Talk About Tennis 2.0 • WTA 1000 ATP 1000 Miami 3/21

by ti-amie Tournament: Miami Open presented by Itaú
Location: Miami, Florida, United States
Dates: March 21 - April 2, 2023
Level: WTA 1000
Total Financial Commitment: $8,800,000
Surface: Hard (outdoor)

Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Iga Swiatek 1 1
2 Aryna Sabalenka 2 2
3 Jessica Pegula 3 3
4 Ons Jabeur 4 4
5 Caroline Garcia 5 5
6 Coco Gauff 6 6
7 Maria Sakkari 7 7
8 Daria Kasatkina 8 8
9 Belinda Bencic 9 9
10 Elena Rybakina 10 10
11 Veronika Kudermetova 11 11
12 Beatriz Haddad Maia 12 12
13 Liudmila Samsonova 13 13
14 Victoria Azarenka 14 14
15 Petra Kvitova 15 15
16 Ekaterina Alexandrova 16 16
17 Karolina Pliskova 18 18
18 Paula Badosa 19 19
19 Jelena Ostapenko 20 20
20 Magda Linette 21 21
21 Shuai Zhang 22 22
22 Madison Keys 23 23
23 Qinwen Zheng 24 24
24 Martina Trevisan 25 25
25 Marie Bouzkova 26 26
26 Anett Kontaveit 27 27
27 Petra Martic 28 28
28 Anastasia Potapova 29 29
29 Barbora Krejcikova 30 30
30 Donna Vekic 31 31
31 Jil Teichmann 32 32
32 Anhelina Kalinina 33 33
Amanda Anisimova 35 35
Bianca Andreescu 36 36
Leylah Fernandez 37 37
Elise Mertens 38 38
Irina-Camelia Begu 39 39
Danielle Collins 40 40
Sloane Stephens 41 41
Lin Zhu 42 42
Aliaksandra Sasnovich 43 43
Bernarda Pera 44 44
Shelby Rogers 45 45
Yulia Putintseva 46 46
Katerina Siniakova 47 47
Kaia Kanepi 48 48
Lauren Davis 49 49
Linda Noskova 50 50
Alycia Parks 51 51
Linda Fruhvirtova 52 52
Mayar Sherif 53 53
Elisabetta Cocciaretto 54 54
Marta Kostyuk 55 55
Anna Kalinskaya 56 56
Claire Liu 57 57
Alison Riske-Amritraj 58 58
Alizé Cornet 60 60
Camila Osorio 61 61
Xiyu Wang 62 62
Danka Kovinic 63 63
Jasmine Paolini 64 64
Lucia Bronzetti 65 65
Xinyu Wang 67 67
Camila Giorgi 68 68
Jule Niemeier 69 69
Sorana Cirstea 70 70
Anna Blinkova 71 71
Tatjana Maria 72 72
Alison Van Uytvanck 73 73
Rebecca Marino 74 74
Ana Bogdan 75 75
Marketa Vondrousova 103 32 (SR)
Sofia Kenin 176 4 (SR)
Evgeniya Rodina 428 73 (SR)
Patricia Maria Tig 694 65 (SR)
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Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Anna Bondar 76 76
2 Maryna Zanevska 78 78
3 Nuria Parrizas Diaz 79 79
4 Madison Brengle 80 80
5 Emma Raducanu 81 81
6 Tamara Korpatsch 82 82
7 Dalma Galfi 83 83
8 Kateryna Baindl 84 84
9 Taylor Townsend 127 84 (SR)
10 Viktorija Golubic 85 85
11 Cristina Bucsa 86 86
12 Anna Karolina Schmiedlova 88 88
13 Varvara Gracheva 89 89
14 Diana Shnaider 90 90
15 Kristina Kucova 341 90 (SR)
16 Panna Udvardy 91 91
17 Caty Mcnally 92 92
18 Rebeka Masarova 93 93
19 Julia Grabher 94 94
20 Ysaline Bonaventure 95 95

by ti-amie Tournament: Miami Open presented by Itau
Location: Miami, FL, U.S.A.
Dates: March 22 - April 02 2023
Level: ATP M1000
Surface: Hard (outdoor)
Prize Money: $8,800,000
Total Financial Commitment: $10,155,105

Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Novak Djokovic 1 1
2 Carlos Alcaraz 2 2
3 Stefanos Tsitsipas 3 3
4 Casper Ruud 4 4
5 Andrey Rublev 5 5
6 Rafael Nadal 6 6
7 Taylor Fritz 7 7
8 Daniil Medvedev 8 8
9 Felix Auger-Aliassime 9 9
10 Holger Rune 10 10
11 Hubert Hurkacz 11 11
12 Jannik Sinner 12 12
13 Cameron Norrie 13 13
14 Karen Khachanov 14 14
15 Frances Tiafoe 15 15
16 Alexander Zverev 16 16
17 Pablo Carreno Busta 17 17
18 Lorenzo Musetti 18 18
19 Nick Kyrgios 19 19
20 Borna Coric 20 20
21 Tommy Paul 21 21
22 Marin Cilic 22 22
23 Alex de Minaur 23 23
24 Matteo Berrettini 24 24
25 Grigor Dimitrov 25 25
26 Sebastian Korda 26 26
27 Denis Shapovalov 27 27
28 Roberto Bautista Agut 28 28
29 Daniel Evans 29 29
30 Miomir Kecmanovic 30 30
31 Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 31 31
32 Yoshihito Nishioka 32 32
Francisco Cerundolo 33 33
Botic van de Zandschulp 34 34
Sebastian Baez 35 35
John Isner 36 36
Maxime Cressy 37 37
Diego Schwartzman 38 38
J.J. Wolf 39 39
Tallon Griekspoor 40 40
David Goffin 41 41
Ben Shelton 42 42
Richard Gasquet 43 43
Jack Draper 44 44
Jenson Brooksby 45 45
Brandon Nakashima 46 46
Albert Ramos-Vinolas 47 47
Marc-Andrea Huesler 48 48
Mackenzie McDonald 49 49
Alexander Bublik 50 50
Emil Ruusuvuori 51 51
Jiri Lehecka 52 52
Constant Lestienne 53 53
Alex Molcan 54 54
Marcos Giron 55 55
Federico Coria 56 56
Laslo Djere 57 57
Gregoire Barrere 58 58
Pedro Cachin 59 59
Benjamin Bonzi 60 60
Yibing Wu 61 61
Adrian Mannarino 62 62
Bernabe Zapata Miralles 63 63
Quentin Halys 64 64
Corentin Moutet 65 65
Jaume Munar 66 66
Filip Krajinovic 67 67
Soonwoo Kwon 68 68
Mikael Ymer 69 69
Andy Murray 70 70
Lorenzo Sonego 71 71
Arthur Rinderknech 72 72
Roberto Carballes Baena 73 73
Jason Kubler 74 74
Tomas Martin Etcheverry 75 75
Pedro Martinez 76 76
Gael Monfils 208 35 (PR)
Kyle Edmund 548 48 (PR)
Guido Pella 729 75 (PR)
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Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Oscar Otte 77 77
2 Marton Fucsovics 78 78
3 Ilya Ivashka 79 79
4 Dusan Lajovic 80 80
5 Juan Pablo Varillas 81 81
6 Michael Mmoh 82 82
7 Thiago Monteiro 83 83
8 Alexei Popyrin 84 84
9 Ugo Humbert 85 85
10 Fabio Fognini 86 86
11 Facundo Bagnis 87 87
12 Daniel Elahi Galan 88 88
13 Jeremy Chardy 628 88 (PR)
14 Denis Kudla 89 89
15 Marco Cecchinato 90 90
16 Emilio Gomez 91 91
17 Zhizhen Zhang 92 92
18 Jordan Thompson 93 93
19 Christopher O'Connell 94 94
20 Daniel Altmaier 95 95

by ti-amie UPDATED ATP MD SINGLES ENTRY LISTS

Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Novak Djokovic 1 1
2 Carlos Alcaraz 2 2
3 Stefanos Tsitsipas 3 3
4 Casper Ruud 4 4
5 Taylor Fritz 5 7
6 Daniil Medvedev 6 8
7 Andrey Rublev 7 5
8 Holger Rune 8 10
9 Felix Auger-Aliassime 10 9
10 Hubert Hurkacz 11 11
11 Cameron Norrie 12 13
12 Jannik Sinner 13 12
13 Alexander Zverev 14 16
14 Karen Khachanov 15 14
15 Frances Tiafoe 16 15
16 Pablo Carreno Busta 17 17
17 Alex de Minaur 18 23
18 Tommy Paul 19 21
19 Borna Coric 20 20
20 Lorenzo Musetti 21 18
21 Matteo Berrettini 23 24
22 Grigor Dimitrov 25 25
23 Sebastian Korda 26 26
24 Roberto Bautista Agut 27 28
25 Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 28 31
26 Daniel Evans 29 29
27 Denis Shapovalov 30 27
28 Miomir Kecmanovic 31 30
29 Francisco Cerundolo 32 33
30 Botic van de Zandschulp 33 34
31 Yoshihito Nishioka 34 32
32 Sebastian Baez 35 35
Tallon Griekspoor 36 40
Maxime Cressy 37 37
Diego Schwartzman 38 38
John Isner 39 36
Ben Shelton 41 42
Bernabe Zapata Miralles 42 63
Richard Gasquet 43 43
J.J. Wolf 44 39
Benjamin Bonzi 45 60
Alexander Bublik 46 50
Jiri Lehecka 47 52
Brandon Nakashima 48 46
Albert Ramos-Vinolas 50 47
Marc-Andrea Huesler 51 48
Mackenzie McDonald 53 49
Laslo Djere 54 57
Andy Murray 55 70
Jack Draper 56 44
Mikael Ymer 57 69
Jaume Munar 58 66
Emil Ruusuvuori 59 51
Lorenzo Sonego 60 71
Tomas Martin Etcheverry 61 75
Constant Lestienne 62 53
Alex Molcan 63 54
Federico Coria 64 56
Gregoire Barrere 65 58
Pedro Cachin 66 59
Yibing Wu 67 61
Adrian Mannarino 68 62
Dusan Lajovic 71 80
Arthur Rinderknech 72 72
Marcos Giron 73 55
Filip Krajinovic 74 67
Jason Kubler 75 74
Juan Pablo Varillas 76 81
Thiago Monteiro 78 83
Roberto Carballes Baena 79 73
Quentin Halys 81 64
Oscar Otte 82 77
Michael Mmoh 83 82
Marton Fucsovics 84 78
Ilya Ivashka 85 79
(WC) Dominic Thiem 102
Pedro Martinez 120 76
Gael Monfils 210 35 (PR)
Kyle Edmund 545 48 (PR)
Guido Pella 739 75 (PR)
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Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Alexei Popyrin 101 84
2 Ugo Humbert 77 85
3 Fabio Fognini 88 86
4 Facundo Bagnis 96 87
5 Daniel Elahi Galan 89 88
6 Jeremy Chardy 627 88 (PR)
7 Denis Kudla 90 89
8 Marco Cecchinato 91 90
9 Emilio Gomez 92 91
10 Zhizhen Zhang 93 92
11 Jordan Thompson 87 93
12 Christopher O'Connell 86 94
13 Daniel Altmaier 98 95

Withdrawals
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

Rafael Nadal 9 6
Nick Kyrgios 22 19
Marin Cilic 24 22
David Goffin 40 41
Jenson Brooksby 49 45
Corentin Moutet 69 65
Soonwoo Kwon 70 68

by ti-amie ATP MD Singles Qualifying Entry Lists

Entries
Seed Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Ugo Humbert 77 89
2 Nuno Borges 80 85
3 Christopher O'Connell 86 92
4 Jordan Thompson 87 81
5 Fabio Fognini 88 82
6 Daniel Elahi Galan 89 83
7 Denis Kudla 90 88
8 Emilio Gomez 92 90
9 Zhizhen Zhang 93 93
10 Thanasi Kokkinakis 94 101
11 Cristian Garin 97 100
12 Daniel Altmaier 98 95
13 Alexei Popyrin 101 98
14 Taro Daniel 103 125
15 Aleksandar Kovacevic 107 121
16 Christopher Eubanks 108 105
17 Radu Albot 109 106
18 Roman Safiullin 113 109
19 James Duckworth 114 112
20 Matteo Arnaldi 115 111
21 Pavel Kotov 117 138
22 Nikoloz Basilashvili 118 113
23 Gijs Brouwer 119 114
24 Borna Gojo 121 127
Yosuke Watanuki 122 118
Camilo Ugo Carabelli 124 122
Tomas Machac 127 130
Rinky Hijikata 130 123
Alexander Shevchenko 132 119
Jan-Lennard Struff 134 136
Leandro Riedi 135 128
Yannick Hanfmann 136 153
Steve Johnson 137 131
Zizou Bergs 139 137
Timofey Skatov 140 134
Lukas Klein 143 140
Filip Misolic 146 145
Joao Sousa 148 147
Mattia Bellucci 150 150
Bradley Klahn 770 145 (PR)
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Alternates
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Jack Sock 154 154
2 Geoffrey Blancaneaux 155 155
3 Maximilian Marterer 156 156
4 Fernando Verdasco 157 157
5 Felipe Meligeni Alves 164 162
6 Tung-Lin Wu 175 163
7 Juncheng Shang 171 165
8 Flavio Cobolli 165 166
9 Elias Ymer 149 170
10 Kaichi Uchida 159 172
11 Dalibor Svrcina 181 178
12 Nicolas Moreno De Alboran 192 179
13 Renzo Olivo 176 180
14 Riccardo Bonadio 182 182
15 Luciano Darderi 180 184
16 Alejandro Tabilo 187 186
17 Emilio Nava 188 187
18 Andrea Pellegrino 189 190
19 Andrea Collarini 190 191
20 Aleksandar Vukic 186 194

Withdrawals
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking

Ilya Ivashka 85 80
Dominic Thiem 102 99
Francesco Passaro 116 110

by ti-amie Doubles Entry Lists

Entries
Seed* Names Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Wesley Koolhof / Neal Skupski 2 2
2 Rajeev Ram / Joe Salisbury 7 7
3 Marcelo Arevalo / Jean-Julien Rojer 12 12
4 Nikola Mektic / Mate Pavic 13 13
5 Ivan Dodig / Austin Krajicek 19 19
6 Lloyd Glasspool / Harri Heliovaara 23 23
7 Marcel Granollers / Horacio Zeballos 29 29
8 Hugo Nys / Jan Zielinski 33 33
Juan Sebastian Cabal / Robert Farah 47 47
Rohan Bopanna / Matthew Ebden 52 52
Hubert Hurkacz / John Isner 53 31
Kevin Krawietz / Fabrice Martin 54 54
Santiago Gonzalez / Edouard Roger-Vasselin 54 54
Jamie Murray / Michael Venus 55 55
Rafael Matos / David Vega Hernandez 55 55
Maximo Gonzalez / Andres Molteni 64 64
Rinky Hijikata / Jason Kubler 68 68
Robin Haase / Matwe Middelkoop 69 69
Simone Bolelli / Fabio Fognini 74 74
Marcelo Melo / John Peers 85 85
Alexander Erler / Lucas Miedler 85 85
Nathaniel Lammons / Jackson Withrow 86 86
Maxime Cressy / Andreas Mies 90 55
Mackenzie McDonald / Botic van de Zandschulp 217 86
Tommy Paul / Ben Shelton 337 60
Alexander Bublik / Miomir Kecmanovic 374 77
Pablo Carreno Busta / Jaume Munar 521 75
Pedro Cachin / Francisco Cerundolo 622 98
Sebastian Baez / Tomas Martin Etcheverry 1057 96
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Alternates (Advanced)
Names Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Sander Gille / Joran Vliegen 101 101
2 Sadio Doumbia / Fabien Reboul 102 102
3 Tomislav Brkic / Gonzalo Escobar 106 106
4 Benjamin Bonzi / Arthur Rinderknech 284 117
5 Nicolas Barrientos / Ariel Behar 118 118
6 Andrey Golubev / Aleksandr Nedovyesov 127 127
7 Julian Cash / Henry Patten 128 128
8 Andre Goransson / Ben McLachlan 133 133
9 Yuki Bhambri / Saketh Myneni 151 151
10 Ivan Sabanov / Matej Sabanov 181 181

by patrick Guess DeSantis told Djokovic not to withdraw yet

by Deuce Keeping his name there helps to sell tickets to the people who don't know what's going on.

by ashkor87

patrick wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:27 am Guess DeSantis told Djokovic not to withdraw yet

preparing a boat in Bahamas..

by ti-amie WEEK 1
19
sunday
MARCH

Women’s Singles Qualifying (48 Draw)

20
monday
MARCH

Women’s & Men’s Qualifying (48 Draw)

21
tuesday
MARCH

Men’s Singles Qualifying (48 Draw) / Women’s Singles 1st Round (96 Draw)

22
wednesday
MARCH

Women’s & Men’s Singles 1st Round (96 Draw)

https://www.miamiopen.com/tournament/schedule/

by ti-amie UPDATED ATP Singles Entry Lists

Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Carlos Alcaraz 2 2
2 Stefanos Tsitsipas 3 3
3 Casper Ruud 4 4
4 Taylor Fritz 5 7
5 Daniil Medvedev 6 8
6 Andrey Rublev 7 5
7 Holger Rune 8 10
8 Felix Auger-Aliassime 10 9
9 Hubert Hurkacz 11 11
10 Cameron Norrie 12 13
11 Jannik Sinner 13 12
12 Alexander Zverev 14 16
13 Karen Khachanov 15 14
14 Frances Tiafoe 16 15
15 Alex de Minaur 18 23
16 Tommy Paul 19 21
17 Borna Coric 20 20
18 Lorenzo Musetti 21 18
19 Matteo Berrettini 23 24
20 Grigor Dimitrov 25 25
21 Roberto Bautista Agut 27 28
22 Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 28 31
23 Daniel Evans 29 29
24 Denis Shapovalov 30 27
25 Miomir Kecmanovic 31 30
26 Francisco Cerundolo 32 33
27 Botic van de Zandschulp 33 34
28 Yoshihito Nishioka 34 32
29 Sebastian Baez 35 35
30 Maxime Cressy 37 37
31 Diego Schwartzman 38 38
32 John Isner 39 36
Ben Shelton 41 42
Bernabe Zapata Miralles 42 63
Richard Gasquet 43 43
J.J. Wolf 44 39
Alexander Bublik 46 50
Jiri Lehecka 47 52
Brandon Nakashima 48 46
Albert Ramos-Vinolas 50 47
Marc-Andrea Huesler 51 48
Mackenzie McDonald 53 49
Laslo Djere 54 57
Andy Murray 55 70
Jack Draper 56 44
Mikael Ymer 57 69
Jaume Munar 58 66
Emil Ruusuvuori 59 51
Lorenzo Sonego 60 71
Tomas Martin Etcheverry 61 75
Constant Lestienne 62 53
Alex Molcan 63 54
Federico Coria 64 56
Gregoire Barrere 65 58
Pedro Cachin 66 59
Yibing Wu 67 61
Adrian Mannarino 68 62
Dusan Lajovic 71 80
Arthur Rinderknech 72 72
Marcos Giron 73 55
Filip Krajinovic 74 67
Jason Kubler 75 74
Juan Pablo Varillas 76 81
Ugo Humbert 77 85
Thiago Monteiro 78 83
Roberto Carballes Baena 79 73
Quentin Halys 81 64
Oscar Otte 82 77
Marton Fucsovics 84 78
Ilya Ivashka 85 79
Fabio Fognini 88 86
Daniel Elahi Galan 89 88
Denis Kudla 90 89
Facundo Bagnis 96 87
Alexei Popyrin 101 84
(WC) Dominic Thiem 102
(WC) Taro Daniel 103
Pedro Martinez 120 76
(WC) Zizou Bergs 139
(WC) Juncheng Shang 171
(WC) Emilio Nava 188
Gael Monfils 210 35 (PR)
Kyle Edmund 545 48 (PR)
Guido Pella 739 75 (PR)
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Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Marco Cecchinato 91 90
2 Emilio Gomez 92 91
3 Zhizhen Zhang 93 92
4 Jordan Thompson 87 93
5 Christopher O'Connell 86 94
6 Daniel Altmaier 98 95
8 Roman Safiullin 113 97
9 Cristian Garin 97 98
10 Radu Albot 109 99
11 Thanasi Kokkinakis 94 100
12 Christopher Eubanks 108 102
13 Nuno Borges 80 103
14 Stan Wawrinka 100 105
15 Hugo Gaston 106 106
16 Juan Manuel Cerundolo 104 107

Withdrawals
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

Novak Djokovic 1 1
Rafael Nadal 9 6
Pablo Carreno Busta 17 17
Nick Kyrgios 22 19
Marin Cilic 24 22
Sebastian Korda 26 26
Tallon Griekspoor 36 40
David Goffin 40 41
Benjamin Bonzi 45 60
Jenson Brooksby 49 45
Corentin Moutet 69 65
Soonwoo Kwon 70 68

by ti-amie I guess that boat from the Bahamas didn't work out...

by ponchi101 He decided to take a boat from the Adriatic to Monaco. Get there well rested.

by ashkor87 The list of withdrawn players is impressive - as good as the list of confirmed players, if not better! Gives one pause...

by ponchi101 What is the matter with PCB? I have not read anything about him. And it is not as if he is no good on hard courts and does not want to go.

by skatingfan

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:57 pm What is the matter with PCB? I have not read anything about him. And it is not as if he is no good on hard courts and does not want to go.

Pablo Carreno Busta, the No. 15 seed at the BNP Paribas Open, has withdrawn from Indian Wells due to a nagging muscle injury.

https://www.desertsun.com/story/sports/ ... 997283007/

by ti-amie WTA Qualifying Draw

RUS V. Gracheva (1) vs HUN R. Jani
USA P. Stearns vs SWE R. Peterson (17)

USA C. McNally (2) vs UKR D. Yastremska
SRB O. Danilovic vs GER A. Friedsam (15)

USA K. Volynets (3) vs SLO K. Juvan
AUS S. Hunter vs AUS K. Birrell (23)

CZE K. Muchova (4) vs GBR H. Watson
SVK K. Kucova vs BRA L. Pigossi (18)

BEL Y. Bonaventure (5) vs SWE M. Bjorklund
ESP M. Bassols Ribera vs SLO T. Zidansek (22)

RUS K. Rakhimova (6) vs CAN K. Sebov
GBR J. Burrage vs ITA S. Errani (13)

ESP C. Bucsa (7) vs USA E. Navarro
USA W. Osuigwe vs SVK A. Schmiedlova (16)

BUL V. Tomova (8) vs USA K. Scott
USA T. Townsend vs SUI V. Golubic (14)

ESP R. Masarova (9) vs JPN N. Hibino
SUI Y. In-Albon vs POL M. Frech (19)

AUT J. Grabher (10) vs INA P. Nugroho
SUI S. Waltert vs CZE T. Martincova (21)

RUS D. Shnaider (11) vs GER L. Siegemund
RUS V. Zvonareva vs GER E. Lys (24)

UKR L. Tsurenko (12) vs USA C. Vandeweghe
GBR K. Swan vs GBR H. Dart (20)

by ti-amie Day 1 Qualifying OoP

Court 1
Starts at 11:00 AM

USA K. VOLYNETS (3) vs SLO K. JUVAN
FOLLOWED BY
CZE K. MUCHOVA (4) vs GBR H. WATSON
FOLLOWED BY
USA C. MCNALLY (2) vs UKR D. YASTREMSKA
FOLLOWED BY
USA T. TOWNSEND vs SUI V. GOLUBIC (14)

Court 7
Starts at 11:00 AM

BEL Y. BONAVENTURE (5) vs SWE M. BJORKLUND
FOLLOWED BY
ESP C. BUCSA (7) vs USA E. NAVARRO
FOLLOWED BY
RUS V. GRACHEVA (1) vs HUN R. JANI
FOLLOWED BY
BUL V. TOMOVA (8) vs USA K. SCOTT

Court 5
Starts at 11:00 AM

ESP R. MASAROVA (9) vs JPN N. HIBINO
FOLLOWED BY
GBR J. BURRAGE vs ITA S. ERRANI (13)
FOLLOWED BY
USA P. STEARNS vs SWE R. PETERSON (17)
NOT BEFORE 2:00 PM
RUS D. SHNAIDER (11) vs GER L. SIEGEMUND

Court 2
Starts at 11:00 AM

AUS S. HUNTER vs AUS K. BIRRELL (23)
FOLLOWED BY
SVK K. KUCOVA vs BRA L. PIGOSSI (18)
FOLLOWED BY
RUS V. ZVONAREVA vs GER E. LYS (24)

Court 3
Starts at 11:00 AM

AUT J. GRABHER (10) vs INA P. NUGROHO
FOLLOWED BY
ESP M. BASSOLS RIBERA vs SLO T. ZIDANSEK (22)
FOLLOWED BY
UKR L. TSURENKO (12) vs USA C. VANDEWEGHE

Court 6
Starts at 11:00 AM

SUI Y. IN-ALBON vs POL M. FRECH (19)
FOLLOWED BY
RUS K. RAKHIMOVA (6) vs CAN K. SEBOV
FOLLOWED BY
GBR K. SWAN vs GBR H. DART (20)

Court 4
Starts at 11:00 AM

SUI S. WALTERT vs CZE T. MARTINCOVA (21)
FOLLOWED BY
USA W. OSUIGWE vs SVK A. SCHMIEDLOVA (16)
FOLLOWED BY
SRB O. DANILOVIC vs GER A. FRIEDSAM (15)

by ti-amie WTA MD Singles

POL I. Swiatek (1)/BYE
CZE K. Siniakova vs USA C. Liu
Qualifier vs MNE D. Kovinic
BYE/ITA M. Trevisan (25)

LAT J. Ostapenko (24)/BYE
ITA J. Paolini vs Qualifier
GER T. Korpatsch vs Qualifier
BYE/BRA B. Haddad Maia (13)

KAZ E. Rybakina (10)/BYE
RUS A. Kalinskaya vs AND V. Jimenez Kasintseva
EGY M. Sherif vs Qualifier
BYE/ESP P. Badosa (21)

CRO P. Martic (29)/BYE
CZE B. Fruhvirtova vs CHN X. Wang
BEL E. Mertens vs USA A. Parks
BYE/RUS D. Kasatkina (8)

USA J. Pegula (3)/BYE
Qualifier vs CZE L. Fruhvirtova
Qualifier vs USA L. Davis
BYE/USA D. Collins (30)

POL M. Linette (20)/BYE
USA B. Pera vs RUS E. Rodina
ITA C. Giorgi vs EST K. Kanepi
BYE/BLR V. Azarenka (14)

RUS L. Samsonova (12)/BYE
Qualifier vs USA H. Baptiste
PHI A. Eala vs ROU I. Begu
BYE/CHN Q. Zheng (23)

RUS A. Potapova (27)/BYE
UKR M. Kostyuk vs ITA E. Cocciaretto
KAZ Y. Putintseva vs CAN R. Marino
BYE/USA C. Gauff (6)

Bottom Half

GRE M. Sakkari (7)/BYE
CAN B. Andreescu vs GBR E. Raducanu
USA S. Kenin vs Qualifier
BYE/UKR A. Kalinina (28)

RUS E. Alexandrova (18)/BYE
HUN A. Bondar vs USA T. Townsend
Qualifier vs CAN L. Fernandez
BYE/SUI B. Bencic (9)

CZE P. Kvitova (15)/BYE
ITA L. Bronzetti vs CZE L. Noskova
USA A. Anisimova vs USA M. Brengle
BYE/CRO D. Vekic (22)

CHN S. Zhang (26)/BYE
RUS E. Andreeva vs USA A. Krueger
Qualifier vs BEL M. Zanevska
BYE/TUN O. Jabeur (4)

FRA C. Garcia (5)/BYE
MEX F. Contreras Gomez vs ROU S. Cirstea
SUI J. Teichmann vs Qualifier
BYE/CHN L. Zhu (32)

CZE K. Pliskova (17)/BYE
CHN X. Wang vs Qualifier
CZE M. Vondrousova vs GER T. Maria
BYE/RUS V. Kudermetova (11)

CZE B. Krejcikova (16)/BYE
BLR A. Sasnovich vs HUN D. Galfi
USA R. Montgomery vs ROU A. Bogdan
BYE/USA M. Keys (19)

CZE M. Bouzkova (31)/BYE
RUS A. Blinkova vs GER J. Niemeier
USA S. Stephens vs USA S. Rogers
BYE/BLR A. Sabalenka (2)

Round of 64 Prize $30,885
Round of 32 Prize $55,770
Round of 16 Prize $96,955
Quarterfinals Prize $184,465
Semifinals Prize $352,635
Final Prize $662,360

by ti-amie ATP Qualifying Singles Draw

(1) Nuno Borges vs Steve Johnson
Brandon Holt vs (18) Borna Gojo

(2) Christopher O'Connell vs Yannick Hanfmann
(WC) Alexander Blockx vs (19) Yosuke Watanuki

(3) Jordan Thompson vs Renzo Olivo
(PR) Bradley Klahn vs (21) Tomas Machac

(4) Emilio Gomez vs Timofey Skatov
Felipe Meligeni Alves vs (16) Nikoloz Basilashvili

(5) Zhizhen Zhang vs Mattia Bellucci
(WC) Learner Tien vs (24) Jan-Lennard Struff

(6) Thanasi Kokkinakis vs Andrea Collarini
(WC) Benoit Paire vs (17) Gijs Brouwer

(7) Cristian Garin vs Kaichi Uchida
Alejandro Tabilo vs (23) Alexander Shevchenko

(8) Daniel Altmaier vs (WC) Martin Damm
Geoffrey Blancaneaux vs (22) Rinky Hijikata

(9) Aleksandar Kovacevic vs Maximilian Marterer
Aleksandar Vukic vs (13) James Duckworth

(10) Christopher Eubanks vs (WC) Abdullah Shelbayh
Lukas Klein vs (14) Matteo Arnaldi

(11) Radu Albot vs Elias Ymer
Tung-Lin Wu vs (15) Pavel Kotov

(12) Roman Safiullin vs Nicolas Moreno De Alboran
Filip Misolic vs (20) Camilo Ugo Carabelli

by ti-amie Monday, March 20, 2023 Day 1

Grandstand Starts At 11:00 Am

Q
Mirjam Bjorklund VS (22) Tamara Zidansek
Followed By
Q
(4) Karolina Muchova VS Kristina Kucova
Followed By
Q
Emma Navarro VS (16) Anna Karolina Schmiedlova
Followed By
Q
(1) Varvara Gracheva VS Peyton Stearns

Butch Bucholz Starts At 11:00 Am

Q1
(3) Jordan Thompson VS Renzo Olivo
Followed By
Q1
(10) Christopher Eubanks VS (WC) Abdullah Shelbayh
Followed By
Q1
(6) Thanasi Kokkinakis VS Andrea Collarini
Not Before 4:30 Pm
Q1
(1) Nuno Borges VS Steve Johnson

Court 1 Starts At 11:00 Am

Q1
(PR) Bradley Klahn VS (21) Tomas Machac
Followed By
Q1
(WC) Alexander Blockx VS (19) Yosuke Watanuki
Followed By
Q1
(7) Cristian Garin VS Kaichi Uchida
Followed By
Q1
(WC) Learner Tien VS (24) Jan-Lennard Struff

Court 7 Starts At 11:00 Am

Q
(10) Julia Grabher VS (21) Tereza Martincova
Followed By
Q
Kaja Juvan VS (WC) Storm Hunter
Followed By
Q
(12) Lesia Tsurenko VS (20) Harriet Dart
Followed By
(8) Viktoriya Tomova VS (14) Viktorija Golubic

Court 5 Starts At 11:00 Am

Q
Nao Hibino VS (19) Magdalena Frech
Followed By
Q
(WC) Katherine Sebov VS Jodie Burrage
Followed By
Q
Dayana Yastremska VS (15) Anna-Lena Friedsam
Followed By
Q
Laura Siegemund VS (24) Eva Lys

Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am

Q1
Felipe Meligeni Alves VS (16) Nikoloz Basilashvili
Followed By
Q1
(2) Christopher O'Connell VS Yannick Hanfmann
Followed By
Q1
(WC) Benoit Paire VS (17) Gijs Brouwer
Followed By
Q1
(9) Aleksandar Kovacevic VS Maximilian Marterer

Court 3 Starts At 11:00 Am

Q1
(4) Emilio Gomez VS Timofey Skatov
Followed By
Q1
(8) Daniel Altmaier VS (WC) Martin Damm
Followed By
Q1
(11) Radu Albot VS Elias Ymer
Followed By
Q1
Brandon Holt VS (18) Borna Gojo

Court 6 Starts At 11:00 Am

Q1
(12) Roman Safiullin VS Nicolas Moreno De Alboran
Followed By
Q1
Lukas Klein VS (14) Matteo Arnaldi
Followed By
Q1
Tung-Lin Wu VS (15) Pavel Kotov
Followed By
Q1
(5) Zhizhen Zhang VS Mattia Bellucci

Court 4 Starts At 11:00 Am

Q1
Filip Misolic VS (20) Camilo Ugo Carabelli
Followed By
Q1
Geoffrey Blancaneaux VS (22) Rinky Hijikata
Followed By
Q1
Aleksandar Vukic VS (13) James Duckworth
Not Before 4:30 Pm
Q1
Alejandro Tabilo VS (23) Alexander Shevchenko

by dave g Does anyone know which half of the women's draw is going to play the first day?

by skatingfan

dave g wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:26 am Does anyone know which half of the women's draw is going to play the first day?

I don't think we'll know till they release the Tuesday schedule.

by ashkor87 Always difficult to follow up a good performance with an equally good performance at Miami, which is why the 'sunshine double' is so special...
So we should not expect Rybakina to win again, but I think Alcaraz will, he is strong and resilient..Sabalenka, Swiatek, Rybakina should do well again, conditions are similar. But Miami is very humid so people like Kvitova and (maybe) Krejcikova will struggle a bit...

by JTContinental Here's the annual "who's that?" list of weird Miami wildcards/IMG signees

ATP Main Draw Wild Cards

103. Taro Daniel (JPN)
139. Zizou Bergs (BEL)
171. Juncheng Shang (CHN)
188. Emilio Nava (USA)

WTA Main Draw Wild Cards

127. Erika Andreeva
154. Ashlyn Krueger (USA)
163. Brenda Fruhvirtova (CZE)
187. Robin Montgomery (USA)
194. Victoria Jimenez Kasintseva (AND)
220. Alexandra Eala (PHI)
270. Hailey Baptiste (USA)

by ashkor87 the sections led by Sakkari and Bencic look very strong.. Pegula comes up against Collins in the third round.. sad .. of course, Raducanu/Andreescu looks very intriguing, since both played well at IW.. and the winner to play Sakkari.. wonder if Sakkari is strong enough mentally to do well two tournaments in a row...normally she is not, but seems to be gettig better.. Begu is a very dangerous player, might beat QZ, who is not playing that well lately..?

by ashkor87 And, ofcourse, I continue to have faith in Samsonova and Alexandrova...

by meganfernandez

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:29 am And, ofcourse, I continue to have faith in Samsonova and Alexandrova...

Faith or hope?

by meganfernandez

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:09 am Always difficult to follow up a good performance with an equally good performance at Miami, which is why the 'sunshine double' is so special...
So we should not expect Rybakina to win again, but I think Alcaraz will, he is strong and resilient..Sabalenka, Swiatek, Rybakina should do well again, conditions are similar. But Miami is very humid so people like Kvitova and (maybe) Krejcikova will struggle a bit...

Rybakina said IW played more slowly than the French Open, and Opelka backed her up (he was asked about the comment on a podcast). How do Miami's courts compare?

by meganfernandez Why do all the seeds get a bye?

by ponchi101 @ Ashkor. What do you see in Alexandrova? She is already 28, has never made a big splash in the tour. Why are you high on her?

by ponchi101

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:25 pm Why do all the seeds get a bye?

It was the arrangement after they dropped from 128 players to 96. And it was the players saying that Miami was too tough because it was identical to the Slams' format.

by dave g

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:31 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:25 pm Why do all the seeds get a bye?
It was the arrangement after they dropped from 128 players to 96. And it was the players saying that Miami was too tough because it was identical to the Slams' format.

Also, not giving the seeds a bye would require the ability to play twice as many matches on the first two days. My guess is that the tournament doesn't have the court space to hold the additional number of required matches.

by skatingfan Haven't Indian Wells & Miami been 96 player draws for many years?

by dave g

skatingfan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:14 pm Haven't Indian Wells & Miami been 96 player draws for many years?

Yes.

by Owendonovan

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:25 pm Why do all the seeds get a bye?

Guaranteed 2nd round points/money minimally?

by ponchi101

skatingfan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:14 pm Haven't Indian Wells & Miami been 96 player draws for many years?

After the initial complaints, specially from the men. The original "Lipton's" championship was 7 rounds, best of 5 for the men. They said it was too much.
I can't remember the year precisely, but it was in the mid 1990's that the draw was reduced to 96. In the mid 2000's, the final (for the men) was cut down from best of 5 to best of 3, together with the other MS1000's that were Bo5 (Rome, for example).

by ashkor87 assuming the court plays like last year..
probabilities of win

Alcaraz 80%
Fritz 5%
Sinner 5%
Medvedev 5%
the field 5%

Rybakina 40%
Swiatek 30%
Sabalenka 20%
the field 10%

by ti-amie WTA Singles Main Draw

(1) I. Świątek/Bye
K. Siniakova vs C. Liu
Qualifier vs D. Kovinic
(25) M. Trevisan/Bye

(24) J. Ostapenko/Bye
J. Paolini vs Qualifier
T. Korpatsch vs Qualifier
(13) B. Haddad Maia/Bye

(10) E. Rybakina/Bye
(WC) V. Jimenez Kasintseva vs. A. Kalinskaya
M. Sherif vs. Qualifier
(21) P. Badosa/Bye

(29) P. Martic/Bye
(WC) B. Fruhvirtova vs. Xiy. Wang
E. Mertens vs. A. Parks
(8) D. Kasatkina/Bye

(3) J. Pegula/Bye
Qualifier vs L. Fruhvirtova
Qualifier vs L. Davis
(30) D. Collins/Bye

(20) M. Linette/Bye
B. Pera vs E. Rodina
C. Giorgi vs K. Kanepi
(14) V. Azarenka/Bye

(12) L. Samsonova/Bye
Qualifier vs (WC) H. Baptiste
(WC) A. Eala vs I. Begu
(23) Q. Zheng/Bye

(27) A. Potapova/Bye
M. Kostyuk vs E. Cocciaretto
Y. Putintseva vs R. Marino
(6) C. Gauff/Bye

Bottom Half

(7) M. Sakkari/Bye
B. Andreescu vs E. Raducanu
S. Kenin vs Qualifier
(28) A. Kalinina/Bye

(18) E. Alexandrova/Bye
A. Bondar vs T. Townsend
Qualifier vs L. Fernandez
(9) B. Bencic/Bye

(15) P. Kvitova/Bye
L. Bronzetti vs L. Noskova
A. Anisimova vs M. Brengle
(22) D. Vekic/Bye

(26) S. Zhang/Bye
(WC) E. Andreeva vs (WC) A. Krueger
Qualifier vs M. Zanevska
(4) O. Jabeur/Bye

(5) C. Garcia/Bye
(WC) F. Contreras Gomez vs S. Cirstea
J. Teichmann vs Qualifier
(32) L. Zhu/Bye

(17) K. Pliskova/Bye
Xin. Wang vs Qualifier
M. Vondrousova vs T. Maria
(11) V. Kudermetova/Bye

(16) B. Krejcikova/Bye
A. Sasnovich vs D. Galfi
(WC) R. Montgomery vs A. Bogdan
(19) M. Keys/Bye

(31) M. Bouzkova/Bye
A. Blinkova vs J. Niemeier
S. Stephens vs S. Rogers
(2) A. Sabalenka/Bye

by ti-amie ATP MD Singles Draw

(1) Carlos Alcaraz/Bye
Qualifier/Lucky Loser vs Facundo Bagnis
Andy Murray vs Dusan Lajovic
Bye/(30) Maxime Cressy

(20) Alejandro Davidovich Fokina/Bye
Oscar Otte vs Brandon Nakashima
Marc-Andrea Huesler vs Albert Ramos-Vinolas
Bye/(16) Tommy Paul

(9) Taylor Fritz/Bye
(WC) Emilio Nava vs John Isner
(PR) Guido Pella vs Juan Pablo Varillas
Bye/(24) Denis Shapovalov

(31) Diego Schwartzman/Bye
Yibing Wu vs (PR) Kyle Edmund
Pedro Cachin vs Marton Fucsovics
Bye/(7) Holger Rune

(3) Casper Ruud/Bye
Ilya Ivashka vs Qualifier/Lucky Loser
Alexei Popyrin vs Mikael Ymer
Bye/(26) Botic van de Zandschulp

(22) Roberto Bautista Agut/Bye
Emil Ruusuvuori vs Qualifier/Lucky Loser
(WC) Taro Daniel vs Arthur Rinderknech
Bye/(13) Alexander Zverev

(10) Jannik Sinner/Bye
Qualifier/Lucky Loser vsLaslo Djere
Fabio Fognini vs Constant Lestienne
Bye/(21) Grigor Dimitrov

(29) Miomir Kecmanovic/Bye
Ugo Humbert vs (PR) Gael Monfils
Alexander Bublik vs J.J. Wolf
Bye/(6) Andrey Rublev

Bottom Half

(8) Hubert Hurkacz/Bye
Qualifier/Lucky Loser vs (WC) Zizou Bergs
Adrian Mannarino vs (WC) Juncheng Shang
Bye/(32) Ben Shelton

(17) Borna Coric/Bye
Qualifier/Lucky Loser vs Denis Kudla
Gregoire Barrere vs Qualifier/Lucky Loser
Bye/(11) Cameron Norrie

(15) Alex de Minaur/Bye
Pedro Martinez vs Quentin Halys
Daniel Elahi Galan vs Mackenzie McDonald
Bye/(19) Matteo Berrettini

(28) Yoshihito Nishioka/Bye
Alex Molcan vs Qualifier/Lucky Loser
Roberto Carballes Baena vs Bernabe Zapata Miralles
Bye/(4) Daniil Medvedev

(5) Felix Auger-Aliassime/Bye
Thiago Monteiro vs Jason Kubler
Qualifier/Lucky Loser vs Jaume Munar
Bye/(25) Francisco Cerundolo

(23) Daniel Evans/Bye
Lorenzo Sonego vs (WC) Dominic Thiem
Qualifier/Lucky Loser vs Qualifier/Lucky Loser
Bye/(12) Frances Tiafoe

(14) Karen Khachanov/Bye
Qualifier/Lucky Loser vs Tomas Martin Etcheverry
Federico Coria vs Jiri Lehecka
Bye/(18) Lorenzo Musetti

(27) Sebastian Baez/Bye
Marcos Giron vs Qualifier/Lucky Loser
Richard Gasquet vs Qualifier/Lucky Loser
Bye/(2) Stefanos Tsitsipas

by ponchi101

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:03 pm assuming the court plays like last year..
probabilities of win

Alcaraz 80%
Fritz 5%
Sinner 5%
Medvedev 5%
the field 5%

Rybakina 40%
Swiatek 30%
Sabalenka 20%
the field 10%

Alcaraz 50%
Medvedev 20%
Rune 5%
Sinner 5%
Fritz 5%
Tiafoe 5%
Field 10%

Rybakina 25%
Sabalenka 25%
Iga 25%
Pegula 5%
Bencic 5%
Coco 5%
Field 10%

The difference between Sabalenka and Rybakina right now is just one good service day by Aryna. She had it in Melbourne, she did not at IW.

by mick1303

Owendonovan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:20 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:25 pm Why do all the seeds get a bye?
Guaranteed 2nd round points/money minimally?

I think this does not work this way with points. If the "bye" player loses in the 2nd round, he gets only the points from the 1st round. Not 100% sure that it still works this way, but when I was designing my software, I took this approach and I think this is the way ATP points worked as well. Can't tell about WTA, their rules sometimes defy logic.

by ponchi101 I think you are right, Mick. If you lose your first match, you get 1R points.

by martini4me

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:25 pm Why do all the seeds get a bye?

It's the same as Indian Wells, and the same as it's been since I ever remember.

Rough draws for the Canadian women. Andreescu (who just missed a seed, and is back up to number 31 (that is, a seeded position) in the new rankings), Fernandez and Marino get Raducanu, a qualifier and Putintseva in the first round, then Sakkari (7), Bencic (9) and Gauff (6) if they make it to the second.

by ti-amie Day 3 Order of Play WTA Main Draw Round of 128

Grandstand
Starts at 12:00 PM

CZE B. FRUHVIRTOVA vs CHN X. WANG
FOLLOWED BY
BEL E. MERTENS vs USA A. PARKS
FOLLOWED BY
CAN K. SEBOV vs CZE L. FRUHVIRTOVA
FOLLOWED BY
USA B. PERA vs RUS E. RODINA

Butch Buchholz
Starts at 11:00 AM

PHI A. EALA vs ROU I. BEGU
FOLLOWED BY
KAZ Y. PUTINTSEVA vs CAN R. MARINO
FOLLOWED BY
ITA C. GIORGI vs EST K. KANEPI
FOLLOWED BY
SUI V. GOLUBIC (14) vs USA H. BAPTISTE

Court 1
Starts at 11:00 AM

JPN N. HIBINO vs MNE D. KOVINIC
FOLLOWED BY
ITA J. PAOLINI vs SWE M. BJORKLUND
FOLLOWED BY
GER T. KORPATSCH vs CZE T. MARTINCOVA (21)
FOLLOWED BY
SVK A. SCHMIEDLOVA (16) vs USA L. DAVIS

Court 7
Starts at 11:00 AM

UKR M. KOSTYUK vs ITA E. COCCIARETTO
FOLLOWED BY
RUS A. KALINSKAYA vs AND V. JIMENEZ KASINTSEVA
FOLLOWED BY
CZE K. SINIAKOVA vs USA C. LIU
FOLLOWED BY
EGY M. SHERIF vs TBD

by ti-amie Tuesday, March 21, 2023 Day 2 ATP Qualifying

Court 5 Starts At 11:00 Am

Q2
(3) Jordan Thompson VS (21) Tomas Machac
Followed By
Q2
(6) Thanasi Kokkinakis VS (WC) Benoit Paire
Followed By / Possible Court Change
Q2
Nuno Borges Or Steve Johnson VS Brandon Holt Or Borna Gojo

Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am

Q2
(12) Roman Safiullin VS Filip Misolic
Followed By
Q2
(10) Christopher Eubanks VS Lukas Klein
Followed By / Possible Court Change
Q2
Zhizhen Zhang Or Mattia Bellucci VS Learner Tien Or Jan-Lennard Struff

Court 3 Starts At 11:00 Am

Q2
(8) Daniel Altmaier VS Geoffrey Blancaneaux
Followed By
Q2
Radu Albot Or Elias Ymer VS Tung-Lin Wu Or Pavel Kotov
Followed By
Q2
(7) Cristian Garin VS Alejandro Tabilo Or Alexander Shevchenko

Court 6 Starts At 11:00 Am

Q2
Timofey Skatov VS Felipe Meligeni Alves
Followed By
Q2
(2) Christopher O'Connell VS (19) Yosuke Watanuki
Followed By
Q2 Country FlagCountry FlagCountry Flag
Aleksandar Kovacevic Or Maximilian Marterer VS Aleksandar Vukic

by Deuce

martini4me wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:32 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:25 pm Why do all the seeds get a bye?
It's the same as Indian Wells, and the same as it's been since I ever remember.

Rough draws for the Canadian women. Andreescu (who just missed a seed, and is back up to number 31 (that is, a seeded position) in the new rankings), Fernandez and Marino get Raducanu, a qualifier and Putintseva in the first round, then Sakkari (7), Bencic (9) and Gauff (6) if they make it to the second.

Yeah - Leylah's ranked about #50 now, so she won't be getting any favourable draws as a seed for a while it seems... and Marino will only be seeded in smaller tournaments, if that.
When you're not seeded, anything can happen, of course - and with the parity in the WTA these days, the chances of meeting a very good player in the first or second round are pretty high.

Leylah has drawn Tsurenko first. That could be difficult - both because Tsurenko is a quality player, and because of what she is going through now due to the situation in her home country of Ukraine.

by ashkor87

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:24 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:09 am Always difficult to follow up a good performance with an equally good performance at Miami, which is why the 'sunshine double' is so special...
So we should not expect Rybakina to win again, but I think Alcaraz will, he is strong and resilient..Sabalenka, Swiatek, Rybakina should do well again, conditions are similar. But Miami is very humid so people like Kvitova and (maybe) Krejcikova will struggle a bit...
Rybakina said IW played more slowly than the French Open, and Opelka backed her up (he was asked about the comment on a podcast). How do Miami's courts compare?

Based on last year's experience, Miami will also be slow, possibly even slower. Than Iw

by meganfernandez

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:31 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:25 pm Why do all the seeds get a bye?
It was the arrangement after they dropped from 128 players to 96. And it was the players saying that Miami was too tough because it was identical to the Slams' format.

I just think top 8 or maybe 16 could get byes. Not 32. Seems excessive.

by ashkor87 Well, once you have 32 seeds, which is absurd in itself....

by mick1303

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:10 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:31 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:25 pm Why do all the seeds get a bye?
It was the arrangement after they dropped from 128 players to 96. And it was the players saying that Miami was too tough because it was identical to the Slams' format.
I just think top 8 or maybe 16 could get byes. Not 32. Seems excessive.

If they make only 8 top seeds having byes, this means 120 players draw. A lot of 1st round matches, the existing venue can't accommodate within the schedule.

by ponchi101 Especially at the new Hard Rock stadium. Crandon Park could handle the load, but we know how that went.

by meganfernandez

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:46 am
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:24 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:09 am Always difficult to follow up a good performance with an equally good performance at Miami, which is why the 'sunshine double' is so special...
So we should not expect Rybakina to win again, but I think Alcaraz will, he is strong and resilient..Sabalenka, Swiatek, Rybakina should do well again, conditions are similar. But Miami is very humid so people like Kvitova and (maybe) Krejcikova will struggle a bit...
Rybakina said IW played more slowly than the French Open, and Opelka backed her up (he was asked about the comment on a podcast). How do Miami's courts compare?
Based on last year's experience, Miami will also be slow, possibly even slower. Than Iw

Mark Pechey just said during Mertens/Parks that the courts are pretty fast, but it could be the balls.

by JTContinental Alycia Parks is not currently handling the pressure of being a higher profile player very well. It's still early days though, and I hope she can make the adjustment.

by nelslus

JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:36 pm Alycia Parks is not currently handling the pressure of being a higher profile player very well. It's still early days though, and I hope she can make the adjustment.

She is freakin' talented. Thing is, early in the year, she made all these pronouncements about how she saw herself making the top 10 by the end of this year. Over and over again, and almost always- when players do that, they end up screwing up. You've put a lot of pressure on yourself- AND set a target, especially for veteran players who want to show the newbie not to brag.

AND, what's strange is, she just seems so miserable and negative on the courts. It's really been unpleasant to watch her play lately. I thought for a minute that, hey, maybe the courts she had been playing on- the courts, etc., just weren't to her liking.

OH, well.

AND, just perhaps. let me point out that ashkor87 might have been a tad premature anointing Alycia as a Wimbledon champion.

by nelslus OK, it looks like Siniakova dropped out, up 6-3, 3-3 vs. Claire Liu. Does anyone know what happened?

by ponchi101 She was picked by several for the practice SP (myself included).
But indeed, strange score to retire from.

by dave g I am seeing that the Schmiedlova/Davis match is cancelled on LiveScores. Does anyone have any news on this?

by Deuce Preliminary Canadian report...
Rebecca Marino with a good straight set win today over Putinseva...
Katherine Sebov, who got through qualifying and has very little experience in 1000 level tournaments, took the 1st set off of Linda Fruhvirtova, and they are at 3-3 in the 2nd. Being ahead of a high profile player like this at a 1000 event might frighten Sebov into nervousness. We'll see...

by ti-amie I'm watching Giorgi vs Kanepi. They split the first two TB sets and Giorgi is up 2-0, 15-40 in the third set.

by skatingfan

Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:10 pm Preliminary Canadian report...
Rebecca Marino with a good straight set win today over Putinseva...
Katherine Sebov, who got through qualifying and has very little experience in 1000 level tournaments, took the 1st set off of Linda Fruhvirtova, and they are at 3-3 in the 2nd. Being ahead of a high profile player like this at a 1000 event might frighten Sebov into nervousness. We'll see...

Thank-you - I was very confused because I saw Fruhvirtova losing to Wang, and wondered what happened to Sebov - didn't realize that there were two Fruhvirtova's in the draw.

by ti-amie Wednesday, March 22, 2023 Day 3

Stadium Starts At 12:00 Pm

Bianca Andreescu VS Emma Raducanu
Followed By
Alexander Bublik VS J.J. Wolf
Followed By
Andy Murray VS Dusan Lajovic
Not Before 7:00 PM
Sloane Stephens VS Shelby Rogers
Not Before 8:30 Pm
(WC) Emilio Nava VS John Isner

Grandstand Starts At 11:00 Am

Oscar Otte VS Brandon Nakashima
Followed By
Amanda Anisimova VS Madison Brengle
Not Before 2:00 PM
Sofia Kenin VS (Q) Storm Hunter
Followed By
(Q) Lesia Tsurenko VS Leylah Fernandez
Not Before 7:00 Pm
Ugo Humbert VS (PR) Gael Monfils

Butch Buchholz Starts At 11:00 Am

(WC) Erika Andreeva VS (WC) Ashlyn Krueger
Followed By
(WC) Fernanda Contreras Gomez VS Sorana Cirstea
Followed By
Anna Bondar VS Taylor Townsend
Followed By
Yibing Wu VS (PR) Kyle Edmund
Followed By
Fabio Fognini VS Constant Lestienne

Court 1 Starts At 11:00 Am

Jil Teichmann VS (Q) Karolina Muchova
Followed By
Pedro Cachin VS Marton Fucsovics
Followed By
Alexei Popyrin VS Mikael Ymer
Followed By
Emil Ruusuvuori VS Qualifier

Court 7 Starts At 11:00 Am

Lucia Bronzetti VS Linda Noskova
Followed By
(Q) Varvara Gracheva VS Maryna Zanevska
Followed By
Marketa Vondrousova VS Tatjana Maria

Court 5 Starts At 11:00 Am

Marc-Andrea Huesler VS Albert Ramos-Vinolas
Followed By
(PR) Guido Pella VS Juan Pablo Varillas
Followed By
Ilya Ivashka VS Qualifier

Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am

(WC) Taro Daniel VS Arthur Rinderknech
Followed By
Qualifier VS Facundo Bagnis
Followed By
Qualifier VS Laslo Djere

Court 3 Starts At 11:00 Am

Aliaksandra Sasnovich VS Dalma Galfi
Followed By
(WC) Robin Montgomery VS Ana Bogdan
Followed By
Xinyu Wang VS (Q) Anna-Lena Friedsam

by Deuce Sebov won it over Linda Fruhvirtova - 6-2, 4-6, 6-4.
The 3rd set was shaky from both players. Sebov seemed rather overwhelmed with her victory, as it's the first time she gets to the 2nd round in a tournament of this level.
It was nice to see Fruhvirtova signing a couple of autographs for kids after the match, despite the disappointing loss.

So... two nice Canadian wins today with Marino and Sebov... They should take pride in and enjoy their deserved wins - but it gets considerably more difficult in the next round, as Marino gets Gauff, and Sebov gets Pegula.

Tomorrow, Andreescu vs. Raducanu is first up on the main court at noon. Leylah will play Tsurenko around 4pm, it looks like.

by JazzNU

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:23 pm She was picked by several for the practice SP (myself included).
But indeed, strange score to retire from.

Is that two first round exits in back to back practice SPs?

by JazzNU

JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:36 pm Alycia Parks is not currently handling the pressure of being a higher profile player very well. It's still early days though, and I hope she can make the adjustment.

I pointed this out during IW. But almost all evidence suggests thus far that her top form is indoors and only indoors. It may not be that the new attention is causing her problems. I'm not making excuses for her lack of results outdoors, she clearly should be doing better at many of these tournaments. But if you go back and look at how she's risen through the rankings in the last year, her runs deep in tournaments whether it's the main WTA tour, W125 or ITF are almost all at indoor events. She wasn't having this kind of indoor success 2 years ago, so hopefully it's just a matter of time until she figures out how to be more competitive outdoors, but her results show a stark drop off when you compare the two.

I only know this because a tennis journalist I follow on Twitter called her the Indoor Queen or something like that and I thought that's a stretch (seems given recent history, Anett should be able to maintain that title for a bit), but still point taken and I looked closer at her results because of that. It wasn't something I knew to pay attention with her.

by ti-amie Giorgi blew her 5-1 lead in the third set but won the tiebreak for a 7-6(4), 6-7(4), &-6(4) over Kanepi.

And I did not stutter. Those are the scores.

by ponchi101

JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:26 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:23 pm She was picked by several for the practice SP (myself included).
But indeed, strange score to retire from.
Is that two first round exits in back to back practice SPs?

Three, because my zombie pick for day two of the IW WTA also lost.
For the real RG SP, I will probably burst into flames as soon as I press "submit".

by JazzNU

nelslus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:44 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:36 pm Alycia Parks is not currently handling the pressure of being a higher profile player very well. It's still early days though, and I hope she can make the adjustment.
She is freakin' talented. Thing is, early in the year, she made all these pronouncements about how she saw herself making the top 10 by the end of this year. Over and over again, and almost always- when players do that, they end up screwing up. You've put a lot of pressure on yourself- AND set a target, especially for veteran players who want to show the newbie not to brag.

Oh dear. I missed that she had done that. There's a fine line between confidence and arrogance.

by skatingfan

ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:54 pm Giorgi blew her 5-1 lead in the third set but won the tiebreak for a 7-6(4), 6-7(4), &-6(4) over Kanepi.

And I did not stutter. Those are the scores.

I'm not sure how to interrupt the ampersand.

by skatingfan Order of Play for Centre Court tomorrow looks pretty good for the first round matches.

by JTContinental

nelslus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:15 pm OK, it looks like Siniakova dropped out, up 6-3, 3-3 vs. Claire Liu. Does anyone know what happened?

Per Twitter, Siniakova suffered a nasty wrist injury, and had to pull out immediately mid-game. It sounds potentially serious

dave g wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:01 pm I am seeing that the Schmiedlova/Davis match is cancelled on LiveScores. Does anyone have any news on this?

Also per Twitter, Davis withdrew with an ab injury

by 3mlm

JTContinental wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:46 am
nelslus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:15 pm OK, it looks like Siniakova dropped out, up 6-3, 3-3 vs. Claire Liu. Does anyone know what happened?
Per Twitter, Siniakova suffered a nasty wrist injury, and had to pull out immediately mid-game. It sounds potentially serious

dave g wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:01 pm I am seeing that the Schmiedlova/Davis match is cancelled on LiveScores. Does anyone have any news on this?
Also per Twitter, Davis withdrew with an ab injury

Unfortunately for Schmiedlova, the lucky loser replacement she drew, Tomova, won the match.

by ashkor87 Re the Sunshine Double ...let us not forget the only reason Serena and Venus did not, is because they boycotted Indian Wells for most of their career.

by ashkor87 Muchova must be one tired person.. she had to go through qualifying, I believe.. and she went deep at IW .

by JTContinental She's probably ecstatic to get the match play and not be injured

by ashkor87

JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:52 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:36 pm Alycia Parks is not currently handling the pressure of being a higher profile player very well. It's still early days though, and I hope she can make the adjustment.
I pointed this out during IW. But almost all evidence suggests thus far that her top form is indoors and only indoors. It may not be that the new attention is causing her problems. I'm not making excuses for her lack of results outdoors, she clearly should be doing better at many of these tournaments. But if you go back and look at how she's risen through the rankings in the last year, her runs deep in tournaments whether it's the main WTA tour, W125 or ITF are almost all at indoor events. She wasn't having this kind of indoor success 2 years ago, so hopefully it's just a matter of time until she figures out how to be more competitive outdoors, but her results show a stark drop off when you compare the two.

I only know this because a tennis journalist I follow on Twitter called her the Indoor Queen or something like that and I thought that's a stretch (seems given recent history, Anett should be able to maintain that title for a bit), but still point taken and I looked closer at her results because of that. It wasn't something I knew to pay attention with her.

I never thoight indoor versus outdoor be that different! are there any precedents we know of? of someone being very good indoors but not outdoors? Kvitova and Safarova come to mind, but then Safarova did get to the finals of the French..and Kvitova has a known allergy issue..

by ashkor87 Samsonova is one player I am looking for good results from, at Miami..she has the right game, and is presumably fresh after losing early at IW..

by martini4me Swiatek has pulled out with a rib injury. Apparently she had an infection last month, which caused some coughing strong enough to pull a rib muscle. Out of Billie Jean King Cup also.

by ashkor87 That must have been some cough! Never heard of it causing a rib injury..

by ponchi101

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:23 pm That must have been some cough! Never heard of it causing a rib injury..

I blew up a hernia. Not the same thing, but coughing is an extreme strain on the body.

by ponchi101

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:57 am ...

I never thoight indoor versus outdoor be that different! are there any precedents we know of? of someone being very good indoors but not outdoors? Kvitova and Safarova come to mind, but then Safarova did get to the finals of the French..and Kvitova has a known allergy issue..

Agree. But the pattern for Parks is clear. Andorra, Angers and Lyon: w, w, w (all 125's or 250's). Everything else is 1R or 2R.
So I gather she can tell us that indeed, very different.

by JazzNU Interesting match between Bianca and Emma. They both seem to be trending in the right direction, though I would say despite Bianca being the better player today, she's the one who is still further away from what she was at her peak in 2019.

by nelslus

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:57 amI never thoight indoor versus outdoor be that different! are there any precedents we know of? of someone being very good indoors but not outdoors? Kvitova and Safarova come to mind, but then Safarova did get to the finals of the French..and Kvitova has a known allergy issue.

....WELL, and- you know- Petra won two Wimbledon titles. Outdoors.

by JazzNU

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:57 am I never thoight indoor versus outdoor be that different! are there any precedents we know of? of someone being very good indoors but not outdoors? Kvitova and Safarova come to mind, but then Safarova did get to the finals of the French..and Kvitova has a known allergy issue..

She's done well outdoors too, but Anett Kontaveit clearly excels the most indoors. A healthy amount of the finals she's made are on indoor courts. And a strong argument can be made (right now) that Felix Auger-Aliassime is another who excels on indoor hard courts more so than any other surface. All but one of the hard court finals he has made has been indoors. And that's not counting the Laver Cup and Davis Cup.

by ponchi101 Anisimova pulling the crap of retiring, one game away from losing, 7-6, 5-2.
Sure, you can retire. But you really could not stand there at the baseline and let your opponent get the W?
Roger for tennis commisioner.

by mick1303

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:49 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:23 pm That must have been some cough! Never heard of it causing a rib injury..
I blew up a hernia. Not the same thing, but coughing is an extreme strain on the body.

Intense - yes. But to a degree that you can damage your own rib - sounds like a stretch. Maybe she is taking too much from the book of her idol - Rafa Nadal. Who was - oh, so hurt in his loss to Soderling - that in order to demonstrate how hurt he was - skipped Wimbledon. And then of course he was still hurt when DelPo cleaned his clock in US Open.

by nelslus Bublik always looks like he needs to take a shower. And not in a good way.

by ponchi101

mick1303 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:17 pm ...

Intense - yes. But to a degree that you can damage your own rib - sounds like a stretch. Maybe she is taking too much from the book of her idol - Rafa Nadal. Who was - oh, so hurt in his loss to Soderling - that in order to demonstrate how hurt he was - skipped Wimbledon. And then of course he was still hurt when DelPo cleaned his clock in US Open.

Let me see if I get this straight. Rafa lost to Soderling at RG, the tournament he loves the most, and claimed a fake injury, and then, so nobody would doubt the reality of his injury he skipped Wimbledon, where he was the defending champion, so he would not be called on that lie?
I mean, how evil can a person be?

by nelslus

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:14 pm Anisimova pulling the crap of retiring, one game away from losing, 7-6, 5-2.
Sure, you can retire. But you really could not stand there at the baseline and let your opponent get the W?
Roger for tennis commisioner.

WELL- when we next see Miss Amanda Anisimova in a body cast- won't YOU feel ashamed....

by JazzNU

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:14 pm Anisimova pulling the crap of retiring, one game away from losing, 7-6, 5-2.
Sure, you can retire. But you really could not stand there at the baseline and let your opponent get the W?
Roger for tennis commisioner.

Her retirement was shown on TC during the Andreescu vs Raducanu match, and it was a bit odd to me. Sounds like she sustained a hip injury during the match and had a visit from the trainer. She had her heads in her hands or towel before the final game was going to be played, but didn't appear to necessarily be about to retire. She didn't make an overt move to do so in that moment. She was just sitting there. Then the chair says to her, if she wants to retire, she can retire. And so she does. I'm not sure if the chair doesn't tell her to go to the line the next game needs to start, she doesn't just do that and get through that final game. It was rather odd. Maybe the chair made the right call, maybe the pain was more visible that it appeared in the short clip I saw and that's why she said that to Amanda. But as you said, also seems like she could've stood there and let 4 balls fly past her as well.

by JazzNU

nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:23 pm Bublik always looks like he needs to take a shower. And not in a good way.

by nelslus In OTHER news- and, granted, apparently Bondar had some kind of injury, having taken the Tour Mandatory Medical Time-Out in the middle of the second set (foot? ankle? I wasn't paying attention, until they went back to play)....it is always so lovely for me when Taylor plays this well. Smart, fluid tennis. Love her game at its best.

by mick1303

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:31 pm
mick1303 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:17 pm ...

Intense - yes. But to a degree that you can damage your own rib - sounds like a stretch. Maybe she is taking too much from the book of her idol - Rafa Nadal. Who was - oh, so hurt in his loss to Soderling - that in order to demonstrate how hurt he was - skipped Wimbledon. And then of course he was still hurt when DelPo cleaned his clock in US Open.
Let me see if I get this straight. Rafa lost to Soderling at RG, the tournament he loves the most, and claimed a fake injury, and then, so nobody would doubt the reality of his injury he skipped Wimbledon, where he was the defending champion, so he would not be called on that lie?
I mean, how evil can a person be?

Apart from physical injuries, there are also shattered egos. His ego was unquestionably injured in this loss. Especially if factor in that Soderling was the last person he would want to lose, considering their history (I mean the animosity during/after Wimbledon 2007 encounter).

by Deuce Leylah lost the first 3 games of the match badly vs. Tsurenko, and was down 1-4 (2 breaks). She couldn't hit the court.
After that, she couldn't miss, and won the set 6-4.
I assume she was just trying too hard at first, as it's her 'home' tournament (she lives in the area), and then she settled down.
2-1 Tsurenko in the 2nd now, with a break.
The chair umpire (Julie Kjendlie) has just adjusted Tsurenko's bra strap (mid-game) - so I expect Tsurenko to go on a winning roll now

. (I wonder what would have happened if the chair umpire were a man...)

Emma was very obviously very tired in the 3rd set vs. Andreescu - she wasn't running for half the balls, and she asked for a replay of close calls about 6 or 7 times, just to buy some time to rest.

Anisimova is going nowhere fast. She seems lost.

Muchova certainly doesn't seem tired - she's been breezing through her matches here in one-sided sets.

The difference between playing indoors and outdoors can be huge, of course - I would think that's quite obvious. The entire atmosphere - including the sound - is very different.
The biggest difference, though, are the elements - namely the sun, wind, temperature, and humidity.

by Deuce Yet another in-match retirement - Monfils quit at 3-3 in the 1st set vs. countryman Humbert.
I don't know the reason.

Shelby Rogers took the 1st set 6-4 from Stephens.
Stephens is up 3-0 in the 2nd...

by ponchi101 Monfils hit one FH and immediately winced in pain. It seems to be a wrist injury.
He tried to play on, but to no avail.

by ashkor87

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:52 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:57 am ...

I never thoight indoor versus outdoor be that different! are there any precedents we know of? of someone being very good indoors but not outdoors? Kvitova and Safarova come to mind, but then Safarova did get to the finals of the French..and Kvitova has a known allergy issue..
Agree. But the pattern for Parks is clear. Andorra, Angers and Lyon: w, w, w (all 125's or 250's). Everything else is 1R or 2R.
So I gather she can tell us that indeed, very different.

In such circumstances I always feel the player will figure it out sooner or later, if she gets the support she needs..

by ashkor87 I see Robin Montgomery has won through to the second round ..how is she? Much potential? I only saw highlights of her match against Coco last year, could hardly get a return in on her backhand. .

by ti-amie Thursday, March 23, 2023 Day 4

Stadium Starts At 12:00 Noon

Marcos Giron VS (Q) Cristian Garin
Not Before 1:00 PM
(3) Jessica Pegula VS (Q) Katherine Sebov
Followed By
Rebecca Marino VS (6) Coco Gauff
Not Before 7:00 Pm
Lorenzo Sonego VS (WC) Dominic Thiem
Not Before 8:30 PM
(10) Elena Rybakina VS Anna Kalinskaya

Grandstand Starts At 11:00 Am

Elise Mertens VS (8) Daria Kasatkina
Followed By
(Q) Christopher Eubanks VS Denis Kudla
Followed By
Daniel Elahi Galan VS Mackenzie McDonald
Followed By
Richard Gasquet VS (LL) Christopher O'Connell
Not Before 7:00 PM
Camila Giorgi VS (14) Victoria Azarenka

Butch Buchholz Starts At 11:00 Am

(Q) Laura Siegemund VS (21) Paula Badosa
Followed By
(LL) Viktoriya Tomova VS (30) Danielle Collins
Followed By
(Q) Yosuke Watanuki VS (Q) Benoit Paire
Followed By
Thiago Monteiro VS Jason Kubler
Followed By
(LL) Thanasi Kokkinakis VS (WC) Zizou Bergs

Court 1 Starts At 11:00 Am

Federico Coria VS Jiri Lehecka
Followed By
Adrian Mannarino VS (WC) Juncheng Shang
Followed By
(12) Liudmila Samsonova VS (Q) Viktorija Golubic
Followed By
(Q) Tereza Martincova VS (13) Beatriz Haddad Maia
Followed By
(Q) Nao Hibino VS (25) Martina Trevisan

Court 7 Starts At 11:00 Am

Pedro Martinez VS Quentin Halys
Followed By
Alex Molcan VS (Q) Jordan Thompson
Followed By
(24) Jelena Ostapenko VS (Q) Mirjam Bjorklund
Followed By
(20) Magda Linette VS Evgeniya Rodina
Followed By
(Q) Pavel Kotov VS Tomas Martin Etcheverry

Court 5 Starts At 11:00 Am

(LL) Aleksandar Kovacevic VS Jaume Munar
Followed By
Roberto Carballes Baena VS Bernabe Zapata Miralles
Followed By
Hubert Hurkacz/John Isner VS Nathaniel Lammons/Jackson Withrow
Followed By
Simone Bolelli/Fabio Fognini VS (2) Rajeev Ram/Joe Salisbury
Followed By
Gregoire Barrere VS (Q) Roman Safiullin

Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am

Irina-Camelia Begu VS (23) Qinwen Zheng
Followed By
(29) Petra Martic VS Xiyu Wang
Followed By
(27) Anastasia Potapova VS Marta Kostyuk
Followed By
(LL) Julia Grabher VS Claire Liu
Followed By
Monica Niculescu/Alicja Rosolska VS Kirsten Flipkens/Bethanie Mattek-Sands

Court 3 Starts At 11:00 Am

(ALT) Ekaterina Alexandrova/Tereza Mihalikova VS Eri Hozumi/Alycia Parks
Followed By
(8) Nicole Melichar-Martinez/Ellen Perez VS (OSE) Sofia Kenin/Nadiia Kichenok
Followed By
Alexander Bublik/Miomir Kecmanovic VS Pedro Cachin/Francisco Cerundolo
After Suitable Rest
Anna Danilina/Asia Muhammad VS (OSE) Paula Badosa/Ons Jabeur
Followed By
(WC) Martin Damm/Juncheng Shang VS Tommy Paul/Ben Shelton

by ashkor87 saw highlights of Leylah.. she is really the most fun player to watch - the variety, the movement, the volley, the drop shots.. and yes, the court does seem faster than IW, to my eyes at least, or maybe just that Leylah makes it seem so!

by ti-amie

by ashkor87 very impressive win by Muchova over Teichmann - didnt see the match but a very clear win.. Muchova will go far here and elsewhere..she has a really well-rounded game..

by ashkor87 Leylah vs Bencic next! Me very unhappy..both are my favorites.....

by ponchi101 Clearly on Bencic's side here. But that may be a very tough match.

by ponchi101 Kasatkina losing to Mertens. Not a terrible loss, but Mertens is not a powerhouse on hard courts. Her funky year continues (Kasatkina's).

by ti-amie

by JTContinental

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:31 pm
mick1303 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:17 pm ...

Intense - yes. But to a degree that you can damage your own rib - sounds like a stretch. Maybe she is taking too much from the book of her idol - Rafa Nadal. Who was - oh, so hurt in his loss to Soderling - that in order to demonstrate how hurt he was - skipped Wimbledon. And then of course he was still hurt when DelPo cleaned his clock in US Open.
Let me see if I get this straight. Rafa lost to Soderling at RG, the tournament he loves the most, and claimed a fake injury, and then, so nobody would doubt the reality of his injury he skipped Wimbledon, where he was the defending champion, so he would not be called on that lie?
I mean, how evil can a person be?

Plus, cracking a rib coughing isn’t that uncommon of an injury

by JTContinental I think Gael’s tennis career is mostly done for

by martini4me

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:45 pm Kasatkina losing to Mertens. Not a terrible loss, but Mertens is not a powerhouse on hard courts. Her funky year continues (Kasatkina's).

Kasatkina was ill. She fell behind 3-0 (two breaks) quickly before coming back to win the set. But she called for the trainer early in the third set (I think), saying she had vomited twice earlier in the day. She was still competing well late in the match, but I think she was definitely under the weather.

Has no one ever suggested to Katherine Sebov that she should spend some time in the gym? Or is she just one of these body types that never builds bulky muscles? Her arms and legs are so willowy, it's hard to see how she could compete at a higher level. Also, she has a very short takeback on her forehand, which would also limit the power she can get off that.

by JazzNU Laura Siegemund is going to make us watch her play until she's 45, isn't she?

by ponchi101

JTContinental wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:03 pm I think Gael’s tennis career is mostly done for

I agree. Yesterday's injury was completely out of nowhere, and if you look at the stroke that caused it, it seemed like nothing.
Then again, Gael's FH has always been a very wristy affair. Who knows how much more millage than the average he has there.

by JTContinental

JazzNU wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:44 pm Laura Siegemund is going to make us watch her play until she's 45, isn't she?

That's about how long it takes her to finish barking after she hits the ball

by mick1303

JTContinental wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:01 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:31 pm
mick1303 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:17 pm ...

Intense - yes. But to a degree that you can damage your own rib - sounds like a stretch. Maybe she is taking too much from the book of her idol - Rafa Nadal. Who was - oh, so hurt in his loss to Soderling - that in order to demonstrate how hurt he was - skipped Wimbledon. And then of course he was still hurt when DelPo cleaned his clock in US Open.
Let me see if I get this straight. Rafa lost to Soderling at RG, the tournament he loves the most, and claimed a fake injury, and then, so nobody would doubt the reality of his injury he skipped Wimbledon, where he was the defending champion, so he would not be called on that lie?
I mean, how evil can a person be?
Plus, cracking a rib coughing isn’t that uncommon of an injury

If you're a senior citizen with osteoporosis

by JTContinental If you ever play Rebecca Marino, just hit every ball down the middle of the court.

by ashkor87 Good win for Samsonova..golubic can be tricky...

by ti-amie Friday, March 24, 2023 Day 5

Stadium Starts At 12:00 Pm

(7) Maria Sakkari VS Bianca Andreescu
Followed By
(9) Taylor Fritz VS (WC) Emilio Nava
Followed By
(1) Carlos Alcaraz VS Facundo Bagnis
Not Before 7:00 PM
Shelby Rogers VS (2) Aryna Sabalenka
Not Before 8:30 Pm
(WC) Taro Daniel VS (13) Alexander Zverev

Grandstand Starts At 11:00 Am

J.J. Wolf VS (6) Andrey Rublev
Followed By
(Q) Varvara Gracheva VS (4) Ons Jabeur
Followed By
(WC) Robin Montgomery VS (19) Madison Keys
Followed By
(5) Caroline Garcia VS Sorana Cirstea
Not Before 7:00 Pm
(3) Casper Ruud VS Ilya Ivashka

Butch Buchholz Starts At 11:00 Am

(PR) Guido Pella VS (24) Denis Shapovalov
Followed By
(10) Jannik Sinner VS Laslo Djere
Followed By
Marc-Andrea Huesler VS (16) Tommy Paul
Followed By
(15) Petra Kvitova VS Linda Noskova
Followed By
Leylah Fernandez VS (9) Belinda Bencic

Court 1 Starts At 11:00 Am

(18) Ekaterina Alexandrova VS Taylor Townsend
Followed By
(16) Barbora Krejcikova VS Aliaksandra Sasnovich
Followed By
Sofia Kenin VS (28) Anhelina Kalinina
Followed By
(Q) Jan-Lennard Struff VS (21) Grigor Dimitrov
Followed By
Marton Fucsovics VS (7) Holger Rune

Court 7 Starts At 11:00 Am

(17) Karolina Pliskova VS Xinyu Wang
Followed By
Marketa Vondrousova VS (11) Veronika Kudermetova
Followed By
Alexei Popyrin VS (26) Botic van de Zandschulp
Followed By
(20) Alejandro Davidovich Fokina VS Brandon Nakashima
Followed By
Austin Krajicek/Nicolas Mahut VS (3) Nikola Mektic/Mate Pavic

Court 5 Starts At 11:00 Am

(22) Roberto Bautista Agut VS Emil Ruusuvuori
Followed By
(31) Diego Schwartzman VS Yibing Wu
Followed By
(29) Miomir Kecmanovic VS Ugo Humbert
Followed By
Dusan Lajovic VS (30) Maxime Cressy
Followed By
Jaume Munar/Bernabe Zapata Miralles VS Rafael Matos/David Vega Hernandez

Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am

(Q) Karolina Muchova VS (32) Lin Zhu
Followed By
(31) Marie Bouzkova VS Anna Blinkova
Followed By
(WC) Brenda Fruhvirtova/Linda Fruhvirtova VS (2) Coco Gauff/Jessica Pegula
Followed By
Madison Brengle VS (22) Donna Vekic
Followed By
(26) Shuai Zhang VS (WC) Erika Andreeva

Court 3 Starts At 11:00 Am

(6) Storm Hunter/Elise Mertens VS Miyu Kato/Aldila Sutjiadi
Not Before 12:30 PM
(3) Lyudmyla Kichenok/Jelena Ostapenko VS (WC) Danielle Collins/Peyton Stearns
Followed By
(1) Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski VS Rinky Hijikata/Jason Kubler
Followed By
Robin Haase/Matwe Middelkoop VS Sebastian Baez/Tomas Martin Etcheverry
Followed By
Makoto Ninomiya/Saisai Zheng VS Shuko Aoyama/Ena Shibahara

by nelslus

JazzNU wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:44 pm Laura Siegemund is going to make us watch her play until she's 45, isn't she?

....She's not 45 already?

by ti-amie Ed Salmon
@fogmount@mas.to
Badosa beats Siegemund, 76(2) 46 62 in 2h51m. #MiamiOoen

Siegemund took an off-court MTO for a left hip injury at 0-3 in the 3rd and became increasingly desperate to shorten points.

by JazzNU

ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:29 pm Ed Salmon
@fogmount@mas.to
Badosa beats Siegemund, 76(2) 46 62 in 2h51m. #MiamiOoen

Siegemund took an off-court MTO for a left hip injury at 0-3 in the 3rd and became increasingly desperate to shorten points.

by ti-amie Siegemund.

by ponchi101 They just showed an interview with Paula. Rough quote:
"I knew when she went off court that it would be long. We all know each other; there are no secrets in the locker room".
Her attitude was clear about Siegemund. Might as well said out loud "she cheats".

by Deuce I recall Navratilova doing commentary - it was last year or the year previous - and saying very clearly that she is not a fan of Siegemund because she basically cheats.
It stood out because you don't often hear commentators being that blatant and precise in their criticism of a player - especially of a player's character.

by ashkor87 Nice to see QZ back too..that was a good win over Begu...she could do some damage here..

by ashkor87

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:01 pm Clearly on Bencic's side here. But that may be a very tough match.

I do like Bencic but I don't think she is a Tier 1, Leylah potentially is...more upside certainly. So, for the good of the game, we should want Leylah to win ...

by ponchi101 I don't see Leylah as a tier 1 player. No size for that.

by ti-amie

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:14 am I don't see Leylah as a tier 1 player. No size for that.

Sadly, I agree.

by ashkor87

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:14 am I don't see Leylah as a tier 1 player. No size for that.

Size isn't everything...quickness and agility count too..she has already been to the USO finals..Bencic hasn't,

by ashkor87 Re Alexandrova and the question of why I like her, people here should explain why they like Pegula so much..Alexandrova has already won more tournaments,.

by Suliso

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:44 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:14 am I don't see Leylah as a tier 1 player. No size for that.
Size isn't everything...quickness and agility count too..she has already been to the USO finals..Bencic hasn't,

One GS final could be lucky. If she ever does it again then I agree.

by Deuce Pegula has consistenly done significantly better than Alexandrova in tournaments.
Pegula consistently goes deep in tournaments. Alexandrova doesn't.
Pegula is a top 5 player. Alexandrova has never finished a year in the top 20.
Pegula currently has more than twice the number of points Alexandrova has....
Etc., etc.

by Deuce Kalinskaya was up a break on Rybakina late in the 1st set... then Kalinskaya decided that she really doesn't want to win the set - or the match, so Rybakina said thank you and won the set 7-5.
I don't expect this match to last much longer.

by atlpam And Kalinskaya takes the 2nd set. On to the decider.

by Deuce

atlpam wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:01 am And Kalinskaya takes the 2nd set. On to the decider.

^ How did that happen?

Rybakina was up a break in the 2nd and seemed to be on her way to closing it out rather easily.
Wow.

I guess I'll go back to watching it...

by JazzNU

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:50 am Re Alexandrova and the question of why I like her, people here should explain why they like Pegula so much..Alexandrova has already won more tournaments,.

Tournaments titles don't necessarily tell the whole story of any player. I'm not some big fan of Jessie's and that is mostly due to not caring for her parents and how they've sportwashed their real business that earned them billions, but she's a different level of player than Alexandrova right now. I'm not sure Alexandrova has even made the second week of a Grand Slam yet and she's far from a new player on tour. She might improve, but hanging your hat on, well, she has more titles, isn't it. She's not on Pegula's level and she's in her late 20s, so this may be the best she ever gets. Doesn't mean she hasn't had a respectable career, she has. And certainly doesn't mean you shouldn't be a fan of hers. But you can't be surprised that people have more faith in Jessie than Ekaterina.

by ponchi101

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:50 am Re Alexandrova and the question of why I like her, people here should explain why they like Pegula so much..Alexandrova has already won more tournaments,.

Nobody has to explain why you like a player (or not). That is a personal metric.
But ignoring numbers and records is a different issue. There is no question that Alexandrova has more titles (3-1). But Pegula has held a consistent higher ranking. So saying who is better should boil down to measuring those numbers. And all the others.

by ashkor87 Madison Keys has surfaced! She should actually do well on this kind of surface...assuming she is well.. I never believed the theory that she is a potential Wimbledon champion (see Davenport on her)..always thought she would do better even at the French than at Wimbledon..which, I think, she has. She has enormous power, reminds me of a nuclear power plant, but her footwork and movement would let her down on a fast court..

by ashkor87

JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:18 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:50 am Re Alexandrova and the question of why I like her, people here should explain why they like Pegula so much..Alexandrova has already won more tournaments,.
Tournaments titles don't necessarily tell the whole story of any player. I'm not some big fan of Jessie's and that is mostly due to not caring for her parents and how they've sportwashed their real business that earned them billions, but she's a different level of player than Alexandrova right now. I'm not sure Alexandrova has even made the second week of a Grand Slam yet and she's far from a new player on tour. She might improve, but hanging your hat on, well, she has more titles, isn't it. She's not on Pegula's level and she's in her late 20s, so this may be the best she ever gets. Doesn't mean she hasn't had a respectable career, she has. And certainly doesn't mean you shouldn't be a fan of hers. But you can't be surprised that people have more faith in Jessie than Ekaterina.

And how old is Pegula, please? I like Alexandrova because she has tremendous power, which is useful on the kind of slow courts we are seeing more and more of...I still maintain a 'buy' on her..

by ashkor87 saw a bit of the Rybakina match on youtube - she seemed a bit late to the ball sometimes, as if she hasnt adjusted to the courts (they are a bit faster than IW, it seems, this year) - not altogether convicing as a performance but maybe she just needs this practice to get adjusted.. we shall see..

by nelslus

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:26 am saw a bit of the Rybakina match on youtube - she seemed a bit late to the ball sometimes, as if she hasnt adjusted to the courts (they are a bit faster than IW, it seems, this year) - not altogether convicing as a performance but maybe she just needs this practice to get adjusted.. we shall see..

During the match, Davenport and the other commentator talked about that Rybakina may have some shoulder issues. Her shoulders were apparently taped up during IW, and she was stretching her shoulders at times today. Rybakina should have won this in two- up a set and a break- and then her game started going wonky- especially her serve and forehand. She actually could have lost in 3- until she played much better tennis the last few games of the third set, and her serve started working again.

Would not be at all surprised if Rybakina drops out with whatever is the latest Injury/Illness fad.

by 3mlm

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:37 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:50 am Re Alexandrova and the question of why I like her, people here should explain why they like Pegula so much..Alexandrova has already won more tournaments,.
Nobody has to explain why you like a player (or not). That is a personal metric.
But ignoring numbers and records is a different issue. There is no question that Alexandrova has more titles (3-1). But Pegula has held a consistent higher ranking. So saying who is better should boil down to measuring those numbers. And all the others.

Pegula actually has two titles: Washington DC 2019 and Guadalajara 2022. She's 8 months older than Alexandrova and won the only WTA match they've
played - Rome 2021 R16.

by nelslus

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:45 amAnd how old is Pegula, please? I like Alexandrova because she has tremendous power, which is useful on the kind of slow courts we are seeing more and more of...I still maintain a 'buy' on her.

Pegula is 29- and Alexandrova is 28. Alexandrova has never gone past the 3R in singles at a Slam, IW, and/or Miami, and she's been pretty crappy in singles for a few months. And- sure, Alexandrova can have "tremendous" power, hitting the ball tremendously out.

I mean, in the wacky world of tennis- sure, anything can happen. But, it feels awfully random and (....yet again....) arbitrary to suddenly become an Alexandrova zealot vs. a player ranked much higher, and with decidedly more consistent results. (AND, Collins could take out Pegula, and Taylor could take out Alexandrova. So, there's that).

I mean, heck, I'm always wishing for Petra (who's, I don't know, 134 years old or whatever at this point

) to win at least one more Slam title. And, that ain't gonna happen, either, no matter how I could frame that.

by nelslus

3mlm wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:40 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:37 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:50 am Re Alexandrova and the question of why I like her, people here should explain why they like Pegula so much..Alexandrova has already won more tournaments,.
Nobody has to explain why you like a player (or not). That is a personal metric.
But ignoring numbers and records is a different issue. There is no question that Alexandrova has more titles (3-1). But Pegula has held a consistent higher ranking. So saying who is better should boil down to measuring those numbers. And all the others.
Pegula actually has two titles: Washington DC 2019 and Guadalajara 2022. She's 8 months older than Alexandrova and won the only WTA match they've
played - Rome 2021 R16.

Damn it. Jazz and you beat me to the "They're almost the same freakin' age" argument.

by nelslus PS: Madison Brengle is gonna win Miami. Because I said so.

by JTContinental

3mlm wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:40 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:37 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:50 am Re Alexandrova and the question of why I like her, people here should explain why they like Pegula so much..Alexandrova has already won more tournaments,.
Nobody has to explain why you like a player (or not). That is a personal metric.
But ignoring numbers and records is a different issue. There is no question that Alexandrova has more titles (3-1). But Pegula has held a consistent higher ranking. So saying who is better should boil down to measuring those numbers. And all the others.
Pegula actually has two titles: Washington DC 2019 and Guadalajara 2022. She's 8 months older than Alexandrova and won the only WTA match they've
played - Rome 2021 R16.

Pegula also missed like two years on the tour due to injury.

by nelslus .... AND, I hate being on the Pegula Bandwagon Support Team here. I respect her a lot as a person and player. Her game just bores me. And, barring a Slam singles draw blood-bath, I don't see how she could ever threaten to win a singles Slam title. Hoping that her current doubles partner doesn't go the Pegula Slam singles route.

by ashkor87 I like Pegula too..she is the kind of B+ player the game needs more of .just that I think people are going too far thinking she is an A player...reminds me of the time, just before Wimbledon, when some wise person in this forum told me to wait, I was going to look foolish when Badosa wins Wimbledon! Well, I am not the one who looks foolish now.

Badosa is another of those really good B+ players we need more of, let us appreciate them for what they are!

by ponchi101

nelslus wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:31 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:26 am saw a bit of the Rybakina match on youtube - she seemed a bit late to the ball sometimes, as if she hasnt adjusted to the courts (they are a bit faster than IW, it seems, this year) - not altogether convicing as a performance but maybe she just needs this practice to get adjusted.. we shall see..
During the match, Davenport and the other commentator talked about that Rybakina may have some shoulder issues. Her shoulders were apparently taped up during IW, and she was stretching her shoulders at times today. Rybakina should have won this in two- up a set and a break- and then her game started going wonky- especially her serve and forehand. She actually could have lost in 3- until she played much better tennis the last few games of the third set, and her serve started working again.

Would not be at all surprised if Rybakina drops out with whatever is the latest Injury/Illness fad.

She was wearing some kino-tape at IW. I remember because it had some funky pattern and I was surprised, thinking they were tattoos. Then she stopped using them.

Last night, we should give some credit to Kalinskaya. Sure, Rybakina did not play her best match, and it seems she was having problems with the speed of the ball. But somebody was putting the speed on the ball.

by JazzNU

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:45 am
And how old is Pegula, please? I like Alexandrova because she has tremendous power, which is useful on the kind of slow courts we are seeing more and more of...I still maintain a 'buy' on her..

I'm not sure if you're purposely missing the points I and others are making or not. But the reason I brought up Ekaterina's age is because she's not on Jessie's level yet, while being about the same age. So, both in their late 20s yes, but one is in the Top 5 and the other is not and hasn't made a significant name for herself yet. Casual tennis fans have never heard of her and honestly, have no reason to have heard of her because she hasn't made a significant dent at the grand slams and the higher profile 1000 events that they are more likely to tune in to watch. If this is the highest Jessie ever gets, then so be it, she's reached the top of women's tennis, but if this is the top for Alexandrova, my point was, that she won't have reached Jessie's level at any point in her career.

And another thing about their ages - Jessie's success has only come in recent years because she spent a good portion of her 20s injured. She was a hot prospect as a junior that couldn't get going in her pro career because of a series of injuries. That is not at all the case with Ekaterina, she's been playing. And again, I'm no big fan of Jessie. The way she stopped being injured speaks to just an unconscionable level of privilege that annoys the heck out of me as it gets passed off like any other player could've done the same.

Jessie's the more accomplished player, despite not having won more titles than Ekaterina. But again, you don't want to hang your hat on titles. A closer look will most definitely show Jessie with significantly more career earnings because the wins she has versus the ones that Ekaterina has had are just not comparable.

by ponchi101 BTW.
Everybody knows how I feel about favoritisms and such; I do not like them.
But Ons is scheduled to play around mid day, and it is Ramadan. If she is a strict follower, she can't eat or drink during the day. I say, in this case, do not make an exception, but schedule her for at least a couple of night matches. Let her at least hydrate during the match (and get a snack before).

by ashkor87 Fair enough..all I can say is I see nothing very special in Pegula',s game..she is a solid professional..to me, Alexandrova has something more. I am not much impressed by rankings, anyway. I am only contrasting her with Pegula because they are both close to 30, and because everyone here is so high on Pegula, for no reason I can see. I do get the point about injuries but all players are going through that these days.

by ashkor87 Looking forward to Jabeur's return..hope she does well, she has some unique shots...nobody else has..

by ponchi101

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:00 pm Fair enough..all I can say is I see nothing very special in Pegula',s game..she is a solid professional..to me, Alexandrova has something more. I am not much impressed by rankings, anyway. I am only contrasting her with Pegula because they are both close to 30, and because everyone here is so high on Pegula, for no reason I can see. I do get the point about injuries but all players are going through that these days.

I really can't recall a single person here being high on Pegula. I am with Nelslus: sure, she seems like a decent and likeable person, but her game bores me to tears.
If she wins a slam, I will not be surprised. She is in my group of "Others". But if you ask me to name the "for sure" slam champions, she does not make that list.

by JazzNU

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:51 pm BTW.
Everybody knows how I feel about favoritisms and such; I do not like them.
But Ons is scheduled to play around mid day, and it is Ramadan. If she is a strict follower, she can't eat or drink during the day. I say, in this case, do not make an exception, but schedule her for at least a couple of night matches. Let her at least hydrate during the match (and get a snack before).

I don't disagree. But Ons isn't the first or only Muslim player and if you do that for Ons, you really need to do it for the others as well if you're not playing favorites, not just because Ons is now a higher seed. For example, for years Zarina Diyas would've been the higher seed to Ons' ranking and I don't think it was being done for her. Doubles typically plays second fiddle in scheduling, so not sure it was done for Sania either, when she was playing singles or doubles.

You're gonna have to play favorites at a certain point is my guess for it to happen and Ons is the likely benefactor at whatever tournaments take place during Ramadan for the next few years at least. But regardless, it's good to be on the radar of tournament directors to take it into account.

by martini4me Nobody else watching Andreescu-Sakkari? This is a real battle. Approaching two hours and Sakkari is serving to stay in the second set at 7-5 2-5. Not a lot of extended rallies, but several very long games with multiple deuces.

by nelslus

martini4me wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:01 pm Nobody else watching Andreescu-Sakkari? This is a real battle. Approaching two hours and Sakkari is serving to stay in the second set at 7-5 2-5. Not a lot of extended rallies, but several very long games with multiple deuces.

I've been watching for a little bit. I was too ashamed to admit this.

by nelslus (Getting rid of one repeat of my post. SHEEESH.)

by nelslus

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:00 pm Fair enough..all I can say is I see nothing very special in Pegula',s game..she is a solid professional..to me, Alexandrova has something more. I am not much impressed by rankings, anyway. I am only contrasting her with Pegula because they are both close to 30, and because everyone here is so high on Pegula, for no reason I can see. I do get the point about injuries but all players are going through that these days.

Yet. Again. VERY few of us are "high" on Pegula's game.

Having said that- "for no reason I can see"....well, as for results for Pegula- 5 singles QF Slam results. Doubles- a Slam final and a SF. A mixed SF. WTA 1000's- one win, one final, 4 SF's.

Alexandrova- In singles in the slams- never past R3. Slam doubles- never past R2. WTA 1000's- one SF. Then, never past R3.

IMO, HEY- any of us can feel any way we want. But, you know. Facts are facts.

by JazzNU

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:36 pm
I really can't recall a single person here being high on Pegula. I am with Nelslus: sure, she seems like a decent and likeable person, but her game bores me to tears.
If she wins a slam, I will not be surprised. She is in my group of "Others". But if you ask me to name the "for sure" slam champions, she does not make that list.

Completely agree, I don't remember anyone being some Jessie stan around these parts. I remember a convo we had last year at a certain point where we went over this and I think the main sentiment among those rooting for Pegula (and Shelby Rogers for that matter in that convo) was much more about hoping the American players do well, not them being confident she was going to win 1000 level events and majors consistently or anything like that. I can't recall anyone thinking she was destined for a grand slam title at all, just hoping she does well and they'd be happy for her if she were to win it.

In general, though Pegula seems to be well liked by fans, traction on her in tennis fandom hasn't been high. Given her on-court results, she should, for instance, have considerably more social media followers, but she has a comparatively small amount. Players with smaller profiles that are generally less likable/more polarizing have a larger fandom. Some of that is Jessica's own fault to me, she majorly botched an opportunity to get more fans, but it's still surprising she has a relatively lower profile. And that might very well come down to people thinking her game is boring even while thinking she's a good player.

by JazzNU

nelslus wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:14 pm
martini4me wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:01 pm Nobody else watching Andreescu-Sakkari? This is a real battle. Approaching two hours and Sakkari is serving to stay in the second set at 7-5 2-5. Not a lot of extended rallies, but several very long games with multiple deuces.
I've been watching for a little bit. I was too ashamed to admit this.

You crack me up. Why ashamed?

I'm watching. I just don't have a lot to say. Is it a good match? Yes. But unfortunately, I remember their match from 2021 here and this isn't that.

by nelslus AND, meanwhile- Jabeur. Damn.

by nelslus

JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:30 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:14 pm
martini4me wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:01 pm Nobody else watching Andreescu-Sakkari? This is a real battle. Approaching two hours and Sakkari is serving to stay in the second set at 7-5 2-5. Not a lot of extended rallies, but several very long games with multiple deuces.
I've been watching for a little bit. I was too ashamed to admit this.
You crack me up. Why ashamed?

I'm watching. I just don't have a lot to say. Is it a good match? Yes. But unfortunately, I remember their match from 2021 here and this isn't that.

Mostly, i just get great joy snarking at the TAT Canadians. Plus, this match is just too twitchy and error-y for my tastes.

by Suliso What did she do to botch it?

If I was in her position I'd prefer a modest number of fans, but good relationship with peers. No need to bother with extra publicity. More pleasant life that way. I think many players go for it because they hope it will help financially.

by Suliso Jabeur is going backwards fast. So are Ruud, Kasatkina and Kudermetova.

by nelslus

Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:36 pm Jabeur is going backwards fast. So are Ruud, Kasatkina and Kudermetova.

Martina N. and her fellow commentator were saying that Jabeur's team didn't want her to play, with her ongoing knee surgery recovery. They stated that Ons stated that she wanted to play, so that she doesn't fall too behind with the points. Martina clearly was of the mind that this is a terrible plan- health and recovery must come first. I agree. Seems very obvious at this moment.

by Suliso For sure if all that is true. However, besides that it could also be that she has already reached her peak (reasonable given her age) and the only direction now is down. We'll see during the rest of the year.

by JazzNU

nelslus wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:31 pm AND, meanwhile- Jabeur. Damn.

She shouldn't have come back, that is perfectly clear. She went against their advice and now we see why they told her to wait.

by skatingfan

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:51 pm BTW.
Everybody knows how I feel about favoritisms and such; I do not like them.
But Ons is scheduled to play around mid day, and it is Ramadan. If she is a strict follower, she can't eat or drink during the day. I say, in this case, do not make an exception, but schedule her for at least a couple of night matches. Let her at least hydrate during the match (and get a snack before).

There was an edict for professional soccer players - I'm sure it would apply to Jabeur as well.

https://www.dw.com/en/professional-athl ... /a-5883577

by ti-amie I watched Sakkari vs Andreescu and once again Sakkari found a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. She just kind of faded at the end and Andreescu held on to get the win.

by ponchi101

skatingfan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:50 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:51 pm BTW.
Everybody knows how I feel about favoritisms and such; I do not like them.
But Ons is scheduled to play around mid day, and it is Ramadan. If she is a strict follower, she can't eat or drink during the day. I say, in this case, do not make an exception, but schedule her for at least a couple of night matches. Let her at least hydrate during the match (and get a snack before).
There was an edict for professional soccer players - I'm sure it would apply to Jabeur as well.

https://www.dw.com/en/professional-athl ... /a-5883577

It certainly would. So, thanks, and she is covered.

by ponchi101

nelslus wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:14 pm
martini4me wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:01 pm Nobody else watching Andreescu-Sakkari? This is a real battle. Approaching two hours and Sakkari is serving to stay in the second set at 7-5 2-5. Not a lot of extended rallies, but several very long games with multiple deuces.
I've been watching for a little bit. I was too ashamed to admit this.

I'll answer for Nelslus. (JazzNu's question)
Shame, because watching any Bianca match is a little (or a lot) like watching "General Hospital".
It's a soap, and it is cheesy.
(And this comes from a vennie, and we are the Kings of bad soap operas in S. America).

by Suliso

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:09 pm
There was an edict for professional soccer players - I'm sure it would apply to Jabeur as well.

https://www.dw.com/en/professional-athl ... /a-5883577

That's helpful for sure albeit we don't actually know if she truly cares. A fair few don't as long as it's not public.

by ponchi101

Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:36 pm Jabeur is going backwards fast. So are Ruud, Kasatkina and Kudermetova.

I will give Ruud until the clay season. That's his favorite surface. If he does not get results, then you are correct.

by nelslus

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:11 pmI'll answer for Nelslus. (JazzNu's question)
Shame, because watching any Bianca match is a little (or a lot) like watching "General Hospital".
It's a soap, and it is cheesy.
(And this comes from a vennie, and we are the Kings of bad soap operas in S. America).

I'd say all of this is true of Bianca AND Sakkari (and far too many others, both tours).

by Suliso

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:26 pm
Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:36 pm Jabeur is going backwards fast. So are Ruud, Kasatkina and Kudermetova.
I will give Ruud until the clay season. That's his favorite surface. If he does not get results, then you are correct.

Ruud could also be a sophomore slump. He's too young for a late career decline.

by JazzNU

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:09 pm
skatingfan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:50 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:51 pm BTW.
Everybody knows how I feel about favoritisms and such; I do not like them.
But Ons is scheduled to play around mid day, and it is Ramadan. If she is a strict follower, she can't eat or drink during the day. I say, in this case, do not make an exception, but schedule her for at least a couple of night matches. Let her at least hydrate during the match (and get a snack before).
There was an edict for professional soccer players - I'm sure it would apply to Jabeur as well.

https://www.dw.com/en/professional-athl ... /a-5883577
It certainly would. So, thanks, and she is covered.

I don't see it as being covered. This is an edict that took place one year in Germany, not even sure what it is today. This was a topic of conversation for the NBA playoffs last year. That's well after this edict and no one said they were exempt from obeying the normal rules. I don't think this applies to anything but what the article is discussing.

by Owendonovan If we're gonna make religious exceptions, Jews shouldn't have to play on Saturdays and christians shouldn't have to play on Sundays.

by ti-amie Saturday, March 25, 2023 Day 6

Stadium Starts At 12:00 Noon

Richard Gasquet VS (2) Stefanos Tsitsipas
Not Before 1:00 PM
(27) Anastasia Potapova VS (6) Coco Gauff
Followed By
(3) Jessica Pegula VS (30) Danielle Collins
Not Before 7:00 Pm
Roberto Carballes Baena VS (4) Daniil Medvedev
Not Before 8:30 PM
(10) Elena Rybakina VS (21) Paula Badosa

Grandstand Starts At 11:00 Am

(24) Jelena Ostapenko VS (13) Beatriz Haddad Maia
Followed By
(5) Felix Auger-Aliassime VS Thiago Monteiro
Followed By
(8) Hubert Hurkacz VS (LL) Thanasi Kokkinakis
Followed By
(Q) Yosuke Watanuki VS (12) Frances Tiafoe
Not Before 7:00 PM
(29) Petra Martic VS Elise Mertens

Butch Buchholz Starts At 11:00 Am

(12) Liudmila Samsonova VS (23) Qinwen Zheng
Followed By
(20) Magda Linette VS (14) Victoria Azarenka
Followed By
Claire Liu VS (25) Martina Trevisan
Followed By
Gregoire Barrere VS (11) Cameron Norrie
Followed By
Adrian Mannarino VS (32) Ben Shelton

Court 1 Starts At 11:00 Am

Jiri Lehecka VS (18) Lorenzo Musetti
Followed By
Mackenzie McDonald VS (19) Matteo Berrettini
Followed By
(23) Daniel Evans VS Lorenzo Sonego
Followed By
(14) Karen Khachanov VS Tomas Martin Etcheverry
Followed By
Alexander Erler/Lucas Miedler VS Juan Sebastian Cabal/Robert Farah

Court 7 Starts At 11:00 Am

(LL) Aleksandar Kovacevic VS (25) Francisco Cerundolo
Followed By
(27) Sebastian Baez VS (Q) Cristian Garin
Followed By
(WC) Makenna Jones/Sloane Stephens VS Laura Siegemund/Vera Zvonareva
After Suitable Rest
(OSE) Caroline Dolehide/Madison Keys VS Veronika Kudermetova/Liudmila Samsonova
After Suitable Rest
(9) Gabriela Dabrowski/Luisa Stefani VS (OSE) Magda Linette/Bernarda Pera

Court 5 Starts At 11:00 Am

(17) Borna Coric VS (Q) Christopher Eubanks
Followed By
(15) Alex de Minaur VS Quentin Halys
Followed By
(6) Rohan Bopanna/Matthew Ebden VS Kevin Krawietz/Fabrice Martin
Followed By / After Suitable Rest
(WC) Marcelo Demoliner/Christopher Eubanks VS Mackenzie McDonald/Botic van de Zandschulp
Followed By
(8) Hugo Nys/Jan Zielinski VS Maximo Gonzalez/Andres Molteni

Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am

Santiago Gonzalez/Edouard Roger-Vasselin VS (7) Marcel Granollers/Horacio Zeballos
Followed By
(28) Yoshihito Nishioka VS Alex Molcan
Followed By
Maxime Cressy/Andreas Mies VS (5) Lloyd Glasspool/Harri Heliovaara
Followed By
(4) Marcelo Arevalo/Jean-Julien Rojer VS Jamie Murray/Michael Venus
Followed By
(WC) Marcos Giron/J.J. Wolf VS Marcelo Melo/John Peers

Court 3 Starts At 11:00 Am

Alexa Guarachi/Erin Routliffe VS (5) Yifan Xu/Zhaoxuan Yang
Followed By
Hao-Ching Chan/Latisha Chan VS (4) Desirae Krawczyk/Demi Schuurs
Followed By
Timea Babos/Kristina Mladenovic VS Leylah Fernandez/Taylor Townsend
After Suitable Rest
(OSE) Marie Bouzkova/Daria Kasatkina VS (7) Beatriz Haddad Maia/Giuliana Olmos
Followed By
Anna Kalinskaya/Caty McNally VS Anna Bondar/Kimberley Zimmermann

by JazzNU

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:11 pm
I'll answer for Nelslus. (JazzNu's question)
Shame, because watching any Bianca match is a little (or a lot) like watching "General Hospital".
It's a soap, and it is cheesy.
(And this comes from a vennie, and we are the Kings of bad soap operas in S. America).

Not a fan of this soap opera slander. No shame in watching them.

by JazzNU

Owendonovan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:57 pm If we're gonna make religious exceptions, Jews shouldn't have to play on Saturdays and christians shouldn't have to play on Sundays.

by ti-amie

by Deuce One might add Garcia to the list of those 'going backwards'.
She is currently a set and a break down to Cirstea, who beat her at Indian Wells (the broadcast of the match just went dead due to 'technical difficulties').
Garcia's game is very aggressive, and so, high risk. As such, it is prone to peaks and valleys - with a high risk game like that, it only takes a few bad points to shake the confidence... and confidence is an essential ingredient when playing aggressive, high risk tennis.

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:00 pm Fair enough..all I can say is I see nothing very special in Pegula',s game..she is a solid professional..to me, Alexandrova has something more. I am not much impressed by rankings, anyway. I am only contrasting her with Pegula because they are both close to 30, and because everyone here is so high on Pegula, for no reason I can see. I do get the point about injuries but all players are going through that these days.

^ As rankings are based on results, it's safe to say that you're not much impressed by results, either.
But if a player isn't to be judged/assessed on their results, what else is there to judge them by? Potential? Potential is worth nothing until it is achieved.

by Deuce Apparently, the broadcasts of ALL current matches (WTA and ATP) are out - 'technical difficulties'.
Indian Wells had consistent problems with their audio feeds within the stadium.
Too much dependence on technology, and not knowing what to do when it fails...

by Owendonovan

JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:23 pm
Owendonovan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:57 pm If we're gonna make religious exceptions, Jews shouldn't have to play on Saturdays and christians shouldn't have to play on Sundays.

by Owendonovan If Kenin keeps her current form, her match against Andreescu is a toss up.

by ti-amie

Deuce wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:48 pm Apparently, the broadcasts of ALL current matches (WTA and ATP) are out - 'technical difficulties'.
Indian Wells had consistent problems with their audio feeds within the stadium.
Too much dependence on technology, and not knowing what to do when it fails...

I watch via the App and the picture has been going in and out for two days now. Of all the big tournaments you'd think this one would be the last one to have issues like this.

by ti-amie

by ponchi101

Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:36 pm Jabeur is going backwards fast. So are Ruud, Kasatkina and Kudermetova.

Already mentioned above, but Garcia is going back too. So, last year MAY BE the anomaly in her career, not the true level.

by Deuce Kvitova just beat young Noskova 3 and love in what the commentator described as being "ruthless".
That's not a very nice thing to do as a role model. Jeez - at least encourage her career a little bit and let her win a few games...

Leylah vs. Bencic is up next on the same court (Buchholz).

by Deuce Bencic over Leylah 6-1 in the 1st set in 27 minutes.
Leylah has left the court (presumably to look for her game).

Leylah started terribly 2 days ago vs. Tsurenko, as well, but at 1-4 in that one, she came on and then couldn't miss - she played great. But Bencic is a higher quality player than Tsurenko, and didn't allow her to come back this time.

Leylah was off the court for a long time - they said it's a long walk from the court to the locker room.
If this continues, the match will be over within about 30 minutes.

by Deuce Ouch.
Bencic 1 and 1 over Leylah.
Leylah couldn't hit the court - she looked as bad as I've ever seen her. It didn't seem to be a physical problem or injury - just bad play that snowballed.

Sabalenka narrowly escaped with the 1st set over Rogers, 6-4. She was in control of the set, but Shelby came back and almost tied it. And after Rogers broke her to begin the 2nd set, Sabalenka took a medical time out and had her thigh/groin area tended to.

by ashkor87 Very impressed with Bencic and yes, with Adrreescu ..beating Sakkari here is not trivial. Can we hope for a revival now, anything approaching her past heights? Somehow, I feel there is still some spark missing in her game..

by ponchi101 Andreescu, to me, is the opposite of Leylah. She has power. But the injuries piled up too high and too quickly.
Agree on the "spark" thing. But if she finds it, she can become a factor again.

Speaking of sparks. Taro Daniel has broken Zverev three straight times, en route to a 6-0. Another one with a missing spark?

by ashkor87 Andreescu's serve also lacks bite these days.. all she does is spin it in.. dont remember her being like that.. injusy caused a more conservative motion?

by ashkor87

ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:52 pm I watched Sakkari vs Andreescu and once again Sakkari found a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. She just kind of faded at the end and Andreescu held on to get the win.

Sakkari's signature, almost. I didnt see it but since you say it.. and that is her track record anyway

by JazzNU

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:18 am
Speaking of sparks. Taro Daniel has broken Zverev three straight times, en route to a 6-0. Another one with a missing spark?

Don't think so. Not yet at least. Think this is him still working his way back from a bad injury. That's the way Knowles and Courier and several other commentators have framed it many times. I haven't gotten the impression that he's back to the physical shape he was in pre-injury just yet and it's expected to take a bit of time.

by ti-amie

by ashkor87 too many UFEs from Leylah.. again, seemed surprised by the pace and depth of Bencic' shots.. is the court faster than she expected? Bencic also seemed to have the game plan.. worked well for her!

by ashkor87 Big matches coming up soon: Keys versus Krejcikova (replay of AO 21 when Krejcikova melted in the heat), Vondrousova vs Pliskova (V should win but then it is Pliskova, whom I have given up on..) then Muchova thereafter (same; Muchova should win but...).. Sabalenka playing like a champion again, very very impressive.

by ashkor87

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:36 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:00 pm Fair enough..all I can say is I see nothing very special in Pegula',s game..she is a solid professional..to me, Alexandrova has something more. I am not much impressed by rankings, anyway. I am only contrasting her with Pegula because they are both close to 30, and because everyone here is so high on Pegula, for no reason I can see. I do get the point about injuries but all players are going through that these days.
I really can't recall a single person here being high on Pegula. I am with Nelslus: sure, she seems like a decent and likeable person, but her game bores me to tears.
If she wins a slam, I will not be surprised. She is in my group of "Others". But if you ask me to name the "for sure" slam champions, she does not make that list.

oh? did you not project Pegula as a possible AO champion? better chance than Rybakina? we had a mild argument about that..

by ashkor87 Checked the video of uso 2019... Andreescu had a big flat first serve then, seems to have vanished now...even her second serve then was better than her first today...

by ponchi101

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 4:53 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:36 pm ...

I really can't recall a single person here being high on Pegula. I am with Nelslus: sure, she seems like a decent and likeable person, but her game bores me to tears.
If she wins a slam, I will not be surprised. She is in my group of "Others". But if you ask me to name the "for sure" slam champions, she does not make that list.
oh? did you not project Pegula as a possible AO champion? better chance than Rybakina? we had a mild argument about that..

Giving her chances to win a slam is not being high on her!

I repeat, she is in my OTHER group. She reached the quarters, a fine result.
Again. If she wins a slam, I will not be surprised. If she never does, I won't either. And yes, with Rybakina's results for the end of 2022, I thought that Pegula was playing better tennis. Now, after Rybakina's first three months in 2023, it will take Pegula to win Miami to get to Rybakina's level. At the moment, Elena is playing much better.
And I did say Pegula could be a possible AO winner. A POSSIBLE. But my pick was Sabalenka, and I got lucky.

by ponchi101

JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:55 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:18 am
Speaking of sparks. Taro Daniel has broken Zverev three straight times, en route to a 6-0. Another one with a missing spark?
Don't think so. Not yet at least. Think this is him still working his way back from a bad injury. That's the way Knowles and Courier and several other commentators have framed it many times. I haven't gotten the impression that he's back to the physical shape he was in pre-injury just yet and it's expected to take a bit of time.

By the end of the match, it was just a plain bad day for Zverev. He could not hit anything inside the court.
Let's see how he does on the clay.

by ponchi101

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 4:12 am Big matches coming up soon: Keys versus Krejcikova (replay of AO 21 when Krejcikova melted in the heat), Vondrousova vs Pliskova (V should win but then it is Pliskova, whom I have given up on..) then Muchova thereafter (same; Muchova should win but...).. Sabalenka playing like a champion again, very very impressive.

When did she stop? She only lost a MS1000 final to a fellow slam champion, 7-6, 6-4. That's pretty good.

by JazzNU

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 3:47 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:55 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:18 am
Speaking of sparks. Taro Daniel has broken Zverev three straight times, en route to a 6-0. Another one with a missing spark?
Don't think so. Not yet at least. Think this is him still working his way back from a bad injury. That's the way Knowles and Courier and several other commentators have framed it many times. I haven't gotten the impression that he's back to the physical shape he was in pre-injury just yet and it's expected to take a bit of time.
By the end of the match, it was just a plain bad day for Zverev. He could not hit anything inside the court.
Let's see how he does on the clay.

Oh I saw, he did not play good. Maybe he'll be find his game on clay, but I'm wondering if it'll take a few more months. I'm not sure, but I would assume part of his issue is going to be footwork in general and foot placement when striking the ball feeling like second nature given his injury. And at least to my eye, he looks thinner than he did before this injury, so I'm not sure his hitting is where it was before because of loss of conditioning and fitness due to the injury. And I know conventional wisdom is that clay is easier on the body. But he sustained the injury on clay, so that doesn't feel like it'll be a given from that standpoint either.

His injury was fairly rare, right? I certainly can't recall another quite like it. I wonder if there are others that have sustained a similar serious ankle injury in the past and were able to return to their previous form.

by ponchi101 The only really bad ankle injury that comes to mind is Goffin's, when he ran into the tarp at RG. Beyond that, we all remember Muster's knee injury. That was triple ligaments broken. Brutal. Yet, Muster did come back. Let's hope Zverev's doctors are as good as Thomas.
And, I would be weary going back on clay. The first slide I would be like "NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"
The thinner Zverev. He did look like that, but I wonder if it is the atrocious shirt selection. To wear that shirt, you need to be Michael Mmoh, or Rafa. Zverev is so long that he does look thin.

by Suliso Out goes Samsonova...

by JTContinental Wow...she was up 3-0 in the third last time I checked the scoreboard, so it looks like she lost 6 games in a row.

by JTContinental Coric also continuing to struggle returning from injury. He had one good tournament, but otherwise some dismal results.

by ponchi101

Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:36 pm Jabeur is going backwards fast. So are Ruud, Kasatkina and Kudermetova.

Add Matteo.

by JazzNU

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 6:47 pm The only really bad ankle injury that comes to mind is Goffin's, when he ran into the tarp at RG. Beyond that, we all remember Muster's knee injury. That was triple ligaments broken. Brutal. Yet, Muster did come back. Let's hope Zverev's doctors are as good as Thomas.
And, I would be weary going back on clay. The first slide I would be like "NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"
The thinner Zverev. He did look like that, but I wonder if it is the atrocious shirt selection. To wear that shirt, you need to be Michael Mmoh, or Rafa. Zverev is so long that he does look thin.

First of all, I don't remember Muster's knee injury. Now that is possibly because I was in elementary or middle school when it happened and not following tennis all that closely yet, but good to know. And I think Sascha also had 3 torn ligaments but in his ankle not his knee. Who knows if either his or Goffin's is comparable, but it's better than nothing.

Interestingly enough, I was looking at his legs this last match when I thought, he's just thinner right now. I've said many times that he can't pull off the sleeveless and that was before the injury, so my opinion is definitely unchanged.

by Deuce Gauff - Potapova is wild. Extreme swings on both sides...
Potapova was in control of the 1st set. Gauff won it.
Gauff was in control of the 2nd set. Potapova won it.
They are headed to the 3rd now, after the 10 minute heat break.
For anyone looking for a match to watch, I suggest this one - not so much for the quality of the tennis as for the wild unpredictability.

by JazzNU

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:31 pm
Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:36 pm Jabeur is going backwards fast. So are Ruud, Kasatkina and Kudermetova.
Add Matteo.

I was thinking Matteo big time. Jabeur, Matteo, and Coric are related to coming back from injuries. Ruud, Kasatkina, and Kudermetova are not, as far I know at least. Samsonova is another one non-injury related slump I believe.

by JTContinental Jeez, take a breath and slow down, Prakash. He's like watching a live action panic attack.

by Suliso That's not a great outcome for Gauff. A rare case of losing to someone outside the top 20.

by Fastbackss Matteo was still favoured to win the match. Made it a profitable endeavour. (As was CoCo - also pleasant for the pocketbook)

by ponchi101

Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:33 pm That's not a great outcome for Gauff. A rare case of losing to someone outside the top 20.

She was gassed. The heat got to ger more than to Potapova.
Speaking of Anastasya: had never seen her before. Very easy on the eye. Easy to root for.

by Deuce Taylor Townsend and Leylah have formed an interesting doubles team...
At Indian Wells, they took the top team of Krejcikova/Siniakova to the limit before losing in the silly match tiebreak thing...
Today, they beat the once successful team of Babos/Mladenovic.

Not bad for two players who teamed up for the first time ever at Indian Wells. They seem to have found an instant and natural chemistry. Both are lefties, too, which helps.
And they're not afraid to both be at the net at the same time - and move back in tandem when necessary - which is all too rare in today's doubles.

Today, they were ahead 5-1 in the 2nd set after winning the 1st. But they only won it in a tiebreak after having several (10 or so) match points. But they pulled it out.

Felix just beat Montiero in 2 close tiebreak sets.

by Fastbackss The (2nd set) Felix TB was very entertaining. They were hitting bombs, and Thiago mixed in a drop shot (after Felix had DF'd on match point)

by Deuce

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:31 pm
Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:36 pm Jabeur is going backwards fast. So are Ruud, Kasatkina and Kudermetova.
Add Matteo.

And Danielle Collins.

by ti-amie At least Collins is looking more alive in this second set. it's 3 all on Pegula's serve..

by ponchi101 I agree she is also not playing any sort of good tennis.
But she is losing to a higher ranked player.

by ti-amie

by ti-amie Collins put up a fight in the second set but Pegula takes it in straights 6-1, 7-6(0)

by Deuce Azarenka out to Linette - 6-4 in the 3rd.
Linette is having a good year thus far.

by ti-amie Sunday, March 26, 2023 Day 7

Stadium Starts At 12:00 Pm

Bianca Andreescu VS Sofia Kenin
Followed By
(9) Taylor Fritz VS (24) Denis Shapovalov
Followed By
(1) Carlos Alcaraz VS Dusan Lajovic
Not Before 7:00 PM
(31) Marie Bouzkova VS (2) Aryna Sabalenka
Not Before 8:30 Pm
(3) Casper Ruud VS (26) Botic van de Zandschulp

Grandstand Starts At 11:00 Am

(20) Alejandro Davidovich Fokina VS (16) Tommy Paul
Not Before 1:00 PM
(18) Ekaterina Alexandrova VS (9) Belinda Bencic
Followed By
(15) Petra Kvitova VS (22) Donna Vekic
Followed By
(16) Barbora Krejcikova VS (19) Madison Keys
Not Before 7:00 Pm
(10) Jannik Sinner VS (21) Grigor Dimitrov

Butch Buchholz Starts At 11:00 Am

(17) Karolina Pliskova VS Marketa Vondrousova
Followed By
(31) Diego Schwartzman VS (7) Holger Rune
Followed By
(29) Miomir Kecmanovic VS (6) Andrey Rublev
Followed By
Emil Ruusuvuori VS (WC) Taro Daniel
Followed By
Marcelo Arevalo/Jean-Julien Rojer Or Jamie Murray/Michael Venus VS Nathaniel Lammons/Jackson Withrow

Court 1 Starts At 11:00 Am

(LL) Magdalena Frech VS (Q) Varvara Gracheva
Followed By
Sorana Cirstea VS (Q) Karolina Muchova
Followed By
Anna Danilina/Asia Muhammad VS (2) Coco Gauff/Jessica Pegula
Followed By
Tommy Paul/Ben Shelton VS (2) Rajeev Ram/Joe Salisbury
Followed By
Kevin Krawietz/Fabrice Martin VS Robin Haase/Matwe Middelkoop

Court 7 Starts At 11:00 Am

Rafael Matos/David Vega Hernandez VS Austin Krajicek/Nicolas Mahut
Followed By
(3) Lyudmyla Kichenok/Jelena Ostapenko VS Veronika Kudermetova/Liudmila Samsonova
Not Before 1:00 PM
TBD VS Laura Siegemund/Vera Zvonareva
Followed By
(6) Storm Hunter/Elise Mertens VS Monica Niculescu/Alicja Rosolska
Followed By
(ALT) Ekaterina Alexandrova/Tereza Mihalikova VS Hao-Ching Chan/Latisha Chan

by JazzNU

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:56 pm
Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:33 pm That's not a great outcome for Gauff. A rare case of losing to someone outside the top 20.
She was gassed. The heat got to ger more than to Potapova.
Speaking of Anastasya: had never seen her before. Very easy on the eye. Easy to root for.

I thouight she was more frustrated than anything else. If she was truly gassed, she needs to work on her conditioning. She grew up and lives near Miami and it's downright pleasant right now compared to what it is most of the year, so this heat should be nothing for her.

by ashkor87 Not surprised Coco lost.. she really isnt that good , yet.. the one I am suprised at is Vika, she had been playing well.. Berretini is the male version of Pliskova - what is he up to? Is he for real? Medvedev rolling through quietly, as expected. It is quite astonishing to me, how quickly Alcaraz has become #1 and how well he is actually doing - of course, keeping Djokovic out of the country helps, and now the clay court season begins, where I dont expect even Djokovic to beat him. I had thought Alcaraz would take a year or to get to this level of dominance, but he is already there!

by ashkor87 Coco's defense was astonishing, as usual.. but she needs a way to win points on this kind of court, which she doesnt seem to have.

by patrick

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:37 am Not surprised Coco lost.. she really isnt that good , yet.. the one I am suprised at is Vika, she had been playing well.. Berretini is the male version of Pliskova - what is he up to? Is he for real? Medvedev rolling through quietly, as expected. It is quite astonishing to me, how quickly Alcaraz has become #1 and how well he is actually doing - of course, keeping Djokovic out of the country helps, and now the clay court season begins, where I dont expect even Djokovic to beat him. I had thought Alcaraz would take a year or to get to this level of dominance, but he is already there!

Clay season on the ATP is where the contenders separate themselves from the pretenders.

by Deuce Hurcacz saved 5 match points and converted on his first vs. Kokkinakis in a match that went 3 tiebreak sets on a Grandstand court that has seen 5 consecutive tiebreak sets (Felix - Montiero 2 tiebreak sets earlier).

Gasquet withdrew before his match with Tsitsipas...

Dabrowski and Stefani have not yet been able to recapture the magic they had together in 2021 so far this year - they lost their 1st round match to Linette and Pera today.

by ashkor87

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:44 am Coco's defense was astonishing, as usual.. but she needs a way to win points on this kind of court, which she doesnt seem to have.

https://www.wtatennis.com/news/3121616/ ... miami-loss

at least she does seem aware of it.. her diagnosis is quite accurate, I think.

by JazzNU Thought he was going to get bounced after the way he lost that first set

by ponchi101 Rybakina's UE count is off the scale. Badosa may win this match solely on keeping the ball in.

by ashkor87 Potapova has pedigree...didn't realise she is junior Wimbledon champion 2016...taken 7 years to start making an impact on the senior tour but not bad....

by JazzNU

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:49 am Potapova has pedigree...didn't realise she is junior Wimbledon champion 2016...taken 7 years to start making an impact on the senior tour but not bad....

No it didn't take her 7 years. You don't get to her ranking overnight. She's been making good progress for a few years now and this is far from her first win over a decently ranked player.

by Deuce Two very key breaks by Rybakina... the first in the 7th game, which was to get back on serve at 3-4, and then, of course in the 11th game to go ahead 6-5. Both of those breaks were fierce battles that Rybakina won.

Onto the 3rd...

by ashkor87

JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:16 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:49 am Potapova has pedigree...didn't realise she is junior Wimbledon champion 2016...taken 7 years to start making an impact on the senior tour but not bad....
No it didn't take her 7 years. You don't get to her ranking overnight. She's been making good progress for a few years now and this is far from her first win over a decently ranked player.

She has done nothing much till Linz..I checked her record.

by ashkor87 With Rybakina playing poorly, Sabalenka is the clear favorite now...

by JazzNU

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:50 am
JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:16 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:49 am Potapova has pedigree...didn't realise she is junior Wimbledon champion 2016...taken 7 years to start making an impact on the senior tour but not bad....
No it didn't take her 7 years. You don't get to her ranking overnight. She's been making good progress for a few years now and this is far from her first win over a decently ranked player.
She has done nothing much till Linz..I checked her record.

So she's done nothing and magically got to a Top 30 ranking? Doesn't happen that way. Clearly you're just discovering her, but she's not some new player that has been below people's radar. People have been watching her since her junior career. She's had other big wins against ranked players at smaller and larger tournaments. I'm not just talking about 2023. She's more like a Kostyuk (only better at this point) where she has had several highs as she's figuring it out. This isn't the first time she's flashed that she is likely to ascend to the upper echelon of the game.

by JazzNU

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:48 am Rybakina's UE count is off the scale. Badosa may win this match solely on keeping the ball in.

I purposely said nothing about her so as not to spook her while playing well. She should've had this one and it would've done well for her confidence, might have been the thing to get her back on track.

by JazzNU

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:50 am
JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:16 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:49 am Potapova has pedigree...didn't realise she is junior Wimbledon champion 2016...taken 7 years to start making an impact on the senior tour but not bad....
No it didn't take her 7 years. You don't get to her ranking overnight. She's been making good progress for a few years now and this is far from her first win over a decently ranked player.
She has done nothing much till Linz..I checked her record.

What record were you checking?

by Deuce That was a really good 'character win' for Rybakina.
She was down and on the verge of defeat, and dug down and battled and hung in there... and eventually found a higher level of play and pretty much ran away with the 3rd set.

Rybakina "playing poorly"? No - not even close.
She had a shaky 1st set tonight, battled hard in the 2nd, doing what she had to do, and played great from about the middle of the 2nd set through to the end.
If anything, she showed tonight that she's even better than people thought she was, because of the added element of the guts she needed (and came up with) to win this match.

by skatingfan

JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:21 am So she's done nothing and magically got to a Top 30 ranking? Doesn't happen that way. Clearly you're just discovering her, but she's not some new player that has been below people's radar. People have been watching her since her junior career. She's had other big wins against ranked players at smaller and larger tournaments. I'm not just talking about 2023. She's more like a Kostyuk (only better at this point) where she has had several highs as she's figuring it out. This isn't the first time she's flashed that she is likely to ascend to the upper echelon of the game.

This is where I wish the WTA had a breakdown of player points like the ATP has, because it's hard to understand Potapova's top 30 ranking. She's got two smaller titles - one last month, and one last April - and a few finals, again at smaller tournaments. She seems to have had a very consistent year last year by winning rounds at most of the smaller tournaments she played, but struggled at the bigger events.

by nelslus LOL, it feels bizarre to say that, IMO, in just about any other time in Tiafoe's career, he'd have lost against Watanuki- who played at a ridiculously high standard. Down a set and 3-1 against a red-hot yet low-ranked opponent, Tiafoe would have found a way to fold. Incredible match- and great to see Francis pull this one out. As we all say so many times about players- hope to see Watanuki maintain this level.

by JTContinental

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:37 am Not surprised Coco lost.. she really isnt that good , yet.. the one I am suprised at is Vika, she had been playing well.. Berretini is the male version of Pliskova - what is he up to? Is he for real? Medvedev rolling through quietly, as expected. It is quite astonishing to me, how quickly Alcaraz has become #1 and how well he is actually doing - of course, keeping Djokovic out of the country helps, and now the clay court season begins, where I dont expect even Djokovic to beat him. I had thought Alcaraz would take a year or to get to this level of dominance, but he is already there!

She must be at least as good as Alexandrova because they have the same number of titles.

by ashkor87

JTContinental wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:15 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:37 am Not surprised Coco lost.. she really isnt that good , yet.. the one I am suprised at is Vika, she had been playing well.. Berretini is the male version of Pliskova - what is he up to? Is he for real? Medvedev rolling through quietly, as expected. It is quite astonishing to me, how quickly Alcaraz has become #1 and how well he is actually doing - of course, keeping Djokovic out of the country helps, and now the clay court season begins, where I dont expect even Djokovic to beat him. I had thought Alcaraz would take a year or to get to this level of dominance, but he is already there!
She must be at least as good as Alexandrova because they have the same number of titles.

no comment, doesnt deserve a response

by ponchi101

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:08 am With Rybakina playing poorly, Sabalenka is the clear favorite now...

Uhm. Rybakina played poorly again, indeed. But it is the sort of thing that can be corrected in one good training session: she was just hitting too many UE's.
I say this was a great match for her. We know about the strokes: other than a terrible swinging volley (and they all have terrible swinging volleys because that is a dumb shot), all her strokes are excellent. But now we know she also has the will to keep fighting. The seemingly "I am not even interested in this match" facade is really a front: Badosa had her yesterday, and Badosa did not fold, Rybakina kept fighting.
Sort of "memo to the WTA: I don't fold". Signed, Elena.
I keep liking her more and more.

by ponchi101 Bianca is playing solid tennis. Let's see if she is really back, or this is some hiccup.

by ti-amie Ashkor must be over the moon. Alexandrova is up 7-6(10), 5-2 with Bencic serving to stay in the match.

by ti-amie Alexandrova 7-6(10), 6-3

by ponchi101 He also likes Belinda, so it balances. Good win for Alexandrova.
---0---
Lajovic will get 5 games max.

by ponchi101 Wrong. He got six. A good second set by Lajovic.

by nelslus Yesterday, Chanda AND Annacone picked Vekic to win.

Pfffffffffftttttttttttttttttttttttt!

by nelslus

ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:03 pm Ashkor must be over the moon. Alexandrova is up 7-6(10), 5-2 with Bencic serving to stay in the match.

WELL, as we all now know- Pegula will never reach the career accomplishments and highlights of Alexandrova.

by ti-amie

by nelslus Meanwhile- Rajeev and Joe manage to lose to Paul and Shelton, 3 and 4. Happy for Tommy and especially for Ben. But, my favorites have just been dismal this year, especially by their standards. UGHHHH....

by ti-amie Monday, March 27, 2023 Day 8

Stadium Starts At 12:00 Noon

(Q) Cristian Garin VS (2) Stefanos Tsitsipas
Not Before 1:00 PM
(3) Jessica Pegula VS (20) Magda Linette
Followed By
(10) Elena Rybakina VS Elise Mertens
Not Before 7:00 Pm
Alex Molcan VS (4) Daniil Medvedev
Not Before 8:30 PM
TBD VS TBD - WTA

Grandstand Starts At 11:00 Am

Martina Trevisan VS (24) Jelena Ostapenko
Followed By
(5) Felix Auger-Aliassime VS (25) Francisco Cerundolo
Followed By
Lorenzo Sonego VS (12) Frances Tiafoe
Followed By
(8) Hubert Hurkacz VS Adrian Mannarino
Not Before 7:00 PM
Bianca Andreescu VS (18) Ekaterina Alexandrova

Butch Buchholz Starts At 11:00 Am

(14) Karen Khachanov VS Jiri Lehecka
Followed By
(23) Qinwen Zheng VS (27) Anastasia Potapova
Followed By
Sorana Cirstea VS Marketa Vondrousova
Followed By
TBD VS (Q) Varvara Gracheva
Followed By
(Q) Christopher Eubanks VS Gregoire Barrere

Court 1 Starts At 11:00 Am

Maximo Gonzalez/Andres Molteni VS Marcelo Melo/John Peers
Followed By
Quentin Halys VS Mackenzie McDonald
Followed By
Alexander Bublik/Miomir Kecmanovic VS (5) Lloyd Glasspool/Harri Heliovaara
Followed By / After Suitable Rest
(1) Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski VS Mackenzie McDonald/Botic van de Zandschulp
Followed By
Juan Sebastian Cabal/Robert Farah VS Santiago Gonzalez/Edouard Roger-Vasselin

Court 7 Starts At 11:00 Am

(ALT) Irina-Camelia Begu/Anhelina Kalinina VS (5) Yifan Xu/Zhaoxuan Yang
Followed By
Leylah Fernandez/Taylor Townsend VS (7) Beatriz Haddad Maia/Giuliana Olmos
Followed By
(8) Nicole Melichar-Martinez/Ellen Perez VS Anna Kalinskaya/Caty McNally

by ti-amie

by JTContinental

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:44 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:15 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:37 am Not surprised Coco lost.. she really isnt that good , yet.. the one I am suprised at is Vika, she had been playing well.. Berretini is the male version of Pliskova - what is he up to? Is he for real? Medvedev rolling through quietly, as expected. It is quite astonishing to me, how quickly Alcaraz has become #1 and how well he is actually doing - of course, keeping Djokovic out of the country helps, and now the clay court season begins, where I dont expect even Djokovic to beat him. I had thought Alcaraz would take a year or to get to this level of dominance, but he is already there!
She must be at least as good as Alexandrova because they have the same number of titles.
no comment, doesnt deserve a response

OK, well I have one. As a fan, I find your constant diminishment of Gauff and her accomplishments to be extremely offputting, and I'm asking you to reign it in a bit.

by JTContinental Now in that spirit, I have to admit that I was totally wrong about Krejcikova's return. I thought her singles ranking rise and French Open title were an aberration, but she seems to be picking up where she left off.

by ponchi101

JTContinental wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:23 pm Now in that spirit, I have to admit that I was totally wrong about Krejcikova's return. I thought her singles ranking rise and French Open title were an aberration, but she seems to be picking up where she left off.

She played poorly today and still won. That's a good sign.
I say right now, she is in the conversation for the top player. Yes, I know, she is outside the top 10, but she won Dubai, and lost at IW to Aryna. To me, putting her at #4 behind Iga, Aryna and Elena is not farfetched.

by JTContinental She'll definitely be at least top 10 soon, especially since she's not defending many points for the rest of the year.

by ti-amie

by Deuce Cirstea has kind of come out of nowhere the past few weeks to post some solid wins.
She has shown flashes of strong play in the past - very inconsistently - so we'll see how long this persists.
I don't know what happened with Muchova today (I didn't see the match), but she had been playing some really good tennis of late - the best since her injuries.

I saw only a few bits and pieces of Andreescu - Kenin. It was apparently quite close.
Maybe Kenin is finally headed in a positive direction...

Krejcikova withstood the challenge from Keys by using her head again. I say she's the most cerebral/intelligent player on the tour when it comes to figuring out her opponent's vulnerabilities, and how to capitalize on them to win the match.

Bouzkova vs. Sabalenka was, sadly, quite predictable. Sabalenka has been playing really well so far this year, and Bouzkova has not been.

by ashkor87 Kenin always looks like she is late for the bus or something.. busy little thing..

by martini4me I did not realize how much the women's draw had been open until I did my predictions. The 2,3 and 4 seeds are still in (and no. 1 Swiatek pulled out before the tourney began), but the next two seeds remaining and 10 and 15, and there are five unseeded players remaining.

by Deuce Botic just beat Ruud in 3 sets.
Ruud had his chances, but couldn’t close those games out.
Match point was indicative of the way the match went - Ruud should have won that point, too.

Botic looked like a guy they randomly pulled out of the crowd to play, with his plain white T-shirt (no collar), black shorts, and white baseball cap...

by ashkor87

nelslus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:38 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:03 pm Ashkor must be over the moon. Alexandrova is up 7-6(10), 5-2 with Bencic serving to stay in the match.
WELL, as we all now know- Pegula will never reach the career accomplishments and highlights of Alexandrova.

Are you trolling me?

by ashkor87

JTContinental wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:12 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:44 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:15 am

She must be at least as good as Alexandrova because they have the same number of titles.
no comment, doesnt deserve a response
OK, well I have one. As a fan, I find your constant diminishment of Gauff and her accomplishments to be extremely offputting, and I'm asking you to reign it in a bit.

Please learn the spelling of 'rein' first..that word 'reign' doesn't mean what you think it does.

I think most people here would agree Coco hasn't done much yet..hopefully she will, but still has too many deficiencies..

by ponchi101 I watched the Ruud/BVDZ match completely. Ruud is in problems (and Botic may be in problems too).
it is not the loss, it was the quality of play. There was a stretch around 3-3 in the third in which Casper missed, in succession, one easy FH approach (into the net), one swinging volley (long), could not put away an easy smash, and then missed a regular volley, wide by a few feet. As per above, the final point was a signature of what had happened, as he hit a smash right back at Botic, who returned it only for Casper to dump it into the net. G, S & M BVDZ.
I think Casper is a very good player; his results last year say so. But I started to wonder: what if Casper's 2022 is something like JC Ferrero's 2003? (RG, USO F, #1 ranking). And from that high, it all went downhill.
Sole consolation for him: Casper kept fighting. But he needs to start winning a few matches to get back into winning form.

by JTContinental

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 1:48 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:12 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:44 pm
no comment, doesnt deserve a response
OK, well I have one. As a fan, I find your constant diminishment of Gauff and her accomplishments to be extremely offputting, and I'm asking you to reign it in a bit.
Please learn the spelling of 'rein' first..that word 'reign' doesn't mean what you think it does.

I think most people here would agree Coco hasn't done much yet..hopefully she will, but still has too many deficiencies..

This isn’t fun or clever; now it’s just online harassment. Knock it off.

by ponchi101 Trevisan 3 & 3 over Alona. On a hard court?
She is the streakiest player ever (Alona). I said it in another topic: just hit it a little bit softer.

by nelslus

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 1:47 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:38 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:03 pm Ashkor must be over the moon. Alexandrova is up 7-6(10), 5-2 with Bencic serving to stay in the match.
WELL, as we all now know- Pegula will never reach the career accomplishments and highlights of Alexandrova.
Are you trolling me?

Yes. You had some snark coming to you.

by nelslus

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:21 pm Trevisan 3 & 3 over Alona. On a hard court?
She is the streakiest player ever (Alona). I said it in another topic: just hit it a little bit softer.

It is also so bizarre that Trevisan had been losing horrendously this year on hard courts. And, all of a sudden, she's playing so much better. These far improved results could not have come at a better time for her, as she has huge Roland Garros SF points to defend.

by nelslus

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 3:33 pm I watched the Ruud/BVDZ match completely. Ruud is in problems (and Botic may be in problems too).
it is not the loss, it was the quality of play. There was a stretch around 3-3 in the third in which Casper missed, in succession, one easy FH approach (into the net), one swinging volley (long), could not put away an easy smash, and then missed a regular volley, wide by a few feet. As per above, the final point was a signature of what had happened, as he hit a smash right back at Botic, who returned it only for Casper to dump it into the net. G, S & M BVDZ.
I think Casper is a very good player; his results last year say so. But I started to wonder: what if Casper's 2022 is something like JC Ferrero's 2003? (RG, USO F, #1 ranking). And from that high, it all went downhill.
Sole consolation for him: Casper kept fighting. But he needs to start winning a few matches to get back into winning form.

100%. Yet another crazy match. Casper's quality of play has very dramatically fallen so far this year. It would not at all have surprised me if his level had dropped some. But, sheeeeesh.

Join Thiem on the Challenger Tour? I mean, LOL, at least Casper has won some matches this year. But, while they both many times had some great rallies- van de Zandschulp was also nowhere near playing his best. Casper just choked more.

Funny- I don't recall it that Ferrero's career went downhill after his Roland Garros win. Of all things, he had a US Open final, an Aussie SF and two Wimbledon QF's after his 2003 Roland Garros win, and was winning titles and making finals until 2011. However, he was no longer a factor at Roland Garros after his win- never again making it past R3.

by mick1303

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 1:48 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:12 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:44 pm
no comment, doesnt deserve a response
OK, well I have one. As a fan, I find your constant diminishment of Gauff and her accomplishments to be extremely offputting, and I'm asking you to reign it in a bit.
Please learn the spelling of 'rein' first..that word 'reign' doesn't mean what you think it does.

I think most people here would agree Coco hasn't done much yet..hopefully she will, but still has too many deficiencies..

I've made a query of win-loss since 2019 (it'll cover Gauff career so far). Out of all American players during this time she has the 2nd best winning percentage - behind only Serena. She already has 3 titles and a final appearance in the Slam. You have awfully high standards if this "hasn't done much yet". If you think that looking only to Americans here is missing big picture - she is #12 on the overall list for this time.

by ti-amie Pegula romps through the first set vs Linette 6-1 in 28m

by Deuce And Linette comes back to be in control of the 2nd set, leading 5-2...
Only to completely blow it. Pegula won it 7-5.

Trevisan over Ostapenko would be an absolute shock if not for Ostapenko's history of inconsistency.
Every time I've seen Trevisan play lately, she has looked like she deserves a ranking of no higher than about #150.
I wish I had seen today's match.

Cirstea continuing to play well, taking the 1st set over Vondrousova...

Cerundolo 6-2 in 1st set over Felix...

Potapova over Qinwen in straight sets (2nd set tiebreak) is somewhat of a surprise.
I read where Qinwen was playing around with her racquets earlier this year, trying to get more power from them, only to realize that she had (rather predictably) less control.
She has supposedly gone back to the racquet specs she originally had now, but that sort of thing can play with your head, as most pro players are extremely particular about their racquets and strings.

https://www.wtatennis.com/news/3122339/ ... rous-again

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by Deuce Mertens was up a break on Rybakina in the 1st set... but Rybakina got the break right back. 4-4.

Felix came back from being a break down in the 2nd, but couldn't hold on, and lost - 2-6, 5-7.

by ti-amie

Someone said that Felix seemed to be struggling with the heat.

by Deuce

ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:52 pm
Someone said that Felix seemed to be struggling with the heat.

I didn't see enough of the match to be able to tell if that was the case or not.
I do know that he has a type of heart condition - sort of an arrhythmia type of thing - that has affected him on the court in rare moments (people might recall back in 2019, I think, he had to retire from a U.S. Open match vs. Shapovalov because of this heart condition).
It's tachycardia (palpitations).

by ponchi101 Rybakina back to her normal level. It just took her a couple of matches to adjust to these courts.

Adrian Mannarino. You would never want to play like Adrian Mannarino. But you should want to play like Adrian Mannarino, because that is the kind of game that can actually be imitated (you will NEVER, in a million years, hit one FH like Roger, Rafa or Novak).
He took the first set from Hurkacz. By just playing smart.

by ti-amie Tuesday, March 28, 2023 Day 9

Stadium Starts At 12:00 Noon

(9) Taylor Fritz VS (7) Holger Rune
Not Before 2:00 PM
(25) Martina Trevisan VS KAZ E. RYBAKINA (10)
Followed By
(1) Carlos Alcaraz VS (16) Tommy Paul
Not Before 7:00 PM
(3) Jessica Pegula VS (27) Anastasia Potapova
Not Before 8:30 Pm
Quentin Halys VS (4) Daniil Medvedev

Grandstand Starts At 11:00 Am

(10) Jannik Sinner VS (6) Andrey Rublev
Followed By
(26) Botic van de Zandschulp VS Emil Ruusuvuori
Not Before 2:30 Pm
(14) Karen Khachanov VS (2) Stefanos Tsitsipas
Followed By
Hubert Hurkacz Or Adrian Mannarino VS Christopher Eubanks Or Gregoire Barrere
Not Before 7:00 Pm
(25) Francisco Cerundolo VS Lorenzo Sonego Or Frances Tiafoe

Butch Buchholz Starts At 11:00 Am

QF
Maximo Gonzalez/Andres Molteni VS Austin Krajicek/Nicolas Mahut
Followed By
(3) Lyudmyla Kichenok/Jelena Ostapenko VS Leylah Fernandez/Taylor Townsend
Followed By
(OSE) Magda Linette/Bernarda Pera VS (ALT) Irina-Camelia Begu/Anhelina Kalinina
Not Before 5:00 Pm / After Suitable Rest
QF
Kevin Krawietz/Fabrice Martin VS Tommy Paul/Ben Shelton

by Deuce

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:19 pm Rybakina back to her normal level. It just took her a couple of matches to shake adjust to these courts.

Adrian Mannarino. You would never want to play like Adrian Mannarino. But you should want to play like Adrian Mannarino, because that is the kind of game that can actually be imitated (you will NEVER, in a million years, hit one FH like Roger, Rafa or Novak).
He took the first set from Hurkacz. By just playing smart.

I would never want to play AGAINST Mannarino!
He is this generation's Brad Gilbert.
He just beat Hurkacz in 2 tiebreak sets (blanking him in the 2nd).

by ti-amie

by ti-amie They finally halted play. I'm waiting to see if there's any more play tonight.

by ponchi101 Doubt it. The shot they showed was heavy, heavy rain. And considering that then you will need to dry the courts, if they re-start it will very late.

by ti-amie I'm hoping that they revise the OoP soon.

by Deuce Storms usually blow through, not lasting more than an hour.
After the rain stops, they can dry the court in about 30 to 45 minutes with their loud, polluting machines.

Tiafoe - Sonego has maybe an hour left (or maybe just 15 minutes) - Sonego is up a set and 3-2...

Barrerre and Eubanks are just starting a 2nd set tiebreak - so maybe an hour left there (or maybe just 15 minutes, as well) - Eubanks won the 1st set...

Andreescu - Alexandrova are not as advanced, still in the middle of the 1st set...

But all three of those matches are on different courts, so I think they can finish all three matches if the rain stops before, say, 10pm-ish.
Sabalenka - Krejcikova may have to wait until tomorrow... But if Sonego - Tiafoe finish quickly (like within 30 minutes of resuming), it's feasible that the Sabalenka - Kregcikova match could be played tonight.

I now see that the chance of rain drops to "21%" at 10pm.
Let's hope...

by Deuce ... and they're back on court...

Eubanks closed it out, winning the tiebreak. This gets him into the top 100, they said.
He seemed genuinely thrilled

.

by Deuce Sigh....
Andreescu again....

by Deuce For those interested in this latest deja vu...

Andreescu Injury...

Yeah - sure I feel bad for her, as her body is clearly not made to withstand the normal rigours of tennis... And she was playing better and perhaps even 'finding her groove'... but I grew tired of the dramatic effects quite a while ago.

The video in the link does not show how the injury occurred, nor does it reveal her initial screams, which were extremely loud.
For some reason, this 36 second clip seems to be the only thing the WTA has released on it.
She was down for about 10 minutes... Alexandrova gave her a nice hug and some encouraging words as she was put into the wheelchair and rolled off the court.

I was watching the match live on TV, and I replayed the point where she went down - in regular speed and in slow motion. It looked to me like a regular, normal side-step. It didn't look like she rolled her ankle. Maybe a bone simply snapped... maybe a ligament just tore.
It looked somewhat similar to Halep's injury from 2 years ago - in which she didn't do anything flagrant or abnormal - just a regular, very benign looking tennis stride.

by Deuce Brawn won over brains this time, as the hardest hitter on the tour beat the smartest on-court player on the tour... Sabalenka 6-3, 6-2 over Krejcikova.

Here is pretty much the entire Andreescu drama - including the fall.
(Turn your volume way up for full effect!...)

by Fastbackss

Deuce wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:30 pm,
I would never want to play AGAINST Mannarino!
He is this generation's Brad Gilbert.
He just beat Hurkacz in 2 tiebreak sets (blanking him in the 2nd).

That's it. He reminded me of someone and I couldn't place it, thank you.

As for Bianca, it's devastating that it has happened again. You've previously articulated (well) why you have the opinion that you do.

I get it, and I respect it.

With that preface, I admit (and probably in the minority) that I enjoy watching her play. I like the variety in her game and like when she fights in a match. I also like her interviews.
(Ironically, I just had this conversation on Sunday with my normal doubles partner - about how polarizing she is. It reminded me of when I was a youth and you either loved or hated Agassi. I was in the former camp - probably because it was the polar opposite of my personality)

by Deuce

Fastbackss wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:56 am
Deuce wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:30 pm
I would never want to play AGAINST Mannarino!
He is this generation's Brad Gilbert.
He just beat Hurkacz in 2 tiebreak sets (blanking him in the 2nd).
That's it. He reminded me of someone and I couldn't place it, thank you.

You're welcome.
You owe me 25 cents.

Do you think Mannarino will write a book on tennis and call it 'Winning Uglier'?

Fastbackss wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:56 am As for Bianca, it's devastating that it has happened again. You've previously articulated (well) why you have the opinion that you do.

I get it, and I respect it.

With that preface, I admit (and probably in the minority) that I enjoy watching her play. I like the variety in her game and like when she fights in a match. I also like her interviews.

I don't hate her or anything... It's just that drama follows her everywhere - and when that's the case, it's not a mere co-incidence - it's because the person brings it upon him/her self.
I also don't like the fact that she seems to possess virtually no genuine humility. Back in 2019, when she was doing well, all she kept saying was "This is just the beginning". That's arrogant. I don't think it pleased many people.
Even last year, in an on-court interview, she said to the fans something along the lines of "I know that my dog Coco gets a lot of attention, but let's focus the attention right here on me, ok?" as she pointed to herself.
I'd like to like her... but with this stuff, I can't. I hope she grows up soon.

She does have an interesting game, though - as you mention, more variety than most. That's one reason I'd like to like her. But...

Fastbackss wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:56 am (Ironically, I just had this conversation on Sunday with my normal doubles partner - about how polarizing she is. It reminded me of when I was a youth and you either loved or hated Agassi. I was in the former camp - probably because it was the polar opposite of my personality)

^ That's interesting - because the reason I really DISLIKED Agassi was because his personality was the polar opposite of mine. Everything he did was to get attention. Not unlike Bianca (though she does different things than Agassi did).

by atlpam

nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:48 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 3:33 pm I watched the Ruud/BVDZ match completely. Ruud is in problems (and Botic may be in problems too).
it is not the loss, it was the quality of play. There was a stretch around 3-3 in the third in which Casper missed, in succession, one easy FH approach (into the net), one swinging volley (long), could not put away an easy smash, and then missed a regular volley, wide by a few feet. As per above, the final point was a signature of what had happened, as he hit a smash right back at Botic, who returned it only for Casper to dump it into the net. G, S & M BVDZ.
I think Casper is a very good player; his results last year say so. But I started to wonder: what if Casper's 2022 is something like JC Ferrero's 2003? (RG, USO F, #1 ranking). And from that high, it all went downhill.
Sole consolation for him: Casper kept fighting. But he needs to start winning a few matches to get back into winning form.
100%. Yet another crazy match. Casper's quality of play has very dramatically fallen so far this year. It would not at all have surprised me if his level had dropped some. But, sheeeeesh.

Join Thiem on the Challenger Tour? I mean, LOL, at least Casper has won some matches this year. But, while they both many times had some great rallies- van de Zandschulp was also nowhere near playing his best. Casper just choked more.

Funny- I don't recall it that Ferrero's career went downhill after his Roland Garros win. Of all things, he had a US Open final, an Aussie SF and two Wimbledon QF's after his 2003 Roland Garros win, and was winning titles and making finals until 2011. However, he was no longer a factor at Roland Garros after his win- never again making it past R3.

Ferrero was never the same after being out for awhile with a bad case of chicken pox.

by Fastbackss

Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:08 pm ]
You're welcome.
You owe me 25 cents.

Do you think Mannarino will write a book on tennis and call it 'Winning Uglier'?

Oh man, I just gave Megan a star in another thread. Expensive day so far (thank goodness for current exchange rate).

And that's funny about the book "sequel." I enjoyed Brad's book since I am devoid of innate talent haha

by ponchi101

atlpam wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:24 pm ...
100%. Yet another crazy match. Casper's quality of play has very dramatically fallen so far this year. It would not at all have surprised me if his level had dropped some. But, sheeeeesh.

Join Thiem on the Challenger Tour? I mean, LOL, at least Casper has won some matches this year. But, while they both many times had some great rallies- van de Zandschulp was also nowhere near playing his best. Casper just choked more.

Funny- I don't recall it that Ferrero's career went downhill after his Roland Garros win. Of all things, he had a US Open final, an Aussie SF and two Wimbledon QF's after his 2003 Roland Garros win, and was winning titles and making finals until 2011. However, he was no longer a factor at Roland Garros after his win- never again making it past R3.
Ferrero was never the same after being out for awhile with a bad case of chicken pox.

I had totally forgotten about the chicken pox issue. Vague recollections of that now.
And, as Nelslus says, sure, he did not go from #1 to #150 in months. But he was never the same. Casper is not going out of the top 50 anytime soon; he is too good for that. But with this quality of play, he is heading straight out of the top 10 in a very short while.

by Suliso Good win for Sinner over a higher ranked opponent.

by ponchi101 And it was not even close. Sinner was pummeling strokes all over.

by Fastbackss

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:54 pm And it was not even close. Sinner was pummeling strokes all over.

I thought it was going to be a good match. It was far from it.

I felt like I was watching USTA match where someone has to play up a level. Rublev was consistently kept on his back foot and punished

by ti-amie Thanks for the full video of the Bianca incident Deuce.

by ponchi101 I knew that Trevisan would not beat Elena. But, I thought I would have time to at least see the end of the 2nd set.
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Why am I rooting against Carlitos? What's wrong with me?

by ti-amie

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:48 pm I knew that Trevisan would not beat Elena. But, I thought I would have time to at least see the end of the 2nd set.
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Why am I rooting against Carlitos? What's wrong with me?

Seriously though it's your right. I wanted Trevisan to do more than she did today too. Oh well.

by ponchi101 I just don't want him to rule the sport with no competition. But of course I root for him.
But, I like Paul a lot. So, today, go Tommy.

by ti-amie

by nelslus

atlpam wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:24 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:48 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 3:33 pm I watched the Ruud/BVDZ match completely. Ruud is in problems (and Botic may be in problems too).
it is not the loss, it was the quality of play. There was a stretch around 3-3 in the third in which Casper missed, in succession, one easy FH approach (into the net), one swinging volley (long), could not put away an easy smash, and then missed a regular volley, wide by a few feet. As per above, the final point was a signature of what had happened, as he hit a smash right back at Botic, who returned it only for Casper to dump it into the net. G, S & M BVDZ.
I think Casper is a very good player; his results last year say so. But I started to wonder: what if Casper's 2022 is something like JC Ferrero's 2003? (RG, USO F, #1 ranking). And from that high, it all went downhill.
Sole consolation for him: Casper kept fighting. But he needs to start winning a few matches to get back into winning form.
100%. Yet another crazy match. Casper's quality of play has very dramatically fallen so far this year. It would not at all have surprised me if his level had dropped some. But, sheeeeesh.

Join Thiem on the Challenger Tour? I mean, LOL, at least Casper has won some from matches this year. But, while they both many times had some great rallies- van de Zandschulp was also nowhere near playing his best. Casper just choked more.

Funny- I don't recall it that Ferrero's career went downhill after his Roland Garros win. Of all things, he had a US Open final, an Aussie SF and two Wimbledon QF's after his 2003 Roland Garros win, and was winning titles and making finals until 2011. However, he was no longer a factor at Roland Garros after his win- never again making it past R3.
Ferrero was never the same after being out for awhile with a bad case of chicken pox.

AH, OK, and looking at his rankings after his chicken pox at IW in 2004, his ranking sure did slide. Having said that- he did have a career resurgence rankings-wise as of 2005- 2008 (rankings from #15- 23 through June 2008, and again, from August 2009 through Feb. 2011- rankings from #14- 29. And, post chicken pox, he had the two Wimbledon QF's- and won five titles. I wouldn't call this any kind of "going downhill"- especially factoring Roger/Rafa/Novak/Murry/Roddick and others into this picture. So, maybe his career was gonna decline anyway? Who knows? But, thanks for this- I forgot all about that.

by nelslus

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:31 pm I just don't want him to rule the sport with no competition. But of course I root for him.
But, I like Paul a lot. So, today, go Tommy.

Pffffffffffffft. You got your Rafa, I got my Roger. Time for some Carlos tour slaughter, I sez.

SERIOUSLY, though- I don't think Carlos is going anywhere near Novak/Rafa/Roger level of owning the tour. The likes of Sinner, Medvedev, probably Rune, etc. are gonna get their Slam titles. (*AND, one US Open title for Tiafoe, please!) And, I think it's gonna take a minute for Alcaraz to seriously contend at Wimbledon.

OH- and there's.....ummmmm.....Novak.

AND- let's remember the women's tour....Naomi's gonna take over the tour....then Barty.....then Iga.....then Rybakina, no, it's Sabalenka, no, we were right the first, it's Rybakina....

We are all gonna have to wait and see. (Still- GO ALCARAZ!!!!!!! Dominate, baby!!!!!)

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by ti-amie

Something to do with Fernando Alonso.

by mick1303

Deuce wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:30 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:19 pm Rybakina back to her normal level. It just took her a couple of matches to shake adjust to these courts.

Adrian Mannarino. You would never want to play like Adrian Mannarino. But you should want to play like Adrian Mannarino, because that is the kind of game that can actually be imitated (you will NEVER, in a million years, hit one FH like Roger, Rafa or Novak).
He took the first set from Hurkacz. By just playing smart.
I would never want to play AGAINST Mannarino!
He is this generation's Brad Gilbert.
He just beat Hurkacz in 2 tiebreak sets (blanking him in the 2nd).

Don't see many parallels with Brad Gilbert. Of course, I did not watch Gilbert all that much - the tennis on TV in the Soviet Union was not often. But still I saw some of his matches towards the end of his career, I guess. From my memory it was boring. Mannarino is far from boring. He takes the ball extremely early to make up for the lack of pace. He puts balls in uncomfortable positions for opponents. Do not see his game at all as ugly. It is different - yes. But far from ugly.

by ti-amie Wednesday, March 29, 2023 Day 10

Stadium Starts At 1:00 Pm

Sorana Cirstea VS (2) Aryna Sabalenka
Not Before 3:00 Pm
QF
Emil Ruusuvuori VS (10) Jannik Sinner
Not Before 7:00 PM
(18) Ekaterina Alexandrova VS (15) Petra Kvitova
Not Before 8:30 Pm
QF
(1) Carlos Alcaraz VS (9) Taylor Fritz

Grandstand Starts At 1:00 Pm

(1) Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski VS Santiago Gonzalez/Edouard Roger-Vasselin
Followed By
QF
Nathaniel Lammons/Jackson Withrow VS (5) Lloyd Glasspool/Harri Heliovaara

Butch Buchholz Starts At 1:00 Pm

(8) Nicole Melichar-Martinez/Ellen Perez VS Hao-Ching Chan/Latisha Chan
Not Before 2:30 PM
(6) Storm Hunter/Elise Mertens VS (2) Coco Gauff/Jessica Pegula

by ponchi101

nelslus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:24 pm ...

Pffffffffffffft. You got your Rafa, I got my Roger. Time for some Carlos tour slaughter, I sez.

SERIOUSLY, though- I don't think Carlos is going anywhere near Novak/Rafa/Roger level of owning the tour. The likes of Sinner, Medvedev, probably Rune, etc. are gonna get their Slam titles. (*AND, one US Open title for Tiafoe, please!) And, I think it's gonna take a minute for Alcaraz to seriously contend at Wimbledon.

OH- and there's.....ummmmm.....Novak.

AND- let's remember the women's tour....Naomi's gonna take over the tour....then Barty.....then Iga.....then Rybakina, no, it's Sabalenka, no, we were right the first, it's Rybakina....

We are all gonna have to wait and see. (Still- GO ALCARAZ!!!!!!! Dominate, baby!!!!!)

You never got it

. I am not a Rafa fan. And I am not a Roger fan. I am a fan of both. The matches between them were excruciating for me.
It was like the 1992 USO Final. My favorite player of all time is Pete. My second favorite player is Stefan. I loved and hated that final all the way.

And, yes. It will take a while before Carlitos can even come close to any sort of domination like what we saw, because of, yes, Novak. But right now, he is looking very solid.

by ponchi101 BTW. Had never seen Eubanks before. Lovely, lovely 1 hand BH. Specially for somebody so tall.

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by nelslus

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:15 pmYou never got it . I am not a Rafa fan. And I am not a Roger fan. I am a fan of both. The matches between them were excruciating for me.
It was like the 1992 USO Final. My favorite player of all time is Pete. My second favorite player is Stefan. I loved and hated that final all the way.

And, yes. It will take a while before Carlitos can even come close to any sort of domination like what we saw, because of, yes, Novak. But right now, he is looking very solid.

OH, I got it- as all Roger fans got it. Don't try to back it up now, you, you, you.......Rafa fan!!

As for Eubanks- John and I have seen Chris play a few times in the scrub leagues- including Winnetka, IL. As is true for a number of players in the scrub tour- Chris has always had talent. Thing is, he's like Tiafoe on steroids- goes for everything, with precious little margin for error. When he plays well, it's really fun to watch him play. He just hits the snot out the ball- and, indeed, has a great and beautiful one-handed backhand. Hope he can take out Mannarino and be able, hopefully, to play all of the Slams this year, at least.

by ti-amie

by Deuce Seeing Pegula drying the lines herself (with the foot/towel technique) was an interesting and refreshing novelty.
Usually, rich kids will call for the butler or the maid to do those things...

Forecast says only 5% chance of rain at 11pm and the rest of overnight.
Play should resume within 30 minutes.

Mannarino - Eubanks to continue on Grandstand...
Sonego - Cerundolo has been moved to Buchholz.
Medvedev - Halys still scheduled for Stadium after Pegula - Potapova (which hasn't started yet).

by Deuce Interesting 1st set between Potapova and Pegula...
Pegula won the first 2 games... then Potapova won the next 5 games... then Pegula won the next 2 games... then Potapova had 3 set/break points on Pegula's serve, capitalizing on the third one.
6-4 Potapova.

Eubanks won the 1st set tiebreak over Mannarino. They're at 4-4 in the 2nd.
Mannarino really looks like some random guy pulled out of the crowd with his plain beige/khaki t-shirt with no markings on it, plain burgundy shorts, also without markings, and it looks like he's wearing regular running shoes/sneakers rather than tennis shoes (probably not, but they look like regular running shoes)...

Sonego won the 1st set over Cerundolo.

by Deuce Eubanks wins over Mannarino in 2 tiebreak sets.
Eubanks seems to be quite a genuine and engaging down-to-Earth guy. I hope he remains this grounded if he continues to rise in the rankings and get more attention (and I hope he does continue to rise in the rankings).

Pegula took the 2nd set 6-3, after being down 0-2.
Onto the 3rd. Potapova has won the most 3rd sets this season thus far...

Cerundolo also won the 2nd set 6-3. Onto the 3rd there, as well...

by Deuce Pegula was tiring in the first half of the 3rd set... She missed three easy overheads long, and generally wasn’t moving well... And she was missing other routine shots.

The 3rd set was rather low quality play by both.
Potapova had a couple of match points at 5-4, but was eventually broken. Then she broke Pegula right back to go ahead 6-5... at which point Pegula, naturally, broke back to send it to a tiebreak.

In the end, Pegula found a second (or third or fourth) wind, and pulled it out - 7-2 in the tiebreak.
At Indian Wells a couple of weeks ago, with the same two players, Pegula won 7-5 in the 3rd.

In the on-court interview after the match, Pegula looked and sounded exhausted as she said to the crowd “Thank you everyone for coming to watch whatever just happened tonight.”

Cerundolo won the 3rd set over Sonego...
Medvedev still isn’t finished, but looks to be on his way to a straight sets victory over Halys.

by jazzyg What a gutsy win by Pegula. She was down two match points to Potapova at 5-4, broke for 5-5, got broken again, then was down 30-15 but came back to break again before dominating the tiebreaker.

I love her game. She's cannot play at the level of Sabalenka, Swiatek and Rybakina when they are in good form, but she gives everything she has and is nearly impossible to beat for anyone else. She moves well, hits her forehand and backhand well and plays smart tennis.

by nelslus

jazzyg wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 5:33 am What a gutsy win by Pegula. She was down two match points to Potapova at 5-4, broke for 5-5, got broken again, then was down 30-15 but came back to break again before dominating the tiebreaker.

I love her game. She's cannot play at the level of Sabalenka, Swiatek and Rybakina when they are in good form, but she gives everything she has and is nearly impossible to beat for anyone else. She moves well, hits her forehand and backhand well and plays smart tennis.

WELL, just this year, so far, Petra beat her at IW (and also BTW beat her at the United Cup at the very end of last year), Krejčíková beat her in Dubai, and Azarenka beat her at the Aussie Open....then, at last year's WTA final, Jabeur and Sakkari beat her, Garcia beat her at Cincinnati, Halep beat her at the Canadian Open, Gavrilova beat her at the Citi Open, Martic beat her at Wimbledon....

Truly, no disrespect meant- and I admire the heck out of Pegula's record. She just keeps grinding, and winning a lot of matches in singles and doubles. But, it is just not true that she is nearly impossible for anyone else to beat her. She IS quite beatable for plenty of players- as is true of almost all of the players, on any given day. I do just respect how she keeps going.

by nelslus SO geeked that Eubanks managed to win today. I watched some of the match on Tennis Channel Plus- and Chris was so clutch in the tiebreakers- winning the big points with huge shots. Great backhand winner down the line on Mannarino's second serve to win the match. LOL, sure, I STRONGLY suspect this is the end of the road with this tournament for Chris with his next opponent....

IN any case....Terrific win, gets him in live rankings to #85- which I DO now hope means he gets to play at all of the Slams this year. Hopefully, he can win some matches at some of the higher level tournaments he'll now be able to get in, in the near future. He's 26. So, health permitting, time is on his side, and he can stay on the main ATP tour for awhile.

by ponchi101 About Pegula.
She is a prime example of what I call the tour's parity. She now goes against Rybakina, who is playing on fire recently. And Pegula has beaten her in both matches they have played.
The one player that has separated a little bit from the rest is Iga, in that she seldom loses to very low ranked players. But then, you remember Wimbledon last year (Alize) and you see that she is like all other players today. Very, very good. Not invincible.
There is nobody in the tour right now that you can say is a Serena/Steffi/Martina. Players than when they lost to the #5 player in the world you were truly surprised.
Having said this about Pegula: GO ELENA! I just simply love it when I come home, turn on the TV and ESPN is showing her walking to the net after the match is over... and I can't tell if she won or lost.

by jazzyg

nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 5:47 am
WELL, just this year, so far, Petra beat her at IW (and also BTW beat her at the United Cup at the very end of last year), Krejčíková beat her in Dubai, and Azarenka beat her at the Aussie Open....then, at last year's WTA final, Jabeur and Sakkari beat her, Garcia beat her at Cincinnati, Halep beat her at the Canadian Open, Gavrilova beat her at the Citi Open, Martic beat her at Wimbledon....

Truly, no disrespect meant- and I admire the heck out of Pegula's record. She just keeps grinding, and winning a lot of matches in singles and doubles. But, it is just not true that she is nearly impossible for anyone else to beat her. She IS quite beatable for plenty of players- as is true of almost all of the players, on any given day. I do just respect how she keeps going.

You're right. I totally overstated the case. What I should have said was Pegula is terminally underrated by almost everyone as a tough competitor who wins with consistency but is not a top talent. She's a lot better than that in my opinion. I believe she is one of the five most talented players on the WTA tour at the moment but not quite good enough to compete with Sabalena, Rybakina and Swiatek when they are in form. She also lacks the creativity to neutralize their power the way Krejcikova can when she's feeling right.

Pegula's ranking of 3 is slightly inflated because of her consistency, but her ability is higher than almost anyone thinks, in my opinion. Better than, say, Bencic or Gauff unless Gauff figures out how to fix her forehand. I will be surprised if Pegula's level dips without an injury. I believe she is here to stay near the top of the game for a few years. It will be tough for her to win a slam, but not impossible with the right breaks.

by mick1303 Pegula career win-loss percentage is 60%, Gauff is 66%. IMO 6% is a significant gap.

by ponchi101

jazzyg wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:31 pm ...

You're right. I totally overstated the case. What I should have said was Pegula is terminally underrated by almost everyone as a tough competitor who wins with consistency but is not a top talent. She's a lot better than that in my opinion. I believe she is one of the five most talented players on the WTA tour at the moment but not quite good enough to compete with Sabalena, Rybakina and Swiatek when they are in form. She also lacks the creativity to neutralize their power the way Krejcikova can when she's feeling right.

Pegula's ranking of 3 is slightly inflated because of her consistency, but her ability is higher than almost anyone thinks, in my opinion. Better than, say, Bencic or Gauff unless Gauff figures out how to fix her forehand. I will be surprised if Pegula's level dips without an injury. I believe she is here to stay near the top of the game for a few years. It will be tough for her to win a slam, but not impossible with the right breaks.

Exactly. She is in that group of players that, if somebody else takes care of the Iga/Aryna/Elena current top, she can do it. Not saying she will because then we have the USO 2021 and Emma/Leylah reaching the final, but Jessica would be in the mix.

mick1303 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:42 pm Pegula career win-loss percentage is 60%, Gauff is 66%. IMO 6% is a significant gap.

Agree. The sample size for Jessica is about 550 matches; that is significant. The sample size for Coco is a bit over 200, but that is still significant. So a 6% difference is statistically significant.

by ponchi101 Sorana doing her best to remind us that this concept of "The Big Three" should really be "The Slightly Larger Than Average Three".

by ti-amie Cirstea took the first set but Sabalenka is up 3-2 in the second set after Cirstea raced to a 2-0 lead to open the set. Sabalenka was erratic and tossed in three doubles in that first set.

by ti-amie Errors flying off Sabalenka racquet now as Cirstea breaks and consolidates for 6-4, 5-3 lead. Sabalenka serving to stay in it now.

by ti-amie Cirstea will serve for the match at 6-4, 5-4.

Sabalenka has 20 UFE's to Cirstea's 9 (the number for Cirstea might be wrong)

by ti-amie GSM Sorana Cirstea 6-4, 6-4 over #2 ranked Aryna Sabalenka. Romanians in the crowd are ecstatic.

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by nelslus

ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:36 pm GSM Sorana Cirstea 6-4, 6-4 over #2 ranked Aryna Sabalenka. Romanians in the crowd are ecstatic.

AH. Glad to hear that 35 of the 78 audience members were ecstatic.

.....Too soon to start up The Sabalenka is Washed Up Thread?

by ti-amie Clarey has now moved to Mastodon. That's big for #tennis

by ti-amie

ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:28 pm Cirstea will serve for the match at 6-4, 5-4.

Sabalenka has 20 UFE's to Cirstea's 9 (the number for Cirstea might be wrong)

Final UFE count Sabalenka 21 Cirstea 9

by nelslus

jazzyg wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:31 pm I believe she is one of the five most talented players on the WTA tour at the moment but not quite good enough to compete with Sabalena, Rybakina and Swiatek when they are in form. She also lacks the creativity to neutralize their power the way Krejcikova can when she's feeling right.

LOL, please forgive me in advance as I continue to be The Room Pegula Contrarian.

I mean, even at the combined age of 108, I'd still say that Petra and Mugsy are more talented. I think Pegula's doubles partner is more talented. The list could go on and on.

And, sure, some will give Pegula demerit points for all of the huge monetary advantages she has always had. An arguable criticism. BUT- a billionaire still can't automatically create a #3 ranked player. Jessica has taken all of these advantages, strategically used them, and works her ass off, far more than almost all other players. Playing top-notch doubles gives her further advantages and options during her singles matches. VERY smart player.

by nelslus ....AND, LOL, IF Petra can somehow win today's Battle of the Unforced Errors....Cirstea has a history of beating Petra at two Aussies (albeit, Petra beat her at Wimbledon and last year's Cincinnati tournament. 6-4 bare advantage Head to Head record for Petra. So- YAY?!?!?

Cirstea is currently being interviewed on Tennis Channel. And, my GOODNESS, her speaking voice is VERY!!!! annoyingly girly and squeaky high-pitched. YEEESH!! SHUT UP ALREADY, PLEASE!!!!

by Fastbackss

ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:40 pm Clarey has now moved to Mastodon. That's big for #tennis

But I suppose he's still posting on Twitter for now?

by ponchi101

nelslus wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:40 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:36 pm GSM Sorana Cirstea 6-4, 6-4 over #2 ranked Aryna Sabalenka. Romanians in the crowd are ecstatic.
AH. Glad to hear that 35 of the 78 audience members were ecstatic.

.....Too soon to start up The Sabalenka is Washed Up Thread?

Because when has that ever stopped you?

by Suliso

mick1303 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:42 pm Pegula career win-loss percentage is 60%, Gauff is 66%. IMO 6% is a significant gap.

Yes, but I don't think it makes much sense too look now at all of Pegula's career. She was having a very mediocre one before 2021.

Win-loss percentage 2021-present 68% Pegula, 67% Gauff. Basically equal, also confirmed by very similar ranking in this time frame.

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by Deuce Today showed that Sabalenka has not yet exorcized the demons of beating herself.

That said - and it is valid -, Cirstea is going through a good patch now. I don't expect it to last, because she has been known throughout her career to be just as psychologically fragile as Sabalenka.

by nelslus

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:51 pmBecause when has that ever stopped you?

....Be careful, or I'll re-start-up the Jon Wertheim thread.

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by Deuce

ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:58 pm

How can there possibly be any rain during the 'Sunshine Double'?

It doesn't look very good for tonight - rain is only supposed to let up around 11pm.
They might get one in, but playing both will be a challenge.

by Owendonovan

Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:17 pm
ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:58 pm
How can there possibly be any rain during the 'Sunshine Double'?

It doesn't look very good for tonight - rain is only supposed to let up around 11pm.
They might get one in, but playing both will be a challenge.

Don't worry, someone is likely filing a lawsuit over it. That's the American way.

by Deuce I've heard now that the entire night session tonight has been cancelled.
I assume they'll update tomorrow's Order Of Play in the coming hours.

by ti-amie The weather doesn't look great for tomorrow either.

by ti-amie Thursday, March 30, 2023 Day 11

Stadium Starts At 1:00 Pm

QF
(Q) Christopher Eubanks VS (4) Daniil Medvedev
Not Before 3:00 PM
(18) Ekaterina Alexandrova VS (15) Petra Kvitova
Not Before 7:00 Pm
QF
(1) Carlos Alcaraz VS (9) Taylor Fritz
Not Before 8:30 Pm
(10) Elena Rybakina VS (3) Jessica Pegula

Grandstand Starts At 2:30 Pm / TBF 7/6(3) 3/6 3-4

QF
Nathaniel Lammons/Jackson Withrow VS (5) Lloyd Glasspool/Harri Heliovaara
Not Before 3:00 Pm
QF
(25) Francisco Cerundolo VS (14) Karen Khachanov
Not Before 5:00 Pm
SF
Santiago Gonzalez/Edouard Roger-Vasselin VS Nathaniel Lammons/Jackson Withrow Or Lloyd Glasspool/Harri Heliovaara
Followed By
SF
Austin Krajicek/Nicolas Mahut VS Kevin Krawietz/Fabrice Martin

by JTContinental Seeing Eubanks play for the first time, and you know you are skinny when Medvedev looks like the buff one on court

by ti-amie We saw him play several years ago at the US Open and while he had an aggressive game we wondered if his physique would allow him to have a decent career. He's done better than we expected.

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by ti-amie Meanwhile Alexandrova is up 5-2 in the second set.

by ti-amie Alexandrova took the second set 6-3. Kvitova is serving to start the third set.

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by Suliso Not bad by Petra in her old age.

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by ponchi101 Let's see if Elena can keep her part of the deal.

by ti-amie Carlitos 6-4, 6-2 over Fritz.

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by ti-amie Friday, March 31, 2023 Day 12

Stadium Starts At 1:00 Pm

SF
(4) Daniil Medvedev VS (14) Karen Khachanov
Not Before 3:00 PM
(15) Petra Kvitova VS Sorana Cirstea
Not Before 7:00 Pm
SF
(1) Carlos Alcaraz VS (10) Jannik Sinner
Followed By
(OSE)
Magda Linette/Bernarda Pera VS Leylah Fernandez/Taylor Townsend

Butch Buchholz Starting At 3:00 PM

(6) Storm Hunter/Elise Mertens VS (2) Coco Gauff/Jessica Pegula
After Suitable Rest
(8) Nicole Melichar-Martinez/Ellen Perez VS TBD

by ti-amie There is a rain delay in Miami. The OoP may change.

by ponchi101 This second set (Pegula/Elena) is pretty low quality.
And Elena is complaining a lot to her box. Not the same attitude.

by Deuce Pegula had control of this 2nd set (kind of) - she was up a break at 4-2... but squandered that, and is now somehow down a break - 4-5 now.
Rybakina won the 1st set, rain delayed tiebreak 12-10.

by ashkor87

nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:26 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 1:47 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:38 pm

WELL, as we all now know- Pegula will never reach the career accomplishments and highlights of Alexandrova.
Are you trolling me?
Yes. You had some snark coming to you.

why? instead of appreciating my being right about Alexandrova..? what kind of tennis forum is this anyway? is it a troll platform?

by ashkor87

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:53 pm About Pegula.
She is a prime example of what I call the tour's parity. She now goes against Rybakina, who is playing on fire recently. And Pegula has beaten her in both matches they have played.
The one player that has separated a little bit from the rest is Iga, in that she seldom loses to very low ranked players. But then, you remember Wimbledon last year (Alize) and you see that she is like all other players today. Very, very good. Not invincible.
There is nobody in the tour right now that you can say is a Serena/Steffi/Martina. Players than when they lost to the #5 player in the world you were truly surprised.
Having said this about Pegula: GO ELENA! I just simply love it when I come home, turn on the TV and ESPN is showing her walking to the net after the match is over... and I can't tell if she won or lost.

Pegula is now my benchmark player, as Halep was - if you can beat her, you may be a Tier 1 player, if you are not Tier 1, you probabaly cannot beat her.. she will not lose to a lesser player.. very reliable, as benchmarks need to be!

by ashkor87 Rybakina looks tired now, looking for a reason to lose.. wont be surprised if Cirstea knocks her off...Kvitova, may be not..

by ashkor87 Sabalenka is clearly the shakiest member of the 'big 3' - capable of beating herself on any given day.. that is not true of the other two.. but still, Sabalenka is a member of the 'big 3'... dont really see a fourth, though Krejcikova made a case for it.. if Halep comes back, fit and healthy, she would be in the 'big 4', perhaps... she is a two-time major champion after all...

by mick1303

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:24 pm Sabalenka is clearly the shakiest member of the 'big 3' - capable of beating herself on any given day.. that is not true of the other two.. but still, Sabalenka is a member of the 'big 3'... dont really see a fourth, though Krejcikova made a case for it.. if Halep comes back, fit and healthy, she would be in the 'big 4', perhaps... she is a two-time major champion after all...

The thing with WTA is that being a Slam champion or even 2-times Slam champion does not necessarily mean high standard. On ATP side the Slam being bo5 puts significantly higher threshold IMO. We currently have Muguruza, Azarenka and Kvitova in many recent draws, but they are far from favorites. And Stephens, Kenin, Raducanu, Andreescu are outright struggling.

by ponchi101

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:24 pm Sabalenka is clearly the shakiest member of the 'big 3' - capable of beating herself on any given day.. that is not true of the other two.. but still, Sabalenka is a member of the 'big 3'... dont really see a fourth, though Krejcikova made a case for it.. if Halep comes back, fit and healthy, she would be in the 'big 4', perhaps... she is a two-time major champion after all...

Isn't that a position in which you are going by preconceived notions? Sabalenka loses to ANYBODY and there are immediate calls about her "defeating herself". She goes three or four matches hitting 2 -3 double faults, and we don't hear anything. Then she hits 6 in one match, and we immediately go to "her serving yips are back".
Yet, Rybakina hit 39 UE yesterday against Pegula, and 6 DF, and we applaud her mental strength. Yes, she won, but that was a very sloppy match. In her match against Badosa, she hit 69 UE's. It is as if some players get some particular label and it never gets washed away.
it reminds me of Lendl. He lost his first four slam finals and people were talking about how mentally weak he was; how he could not win the big matches. Nobody ever mentioned he lost to BORG AT RG (81), CONNORS AT THE USO (82-83) and Wilander at the Aussie (on grass, his least favored surface). Nope, he was mentally weak. Then he beats Mac in 5 at RG 84, so it was well. And then, he lost to Mac at the USO later that year and it was all back to the same narrative: he was mentally weak.
Sabalenka plays a high risk game; she blasts everything. So sure, she will have some losses that are odd, but notice something: whatever is happening, she continues to belt the ball. It does not seem like choking to me.

by ti-amie Cirstea is up 5-2 first set on Kvitova.

by ti-amie AND Kvitova is serving for the first set at 6-5...

by ti-amie Kvitova 7-5 first set.

by ti-amie

by Deuce Some people continue to deny the obvious importance of the psychological element in tennis.
Oh, well...

We just had yet another fine example of the psychological element - Cirstea was up 5-2 in the 1st set vs. Kvitova, and Kvitova rattled off 5 straight games to win the set 7-5.
If this was not a radical psychological turn around - by both players - then either Cirstea suddenly lost her physical ability or Kvitova's physical ability suddenly improved dramatically. But even if one believes that to be the case, WHY did their physical abilities suddenly change.
Yeah... we're back to the psychological element.

And so, Sabalenka has a long standing reputation of beating herself - or choking - for one simple reason: because she chokes. To me, it cannot be more obvious. When the pressure increases, her level of play decreases.
It stands to reason that there will be more pressure vs. the better players - because they put more pressure on their opponents, obviously.

Sabalenka has improved her psychological strength this year - we see that in her results. She's not getting better results because she is suddenly hitting the ball better; she's getting better results because she is handling situations better and with more confidence.
That said, there is obviously still doubt in her mind about her own abilities. And we see that come out every once in a while still.

The mind and the body are attached. Being psychologically fragile in an activity like competitive sports leads very directly to a degree of physical incapacity. In other words, pressure affects performance. Those who handle the pressure better will be those who perform better physically. This has been so since time began, and isn't about to change anytime soon.

I will again use the analogy of a 2x4 piece of wood... Lie the 2x4 on solid ground - a floor, a road, whatever. Step onto that 2x4 and run and dance on it. No problem - easy.
Then put that very same 2x4 piece of wood 20 feet in the air, and supported so that it is just as stable as it was when it was on firm ground - but with nothing beside it and with only a cement floor 20 feet below it. Now try to run and dance on it.
Suddenly, it's not so easy to run and dance on it, despite it being the exact same 2x4. This is obviously because the mental state has changed significantly. There is now a severe consequence of falling off of the 2x4. That creates pressure. And that pressure results in less confidence. And the less confidence results in a degree of physical incapacity.
2+2=4.

by ti-amie Watching the match it seemed to me that Petra decided she wasn't going to lose and from that moment on she took over the match. Cirstea had nothing to counter what she was facing. She got off a few good shots here and there but Petra had her mind made up and got the 7-5, 6-4 win.

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by Deuce

ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:40 pm Watching the match it seemed to me that Petra decided she wasn't going to lose and from that moment on she took over the match. Cirstea had nothing to counter what she was facing. She got off a few good shots here and there but Petra had her mind made up and got the 7-5, 6-4 win.

Yes... One could almost see the pendulum swinging...
The better Kvitova played, the more discouraged Cirstea became. And the more discouraged Cirstea became, the better Kvitova played... and it just kept going in the same direction, with Kvitova gaining in confidence and Cirstea losing confidence.

by ponchi101 Well, Medvedev does claim he is a hard court expert. And his numbers claim so too.
But on Sunday he has to bring it to Carlitos (I don't see Sinner beating him).

by JTContinental

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:08 pm Well, Medvedev does claim he is a hard court expert. And his numbers claim so too.
But on Sunday he has to bring it to Carlitos (I don't see Sinner beating him).

I'm feeling the SinnerGy (TM) of an upset

by ponchi101 And I hope so; I have said already. I like Carlitos, but I don't want a dictatorship in the ATP.
But Sinner hits every ball the same, and Carlitos does not. He will (most likely) win it.

by nelslus

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:17 am
nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:26 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 1:47 pm

Are you trolling me?
Yes. You had some snark coming to you.
why? instead of appreciating my being right about Alexandrova..? what kind of tennis forum is this anyway? is it a troll platform?

WELL, you won't see this apparently, since you have decided, rather than to have a conversation about this with me directly, to block me as a "troll". Nevertheless- clearly, this troll, and others in here, HAVE proven you wrong about Alexandrova (at least for now), via factual match results data, vs. Pegula and otherwise. Thing is....well, ahem, ahem, let's just say, IF a nameless NON-troll anyone just posts every possible tennis match scenario in here (Parks' imminent Wimbledon title, for example- albeit, btw, I'd love it if she DID win Wimbledon one year)- sure, odds are, at some point, you'll make a correct assertion here and there. But- this does not make you as some kind of clairvoyant tennis expert. And, almost everyone else in here will admit when they are "wrong"- because it is also very, very easy to be wrong about tennis matches as of late. A little bit of self-deprecation and humility can work in here. But, what do I know? I'm just a troll.

by nelslus ....Concerning another matter, I kinda figured that the winner of Kvitova/Cirstea match is gonna be the sacrificial lamb to Rybakina tomorrow. Still, very well done. So nice to see Petra (albeit, however very, very temporarily) playing much more up to her abilities.

by ponchi101

nelslus wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:38 pm ....Concerning another matter, I kinda figured that the winner of Kvitova/Cirstea match is gonna be the sacrificial lamb to Rybakina tomorrow. Still, very well done. So nice to see Petra (albeit, however very, very temporarily) playing much more up to her abilities.

Not so fast.
Yes, if I had $100 and I must bet on somebody, I am picking Elena. But Elena is not playing GREAT tennis. Last night against Pegula she was all over the place (her shots). She even started talking to her coach and team, OUTLOUD, turning around and making STRAIGHT EYE CONTACT WITH THEM, which, for her, it is the sort of mental meltdown that in distant times would have had people dressed in white come to the court and put her in a straight jacket and lead her to a room to be doused with a cold water hose. FOR HER (other players would have been applauded for proper manners).
If she gives Petra 39 UE's, Petra has a chance. And notice that she (Elena) is roughly averaging 20 UE's per set against good players (69 UE's vs Badosa, in three sets).
So, at the very least, put a little bottle of

in the fridge. You may get to use later in the day tomorrow.

by JTContinental Early SinnerGy (TM) as Jannik breaks, then holds for 4-1

by Deuce Extraordinarily high quality stuff from both players thus far...

by ti-amie

JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:33 pm Early SinnerGy (TM) as Jannik breaks, then holds for 4-1

Oh I just tuned in so I missed that! Sinner is trying to force a TB atm.

by ti-amie Sinner got his TB but Carlitos won the set 7-6(4).

by skatingfan Good returning from Sinner in the first set, but not enough at the business end to get it done.

by ti-amie Saturday, April 01, 2023 Day 13

Stadium Starts At 12:30 Pm

F
Santiago Gonzalez/Edouard Roger-Vasselin VS Austin Krajicek/Nicolas Mahut
Not Before 3:00 P
(10) Elena Rybakina VS (15) Petra Kvitova

by ti-amie POINT!

by JTContinental Chase commercial question: does anyone actually want a coffee grinder that automatically orders beans for them?

by ti-amie

JTContinental wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 1:08 am Chase commercial question: does anyone actually want a coffee grinder that automatically orders beans for them?

by JTContinental Alcaraz tweaked his wrist and now has lost quite a bit of power on his backhand.

by JazzNU

JTContinental wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 1:30 am Alcaraz tweaked his wrist and now has lost quite a bit of power on his backhand.

And appears to be cramping now.

by skatingfan

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:28 pm And I hope so; I have said already. I like Carlitos, but I don't want a dictatorship in the ATP.
But Sinner hits every ball the same, and Carlitos does not. He will (most likely) win it.

Looks like Sinner is going to get it done - Alcaraz running out of gas.

by ti-amie

by ponchi101 These two really put on a show. Carlitos had a dip, but the quality in the 1st set was awesome.
Now, let's see Sinner do it on Sunday.

by Deuce

ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 2:35 am

It seemed - and seems - to me that Sinner said "I'm sorry", then Alcaraz said "Don't worry. Don't worry, man - I cheer for you."

That match reminded me of Superman meeting his Kryptonite.
Alcaraz's body seems to have let him down, which is surprising, given that he always looked as if he was immune to mere mortal problems like that.

In the women's doubles semi-final being played now, Linette and Pera are up 5-1 on Leylah and Townsend. It looks like the magic has worn off. But they've come back in previous matches - so I wouldn't count them out just yet.
Linette and Pera are unseeded - but they did beat the strong team of Dabrowski and Stefani in the 1st round, though...

by Deuce Well... Leylah and Taylor did it again - they came back from being down 0-5 in the 1st set to win the 2nd set 6-2, and then won the stupid match tiebreak thing 14-12.

All of their matches follow the same pattern: they play terribly for a set, they play excellently for a set (in either order), and they win it in a close match tiebreak.

They will play Pegula/Gauff in the Final on Sunday.

by nelslus

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:05 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:38 pm ....Concerning another matter, I kinda figured that the winner of Kvitova/Cirstea match is gonna be the sacrificial lamb to Rybakina tomorrow. Still, very well done. So nice to see Petra (albeit, however very, very temporarily) playing much more up to her abilities.
Not so fast.
Yes, if I had $100 and I must bet on somebody, I am picking Elena. But Elena is not playing GREAT tennis. Last night against Pegula she was all over the place (her shots). She even started talking to her coach and team, OUTLOUD, turning around and making STRAIGHT EYE CONTACT WITH THEM, which, for her, it is the sort of mental meltdown that in distant times would have had people dressed in white come to the court and put her in a straight jacket and lead her to a room to be doused with a cold water hose. FOR HER (other players would have been applauded for proper manners).
If she gives Petra 39 UE's, Petra has a chance. And notice that she (Elena) is roughly averaging 20 UE's per set against good players (69 UE's vs Badosa, in three sets).
So, at the very least, put a little bottle of in the fridge. You may get to use later in the day tomorrow.

LOL, first, I don't drink.

Look- of course, I'd love for Petra to win tomorrow. But, I just think Rybakina has too much of the killer instinct as of late. And- I'd be far more geeked if Petra could make a run like this at a Slam. (Not likely, sadly.) Still, It is just lovely to see Petra playing so well again.

by nelslus

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 2:41 am These two really put on a show. Carlitos had a dip, but the quality in the 1st set was awesome.
Now, let's see Sinner do it on Sunday.

Sinner won't.

by Owendonovan

nelslus wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:06 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 2:41 am These two really put on a show. Carlitos had a dip, but the quality in the 1st ser was awesome.
Now, let's see Sinner do it on Sunday.
Sinner won't.

Well, that does that. :ax

by ponchi101

nelslus wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:05 am ...

LOL, first, I don't drink.

Look- of course, I'd love for Petra to win tomorrow. But, I just think Rybakina has too much of the killer instinct as of late. And- I'd be far more geeked if Petra could make a run like this at a Slam. (Not likely, sadly.) Still, It is just lovely to see Petra playing so well again.

Ok, buy the very best

you can then.

For me, I like them both, but I am liking Elena a whole lot lately. But if Petra wins, I will be happy too.
And sure. Let's hope she can play like this at Wimby this year. Give herself a chance.

by ti-amie

by ti-amie Was there some sort of issue in the stands yesterday?

by ti-amie Sunday, April 02, 2023 Day 14

Stadium Starts At 1:00 Pm

F
(10) Jannik Sinner VS (4) Daniil Medvedev
Not Before 3:30 PM
Leylah Fernandez/Taylor Townsend VS (2) Coco Gauff/Jessica Pegula

by ti-amie Petra 7-6(14) first set.

by ti-amie

by ti-amie Petra Kvitova in straight sets over Elena Rybakina 7-6(14), 6-2.

by ponchi101 I said she had a chance. And she played a solid match.
I am officially back as a WTA fan. I did suffer this final (full time Elena's fan).
Congrats to the Petra fans

by ti-amie

by Fastbackss

ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 7:10 pm Was there some sort of issue in the stands yesterday?

I saw reference to something too but no elaboration... so...I don't know either

by Deuce Nicely done for Kvitova.
Surprisingly easy 2nd set - you've got to figure that Rybakina is somewhat tired, both physically and emotionally, after 3 1/2 rather full weeks of tennis.

The 1st set was rather wild... I figured if Kvitova won it, it was going 3 sets. But that didn't happen. In retrospect, I think the tiebreak took a lot out of Rybakina - she just didn't have enough gas left to climb the mountain of winning 2 sets in the heat after that.

But all credit to Kvitova for somehow pulling out that 1st set, and for withstanding the heat.

by JazzNU

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:57 pm I said she had a chance. And she played a solid match.
I am officially back as a WTA fan. I did suffer this final (full time Elena's fan).
Congrats to the Petra fans

You weren't before? You talk about women's tennis all the time.

by JazzNU So happy for Petra. She had such a great tournament and really stayed focused today, it was wonderful to see.

Rybakina shouldn't have been in this final, she was not displaying that exceptional tennis she was in IW. Pegula and especially Badosa, should've bounced her out. But in that stellar first set today with the amazing 22 minute tiebreak, she showed exactly why she was a very tough out for very good players. I am hopeful she continues to play this well, but I'm not expecting it. For a quiet girl who doesn't show a ton of emotion, she appears to love when the spotlight is shining brightest playing lights out at the tournaments with by far the most attention on them and meh at a whole heck of a lot of other places in the last year or two. Now, that obviously wasn't the case before, so maybe she's just trying to figure out a balance in this new phase of her career. But until she shows me differently, I'm thinking of her as a big match player. Consistency on the rest of the tour just doesn't appear to be her focus, which I'm not mad at, if these are your results in the biggest tournaments, you can afford to take that approach.

by ponchi101

JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:55 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:57 pm I said she had a chance. And she played a solid match.
I am officially back as a WTA fan. I did suffer this final (full time Elena's fan).
Congrats to the Petra fans
You weren't before? You talk about women's tennis all the time.

I do. I love to watch them play. And I enjoy WTA matches a lot.
But it has been ages since I SUFFERED during a match. That visceral feeling when the player your root for misses a shot. Or hits one first serve out and your feelings are "GET ONE IN!!!" (even after she has made a ton of them in).
The kind of feeling when you say "I am going to turn the TV off because she will lose

".
That kind of fan.
You know, Nelslus

by JTContinental Get it, Petra.

The doubles final looks fun--Jess/Coco vs Leylah/Taylor

by nelslus

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:47 pmI do. I love to watch them play. And I enjoy WTA matches a lot.
But it has been ages since I SUFFERED during a match. That visceral feeling when the player your root for misses a shot. Or hits one first serve out and your feelings are "GET ONE IN!!!" (even after she has made a ton of them in).
The kind of feeling when you say "I am going to turn the TV off because she will lose ".
That kind of fan.
You know, Nelslus

LOL, I took a nap during this freakin' match, and saved this to our DVR. Now, I get to watch this, look somehow even more lovely after my beauty sleep- and get great joy knowing how much agony this match provided for Ponchi.

(LOL, when I do watch one of my favorites' matches, I am exactly the same way, ponchi. I feel your pain.)

by nelslus

JTContinental wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:54 pm Get it, Petra.

The doubles final looks fun--Jess/Coco vs Leylah/Taylor

If Taylor's in any doubles match, I root for her. Either way, I DO wish Leylah and Taylor can find a way to play the whole match well- they've taken a set off with lousy play pretty much the whole tournament. I'll be watching for sure (great for either team to win), after John and I go birdie-ing until the annoying men's final is finished.

by Deuce Rybakina obviously deserved to be in the Final - because she got there via beating the players she needed to beat to get there.
Saying that she 'shouldn't have been in the Final' is rather absurd. But then, the person who wrote that is regularly quite critical of all things Rybakina - so that might - just might - have had something to do with that statement (and with the further criticism of Rybakina which naturally followed).

by Owendonovan Rybakina's washed up.

by ponchi101

Owendonovan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 2:58 am Rybakina's washed up.

by Suliso Happy to see Petra winning this one. Rybakina is an outstanding player, but kind of boring. To me anyway

by ashkor87 Not surprised Rybakina lost...I did sense she was tired and jaded, looking forward to just ending it.. I assume Kvitova played well .? I cannot see any matches here...

by meganfernandez Best player to never be ranked No. 1. Or, more charitably, the best No. 2 ever.

ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:58 pm

by meganfernandez

JTContinental wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 1:30 am Alcaraz tweaked his wrist and now has lost quite a bit of power on his backhand.

He dove to the court several times during the match. You admire the dedication and it's fun to watch, but it's also dumb - he could easily get hurt,

by meganfernandez

JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:21 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:08 pm Well, Medvedev does claim he is a hard court expert. And his numbers claim so too.
But on Sunday he has to bring it to Carlitos (I don't see Sinner beating him).
I'm feeling the SinnerGy (TM) of an upset

Nice!! I wish you better luck coining the term than I had with Kyrgiosity.

by meganfernandez

JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:33 pm Early SinnerGy (TM) as Jannik breaks, then holds for 4-1

Had an overhead for 15-40 on Carlos's serve for 5-1... I think it was a fairly easy one, not quite a gimme but he shouldn't have netted it,

by skatingfan

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:05 pm He dove to the court several times during the match. You admire the dedication and it's fun to watch, but it's also dumb - he could easily get hurt,

Ah, to be 19. I'm sure this is something Juan Carlos Ferrero will be discouraging.

by atlpam

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:05 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 1:30 am Alcaraz tweaked his wrist and now has lost quite a bit of power on his backhand.
He dove to the court several times during the match. You admire the dedication and it's fun to watch, but it's also dumb - he could easily get hurt,

I was thinking the same thing - I appreciate the all out effort to get to every ball, but long term, sometimes it makes sense to just say "too good".

by ponchi101

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:03 pm Best player to never be ranked No. 1. Or, more charitably, the best No. 2 ever.

...

Kept scratching my head, thinking of any other player that could be better. I thought Mandlikova.
Nope, her highest ranking was #3.
So I would say you are right. Best ever #2. And better than a few #1's

by ponchi101 Why couldn't they start this final at 1:30, so the shadows would not bother so much?

by JazzNU I want to be clear that it is not an appreciably hot day in Miami today. Nothing like it will be in another month or two thru about November or so. Not that hot and not that humid either. BUT...

FYI, the Miami Dolphins are massive assholes and specifically designed their stadium to BAKE the opposing team while playing them, while ensuring that their side gets fantastic shade. So the opposing team suffers in the heat and humidity, which in September and October of the NFL schedule, equals an uncommon competitive advantage. So it is not an exaggeration to say that Medvedev can be feeling more comfortable on one end of this court and Sinner be suffering on the other side, the angles of the stadium and how the sun hits are truly, that different. This is not the right stadium to say, well they both had to deal with the conditions. You should see the Dolphins just chilling on their sideline while the other team is suffering signs of heat stroke. It's been on display plenty of times, but probably none worse than a game they had against the Buffalo Bills this season when that entire team just went thru it because of the differences of the sidelines. Fun times.

And yes, they should've started this final at 2 PM.

by ponchi101 As a former Dolphins' fan... not MAAAAAAASSIVE assholes

. You can build a stadium to favor you, you do it. The Celtics have enjoyed decades of an "advantage" because their parquet is a bit weird. When they moved from the Boston Garden to the TD, they made a point to take the parquet with them.
But this entire Hard Rock Stadium is a bit messy. The shadows, the outer courts, the fact that this is not really a tennis stadium. My GF follows a girl in IG and she went to the tournament on Thursday. Nothing but trouble, she said (the IG girl).

(And yes. The NFL should have not allowed the Dolphins to do that set up. They should alternate sides with the visiting team).

by JazzNU

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 6:17 pm As a former Dolphins' fan... not MAAAAAAASSIVE assholes . You can build a stadium to favor you, you do it. The Celtics have enjoyed decades of an "advantage" because their parquet is a bit weird. When they moved from the Boston Garden to the TD, they made a point to take the parquet with them.
But this entire Hard Rock Stadium is a bit messy. The shadows, the outer courts, the fact that this is not really a tennis stadium. My GF follows a girl in IG and she went to the tournament on Thursday. Nothing but trouble, she said (the IG girl).

(And yes. The NFL should have not allowed the Dolphins to do that set up. They should alternate sides with the visiting team).

It's less about the competitive advantage and more about player safety. You can't pretend you care about player safety and then act like that version of a competitive advantage should be allowed. If it was like baseball parks being built to make home runs easier or harder, that would be different. There are a host of competitive advantages in other stadiums, they just aren't a physical detriment to the opposing team.

This is probably an ideal setup for a major tennis tournament in a general sense, using a facility that can operate as something other than a large tennis tournament year-round has got to be considerably more profitable than say Indian Wells. And Stephen Ross makes a mint on the events he hosts at the Hard Rock Stadium. But in terms of being great for the fans and maybe the players, likely not ideal.

by Deuce Despite Sinner's efforts, the final result was really never in doubt.
Sinner was apparently not feeling well physically - but I doubt that made a difference in the end result.

It would have been interesting to see Alcaraz vs. Medvedev, part 2 (assuming both were healthy)... to see if Medvedev would change anything after the sound beating he took at Indian Wells.

Onto the women's doubles Final now...

by ti-amie

Deuce wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 7:26 pm Despite Sinner's efforts, the final result was really never in doubt.
Sinner was apparently not feeling well physically - but I doubt that made a difference in the end result.

It would have been interesting to see Alcaraz vs. Medvedev, part 2 (assuming both were healthy)... to see if Medvedev would change anything after the sound beating he took at Indian Wells.

Onto the women's doubles Final now...

You wouldn't know that if you only read tennis "journalism".

by ti-amie

by ponchi101 It was not a bad match, it was not a great match. Some good strokes and points.
But Daniil has Jannick's number. Not definite (there was a time in which Sampras could not beat Chang and Nalbandian had Roger's number) but Jannick will have to figure this one out.

by mick1303

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:04 pm It was not a bad match, it was not a great match. Some good strokes and points.
But Daniil has Jannick's number. Not definite (there was a time in which Sampras could not beat Chang and Nalbandian had Roger's number) but Jannick will have to figure this one out.

The age disparity is too large to compare with Nalbandian/RF dynamics, IMO. Jannick is on the ascend, while Daniil maybe has couple of years max of his physical prime. Athletes like Djokovic are unique, for the rest of mortals the decline is inevitable. Also if Jannick plays more doubles, he'll improve his net skills, which is necessary to be successful against the style of Medvedev.

by Deuce Leylah and Taylor were true to form in the doubles Final, playing one good set and one bad set... and losing to the better team of Gauff/Pegula.
The 1st set was close - Leylah/Taylor had their chances - they were serving for the set before the tiebreak, but didn't get it done. Then they kind of gradually fell apart in the 2nd set.

Still, they had a good tournament - and had a good one at Indian Wells, too, losing a very close match to the top team of Krajcikova/Siniakova in California. To be considered true challengers over the long term, though, they'll have to be more consistent in their play.

by mick1303 Looking at Medvedev winning Miami after losing in IW final I thought that it was a rare occurrence, but my memory failed me. Turned out, it happened a lot actually. Most recently Federer done it in 2019. And the first was Agassi - twice in 1990 and 1995. Remarkably - on both occasions winning in Miami against the same player to whom he lost in IW.

by ti-amie

by JazzNU

by ponchi101 We have to retire the "Legend" lable. Yeah, Blake was a fine player, a complete gentleman on court, and a pleasure to watch. That forehand was stunning.
But he is not a legend. If Blake were such, we will simply not have any nouns or adjectives for Pete, Roger, Rafa and Nole.
Other than that, good win for Coco/Jessica.

by nelslus

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:28 pm And I hope so; I have said already. I like Carlitos, but I don't want a dictatorship in the ATP.
But Sinner hits every ball the same, and Carlitos does not. He will (most likely) win it.

....AND, now, If dull and "Reformed" (that new, adorable, bouncy image-consultant-approved commercial of his-

) Medvedev finds a way to dominate, we all know who to blame.... :ax

I mean, sure, Alcaraz certainly has been dominating the ATP tour this year- with his....two tournament wins....

by nelslus

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:59 pm We have to retire the "Legend" lable. Yeah, Blake was a fine player, a complete gentleman on court, and a pleasure to watch. That forehand was stunning.
But he is not a legend. If Blake were such, we will simply not have any nouns or adjectives for Pete, Roger, Rafa and Nole.
Other than that, good win for Coco/Jessica.

Madison Brengle is still a legend.

Other than that, I am in full agreement.

by ponchi101

nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 12:10 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:28 pm And I hope so; I have said already. I like Carlitos, but I don't want a dictatorship in the ATP.
But Sinner hits every ball the same, and Carlitos does not. He will (most likely) win it.
....AND, now, If dull and "Reformed" (that new, adorable, bouncy image-consultant-approved commercial of his- ) Medvedev finds a way to dominate, we all know who to blame....

I mean, sure, Alcaraz certainly has been dominating the ATP tour this year- with his....two tournament wins....

Actually, my jinx worked.
Had Carlitos won, he would have three tournaments (same as Daniil) BUT two of them would be MS1000's and he would be #1. With bragging rights for best 1st quarter of the year of all players (Novak would disagree).
So, give me some credit this time

by JazzNU

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:59 pm We have to retire the "Legend" lable. Yeah, Blake was a fine player, a complete gentleman on court, and a pleasure to watch. That forehand was stunning.
But he is not a legend. If Blake were such, we will simply not have any nouns or adjectives for Pete, Roger, Rafa and Nole.
Other than that, good win for Coco/Jessica.

I understand what you mean, but in this context, it is perfectly okay to do so. Should there be NYT's articles referencing James Blake as a legend? No. But this was said, not written and calling someone a legend is a common colloquialism in the US when praising them. It would be insulting for Jess to say "this is James Blake, he's fine."

Also, I'm not sure, but I think you might be missing the overall love that the American tennis players and audience have for James Blake. You're focusing very much on his skill as a player, but this is definitely talking about more than that, he has one of the very best reputations of any current or former player in US tennis on and off the court.

by ponchi101 I agree. I loved to watch him play. And, all reports, articles, information and opinions of the man say nothing other than him being a total gentleman.
But... legend.
You know me. I am not a fan of absolutes. This is very close to the conversation about the use of the word "literal" (no longer meaning "literal").

by JazzNU

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 5:12 pm I agree. I loved to watch him play. And, all reports, articles, information and opinions of the man say nothing other than him being a total gentleman.
But... legend.
You know me. I am not a fan of absolutes. This is very close to the conversation about the use of the word "literal" (no longer meaning "literal").

Yes, these are just common colloquialisms that you have to adjust to. I can't even begin to tell you the trivial things I've seen people do that get them referred to as legends. Referring to James Blake the man, not the player (which is how I took Jess' reference) as a legend, doesn't come close to cracking the top 100 on not the proper use of that title.

by Deuce I'd never seen Blake do anything questionable... until his recent marketing for an online gambling entity. I consider that to be quite cheap - and I say that about anyone who encourages and advertizes gambling.
I've also seen a significant number of people criticize Blake, Gretzky, and other well known current and former athletes who encourage, and do marketing for, gambling.

by Suliso I'm with majority here. Liked James Blake when he played, both as a player and off the court. A very pleasant chap from what I can tell without knowing him personally.

Calling him a legend is funny though. Simply saying that he was an outstanding player would suffice.

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