let's hope Michael Sam will be the exception, not the rule.
by the Moz Good on Nassib. I hope he's an example of more to come...
by ti-amie When one of the top QB's or WR's comes out we'll know things have changed in the NFL
by JazzNU Not really. Things likely don't need to "change" in the NFL itself. If you see all the support for Carl, you'll see that most players are very supportive. But this isn't new. That's why Warren Moon is praising him and saying his gay teammates didn't feel comfortable enough coming out in public. Many, many players for the last few decades have said the same thing. Many have been out to their teammates and they've been largely supported by them, they just didn't take the step to make it public knowledge.
It's the fans that have been the question mark. So the jersey sales and the increase in donations to the Trevor Project are more telling signs than anything else. The support from the players in particular, but also the staff and the league isn't really a seed change, especially not in the last 25 years or so.
by JazzNU Every day that passes it seems more and more likely that Tom Brady left the Patriots so he could talk whenever and about whatever the **** he wanted to. Man has barely shut up since he bounced. It's like he's been freed from his shackles.
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ti-amie JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:25 pm
Every day that passes it seems more and more likely that Tom Brady left the Patriots so he could talk whenever and about whatever the **** he wanted to. Man has barely shut up since he bounced. It's like he's been freed from his shackles.
by JazzNU No reassurance for Packers fans from The Match today.
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ti-amie JazzNU wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:48 am
No reassurance for Packers fans from The Match today.
Doesn't the NFL preseason start in August?
by JazzNU Pre-season? Yes. Mini camps have already begun, training camps start end of the month. We've got a potential Carson Palmer situation on the horizon.
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JazzNU JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:25 pm
Every day that passes it seems more and more likely that Tom Brady left the Patriots so he could talk whenever and about whatever the **** he wanted to. Man has barely shut up since he bounced. It's like he's been freed from his shackles.
I repeat, every damn day I'm more certain.
by JazzNU The NFL has been very clear that they will make your life difficult if you don't get vaccinated and I'm very okay with it. No one wants or needs a repeat of last seasons.
There's reporting that 13 teams are over 85%. Not bad, but not great. Over 70% of players have at least one shot. And 2 teams (Washington and Indy) are under 50%.
As was said repeatedly a few weeks ago when ignorance was on display by an NFL player. These fools will take repeated Toradol shots, but have a problem with taking a two-shot vaccine proven to be safe? Height of stupidity.
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ponchi101 JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:31 pm
The NFL has been very clear that they will make your life difficult if you don't get vaccinated and I'm very okay with it. No one wants or needs a repeat of last seasons.
There's reporting that 13 teams are over 85%. Not bad, but not great. Over 70% of players have at least one shot. And 2 teams (Washington and Indy) are under 50%.
As was said repeatedly a few weeks ago when ignorance was on display by an NFL player.
These fools will take repeated Toradol shots, but have a problem with taking a two-shot vaccine proven to be safe? Height of stupidity.
It is a frigging business decision, and the players should know it.
And I would go the same way that we were talking about insurance: you test positive for C19, are not vaccinated, and can't play one or two games? No checks for you, buddy.
by JazzNU Don't understand. Seems like they are setting themselves up for internal turmoil.
by ponchi101 Sorry, but why? I understand that Peyton is pretty easy to get along with, Eli too. Something else that we should know?
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:00 pm
Sorry, but why? I understand that Peyton is pretty easy to get along with, Eli too. Something else that we should know?
Not clear on what you're asking.
by ponchi101 You are saying that they are setting themselves up for some internal turmoil. ESPN or the Manning Brothers?
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:13 am
You are saying that they are setting themselves up for some internal turmoil. ESPN or the Manning Brothers?
ESPN. They have a Monday Night Football broadcast team that has been a mess since Mike Tirico left and then when Chuckie bounced, and they're trying to get a crew that works and doesn't get endlessly roasted on Twitter. And they sort of got that after several tries with a fairly boring, but inoffensive crew last year who are returning this year. And then they sign up Peyton and Eli to do a shadow broadcast on the other channel? Great way to sabotage the main broadcast because every network with even a the smallest of NFL property has been trying to get Peyton to do color commentary, he's a draw.
I have no doubt that this is what Peyton wanted, he's the one who can call the shots from A to Z. But man oh man does this feel like you're setting up your main broadcast crew to fail. The only time I can recall simultaneous broadcasts is when they've done Spanish commentary on ESPN2.
by ptmcmahon I'm guessing this is an experiment and if it goes "well" they become the main broadcast team.
by JazzNU ^^ The Packers structure works against them here and has during this entire thing. If there was an owner, next to none of this would've transpired.
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ti-amie The NFL is not here for your ish.
Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero
The NFL just informed clubs that if a game cannot be rescheduled during the 18-week season in 2021 due to a COVID outbreak among unvaccinated players, the team with the outbreak will FORFEIT and be credited with a loss for playoff seeding, per sources.
Massive implications.
Here’s more from today’s memo, which also says the team responsible for a canceled game because of an outbreak among unvaccinated players/staff will be responsible for financial losses and subject to potential discipline from the commissioner. Wow.
(See next post)
The league intends to play its entire 272-game schedule over 18 weeks (17 games per club). And this is key:
"We do not anticipate adding a '19th week' to accommodate games that cannot be rescheduled within the current 18 weeks of the regular season."
Play on time or don't play.
Other key competitive aspect of today's memo:
Vaccinated individuals who test positive and are asymptomatic can return to duty after two negative tests 24 hours apart.
Unvaccinated individuals still subject to mandatory 10-day isolation period.
More strong language from today's NFL memo:
"Every club is obligated under the Constitution and Bylaws to have its team ready to play at the scheduled time and place. A failure to do so is deemed conduct detrimental. There is no right to postpone a game."
This is the NFL's strongest step yet to incentivize vaccinations. In essence, vaccination status dictates action:
"If a club cannot play due to a Covid spike in vaccinated individuals, we will attempt to minimize the competitive and economic burden on both participating teams."
Here’s the precise language from today’s NFL memo on what would trigger a forfeit:
As for the justification for continuing to increase benefits for vaccinated individuals, the NFL cites CDC data and major hospital systems:
And the biggest penalty of all for players:
"If a game is cancelled and cannot be rescheduled within the current 18-week scheduled due to a Covid outbreak, neither team’s players will receive their weekly paragraph 5 salary."
You read that right: NOBODY GETS PAID.
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by ponchi101 Well, this might be an interesting precedent, and one that other "industries" may look up to. If you cannot come to work because YOU did not take precautions readily available and at your disposal, YOU don't get paid.
Might be the first time in my life that I think that THE BOTTOM LINE speaking is actually good.
by ti-amie Apparently this man has always been a jerk. His agent must be on his second bottle of bourbon, skiing or something by now. Nothing ever goes away in the digital age.
by JazzNU He has most definitely not always been a jerk. He is torching his reputation, which over the last several seasons has been stellar, that of an activist against domestic violence since his mother was a victim and was severely attacked and now blind as a result of an indirect attack related to that abuse. This is an epic mess for sure, second bottle of bourbon was likely polished off by his agent by early evening.
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ti-amie JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:59 am
He has most definitely not always been a jerk. He is torching his reputation, which over the last several seasons has been stellar, that of an activist against domestic violence since his mother was a victim and was severely attacked and now blind as a result of an indirect attack related to that abuse. This is an epic mess for sure,
second bottle of bourbon was likely polished off by his agent by early evening.
His public profile has changed and that speaks to good sports management. The incident when he was still in college screams "jerk" to me. His agent worked very hard to get him a positive image and here we are.
As for his agent, yeah, at least.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:06 pm
His public profile has changed and that speaks to good sports management. The incident when he was still in college screams "jerk" to me. His agent worked very hard to get him a positive image and here we are.
Sure, but that was never a real story. They like to report the salacious not when things get cleared up. DeAndre did not fall in the Draft, in fact he went higher than people thought he would. NFL looked into this like they do everything else, but this was at their Combine, not exactly hard for them to investigate and come to a conclusion and DeAndre didn't fall. And far less disturbing character concerns have caused players to drop in the draft. He would've dropped out of the 1st round for sure, especially as a wide receiver. He was never seen the way that tweet makes it seem. Seen as a quiet but confident hard worker with very unfortunate family circumstances who was able to overcome and persevere. That's been his story for his career, and that includes when he was at Clemson. He didn't need to craft a positive image, he already had one. You're giving his agent credit for what his mother really did in raising him.
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ti-amie JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:06 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:06 pm
His public profile has changed and that speaks to good sports management. The incident when he was still in college screams "jerk" to me. His agent worked very hard to get him a positive image and here we are.
Sure, but that was never a real story. They like to report the salacious not when things get cleared up. DeAndre did not fall in the Draft, in fact he went higher than people thought he would. NFL looked into this like they do everything else, but this was at their Combine, not exactly hard for them to investigate and come to a conclusion and DeAndre didn't fall. And far less disturbing character concerns have caused players to drop in the draft. He would've dropped out of the 1st round for sure, especially as a wide receiver. He was never seen the way that tweet makes it seem. Seen as a quiet but confident hard worker with very unfortunate family circumstances who was able to overcome and persevere. That's been his story for his career, and that includes when he was at Clemson. He didn't need to craft a positive image, he already had one. You're giving his agent credit for what his mother really did in raising him.
I stand corrected
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ptmcmahon JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:29 pm
@ptmcmahon
Someone put me in charge!
by JazzNU The most random of asks, but whatever makes Aaron happy I guess.
by JazzNU Training camps have started across the league. A lot of positive tests coming in, including Lamar Jackson who tested positive in the fall as well. Colts seem like they may have the most thus far (including their head coach), which isn't surprising, they're among the least vaccinated teams so more chances for the virus to circulate.
by JazzNU There has been just an astonishing level of dumbassery exposed in the last week. If you haven't been following, Tannenhill and Hopkins are on the light side of the ignorance scale.
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ti-amie JazzNU wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:35 pm
There has been just an astonishing level of dumbassery exposed in the last week. If you haven't been following, Tannenhill and Hopkins are on the light side of the ignorance scale.
It's all that college edimication they got.
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ptmcmahon JazzNU wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:46 pm
The most random of asks, but whatever makes Aaron happy I guess.
From Aaron Rodgers doesn't seem random at all... one of his biggest things that's made him uspet is when his receivers are released / traded etc (like Jordy Nelson as well.)
If this is what it takes to make him happy, I'm 100% on board.
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JazzNU ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:36 pm
From Aaron Rodgers doesn't seem random at all... one of his biggest things that's made him uspet is when his receivers are released / traded etc (like Jordy Nelson as well.)
If this is what it takes to make him happy, I'm 100% on board.
It's pretty random. I know you're a fan, so maybe you don't see it, clearly the fanbase likes him. I'm not talking about Aaron asking for him to come back, but it seems that's almost all he asked for in addition to whatever contract things won't be made an issue of next year. Randall is the missing link for a title? Uh, okay if you say so.
by JazzNU Chargers doing this as well. Interesting to see Chargers, Washington and Colts in the mix as some of the least vaccinated teams in the league, at last check, they were those were the three with the lowest percentages.
by ti-amie I apologize for having to include the cussing.
by ponchi101 White 1 - 0 Sherman.
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ptmcmahon JazzNU wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:51 pm
Randall is the missing link for a title? Uh, okay if you say so.
No not at all what I meant. It's not the missing link for a title.... it's something that was obviously done to keep Rodgers happy. There have been many incidents over the years of him being upset about his receivers / other players he likes being released and him not being happy about it. Rodgers may publicly be saying he wants to have more input to help make the team better... but it's just as much about being able to keep his buddies around / bring them back. I'm not defending it as a smart move... I'm just saying I am 0% surprised by it.
That said - no it won't help them on field (much at least) ... but if keeps Rodgers happy then that is good enough in my books...that's the help there, keeping him in the uniform and happy.
by ponchi101 It is NOT a PRIVATE health issue, by definition. It is a PUBLIC health issue.
It is despairing. The LAMBDA strain seems to be out there already, gaining strength.
by JazzNU It's very likely the end of days. Jerry Jones is adamantly making the case on why you need to get the covid vaccine.
by ponchi101 I saw it too. I was sincerely thinking "damn, the dropped a lot of NOTS from that article".
But indeed, he is making a lot of sense. Might make me even want the Cowboys to reach the Super Bowl. Then lose it, of course, but at least make it there.
by JazzNU There is almost no circumstance where I will be rooting for the Cowboys. The best I can do is be happy for Dak if the Cowboys succeed, but that's about it. I've liked him since his college days and have only grown to like him more.
by JazzNU The Onion being entirely too accurate
by ti-amie The last slide is the best.
by JazzNU What's really sad about Cole and other NFL players like him in particular, is The Onion could've easily subbed out CTE symptoms for Toradol ones.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:27 pm
The last slide is the best.
My faves were Bryce and Kawhi, but I laughed at most of them. They did an absolute superb job choosing a lot of the photos, like JJ's, Carson's and Kyrie's, really fit their comment.
The sad accuracy of the Pete Rose one.
by JazzNU The Twitter talk about Drew Brees' hair is the real winner of the night. Check it out if you need a laugh. Brady's hair is skating in large part, likely because it's not nearly as extreme of a change, nor are his plugs new.
by JazzNU You know it can't be good when the broadcast decides not to show it. Hope he's okay.
by ponchi101 KC/BAL was a pretty good football game. But, and of course, I have no witnesses to prove this. Was there anybody in the NFL world, or at the Baltimore stadium, that DID NOT know that the Ravens were going to run Lamar for that last touchdown? Other then the Chief's defensive coordinator?
The guy made some strange flip into the end zone. That is how wide open he was.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:12 pm
KC/BAL was a pretty good football game. But, and of course, I have no witnesses to prove this. Was there anybody in the NFL world, or at the Baltimore stadium, that DID NOT know that the Ravens were going to run Lamar for that last touchdown? Other then the Chief's defensive coordinator?
The guy made some strange flip into the end zone. That is how wide open he was.
Good game? No. Great game? Yes. If you can't get to "great" with that game, feel like you're gonna be bored most of this season.
As for knowing Lamar would run. What difference does that make? The DC knew that was the play too. They knew he was running all night and hadn't been able to stop him from gaining at least a few yards each play he tried. Still not an easy call for Harbaugh to make in that spot.
by ponchi101 I said "pretty good". You know I prefer understatements. I felt that SEA/TEN was a bit better, and ARI/MIN was damn good too.
The difference could have been than Lamar wouldn't have strolled into the end zone while sipping on a cappuccino, which is what it looked like. One thing is for Lamar to score a TD on you from the 2 yard line. Another is for him to do so without a KC defender within the same area code.
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by ptmcmahon No light hearted tweets coming out of Carolina tonight probably. If McCaffrey out for awhile that 3-0 start may not
Mean much.
by ponchi101 3-0 is nothing to disregard, but one win was over the Texans, whom everybody says is a bad team, and the other was a diluted Saints, who almost had all their coaches out.
Still, I think they are a good team. Not good to compete against the Bucs, but good enough against the Saints and Falcons. Without McCaffrey it is as you say. They may be in trouble against top teams.
by ptmcmahon So funny thing, I went to my favourite stats based analysis site... and before this week they actually had Carolina as their #1 team before the week. I'm guessing they got a big boost from having a good defensive game against New Orleans after they had a good offensive one vs Green Bay. Eager to see how they rate them after the week ... may depend on if they project them without C-Mac.
by JazzNU Dropping like flies
by ti-amie A 68 yard FG attempt by the Cardinals fell short deep in the end zone and was run back for a touch down by the Jaguars. It's officially a 109 FG return.
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Togtdyalttai ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:41 pm
A 68 yard FG attempt by the Cardinals fell short deep in the end zone and was run back for a touch down by the Jaguars. It's officially a 109 FG return.
But a 66-yard field goal won the game for the Ravens over the Lions as time expired.
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ti-amie Togtdyalttai wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:16 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:41 pm
A 68 yard FG attempt by the Cardinals fell short deep in the end zone and was run back for a touch down by the Jaguars. It's officially a 109 FG return.
But a 66-yard field goal won the game for the Ravens over the Lions as time expired.
Weird isn't it?
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:17 pm
Togtdyalttai wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:16 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:41 pm
A 68 yard FG attempt by the Cardinals fell short deep in the end zone and was run back for a touch down by the Jaguars. It's officially a 109 FG return.
But a 66-yard field goal won the game for the Ravens over the Lions as time expired.
Weird isn't it?
Not so weird. I can't even guess who the Cardinals have at kicker at the moment, but Justin Tucker is going to walk into the HOF on the first ballot.
by JazzNU And we're going from serious to soap opera. In case you missed the promo during SNF.
by ptmcmahon Wonder if I can force myself not to watch.
by ponchi101 But what song was it? Someone like you? He won't go?
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ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:26 pm
But what song was it? Someone like you? He won't go?
"Hello From the Other Side"
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JazzNU JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:00 am
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JazzNU ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:19 am
Wonder if I can force myself not to watch.
Whereas I'll be bringing the popcorn. Can't be mad at any of this, might end up getting the best ratings of the season besides the Super Bowl AND who isn't watching until the end? Gotta see if there's a warm greeting or a brush off.
And Tom was PISSED yesterday if you missed it, more than usual. I can post that gif or video if you did.
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ti-amie JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:20 pm
ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:19 am
Wonder if I can force myself not to watch.
Whereas I'll be bringing the popcorn. Can't be mad at any of this, might end up getting the best ratings of the season besides the Super Bowl AND who isn't watching until the end? Gotta see if there's a warm greeting or a brush off.
And Tom was PISSED yesterday if you missed it, more than usual. I can post that gif or video if you did.
Please post it.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:34 pm
Please post it.
End of the game:
► Show Spoiler
F*in C*su'n MFers is the prevailing consensus upon reading his lips. He's well known for a curse for sure, but not usually this creative with the language. He's big mad.
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ponchi101 I stopped disliking him when he went to TB, because he proved a point to me.
Coaches are overrated. There is not one single coach in any sport worth more than 500K/year. Belichick went from 6 SB rings to not being able to make the playoffs when this one guy left, who immediately led his team to a SB.
Still, him getting angry is funny
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:17 pm
I stopped disliking him when he went to TB, because he proved a point to me.
Coaches are overrated. There is not one single coach in any sport worth more than 500K/year. Belichick went from 6 SB rings to not being able to make the playoffs when this one guy left, who immediately led his team to a SB.
Still, him getting angry is funny
Didn't see this before. This is revisionist history. I've seen a lot of this the last few weeks. Tom Brady is most definitely not the reason the Patriots won those first Super Bowls, he was just a small part of it. He was a system QB when he was younger and NE barely squeaked out wins because they were not an offensive juggernaut.
And people have very convenient amnesia where last year is concerned and it happened quickly. Brady struggled somewhat last season through the midway point adjusting to Arians and Leftwich's offensive strategies. Him and Bruce had a tug of war at the best approach, Brady won that battle and they instituted the Belichick/McDaniels Patriots offense completely.
The point is, it's nice to look at the SB win as if it's proof of anything, but it's not. Brady is being way too much credit at the moment. Patriots teams were never as stacked as the TB teams are. Never. They were woven together on a shoestring budget basically and when anything started losing value, he quickly traded them out for another cheap option. Belichick is an asshole of the highest order, but he deserves credit for every SB that the Patriots won. Brady deserves credit, but it shouldn't remotely be in place of Belichick creating a dynasty in New England.
And acting as if the TB win wasn't about the entire team, especially the defense that held the Chiefs to 9 points and giving Tom all this credit is absolutely ridiculous. Brady and his 3 interception Conference Championship game against GB should alone be proof that should not be happening. But people like to just prop up Tom and forget all those pesky little details.
by ti-amie The QB always gets all the credit. The defense is always an afterthought. That said it's interesting how Brady has opened a window into his life since leaving NE.
He did struggle with the offense when he first got to TB but as you say he won the battle and ultimately won the war.
Can we talk about how Cam Newton was never going to work in NE? I'm giving Belichick another two years to recreate the juggernaut that was NE, like them or not.
by JazzNU QBs usually gets most of the credit, but not always, and not when their defenses are considered great ones the way the Patriots were. With Brady, they've revamped it as time went on to fit the glowing narrative. His first SB win is comparable to that of a Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer, QBs who have never once been credited with winning their SB by anyone other than their mothers.
It's pretty wild how much gets ignored for Brady to fit the narrative. But this recent incarnation of him being able to do it all on his own and not needing Belichick when he STILL needs his schemes to have success in Tampa Bay is especially ridiculous. And it's something everyone who is commentating on it knows, they talked about it most of last year, so really over the top that it is happening.
by ti-amie Lightning is delaying start of Monday Night Football. I read earlier that a lot of beaches in Cali were being closed for the same reason.
by ponchi101 And I say that Russell Wilson would have three of four more wins already if Pete Carroll would use him more productively and would not limit his throwing and his scrambles because, you know, "you have to establish the run".
No, with Russell, you don't.
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JazzNU Couldn't resist including the reply. It's the best I've seen throughout this tawdry tale.
by skatingfan I think we're missing the footage of the dancing.
by ti-amie There's a video clip of an offensive line coach for a Florida team hoovering up Colombian marching powder. I don't know if it's legit or not.
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JazzNU skatingfan wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 4:02 pm
I think we're missing the footage of the dancing.
If you check Twitter you can find it somewhere. But it's not around as much as it was. Urban clearly hired a Crisis Management firm very late Saturday night and they got the video taken down soon in short order on Sunday.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:07 pm
There's a video clip of an offensive line coach for a Florida team hoovering up Colombian marching powder. I don't know if it's legit or not.
I'm guessing it's legit, but I'm also guessing it's about 4 years old. Is it the Miami Dolphins? Because the chances of them having two coaches in the same exact position getting caught doing lines on video seems incredibly unlikely.
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JACKSONVILLE, FL—Apologizing to Jaguars fans for his early failures in leading the team, Jacksonville coach Urban Meyer admitted to reporters Tuesday that he is still adjusting to the speed of NFL cover-ups. “At the college level, these scandals take a lot longer to develop, and I’ll admit I just haven’t done the work to adjust my press strategy from Ohio State,” said Meyer, who explained that he was often able to shut down a damaging story or sweep a player’s transgressions under the rug with a single phone call while running a college program. “The NFL media ecosystem is just more complex than college, so I can’t run with the same simple denials I used in the past. I’m dealing with grown adults now, and lots of people have their own ideas that I can’t just override by throwing them off the team or threatening to take away a scholarship. Jaguars fans deserve a better level of cover-up than I’ve been providing, and I’m committed to learning and getting better.” At press time, Meyer had hired a former assistant from the Steelers so he could learn how they managed to sweep everything Ben Roethlisberger has done under the rug.
https://www.theonion.com/urban-meyer-st ... 1847802700
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by JazzNU The Internet, and especially Twitter, never forgets
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Dungy hasn't coached in at least five years and why give up a cushy highly paid analyst job?
As for Fisher I've never cared for his approach to the game.
by JazzNU I love Mina, but don't get her piling on to what is apparently a popular thing to do right now in dragging the Steelers. I get that Ben doesn't look good. Noted. He tripped over air. But feeling sorry for the D? I mean, sure, but the same can be said of most defenses on the team in a final year of a HOF QB. I don't remember anyone feeling sorry for the Broncos D in Peyton's final year. Saying, they won a SB doesn't negate that he was a liability all season. And Peyton hadn't played for 17 seasons in Denver and gotten them 2 SB rings, the benching and replacing him is a much more difficult in Pittsburgh.
by ponchi101 Russell WIlson out 6 weeks, after that ugly broken finger. He suffered ligaments damage.
I really don't think the Seahawks can do too much without him. And, for us Fantasy Owners (looking at you, JazzNu), the value of Metcalf and Locket just went down the drain. So long, 3 touchdown/120 yards games.
by JazzNU Not writing off Metcalf just yet, though very sorry about Russ' injury and it might be 8 weeks since he's having surgery. But Geno looked good and Metcalf had a touchdown after he came in, so a wait and see approach from me, not gloom and doom.
by ponchi101 He could not connect with Locket, so it was not that good for me. But sure, Geno has shown some potential in the past.
I have a few other WR's, so I may have some options. I gambled on Michael Thomas, whom I think can have some chemistry with Jameis. But right now, it does not look good for the Seahawks.
Carroll will try to run the ball more. Chris Carson is going to have a lot of touches.
by JTContinental Smith didn't really get an opportunity to connect with Lockett because of the interception--he is a competent backup quarterback, and expect him to be more efficient after 10 days of practice. The season is still hosed, though, especially if Carson continues to sit out with his neck injury.
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JazzNU Some context on what was in the recent emails revealed, from the NYT story. Carl Nassib is a Raider, FYI, so that makes this even worse.
by ptmcmahon Wow...quite a lot worse than they were making it out to be yesterday. On SNF Tirico and Dungy were trying to playing it up like it wasn't a big deal. Of course, Tirico was his play by play man at the time, so that probably didn't mean much.
Good riddance.
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JazzNU ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:16 am
Wow...quite a lot worse than they were making it out to be yesterday. On SNF Tirico and Dungy were trying to playing it up like it wasn't a big deal. Of course, Tirico was his play by play man at the time, so that probably didn't mean much.
Good riddance.
Dungy was disappointing, but not surprising. It didn't go over well.
No one gives a ish what Tirico is saying. I'm surprised he said a damn thing last night. One might think he was trying to vouch for him as a black co-worker, but that can't be. Can't vouch as a black man when you can't admit you're a Black man. He's just Italian. If you're not aware, sadly, this is not a joke.
by ponchi101 That missed 4 & 1 call last night will loom large.
You are 4-1 in the season, look like a serious contender for the SB. But you have to keep pace with Baltimore, who are looking strong, and now you find yourself 4-2, one game behind, and having given the Titans a lot of air.
The cost-benefit was too skewed towards kicking the field goal and trying to win in OT. Some new coaches are too aggressive (and I think McDermont is a good coach).
by JazzNU I don't think they need to truly keep pace with the Ravens. Maybe it'll start to even out, but the Ravens thus far, though very impressive, have been eeking out wins. Now if someone besides Lamar can help the team, maybe that'll change and their wins will start to look like they did against the Chargers.
The Bills, they have the strange loss to the Steelers to start the season, but if we consider that an outlier as most are doing from just being rusty, they've been blowing out their opponents. Yesterday was their first close game. They basically lost it because Josh lost his footing in the grass, but is almost always solid on plays like that. They still play in the AFC East and the Ravens play in the AFC North.
Ravens will be the ones that need to keep pace with the Bills, not vice versa. Not great to lose, but not the end of the world. No one talks about how the Patriots were gifted their playoff spot year after year because of the AFC East, but they were and the Bills have slid into that spot for the foreseeable future.
by ponchi101 That they are making the playoffs is a given. With NE, MIA and NYJ, they can have Allen throw left handed and they will make it.
But I do believe that home field in the NFL is very important. If they are one game behind the Ravens when the playoffs start, it means that extra game, and maybe facing KC. Who will always be able to explode for one game.
I also don't think that this new "GO FOR IT" mentality is totally appropriate. It can cost way too much at times.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:36 pm
I also don't think that this new "GO FOR IT" mentality is totally appropriate. It can cost way too much at times.
Analytics run amok.
by ptmcmahon Pretending overtime is a 50-50 proposition... for that to have been the right call they needed a better than 50% chance to convert on 4th and 1 with Josh Allen. I didn't see an exact statistic on it, but I'm guessing it's more than 50% (Buffalo overall was 83% of 4th down in 2020 for example, and some were more than 4th and 1 I'm sure.) So I think it's quite clearly the right call. If they kick the field goal instead its just as possible the kicker slips like Josh Allen did on the play. Mistakes happen.
People who think analytics are running amok and that it cost too much are probably not remembering all the times where it does work out. The failures are much more noticeable than the successes. If he had converted no one would have been saying they thought it was a mistake. If they had tied it and then lost in overtime, no one would be saying not going for it was a mistake either (except me and the stat heads.)
by ponchi101 But the stats have to take into consideration the end result of the play too. Going for it on 4&1 at the end of the first quarter, on the opposite team's 45 yd line and missing means simply that you gave your opponent good field position. It is a reasonable gamble. Going for it here was basically the game, which was what happened. Failure to complete the play meant 100% chance of losing the game while, as you say, kicking the field goal would have given them 50% chance of winning in OT.
The NFL site actually has the stat. It stands, currently, at 4th down conversion = 3/8. That means that before that last one, it stood at 3/7. Sure, a small sample (because the Bills have been blowing opponents away) but they went for it, with the game on the line, on a 43% chance of making it. Even less than the 50% we agree would have been the chance in OT. Their kicker has made 14/15, for a 93% success rate. Therefore, the FG meant 93% x 50% = 46%, still higher (by a bit) than the 4th down rate.
And I agree. The failures are more memorable than the successes, and if they had scored McDermott would have been hailed as genial. But they didn't and, for example, they now are ranked around 8th in the league in the power rankings while you know that, at 5-1 and with a five game winning streak, they would be top three (Arizona, Baltimore and them, in some order).
I still say that if it comes down to BAL/BUF by the end of the season in some sort of 14/3 vs 13/4 record, and Baltimore gets the bye, this will have cost them too much.
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JazzNU ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:59 pm
People who think analytics are running amok and that it cost too much are probably not remembering all the times where it does work out. The failures are much more noticeable than the successes. If he had converted no one would have been saying they thought it was a mistake. If they had tied it and then lost in overtime, no one would be saying not going for it was a mistake either (except me and the stat heads.)
I don't know what sports news cycle you live in, but if they had gone for it and made it but lost in overtime, all they would've been talking about is "should they have gone for it on 4th and 1 and tried to win in regulation." Completely inaccurate to pretend otherwise, there's over-analysis every single time, they've got 16 hours of TV and radio to fill the next day and that is going to be the focus regardless.
My statement stands. Stats should be but one tool that is used, not the be all and end all it has become and it is well deserved of the criticism it gets.
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ptmcmahon Ok let me rephrase... I can guarantee if they had kicked field goal and lost in overtime, no one HERE would have said they should have gone for it...unless someone else brought it up and I mentioned it
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:21 pm
The NFL site actually has the stat. It stands, currently, at 4th down conversion = 3/8. That means that before that last one, it stood at 3/7. Sure, a small sample (because the Bills have been blowing opponents away) but they went for it, with the game on the line, on a 43% chance of making it. Even less than the 50% we agree would have been the chance in OT. Their kicker has made 14/15, for a 93% success rate. Therefore, the FG meant 93% x 50% = 46%, still higher (by a bit) than the 4th down rate.
Is that just for Buffalo this year? Small sample size and probably not all 4th and 1. I think we both agree there is a much better chance of Allen making a 4th and 1 than 43%
by ponchi101 I like football but I certainly do not know enough to say about Allen making a 4&1 and gauging the stats.
Again, I will only assume the situation. At 4&1, those close to the goal line, the defensive line of the Titans was packed, because, of course, there is no more space behind them. So that was stacked against the Bills. Plus, everybody knows that Allen is a good runner, so I guess that the Titans were very much alert on that play.
The sample is too small to make it statistically significant. For example, had they made it, they would not stand t 4/8 (50%) as opposed to 3/8 (37.5%). I am sure that some people would read the stat wrong and say "wow, a 12.5% difference" when in reality it is only one success/failure differential. In that aspect, you are correct that you would need to look at a longer series.
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ptmcmahon Yeah, I would think the 83% from 2020 a better gauge statistically. Either way, for me it seems (in general, not necessarily this one situation) people playing the "stats cost them that game" card are usually doing it when the stats say to do something aggressive. The NFL is definitely a play it safe league. Much more acceptable to play "not to lose" (ie just kick the field goal) than to "play to win" (ie let your players try to make a play to win and if they don't then you lose.)
Those most famous one was when New England went for it on fourth down and two in their own territory in the fourth quarter. They of course didn't make it and gave Peyton Manning a short field for the winning score. Of course if they had punted it, they are still giving Manning the ball, just with a bigger field - and statistically they still had a good chance to win even with a longer field. So I was immediately good with their decision to go for it even though especially in that case everyone who talked about it after was not. Easy for people to pile on when it doesn't work even if more times than not it's the correct play, in my books at least. A decision shouldn't be considered the wrong one only after it doesn't work out.
And everytime I think of that I think... oh man, I am defending the Patriots!
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ponchi101 ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:38 pm
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Those most famous one was when New England went for it on fourth down and two in their own territory in the fourth quarter. They of course didn't make it and gave Peyton Manning a short field for the winning score. Of course if they had punted it, they are still giving Manning the ball, just with a bigger field - and statistically they still had a good chance to win even with a longer field. So I was immediately good with their decision to go for it even though especially in that case everyone who talked about it after was not. Easy for people to pile on when it doesn't work even if more times than not it's the correct play, in my books at least.
A decision shouldn't be considered the wrong one only after it doesn't work out.
And everytime I think of that I think... oh man, I am defending the Patriots!
Of course, you will have to trust me on this one but, the moment they lined up to go for it I thought "I hope they are only trying to force a hard count, because it will not work".
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ptmcmahon Oh yeah I believe you. Seems a lot of announcers, media, etc will say it's bad after it fails...especially the original New England example.
I will say despite me not liking that he always wants to see the conservative play, Troy Aikman is the one announcer who will immediately say "I don't like this" right away before the play, so I have to give him credit for not waiting to see how it plays out. I also don't think I've seen him agree with a single two point conversion ever, unless you're down by 2 with no time left
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:23 pm
Of course, you will have to trust me on this one but, the moment they lined up to go for it I thought "I hope they are only trying to force a hard count, because it will not work".
I thought they'd get it and still think they would've if Josh hadn't lost his footing like that.
Also, neither defense was stopping much at that point. But even had Josh held his footing, the Titans defense on that one play was better than it had been most of the 4th quarter.
But I still think Josh picks up the half a yard. Score? Maybe not, but the first down.
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ponchi101 Last: guess who had Josh Allen AND Tyler Bass in his FF team, and lost by 6.92 points?
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ptmcmahon Ah, that's why you thought it was a bad idea
by JazzNU Don't let jarring video and a possible concussion fool you into thinking any of that played a part in the dumpster fire performance out of Patrick Mahomes today. He looked awful for 3 and a half quarters before that hit took place.
by ponchi101 And, obviously it is tied to his performance, but Hill and Kelce also were unable to do anything.
Dumpster fire is indeed the word. Even the offensive line was putrid. I would say KC has really fallen from elite status (stating the obvious, I know).
by ti-amie What has happened to that team? I watch the Red Zone but they stayed long enough at one point to say that this years team is really not what anyone expected. And that was before the hit.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:45 am
What has happened to that team? I watch the Red Zone but they stayed long enough at one point to say that this years team is really not what anyone expected. And that was before the hit.
There have been signs that this was going to happen just not quite this bad, but honestly, the football media are Mahomes apologists of the worst order, so objectively critiquing the Chiefs hasn't been high on their list.
The O-line was declining last year. They tried to act like it was about that one player that is a doctor that took the year off to help with fighting covid, but it was never just that. The defense wasn't stopping much last year, and it's obviously even worse this year. I can't remember the exact stat, but it's something along the lines of the Chiefs have only covered their Vegas spread odds once or twice since the beginning of last season. That is just WOW! It's living on the edge. And more of a sign that "experts" shouldn't be that shocked that this was on the horizon.
All it's taken is one spin and throw from Mahomes to Hill to have the football media going all fanboy and forgetting anything they may have said that would resemble criticism, but given it's becoming more glaring now, I'm assuming we'll get more breakdown on what he's doing wrong and adjustments needed. For sure he's forcing the ball too much and entirely too cute entirely too often with the ball. He's also very fast on offense a la Chip Kelly, and that is problematic for defenses as Kelly had to learn the hard way. So we'll see what else is wrong (I think) as the Chiefs odds of making the playoffs continue to drop and actual analysis starts to be done on what's wrong with them.
by JazzNU I love that daughter is not named and neither is the coach because no one knows them well. This is why Jessica was an idiot to have gotten high and mighty when football media referred to her as Terry's daughter. Hasn't been covered since.
by Togtdyalttai Not surprising. It looked bad on the field.
by ponchi101 Indeed, and I say this is not an excuse, but it was also NOT a horse collar tackle. It was on the shoulder.
And somehow the Saints pulled that one out. One good QB performance and they will do fine.
by ponchi101 News that D. Henry may be out for the season with a broken foot. Hard to see the Titans being successful without him.
by Fastbackss Von Miller traded to the Rams
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ti-amie JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:35 pm
Are these season ending injuries? Both ACL and MCL torn sounds serious.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:39 pm
Are these season ending injuries? Both ACL and MCL torn sounds serious.
For sure. The torn ACL on it's own is season ending, let alone adding in the MCL damage.
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ponchi101 ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:39 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:35 pm
Are these season ending injuries? Both ACL and MCL torn sounds serious.
JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:30 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:39 pm
Are these season ending injuries? Both ACL and MCL torn sounds serious.
For sure. The torn ACL on it's own is season ending, let alone adding in the MCL damage.
Season ending and at least a few games into next season. And we know the Saints are down to Siemian as a QB, because T. Hill is also out. Another major blow to one team.
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Togtdyalttai ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:19 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:39 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:35 pm
Are these season ending injuries? Both ACL and MCL torn sounds serious.
JazzNU wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:30 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:39 pm
Are these season ending injuries? Both ACL and MCL torn sounds serious.
For sure. The torn ACL on it's own is season ending, let alone adding in the MCL damage.
Season ending and at least a few games into next season. And we know the Saints are down to Siemian as a QB, because T. Hill is also out. Another major blow to one team.
It used to be a few games into the next season, but some players heal by the beginning of the season now. Maybe it's less likely with the MCL on top of it.
by JazzNU Feels like we're gonna be channeling the NBA while this is sorted out.
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JTContinental https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/325 ... cutors-say
The Raiders have released Henry Ruggs III after he struck a vehicle from behind, killing the driver and her dog. Per this ESPN article, Ruggs had a BAC of .161 and was driving 156 mph at the time of the accident.
by JazzNU That's gotta be complete BS, but I'm sure they'll try to run with it for a bit as they attempt various versions of CYA. There is no way the league considered him unvaccinated when he's maskless on the sidelines and has done every last press conference without a mask and hasn't been following the other rules for unvaccinated. Where are his fines? Where's the enforcement by the team and the league? Lying to get out of this one is going to draw out this sh!tshow. And don't get me wrong, happy to grab the popcorn, but lying to get out of lying rarely ends well.
by JazzNU Also, let's be clear that his covid positive ass did an elaborate John Wick costume for Halloween and was at a party with many of his teammates. There's a practice squad QB with covid, that's following Davante Adams testing positive last week. This has the potential of getting worse in terms of player availability for the Packers.
by ti-amie 156 mph?! Isn't that Lewis Hamilton speed?
Different report
by JazzNU Yes, here's a photo of the cars if you didn't see them.
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ti-amie JazzNU wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 8:53 pm
Now what?
by ponchi101 Ah, that says it all. HOMEOPATHIC. Fairly simple. He took some sugar pills.
How on earth was he allowed to play (sorry, just parroting you, JazzNu)?
About Ruggs. Seems fairly simple too. This is the kind of case that I say no sports organization should get involved in. This is criminal conduct. "Sorry" for the guy (I really don't follow him or know who he is) but let the courts handle it.
Let the league tell its players: "Cases like this, you are on your own".
One life killed, another ruined.
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ptmcmahon No eating popcorn because my QB is once again being a dummy
by ponchi101 Which is the reason why I picked Indy for only 5 points today. Maybe we saw the birth of a great one, because that was impressive.
Then again. Maybe he is football's answer to Chris Isaak.
by JazzNU Poor Jets can't buy a break. Mike looked good out there and next thing you know, getting his hand/arm looked at on the sideline and the team's hope and all their energy went out the window.
by ponchi101 Indeed. On the opposite side of luck: Wentz is starting to look good again. Maybe even tempting for a FF league, as he seems to have regained his floor and dropped the interceptions. Maybe the Colts got a break too.
by ti-amie I can't even believe Rodgers said this for attribution. Well, at least he, like Nicki Minaj's cousin's friend, did his research.
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ptmcmahon ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:55 pm
Indeed. On the opposite side of luck: Wentz is starting to look good again. Maybe even tempting for a FF league, as he seems to have regained his floor and dropped the interceptions. Maybe the Colts got a break too.
You must not have seen that interception last week
by ponchi101 Oh, sure. That was ugly. But he is QB8 in the league, and has been good for 19+ points in all games but one and this week he put on 30. Better than a few other options out there. And I am saying only in case your QB goes down and you need to replace him. He is the highest ranked QB not yet taken.
by ti-amie
I just needed a minute
by ponchi101 Ver good example of "When smart people believe weird things". He has been reported as being very smart, but then he is obviously one of those confused people that are "smart" yet do not understand basic things.
by ptmcmahon If (and this is a big if) Love does well today…. Is it perhaps not impossible team moves on. I’m getting the same feeling I got in off season…just hoping for no news.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:11 am
Ver good example of "When smart people believe weird things". He has been reported as being very smart, but then he is obviously one of those confused people that are "smart" yet do not understand basic things.
Aaron is smart, sure. But Aaron thinks of himself as the smartest guy in the room, that's been clear for well over a decade. And given the many, many, many A-A-Ron fanboys in the media, few have challenged him over the years, only adding to his ego and feeding into how smart he thinks of himself. The adoration has been off the charts for a very long time, and it has never just been about him playing football. That his ego has gotten big enough for him to think he could interpret so-called scientific data on par with a PhD or an MD, is not surprising in the least. Nor is him being in bed with the likes of Joe Rogan. Him believing conspiracy theories and new age BS isn't new, it's just the first time it's blown up big enough for people to not ignore it.
by JTContinental Russell has been cleared to play Sunday against the Packers
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JazzNU Kareem came for Aaron too. It's on the longer side (though worth reading) but if you don't want to read the entire thing, I've added a couple of screenshots people posted of their favorite parts. The romance writer part is my personal fave.
by ponchi101 Kareem is mandatory reading. Excellent statement.
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ti-amie I agree that the romance writer line is very good.
Also:
“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
― Mark Twain
by JazzNU Cupcake fines handed out to the Packers and Rodgers. NFL going light doesn't seem like it will go well at all, and certainly won't make this story go away. The teams that got fined last year and those that have had to strictly follow the protocols are going to be pissed.
by ponchi101 It is the kind of thing that takes away any credibility from this club of billionaires. Rodgers should have been handed a suspension of at least one game (other then the one he missed due to C19) and a 6 figures fine. I am fine with the Packers' fine if they had, in turn, fined Rodgers due to his actions.
But then they fine CeeDee Lamb for his socks being too low. It is ridiculous.
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ptmcmahon Socks being too low is contagious too right?
by JazzNU Hilarious that this includes a photo of him wearing a Patriots uniform.
by JazzNU ^^ Give the absolute BS coming out of the Panthers in the off-season and at the beginning of the season diminishing Cam Newton's time as a Panther and really just flat out telling lies about his time there, this is a healthy slice of humble pie being swallowed at the Panthers front office right now.
by JazzNU The rich get richer. They did say they were all in.
by ptmcmahon Not sure that really helps them. Cooper Krupp had been having a great year and the other receivers doing fine too. I see this as much more likely to blow up in their face if he turns out to be his usual distraction self. But sometimes being on a winning team does wonders for a persons behaviour.
by ponchi101 Uhm... You have Kupp, Woods, Anderson and... excuse me, but what do the Rams need OBJ for? They are loaded at the position.
I mean it. I do not understand it.
by JazzNU Oh it helps. And OBJ has never been a TO type of problem, that's always been a media narrative and nothing else. It's why so many were wearing Free OBJ shirts around the league last week, other players like him a lot, including his teammates. The Rams were able to land OBJ because players helped with recruiting him.
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ptmcmahon Tell that to the kicker practice nets
Everything I read about him leaving the Giants made it seem like he was a distraction for the team at least - for example:
https://sny.tv/articles/odell-beckham-j ... s-receiver
And it didn't sound to me like Cleveland stay went well and he wanted out right away. Don't think the media made that up - probably exaggerated a bit of course...
https://apnews.com/article/nfl-sports-m ... 009c9246cb
It at least reminds me of TO's situation - wanting out of teams, not liking his QBs.
I still think it doesn't help, but time will tell if it's more of a TO ending, or a Randy Moss ending.
by JazzNU Real locker room cancer here. Players on multiple teams reached out to him in this manner FYI.
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JazzNU ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:07 am
Tell that to the kicker practice nets
Everything I read about him leaving the Giants made it seem like he was a distraction for the team at least - for example:
And it didn't sound to me like Cleveland stay went well and he wanted out right away. Don't think the media made that up - probably exaggerated a bit of course...
It at least reminds me of TO's situation - wanting out of teams, not liking his QBs.
That tells me you fell for the media hype, which is understandable, there was a lot of it.
Again, if all you're going to do is follow the media narrative, you'll always believe OBJ has been a locker room problem. But when most players aren't saying anything to back up that narrative, you need to step back and question why. This has been an intentional framing of OBJ. It's been crystal clear from almost the start that it was occurring. It's just disappointing that it has continued because in large part, no one with a big enough voice in sports media has taken a step back to examine the situation.
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ptmcmahon I’m also following what I saw on tv. He frequently looked unhappy and often was a distraction in games. I’m sure some of it is media blowing stuff out of control but the media didn’t invent him throwing temper tantrums on the sidelines, wrestling with Josh Norman, getting in fights with kicker practice nets etc. I can’t remember him ever looking happy in a Cleveland uniform. It’s not all media hype… like usual the truth is somewhere in between.
And regardless I don’t know how much it actually helps the Rams. My prediction is it messes with the chemistry they’ve had this year… but time will tell. We’ve all been showing how well we can predict what happens in the NFL this year.
And of course his new teammates are going to say after they wanted him to come… that story also sounds like some media exaggeration to me
And what were they going to say after Ramsey went to "the receivers room" - no thanks?
by ponchi101 The impression I get from him is that he needs to be the #1 option for the WR's. And there is no way that happens with the Rams. Kupp is #1, Woods and Anderson rotate at #2. So OBJ will be a reliable #3, but he is not going to get 12 targets per game.
I don't know if he will be glad with that.
by ptmcmahon Well… all of a sudden the move definitely looks a lot better…apparently Woods tore his ACL and is out for the season. My stance on how the OBJ move will work out has definitely changed a bit now.
by ptmcmahon Rodgers active tomorrow. I’m excited as a Packers fan but embarrassed about it. Interesting to see how road crowds react.
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ponchi101 ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:54 pm
Well… all of a sudden the move definitely looks a lot better…apparently Woods tore his ACL and is out for the season. My stance on how the OBJ move will work out has definitely changed a bit now.
Indeed. OBK moves immediately to #1.5, together with Anderson.
I had Woods in my FF. So, in need of a WR, I just picked Anderson. Watch him got 3-15-0 tomorrow. Kupp will go 11-132-2, OBJ will get on TD too.
by JTContinental I will not link to the video because it is very disturbing, but former Rams/Jets RB Zac Stacy has a domestic violence warrant out in Florida for his arrest, after videos of him "allegedly" savagely beating the mother of his child. Reports also say that he may be on the run in Tennessee.
by ponchi101 Why is this not surprising?
by ponchi101 It goes from the STAPLES CENTER, which was one lame name to follow the Hollow name of the L.A. FORUM, to CRYPTO.COM center.
At least at Staples you can buy useful things.
I still don't get the crypto thing. And offices in Malta?
by JTContinental And yet that name is still better than Climate Pledge Arena
by ponchi101 And where on Earth is that place? You are right.
by JTContinental That’s the former home of the Supersonics and current home of the Kraken. Jeff Bezos is to thank for the name
by ti-amie I've yet to be convinced that crypto is anything but a scam.
by ponchi101 Which makes you wonder: when the scam goes down (and it has to, otherwise it would not be a scam), what will happen to all of us that did participate in it and will be asked to bail out all the mega-corporations that will be holding the bag?
by JTContinental Chris Carson is done for the season, opting for surgery
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ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:01 pm
Which makes you wonder: when the scam goes down (and it has to, otherwise it would not be a scam), what will happen to all of us that did participate in it and will be asked to bail out all the mega-corporations that will be holding the bag?
Do you mean to say those of us who didn't participate? To me it's a Ponzi scheme. Those running the scam will get out while the getting is good. The same people who pay their taxes every year will be footing the bill.
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KLow23 was happy vikings won that cos i was banging on about Grreen Bay run D since last season. Cook didnt destroy them but 88 tough yards and important TD to put them ahead early.
https://www.sportsbetting3.com/nfl/super-bowl-betting I wouldnt put any money on packers with this D.
by ponchi101 And it was a very good game. Maybe Cousins has turned the corner and is become a very good QB. Not elite, but dependable.
by JTContinental OBJ will be paid by the Rams in Bitcoin
by ponchi101 Well. A good test of how smart he is.
(I would accept Bitcoin and trade immediately).
by ptmcmahon And no... that isn't a joke.
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ponchi101 ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:17 pm
And no... that isn't a joke.
Actually, it is. And a really good one!
(To the tune of Depeche Mode's BLASPHEMOUS RUMORS, the part of "Cause I think that God has a sick sense of humor")
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ti-amie Vikings player Everson Griffen in disturbing incident at home
Player reports he fired weapon, asks agent for help
By Stephen Knox
Yesterday 2:01PM
Everson Griffen Photo: Getty Images
According to the Minnesota Vikings and Minnetrista, Minn., police, there has been an ongoing mental health situation at defensive end Everson Griffen’s home since early Wednesday morning.
It began with a disturbing Instagram story from Griffen early Wednesday morning. He was holding a gun with his eyes very wide saying that people were trying to kill him. He also posted some text messages in which he repetitively asks his agent for help because people are trying to kill him. All the posts have been deleted.
Then, just after 3 a.m, per a Minnetrista police news release, Griffen called authorities and said that he had fired a weapon in the house at an intruder and no one was injured. The police responded and could not find anyone. Since around 7 a.m. there have been police and mental health professionals from the Vikings at Griffen’s home. The Vikings confirmed that members of the organization are at his home along with law enforcement. As of the time that this article was published there has been no update on whether or not Griffen has exited his home.
https://deadspin.com/vikings-player-eve ... t=deadspin
by ponchi101 Well, Ms Kristi E beat... nobody to that thought. It makes no sense to NOT suspend Rodgers when the man said he was "immunized", simply meaning he was full of s**t.
Do they ever realize the optics of what they do?
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ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:34 pm
Well, Ms Kristi E beat... nobody to that thought. It makes no sense to NOT suspend Rodgers when the man said he was "immunized", simply meaning he was full of s**t.
Do they ever realize the optics of what they do?
Obviously not.
by ptmcmahon Not that I agree with it if they are doing it..is there anything they are going to hide behind as an excuse? I guess because Rodgers didn’t falsify a document ?
by JTContinental I also don't think Rodger's unvaccinated status was kept secret from the league as he clearly tried to get an exception, just misrepresented to the public
by ponchi101 The tweet above says "by pretending he was vaccinated when he truly wasn't". That describes Rodgers too. He claimed he was "immunized", which was hogwash.
by JTContinental It does, but that's just an editorial comment with one word from the NFL announcement quoted out of it. Maybe I'm being obtuse, but I think the difference between the punishment was that Brown tried to pass off a fake card to the league and was caught, while the NFL was fully aware that Rodgers wasn't properly vaccinated. He can lie about it to reporters and gen pop all he wants, but not his employers.
I'm from Minnesota, so believe me that I'm no Aaron Rodgers fan or apologist, but I think he would have gotten the same punishment if the NFL had been misled that he was vaxxed.
by ponchi101 Ok, thanks for that clarification. I actually like the Packers (not MY team, but I don't mind them), but I find it hard to believe that Rodgers is not getting preferential treatment. I understand the reality: the Bucs without Brown still make the playoffs. The packers without Rodgers come in as the 7th seed, at best (because they already have won so many games). It would be a huge change. Still, Rodgers maybe did not lie about his status to his employers, but he certainly did not follow league policy. Still murky to me.
by ptmcmahon It feels icky either way. Basically Rodgers is ok because he “misled” instead of “lied.” And we all know which one of us regularly wears his Rodgers jersey.
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ponchi101 Mike Vrabel walks out of a conference simply because of the questions asked:
Titans coach Mike Vrabel runs out of interview after questions about new LB Zach Cunningham
Notice the nature of the questions. They ALL are football related; nothing about gossip, or other possible subjects. Directly tied to football.
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Is this some sort of trend nowadays, in which the media is the de-facto enemy? This is what happens when you have that narrative of fake news. If you get to the point in which head coaches simply decide to not even answer questions that are totally reasonable for the sport, watch out.
And I hate it when I sound like this but, believe me, you don't want to live in a country where you don't have reliable media.
by ti-amie
So this Urban Meyer seems nice. What they get away with in college must be horrific.
by ponchi101 And the Jags passed over at least 10 reasonable assistant coaches to get this jerk.
I have said it before. The coach is NOT the most important person in a sports organization. It is the GM and the owner, if that person is the meddling type. Who was the person that hired Meyer.
by KLow23 not nfl news but travis hunter best CB in decades choses deion sanders jackson u over georgia and florida state. crazy to watch his highlights as a 2 way player. wierd OSU and Bama werent involved.
by ponchi101 So, will the Jags be the one smart team now that will hire Bienemy?
I don't think so, as Khan probably will hire another one of his pals, but Bienemy would be one of the top choices for a real football organization.
by JazzNU Don't see Eric being the Jags hire. Doug Pederson is a name I'm seeing already, and he mostly sat out last season for an opportunity this year according to previous reports. Jim Caldwell seems very likely to emerge as a candidate, polar opposite reputation from Urban and a great history with QBs. Not clear on if Josh McDaniels has a deal with the Patriots to be the next head coach once Bill retires, but if not, then him for sure.
My guess? Don't be surprised if former Jaguars QB Byron Leftwich emerges as a top candidate.
by patrick Don't let Tampa fans read that about Leftwich?
by ponchi101 A really entertaining game last night, and the Chargers' head coach already said that he would go for all those non-converted 4-down again. Because the analytics say so.
Now, I know I am not hired by the NFL or NBA or MLB to run their stats, but they miss one point over and over: the analytics tell you to go for fourth down, but they do not take into consideration the Bayesian part of the numbers: sure, going for 4th down means you will make it on some percentage of times, but the question is bigger: HOW MANY teams that went for fourth down once in a game decided by one score or less WON the game? That went for it TWICE? That went for it ONCE MORE than the other team?
It is not just what percentage of times you made the fourth down, it is how many times that made you win/lose the game.
by ponchi101 If that is what is happening to the teams, time to do some research in what is happening as a consequence of playing in packed stadia. Some of those games must be super spreaders.
by ponchi101 For the second time in the season, Harbaugh goes for two instead of tying the game with a FG, in the last play of the game.
I don't care what the analytics say. The reality is that they are now out of the playoffs.
I know, it was the Packers and you don't want to give the ball to A. Rodgers in overtime, but at least that is a 50% proposal. The stats for 4& goal at the 2 can be much better (if they are).
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ptmcmahon And if they get those two yards twice they are tied for first in the AFC. And no one would be mentioning analytics being the reason they won… it’s only brought up when teams lose as a result.
by ponchi101 I say it is brought up when coaches go for fourth and short with the game on the line. The Bears yesterday were at the opposite end of that problem. They were down by 14 with very little time left, so going for it on 4th made sense. The game was already almost lost, so nobody is questioning Nagy on those decisions (he is being questioned on other calls, for sure).
I know this is confirmation bias at its best, but I can recall, just for this year, three situations in which teams went for 4 and short, or a 2pt conversion, instead of tying the game: two by the Ravens, one by the Bills. Both teams are hovering around the seventh spot for the play offs. I can't recall how many times teams have gone for 2 instead of tying, or kicked the FG to tie and won in OT.
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ptmcmahon Exactly - that proves my point. When people go with the analytics and it works out, no one brings it up or says that is why they won. It is only used as an excuse when it backfires... never praised when it works.
Part of the reason is, usually when it doesn't work out it clearly causes the loss - like Baltimore going for two. If they had made the two point conversion, it's hard to say the "analytical" choice was right - we can never know what would have been result if they just kicked the point and tied it. We don't know if Green Bay marches down field in 40 seconds and wins it with a field goal - or who wins the coin toss in overtime. Unfortunately it's only real clear when it winds up costing you
by ponchi101 My point being: it is NOT working. I can give three examples of 4th and game not working. It is too much of a risk.
Yes, we do not know if Green Bay would have marched down the field in 40 seconds and kick a FG to win the game, because they did not need to do so. They took a knee and won, because the Ravens did not force them to do anything else.
I can't recall which game this week was lost by the team that went for it three times within field go range, and did not convert any time. Had they kicked the FG's, that's 9 points there. And they lost by 7, meaning it also was not worth it.
I find it too risky, specially in a league with 17 games. Every game counts for way too much.
Serious here: have there been any games this season in which a team went for it on 4th and game, and the team made it? I can't think of one.
by ti-amie I remember an old school coach saying in a situation where you can get points always take the points. I didn't see the game in question but that would've been the best thing for the team that gambled and lost.
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ptmcmahon ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:49 pm
My point being: it is NOT working. I can give three examples of 4th and game not working. It is too much of a risk.
Yes, we do not know if Green Bay would have marched down the field in 40 seconds and kick a FG to win the game, because they did not need to do so. They took a knee and won, because the Ravens did not force them to do anything else.
I can't recall which game this week was lost by the team that went for it three times within field go range, and did not convert any time. Had they kicked the FG's, that's 9 points there. And they lost by 7, meaning it also was not worth it.
I find it too risky, specially in a league with 17 games. Every game counts for way too much.
Serious here: have there been any games this season in which a team went for it on 4th and game, and the team made it? I can't think of one.
My point is - when it does work, the win isn't credited to analytics.
As you can say you can't remember a single case of where it worked. Whether or not we agree how often it works, surely you can agree than it must be higher than say... 0% right?
The problem is ... off top of my head I can't think of any other good examples of where it did work either
I'm going to have to go find some.
Although the funny thing, starting my research the first thing I'm reading is.. Harbaugh's big analytical mistake ... was NOT going for two after the first TD made it 31-23.
Apparently that was a "no-brainer." "That way if they’re successful, they know they can eventually win it with a TD + PAT, but if they fail, they can still tie the game with a TD + 2PAT at the end." Sounds like neither side of the coin is happy with him! For the record his statement was that his decision to go for 2 at end of game... was a gut feeling decision - whether or not we believe it.
I'll have to find some examples where it wins a game. Maybe tonight!
by ponchi101 I read that same analysis, and that makes a bit more sense to me.
Sure, as I said above, I may be guilty of confirmation bias; easy to remember the examples I mentioned because they literally sealed the outcome of the game.
And sure, we agree that the chances that it will work are more than 0% Maybe as high as 40%. But we also worked the math before. You have to see: YOUR success percentage, then THEIR success percentage (how many times they stop a 4th down). Assume 40%, together. But a FG is usually 95%, and then you get 50% of winning the coin toss and some percentage of how many times you score in any given drive. If you are facing Nick Mullen, you should feel good that they will not get a TD, and have a reasonable but not incredible chance to score a TD. If you are going against Brady, Mahones, Rogers or some other top offense, the numbers change.
It has got to be figured before the game starts. That we assume we can also agree. But right now, I say the risk out weights the rewards.
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ptmcmahon Figure out before the game? Well no way you could figure out every choice before the game... with near infinite possible scores, time left, injury situations (especially kicker injuries) etc. At best you can have a generic idea of what you would want to do in what situation.
The other game you mentioned was the LA-KC game, where three times LA could've kicked field goal but didn't. In that case way too hard to decide how that affected the game - yes they lost by 6, but that was in overtime. The first non field goal attempt was in quarter one...hard to say what would've happened differently the rest of the game if they kick that. Kansas City may not have had to go for two when they did...and end of game they may have played better or worse considering they would have been down by more than one score. Can't just say LA win for sure by adding 9 points from field goals they didn't take.
I'll see if I can find any good examples this weekend coming up where analytics turns out to work out. Risks may outweigh rewards...hard to say since all we can both think of is when it doesn't work
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ponchi101 ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:21 pm
Figure out before the game? Well no way you could figure out every choice before the game... with near infinite possible scores, time left, injury situations (especially kicker injuries) etc. At best you can have a generic idea of what you would want to do in what situation.
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You would need at least some heuristics for what to do. "If we can tie the game with less than one minute, or go for the win, what to do". Every choice is indeed impossible, but:
Down by seven within the two minutes warning, and you score. Tie or go for two.
Down by 15 with 5 minutes. When do we go for the two point conversion (the analysis you read): first score, or second.
Scenarios like these can be talked before. I guess coaches do, in the same sense that I gather that when you have your two minutes warning you choose which players go on the field, but depending on being down or up.
by ponchi101 I know this sounds callous but:
The problem is that all these players are young and in very good shape. They are, one has to admit, a low risk population. Maybe one of those 320 Lbs linesmen, if they catch C19, will end up in dire conditions, but Beasley has a good chance of not suffering serious symptoms. So, it will only fuel their position. "See? I got it, and nothing happened to me!".
It is the same problem I have with my friend N. His son, 28, non-smoker and a regular athlete, caught it (they all did) and N gave him ivermectin and "you see? He is doing fine!". The statistics escape them.
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ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:07 pm
I know this sounds callous but:
The problem is that all these players are young and in very good shape. They are, one has to admit, a low risk population. Maybe one of those 320 Lbs linesmen, if they catch C19, will end up in dire conditions, but Beasley has a good chance of not suffering serious symptoms. So, it will only fuel their position. "See? I got it, and nothing happened to me!".
It is the same problem I have with my friend N. His son, 28, non-smoker and a regular athlete, caught it (they all did) and N gave him ivermectin and "you see? He is doing fine!". The statistics escape them.
I wrote a long rant about how much damage Tiny did with his initial non response to the pandemic. I'm putting it in the Covid thread so I won't hijack this thread.
by ponchi101 Either a great plan from the Titans last night, or a really dumb one from the 49'ers.
Your star TE, on a tear for the last three games, goes for two catches in the first drive I(which ends in a TD) and then is your target for a second TD, which was intercepted.
And then he disappears from the plan. I don't know if Voegl took him out or Shanahan took him out, but the end result was a 49'ers loss. In a game that they needed.
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Togtdyalttai ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 3:23 pm
Either a great plan from the Titans last night, or a really dumb one from the 49'ers.
Your star TE, on a tear for the last three games, goes for two catches in the first drive I(which ends in a TD) and then is your target for a second TD, which was intercepted.
And then he disappears from the plan. I don't know if Voegl took him out or Shanahan took him out, but the end result was a 49'ers loss. In a game that they needed.
You're right, but Jimmy G also really helped to get the Titans into the game with the interceptions he threw, which both seemed like plain bad decisions to me.
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ptmcmahon There… I have my example. Down 24-23 after scoring a td with one minute left, the Bears went for two and got it … win 25-24.
Now of course if they just kick and tie it … who knows what happens. This is why it’s harder to remember examples where going for it wins it… but very easy to see when it costs ya.
As a stats/numbers guy, one of my favourite books of all time was a sports stats analysis book - for example what effect does icing the kicker have (turned out to make only a 0.01% difference and it was in favour of kicker.) I would love if they did an updated version an analyzed these going for two scenarios. I think they did have a chapter on going for it in fourth down actually and how often it is the right choice.
And the funny tie it all together thing? It was co-written by Jon Werthiem.
by ponchi101 I was thinking about the same yesterday, when I saw the Bears beat the Seahawks.
But that is also one thing that we were talking about. Both the Bears and Seahawks are playing for nothing by now. Going for two meant... win or lose one game. Their seasons are over already, while my point was that for the Ravens it helped make their season much harder.
Notice the Bills yesterday. They went for it on 4th and short repeatedly, and made it. But is was early in the game, not late in a close match. Maybe I did not make myself clear. I agree that you will, at times, be forced to go for it (you are down, 20 secs on the clock, and need a score). There will be times when you can afford the luxury (early in the game, score is tied, sole loss may be giving your opponent good field position). For the two times the Ravens went for it, the gamble was too much. And now a promising season is almost over, and if they had won just one of those games, it would not be.
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ptmcmahon And if they had completed the two two yard plays (one of which was a surprisingly bad throw with receiver open) they’d be in contention for number one seed still - where as if they just kick and go to overtime… who knows what happens…. They may lose those games anyway.
Your stance is clear I’m just more leaning on the other side of the argument. Like usual the real correct answer is somewhere in the middle.
Don’t say my example doesn’t count because it was two bad teams
I watched all weekend for a good example like that.
by ponchi101 You example counts. Whatever I or somebody might say, the Bears went for two AND the game, and made it. Total data point.
by ponchi101 Kirk Cousins goes into C19 protocol, because he is unvaccinated.
The Vikings season is over if they lose to the Packers. Great timing, and a clear lesson on how to be a leader.
by ptmcmahon Antonio Brown just took of his jersey and threw his undershirt and gloves into crowd… and left the game on just his pants. In the middle of a Tampa Bay offensive draw. It rivals the most bizarre thing I can remember seeing.
The funny reaction for me … on our longest running fantasy league, now in year 19… one of our original four owners has still never won and is playing Brown. I said even Brown doesn’t want to see him win.
by ptmcmahon 31-31. Less than minute left. Cincinnati fourth down on the one … Cincinnati go for it twice! Penalties on both plays but man even I was saying take the field goal!
by ti-amie Cincy made the FG.
And what about Brady pimp slapping the Jets?
by ponchi101 A. Brown is simply childish. Really, you are down to the Jets and you walk away? How unprofessional can that be?
by ti-amie Childish? He's a spoiled brat who has never had to face consequences for his selfishness. and self centered attitude. As the expression goes FaFo.
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Fastbackss ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:08 pm
31-31. Less than minute left. Cincinnati fourth down on the one … Cincinnati go for it twice! Penalties on both plays but man even I was saying take the field goal!
The end of this game was surreal.
by ti-amie One blue checked NFL media source is saying Brown may be suffering from CTE.
A fan source is saying that Brown needed two more catches to get a million dollar bonus based on yards and that his being benched upset him. That would explain him flashing two fingers as he exited the field.
If Brady has his back Brady would've found a way to get him those two catches. Throwing a tantrum when the game really wasn't over was childish.
by ptmcmahon Well it was childish but there has always been signs of mental struggles, so I don’t want to presume too much. Hopefully he can get some help and doesn’t become another example of the NFL /CTE machine.
Although a nfl player who has made millions missing out on another million isn’t going to win sympathy points for me.
by patrick Two catches for Brown would have meant an extra 333,333.
333,333 for meeting a yards threshold
333,333 for meeting a TD threshold.
by ponchi101 But WHY did he just walk out? I was not watching that game.
by ponchi101 That last clip is insane. Talk about burning bridges with the entire league.
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ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:51 am
That last clip is insane. Talk about burning bridges with the entire league.
Someone on the Sunday Night Football crew said "but he's so talented someone will hire him". And that is the problem.
by ponchi101 Uhm, don't know. You can be extremely talented but how can you convince a team now that you will be there at critical times after you pull this stunt?
This is not Josh Gordon, unable to control a substance dependency (although fortunately, he is back). This is somebody walking out on his team at a crucial moment. I wonder which GM will take him in.
by Owendonovan Aside from Evans, didn't seem anyone on the Bucs tried to keep him on the field. Telling. I expect to find him in the news again for something unsavory. I hope he gets the help he needs, if there is any, before it's too late.
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ptmcmahon ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:43 am
But WHY did he just walk out? I was not watching that game.
Depends on who you believe. Arians claimed he was trying to get him back into the game and refused to go in. Other rumours say he was benched and then left because he was mad about possibly missing those bonuses.
Either way a sad situation with someone who obviously is in need of some help… and a surreal scene in the game.
by Deuce Does he actually have any bridges left to burn?
by ptmcmahon No, but for talented players teams are often willing to build new ones to be burnt.
by Togtdyalttai He might be talented but he's getting up there in age for a WR. He's probably too radioactive for any team to take a risk on now because the reward is not what it was 3 years ago.
by JTContinental If that was Russell's last home game with Seattle, that's the way to go out.
by ponchi101 He just showed that the one that has to leave if Carroll. IF you let Russ wing it, see what happens. But no, Pete wants to "establish" the run when he does not have a running back that can do that. So he gives his RB's the ball 25 times, for 60 yards.
I like Carroll. He seems like a good person. But he has not changed his coaching and he seems, to me, unable to understand that he has a very powerful trio up there that he needs to use.
Other than that: what you said. That is the Russell we need to see.
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ptmcmahon No surprise but the last week of the season is my favorite week of the year... love all the scenario figuring out.
My favorite scenario has to be Baltimore's one. They need to win, need the Raiders to win, Indy to lose, and then... they also need Miami to lose as they only win the tiebreaker if Miami (who are eliminated) doesn't make it a four way Dolphins-Colts-Chargers-Ravens tie.
Also, just saw that four teams are still alive for the AFC bye. Funniest one there is New England - they have all the tiebreakers to get the bye if there is a 3/4 way tie... but don't have the tiebreaker over Buffalo to win the division.
Also, the Chargers - Raiders game might not be a complete win in and in, lose and out game. If Indy and Pittsburgh both lose, the Raiders will make the playoffs win or lose. Regardless it is must win for the Chargers no matter what.
The NFC is annoyingly simple this year!
by ptmcmahon I always love hearing announcers talking about teams playoff chances but referring to some single game results as impossible… as if there aren’t 2-3 major upsets every week. Last Monday night was especially hilarious with the announcers every five minutes mentioning that there was almost no chance at all Jacksonville could beat Indy.
by Togtdyalttai Like Ptmcmahon, I love the last week of the regular season. This Chargers-Raiders game has been a barrel of fun. I've been rooting for a tie because I prefer both teams to the Steelers. The fact that it's come within 5 minutes of a tie which would send both teams to the playoffs is madness.
by ponchi101 It has been awesome. And yes, either team is better then the Steelers. But it won't be.
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ptmcmahon That may have been the most entertaining and crazy day of football I can ever remember.
But what I will remember? Why the hell does Staley call that timeout ? I had already started typing a text to
My Steelers fan brother to make fun of him.
Edit - his excuse was that they didn’t have the right defense on the field …
Meanwhile Oakland’s coach admitted they were talking about the tie before the Chargers made them run another play to setup the field goal.
by Fastbackss I read that the Jacksonville win + SNF tie was a 700-1 liability to Vegas (the books not the Raiders) - to the tune of 1M - so they may be offering some upgrades to Staley
by ptmcmahon I'm reading million"s" - but can't found out exactly how many.
by ptmcmahon 14 seconds left and no time outs and Dallas run it.
I just don’t understand how NFL coaches and players can make decisions like this. (Forget if it was a designed run of if Dak took off.)
Then they decide not to give the ball to ref to spot it. Is knowledge of the rules not a necessity for being an NFL player?
by ponchi101 Totally puzzling. Why run it? They were being able to get close enough for the Hail Mary, but, as you say, it seems that knowledge of the rules is an optional skill.
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ptmcmahon Was like the kickoff last week where I was yelling at the tv for player to step out of bounds before touching the ball. If I know the rules well enough to yell them at the players (from my couch
) why can't the players?
by Fastbackss It looked like a designed play to me...probably to get a higher probability shot at the end zone after the spike.
I wonder if he went 5 yards or so too far.
by ptmcmahon I'd think two shots to end zone would have been better than one shot just ten yards closer. And if that was the design he definitely went down too late. In some post game analysis I also heard "18 seconds" was the magic time where you would have had enough time to do that and pull off the spike anyway. So definitely a bit of an error.
by ponchi101 That has got to be one of the worst losses ever, for Buffalo or anybody else.
You are up by 3 with 0:17 left. You allow the FG, and then KC scores a TD like in, 30 seconds?
That defense has got to feel bad. Awful, really.
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ptmcmahon The funny thing is you could have almost said the same thing for KC, just with a little more time left, if they had lost
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ptmcmahon If you could have asked me my ideal things that would happen during playoffs that would probably be #2 behind the Pack winning Super Bowl
by ponchi101 Seems it is not totally sure.
by
ti-amie I just recently realized that the Joe Burrows on the field now is this guy. I told y'all sometimes I'm a little slow.
by ponchi101 That is a major upset. I don't know enough about football to ask whether it is time to re-think Andy Reid's system.
by Togtdyalttai I think if he wants to be in the AFC, the South is surely the weakest division. The Colts would seem to be a team where he could win right away, though I don't think I've heard any such rumors.
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ti-amie Read Tom Brady's retirement announcement
Updated 11:33 AM ET, Tue February 1, 2022
(CNN)Seven-time Super Bowl champion Tom Brady officially announced his retirement from the NFL on Tuesday.
The 44-year-old, arguably the greatest NFL quarterback of all time, announced the news on Instagram. Below is a full transcript of his statement:
I have always believed the sport of football is an "all-in" proposition - if a 100% competitive commitment isn't there, you won't succeed, and success is what I love so much about our game. There is a physical, mental, and emotional challenge EVERY single day that has allowed me to maximize my highest potential. And I have tried my best these past 22 years. There are no shortcuts to success on the field or in life.
This is difficult for me to write, but here it goes: I am not going to make that competitive commitment anymore. I have loved my NFL career, and now it is time to focus my time and energy on other things that require my attention.
I've done a lot of reflecting the past week and have asked myself difficult questions. And I am so proud of what we have achieved. My teammates, coaches, fellow competitors, and fans deserve 10% of me, but right now, it's best I leave the field of play to the next generation of dedicated and committed athletes.
To my Bucs teammates the past two years, I love you guys, and I have loved going to battle with you. You have dug so deep to challenge yourself, and it inspired me to wake up every day and give you my best. I am always here for you guys and want to see you continue to push yourselves to be your best. I couldn't be happier with what we accomplished together.
To all the Bucs fans, thank you. I didn't know what to expect when I arrived here, but your support and embrace have enriched my life and that of my family. I have been honored to play for such a passionate and fun fan base. What a Krewe!!!
To the city of Tampa and the entire Tampa-St. Petersburg region, thank you. It has been wonderful to be a resident of such a fun place to live. I want to be invited to our next boat parade!
To the Glazer family, thank you for taking a chance on me and supporting me. I know I was demanding at times, but you provided everything we needed to win, and your ownership was everything a player could ask for.
To Jason Licht, thank you for your daily support and friendship - I will never forget it. I had never been through free agency, and I had some trepidation about how we could achieve success. Your leadership gave me confidence, and I will always be grateful.
To my head coach Bruce Arians, thank you for putting up with me! Your firm leadership and guidance were ideal. There is no way we could have had success without your experience, intuition, and wisdom. I am very grateful.
To all the Bucs coaches, my sincere thanks for all the hard work, dedication, and discipline that goes into creating a winning team. I have learned so much from all of you and will value the relationships we have.
To every single Bucs staffer and employee, thank you. Each of you is critically important, and I was greeted with a smile every day. That means so much to me. Your work is made up of long hours and hard tasks, but please know I see each and every one of you. Thank you so much.
To Alex Guerrero, thank you. I could never have made every Sunday without you; it's that simple. Your dedication to your craft and our friendship and brotherhood are immeasurable. We have an unbreakable bond, and I love you.
To Don Yee and Steve Dubin, thank you. You have been with me every step of the way since I left the University of Michigan and before I entered the league. What a journey it's been, and I couldn't do it without you.
To my parents and entire family (and extended family of countless friends), I love you and thank you for your never-ending support and love. I could never have imagined the time and energy you have given for me the past 30 years in football. I can never repay you. And just know I love you so much.
And lastly to my wife, Gisele, and my children Jack, Benny and Vivi. You are my inspiration. Our family is my greatest achievement. I always came off the field and home to the most loving and supportive wife who has done EVERYTHING for our family to allow me to focus on my career. Her selflessness allowed me to reach new heights professionally, and I am beyond words what you mean to me and our family. Te amo amor da minha vida (heart emoji)
My playing career has been such a thrilling ride, and far beyond my imagination, and full of ups and downs. When you're in it every day, you really don't think about any kind of ending. As I sit here now, however, I think of all the great players and coaches I was privileged to play with and against - the competition was fierce and deep, JUST HOW WE LIKE IT. But the friendships and relationships are just as fierce and deep. I will remember and cherish these memories and re-visit them often. I feel like the luckiest person in the world.
The future is exciting. I'm fortunate to have cofounded incredible companies like @autograph.io @bradybrand @tb12sports that I am excited to continue to help build and grow, but exactly what my days will look like will be a work-in-progress. As I said earlier, I am going to take it day by day. I know for sure I want to spend a lot of time giving to others and trying to enrich other people's lives, just as so many have done for me.
With much love, appreciation, and gratitude,
Tom
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/01/us/tom-b ... index.html
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ptmcmahon ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:24 pm
That is a major upset. I don't know enough about football to ask whether it is time to re-think Andy Reid's system.
Two straight super Bowls, and an AFC Championship overtime loss? I don't think that needs a new system
Especially in the NFL one and done playoffs it's not always going to be the better team winning....although Joe Burrow sure looks to be the real deal anyway.
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ponchi101
Yes. And it sticks out a lot.
Other than that. I am not a fan of the man, but as a football player, few can stand next to him. And the farewell letter is very thorough (other than the Pats omission).
by Fastbackss The NFL ... and the Giants ... are going to owe Brian Flores a lot of money if what has been published of his lawsuit are even remotely close to accurate
by ponchi101 His firing was insulting. Yes, they started terribly, but you could see his players never letting up for him. And it is not as if there are 20 good coaches out there to be hired.
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ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:44 am
His firing was insulting. Yes, they started terribly, but you could see his players never letting up for him. And it is not as if there are 20 good coaches out there to be hired.
They will recycle some dude who giving him a chance to bring his "expertise" to the team.
by ponchi101 :slap-to-the-face-emoji:
by
ti-amie Joe Burrow
How it started:
How it ended:
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Togtdyalttai Great news for Packers fans
by ptmcmahon Whew... and don't have to sweat it out all off season either.
Probably.
by
ptmcmahon And now the contract is out.
Four-year, $200 million extension with $153 million guaranteed.
Maybe Jordan Love will be ready after 6 years
by ponchi101 So now let's see Metkalf and Locket try to get out of Seattle in a hurry.
I gather Russell made it clear he was not staying. I get that Seattle got a lot of players and picks, but he is a prime QB. To me, Seattle lost too much.
by ptmcmahon True, but it is harder to get more back when it's known the player wants out though. Guessing that was the best they could do.
by ponchi101 Ok. So what will it be next week?
by ponchi101 Baker for Garopolo is like switching from a Toyota to a Nissan. Sure, dependable cars, but what would be the point?
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ptmcmahon But the Toyota is apparently a "kiddy" car
Funny to hear the Browns saying someone is too childish for them.
by ponchi101 That sound you hear are all the teams rushing to sigh Baker Mayfield.
No, wait, it's the wind.
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ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:46 am
That sound you hear are all the teams rushing to sigh Baker Mayfield.
No, wait, it's the wind.
by ptmcmahon And after getting good news about Rodgers…bye bye Davante.
by patrick Do Rodgers think he would want to rethink his decision to stay despite that record breaking contract?
by
ptmcmahon Naw, reports are that Aaron Rodgers "was aware" this was going to happen, and he "knew he wasn't going to re-sign." And we all believe everything Rodgers says at face value now right?
by ponchi101 One of the reasons when some politician says the USA is "the greatest country on Earth", some people wonder.
by ti-amie Aaron Rodgers Says Ayahuasca Psychedelic Helped Him Win Back-to-Back NFL MVP Awards
MIKE CHIARI
AUGUST 4, 2022
Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers suggested Wednesday that the use of a psychedelic drug helped him win back-to-back NFL MVP awards in 2020 and 2021.
Appearing on the Aubrey Marcus Podcast (h/t Jace Evans of USA Today), Rodgers described using ayahuasca for the first time in South America and explained how he believes the psychedelic helped him:
"I don't think it's a coincidence. I really don't. I don't really believe in coincidences at this point. It's the universe bringing things to happen when they're supposed to happen.
"There's signs and synchronicities all around us at all times if we're awake enough to see them and to take them in and to listen to our intuition when it's speaking to us or pounding us in the head saying, 'Hey dummy, this is what you're supposed to be doing.'"
Rodgers explained that he tried ayahuasca after experiencing "one of the best days of [his] life," which entailed taking psychedelic mushrooms on a beach. Rodgers added that ayahuasca has helped his mental health and given him "unconditional self-love," which has helped his relationship with teammates and others in his life.
From an on-field perspective, Rodgers has played some of the best football of his career over the past two seasons.
The 38-year-old completed 70.7 percent of his passes for 4,299 yards, 48 touchdowns and just five interceptions in 2020 and followed that up with 4,115 yards, 37 touchdowns and just four interceptions last season.
The future Hall of Famer went 13-3 as a starter both seasons and helped Green Bay earn the No. 1 seed in the NFC; however, playoff success eluded the Packers both times.
Their 2020 season ended with a home playoff loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the NFC Championship Game, and last season they lost to the San Francisco 49ers in the NFC Divisional Round.
The four-time NFL MVP is still in search of his second Super Bowl ring, but he will have to go on that quest without wide receiver Davante Adams, who is no longer his top target after getting traded to the Las Vegas Raiders.
Still, with Rodgers at the helm, the Pack are expected to be a top team in the NFC again this season and Super Bowl contenders.
by ponchi101 Yes.
"Everything happens for a reason".
The mantra of the successful people that have like the most incredible luck in the world. "I am this good because the universe loves me. ME. ME. ME."
by ti-amie Ayahuasca does not affect everyone the same way. I think it's a bit irresponsible for him to put this out there.
Also I don't know why the link to the article doesn't show up in the post.
Or here.
by ti-amie De$haun Wat$on $hould be getting p$ychological help but we all know why that ain't happening. It's sad really. Then again there's Big Ben so...
by ponchi101 But as long as everybody buys there...
by ponchi101 I wonder what can Favre tell people that can be of any worth.
by ptmcmahon Can’t any of my favourite Packers QBs just have normal off field lives? I don’t have a Love jersey yet so maybe that’s the key.
by ptmcmahon There is something fascinating about the truly bad weather games like this one, or the snow games where players can barely run and often don't even bother kicking.
by ponchi101 Absolutely. (About the coverage).
by ptmcmahon Also cringeworthy last night was listening to Al Michaels talking about how Deshaun Watson signing was controversial ... because it made the other owners uncomfortable. Ugh.
by ti-amie How was this man not put into the concussion protocol? Why was he playing tonight?
by ponchi101 It was a hard tackle, but not extreme. So maybe indeed something was left from Sunday.
by ptmcmahon No maybe about it... he looked off all night. I hope the team/NFL/doctors get in trouble over it... although I suspect nothing will come of it other than some people talking about it.
by ponchi101 Some talk about people suing the NFL. I wonder how much leverage some people may have to get that through.
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ti-amie They're playing on concrete with a thin green carpet over it. When your head bounces like Tua's did, helmet or no helmet, you're more than likely to get a concussion. I wasn't aware that there was such a thing as secondary head trauma (not the official name but my wording) and the thing with his fingers at the end is apparently a sign of it. That is what the concussion protocol would've picked up. The second concussion on top of the first one can have dire consequences.
Close up of what his fingers did.
via us.Marca.com ATNF
Tua Tagovailoa rushed to hospital with head and neck trauma, will fly back tonight with Dolphins
The Miami Dolphins signal caller was sacked in the second quarter and
his fingers suddenly started to contract, indicative of decorticate posturing: a typical symptom of severe head trauma.
https://www.marca.com/en/nfl/miami-dolp ... b45c9.html
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ti-amie
unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant
My shocked face
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ptmcmahon Can you "fire" someone unaffiliated?
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ponchi101 Indeed. Maybe you can cancel him?
by ponchi101 That is a strange condition.
by ti-amie Are we supposed to believe he's fit enough to speak coherently or is this one of those situations where they'll be evaluating him to determine just what his condition is?
by ponchi101 Let's wait and see. Remember that every athlete, in a team sport, risks losing his/her starting position to the replacement if the new guy/gal comes out on fire. Nobody is ever going to forget how there was no way Drew Bledsoe was going to lose his starting job to a rookie QB drafted 66 in the draft.
Tua was playing well, but he is not Mahones, who is irreplaceable. Sometimes, the players want to be tougher than they really are. Maybe he also wanted to play, which the Dolphins' medical staff should not have taken into consideration (if he pushed to be on the field).
by
ptmcmahon And by 66th, you mean 199th?
And technically he took over in his second year, not rookie year.
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ponchi101 ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:31 am
And by 66th, you mean 199th?
And technically he took over in his second year, not rookie year.
I stand corrected.
I thought he had been 66. What do I know
by ptmcmahon No that's his current age.
by ponchi101 This has got to be the worst football game I have ever seen. But it was fun in the end.
by New England Nitemare Ughh....Denver will be kicking themselves, no way they should have lost this game. Terrible!!!!
by ponchi101 You are 4 & 1, around the 5 yard line. You still have two minutes left.
I know you could have kicked the FG. But if you were going for it, why not go for a new set of downs? Gordon was working well. They still had time.
I sincerely believe that the stats people are not doing a good job.
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ptmcmahon I think the stats people would have said to run the ball too. I'm blaming the play caller for that one.
But like I always say... people only notice when following the stats doesn't work. A team could go 19 for 20 on fourth down and all people would talk about is the one miss
Or if they kick the field goal and then Indy go down the field and get a touchdown, no one blames the conservative play.
by ponchi101 Yes. But I want to see other stats.
Baltimore last week. They go for the TD, and fail. But the stat that I want to see is: how any teams LOSE the game when up by three points, and inside the 2 minute warning? It is not only about conversions, it is also about the end result. If it ends up that the team that scores the FG loses the game 66% of the time, go for the TD, regardless of the conversion rate of TD's. But if the stats say that those team up by 3 win the game 60% of the time, you have to re-think that one.
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ptmcmahon Yeah we’re only lucky enough to see the full “here are all the scenarios” with 3-4 probabilities occasionally. And even still that can be tricky as I imagine they’re drawing from tons of previous situations to estimate, which may not be completely appropriate in the situation.
I’ll have to make sure I applaud when going with the stats works.
Had say Denver gotten a first down and run out the clock, no one would have given the decision any second thought.
by ponchi101 And remember something else. There have been a lot, and it is a lot, of games this season that were decided by less than a FG. So, bravely going for that 4&1 in the 1st quarter instead of securing the 3 points may have real consequences this season.
If you are the Chiefs or the Bills, scoring 35 points per game, maybe not. But if you are the Jets or the Giants, you have no business going for it on 4&1, in the first half. Secure the points.
That would be another stat I would like to see. How many teams that lost by a FG had a FG chance earlier in the game and passed on it.
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ptmcmahon Yeah that's one thing i'm guessing the stats aren't differentiating... if one of the teams going for it is a Bills/Chiefs type offensive juggernaut... or a Giants/Jets one
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ponchi101 That's not that bad.
In the CLE-LAC game, there was a roughing the passer that was literally one player patting Brisset.
I know you have to protect the players, but at least allow the coaches to challenge these calls.
by ponchi101 And again.
The Bengals go for it on 4&1, at the 2 yard line. They don't convert, and of course, miss on the FG.
They lose by one FG.
It is insanity.
by patrick Analytics is playing a major role where games are decided by a FG or less
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ptmcmahon ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:17 am
And again.
The Bengals go for it on 4&1, at the 2 yard line. They don't convert, and of course, miss on the FG.
They lose by one FG.
It is insanity.
Are you talking about the third quarter play? You can't directly corelate going for it on 4th down on that play and not converting with the loss. The rest of the game would have played out much differently. At the very least if everything else stays the same, Baltimore don't go for a field goal at the end and have to go for a touchdown.
I'm going to have to start writing down everytime a team that wins had a converted fourth down so I can say they only won because of analytics.
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ptmcmahon One interesting thing I found in my researching... the % chance to win models are all definitely a bit variable. My favourite example from yesterday - The Chargers went for it on 4th and 1 up 2 with a minute left and failed to convert. According to some stats models:
"Ben Baldwin’s model had the decision inherently giving the Chargers 11.7 percent in added win probability. ESPN’s model had the decision adding 5.2 percent in win probability. Next Gen Stats’ model had the Chargers losing 0.2 percent in win probability with the decision."
So quite the difference depending on the model.
Ps Can I claim this a win for stats? If the Charges had punted maybe Cleveland instead throw a couple deep passes and win with a shorter field goal?
It's too bad the Chargers didn't convert because that would be a rare case where you could say the stats wound up sealing the win.
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ponchi101 Of course you can claim any win. After all, how many NFL teams do I coach?
My point is this. Football is not a ZERO SUM game. It is a WIN game, in which the points you score have nothing to do with the points your opponent scores.
Let's say that you have the same situation, for the Bengals. The chances of converting on the FG are about 95%. So, as a FG is worth .95 x 3= 2.85.
But what were the chances of converting that TD? Work it back: ANYTHING that calculates under 2.85 is statistically the wrong choice. At 6 points/TD, you need a conversion rate of 47%.
I understand the stats. But as I said before: I want to know how many games are lost by less than a FG WHEN that team passed on a previous FG, by going for a TD.
In football, I think that the chance of losing one game out of 17 is too much to take that chance, especially if you are down in the score.
by ponchi101 I will let you speak first now.
Did the Raiders need to go for 2, when the PAT would tie the game against a scoring machine?
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ptmcmahon Well the problem with your calculation is it's just getting expected points for that one play, but nothing that comes after. You can do that maybe if it's very late in the game, but a play that happens early in third quarter would vastly change what happens afterwards, so it's much harder to draw a direct result since there was so much game left.
The two point conversions last night were very interesting last night. I was hoping one of them would make it and I could say going for it won the game for a team...but alas neither was converted.
I think going for two for the Raiders was the right call giving them the chance for the lead against a team they hadn't stopped all half.
And then of course they stopped them. But if the Raiders take the lead, Kansas City probably play a little different since they are losing, instead of winning
So the key thing is it's so damn hard to say how one decision affects everything else. I'll have to watch next week again for a good winning example
by ponchi101 So far this week:
The Jets are NOT that terrible; they are not a gimme anymore.
The Giants are not for REAL, but they have to be taken seriously.
The Rams are pretty bad. They won, but that was not a dominant performance.
Seattle has scorched me every week. Have to start believing.
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ptmcmahon We do have it in TSN in Canada, but I might have been better off if we didn't have it
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ptmcmahon Well finally got a game where I can say (conclusively) going with the stats worked. 4th and 1 with 30 seconds left and Devner up four. Instead of kicking a field goal to go up seven and give Jacksonville the ball back, they go for it and convert. Jacksonville don't get another chance and game over.
So when it works as you can ... it's not a big deal
No one talks about it when going with stats work.
if they hadn't converted and Jacksonville come back and win we would have heard about it for sure though.
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ponchi101 Ok. Indeed, it worked.
But remember that part of my whining is when they go EARLY in the game and go for it in (as per your example) 4 & 1, and miss the three points and do not get them. Yesterday we saw one more example: the Packers went for it on 4&1, not cashing in the FG, and did not make it.
Of little consequence because the final gap was 10 points, but my question has been: in how many games has a team gone for it, not made it, and lose the game by a FG?
Which it is not what you are talking about, and indeed I may be just giving a good example of confirmation bias.
by ptmcmahon I just think it's way to hard to take a play that early in the game (think that play was in the 1st quarter or early second?) and say if they score three points there the rest of the game stays the same.
For example they would have played the last drive completely differently if they were down 7 than they did since they were down 10.
And that's not counting everything that could have changed in between as well. For example the next drive Buffalo wouldn't be taking over even at the same point in the field.
Although I'm sure something somewhere could calculate the % odds of winning based on A) Going for it and making it B) Going for it and missing it C) Field Goal attempt made and D) Field goal attempt missed. Some box scores have % chances of winning updated every play.
by ponchi101 Agree. You play depending on the score. As you say, down by 7 is different than down by 10. It would have been a different game.
But that is sort of my point. Obviously, I don't know the depth of the analytics in the NFL. I am sure, though, that the basic stats are covered, FOR EACH PLAY. For example, every coach knows what are the stats for a given situational play: If you are at yard X, and you have 4 and so much to go, what are your statistical chances of converting by pass or rush, and what are the chances that your opponent will stop you, based on your and their previous performances.
What I am not sure are the long term models, i.e. models that predict the outcome of the game. Very early in a game, going for it on 4&1 as opposed to kicking the FG will obviously have some sort of chaos theory/butterfly effect modelling; you still have 3 more quarters to play. Those models collapse into more predictability the deeper you are in the game. Easy example: if you have 15 seconds to go, down by 4, and have 4&1 at the 10, the FG is an easy choice; it just won't work, so that option is discarded.
Those are the stats I wonder if they have.
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ptmcmahon Yeah, it's hard to know exactly how they are coming up with the win %. Are they just pulling from similar games and similar situations? Are they simming every possible play? Remember the famous Indy - New England game from years ago where New England went for it deep in their own territory. How do you come up with %s for that? You obviously can't compare every other situation where a team went for it fourth down in their own territory in the last minute..it may have never happened before. And certainly not with Brady and Manning as the QBs.
And every model seems to be different than others... like the one I quoted from a game a couple weeks ago where three "predictors" each gave a play outcome three different win % - and not even the same team for all three.
Basically there is just way too many variables to count on the % as being more than an educated guess most of the time - other than when a play makes it 100%
But it's fun to debate.
by ponchi101 Exactly.
Another thing that I wonder at times.
You go for a very long FG; the kicker will have a certain % of making it. Of course, different kickers will have different percentages. The Ravens, with Tucker, are looking at a different set of data than Cano, also a fine kicker but not Tucker.
But.
You are exchanging a possible 3 for, also, a possible 7 for the other team, because you have to consider their chance of scoring WHEN given a favorable field position. For example, right now you do NOT give a favorable field position to the Chiefs or the Bills; it is too much of a gamble. So, if you go for it, your 3 becomes a (3 x %chance of making it) opposed to their (7 x %chance of scoring).
Early in the game, the probabilities are too hard to calculate, I think. So, go for the sure thing; that early in the game, the bird in hand beats those in the bush.
by ponchi101 He has that look in the eyes of somebody that had a concussion 5 MINUTES AGO.
"Doctor: tell me where you are, what you do and your name.
Favre: Broadway, actress, Shirley Temple!"
by ptmcmahon Score another one for the stats people. After scoring a touchdown to get it to 24-23 with 18 seconds left, the Chargers decide to go for two. They convert and win 25-24.
I didn't see the win % but I have to imagine going to overtime is probably about a 50-50 chance... and going for two would have been a higher % chance.
Oops... and checking another box score Jacksonville did the exact same thing. Even scoring the touchdown to make it a one point game with 18 seconds left too!
by ponchi101 Indeed, both LAC and JAX went for it on the last play, and made it.
I was watching the LAC game and LAC had a 77% success rate on 2-PT conversions, FROM LAST YEAR. It seems this was the first time they went for it this year.
Here, I felt that the stats were more complicated. If they went for the PAT, they would force OT. And then, a very complicated calculation would ensue.
Obviously, 50% chance of getting the ball back. Times your chance of scoring a TD. Versus 50% for the other team, times their chance for a TD. On and on. But this would have to be more than your 77% on 2PT conversions, so it seemed that, for the Chargers, this was the proper call.
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ptmcmahon Seeing 77% makes me think that means they were probably 7 for 9 last year. Another issue with these stats is they are such small sample sizes... hard to draw from 9 how true it is
Since it was from last year would be different players, different opponents etc. Makes me really wonder when they do determine a % (not from real scenarios) how they do it.
So very hard to determine real numbers of course. I'd have to guess for both Chargers and Jacksonville kicking the extra point and going for over time would be somewhere near 50% - actually maybe even lower since extra points are no guarantee now.
Question then is what is really their chances of converting two points? I believe league average is above 50% so it's probably the right play. I imagine the Chargers would have had a slightly better chance of converting than Jacksonville. But then again, Jacksonville probably actually would've had slightly less than 50% chance to beat Baltimore - they were clearly the underdogs - so it may have even been a better decision for them to go for two as an "underdog."
Either way - yes complicated is definitely a good word for it!
by ponchi101 The 49'ers, which were looking really good this season, lose Jimmy G for the rest of the season.
The man drafted last, Mr Irrelevant, has become Mr Relevant, in a hurry.
by ptmcmahon It's a big blow, but they still have an all pro RB, WR, and TE, plus one of the top defenses in the league. I suspect they'll be fine, although it definitely will hurt their chances come playoff time.
by ponchi101 Their defense has to carry them now, unless we are about to see "The Tom Brady Story, part II". They are loaded offensively but in the NFL, without a top QB, you can't make it.
On other news (or rather, opinions). I know Andy Reid is "a genius". But when you are going against Joe B, Jamarr, and the rest of the Cincy machine and your idea to beat them is run the ball with Isaiah Pacheco...
What do I know?
by ptmcmahon This doesn't feel like the Tom Brady story part two to me... they have a much better overall team than New England did then.
This might be more like Trent Dilfer (2001 Ravens) part two. A very strong defense and good running game that was enough to overcome some subpar quarterbacking. Was a little like that already with Jimmy G, although obviously much worse now.
by ponchi101 Ok, a better example. But this guy at QB has an excellent chance right now. If he is half decent, he can lead them far.
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ptmcmahon Exactly he doesn't need to be an all time great like Brady with this team.
Ugh, writing that makes me feel yucky
by ti-amie
They need to bring in some soccer coaches to show them how it's done...
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patrick ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:56 pm
Good for her!
She was demoted at the peak of Erica Andrews, who is still their number 1 reporter and also, done with Dancing with the Stars and etc,,,.
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ti-amie patrick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:35 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:56 pm
Good for her!
She was demoted at the peak of Erica Andrews, who is still their number 1 reporter and also, done with Dancing with the Stars and etc,,,.
I remember that well...
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skatingfan patrick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:35 pm
She was demoted at the peak of Erica Andrews, who is still their number 1 reporter and also, done with Dancing with the Stars and etc,,,.
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:40 pm
I remember that well...
Erin Andrews?
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ponchi101 ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:03 pm
...
They need to bring in some soccer coaches to show them how it's done...
No, you are not. Today, during Morocco/Portugal, the only thing that the Moroccan players didn't do was ask for a coffee while one of their teammates wriggled on the grass, only to get up (eventually) and almost classify for the Olympics' 100 Mts dash.
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ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:22 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:03 pm
...
They need to bring in some soccer coaches to show them how it's done...
No, you are not. Today, during Morocco/Portugal, the only thing that the Moroccan players didn't do was ask for a coffee while one of their teammates wriggled on the grass, only to get up (eventually) and almost classify for the Olympics' 100 Mts dash.
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patrick skatingfan wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:16 pm
patrick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:35 pm
She was demoted at the peak of Erica Andrews, who is still their number 1 reporter and also, done with Dancing with the Stars and etc,,,.
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:40 pm
I remember that well...
Erin Andrews?
Thanks for the correction
by ptmcmahon Even without Jimmy, and Deebo Samuel now, the 49ers are looking very good still.
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New England Nitemare ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:40 pm
Even without Jimmy, and Deebo Samuel now, the 49ers are looking very good still.
I know San Francisco has not skipped a beat. I know Philadelphia has the best record in the NFC (and NFL) now, but this 49ers team is very dangerous. If they were to meet in the NFC title game, that's going to be one helluva football game!!
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ptmcmahon Minnesota has looked very good at times too and can't be counted out. But they also seem to have had the most bad games.
I'd add Cowboys to list but we know they'll probably choke
by ponchi101 Seattle is not bad, and yet, that is exactly how they looked yesterday. The Niners' defense is impressive, and Purdy is doing the minimal but smart thing: hand it over to CMC, wait and see it another play develops, let the defense keep you in the game.
As you say: Philly/Niners may end up being a fantastic game. And I say we have a very good chance of getting it. Right now, in the NFC, those are the two top teams.
by ptmcmahon If Minnesota still played outdoors that certainly would make a potential San Fran @ Minnesota showdown more interesting. Then again, San Fran are probably built just as fine for the cold, less reliant on the big passing like the Vikings... sometimes are. Although they have a great back too.
by ti-amie This is sad though.
by ponchi101 Mr. Ponchi, broken record.
4 & 1, at the Vikings' 36, in a dome, you are up by 8, less than 3 minutes to go.
You go for it, or you kick the FG?
They went for it.
by ti-amie This game. Vikings vs Colts. I will never root for an Indiana team but if you are up 33-0 at half time and manage to only score three points in the second half you deserve to lose.
Vikings clinch the Division Championship 39-36 in overtime at home for the largest comeback in NFL history.
Playing not to lose almost always leads to a loss.
by ponchi101 KC barely beat the Broncos las week. This week, they are taken to OT by Houston.
Because Andy Reid has decided that his offense runs via Pacheco and McKinnon, not Kelce and Juju.
I really know nothing about this sport.
by ti-amie Dallas managed to lose a game they were winning via a Prescott pick-6 in overtime. Ridiculous.
by ponchi101 But it was one of those really flukey interceptions. He hit his receiver, the ball bounced up and the Jaguar defense-man grabbed the ball with his fingertips, and returned it.
It was not a clean interception (those that the intercepter grabs it cleanly).
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ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:39 pm
But it was one of those really flukey interceptions. He hit his receiver, the ball bounced up and the Jaguar defense-man grabbed the ball with his fingertips, and returned it.
It was not a clean interception (those that the intercepter grabs it cleanly).
True. It wasn't the hot mess the Colts game was.
by Fastbackss Nor the ending that the Raiders won with over the Patriots
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ptmcmahon ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:03 pm
KC barely beat the Broncos las week. This week, they are taken to OT by Houston.
Because Andy Reid has decided that his offense runs via Pacheco and McKinnon, not Kelce and Juju.
I really know nothing about this sport.
Kelce and Juju both were targeted 10 times, and had 105 and 88 yard respectively. I wouldn't say that means offense is only run by the backs.
Pacheco has looked very good as it is, and had 86 yard running. McKinnon ran for 50 and had over 70 yards receiving.
I'd say the offense is very balanced. And if they wind up playing in the AFC Championship game in Buffalo in January - you better believe they need the running game going well.
This week I'd blame the defense for the yards and points they gave to some players - leading Texan rusher Royce Freeman had been cut several times off the practice squad for example.
Meanwhile the combined blown lead by Brady and the end of the New England game gave me some great sadistic joy this weekend.
Overall, just another crazy week and I don't look forward to seeing my NFL Challenge scores at all.
by ponchi101 Kelce and Juju indeed ended up with good totals. But most of that was accrued in the 4th quarter, when they needed to mount the comeback.
It was a weird game; all the metrics are in favor of the Chiefs, but two fumbles led to 14 points from Houston. Still, up to the end of the 3rd, Juju and Kelce had been targeted about 4 times each.
I know they will need the running game. But they cannot become a running team now. Not with Mahones, Kelce, Juju and MVS.
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The Bucs are simply bad. The Bengals were in a funk but once they started, it was a beauty to watch.
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ptmcmahon It was definitely a weird game either way. It's like the announcers always remind us about the turnover battle.
I'm still hoping one of the 5-9 teams in that division runs table and knocks off the Bucs.
by ponchi101 Atlanta Vs Baltimore, Carolina vs Detroit, NO vs The Browns.
If Detroit and Cleveland revert to their historic low, they can lose. But I can't see Atlanta beating the Ravens.
I hope you are right.
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ptmcmahon You never know in this league. Two weeks ago the Jets had a winning record. Last night they looked like they wouldn't be competitive in one of these week's college bowl games. Can't believe I gave then 8 confidence points
by ponchi101 A QB will not carry a team to a winning record.
But a team with no QB can't do anything in this league. And the Jets are proving that.
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Fastbackss ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 3:13 am
You never know in this league. Two weeks ago the Jets had a winning record. Last night they looked like they wouldn't be competitive in one of these week's college bowl games. Can't believe I gave then 8 confidence points
This summed up how I felt watching them.
by ti-amie Bill Simmons brushing up on his Steven A cred...
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ponchi101 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:45 am
Atlanta Vs Baltimore, Carolina vs Detroit, NO vs The Browns.
If Detroit and Cleveland revert to their historic low, they can lose. But I can't see Atlanta beating the Ravens.
I hope you are right.
Monster jinx. Superb.
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ti-amie Jinxing is an art form here.
by Omess I am not sure it was a good win for Dallas, they could have lost ....Not good for the Playoff
by ponchi101 Why? Right now, they are seeded 5th, meaning a trip to balmy, no-weather-issues Tampa Bay, who will be the easiest playoff round contender.
And all the NFC teams will probably sit their starters on week 17. So, yesterday was the best they could do.
I say the road to the SB goes through Philly in the NFC. Although I don't see Dallas getting there, if they get to meet the 49'ers.
by ptmcmahon Interesting choice ... since Baltimore have clinched a spot, and Pittsburgh could be out by game time.
by ponchi101 The scheduled game was Rams/Chargers. Not appealing any more.
by ptmcmahon Yeah the original game wasn't a good choice either.
It depends on how things play out - if Steelers still alive it's a very interesting game. Otherwise possible the TB-NO, NE-Mia, GB-Min games are more important.
by ponchi101 last night in the SNF game, the guys from ESPN said that with Miami's loss, the Steelers cannot be eliminated next weekend. So BAL-PIT will be for real.
by ponchi101 Fire the GM. He was the one that sold the house, the car, the parking lot and the country club share for Russell.
Who unfortunately has been terrible, but Hackett could not see that in July (or whenever he was signed).
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ptmcmahon ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 3:45 pm
last night in the SNF game, the guys from ESPN said that with Miami's loss, the Steelers cannot be eliminated next weekend. So BAL-PIT will be for real.
That is for sure not right. If Chargers win tonight, they are also in.
Then if Miami win next week they will be 9-7. Pittsburgh can at get best get to 9 wins and lost head to head to Miami. So they need Miami to lose twice.
Checking the NFL page confirms this - it says Miami clinch next week if they win and Jets lose.
So Pittsburgh could be out before game starts. That said I think they still play hard trying to prevent Tomlin from having his first losing season.
by ptmcmahon Well that was one of the easiest games to predict all year.
I'm thinking Tennesee stick with Dobbs for next week. He had more yards than Willis did in any game... by halftime.
by ponchi101 I didn't put 16 on that game because there are also a few others that seem a forgone conclusion.
by ptmcmahon Starting a running back who had less than 50 yards on the season, and a QB who eight days ago was on the Lions practice squad made it a pretty safe bet. But I only had them 15 myself.
Of course, that QB could be starting a playoff game in two weeks (at home) now...the same weekend the last overall draft pick starts a home playoff game. You can't make these stories up - people would say they are too unbelievable.
by ponchi101 This is the year of the odd "QB Story": washed-out Geno Smith having a rather good year in Seattle, Russell Wilson going up in flames worth $250MM, Kyler Murray's guarantee contract, which right now looks like a big mistake, Brady's bad season (for his standard), Deshaun Watson showing you can't stop playing a sport for 700 days and expect to come back as if nothing, the 49'ers "we can win with any QB" story, when every other team is strictly dependent on their QB, and, of course, Tua's multiple concussions, a cautionary tale.
On that subject: they need to change the helmets; allow the players to wear the ones in practice. Ugly? You bet. Safer? Aha.
by ponchi101 Problem is that the results of this game will affect seeding by a lot. It affects just not these two teams. KC can be affected, Baltimore completely.
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ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 2:53 am
Problem is that the results of this game will affect seeding by a lot. It affects just not these two teams. KC can be affected, Baltimore completely.
by ti-amie Possible confirmation of what someone said about what caused his heart to stop.
by dryrunguy Even horse racing Twitter was ablaze with Damar's injury last night. Of course, everyone agreed that the delay in stopping the game was unacceptable and tone deaf. It never should have been up to the head coaches to do the right thing.
But as is always the case, the weirdos were out, too. One guy immediately tweeted about the potential playoff implications of this injury. He rightfully got hammered for that. And of course, there was the tweet from someone else saying we can expect more of this because the government tried to force COVID vaccines on the American people.
If Damar survives this, I hope he can recover fully or close to fully and have a good quality of life. That's the part that worries me. I'm just not sure how long it took to get his heart going again and how long his brain wasn't getting oxygen. There's a big difference between 3 minutes without oxygen to the brain and, say, 5 minutes without oxygen to the brain in terms of potentially permanent and poor outcomes.
But in general, the global sports world united last night around Damar. And 99% of it was really heartwarming to see.
by ponchi101 In all civilized countries, every ambulance, sports venue or large facility has an AED. So he must have received treatment promptly.
They say that all the medical personnel from both teams were attending them. I assume they took turns at CPR, which is a very physically demanding activity, so it must have been uninterrupted. That's would help his chances a lot. And, of course, all NFL teams have oxygen bottles on the sidelines, which is another plus.
One thing that I like: there are reports that the ambulance waited for his mother to arrive before taking him to the hospital. That is a good sign; the "urgency" had declined to that level. He must have been stabilized by then. All in all, a very serious event, but his chances must be acceptable. One good piece of news: there are no reports about him this early in the morning. Let's hope it translates into "no news = good news".
And, as you say. Everybody united in this. Something to consider for the "we are the most despicable scum in the entire universe" crowd. Last night, humanity delivered.
by dryrunguy I can confirm they had an AED on the field. That was one of the earlier details to emerge during last night's reports.
by ptmcmahon They have just announced game will not be resumed this week.
by dryrunguy BTW, if you're ever looking for solid, respectful reporting on southern Ohio/northern Kentucky sports that reflects journalistic integrity and traditional journalistic standards with no sensationalism or speculation, look up Joe Danneman, a sports reporter for the local FOX affiliate in Cincinnati.
Meanwhile, here's a statement from the Hamlin family that was retweeted by Joe.
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Owendonovan
As any respectable human in that circumstance should. Nice to see his example.
by Owendonovan I hope Hamlin recovers enough to see his foundation went from $2,500 to almost $7,000,000. I think running that full time is a better option for him than football.
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ti-amie Sources: NFL will not resume Bills-Bengals game
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The NFL will not resume the Bills-Bengals game that was suspended Monday night after Buffalo safety Damar Hamlin collapsed and went into cardiac arrest on the field, two people familiar with the decision told The Associated Press on Thursday.
Both people spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because the league is still figuring out how to determine playoff seedings and scheduling. The NFL Players Association must approve changes.
The Bills-Bengals game had major playoff implications.
https://theredzone.org/Blog-Description ... ngals-game
by ptmcmahon Sad to say it, but if Damar is awake and now that the game is being postpned... think the ugliness of fans is about to come back (ie people talking like Skip Bayless.)
by ponchi101 Nobody gets to play at such a level, in any sports, without being very, very competitive.
That he asked about the game would be normal. He is/was the least informed person about what happened. Probably woke up and thought it was MONDAY NIGHT still.
Great he is back and conscious.
by Fastbackss Of the options being considered I really hope they don't choose the "add an 8th team" one
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ptmcmahon Game cancelled and any games that wind up possibly affected wind up at Neutral site (ie KC/Buf/Cin games if the right teams win/lose)
https://www.nfl.com/news/proposed-afc-p ... ed-to-know
Cincinnati have now clinched AFC North and also can't finish #1. But if Baltimore beat them there will be a coin toss to see who is host IF they play next week.
by ponchi101 The interesting thing now is: which stadia will be considered as neutral sites?
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ptmcmahon Knowing the NFL, somewhere warm.
Should give it to cities like Cleveland that haven't hosted a playoff game in ages
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ponchi101 Cincy-Bal in CLE. Not neutral; both teams are hated there
Or imagine Buffalo playing in Miami; there is no way a Miami crowd will root for them.
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ptmcmahon As long as Cincy and Baltimore are both equally hated it should be ok.
Tough call, but I bet Baltimore would probably be more hated there.
I'd probably put them in NFC cities to be honest. Probably ex super bowl host cities like Glendale, New Orleans, Atlanta, etc.
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ptmcmahon Fun game in Jacksonville as a defensive touchdown with under three to go gets Jacksonville into the playoffs, despite starting 4-8.
Now, can one more 4-8 team sneak in
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Fastbackss ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:33 pm
The interesting thing now is: which stadia will be considered as neutral sites?
The article I read said was going to be domes.
Indy was asked but declined.
Supposedly Detroit and Atlanta were also in the mix
by ponchi101 That was a fun game: Jags/Tenn. Very close.
I say the Jags will now have a good chance if they play the Ravens SANS Lamar, but the Chargers are too loaded. Too many weapons in that team.
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ptmcmahon Found it pretty interesting the Packers let Brett Favre play the second half last night!
My daughter is savage, I woke her up for school this AM and very first words were "I bet Green Bay lost because they are terrible." I couldn't deny it.
by ponchi101 They are not terrible.
But I wonder if Rodgers is any longer a top QB in the league.
BTW. Mr. "I-am-immunized", Mr. "I spent the summer doing ayahuasca" had a nice display after the game. Walking back to the locker room, a cameraman was filming and Rodgers moved him aside and clearly said "get the (expletive) out of my face".
I really wonder why he is so adored.
by ptmcmahon He's definitely not as adored as he was a few years ago (even by Packers fans like me). And that was mostly for football exploits.
He wasn't a top tier QB this year. He didn't have any 300 yard games, and perhaps more importantly, didn't have any of his usual end of game heroic drives like he used to. A couple of years ago when they got the ball back with 5 minutes left like last night, I would have been fairly confident we'd still win. Last night once Detroit took lead I knew it was likely over and we couldn't come back. What was really odd was in the second half he was going full Gun Slinger Favre mode - it looked like he was getting desperate to pull something off. He had a great long completion to Watson, but also two (and would have been three if not for a penalty) what was he thinking interceptions where he just chucked the ball and it got picked. Very Un-Rodgers like.
I'm not sure if I count him out yet... or if I'm convinced Love is going to be anything special. But I'm very nervous about next season either way. I probably sound spoiled to fans of non Tom Brady teams, but it really feels like we should have gotten more than one Super Bowl win out of this great run.
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JazzNU ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:15 pm
My daughter is savage, I woke her up for school this AM and very first words were "I bet Green Bay lost because they are terrible." I couldn't deny it.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:34 pm
They are not terrible.
But I wonder if Rodgers is any longer a top QB in the league.
BTW. Mr. "I-am-immunized", Mr. "I spent the summer doing ayahuasca" had a nice display after the game. Walking back to the locker room, a cameraman was filming and Rodgers moved him aside and clearly said "get the (expletive) out of my face".
I really wonder why he is so adored.
The media has always adored him more than the fans have (outside of GB). Fans have respected his talent, but they haven't adored him greatly like a Peyton Manning, for instance. Not even remotely close. And that was before the immunized BS.
And GB has been plenty terrible this year similar to what they showed last night. Rounding into a somewhat better team doesn't erase how terrible they've been at points in this year. And their resurgence at the end of the season came off wins against the Bears, Rams, and a concussed Tua. Media was happy to push the narrative of the Rodgers dream run because they are always up for that.
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ptmcmahon ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:49 pm
I'd probably put them in NFC cities to be honest. Probably ex super bowl host cities like Glendale, New Orleans, Atlanta, etc.
Bills - Chiefs AFC championship - if it happens - will be in Atlanta.
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/if-its ... 19232.html
Do I get bonus point in any of the contests for this prediction?
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ponchi101 I say, you should get about 10 extra points in the NFL Challenge.
(Wait. You are ahead of me... uhm)
by Fastbackss Lamar and tua out for first round is disappointing
by ponchi101 It is. It almost seals those games.
by ptmcmahon I don`t think Tua playing would have given Miami much of a chance regardless.
Lamar not playing is huge though.
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ponchi101 ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 12:06 pm
I don`t think Tua playing would have given Miami much of a chance regardless.
Lamar not playing is huge though.
Agree. I think the Bills will not lose to Miami, even if 25 yo Dan Marino time travels for this game.
The Ravens with Lamar would make it competitive.
by ponchi101 You are up by 27 and have Herbert.
Does this deserve a firing? They lost because of the dumb penalties by Bosa, not the coach.
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ptmcmahon And is required of me...I must point out that PART of the reason Jacksonville won was because at 30-26 they go for two - so the field goal at the end wins it instead of ties it.
It was only after a penalty which meant they'd have to go from the one yard line.
So again, going by the stats does help people win sometime, doesn't only cost teams games. It's just not going to get the same level of credit as the same level of blame would've happened if they don't make it. I enjoyed how uneasy it made Al Michaels and Tony Dungy thinking about Jacksonville doing it.
One thing I still hate seeing myself is teams running down the clock to say 3-4 seconds before the attempt to only give themselves one chance. If I'm HC I run it to ten seconds to give myself a second chance for bad snap, etc.
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ponchi101 ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:53 am
And is required of me...I must point out that PART of the reason Jacksonville won was because at 30-26 they go for two - so the field goal at the end wins it instead of ties it.
It was only after a penalty which meant they'd have to go from the one yard line.
So again, going by the stats does help people win sometime, doesn't only cost teams games. It's just not going to get the same level of credit as the same level of blame would've happened if they don't make it. I enjoyed how uneasy it made Al Michaels and Tony Dungy thinking about Jacksonville doing it.
One thing I still hate seeing myself is teams running down the clock to say 3-4 seconds before the attempt to only give themselves one chance. If I'm HC I run it to ten seconds to give myself a second chance for bad snap, etc.
Proper stats. You are slowly building up your case.
But.. (as is required of me
)
They went for two AFTER Bousa did that truly stupid helmet toss and moved the line to the 1-yard line. What are the chances of converting ANY TD from the 1-yard line? I say it is high. The equation changed.
Remember my point. I say that going for it EARLY in the game is dumb; going for a 4 & 1, within field goal range, in Q1, may come to bite you back. In this game, the Jags were in desperation mode very early on, so the call we are talking about seemed more acceptable.
But: I concede your point. This time, going for 2 instead of 1 and setting up a winning FG instead of a tying FG paid off.
Your point of running the clock down to 3-4 secs is also solid. You would need to gauge: what is more statistically possible: a bad snap, or a kick off return for a TD? Uhm.... data, data, data.
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ptmcmahon Against the Bills last week that may have been a very bad choice yes
My point overall more is just there is lots of hate when problem going with the stats doesn’t work out and they get blamed. But when it works they aren’t often credited. The NFL has always been conservative this way where many people and coaches play not to lose often instead of playing to win.
The Bosa penalty made an easy decision yes. It probably was the right call even without the extra yard(s?) and I was already wondering if they might consider it. Either way they need to get ball back and score again.
Another odd thing I find coaches doing is waiting until last possible opportunity to go for two if you just need one. Say you’re down 22, most coaches will try for three touchdowns but not go do two until the last one and it’s tied. I think the much smarter play is to go for it right away so you have more time to adjust. In that case you could go for two twice more to make up for it.
by ponchi101 The talking head for ESPN down here (showing Bills-Fins) just said: "Sorry, Skylar Thompson. You are too good of a QB for these receivers".
They have dropped him at least three huge plays, on very, very, very good passes.
by ptmcmahon Calling Rodgers Least Valuable Player is sadly pretty spot on.
by ponchi101 We will see, but running away from that ridiculous contract that Rodgers got will be impossible.
Only Dave Chappelle runs away from millions of dollars. Nobody else.
by ti-amie So this happened and they pretty much had to yeet Mahomes off the sidelines to get his ankle looked at. (Yeet means to throw). He was visibly arguing with Reid.
by ponchi101 Serious question. If the Bengals are wearing white, isn't that a serious advantage in the snow? I mean, they are almost camouflaged.
by ptmcmahon Probably not really. Remember we’re watching from overhead so we’re contrasting our view with the ground. For the players they are probably standing out more.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:23 pm
Serious question. If the Bengals are wearing white, isn't that a serious advantage in the snow? I mean, they are almost camouflaged.
Definitely not camouflaged. It's like people who wear white winter coats. You see them just fine in a snowstorm.
Not sure how often you've watched outdoor winter sports, but like skiers wear white pretty regularly on the slopes and you see them fine and so does everyone else, even when the snow is coming down hard.
I think part of it is that they are different white colors. And white on white when not made together in a design context is typically less than attractive, it presents more like white on off-white because they are inconsistent shades.
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ponchi101 I ski dressed in blue or blue/red
. So when I splatter myself the rescue dogs will have an easier time finding me
During some part of the transmission, it felt that the Bills were so lost it was as if they could not find the Bengals. So I thought: they dressed like Siberian tigers; not Bengals.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:11 pm
I ski dressed in blue or blue/red
. So when I splatter myself the rescue dogs will have an easier time finding me
During some part of the transmission, it felt that the Bills were so lost it was as if they could not find the Bengals. So I thought: they dressed like Siberian tigers; not Bengals.
Visibility was definitely a problem through parts of the game when the snow was coming down particularly hard, but that was the same for both. I think it was more of a we aren't as good as we thought we were realization that had the Bills looking lost...
Personally don't think they've looked as good since their key defensive injuries especially to Micah Hyde and Von Miller that made them less than the more formidable team they were early in the season.
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ptmcmahon I will say the funniest part of the visibility in the Bills game was when they kept showing Damar in the press box early in the game and they would say "look what he is doing" and you couldn't see a thing at all
Could've been anyone doing anything.
by ti-amie When this is the "play of the game"
Alexis Ohanian was like WTF?
He also asked if that showed that they have no faith in Dak.
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ptmcmahon There is a percentile of cowardly punts?
That's awesome. Wonder what #1 was?
Even aggressive go with the stats guy me wasn't too offended by first two punts. But man it's hard to punt when you're losing with 2 minutes left, no matter where you are.
by ponchi101 And then: he got what he wanted. The defense stopped the 49'ers, and they got the ball back. But Schultz could not complete that catch.
Very tough decision. He needed to know: what was the percentage FOR THE COWBOYS of making that 4th down, and what was the percentage for the Niners, to stop them. I say, with that defense, the percentages were in favor of the Niners.
by ti-amie I really don't care for Steven A but he's taking his schtick all the way to the bank.
by ponchi101 Will it heal in time for the next season? Meaning, the start.
by ptmcmahon As someoen with Pollard in a keeper league, I will be very closely keeping on eye on that!
by ti-amie ^ While I was listening to the above something got in my eye...
by ponchi101 And now Johnson is out too.
You simply can't win with so many casualties. With Elijah Mitchel out, you simply can't have CMC run the offense.
by ti-amie It's not over yet but this reminded me of Shakespeare's Richard the III:
"A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse".
by ti-amie Someone on what's left of the Bird App said Mahomes doesn't look hurt.
This plus a shot of that painkiller they gave him last week the man is probably feeling no pain.
by JazzNU Now the Eagles were likely to win today regardless with just the incredibly unlucky hits that the Niners kept taking, but the refs helped that one along and affected the score to make sure that one was fully out of reach.
But the Bengals got thoroughly screwed with the officiating. The NFL only have themselves to blame for #NFLRigged trending. It was blatantly obvious they were doing any and everything to get the Mahomes and the Chiefs over the hump. I've never seen it less disguised than it was there tonight. Had NBA vibes tonight.
by ponchi101 I especially liked the "That play didn't happen" (after Cincy had stopped them).
Well, Joe's windows is his whole career. Let's hope Cincy keeps the core, and adds a few players that will help Joe not get sacked 26 times per game.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:16 am
I especially liked the "That play didn't happen" (after Cincy had stopped them).
By far the most egregious officiating call of the night and when #NFLRigged started trending more forcefully. Truly insane that they did that and it took so long to do it you know they made the call with the help of the VP of Officiating.
by ptmcmahon Well... the only real issue was how long it took them to actually announce it. The referee did run in to blow the play dead - they showed it on replay. We don't have to like how long it took, but the play "didn't" happen. I'd call that one embarrassing, but not "wrong."
The calls I thought were bad were the intentional grounding where they claimed no one was there, but as Nantz pointed out, Perine was right next to where ball landed... and a fairly soft PI on Apple.
Cincinnati did it themselves in the end ... in a finish eerily similar to the Pittsburgh playoff game a few years ago.
It sounds weird to say they are trying to get KC over the hump when they won the Super Bowl just three years ago. I've stopped paying attention to what is "trending" on twitter because no matter who would have won the other side would have been complaining about something.
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JazzNU ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:55 am
Cincinnati did it themselves in the end ... in a finish eerily similar to the Pittsburgh playoff game a few years ago.
No they didn't do it to themselves in the end. The refs did. There were blocks in the back on that punt return. At least two offensive holds on that Mahomes run that resulted in him getting that far down field that weren't flagged. And yes, the phantom intentional grounding call is another.
There were a mountain of officiating problems in this game and almost all of them favored the Chiefs.
I'm not a Bengals fan saying this, but a Steelers fan. It was egregiously one-sided officiating and it influenced the outcome of the game.
by ti-amie I'm not surprised and very sad to read about Tua. I hope he comes out of this okay.
by ptmcmahon I meant the Bengals did it themselves with the late hit out of bounds. Put the final nail in their own coffin I'll say.
There were definitely bad calls, but I'm not one who's going to say the referees were trying to make KC win. I will say the play that didn't count wasn't a bad call, it was just very poorly handled.
by ti-amie TBH I thought Mahomes momentum carried him off the field and into the sideline things. Ossai shoved him but it wasn't that bad. I was stunned they called a penalty on that. As has been said it as what won the game for the Chiefs and in a night of bad officiating it was probably the only way the game could've ended.
There was talk that the Governor of Florida, seeing two African-American quarterbacks will start in the Super Bowl, has banned it from being shown in Florida because it would be too "woke" but there's no truth to the rumor.
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ptmcmahon The penalty was nothing to do with hitting sideline things...heck Ossai hurt himself more.
But Mahomes was already out of bounds and clearly heading that way for awhile. I think it was a 100% legit call. I would have been stunned if it wasn't called.
You can't get your hands on a player that far out of bounds...especially a QB. There were definitely bad calls that hurt the Bengals but that wasn't one of them.
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ti-amie ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 11:37 pm
The penalty was nothing to do with hitting sideline things...
heck Ossai hurt himself more.
But Mahomes was already out of bounds and clearly heading that way for awhile. I think it was a 100% legit call. I would have been stunned if it wasn't called.
You can't get your hands on a player that far out of bounds...especially a QB. There were definitely bad calls that hurt the Bengals but that wasn't one of them.
Watching it again you're correct about the shove happening when Mahomes was already out of bounds but it was clear he was going to run into those things just on his momentum.
Ossai did hurt himself more but the "NFL RIGGED" hashtag was already trending and Tony Romo had probably screamed himself into laryngitis.
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ptmcmahon Yeah Mahomes running into stuff out of bounds had nothing to do with the penalty.
Romo is stating to drive me nuts some games
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JazzNU ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 11:14 pm
I meant the Bengals did it themselves with the late hit out of bounds. Put the final nail in their own coffin I'll say.
There were definitely bad calls, but I'm not one who's going to say the referees were trying to make KC win. I will say the play that didn't count wasn't a bad call, it was just very poorly handled.
I assume you're missing the point, so I'll post this to make it clearer. This is the exact same play.
by ponchi101 Thomas Edward Patrick Lavon Brady Mahomes JR?
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ptmcmahon JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:12 am
I assume you're missing the point, so I'll post this to make it clearer. This is the exact same play.
I don't see holds on that play. I can't really see where Allegretti's hands are (#66) so that could be one but from that view I can't tell - too blurry. I don't see his hands outside of the Bengals players pads though. I have no idea what the second "blatant" hold is on that play.
by JazzNU A year to the day later
by ponchi101 I think the part in which he said he used his emotional, long winded retirement speech already was fine.
Yes, time to go, and he leaves as the GOAT of QB's. The numbers are too far out.
He will be on some NFL show soon enough.
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patrick JazzNU wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:11 pm
A year to the day later
Why did he decide to retire on the first day of Black History month? Think this should have been done yesterday.
Also, have anyone seen his ex-wife reaction?
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JazzNU patrick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:01 pm
Why did he decide to retire on the first day of Black History month? Think this should have been done yesterday.
Also, have anyone seen his ex-wife reaction?
He did the same thing last year. I think he's thinking February and enough time to not distract from the Super Bowl and not this is the first day of Black History Month. I have a very hard time believing he's thought about that aspect. And given his family makeup, I think if that had gotten back to him last year, he might have thought about it announcing it yesterday.
Gisele said something like, wishing you wonderful things in your next chapter.
by ponchi101 Change that. Yes.
And adopt the XFL's KICKOFF return formation. It is fun, leads to more returns, fewer injuries.
by patrick Speaking of XFL, season starts Saturday
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ponchi101 I know. We should run the XFL Challenge
(I like that league. A bit less intense).
by ti-amie Isn't them being disgusted with him a yearly occurence?
by ponchi101 I will believe it when I see it (that they are moving on from him).
See where and when can they dump him. Because they can't.
by ptmcmahon As a Packers fan I'm just not reading anything until it's settled. And after the year he had I'm not sure what way I want it to wind up for a change.
by ti-amie
I'm so glad Stephen A kept his mouth shut
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Ainsley Gotta Catch Em All and he sure is.
by ti-amie
So they want to do this to him for real this time?
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ptmcmahon At this point the only one I'm really feeling sorry for at all (other than my fellow Pack fans) is Love.
Meanwhile, the Bears got a huge haul out of Carolina for the #1 pick:
https://www.nfl.com/news/bears-trading- ... raft-picks
Which QB do the Panthers take?
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ptmcmahon Has anyone ever asked a team to pursue free agents before even being traded to the team before? Only Rodgers...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/358 ... ources-say
Sounds like they've already signed Lazard...4 years and 44 million for someone with a career high 60 catches, 788 yards...
by ponchi101 Serious here. Isn't that tampering? I know, we are in full free agency season, but it sounds a bit shady.
Anyway, as he NFL will never reign in Rodgers, he will get away with anything.
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ptmcmahon I'm not sure what's going on with the NFL anymore. They actually added a "legal tampering" period for teams negotiating with free agents.
https://www.patspulpit.com/2023/3/13/23 ... gency-2023
So it's all getting even sillier than it always was.
So wonder if 15 years from now I'm going through the same drama with Love? (I guess if we get even close to what we got with last two I'll take it.)
by ponchi101 Ok. So Rodgers is tampering to the max. Am I right?
by ti-amie There was a joke on social media this morning that the Jets have already built a tiny house for Rodgers to take his dark retreats in and that Ayahuasca is now going to be offered.
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ti-amie Packers trade Aaron Rodgers to Jets in megadeal, per sources: How move impacts draft, playoff odds
By Zack Rosenblatt, Jeff Howe, Matt Schneidman and Nick Baumgardner
The Packers have traded quarterback Aaron Rodgers, the No. 15 pick in this year’s draft and a 2023 fifth-round pick to the Jets, league and team sources confirmed to The Athletic on Monday. Here’s what you need to know:
The Packers are getting the No. 13 pick in this year’s draft, a second-round pick, a sixth-round pick and a conditional 2024 second-round pick that can become a first-round pick, the sources said.
The blockbuster trade ends Rodgers’ 18-year run in Green Bay that included a Super Bowl title and four NFL MVP awards.
The move injects life into a Jets franchise starving for relevancy at quarterback and turns the page for a Packers franchise handing the keys to 24-year-old Jordan Love.
Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst said Monday that many details regarding the Rodgers trade have been agreed upon, but it’s not finalized yet.
https://theathletic.com/4446552/2023/04 ... gers-jets/
Paywall
by ponchi101 Since I have never been a fan of the Jets, no reason to change now.
by ti-amie The Jets, and the Giants, are the main reason I pay for NFL Redzone.
I had no idea Rodgers is 39 years old.
by ponchi101 I gather that the Jets think that Brady will be the norm now. And this is a good experiment.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:49 pm
The Jets, and the Giants, are the main reason I pay for NFL Redzone.
I had no idea Rodgers is 39 years old.
How old did you think he was?
Why are you paying for NFL Redzone to watch in-market teams?
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ti-amie JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:40 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:49 pm
The Jets, and the Giants, are the main reason I pay for NFL Redzone.
I had no idea Rodgers is 39 years old.
How old did you think he was?
Why are you paying for NFL Redzone to watch in-market teams?
I want to avoid my in market teams and that's why I pay for NFL Redzone. I hate both of them.
I thought he (Rodgers) was about 35.
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JazzNU ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:50 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:40 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:49 pm
The Jets, and the Giants, are the main reason I pay for NFL Redzone.
I had no idea Rodgers is 39 years old.
How old did you think he was?
Why are you paying for NFL Redzone to watch in-market teams?
I want to avoid my in market teams and that's why I pay for NFL Redzone. I hate both of them.
I thought he (Rodgers) was about 35.
Ahh, I see.
You thought he was a good deal younger then in my mind. Those later years seem like dog years to me in the NFL and he'll be 40 before next season is over.
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skatingfan 'Blind Side' subject Oher alleges Tuohys made millions off lie
Retired NFL star Michael Oher, whose supposed adoption out of grinding poverty by a wealthy, white family was immortalized in the 2009 movie "The Blind Side," petitioned a Tennessee court Monday with allegations that a central element of the story was a lie concocted by the family to enrich itself at his expense.
The 14-page petition, filed in Shelby County, Tennessee, probate court, alleges that Sean and Leigh Anne Tuohy, who took Oher into their home as a high school student, never adopted him. Instead, less than three months after Oher turned 18 in 2004, the petition says, the couple tricked him into signing a document making them his conservators, which gave them legal authority to make business deals in his name.
The petition further alleges that the Tuohys used their power as conservators to strike a deal that paid them and their two birth children millions of dollars in royalties from an Oscar-winning film that earned more than $300 million, while Oher got nothing for a story "that would not have existed without him." In the years since, the Tuohys have continued calling the 37-year-old Oher their adopted son and have used that assertion to promote their foundation as well as Leigh Anne Tuohy's work as an author and motivational speaker.
"The lie of Michael's adoption is one upon which Co-Conservators Leigh Anne Tuohy and Sean Tuohy have enriched themselves at the expense of their Ward, the undersigned Michael Oher," the legal filing says. "Michael Oher discovered this lie to his chagrin and embarrassment in February of 2023, when he learned that the Conservatorship to which he consented on the basis that doing so would make him a member of the Tuohy family, in fact provided him no familial relationship with the Tuohys."
The Tuohy family did not immediately return phone calls Monday to numbers listed for them. Their attorney, Steve Farese, declined comment to ESPN on Monday, saying the family would file a legal response to the allegations in the coming weeks.
Sean Tuohy told the Daily Memphian website that he was stunned by Oher's allegations and said the Tuohys "didn't make any money off the movie," only a share of proceeds from Michael Lewis' book, which was the foundation for the film.
"We're devastated," Sean Tuohy told the outlet. "It's upsetting to think we would make money off any of our children. But we're going to love Michael at 37 just like we loved him at 16."
Oher's petition asks the court to end the Tuohys' conservatorship and to issue an injunction barring them from using his name and likeness. It also seeks a full accounting of the money the Tuohys earned using Oher's name, and to have the couple pay him his fair share of profits, as well as unspecified compensatory and punitive damages.
"Since at least August of 2004, Conservators have allowed Michael, specifically, and the public, generally, to believe that Conservators adopted Michael and have used that untruth to gain financial advantages for themselves and the foundations which they own or which they exercise control," the petition says. "All monies made in said manner should in all conscience and equity be disgorged and paid over to the said ward, Michael Oher."
Oher was a rising high school senior when he signed the conservatorship papers, and he has written that the Tuohys told him that there was essentially no difference between adoption and conservatorship. "They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account," Oher wrote in his 2011 best-selling memoir "I Beat the Odds."
But there are some important legal distinctions. If Oher had been adopted by the Tuohys, he would have been a legal member of their family, and he would have retained power to handle his own financial affairs. Under the conservatorship, Oher surrendered that authority to the Tuohys, even though he was a legal adult with no known physical or psychological disabilities.
The petition alleges that the Tuohys began negotiating a movie deal about their relationship with Oher shortly after the 2006 release of the book "The Blind Side: Evolution of a Game," which chronicled the story.
According to the legal filing, the movie paid the Tuohys and their two birth children each $225,000, plus 2.5% of the film's "defined net proceeds." The movie became a critically acclaimed blockbuster, reportedly grossing more than $300 million at the box office, and tens of millions of dollars more in home video sales. The film received an Oscar nomination for Best Picture, and Sandra Bullock won a Best Actress trophy for her portrayal of Leigh Anne Tuohy. While the deal allowed the Tuohys to profit from the film, the petition alleges, a separate 2007 contract purportedly signed by Oher appears to "give away" to 20th Century Fox studios the life rights to his story "without any payment whatsoever." The filing says Oher has no recollection of signing that contract, and even if he did, no one explained its implications to him.
The deal lists all four Tuohy family members as having the same representative at Creative Artists Agency, the petition says. But Oher's agent, who would receive movie contract and payment notices, is listed as Debra Branan, a close family friend of the Tuohys and the same lawyer who filed the 2004 conservatorship petition, the petition alleges. Branan did not return a call to her law office on Monday.
In the past, the Tuohys have denied making much money from the movie, saying they received a flat fee for the story and did not reap any of the movie's profits. And what they did earn, they added, was shared with Oher.
"We divided it five ways," the Tuohys wrote in their 2010 book, "In a Heartbeat: Sharing the Power of Cheerful Giving."
Oher's court petition says he never received any money from the movie, even though he long suspected that others were profiting, according to his attorney, J. Gerard Stranch IV. Whenever Oher asked questions, he did not get straight answers, his attorney said.
And since the film's success coincided with the start of his lucrative NFL career in 2009, Oher did not take the time to fully investigate the deal until after he retired in 2016, Stranch said. Oher eventually hired a lawyer who helped him uncover the details surrounding the movie deal and his legal connection to the people he believed were his adoptive parents. His lawyer unearthed the conservatorship document in February, and Oher came to the painful realization that the Tuohys had not adopted him.
"Mike didn't grow up with a stable family life," Stranch said. "When the Tuohy family told Mike they loved him and wanted to adopt him, it filled a void that had been with him his entire life. Discovering that he wasn't actually adopted devastated Mike and wounded him deeply."
The petition marks a sharp break in what had been an inspiring, if unsettlingly stereotypical, feel-good story. As the movie portrayed the story, the Tuohys adopted Oher, a poor, virtually homeless and academically challenged Black teenager. They made Oher part of a functional family for the first time. They helped him catch up in school, taught him the basics of football and how to harness his physical skills, putting him on the road to sports stardom.
The truth, however, was more complicated.
Oher certainly led a hard-knock life growing up. But he also had the smarts, the pluck and plenty of help from the Tuohys and others to rise above his circumstances.
Oher was one of 12 children born to his mother, who struggled with drug addiction. Before his 11th birthday, Oher was placed into foster care, where he bounced around numerous homes, and at times lived on the streets. Although he was a capable student, he attended 11 schools in nine years, and repeated both the first and second grades, leaving him behind academically.
His fortunes changed after a friend's father, impressed with Oher's inner drive and focus, introduced him to the principal of a private Christian school in a prosperous Memphis neighborhood. Oher began attending the school in 10th grade, even as his home life remained chaotic. He was a sports prodigy, excelling in track and field, basketball and football, a game he had studied for years.
He began playing football for his new school in 11th grade, quickly establishing himself as one of the nation's top offensive linemen, and college scholarship offers poured in from big-time football programs across the country.
Because of his unstable housing situation, Oher frequently stayed over at the homes of his classmates, including the Tuohys, whose children attended the school. The petition says that the Tuohys forged a closer relationship with him once Oher's athletic prowess drew wide attention. They invited him to spend more nights at their spacious Memphis home and took him shopping. Eventually, they asked Oher to move in. They encouraged him to address them as "mom" and "dad," and said they planned to adopt him, the filing says.
Oher was delighted with all that at the time, his lawyer said, and he fully trusted the Tuohys.
Oher went on to play college football at the University of Mississippi, the Tuohys' alma mater. He was a two-time All-American and a first-round pick of the Baltimore Ravens in 2009.
After the success of "The Blind Side," however, suspicion slowly eclipsed Oher's trust of the Tuohys, his lawyer said.
"Mike's relationship with the Tuohy family started to decline when he discovered that he was portrayed in the movie as unintelligent," Stranch said. "Their relationship continued to deteriorate as he learned that he was the only member of the family not receiving royalty checks from the movie, and it was permanently fractured when he realized he wasn't adopted and a part of the family."
For years, Oher has chafed at how "The Blind Side" depicted him, saying it hurt his football career and clouded how people view him. He has said that based on the film, some NFL decision-makers assumed he was mentally slow or lacked leadership skills.
"People look at me, and they take things away from me because of a movie," Oher told ESPN in 2015. "They don't really see the skills and the kind of player I am."
For their part, the Tuohys agreed that Oher always had what it took to succeed. "If there is a fundamental misapprehension about Michael, it's that he needed saving," the Tuohys wrote in their book. "We discovered that underneath his shyness, his foot shuffling, and his head ducking, he had a tremendous will to determine the course of his own life."
For years, Oher has said, he was content to live with the myth created by the movie, reasoning that its inspirational message outweighed the pain inflicted by what he saw as its inaccurate portrayal of his life. But that has changed.
"There has been so much created from The Blind Side that I am grateful for, which is why you might find it as a shock that the experience surrounding the story has also been a large source of some of my deepest hurt and pain over the past 14 years," Oher wrote in his book "When Your Back's Against the Wall," released last week.
"Beyond the details of the deal, the politics, and the money behind the book and movie, it was the principle of the choices some people made that cut me the deepest."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/381 ... m-proceeds
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skatingfan ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 6:08 pmWow
I know right - the whole white saviour thing has gotten more attention in the past few years, and made the movie kind of feel icky, but now it's just a downright not going to ever watch it again.
by Owendonovan Not just a white savior, but a wealthy white savior. These people need a life sentence, so debased.
by
Omess It is a new season.
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by Owendonovan Aaaaaand, that's it for Aaron Rogers. I like watching Woody Johnson lose money and chances, and I never liked Rogers.
by ti-amie Word on the street is they're going after Stafford
by ponchi101 And what can the Jets offer the Rams for Stafford? Or is there another Stafford?
Not informed enough for this to make sense to me.
by ti-amie It's just word on the street now. None of the reliable sources are saying anything yet.
by ponchi101 Nick Chubb out with an injury so bad they would not show the replay.
Too bad. I really like the guy. I hope his career is not over.
by ponchi101 So. Sean Peyton. You got throttled for 70 points. Give some money back?
And I can't understand the Chargers' coach. Just can't.
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ti-amie I thought that you meant to post this in the CFB thread because no NFL team lets another team rack up 70 points against them and yet...
How much are the Broncos paying Sean Payton?
$18 million a year
According to NBC Sports' Peter King, Sean Payton's contract with the Broncos is for five years and “in the neighborhood of” $18 million a year. That number would make Payton the second-highest-paid coach in not just the NFL, but in all of American sports.6 Feb 2023
Sean Payton's Salary As Broncos Head Coach Revealed, per Report
si.com
https://www.si.com › nfl › 2023/02/06 › broncos-sean-p..
by ponchi101 About Payton.
Yes, he was a good coach. WHO HAD A HOF QB FOR ALL OF HIS TENURE in N.O. How come managers can't see that if he had a very good team, especially at that position, that will not translate to immediate success everywhere else? Just look at Belichick. Sure, HOF coach, because he had Brady. Nowadays, he is still a fine coach, but he cannot throw, run or catch the ball.
Popovich in the NBA. A superb coach. That has done nothing since Tim, Tony, Manu and Kawhi departed.
Coaches: they take too much blame, and too much credit.
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ptmcmahon ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:18 pm
So. Sean Peyton. You got throttled for 70 points. Give some money back?
And I can't understand the Chargers' coach. Just can't.
Is there any job where people have to give money back? If a player does badly, should they give money back?
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ponchi101 ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 1:22 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:18 pm
So. Sean Peyton. You got throttled for 70 points. Give some money back?
And I can't understand the Chargers' coach. Just can't.
Is there any job where people have to give money back? If a player does badly, should they give money back?
He boasted a little bit. Ergo my comment.
But you are right.
by Fastbackss I love the theory that McDaniel intentionally went after the Broncos because he grew up wanting to work there and they refused to let him interview.
(Also that he didn't kick the last FG which would have tied the record for most ever because just more fun to have 70 in general)
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ptmcmahon Ha ha yup. All it takes to hang 70 in the NFL is a coach upset about missing an interview
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ti-amie
I was watching on the Red Zone and figured WTH I'll finish the game and put on CBS. Best sports decision I've made in a long time. I don't usually watch full games anymore but this was just a beautiful game to watch. The Eagles didn't panic, they played smart, and Hurts cake walked into the end zone to finish the game.
Great game.
You don't know how many times I had to go back and correct this because I kept typing "match" instead of "game"
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ti-amie BYE BYE BILL Bill Belichick ‘to leave New England Patriots at end of season’ after 24 years in charge following disastrous run
The decision was reportedly made over a month ago
Anthony Wood
Published: 18:25 ET, Dec 12 2023Updated: 9:20 ET, Dec 13 2023
BILL Belichick's 24-year run with the New England Patriots is reportedly nearing its end.
Having led the Patriots to a 3-10 record so far in 2023, it seems that the legendary head coach could see his tenure in Foxboro end with back-to-back losing seasons.
This follows comments made by Patriots reporter Tom Curran on NBC Sports Boston on Monday.
He claimed that he had heard "that a decision was made" following their loss to the Indianapolis Colts in Germany on November 12.
Curran continued: "They were going to play out the string, and at the end of the year there would be a parting of the ways, for a variety of reasons.
"I think, and I wasn't told this specifically, but the main one being: You don't fire Bill Belichick during the season."
Curran went on to state that the multi-year contract extension Belichick had reportedly signed last offseason is only valid through next season.
And despite New England's recent win against the Pittsburgh Steelers during Thursday Night Football, Curran remained confident that the writing was on the wall.
In fact, issues behind the scenes in New England go back six years, according to Curran.
He claimed problems began "When Tom Brady and Bill Belichick got into a p***ing contest over territory, and what Brady would be allowed to do (in terms of growing his brand) and what Bill wanted them to do."
After six Super Bowl wins with Belichick and the Patriots in 20 years, Brady wound up leaving as a free agent in 2020.
He subsequently signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, where he won his seventh ring before retiring in 2023.
Last month, Brady appeared to defend Belichick on his Let's Go! podcast when discussing the Patriots' struggles, explaining that they cannot be down to just one person.
"The more I sit back and watch, everyone wants to celebrate when you win as an organization; everyone's responsible," he said.
"And the same's true, everyone's responsible when you lose, too. Everyone can't be on the bus when you win and be off the bus when you lose and [say], 'Let's point the finger at one person.'
"When you look at losing, the whole organization loses, the fan base loses; everyone's in it together. It's hard to get it right. And when you get it right you should really appreciate it."
The U.S. Sun has reached out to the Patriots for comment.
https://www.the-sun.com/sport/9848446/b ... -patriots/
by Fastbackss Well the end of that Lions/Cowboys game was something.
Cowboys up , Lions with ball. Lions throw INT.
Classic Cowboys mismanagement of time (hi Mike McCarthy) and lions get ball back with roughly 70 seconds left.
They easily drive down field and score with 23 seconds to go.
Extra point to tie it - but Dan Campbell is aggressive - goes for two and the win. Throw to offensive lineman for score - but - allegedly he didn't declare self eligible. Penalty. Surely they're going to kick now.
Nope, go for it again - draw Dallas offsides.
Third time, now from the four, and comes up short. Dallas wins and runs the table at home.
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ptmcmahon In his press conference Dan Campbell said they explained to ref what they would do before the game. Which... doesn't mean you don't have to do it during the play.
He even then said the one who caught it didn't report. Everyone is mad at refs like always, but the Lions are even admitting they made the mistake.
I never thought for a second they wouldn't go for two on any of the three plays. They went for it everytime they could during the game, not sure how anyone can think Campbell wasn't going to go for it
They had it on the third play but Goff underthrew the ball badly, but they should have won it right there.
McCarthy meanwhile keeps us scratching his head.
It's probably not really a "bad" loss for Lions as they had little shot at #1 anyway, and this proved they can (and should have) beaten the team that's been unbeatable at home this year.
Side note, all three of my fantasy teams had CD Lamb so I was loving the game.
by Fastbackss Ptc - there are countless videos of 68 going up to the ref. The ref even nods at him. There's an angle where you see Goff push 68 out of the huddle, telling him to report. He then walks up to the ref.
I had to listen to Campbell's presser twice. He doesn't say 68 didn't report. He is saying that is what the refs told him.
There's a tweet that sums it up well - basically he heard 68 but assumed 70 because he also came up, said something, and had been for much of the game
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ti-amie Fastbackss wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:46 am
Well the end of that Lions/Cowboys game was something.
Cowboys up , Lions with ball. Lions throw INT.
Classic Cowboys mismanagement of time (hi Mike McCarthy) and lions get ball back with roughly 70 seconds left.
They easily drive down field and score with 23 seconds to go.
Extra point to tie it - but Dan Campbell is aggressive - goes for two and the win. Throw to offensive lineman for score - but - allegedly he didn't declare self eligible. Penalty. Surely they're going to kick now.
Nope, go for it again - draw Dallas offsides.
Third time, now from the four, and comes up short. Dallas wins and runs the table at home.
I just saw the score and wondered what happened. SMH
by ti-amie
The defense won the game giving Stroud a lot of time to avoid being hit.
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ptmcmahon "Gonna" be alright? He already is
They showed one graphic during the game. He had only the third season in history where a qb both led the league in yard per game + also the best TD to INT ratio. The others ? Joe Montana in an MVP + Super Bowl season. And Tom Brady in the almost perfect season.
Did anyone else watching the Dolphins game feel like they just didn't care if they won in the fourth quarter? It seems like every year in playoffs, there is at least one game where the losing team takes their time and does a better job of running out the clock than the winning team. Then again, maybe they just wanted to get out of the cold!
by ponchi101 Couldn't watch any game, but I am indeed surprised at how good this kid is. And seems poised. Houston may end up in a much better place than when they traded Watson.
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ti-amie ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 10:24 am
"Gonna" be alright? He already is
They showed one graphic during the game. He had only the third season in history where a qb both led the league in yard per game + also the best TD to INT ratio. The others ? Joe Montana in an MVP + Super Bowl season. And Tom Brady in the almost perfect season.
Did anyone else watching the Dolphins game feel like they just didn't care if they won in the fourth quarter? It seems like every year in playoffs, there is at least one game where the losing team takes their time and does a better job of running out the clock than the winning team. Then again, maybe they just wanted to get out of the cold!
I honestly expected more from Tua. I hadn't had a chance to really watch him since during the season I only watch the Red Zone. Did they have a chance to come to KC and work out in the cold or did they treat it like a regular game? All that to say I think they were "Florida Dreaming" on such a winter day.
As for Stroud he's making me root for a Texas team. If you get a chance read his back story. He's one of the few people that when he goes all "Jesus" it doesn't bother me. If that's what has gotten him to this point in his life so be it.
I first saw him I think last week. It seems all the professional comms picked Cleveland because a rookie coach and rookie QB would lose their nerve. As it turned out the defense protected him by roving and romping all over the field sacking and picking off Flacco at will while Stroud was chillin' on the bench. IF Cleveland had made better use of Amari Cooper...but they didn't.
by ti-amie Let's be real. What team actually suited up as Dallas because right now Jordan Love is playing in their faces.
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New England Nitemare ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 10:49 pm
Let's be real. What team actually suited up as Dallas because right now Jordan Love is playing in their faces.
Green Bay is kicking butt, and they are making it look too easy!!!
by Fastbackss I want to see more of the suite today.
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ti-amie Fastbackss wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 11:32 pm
I want to see more of the suite today.
That was a great catch by the cameraperson wasn't it?
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ti-amie New England Nitemare wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 10:57 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 10:49 pm
Let's be real. What team actually suited up as Dallas because right now Jordan Love is playing in their faces.
Green Bay is kicking butt, and they are making it look too easy!!!
I think they're also taking names. What a terrible outing by Dallas. I wanted a game!
by ptmcmahon This is probably my favorite football game since our last Super Bowl win.
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ti-amie ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:05 am
This is probably my favorite football game since our last Super Bowl win.
I thought you might like this
by patrick Can not wait for Stephen A to do his Dallas routine. This year he has Shannon on the same page
by Fastbackss Skip was already whining on X
Stephen A has already had a big week with his evisceration on Jason Whitlock. As great as that was I can't wait to see him with the cowboy hat and cigar
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Fastbackss Fastbackss wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:32 am
Skip was already whining on X
Stephen A has already had a big week with his evisceration on Jason Whitlock. As great as that was I can't wait to see him with the cowboy hat and cigar
Lol, he's already posted his "get ready for first take" video
https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/statu ... fNpw&s=19
by Fastbackss I like to think that the screw-up by the refs in the Lions Cowboys game came around as karma. Dem Boyz got slapped around, and in the process made it possible for the Lions to get a 2nd home game (which they did).
I had a chance to meet friends downtown to watch the game last night but had a family obligation (not to mention the wind chill was -15).
As for next weekend...hmm...
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ti-amie Fastbackss wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:37 am
I like to think that the screw-up by the refs in the Lions Cowboys game came around as karma. Dem Boyz got slapped around, and in the process made it possible for the Lions to get a 2nd home game (which they did).
I had a chance to meet friends downtown to watch the game last night but had a family obligation (not to mention the wind chill was -15).
As for next weekend...hmm...
I hope you get to go! No matter what happens it's an historic game for the Lions.
by
ti-amie Ars Technica
@arstechnica
First streaming-only NFL Playoff game breaks records with 23 million viewers
Despite griping from fans, the Peacock-exclusive game did NFL-class numbers.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/0
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ti-amie I had it in my head that the Bills vs Steelers game was at 8:15.
The law of karma works in the NFL too.
There was a bad call where the Bills were denied a fumble reception because reasons. Pittsburgh proceeded to march down the field and were about to score when their QB threw an interception.
Sometimes you just have to let things play out.
by ti-amie AND Josh Allen just ran a 52 yard TD from scrimmage.
Time for Tomlin to start worrying.
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Fastbackss ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:37 pm
AND Josh Allen just ran a 52 yard TD from scrimmage.
Time for Tomlin to start worrying.
The "pretend slide" was impressive
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ti-amie Fastbackss wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:27 am
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:37 pm
AND Josh Allen just ran a 52 yard TD from scrimmage.
Time for Tomlin to start worrying.
The "pretend slide" was impressive
by Fastbackss I know it's early but if Philly loses it would make for a great two-step.
Looking forward to Patricia getting pilloried because this D is atrocious ever sense he came on board
by ptmcmahon That may have been the worst tackling I've seen in any football game ever. Including college, my high school days etc. Yikes.
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Fastbackss ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:17 am
That may have been the worst tackling I've seen in any football game ever. Including college, my high school days etc. Yikes.
I was giggling like a schoolgirl on every terrible effort.
This was my fav of many comments online I saw about it
by ti-amie On Mastodon they were screaming for Siriano's head non stop.
by ti-amie Brock Purdy trolling the red carpet/pap walk all players have to go through now.
by ponchi101 You lose by 3.
But you went for it on 4th down twice, instead of kicking two field goals. And you did not make it.
I just don't get it.
by ptmcmahon Because if they make it even one of those two times and get a touchdown they get 7 points, more than two field goals.
They also had a fourth down touchdown as well. Can't only talk about the failed fourth downs and ignore the made ones.
Also, both field goals would have been at least 46 yards and given both teams kicking woes this season you can hardly guarantee one or both would have been successful.
by ponchi101 In football, I feel that the misses are more important than the makes. You have to go for the high percentages, especially in a CONF final, an elimination game. Against a defense like SFO, letting those FG's go ended up being too much.
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ptmcmahon True to a point… but like usual it’s only a talking point when it doesn’t work. If they make both of those and win going for it in fourth down isn’t a talking point at all
For the most part coaches can only be questioned for plays that don’t work and don’t get much credit when the risky calls work.
I’ll have to find the video I just watched recently about the other extreme - the most cowardly punts ever - for example down 1 with 8 to play on opponents 35 on a fourth and one I think it was.
The real funny part was how many of the games they wind up winning.
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ptmcmahon Also worth pointing out, KC and Baltimore were a combined 3-4 on fourth down
KC had a fourth and two conversion on their first drive, then scored the opening touchdown. Next drive Baltimore converted a 4th and 1 (on their own 34!) and then scored a touchdown.
These were both in the first ten minutes of the game too.
But people in the media only draw attention to it when it doesn't work. Coaches can only do things wrong sometimes
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ptmcmahon And that’s why you go for it on fourth down sometimes. Field goal would have tied it… but they go for it,
Convert, and have the lead now.
Moody misses the extra point of course as well. Although earlier he set a record with longest super bowl field goal ever.
A record he held for less than half a game
by ti-amie I'm not a fan of defense dominated games. I love offense. That said I wasn't bored at all and when SF left so much time on the board in OT I felt that the only way KC loses is if someone drops the ball or commits a major penalty.
At the end they were comparing Mahomes/Reid to Jordan. High praise indeed.
by ptmcmahon With the new overtime rule KC were guaranteed a possession of however long they needed. SF didn’t leave them with too much time in ot.
That said in that situation it probably would’ve made sense to kick off so when they had the ball they’d know what they needed. But who knows how different it turns out.
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ti-amie ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:23 am
With the new overtime rule KC were guaranteed a possession of however long they needed. SF didn’t leave them with too much time in ot.
That said in that situation it probably would’ve made sense to kick off so when they had the ball they’d know what they needed. But who knows how different it turns out.
Ah I forgot about the new rules. Without them SF would be Super Bowl champions if I remember correctly?
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Fastbackss ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:23 am
With the new overtime rule KC were guaranteed a possession of however long they needed. SF didn’t leave them with too much time in ot.
That said in that situation it probably would’ve made sense to kick off so when they had the ball they’d know what they needed. But who knows how different it turns out.
The time was immaterial with the new rules. If the time had elapsed a new "quarter" would have started
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ptmcmahon ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 9:04 am
ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:23 am
With the new overtime rule KC were guaranteed a possession of however long they needed. SF didn’t leave them with too much time in ot.
That said in that situation it probably would’ve made sense to kick off so when they had the ball they’d know what they needed. But who knows how different it turns out.
Ah I forgot about the new rules. Without them SF would be Super Bowl champions if I remember correctly?
Actually the previous playoff rules were same as the current regular season rules - so an opening drive field goal would not end the game ... only a TD. They changed the rules then just for playoffs to make sure each team was guaranteed a possession.
You'd have to go back two sets of overtime rules for that to be a SF win
Still that's got to be a crazy thing to get to claim. You were winning the Super Bowl in overtime... and lost
by ti-amie First in a series...
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ti-amie Part 2 of 2
How Kyle Shanahan's 49ers lost the Super Bowl after winning the OT coin flip
Dan Wetzel
Columnist
Mon, Feb 12, 2024, 2:13 PM EST
LAS VEGAS — The overtime coin flip came up tails, and San Francisco head coach Kyle Shanahan faced a decision never before made in Super Bowl history.
The NFL’s new playoff rule called for each team to get the ball at least once in overtime. That meant Shanhahan’s 49ers had the option to take the ball first or kick it off to Kansas City and bat second — either by KC kickoff after a score, a punt or a turnover.
He chose to take the ball.
He should have chosen to go second, not merely because Kansas City eventually turned a 19-19 tie into a 25-22 Super Bowl victory.
For San Francisco, the coin-flip decision was the culmination of a disastrous second half that led to its second consecutive crushing Super Bowl defeat to the Chiefs after leading by double digits.
To say there is a definitive answer — especially analytically — would be ridiculous. It’s a scenario that had never before occurred. Still, Shanahan's 49ers should've been prepared to make it, and multiple players admitted after the game that they didn't know the new overtime rules.
Shanahan’s decision will be picked apart like many others in this defeat: getting away from the run game that could have killed clock, the inability of the offense to do much of anything in the early third quarter and the fact that Shanahan now has three brutal Super Bowl defeats — two in San Francisco plus a blown 28-3 lead to New England when he was the offensive coordinator in Atlanta.
By choosing to receive rather than kick, Shanahan allowed the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes to get the ball with more information to factor into their play-calling. It also meant less data for him.
When San Francisco drove down the field, it did not know that Kansas City would eventually score a touchdown. It’s why Shanahan said he “never thought about” going for it on fourth-and-4. Instead, the Niners kicked a field goal.
That meant Kansas City knew it needed to score and would never consider punting as an option.
As such, when the Chiefs faced fourth-and-1 from their own 34-yard line, they went for it. Had that same scenario played out on the first drive of overtime, Kansas City would've almost assuredly punted and allowed San Francisco to win it with a field goal.
Instead, Mahomes made a clever 8-yard run, and the drive rolled on until it found Lombardi Trophy paydirt.
Shanahan was left trying to explain his thinking.
“None of us have a ton of experience with it,” he said. “But we went through all the analytics and talked to those guys. We just thought it would be better. We wanted the ball third. If both teams matched and scored, we wanted to be the ones who had the chance to go win.”
His thinking was that if both teams were either forced to punt, kicked a field goal or scored a touchdown, then San Francisco would have the chance to score and win on the third possession. (Under the rules, Kansas City would not be assured another chance.) Shanahan said giving his defense a rest didn’t play into the decision.
“Our biggest thing is we knew both teams were going to get the ball at least once, so we wanted to make sure if we won the toss, we would be the team that got it the third time,” Shanahan said.
It’s not completely lacking in reasoning, but it is to defer an advantage three possessions into the future.
That means getting there … against Patrick Mahomes.
Allowing the Chiefs to go for it on fourth down was akin to a turnover. It was a second chance for the most dangerous late-game quarterback in the game, and he burned them for it. The decision also allowed Kansas City to make second- and third-down calls throughout the drive knowing it would have an extra play. It incalculably changed the decision-making.
And even under Shanahan’s scenario of getting the ball third if both teams scored, that would be the case only if the Chiefs were held to a field goal. If San Francisco had scored a touchdown and Kansas City responded, head coach Andy Reid would have had the option of winning the game with a 2-point conversion.
Shanahan essentially gave all the power and all the advantage of winning the coin flip to Kansas City for the first two possessions of the game and needed a specific result to get to the point of the game to regain it.
“[We] got that field goal, so [we] knew we had to hold them to at least a field goal, and if we did, we thought it was in our hands after that,” Shanahan said.
Not surprisingly, Mahomes and Co. never gave him the chance.
https://sports.yahoo.com/kyle-shanahans ... 26345.html
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ptmcmahon I will never understand how coaches make these obviously wrong decisions in those scenarios ... or don't know the rules.
Meanwhile I'm on the couch saying "clearly whoever wins toss should choose to kick" and I can explain the overtime rules to others I'm with. As soon as SF say they want the ball I immediately know it's a mistake.
Never makes sense to me
And college football has the guaranteed possessions for both teams... so they cant say they aren't aware of the strategy of this.
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ptmcmahon And for fun I asked my son last night (who was only allowed to stay up until halftime
) what he would do if he won the coin toss in overtime. He looked at me like it was a trick question and said "Well, of course you would kick so they have the ball first. You'd be dumb not to."
by ptmcmahon Ahhh... the old ignorance defense. Still mind boggling that there could be players that actually ... just don't pay any attention to rules? It was a huge deal after the Buffalo - KC game a few years ago and the rule was changed.
by ponchi101 Third year in a row that Cincy drops their first game, against a team that is scheduled to go nowhere.
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ti-amie De Santis Florida.
“This morning, WR Tyreek Hill was pulled over for a traffic incident about one block from the stadium and briefly detained by police,” the team’s X account said in a post. “He has since been released. Several teammates saw the incident and stopped to offer support. Tyreek and all other players involved have safely arrived to the stadium and will be available for today’s game.”
https://nbcnews.com/sports/nfl/dolphins ... rcna170112
by ponchi101 A man in a Lambo is told to get off his car and thrown on the ground, and handcuffed.
The problem (one of the problems) is that there is so little so say. Because everybody knows why.
by ptmcmahon Side note that must be crazy to be a Dolphins fan walking to game and then seeing him on the ground.
All I've heard was he wasn't wearing his seatbelt...
by ptmcmahon Scary seeing Tua get concussed last night again. Quite the unfortunate coincidence it came on a hit from Hamlin too.
After what happened a couple of years ago when he returned quickly... I'm sort of hoping we don't see Tua come back this season.
by ponchi101 The Raiders head coach is saying he would recommend retirement.
Not a ridiculous idea.
by ponchi101 Time to fire the Bengals head coach?
Ok, you lost to the Chiefs and the Ravens, but you lost to them at home.
And your sole win is against the Panthers. By 3 points (IIRC), when Chicago just creamed today.
And you have Burrows, Chase and Higgins.
And in 5 of the last six years your team has started 0-2.
I don't know.
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ptmcmahon I've always been less on the "fire the coach" side of things. Has he made any mistakes that have cost them the game? They would've beaten last year's #1 seed in the AFC if they hadn't bungled a snap on a field goal in overtime. (Well maybe!) That's not the coach's fault. I've seen most of their games this year and haven't seen anything I would blame him for. The last three years they went to Super Bowl, AFC title game (and easily could have won) and were 9-8 last year with the franchise QB hurt. About 27-28 teams would love for that to be the summary of their last 3 years.
They also lost to the Chiefs (barely) and Commanders, who so far have looked like two of the top three teams this year. No shame in that.
The Patriots loss is hard to defend though
Cincinnati have always started slow, and somehow seem to right the ship so I wouldn't be too quick to say fire the coach. Some teams almost seem like September is their pre-season. Chase holding out certainly didn't help.
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ptmcmahon 
Technically Minnesota is #1 actually. One of the top two is going to drop this week though (barring a tie)
by ponchi101 That is the reason I picked DEN at 4 in the challenge. Because I have no idea of who wins the MIN/DET game.
I'll go with Minnesota because of home field.
by Owendonovan Deshaun Watson's season is over after Browns QB suffers ruptured Achilles vs. Bengals
Anyone upset about this anywhere?
by ponchi101 I still don't think that cheering an athlete's injuries is proper.
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Owendonovan ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 12:00 pm
I still don't think that cheering an athlete's injuries is proper.
It's a weird bit of radio silence here in the US. He's considered as much an overpaid football player here as he is a sexual predator, who has been getting away with both. It's an odd moment in American football where seemingly most football fans feel bad in some way for the Browns fans.
by ponchi101 He is radioactive, for sure. First, he, and now Prescott, are walking proofs that this "guaranteed" salary idea is insane. No "real schmoe" goes to work with a guaranteed salary.
And his personal life is far from exemplary. But, he remains free and you know my opinion: I don't want the leagues to be disciplinary boards. That is what the law is there for.
So, yes, the Browns' fans are in a bind. It is good that he might be gone of the team now. But as I said above, not because of an injury. The coach should have sat him down a while back.
by ptmcmahon Score last night as one the cases where maybe should go with the analytics. Down 7, Tampa get a touchdown with 30 seconds left. They decide to just kick the extra point and go to overtime. Lose the coin toss, never touch the ball again.
Had they gone for two and missed, lots of people would have been upset and said it was the wrong choice. But definitely looks like it would be the decision to go with - give yourself the chance to win or lose instead of hoping to win a coin toss.
The thing I found really weird was even Troy Aikman (who seems to be super conservative normally and anti anything analytics) even was suggesting that Tampa go for two. Although his main argument seemed to be that it was because Tampa was the road team. Going for two likely the better choice regardless of if you are home or not!
by ponchi101 What is TB's conversion rate of 2 points? What is KC's allowance of such 2 points?
They go for two points and miss, and idiots like me say "Why? Give yourself a chance in OT". Go for 2 and make it and everybody says the coach is a genius.
And that would have still given Mahones 30 seconds to do something.
I think that it is better to tie the game and have that OT. But I have always said that the rules of the NFL are wrong. You don't play a sudden death OT. You play the 10 minutes. TD or not, the second team has to get a chance to play too.
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ptmcmahon I agree with half the statement. if they go for it and miss people say the coach is an idiot. They make it and people just say "well of course they went for it, that was the right play." Coaches usually can only do wrong
Of course in this case they are calling the coach an idiot for not going. Coaches can't win!
KC having 30 seconds left was definitely a misplay by TB actually. They called timeout with 30 seconds left instead of running down the clock a bit more. Definitely a panic timeout call I suspect. And despite it being tied KC still played that last 30 seconds hard anyway going for the win. So rightfully didn't stop KC from trying just because it was a tie.
We can't really look at the 2 point conversion rates for these specific teams this year. Sample size is just not big enough for it to be relevant. I believe Tampa have gone for 2 only three times for example. The best I can tell from research is that overall it's probably about a 55% chance to convert, so we pretty much should just consider it 50/50.
The overtime rules being what they are is why I more strongly favor going for it there. If overtime was a "both teams have the ball" situation then going for 1 makes more sense if you know you will get a chance.
